Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[RICARDO75]

OK. Had already noticed that there was something funny about this rule. But since I didn't knew the driver, all I did was copy as it was on you tube.

Thanks

[stefanvv]

Polish same as all Slavic languages have different noun endings for different cases.
It's not the same in all Slavic languages, at least not in Bulgarian, Russian, nor Serbian. There is similar rule in Hungarian, but I don't think it belongs to that group.

[Mirek]

Aha, thanks. I didn't know.

[WUff1]

According to rallye-magazin.de another delay in homologation of PSA R5 seems possible - Malcom Wilson and Skoda Motorsport would surely be happy about this:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/in ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/01/22/weitere-verzoegerung-beim-psa-r5/index.html)

[Andre Oliveira]

Testing...

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/news2014/14tetsy01oleksowicz_off-640.jpg

Btw, Maciej Rzeznik testing R5 too

[RS]

According to rallye-magazin.de another delay in homologation of PSA R5 seems possible - Malcom Wilson and Skoda Motorsport would surely be happy about this:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/in ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/01/22/weitere-verzoegerung-beim-psa-r5/index.html)

The article talks about problems with cooling, which would explain why the 208 and C5 have such a gaping hole in the front.

[Andre Oliveira]

Maciek Rzeznik testing chassis 13: 06R 0021

http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/fiesta-r5 ... cing,53223 (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/fiesta-r5-z-h-racing,53223)

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201401/69139-rzeznikbig.jpg

[stefanvv]

According to rallye-magazin.de another delay in homologation of PSA R5 seems possible - Malcom Wilson and Skoda Motorsport would surely be happy about this:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/in ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/01/22/weitere-verzoegerung-beim-psa-r5/index.html)

The article talks about problems with cooling, which would explain why the 208 and C5 have such a gaping hole in the front.
It's amazing how quickly M-Sport packed/assemled R5, while PSA has numerous problems with it - engine, cooling, who knows what else.

[RS]

It's amazing how quickly M-Sport packed/assemled R5, while PSA has numerous problems with it - engine, cooling, who knows what else.

Indeed, although I guess having worked with the Fiesta already gave them a head start.

They've done a good job, but I don't think we'll know how good until we see some cars from different manufacturers in competition. I don't believe PSA would homologate a bad car.

[stefanvv]

It's amazing how quickly M-Sport packed/assemled R5, while PSA has numerous problems with it - engine, cooling, who knows what else.

Indeed, although I guess having worked with the Fiesta already gave them a head start.

They've done a good job, but I don't think we'll know how good until we see some cars from different manufacturers in competition. I don't believe PSA would homologate a bad car.
Yeah, I also think PSA won't homologate bad car, they want to be a winner, though a predict heavy fight with Skoda :D M-Sport looked very quick to build their car with some various standard parts (some parts they use from AUDI, Porsche if I'm not mistaken), so I guess these parts take time to try and test for durability. I wonder is the same approach with PSA and Skoda :confused:

[RS]

It's nice promotion for Ford that M-Sport use VAG parts ;)

[br21]

there are no VAG named parts in Fiesta. There are for example some Bosch sensors that maybe are used also in some road cars from VAG, but nothing with vw, audi, etc names. Turbo hot side for example is from BMW M5, but it's made by Garrett and that name is written only.

[stefanvv]

there are no VAG named parts in Fiesta. There are for example some Bosch sensors that maybe are used also in some road cars from VAG, but nothing with vw, audi, etc names. Turbo hot side for example is from BMW M5, but it's made by Garrett and that name is written only.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, probably it was this one - http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=135772&start=760. I think Wilson also was talking about it somewhere, but I can hardly find this video.

PS: BTW I didn't mean parts are manufactured by VAG, but used in standard road cars, no need M-Sport to make them, so it's not so expensive

[Mirek]

There is large number of production parts because it is not allowed to use tailor-made ones (unless specified in the rules).

[br21]

there are many Bosch, Delphi, etc. sensors (teperature, pressure) that are used in many road cars, not only VAG group but also some Peugeots etc

[Tom206wrc]

Spanish driver Enrique Garcia Ojeda ordered a DS3 "R5" too ;)

[dimviii]

Gilbert testing ds3 r5
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1607093_730453476964992_2038573712_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Strange looking car

[br21]

huge cooling ducts, so maybe rumors about their problems with overheating engines were true

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Xavi Pons in DS3 R5 in spanish championship this season :confused:

[RS]

Spanish driver Enrique Garcia Ojeda ordered a DS3 "R5" too ;)

E(I)RC comeback?

[Rasantes]

Apparently Xavi Pons in DS3 R5 in spanish championship this season :confused:
Yes. Xevi Pons be in the Spain Rally Championship with a DS3 R5. It is the drive that you yourself say above you have bought Enrique García Ojeda. ;)

[manthey]

from this interview to italian peugeot italia boss Carlo Leoni at the point 5:20 he confirm that Andreucci will drive his 208t16 in the first italian championship race at Ciocco.the car will be homologated on 1st of march. the car is at the moment at painting step and on the first week of february they will go to peugeot sport to assemble the car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-0izwn3 ... 4-overview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-0izwn3qaw&list=UUCZSCyQ_sopgqH8lh1-1GmQ&feature=c4-overview)

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-1592-0-52261000-1390835925.png

[Tom206wrc]

from this interview to italian peugeot italia boss Carlo Leoni at the point 5:20 he confirm that Andreucci will drive his 208t16 in the first italian championship race at Ciocco.the car will be homologated on 1st of march. the car is at the moment at painting step and on the first week of february they will go to peugeot sport to assemble the car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-0izwn3 ... 4-overview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-0izwn3qaw&list=UUCZSCyQ_sopgqH8lh1-1GmQ&feature=c4-overview)

Doesn't he say also there would be a second 208 T16 in CIR for a Junior, or did I confuse with an R2 :confused:

[irish_tiger]

According to rallye-magazin.de another delay in homologation of PSA R5 seems possible - Malcom Wilson and Skoda Motorsport would surely be happy about this:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/in ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/01/22/weitere-verzoegerung-beim-psa-r5/index.html)

The article talks about problems with cooling, which would explain why the 208 and C5 have such a gaping hole in the front.

Is this car going to be available for Portugal ?

[noel157]

Is this car going to be available for Portugal ?

Would hope so, 8 weeks or so until Portugal and official homologation date is still March 1st, if not delayed so would think there is plenty of time to sort any cooling (or other issues out) but...........
Would like to see it on the CoI too, middle of April.

[liposh]

I have heard that tomorrow or on Thursday there will be january edition of Autosport paper magazine in Portugal released...so I would like to ask our portugese friends to post that Joao Barros design of car from that contest...I am very curious. It has to be something really special. ...Many thanks in advance ;)

[TheFlyingTuga]

It's tomorow! I'll publish the winner design, even if I hope that is the one from my friend that I saw!

[RS]

It's about time we saw some more footage of the Fabia R5..

[TheFlyingTuga]

I have heard that tomorrow or on Thursday there will be january edition of Autosport paper magazine in Portugal released...so I would like to ask our portugese friends to post that Joao Barros design of car from that contest...I am very curious. It has to be something really special. ...Many thanks in advance ;)

Here you go! The other two on the side are second and third!

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/1782543_10202594989533079_1769694715_o.jpg

[liposh]

Thank you very much my friend...It seems to me a little bit plain...like somebody "googled" design of Barros from last years, did some small changes and send it to contest. The second place is in my opinion better. And 3rd place is also better than winner. But it is my personal opinion. Maybe I just expected much more from such huge international contest. Maybe I am fool. Everybody knows I am dreamer and perfectionist. :)

[Andre Oliveira]

3rd Fiesta on Portugal arrives to P&B Racing (Portugal) 16th february here on Portugal, same team of Joao Barros. Only tarmac kit, car to rent.

