Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[makinen_fan]

What is that for us without access to facebook?

DS3 R5 test

[Mirek]

Aha, thank You. I'll watch it in the evening.

[Andre Oliveira]

Portuguese debut for Fiesta R5 like course car: João Barros

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2G4qW9lGmQ

[br21]

7 Fiesta R5 cars ordered to Poland. One should arrive in December, rest starting from January.

[WUff1]

7 Fiesta R5 cars ordered to Poland. One should arrive in December, rest starting from January.

Kajetanowicz?

[Gordini]

peugeot and citroen loss many sales for R5 now. will 208 be ready for approve in januari?

[br21]

7 Fiesta R5 cars ordered to Poland. One should arrive in December, rest starting from January.

Kajetanowicz?

His budget for 2014 is not sure yet, so still not sure what car he will use in 2014, but surely he would like to drive R5

[WUff1]

7 Fiesta R5 cars ordered to Poland. One should arrive in December, rest starting from January.

Kajetanowicz?

His budget for 2014 is not sure yet, so still not sure what car he will use in 2014, but surely he would like to drive R5

He would be one of the drivers who´d really deserve it I think.

[dimviii]

http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=35175

[Sulland]

English:
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 75&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autonews-magazine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D35175&act=url)

Expected, but too bad. They will loose business from this, from all teams that need their R5 for the season startup, that in many countries are before March/April.

[Mirek]

The most important thing is that ERC will have four events in first three months of the year...

[PLuto]

English:
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 75&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autonews-magazine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D35175&act=url)

Expected, but too bad. They will loose business from this, from all teams that need their R5 for the season startup, that in many countries are before March/April.

Situation is still the same, nothing changed. Date of homologation is not set yet, but should be for one car on 1st January...

[Mirek]

Few shots of Fabia R5 test on Barum rally stage Troják.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_gj8jkpTfw

[polo10]

Few shots of Fabia R5 test on Barum rally stage Troják.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_gj8jkpTfw
It seems a litle bit diferente than the previous vídeos, don t you think so?

[Mirek]

According to a guy who was there the video is from first few "recce" runs of Loix. They were testing on two parts of stage with Kopecký and Loix.

[PLuto]

BTW, they are testing few days in Zlin region...

[Mirek]

I'm too far away...

[PLuto]

I am not so far away, but in last days I was "running" around papers for Valais, so I had no time too, despite I planned to visit them...

[evoIX]

Super,very nice sound, when Fabia R5 will be approved?

[PLuto]

Super,very nice sound, when Fabia R5 will be approved?

Not before 2015

[Sulland]

Due to the lateness of the other brands, and M-Sports ability to turn around quickly, they will sell many cars in 14.

How many can they produce a month?

[kober]

Few shots of Fabia R5 test on Barum rally stage Troják.
What parts (other than the engine, obviously) of this car are actually R5-spec?

[liposh]

Due to the lateness of the other brands, and M-Sports ability to turn around quickly, they will sell many cars in 14

There were 45 pcs Fiat Grande Punto S2000 produced from 2007 to 2009 . Let´s say being first isn´t most important thing.

[liposh]

delete

[RS]

Another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ1KwCcEYMk

[polo10]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0A4YM1LHPU Another one

[makinen_fan]

Its ALS sounds more 'rough' than 208 and Fiesta R5, but I suppose there will be long before it is finally homologated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5QsHNqQY2M

[RS]

Nevermind "sounds more rough", you can't hear it at all on the other two.

But I don't understand what the point would be testing this engine if it was not compliant with the R5 rules, unless it is a test WRC/RRC engine tuned to simulate the characteristics of an R5 engine, but even that seems pointless when it is not running in the new chassis!

[Sulland]

Super,very nice sound, when Fabia R5 will be approved?

Not before 2015

Will the Fabia 3 debut in Paris in october?

[PLuto]

Super,very nice sound, when Fabia R5 will be approved?

Not before 2015

Will the Fabia 3 debut in Paris in october?

No, Fabia 3 will debut in 2014...

[polo10]

I think Fabia 3 Will debut in March in Geneve but Will only be in the market for sale in the last quadrimester

[Mirek]

What parts (other than the engine, obviously) of this car are actually R5-spec?

Only Škoda knows but it shall be all R5 except the bodyshell. Obviously the gearbox isn't 6-speed S2000 one, the gears are too long for that.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0A4YM1LHPU Another one

That's from the test which first came to public. Long time a go...