[Andre Oliveira]

PY63 LWP to RMC (SP), chassis 41

[Excali]

Lars Stugemo bought one Ford Fiesta R5 Reg. LJ63 KLV

[Andre Oliveira]

Now with plate: EAD 190. Chassis?

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/34339/ ... geot-sport (http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/34339/cir-paolo-andreucci-racconta-la-peugeot-208-t16-dopo-i-test-con-peugeot-sport) ;)

[RS]

Allegedly a concept version of the new Fabia will be at Geneva next month, I wonder if it will even be the "R5 concept" that they will show so that they can get out there testing it with the new bodyshell?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/genev ... va-concept (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-show/skoda-preview-new-fabia-geneva-concept)

[liposh]

So finally MQB platform? Because I have heard few weeks ago that first car with MQB platform MUST be VW so Fabia would have older platform.

[Mirek]

I would take it easy. There are some incorrect information in the article such as the MQB platform which is not used in Fabia III...

[RS]

I find it hard to believe we would see two concepts at Geneva, as I thought the Octavia Coupe was supposed to be there. But we will see!

[mousti]

Many 207 S2000 for sale at Sainteloc Racing! To make some place for the new 208 R5!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... eam_ref=10 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=717873164912333&set=a.213817435317911.62291.213121952054126&type=1&stream_ref=10)

[Tom206wrc]

According to italian medias, Rudy Michelini chose a DS3 R5 for his 2014 CIR campaign :)

[Tom206wrc]

According to Ralis.Online, Miguel Campos and Armindo Araujo are back in portuguese championship both in Fiesta R5s !!! :)

[polo10]

According to Ralis.Online, Miguel Campos and Armindo Araujo are back in portuguese championship both in Fiesta R5s !!! :)
Where did you read that?

[RICARDO75]

According to Ralis.Online, Miguel Campos and Armindo Araujo are back in portuguese championship both in Fiesta R5s !!! :)
Where did you read that?

It's possible but not confirmed
http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php ... Itemid=131 (http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6460:quem-vai-disputar-o-nacional-de-ralis&catid=72:cpr&Itemid=131)

[polo10]

According to Ralis.Online, Miguel Campos and Armindo Araujo are back in portuguese championship both in Fiesta R5s !!! :)
Where did you read that?

It's possible but not confirmed
http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php ... Itemid=131 (http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6460:quem-vai-disputar-o-nacional-de-ralis&catid=72:cpr&Itemid=131)
Everything is possible , in what concernes to Campos there is a rumour ,about Armindo is only sheet from the guy of that site...i would be glad if that happens

[RICARDO75]

About Armindo, it's not a rumor. He is realy trying to get budget for this season.
R5 from an italian team

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Beppo Harrach has bought a Fiesta R5.

[EightGear]

Beppo Harrach has bought a Fiesta R5.

:)

[RS]

Beppo Harrach has bought a Fiesta R5.

Cool, what does he intend to do with it?

[WUff1]

It´s for his own team, for renting - he himself unfortunately lost his sponsors :(

http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/news/201 ... 85391.html (http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/news/2014/Diverses/Rallye-News-Gro%C3%9Fe-Pl%C3%A4ne-als-Teamchef---als-Pilot-derzeit-ohne-Hauptsponsor-185391.html)

[Adler]

my guess : Gerwald Grössing will use it in ÖRM.

[WRC1]

my guess : Gerwald Grössing will use it in ÖRM.

wrong...

[Andre Oliveira]

Rui Madeira tries one Fiesta R5 to Rally de Portugal.

[WUff1]

my guess : Gerwald Grössing will use it in ÖRM.

wrong...

My guess: renting it for ERC for somebody who can pay

[Tom206wrc]

Giandomenico Basso in CIR 2014 with a Ford Fiesta R5...GPL(engine working with gas) :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

By the way: italian team Delta Rally ordered a 208 T16, and the driver in ERC will be Bruno Magalhaes(official) !!! :)

[polo10]

By the way: italian team Delta Rally ordered a 208 T16, and the driver in ERC will be Bruno Magalhaes(official) !!! :)
Is that true??? In Portugal nobody notice that

[WUff1]

By the way: italian team Delta Rally ordered a 208 T16, and the driver in ERC will be Bruno Magalhaes(official) !!! :)

great!

Also Basso on R5 for CIR - but would have liked to see him in ERC instead!

[PLuto]

By the way: italian team Delta Rally ordered a 208 T16, and the driver in ERC will be Bruno Magalhaes(official) !!! :)
Is that true??? In Portugal nobody notice that

:rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

By the way: italian team Delta Rally ordered a 208 T16, and the driver in ERC will be Bruno Magalhaes(official) !!! :)
Is that true??? In Portugal nobody notice that

Official press release from Delta Rally on Rallylink forum(in italian) ;)

[PLuto]

It is quite surprise for me that it is published today. As I know, it was planned for next week. But why not...

[RS]

Good news about Magalhaes but I am sad to see Basso again "wasted" in CIR.

[Andre Oliveira]

Delta Rally nell’europeo con Bruno Magalhaes

Chiuso l’accordo tra Peugeot Total, Peugeot Portogallo, Eurosport e Pirelli per partecipare a 6 appuntamenti del campionato ERC con la squadra vice campione europea 2013. Immensa soddisfazione per la squadra italiana che va a meritarsi questo dopo i risultati ottenuti in Europa.

Il pilota portoghese comincerà la sua stagione con due giorni di test in strade bianche toscane per poi andare in Grecia all’Acropolis.

Inizierà il suo programma con la fida Peugeot 207 s 2000 dotata degli ultimi aggiornamenti motore e sospensioni per poi passare nella “sua” gara delle Azzorre con la nuova arma Peugeot 208 T16 prossima in arrivo all’atelier veneto. Già sicura la sua partecipazione a Ypres ,Estonia, Barum e Tour de Corse.

“Sono felice,dichiara Bruno, di ritornare a correre in Europa .Dopo lo stop della filiale Portoghese di Peugeot per due stagioni mi sono dovuto limitare a fare solo le gare in terra portoghese ottenendo anche una vittoria a Madeira. Però i miei obbiettivi erano di riuscire a tornare oltre i con fini nazionali. Ringraziando quindi Peugeot, Eurosport , Pirelli ma soprattutto la squadra Delta Rally nella persona di Cappato Riccardo che mi segue già da due stagioni. Mi voglio impegnare per loro ad ottenere il massimo dei risultati e trovare il budget per riuscire a partecipare almeno ad altri due appuntamenti ERC”

Bruno sarà affiancato dall’altro portacolori Peugeot Robert Consani ( pilota Renault 2013) che sta percorrendo già da due gare il suo apprendistato con le quattro ruote motrici della Peugeot 207 S2000 e dal nostro giovane pilota Giacomo Costenaro sempre su Peugeot 207 S 2000 presente anche lui in quattro manches Europee .


http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicat ... l-erc.html (http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicati-rally/4704-delta-rally-con-bruno-magalhaes-nell-erc.html)

[mousti]

First 2 208 R5's has been delivered to Team Saintéloc! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf5dSKMIEAA1ODl.jpg

[PLuto]

Delta Rally nell’europeo con Bruno Magalhaes

Chiuso l’accordo tra Peugeot Total, Peugeot Portogallo, Eurosport e Pirelli per partecipare a 6 appuntamenti del campionato ERC con la squadra vice campione europea 2013. Immensa soddisfazione per la squadra italiana che va a meritarsi questo dopo i risultati ottenuti in Europa.

Il pilota portoghese comincerà la sua stagione con due giorni di test in strade bianche toscane per poi andare in Grecia all’Acropolis.