Its ALS sounds more 'rough' than 208 and Fiesta R5, but I suppose there will be long before it is finally homologated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5QsHNqQY2M

ALS is allowed in R5, it's only limited by not having air by-pass channel directly to the exhaust. If I understand right it's than more up to the driver how much he can handle.


I think Fabia 3 Will debut in March in Geneve but Will only be in the market for sale in the last quadrimester

I think You are right.

[Sulland]

Due to the lateness of the other brands, and M-Sports ability to turn around quickly, they will sell many cars in 14.

How many can they produce a month?

[polo10]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ulT-WId6fks. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjgrrr-n5pE. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxjOFYTAZQ. New ones i think

[WUff1]

Due to the lateness of the other brands, and M-Sports ability to turn around quickly, they will sell many cars in 14.

How many can they produce a month?


I don´t think so - drivers who want a Peugeot R5 or Citroen R5 will simply wait. Chances are great that they won´t miss too much, because many championships finally start in March, when both cars should be homologated.

Great loosers will be ERC winter cup rallies, at least the first two rallies (Jänner and Latvia).

[PLuto]

Great loosers will be ERC winter cup rallies, at least the first two rallies (Jänner and Latvia).

First three rallies...

[RS]

I really hope the Fabia doesn't lose the anti-lag sounds by the time it is homologated. So far it is by far the best sounding of the R5 cars.

[Mirek]

Peugeot officially informed customers that the homologation of 208 T16 is postponed to 1st March. I wonder what they will do with first two or even three ERC events...

[OldF]

Let’s hope that as many as possible who have ordered a R5 have a S2000 to use in the first rallies and for those who haven’t, Peugeot should give them one. ;)

I’ve understood that the R5 have better performance compared to a S2000 so the S2000 drivers would have a disadvantage during the first rallies.

[RS]

It really depends who is driving the R5s. In the end I don't think it will matter too much.

[Sulland]

Peugeot officially informed customers that the homologation of 208 T16 is postponed to 1st March. I wonder what they will do with first two or even three ERC events...


Maybe offer free S2000 drives?? :D

[EightGear]

Hans Weijs testing the DS3 R5 in Spain:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=463570190422648

[RS]

Hans Weijs testing the DS3 R5 in Spain:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=463570190422648

Sounding pretty good, just needs the anti-lag sounds from the Skoda :)

It's funny how different manufacturers have their "signature sound" even when running different engine regulations. Citroens always have a nice rasp to them, turbo Fords are always dreadfully boring, most Skoda rally cars have sounded pretty good.

[Hartusvuori]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYyQjZRIcAAuTpD.jpg:large

Skoda Motorsports is testing Fabia R5 in Finland for this week. Picture by @KariNuutinen.

[RS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYyQjZRIcAAuTpD.jpg:large

Skoda Motorsports is testing Fabia R5 in Finland for this week. Picture by @KariNuutinen.

Already?

Cool :)

I presume Mr Lappi is driving?

[pantealex]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYyQjZRIcAAuTpD.jpg:large

Skoda Motorsports is testing Fabia R5 in Finland for this week. Picture by @KariNuutinen.

I presume Mr Lappi is driving?

Kopecky was driving today

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYj7mWKVK6E#t=106

[RS]

Kopecky was driving today

Indeed, thanks :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSa-XtRVqyU

[Jack4688`]

I know it's unlikely but wouldn't it be great if Subaru commissioned an R5 version of this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=28840

[PLuto]

I know it's unlikely but wouldn't it be great if Subaru commissioned an R5 version of this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=28840

Subaru was building R5, but as far as I know, project is stopped now.

[Mirek]

This car is also too big for being a successful R5.

[Jack4688`]

This car is also too big for being a successful R5.

If I pretend you never said that it won't be true :D

[had_zachau]

Lappi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMMiu6vVkjY

[RS]

Lappi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMMiu6vVkjY

Nice and "violent" off the line...

I notice they are timing the tests. I thought it would just be endurance stuff at this stage. The programme must be quite advanced already.

Does anyone know if they have been taking a Fabia S2000 to the tests so that they can compare?

[had_zachau]

Just another video of Lappi, but in the darknes this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIaOL61k1g

[OldF]

Thanks for the videos.

Of course they also want to test how the car works in the dark. ;)

[kober]

Subaru was building R5, but as far as I know, project is stopped now.
On which car was the project based?

[RS]

Just another video of Lappi, but in the darknes this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIaOL61k1g

Cool, proper rally car sounds :)

Something doesn't add up to me, is homologation really not until 01.01.2015??

[Mirek]

Nice to see some Finnish jumping in the dark. It looks like something special :) Good that Fabia sounds like WRC car. It also looks really powerful in the videos but of course we don't know how much real R5 it is.

[RS]

Nice to see some Finnish jumping in the dark. It looks like something special :) Good that Fabia sounds like WRC car. It also looks really powerful in the videos but of course we don't know how much real R5 it is.

Well you for sure know more than me and most of us on here... but I can't see the point in doing testing with a car which does not comply with the rules?

Especially as they seem to be doing performance testing, so it can't just be testing the durability of the engine or gearbox can it?

Some more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFYoewDtU4

[Mirek]

I know nothing more than You about the recent testing. But I can imagine to run bigger restrictor for durability testing reasons. For suspension settings it doesn't matter what size of restrictor is there if it's always same. But as I said I have no information. I just see in the video a car which looks reasonably more powerful than Fiesta R5 even one year before planned homologation...

[dimviii]

also my impression is that has plenty of power.

[Mirek]

Lappi with Fabia R5 in the daylight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFYoewD ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFYoewDtU4&feature=youtu.be)

[Mirek]

And another nice video of Kopecký

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcBhP7w1ro0

[dimviii]

new bumper/bonnet for 208 r5
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/g ... g_9657.jpg (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/208-t16-novembre-2013/img_9657.jpg)

more news/photos
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-208-r5-t1 ... en-essais/ (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-208-r5-t16-encore-en-essais/)

[Juha_Koo]

I visited Skoda's test yesterday - here's my video from the fourth test day, crew Lappi/Ferm. :) Make sure you see the rather wild jump in the end...

---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPS32Nxdgo

[Mirek]

Kiitos! What is Your life impression? I noticed that the car jumps more balanced than the S2000 which always jumps nose-down.

[Juha_Koo]

Kiitos! What is Your life impression? I noticed that the car jumps more balanced than the S2000 which always jumps nose-down.

First at all, rather unique tests; quite cold, murky and dark... Total opposite to usual sunshine summer tests!

My impressions were positive. I noticed and wondered the same thing: jumps were much more balanced than with S2000 Fabia. Even to that extent that now the car had a tendency to land rear-first. The rear wing appeared to be S2000, so I believe it was due to something else than aero...

The engine felt really strong. I had an impression that it was faster than Fiesta R5, but I'm not 100% sure if this was because of the louder sound. Also the overall dynamics looked really good, nice balance during cornerning and going over crests. For me, the driving style which Lappi used was quite flamboyant in my opinion - but I don't know does the car require it or was it just him.

It took many runs to get used to the car - sound and body didn't match in my head. :D All in all, I'd say it's a really promising package!

[Mirek]

Thank You again

[RS]

Thanks for the comprehensive write up Juha; promising indeed given that it has another year of development yet!

From the videos we have seen so far it certainly looks more ready than the 208 which ran on Ypres.

[Mirek]

I am thinking about the jumping. The aero is same as it was said. Maybe there's an opposite engine rotation with the R5?

[RS]

I am thinking about the jumping. The aero is same as it was said. Maybe there's an opposite engine rotation with the R5?

Can you explain what you mean by that?

[OldF]

Craig Breen testing Peugeot 208 T16.

BILLIOT Jérémie ?@planetemarcus
#ERC Test Days @peugeotsport 208t16 R5 this week in France [VIDEO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkI4neC ... ata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkI4neCzuM4&feature=youtube_gdata_player) …

[RS]

Craig Breen testing Peugeot 208 T16.

BILLIOT Jérémie ?@planetemarcus
#ERC Test Days @peugeotsport 208t16 R5 this week in France [VIDEO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkI4neC ... ata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkI4neCzuM4&feature=youtube_gdata_player) …

Are we sure this is from this week? It doesn't look like November to me..

[dimviii]

you are right about weather,but bumper is the new one.

edit .sorry guys the ''new bumper and bonnet ''exists from Ypres,so not so new.

[Mirek]

Are we sure this is from this week? It doesn't look like November to me..

I think this video is from pre-Ypres test from June. Definitely not new.

[Mirek]

Can you explain what you mean by that?