Inizierà il suo programma con la fida Peugeot 207 s 2000 dotata degli ultimi aggiornamenti motore e sospensioni per poi passare nella “sua” gara delle Azzorre con la nuova arma Peugeot 208 T16 prossima in arrivo all’atelier veneto. Già sicura la sua partecipazione a Ypres ,Estonia, Barum e Tour de Corse.

“Sono felice,dichiara Bruno, di ritornare a correre in Europa .Dopo lo stop della filiale Portoghese di Peugeot per due stagioni mi sono dovuto limitare a fare solo le gare in terra portoghese ottenendo anche una vittoria a Madeira. Però i miei obbiettivi erano di riuscire a tornare oltre i con fini nazionali. Ringraziando quindi Peugeot, Eurosport , Pirelli ma soprattutto la squadra Delta Rally nella persona di Cappato Riccardo che mi segue già da due stagioni. Mi voglio impegnare per loro ad ottenere il massimo dei risultati e trovare il budget per riuscire a partecipare almeno ad altri due appuntamenti ERC”

Bruno sarà affiancato dall’altro portacolori Peugeot Robert Consani ( pilota Renault 2013) che sta percorrendo già da due gare il suo apprendistato con le quattro ruote motrici della Peugeot 207 S2000 e dal nostro giovane pilota Giacomo Costenaro sempre su Peugeot 207 S 2000 presente anche lui in quattro manches Europee .


http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicat ... l-erc.html (http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicati-rally/4704-delta-rally-con-bruno-magalhaes-nell-erc.html)

This press release is maybe official, but for sure is not 100% correct...

[RS]

First 2 208 R5's has been delivered to Team Saintéloc! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf5dSKMIEAA1ODl.jpg

I didn't realise they came in kit form!

[dimviii]

think you can buy as a kit or as a complete car(not only this car).As a kit helps to build it from your own,cause you know every bit and bolt on the car.Cheaper too.Due to the well known delay,maybe they could deliver much more cars at a kit form worldwide.

[Sulland]

Really starting to look forward to new R5 brands entering competition!

[HaCo]

Allegedly a concept version of the new Fabia will be at Geneva next month, I wonder if it will even be the "R5 concept" that they will show so that they can get out there testing it with the new bodyshell?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/genev ... va-concept (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-show/skoda-preview-new-fabia-geneva-concept)

Article disappeared (was too late to read it), and here the news is declined: http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/26746/gee ... -in-geneve (http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/26746/geen-concept-nieuwe-skoda-fabia-in-geneve)

[RS]

Allegedly a concept version of the new Fabia will be at Geneva next month, I wonder if it will even be the "R5 concept" that they will show so that they can get out there testing it with the new bodyshell?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/genev ... va-concept (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-show/skoda-preview-new-fabia-geneva-concept)

Article disappeared (was too late to read it), and here the news is declined: http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/26746/gee ... -in-geneve (http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/26746/geen-concept-nieuwe-skoda-fabia-in-geneve)

Yes, it seemed weird that it would be there as well as the "Vision C" Coupe.

Anyhow, if Skoda want to start testing the Fabia R5 with the new bodyshell soon then they will have to have it heavily disguised. Although maybe it is not so important to use the new body yet if the platform is not much different.

[A FONDO]

Delta Rally nell’europeo con Bruno Magalhaes

Chiuso l’accordo tra Peugeot Total, Peugeot Portogallo, Eurosport e Pirelli per partecipare a 6 appuntamenti del campionato ERC con la squadra vice campione europea 2013. Immensa soddisfazione per la squadra italiana che va a meritarsi questo dopo i risultati ottenuti in Europa.

Il pilota portoghese comincerà la sua stagione con due giorni di test in strade bianche toscane per poi andare in Grecia all’Acropolis.

Inizierà il suo programma con la fida Peugeot 207 s 2000 dotata degli ultimi aggiornamenti motore e sospensioni per poi passare nella “sua” gara delle Azzorre con la nuova arma Peugeot 208 T16 prossima in arrivo all’atelier veneto. Già sicura la sua partecipazione a Ypres ,Estonia, Barum e Tour de Corse.

“Sono felice,dichiara Bruno, di ritornare a correre in Europa .Dopo lo stop della filiale Portoghese di Peugeot per due stagioni mi sono dovuto limitare a fare solo le gare in terra portoghese ottenendo anche una vittoria a Madeira. Però i miei obbiettivi erano di riuscire a tornare oltre i con fini nazionali. Ringraziando quindi Peugeot, Eurosport , Pirelli ma soprattutto la squadra Delta Rally nella persona di Cappato Riccardo che mi segue già da due stagioni. Mi voglio impegnare per loro ad ottenere il massimo dei risultati e trovare il budget per riuscire a partecipare almeno ad altri due appuntamenti ERC”

Bruno sarà affiancato dall’altro portacolori Peugeot Robert Consani ( pilota Renault 2013) che sta percorrendo già da due gare il suo apprendistato con le quattro ruote motrici della Peugeot 207 S2000 e dal nostro giovane pilota Giacomo Costenaro sempre su Peugeot 207 S 2000 presente anche lui in quattro manches Europee .


http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicat ... l-erc.html (http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicati-rally/4704-delta-rally-con-bruno-magalhaes-nell-erc.html)

This press release is maybe official, but for sure is not 100% correct...
still it gives much more info than you

[PLuto]

Delta Rally nell’europeo con Bruno Magalhaes

Chiuso l’accordo tra Peugeot Total, Peugeot Portogallo, Eurosport e Pirelli per partecipare a 6 appuntamenti del campionato ERC con la squadra vice campione europea 2013. Immensa soddisfazione per la squadra italiana che va a meritarsi questo dopo i risultati ottenuti in Europa.

Il pilota portoghese comincerà la sua stagione con due giorni di test in strade bianche toscane per poi andare in Grecia all’Acropolis.

Inizierà il suo programma con la fida Peugeot 207 s 2000 dotata degli ultimi aggiornamenti motore e sospensioni per poi passare nella “sua” gara delle Azzorre con la nuova arma Peugeot 208 T16 prossima in arrivo all’atelier veneto. Già sicura la sua partecipazione a Ypres ,Estonia, Barum e Tour de Corse.

“Sono felice,dichiara Bruno, di ritornare a correre in Europa .Dopo lo stop della filiale Portoghese di Peugeot per due stagioni mi sono dovuto limitare a fare solo le gare in terra portoghese ottenendo anche una vittoria a Madeira. Però i miei obbiettivi erano di riuscire a tornare oltre i con fini nazionali. Ringraziando quindi Peugeot, Eurosport , Pirelli ma soprattutto la squadra Delta Rally nella persona di Cappato Riccardo che mi segue già da due stagioni. Mi voglio impegnare per loro ad ottenere il massimo dei risultati e trovare il budget per riuscire a partecipare almeno ad altri due appuntamenti ERC”

Bruno sarà affiancato dall’altro portacolori Peugeot Robert Consani ( pilota Renault 2013) che sta percorrendo già da due gare il suo apprendistato con le quattro ruote motrici della Peugeot 207 S2000 e dal nostro giovane pilota Giacomo Costenaro sempre su Peugeot 207 S 2000 presente anche lui in quattro manches Europee .


http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicat ... l-erc.html (http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/comunicati-rally/4704-delta-rally-con-bruno-magalhaes-nell-erc.html)

This press release is maybe official, but for sure is not 100% correct...
still it gives much more info than you

Only confirmed events of Bruno are Acropolis, Acores and Ypres. Other three events are not decided yet. Everything depends on money, like usual. Peugeot Portugal is not partner of the project. And this direct speech was not made by Bruno. Ok, I am telling less info, but my info is not bullshit ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Pluto are right. Only those 3 rallies are confirmed for now.