Hopefully I don't write garbage below...

When there is some momentum (pushing throttle or braking) it turns things. When the wheels are flying there is no other opposing force to the engine/brakes than the inertia of the bodyshell (and transmission friction looses). A car has quite huge inertia so the body rotation is not so big like for example with motorcross bikes where playing with throttle or brakes in jumps is crucial.

Regarding engine rotation I believe it was Mitsubishi which turned the engine when coming from Evo III to Evo IV with the target to make it jumping better.

[RICARDO75]

Kris Meeke test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4XwFzrwKsY&feature=em-uploademail

[dimviii]

Are we sure this is from this week? It doesn't look like November to me..

I think this video is from pre-Ypres test from June. Definitely not new.

you are right,old tests 208 had a total logo on bonnet,new tests are without the total logo.

[HaCo]

Very nice video of the 208, awesome rally car! I miss Monte Carlo from when it was IRC.

Verzonden vanaf mijn ARCHOS 80G9 met behulp van Tapatalk

[Mirek]

Kris Meeke test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4XwFzrwKsY&feature=em-uploademail

Very nice :)

[RS]

Very nice video of the 208, awesome rally car! I miss Monte Carlo from when it was IRC.


So do I. For the last couple of years it has been "just another event" whereas in the IRC years it was really something special to look forward to.

The 208 is looking a lot better now than on Ypres. if Kris doesn't get the Citroen WRC seat hopefully they will put him in ERC with the 208 as compensation :)

[RS]

Can you explain what you mean by that?

Hopefully I don't write garbage below...

When there is some momentum (pushing throttle or braking) it turns things. When the wheels are flying there is no other opposing force to the engine/brakes than the inertia of the bodyshell (and transmission friction looses). A car has quite huge inertia so the body rotation is not so big like for example with motorcross bikes where playing with throttle or brakes in jumps is crucial.

Regarding engine rotation I believe it was Mitsubishi which turned the engine when coming from Evo III to Evo IV with the target to make it jumping better.

I still don't follow tbh :confused:

You mean they physically turned the engine, from transverse to longitudinally mounted?

[stefanvv]

I thought major role while jumping is played by aerodynamics (rear wing). Of course how driver approaches the jump is even more important, but doesn't it also aerodynamics related :confused: So when driver approaches on full throttle, the released down force "kicks" the car in front

[A FONDO]

I thought major role while jumping is played by aerodynamics (rear wing). Of course how driver approaches the jump is even more important, but doesn't it also aerodynamics related :confused: So when driver approaches on full throttle, the released down force "kicks" the car in front
before Finland one of the top drivers (forgot who) said you have to release the trottle just before the jump, otherwise you will end up like Novikov (with the yellow-black Citroen)

[stefanvv]

I thought major role while jumping is played by aerodynamics (rear wing). Of course how driver approaches the jump is even more important, but doesn't it also aerodynamics related :confused: So when driver approaches on full throttle, the released down force "kicks" the car in front
before Finland one of the top drivers (forgot who) said you have to release the trottle just before the jump, otherwise you will end up like Novikov (with the yellow-black Citroen)
That's right, and it was related to aerodynamics as far as I remember

[Mirek]

I thought major role while jumping is played by aerodynamics (rear wing). Of course how driver approaches the jump is even more important, but doesn't it also aerodynamics related :confused: So when driver approaches on full throttle, the released down force "kicks" the car in front

The aero package of Fabia S2000 and the test car is basically same. It can not make so huge change in behavior from nose diving to nose rising. It's impossible. For me the only explanation is engine rotating opposite.

[Jack4688`]

Can you explain what you mean by that?

Hopefully I don't write garbage below...

When there is some momentum (pushing throttle or braking) it turns things. When the wheels are flying there is no other opposing force to the engine/brakes than the inertia of the bodyshell (and transmission friction looses). A car has quite huge inertia so the body rotation is not so big like for example with motorcross bikes where playing with throttle or brakes in jumps is crucial.

Regarding engine rotation I believe it was Mitsubishi which turned the engine when coming from Evo III to Evo IV with the target to make it jumping better.

I still don't follow tbh :confused:

You mean they physically turned the engine, from transverse to longitudinally mounted?

No that would not be permitted in the rules or even physically possible without the length of the front over hang changing radically. I imagine Mirek is referring to a 180 deg rotation of the engine not a 90 deg rotation. Correct me if i'm wrong Mirek

[Mirek]

Yes, exactly, I meant 180° rotation. Possibly no rotation at all as the base engine is different one (2.0 FSI for S2000 and 1.8 TSI for R5). Maybe each of the stock engines rotates in different direction. I don't know.

[Jack4688`]

It might have a lot to do with the weight of the engine too. Difference in weight will of course alter the weight distribution...

[Mirek]

I don't think that that the turbo engine would be lighter than the atmospheric one (with all accessories). For significant change of balance there would have to be huge difference not just few kilos...

[noel157]

Are we sure this is from this week? It doesn't look like November to me..

I think this video is from pre-Ypres test from June. Definitely not new.

you are right,old tests 208 had a total logo on bonnet,new tests are without the total logo.

Not just the weather, Paul Nagle was co-driving too.

Anybody know who was co-driving on Meeke's test?

[br21]

some guys dyno tested Fiesta R5... thay said around 300hp and 400nm...
I can't say it's true, just what I heard from quite reliable source.

[dimviii]

some guys dyno tested Fiesta R5... thay said around 300hp and 400nm...
I can't say it's true, just what I heard from quite reliable source.

br21 i will be glad if you could ask about the low down torque.Also about the antilag system.

[br21]

I will have such car in my hands in mid December, so then will know much more. As for now I know there are 2 or 3 levels of anti-lag in Fiesta.

[dimviii]

ok! ;)

[PLuto]

It looks like we must change the name of this topic very soon. Actual R5 will live only one month...

More info here (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15863)

[makinen_fan]

Google translate is horrible here! I have already read this elsewhere a few days ago. FIA screwed up once again by messing around with whatever we start feeling comfortable with.
Also R4 is suppose to be cancelled from next year isn't it? Will they make R3->R2 or leave a gap there?

[Andre Oliveira]

Wtf???

[WRC1]

It looks like we must change the name of this topic very soon. Actual R5 will live only one month...

More info here (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15863)


FIA....Bullshit!

[leighton323]

It looks like we must change the name of this topic very soon. Actual R5 will live only one month...

More info here (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15863)

That has to be a joke right.. What purpose would changing the names around serve at all?

[Jack4688`]

confusing everybody...

[Sulland]

Apart for us in the congregation, this change makes perfect sense and follow the single seater logic. F1 is the quickest, F2 second quickest and so on. Even my wife knows this fact, and most other people on earth.

We will swap our brain in three weeks, the rest does not know what a R3 car is, so not to worry!

[Jack4688`]

You make a good point. I saw it as a pointless exercise - almost as if someone from FISA in the 80s wanted to change Group B to Group A, Group A to Group B and Group N to Group C etc. It almost doesn't matter - it's just a name.

But likening it to F1, F2, F3 shows it's a logical move I guess...

[leighton323]

Apart for us in the congregation, this change makes perfect sense and follow the single seater logic. F1 is the quickest, F2 second quickest and so on. Even my wife knows this fact, and most other people on earth.

We will swap our brain in three weeks, the rest does not know what a R3 car is, so not to worry!

But to partial fans of the sport or people who do not necessarily follow the rules and regulations that closely, wouldn't it just prove to be way more confusing. Think of it from the point of view of just being a casual rally fan who attends local events and watches only what they see on t.v but does not follow it online. I can see the sense but the benefits of changing the names around wouldn't be worth the confusion. The R-Class regulations were put in place in the first place to try and tidy up the classes and to solve this confusion around classes..

[Mirek]

It's a gigantic stupid joke from FIA.

Yes, it has a logic to name cars like F1-F2 BUT only if it is like that right from the start not after 6 years with hundreds of cars existing!

You can not rename all homologation forms, all sporting passes for every car around the world when it already exists. What will now come is an incredible mess in every possible point of view.

[TheFlyingTuga]

And not to mention that the 1-2-3(...) only was used for Formula racing. In normal cars converted to spec racers, there's always been from 1-pretty much normal to a higher number!

Gr.1 to Gr.5 (Gr.6 where sport prototypes)
N1 to N4, and A5 to A8

It's stupid! So... know my friends got a Ford Fiesta R1... and a Peugeot 208 R4!!! Classy hahahaha

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford Fiesta R5+ won an event by Matthew Wilson: http://www.rallying-images.com/s/cc_ima ... 1385845169 (http://www.rallying-images.com/s/cc_images/cache_2442056710.jpg?t=1385845169)

What car it is? An upgrade of normal R5?