[Tom206wrc]

Luca Rossetti in one of the DS3s from Procar(rumour from Omniauto) :confused:

[RS]

Luca Rossetti in one of the DS3s from Procar(rumour from Omniauto) :confused:

Doing what?

[PLuto]

Luca Rossetti in one of the DS3s from Procar(rumour from Omniauto) :confused:

Doing what?

Pictures? :hmph: (original article here (http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/34556/luca-rossetti-potrebbe-tornare-nel-cir-con-una-citroen-ds3-r5-della-procar))

[Tom206wrc]

Luca Rossetti in one of the DS3s from Procar(rumour from Omniauto) :confused:

Doing what?

Italian championship(CIR) ;)


By the way, maybe Cédric Robert full season french tarmac championship in 208 T16 from Saintéloc :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

According to Omnicorse homologation of the 208 T16 shortened to this week(instead of 1st march) :confused:

[liposh]

Is it possible to move the homologation date? AFAIK The first few cars should be ready in the middle of February and wait 2 weeks for homologation, so I belive the cars are ready, but FIA is full of bureaucracy so I don´t think it is so easy to change the homologation date.

[mousti]

No there are only 4 dates to homologate it, I thought.

[Mirek]

Is it possible to move the homologation date? AFAIK The first few cars should be ready in the middle of February and wait 2 weeks for homologation, so I belive the cars are ready, but FIA is full of bureaucracy so I don´t think it is so easy to change the homologation date.

I think You don't understand what homologation mean. It's not a pre-event scrutineeering. It doesn't take one hour. It takes maybe more than one month to check everything. The process can be finished earlier (or even later - Fiesta S2000) but the date in papers will be one of those four.

[liposh]

...so it means homologation process could finish this weekend BUT in papers there will be written 1.3. and Peugeot can´t use that car until 1.3. , right?

[Mirek]

Yes. That's exactly what happened in Barum rally two years a go when Vizin with Polo S2000 was not allowed to start. The safety door foam and plastic windows were homologated right before Barum rally but for homologation date 1st September which was the date of second leg. FIA stewards didn't allow the car to start.

[makinen_fan]

Mirek, do you know if there is a good reason that FIA don't allow a car to be homologated at any point during the year and have only 4 specific dates during a year?

[Mirek]

I guess that it's for them to be able to plan their activities. If anyone could come at any date it would be a pain in the ass for FIA.

[mousti]

Symtech Racing, Facebook:

Availability of Citroen DS3 R5 and DS3 R3T for rent in WRC or ERC !!!
All-in formula with PWRC 2011 Champion team, Symtech Racing from Belgium

[Andre Oliveira]

Diego DOMINGUEZ

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/p720x720/1596931_810415555650548_1923020151_o.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=810415555650548&set=a.357254864299955.104077.354468447911930&type=1&theater)

[RS]

Plenty of people seem to be buying these R5 cars, but are they cheaper to rent than S2000/RRC cars too?

[Sulland]

Mirek, do you know if there is a good reason that FIA don't allow a car to be homologated at any point during the year and have only 4 specific dates during a year?

I think the homologation tests and paperwork verification can be arranged throughout the year, but the 4 dates where the cars are approved for use from, are set for the manufacturers to be able to plan the homologation process with FIA, to meet one of the dates.

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Alfonso di Benedetto will run CIR(italian championship) in a 208 T16 too :)

[RS]

Plenty of people seem to be buying these R5 cars, but are they cheaper to rent than S2000/RRC cars too?

Nobody knows? I hoped they might make championships such as ERC more accessible to people.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Plenty of people seem to be buying these R5 cars, but are they cheaper to rent than S2000/RRC cars too?

Nobody knows? I hoped they might make championships such as ERC more accessible to people.

Yes, R5 cars are like 150/160 €/km! The prices I saw for RRC for same manufacter was 250 €/km! Don't know about S2000

[Andre Oliveira]

2nd P&B Racing (Portugal) Fiesta R5 to Rui Madeira at Serras de Fafe and Rally de Portugal confirmed.

[Barreis]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112522

[Tom206wrc]

208 T16 and DS3 R5 passed the FIA scruteneering yesterday friday with success :)

First official outing of the 208 will be Rally Ciocco(CIR)in the hands of Paolo Andreucci at mid-march ;)

[RS]

208 T16 and DS3 R5 passed the FIA scruteneering yesterday friday with success :)

First official outing of the 208 will be Rally Ciocco(CIR)in the hands of Paolo Andreucci at mid-march ;)

Cool. I guess this also improves the chance of a start for Meeke on COI.

[Tom206wrc]

According to Marek Nawarecki(from Citroën Racing) more than 12 DS3 R5s would have been sold to date :confused:

[Sulland]

According to Marek Nawarecki(from Citroën Racing) more than 12 DS3 R5s would have been sold to date :confused:

Do anyone know how many 208s that are sold?

Will be interessting to see is there is one that is better than the other, if the longer wheelbase of the 208 will make a differnce.

[pantealex]

According to Marek Nawarecki(from Citroën Racing) more than 12 DS3 R5s would have been sold to date :confused:

Vauhdin Maailma (Finnish motorsport magazine) wrote that:
27 pre orders for DS3 R5 before start of februari

[Mirek]

Plenty of people seem to be buying these R5 cars, but are they cheaper to rent than S2000/RRC cars too?

I believe the running cost is similar with 2.0 NA S2000 cars (much smaller than for RRC). However in my opinion Fiestas R5 has been quite unreliable so far...

[Co-driven]

It looks like a Brazilian driver bought either a Peugeot or Citroen and will contest Paraguay's Championship. He tested both on January in France, but still haven't revealed which was his choice.

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport deliver the R5 with number of chassis on roof like this:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/7778_629126433792001_803710722_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1012048_629126447125333_1504221770_n.jpg

[vino_93]

It looks like a Brazilian driver bought either a Peugeot or Citroen and will contest Paraguay's Championship. He tested both on January in France, but still haven't revealed which was his choice.
Figueiredo ?

[Tom206wrc]

It looks like a Brazilian driver bought either a Peugeot or Citroen and will contest Paraguay's Championship. He tested both on January in France, but still haven't revealed which was his choice.


Daniel Oliveira ??? :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Harrach

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1794593_596505010425633_869401542_n.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 607&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.583967588340888.1073741833.580440398693607&type=3)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/q71/s720x720/1548021_583969275007386_669438429_o.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Fiesta R5 for David Bogie
http://davidbogie.co.uk/2014/02/bogie-places-order-fiesta-r5/

[Tom206wrc]

Good news for Alex Perico !!!! He will get his 208 T16 in time for Rally Ciocco according to the excellent italian forum of Rallylink(his car is just after the one of Paolo Andreucci) :bounce:

[Co-driven]

It looks like a Brazilian driver bought either a Peugeot or Citroen and will contest Paraguay's Championship. He tested both on January in France, but still haven't revealed which was his choice.


Daniel Oliveira ??? :D

No, his name is Ilo Diehl. Last year he contested Braziliain and South American Championship with a Lancer Evo X that he bought from Gustavo Saba. He's more od a gentleman driver, won't be able to fight against topmdriver such as Saba, Dominguez and Galanti.

He'll also contest the South American Championship and will be on Rally Argentina.

[WUff1]

Beppo Harrach´s Fiesta R5 more for renting than for driving it itself - he has unfortunately lost all his sponsors:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/oe ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/oem/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/02/18/harrach-ist-vom-fiesta-r5-begeistert/index.html)

Some few starts at local rallies are planned for testing the car, but no plans for Austrian championship.

[vino_93]

[quote="Co-driven":1b6d0dui]It looks like a Brazilian driver bought either a Peugeot or Citroen and will contest Paraguay's Championship. He tested both on January in France, but still haven't revealed which was his choice.