Btw, classification: http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=135 ... tages-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=13587&t=Coppermines-Grizedale-Stages-2013)

[dimviii]

Ford Fiesta R5+ won an event by Matthew Wilson: http://www.rallying-images.com/s/cc_ima ... 1385845169 (http://www.rallying-images.com/s/cc_images/cache_2442056710.jpg?t=1385845169)

What car it is? An upgrade of normal R5?

Btw, classification: http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=135 ... tages-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=13587&t=Coppermines-Grizedale-Stages-2013)

?irek ;)

[mousti]

After the S2400 now this?? :p

[Jack4688`]

Maybe the R5+ is the R5 but with a better sound from the exhaust and better acceleration out of slow corners :D

Surely someone on this forum went to the Grizedale Stages and can tell us what they saw of this R5+?

[Jack4688`]

http://youtu.be/o0yGUSNYeE0?t=22s

Here it is, didn't notice until seeing the video but it has the WRC rear wing... Intriguing

[Mirek]

I have no idea what was going on but could it be something meant to be used under national regulations?

[AndyRAC]

I went, and took photos & videos.....he was down on the entry as a Fiesta R5.....but when he came into sight it was louder than a normal R5. Also, it had R5+ on the bonnet, and had a WRC rear wing. I asked on BRF, it has a bigger restrictor & exhaust.

I wonder is it only for National events, or it can run as a 'lesser' WRCar??

[dimviii]

this car at video seems way more powerfull from r5 fiestas we have see.

[Jack4688`]

What national events though? It would be an expensive way of doing the BTRDA series in Britain when you might as well use an old S2000 or the S2400 Fiesta. And of course interesting cars such as this are banned from BRC.

According to the Grizedale Stages website it is a "development model for 2014 (larger turbo)". Don't the R5 regs allow for a few developments throughout a car's lifespan? This may be, for want of a better term, 'Evo 1'. Although I'm at a loss to explain the WRC rear wing.

Or perhaps this is Malcolm Wilson showing what a WRC car based on the R5 regs would be like to try and convince the FIA...

[Andre Oliveira]

http://instagram.com/p/hWTPGUqXuj/#

http://distilleryimage3.ak.instagram.com/3e3e339e59eb11e3b5c712f7c4b3dcac_8.jpg

[stefanvv]

It seems to me the wheel arches are wider

[RS]

It's a 34mm restrictor

Or perhaps this is Malcolm Wilson showing what a WRC car based on the R5 regs would be like to try and convince the FIA...

I expect you could be on to something there, or maybe Matthew needs more power and a rear wing to help him win :)

It's a 34mm restrictor, what is normal R5?

[Jack4688`]

32mm. Isn't the WRC restrictor 33mm?

[Mirek]

Yes, WRC restrictor is 33 mm. It used to be 34 mm in the 2.0 liter era, also cars in gr. A8 have 34 mm.

[Jack4688`]

And RRCs have a 30mm restrictor right?

[Mirek]

Yes, but as a reference I suggest to use the diameter value only in case of engines built on same rules. I mean that You can compare power output by restrictor size when speaking about difference between RRC and WRC but not in comparison of R5 and RRC as the later is much more advanced design. The R5 engine is closer to R3T I guess.

[Jack4688`]

I was only making a general comment, what is the size of the R3T restrictor?

[Mirek]

29 mm

[mousti]

It has indeed 34 mm restrictor and a WRC Turbo ex manifold.

This car is for BTRDA events.

[Jack4688`]

:hmph: That's a disappointment

[Andre Oliveira]

Kopecky testing Fabia "R5" at France: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 5275_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1424325_10200988644981317_1147985275_n.jpg)

[RS]

Still surprised the Fabia R5 is already on a world tour!

Looking forward to seeing a video from France.

[Andre Oliveira]

Diogo Salvi (http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=23685&t=Diogo-Salvi)'s Fiesta being prepared.

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 7520_n.jpg (https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1456143_10152030483049911_1177787520_n.jpg)

[Allyc85]

It has indeed 34 mm restrictor and a WRC Turbo ex manifold.

This car is for BTRDA events.

Shame! Wonder how much of a difference to cost and rebuild intervals these modifications would make?

[Mirek]

Shall be from recent test on Sardinia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba1C1xbCYAE1LH8.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta R5

PY63 LWY -> Diogo Salvi (P)
PY63 LWD -> Adapta Team (N)

[Andre Oliveira]

Paolo Andreucci testing 208 R5 too :bounce:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMdTgIBU9kg

[Andre Oliveira]

Competetive debut of João Barros' Fiesta R5 with victory against Sergio Vallejo at CAM Rally Festival Sprint: http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=143 ... print-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=14340&t=CAM-Rally-Festival-Sprint-2013)

[Tom206wrc]

PA Racing and Alex Perico in a 208 T16 in CIR 2014(italian championship) ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Good, but i "want" Andreucci ;)

[PLuto]

Good, but i "want" Andreucci ;)

Andreucci will start with Peugeot Italy and Pirelli, it was confirmed.

[Andre Oliveira]

R5? :bounce:

[PLuto]

R5? :bounce:

Yes, for sure.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://twitter.com/ALavadinho/status/4 ... 29/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/ALavadinho/status/410182109706211329/photo/1)

Today at sardegna, unknown driver

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbFCdJ7CUAA5Za9.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Probably Sébastien Chardonet

[noel157]

Meeke was testing yesterday, not sure WRC or R5 or where but that was why driver announcement was brought forward.

[Tom206wrc]

Probably Sébastien Chardonet

On a french rally forum I've read it was Alexandre Bengué :confused:

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAnn0Ay1BVA

[Sulland]

What are the differences btw the 208 and DS3 R5s?
The engine will be the same, and I guess the suspension and brakes?
But what about physical measurements of chassis and so on, any differences there?

[br21]

M-Sport already finished assembling 35 Fiesta R5 cars.
Way over 50 cars ordered.

[liposh]

On 1st July there were 6 cars Fiesta R5 ready ,right? It means another 29 cars in 5,5 months. Even if Fiesta would be the worst of R5 cars it is great business success of Malcolm Wilson and Skoda and slower brands (Opel, ?Renault? etc.) will have a little problems because of that. I know some people would say strategy of Skoda is different to Malcolm´s, but I think Skoda puts into both projects a huge amount of money, all Skoda motorsport workers do their best but in my opinion the Skoda-motorsport publicity is bad in many small points.

[Mirek]

I think that You don't get how it works. It's not Your family car which You buy for many years. It's a competitive machine and once it's slow it's replaced. Look at Abarth. When Škoda came with the S2000 in 2009 Abarths were on the market for two years. There was plenty of them but they disappeared very quickly.

[makinen_fan]

Is it possible for M-Sport to homologate a new version of R5 in 1-2 years when (and if) the competition makes the Fiesta the slowest of them all? Are there any restrictions by FIA on evolutions for R5, similar to WRC cars?

[Mirek]

R5 homologation cycle is 3 years. Some modifications are possible under jokers but they are limited.

[Tom206wrc]

Procar Motorsport in Italy ordered two Citroën DS3 "R5" ;)

[er88]

R5 homologation cycle is 3 years. Some modifications are possible under jokers but they are limited.

So if that is the case Mirek, in my eyes Msport have business wise have played this perfectly? They get huge numbers of sales before 208,Ds3 and skoda are homologated. Id imagine in 2014 there won't be alot between ford, 208 and ds3. And if in 2015 the Ford falls behind the 208,Ds3 and skoda- they only have to wait till 2016 to homologate a more competitive model? Or is it not that simple?

[Mirek]

Yes, I think that in 2016 they can come with major upgrade for the R5.

[er88]

Ok thanks. Malcolm is shrewd. I doubt the ford will be the best r5 but i wouldn't be surprised if Msport made the most money out of sales

[mousti]

Seems Procar and Dmax Racing have ordered both ordered 2 DS3 R5.

[RS]

Remember though that M-Sport and Skoda have fundamentally different aims; Skoda Motorsport's is to promote the brand, M-Sport's is to make a profit.

I believe Fabia S2000 sales pretty much paid for Skoda's IRC/ERC programmes though?

For Skoda it was also difficult with the timing of the new road car - even if they had homologated an "old" Fabia R5 at the same time as the Fiesta this year, in one year it would be out of date anyway.

I'm confident that their long development period will pay dividends in the end, just as it did with the S2000 :)

[TheFlyingTuga]

By 2016/2017, probably the Fiesta will be replaced by a brand new Fiesta. I read sometime ago that a "life" of a model it's 6 to 8 years. Normally 4 years