Daniel Oliveira ??? :D

No, his name is Ilo Diehl. Last year he contested Braziliain and South American Championship with a Lancer Evo X that he bought from Gustavo Saba. He's more od a gentleman driver, won't be able to fight against topmdriver such as Saba, Dominguez and Galanti.

He'll also contest the South American Championship and will be on Rally Argentina.[/quote:1b6d0dui]


I always ask me ... what is exactly his firstname / last name ?
Is it right here ? http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php ... dos-Santos (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=21755&t=Ilo-Diehl-dos-Santos)

[RICARDO75]

Yes it's right. Santos is his last name.

[dimviii]

Bouffier testing ds3 r5
https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/p526x296/1779874_10203019206663857_917032284_n.jpg

[RS]

Bouffier testing ds3 r5


For Citroen or for some private team that bought one?

Bryan is a man in demand this year!

[dimviii]

team is ''2c competition'' according to truck stickers.

[dimviii]

Lappi
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/p480x480/1622290_656718694385021_1114822786_o.jpg

[RS]

Like the "disguise" on the windscreen ;)

[RS]

Awaiting some more photos or video of the test of Lappi above....

[br21]

any photos from Peugeot 208 tests in South France from last week?

[dimviii]

nice compare photo between s2000-r5
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-4197-0-26228500-1393279284.jpg

[PLuto]

nice compare photo between s2000-r5

But still for nothing. It is only test car based on old S2000, R5 will be really different.

[Mirek]

It's not for nothing. The test car no matter which bodyshell it is based on shall share marked features with the real one. Otherwise the development would make little sense. Airflow in the engine compartment is crucial thing.

[Andre Oliveira]

Beaubelique's car: https://www.facebook.com/lsdeco.rodez/p ... permPage=1 (https://www.facebook.com/lsdeco.rodez/photos/pcb.582547281831119/582546875164493/?type=1&permPage=1)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/p180x540/1780282_582546875164493_2124165852_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/p180x540/1654821_582546848497829_631470144_o.jpg

[Sulland]

It's not for nothing. The test car no matter which bodyshell it is based on shall share marked features with the real one. Otherwise the development would make little sense. Airflow in the engine compartment is crucial thing.

Does the testmule have 4 similar corners ala R5 when it comes to suspension, or does it only have new engine/gearbox?

[Mirek]

Only the people from Škoda know but I would bet it has R5 suspension.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/p180x540/1001520_10152189373428808_1056323488_n.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhbIewyIUAAUy_f.jpg

[RS]

Cool to see the 208 liveried up and ready to go!

[manthey]

It's not for nothing. The test car no matter which bodyshell it is based on shall share marked features with the real one. Otherwise the development would make little sense. Airflow in the engine compartment is crucial thing.

Does the testmule have 4 similar corners ala R5 when it comes to suspension, or does it only have new engine/gearbox?

maybe I lost this change, what are the differences in r5's suspensione compared to s2000 ones?thanks

[Mirek]

In the S2000 all four dampers must be same but in R5 the rules go farther and all four suspension "corners" must be same - dampers, uprights, arms, brakes etc.

[Andre Oliveira]

Beaubelique's car: https://www.facebook.com/lsdeco.rodez/p ... permPage=1 (https://www.facebook.com/lsdeco.rodez/photos/pcb.582547281831119/582546875164493/?type=1&permPage=1)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/p180x540/1780282_582546875164493_2124165852_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/p180x540/1654821_582546848497829_631470144_o.jpg

Someone know the chassis? Need to know this, Harrach one and second of RMC :D

[Tom206wrc]

During the press conference in Italy yesterday evening Peugeot announced 20 208T16 sold + 10 pre-orders :)
Looks like the most part of them sold in Italy :D

[manthey]

In the S2000 all four dampers must be same but in R5 the rules go farther and all four suspension "corners" must be same - dampers, uprights, arms, brakes etc.

thanks!

Yesterday team boss Andreucci said that 208t16 is 20hp less powerful than s2000 but they are confident to counterbalance with torque

[br21]

In the S2000 all four dampers must be same but in R5 the rules go farther and all four suspension "corners" must be same - dampers, uprights, arms, brakes etc.

dampers are the same (only front/rear stroke is different, springs different), but struts are different left/right.
uprights are the same all 4 corners.
arms (TCAs, compression struts, tie rods) are different front/rear
brakes are almost the same - disc same, calipers different slightly left/right
also there are other small differences.
at least it looks like that in Fiesta.

[Mirek]

Thank you for practical experience. My information was only from discussion with FIA technician from last year.

[pantealex]

It's not for nothing. The test car no matter which bodyshell it is based on shall share marked features with the real one. Otherwise the development would make little sense. Airflow in the engine compartment is crucial thing.

Does the testmule have 4 similar corners ala R5 when it comes to suspension, or does it only have new engine/gearbox?

edited: nothing.

[Tom206wrc]

According to Rallye-Magazin today, german team ROMO ordered a 208 T16 ;)

[PLuto]

According to Rallye-Magazin today, german team ROMO ordered a 208 T16 ;)

Yes, they has ordered it. And it looks like they have also one signed driver for that car...

[tolis]

According to Rallye-Magazin today, german team ROMO ordered a 208 T16 ;)

Yes, they has ordered it. And it looks like they have also one signed driver for that car...
For which championship?

[PLuto]

According to Rallye-Magazin today, german team ROMO ordered a 208 T16 ;)

Yes, they has ordered it. And it looks like they have also one signed driver for that car...
For which championship?

national...

[HaCo]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/10001348_596028640476281_2060921357_n.jpg

Bernd Casier and Team Floral will run a Fiesta R5 in Belgian Championship 2015. This year is year of preparation with Wervik followed by Ypres. Looking forward to this entry!

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/p180x540/1890403_730153087029455_1871792143_o.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loving the new 208T16 - great look of the 1980's 205T16 with that livery.. :bounce:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhjU8p6CMAAoSCh.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/10001348_596028640476281_2060921357_n.jpg

Bernd Casier and Team Floral will run a Fiesta R5 in Belgian Championship 2015. This year is year of preparation with Wervik followed by Ypres. Looking forward to this entry!


Is Vyncke last year codriver of Kevin Abbring :confused:

[RS]

Yesterday team boss Andreucci said that 208t16 is 20hp less powerful than s2000 but they are confident to counterbalance with torque

Does that seem quite low to anyone else, given the bigger restrictor than a RRC car?

[EightGear]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/10001348_596028640476281_2060921357_n.jpg

Bernd Casier and Team Floral will run a Fiesta R5 in Belgian Championship 2015. This year is year of preparation with Wervik followed by Ypres. Looking forward to this entry!


Is Vyncke last year codriver of Kevin Abbring :confused:

Yes, except for Limousin, where he was codriven by Lara Vanneste.

[Mirek]

Yesterday team boss Andreucci said that 208t16 is 20hp less powerful than s2000 but they are confident to counterbalance with torque

Does that seem quite low to anyone else, given the bigger restrictor than a RRC car?

Yes, it seems to be low. If I have good information Fiesta R5 has circa 300 Hp so the information is either wrong or the engine is significantly weaker in peak power. Anyway I take the official numbers with a pinch of salt. Remember Škoda keeps saying that Fabia S2000 has 270 Hp which is just ridiculous.

[RS]

Yes, it seems to be low. If I have good information Fiesta R5 has circa 300 Hp so the information is either wrong or the engine is significantly weaker in peak power. Anyway I take the official numbers with a pinch of salt. Remember Škoda keeps saying that Fabia S2000 has 270 Hp which is just ridiculous.

Yes, it could be a red herring. It just seems like a strangely specific thing to say if there is not some truth in it.

Anyhow, it might not be too bad a thing if they have done that in trade for some driveability low down the rev range.

[br21]

Top S2000 engines had around 320hp, Fiesta R5 should have around 300hp, so it looks to be true in case of Peugeot.

[Mirek]

Top S2000 engines had around 320hp, Fiesta R5 should have around 300hp, so it looks to be true in case of Peugeot.

Seriously, not. Of course any result can be shown on dyno if You set it for that but I don't believe in real 320 Hp for a second.

By the way I know about one interesting case from here. It was with Punto S2000 engine. It was brand new delivered from FPT and measured in factory for 275 Hp. After delivery it was brought to one local engine tuner and put on dyno again. The result was 287 Hp. You can choose which number shall be trusted :)

[br21]

I saw few different S2000 engines with 315, 317, 318hp. Of course more power always was meaning less torque... Belive me or not, but last spec engines were really, really powerfull! Also don't forget evolution of fuels, etc.
Even now there are few R5 running on E85, so their figures should be higher also.

As for interesting fact - S2k engine without air filter had 3hp more than with filter:)

[manthey]

Top S2000 engines had around 320hp, Fiesta R5 should have around 300hp, so it looks to be true in case of Peugeot.
yes I knew that skoda last engine spec was 320hp.
Fabrizio Fabbri , racing lions team boss said 208t16 has 20hp less than 207s2000

[RS]

I am curious to know what torque figures the S2000 cars were putting out? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere.

The Fabias are/were remarkably "violent" out of very slow corners.

[stefanvv]

The Fabias are/were remarkably "violent" out of very slow corners.
Only if the driver keeps the revs anyway

[Mirek]

I saw few different S2000 engines with 315, 317, 318hp. Of course more power always was meaning less torque... Belive me or not, but last spec engines were really, really powerfull! Also don't forget evolution of fuels, etc.
Even now there are few R5 running on E85, so their figures should be higher also.

As for interesting fact - S2k engine without air filter had 3hp more than with filter:)

I still don't believe but I admit last time I spoke about the figures with engineers was some two years back.

On the other hand there may be some logic in it. I know that 2013 evolution of Fabia engine was some +8 Hp. If hypothetically they found 8 Hp every year and started on 280 Hp in 2009 they must be around 320 Hp by now.

[br21]

Fiesta had torque around 300Nm if I remember correct (in top engine evolution).
Fiesta started with around 280hp and during 4 years of evolution it gained over 30hp. There were some mapping evolutions, some engine updates, some exhaust updates, also during those years fuel evolutions gave also few bhp. Similar with Peugeot. With Fabia I've got no experience, but I think it should look similar - it should have gained some bhp during the years.

[RS]

Thanks br, 300nm is quite impressive without a turbo.

[dimviii]

Thanks br, 300nm is quite impressive without a turbo.

+1

are you sure br21 about the 300nm torque for an 2,0l normal aspirated engine?

[Mirek]

To me it sounds too much as well...

EDIT for 320 Hp @ 8000 rpm the torques is 281 Nm (at 8000!). So either 300 Nm and 320 Hp is true or both is exaggerated by circa same percentage.

[Tom206wrc]

Simone Campedelli in CIR 2014 with a Fiesta R5 :confused:

[Eli]

http://www.maxrally.com/2014/03/04/reve ... but-livery (http://www.maxrally.com/2014/03/04/revealed-peugeot-208-t16-in-debut-livery)
looks very nice to my opinion.

[RS]

Quite an intricate front bumper on the 208.. additional air intakes?

[manthey]

To me it sounds too much as well...

EDIT for 320 Hp @ 8000 rpm the torques is 281 Nm (at 8000!). So either 300 Nm and 320 Hp is true or both is exaggerated by circa same percentage.

maybe with maximun revs @8.500 regulation allowed?

[Mirek]

8500 is allowed, yes, but in my opinion there is no point in having the peak power exactly at rpm limiter.

[RICARDO75]

http://www.maxrally.com/2014/03/04/revealed-peugeot-208-t16-in-debut-livery
looks very nice to my opinion.

This is the show car with livery for Racing Lions. The last known version is diferent
http://www.maxrally.com/images/remote/http_assets.maxrally.com/uploads/images/peuge208-t16_1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mpbOsa16WKI/UtBKMWzEsjI/AAAAAAAAnb0/QuxlMjToZ1s/s1600/208-t16-17.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Have you more news about this Ukrainian driver :confused: name Dymitro Radzivil...
He would drive the Procar Citroën DS3 R5 in italian championship this season(according to a forum member of Rallylink)...

[manthey]

8500 is allowed, yes, but in my opinion there is no point in having the peak power exactly at rpm limiter.

I agree with you

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q73/s720x720/1913484_634311943272628_1418510724_o.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Marco Tempestini

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/p180x540/1978408_669525796438469_1083031993_o.jpg

[marcosg]

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=16124

does it say here that Mirek Jakes is going to drive a DS3 R5? Which champ?

Thnx ;)

[Mirek]

Yes, Jakeš will drive DS3 R5 in Czech International Championship. His car will be ready at the end of March but next MM?R event Rallye ?eský Krumlov will take place only in early may (as Rally Šumava was moved to late may from April because of joint ERC Historic Rallye Vltava). Jakeš was said to drive several Austrian events "close" to Wienna as well as his sponsor is active there.

The article says that Gekon Racing team of Tomáš Pletka is one of the very first to receive training how to build and maintain DS3 R5 and shall serve as a technical support for other teams.

Also Slovak Igor Drotár shall drive DS3 R5 and if nothing changed another Czech driver as well...

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Yes, Jakeš will drive DS3 R5 in Czech International Championship. His car will be ready at the end of March but next MM?R event Rallye ?eský Krumlov will take place only in early may (as Rally Šumava was moved to late may from April because of joint ERC Historic Rallye Vltava). Jakeš was said to drive several Austrian events "close" to Wienna as well as his sponsor is active there.

The article says that Gekon Racing team of Tomáš Pletka is one of the very first to receive training how to build and maintain DS3 R5 and shall serve as a technical support for other teams.

Also Slovak Igor Drotár shall drive DS3 R5 and if nothing changed another Czech driver as well...

Is Jakes interested in doing gravel events in Austria? Because the rallies that are situated next to Vienna of ORM are the Schneebergland and the Waldviertel Rallye.

[Mirek]

No, the team doesn't plan to purchase gravel suspension parts. I think they meant some smaller events. I don't know which those could be?

[WRC1]

Yes, Jakeš will drive DS3 R5 in Czech International Championship. His car will be ready at the end of March but next MM?R event Rallye ?eský Krumlov will take place only in early may (as Rally Šumava was moved to late may from April because of joint ERC Historic Rallye Vltava). Jakeš was said to drive several Austrian events "close" to Wienna as well as his sponsor is active there.

The article says that Gekon Racing team of Tomáš Pletka is one of the very first to receive training how to build and maintain DS3 R5 and shall serve as a technical support for other teams.

Also Slovak Igor Drotár shall drive DS3 R5 and if nothing changed another Czech driver as well...

Is Jakes interested in doing gravel events in Austria? Because the rallies that are situated next to Vienna of ORM are the Schneebergland and the Waldviertel Rallye.

as far as i know, the plan was to do Lavanttal, Weiz and Liezen Rallye....

[liposh]

I have heard that Drotar will drive DS3 WRC in Slovakian championship. So what version is true?

[Mirek]

I have heard that Drotar will drive DS3 WRC in Slovakian championship. So what version is true?

Aha, You might be right. I remember it was DS3 and automatically joined it with R5. It can be WRC of course, I don't know.

[sete]

Mirek: congratulations to your name day first
How many R5 cars are you excepting in Czech international champ. and sprint champ?

[Mirek]

In my opinion it is still too early.

[marcosg]

Yes, Jakeš will drive DS3 R5 in Czech International Championship. His car will be ready at the end of March but next MM?R event Rallye ?eský Krumlov will take place only in early may (as Rally Šumava was moved to late may from April because of joint ERC Historic Rallye Vltava). Jakeš was said to drive several Austrian events "close" to Wienna as well as his sponsor is active there.

I bet Jakes will fight for the championship... It includes Barum rally, right?

[PLuto]

Yes, primar target for Jakes this year is Czech championship and Barum is part of it.

[Tom206wrc]

Tomorrow friday Giandomenico Basso will present his Fiesta R5 working with gas for the CIR championship ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Andrea Nucita in 208 T16 in italian Championship CIR(except on first events in 207 S2000) :bounce:

[Ucci]

Tomorrow friday Giandomenico Basso will present his Fiesta R5 working with gas for the CIR championship ;)
Here it is :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SY4u5bF ... 1z89iXRqqw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SY4u5bFf04&list=UU1BY3pGU1Pe1S1z89iXRqqw)

Sounds similar to ''normal'' R5 Fiesta....

[RS]

I take it that gas propulsion is not allowed in ERC?

[PLuto]

I take it that gas propulsion is not allowed in ERC?

Gas is not allowed in most of championships. Only some national championships allow it (usually after big push from some local company).

[Mirek]

The problem is how to set the restrictor size for such car. It is heavier than petrol one, has worse weight balance and higher center of gravity plus has not enough power with same restrictor. Also refueling might be an issue with long sections etc.

[Ucci]

The problem is how to set the restrictor size for such car. It is heavier than petrol one, has worse weight balance and higher center of gravity plus has not enough power with same restrictor. Also refueling might be an issue with long sections etc.
I agree with Mirek. Nowebody didn't think over this issues, which Mirek mentioned. It will be interesting to see how will this problems be solved-of course if the team wants to be competetive.

[Mirek]

I don't think that nobody was thinking about them but I'm skeptical in putting one completely different car into series with already existing rules. The rules were tested all around the world and we know they work but now You have one car for which the rules are set how? Probably based on the diplomatic skills of the team...

[Tom206wrc]

What the story of Autosport(Portugal)again ???? :mad:
They talk about the rumour of an homologation of the DS3 R5 on 1st april now(so no Portugal with Chardonnet) !!!! :rolleyes:

[PLuto]

Yes...

[dimviii]

have we got a 208r5 thread?

Ucci testing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fh2GRGRrNc

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[Mirek]

Short video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fh2GRGRrNc

Dimitris, in my opinion one thread dedicated to all R5 cars is enough.

[dimviii]

nice looking car!
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q71/s720x720/1957864_10202549943463496_1539429405_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q85/s720x720/10014535_265177716976832_821889119_n.jpg

[RICARDO75]

What the story of Autosport(Portugal)again ???? :mad:
They talk about the rumour of an homologation of the DS3 R5 on 1st april now(so no Portugal with Chardonnet) !!!! :rolleyes:

I thought the approval date for new cars, could only be in January, March, July and September. How is it possible to happen on April?

[Mirek]

They can put 1st March in papers... Fiesta S2000 also has 1st January 2010 in its papers but in reality it was homologated only in Monte Carlo service park :)

[mousti]

Could be true, seems Symtech and Godrive for Verschueren would only get them delivered in May :(

[RICARDO75]

OK. Thanks Mirek and mousti.
Let's hope that happens as soon as possible. I can't wait to see the Citroën to compete.

By the way, test video of Beppo Harrach with the Fiesta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITSUlDKfSk0

[Tom206wrc]

Could be true, seems Symtech and Godrive for Verschueren would only get them delivered in May :(


I can't understand why a car sharing all components(or most of them)with the 208 already homologated can be so late :confused:

[Mirek]

Could be true, seems Symtech and Godrive for Verschueren would only get them delivered in May :(

Jakeš will probably have to cancel his start in Austrian Lavanttal rally too.

[RS]

A better video of Andreucci testing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWmL_lmgBw

Looks and sounds a lot better than the early tests as you would expect, but still seems a little "raw" to me in some respects. Gearchanges are quite slow, and throttle either seems to be on or off - that could just be the total lack of any sound when feathering the throttle though.

Generally I prefer it to the Fiesta in entertainment value :)

[dimviii]

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[Mirek]

The look is great (despite those strange holes in the front bumper), sound is nice but somewhat empty (missing more anti-lag or louder blow-off valve). The car certainly looks more powerful (torque-vise) and much better in suspension (rear axle) than when I saw it in Ypres. Still I can not help myself but I feel like something is missing there. I don't know what maybe it's just general feeling with the R5 cars (except the Škoda testing videos about which we don't know how much real R5 the car was).

[had_zachau]

Skoda testing

http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda ... 2.3.2014/# (http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda_Fabia_R5_-_Kopecky_12.3.2014/#)

[dimviii]

The look is great (despite those strange holes in the front bumper), sound is nice but somewhat empty (missing more anti-lag or louder blow-off valve). The car certainly looks more powerful (torque-vise) and much better in suspension (rear axle) than when I saw it in Ypres. Still I can not help myself but I feel like something is missing there. I don't know what maybe it's just general feeling with the R5 cars (except the Škoda testing videos about which we don't know how much real R5 the car was).

dont like it either so far.Too early though.

[RS]

Skoda testing

http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda ... 2.3.2014/# (http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda_Fabia_R5_-_Kopecky_12.3.2014/#)

The Skoda sounds great, better than this years F1 cars lol...

The only thing I would say is that it sounds a little lazy at the top end. I had the same impression from the Finland vidoes. Could just be gear ratios, and of course they have plenty of time to get it right.

[Mirek]

Skoda testing

http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda ... 2.3.2014/# (http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda_Fabia_R5_-_Kopecky_12.3.2014/#)

Hmm, that doesn't look and sound that impressive like the older videos. Maybe it's just the way it's filmed on a mobile phone or something similar but still.

In this moment if I as a spectator should choose S2000 or R5 I take S2000 any day...

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiKQbnUvA1M

[stefanvv]

What is the idea behind 5-speed gearbox for R5?

[RS]

What is the idea behind 5-speed gearbox for R5?

Good question. I can't think that it saves that much money and it just makes them slower and less spectacular.

[RS]

Skoda testing

http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda ... 2.3.2014/# (http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda_Fabia_R5_-_Kopecky_12.3.2014/#)

Hmm, that doesn't look and sound that impressive like the older videos. Maybe it's just the way it's filmed on a mobile phone or something similar but still.

In this moment if I as a spectator should choose S2000 or R5 I take S2000 any day...

Agree, although it sounds quite cool in this video:

http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda ... 12_004.jpg (http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda_Fabia_R5_-_Kopecky_12.3.2014/#WP_20140312_004.jpg)

It already sounds a little more refined in terms of gear change e.t.c. than the Peugeot..

Looking forward to seeing more videos.

[WRC1]

Skoda testing

http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda ... 2.3.2014/# (http://bandy3.rajce.idnes.cz/Test_Skoda_Fabia_R5_-_Kopecky_12.3.2014/#)

Hmm, that doesn't look and sound that impressive like the older videos. Maybe it's just the way it's filmed on a mobile phone or something similar but still.

In this moment if I as a spectator should choose S2000 or R5 I take S2000 any day...

+10 (!!!!) agree

[br21]

5speed box is a rule written in regulations... I think they make it to cut the costs (not much) and to differ R5 cars from WRC/RRC.
Top speed is similar like medium/long in S2000, 177kmh in Fiesta for example.

[stefanvv]

What is the idea behind 5-speed gearbox for R5?

Good question. I can't think that it saves that much money and it just makes them slower and less spectacular.
I imagine it's not that simple. Yes, it is more simple mechanics and less prone to defects, but I wonder in what degree it affects engnine mileage durability - with 5-speeds engnine spends less time in high revs (probably depends on the stages charecteristics anyway), the acceleration curve is not that agile, thus it is "gentle" to the engine and rebuild costs of it decrease significantly. Just my guesses :)

[dimviii]

5speed box is a rule written in regulations... I think they make it to cut the costs (not much) and to differ R5 cars from WRC/RRC.
Top speed is similar like medium/long in S2000, 177kmh in Fiesta for example.

only 177km/h for a turbo motor? why so short? how many rpm are they allowed for maximum?

[br21]

7500rpms max. as for now only one set of gears and one drop gear homologated.

[Mirek]

I imagine it's not that simple. Yes, it is more simple mechanics and less prone to defects, but I wonder in what degree it affects engnine mileage durability - with 5-speeds engnine spends less time in high revs (probably depends on the stages charecteristics anyway), the acceleration curve is not that agile, thus it is "gentle" to the engine and rebuild costs of it decrease significantly. Just my guesses :)

I tend to disagree partly. Bigger steps between gears are not so good for gearbox and transmission durability (hence why Citroën kept using 6-speed gearbox in C4 where it wasn't needed at all for the engine characteristics).

[Mirek]

7500rpms max. as for now only one set of gears and one drop gear homologated.

Can You compare running cost of Fiesta R5 and Fiesta S2000? For example engine rebuilds, how often and how much do they cost?

[stefanvv]

I tend to disagree partly. Bigger steps between gears are not so good for gearbox and transmission durability (hence why Citroën kept using 6-speed gearbox in C4 where it wasn't needed at all for the engine characteristics).
Didn't know that, thanks for the info

[br21]

hard to compare as R5 is quite new, and we still have some kms to engine rebuild. and what's written in manual about costs is different thing than reality. in general engine life mileage seems to be quite similar, cost of r5 engine rebuild is smaller, but you need to change turbo then, so... (MSport says turbo life is 1700kms which is hard to believe). Gearbox parts are a little bit cheaper in R5 comparing to S2k, but I already know you need to change them way more often, so... Similar situation with other parts - driveshafts, prop, etc. Those parts are cheaper in R5, but their quality is "cheaper" also... plus in S2k more parts were "rebuildable" while in R5 you need to buy new... Clutch is the same, brake parts similar price.

[Mirek]

Thank You, that is basically what I thought.

[Barreis]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112897

[Tom206wrc]

So DS3 R5 won't be late for Portugal WRC Rally then :)

[mousti]

So DS3 R5 won't be late for Portugal WRC Rally then :)
Chardonnet is not on the list if I have seen it right..

Sent from my HTC Desire X using Tapatalk 2

[PLuto]

Yes, DS3 R5 will not be in Portugal.

[Andre Oliveira]

[quote="Andre Oliveira":z7wrkvxw]Beaubelique's car: https://www.facebook.com/lsdeco.rodez/p ... permPage=1 (https://www.facebook.com/lsdeco.rodez/photos/pcb.582547281831119/582546875164493/?type=1&permPage=1)

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Someone know the chassis? Need to know this, Harrach one and second of RMC :D[/quote:z7wrkvxw]

DC-647-JP -> Chassis 44
Harrach PY63 LWV -> Chassis 46
RMC still to know

[RICARDO75]

Test Kopecký with Fabia R5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzlmlLjQQUk

[polo10]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YeiegbFdKA

Another

[dimviii]

this r5 in every video seems very impressive.Specially in terms of power.
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[Mirek]

Thank You both. It looks faster than 208 but it might be just my impression...

[RS]

I love the turbo whoosh under braking on the Fabia :)

If I were Peugeot I would be worried that the Skoda already looks/sounds more refined in terms of power train than the 208, 8 months ahead of homologation...

Nice to hear some proper turbo sounds after the boredom of the Fiesta.

[liposh]

The March 2015 is more possible as homologation date for Fabia R5. Raimund Baumschlager said after Janner :"Hopefully we will receive the Fabia R5 next April".

[PLuto]

To date, Peugeot Sport has received 22 firm orders for the 208 T16: eight in Italy, five in France, three in the Czech Republic, two in Germany and one in Brazil, Denmark, Latvia and Belgium.

[bluuford]

I hope they can deliver these cars sooner than later. M-Sport has pretty much filled the market and many entry lists of many events.. and all available Fiestas are sold in days (if you look advertisments). I hope to see even nicer WRC2 and ERC lists in near future.

[liposh]

Pluto, does 3 orders from CZ mean 3 different customers?

[tolis]

To date, Peugeot Sport has received 22 firm orders for the 208 T16: eight in Italy, five in France, three in the Czech Republic, two in Germany and one in Brazil, Denmark, Latvia and Belgium.

Italy: Paolo Andreucci
Czech Republic: Miroslav Jakes
Denmark: Christian Jensen
Brazil: Ilho dos Santos
Latvia: V. Gryazin
Belgium: Verschueren?

Anyone know the rest?

[Mirek]

DS3 R5 for Jakeš, not 208 ;)

[EightGear]

Same for Verschueren, DS3. :)

[Barreis]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112918

[PLuto]

It looks like homologation of Peugeot 208 T16 by FIA was refused. Andreucci will start in Ciocco with national homologation.

[dimviii]

It looks like homologation of Peugeot 208 T16 by FIA was refused. Andreucci will start in Ciocco with national homologation.
:eek:

[RS]

It looks like homologation of Peugeot 208 T16 by FIA was refused. Andreucci will start in Ciocco with national homologation.

Will it be ok for Acropolis?

[Mirek]

It looks like homologation of Peugeot 208 T16 by FIA was refused. Andreucci will start in Ciocco with national homologation.

That's big if true :crazy:

[RS]

Another video of the Fabia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pssM55rLYQc

Three days of testing this week - they are going to have a lot of miles on it by the time homologation comes around.

[Mirek]

Lhoty u Podšt?jna, stage of Rally Kostelec :)

Thanks, looking really good in this video. If I have good information the car has been tested very extensively, there are only no videos or photos from most of the tests...

[br21]

Any info what ECU, transmission, etc is used in 208T16? I know Ohlins dampers are there, Alcon brakes, maybe 3MO box/diff but that's not sure.

[Mirek]

Copied from Peugeot Sport customer information



KIT 208 T16 PRIX
208 T16 delivery in kit (Gravel or tarmac spec) 209 900 €*

Technical sheet **:
· Peugeot Sport bodyshell in accordance with R5 regulation
· Engine 1.6 turbo developed by Peugeot Sport ( 280 hp, 400Nm)
· 3MO 5 speed sequential gear box
· Hydraulic power steering
· Complete Magneti Marelli electronic system
· Öhlins suspension with specific 208 T16 set up, three way adjustable.
· Front and rear Alcon brakes
· Lightweight mirrors
· Roof vent
· Sliding side windows
· Trip computer TC 100
· Sparco carbon seats ADV-SCX(H)
· T16 data logger and software
· Driver / codriver foot-rest
· Light fire extinguishers
· French registration
· Bat flaps and underbody protections ( for gravel spec)
· Wheel brace
· Internal heater / demister kit
· Spare wheel fixing kit

The following options will be available :
· Car assembly by Peugeot Sport
· Conversion kit , gravel to tarmac and tarmac to gravel
· Jack
· Helmet bracket
· Spring kit, gravel and tarmac spec
· Complete underbody and gravel protection kit
· Set up kit
· Specific tools.
Note that we also offer a base model 208 T16 asphalt version in accordance with FIA
regulations, price of 180 000 €

[A FONDO]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YeiegbFdKA

Another
WOW what a maniac sound! it made my evening!

[Mirek]

Chardonnet DS3 R5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhFTU7i_kYo

[Tom206wrc]

It looks like homologation of Peugeot 208 T16 by FIA was refused. Andreucci will start in Ciocco with national homologation.


FIA :mad: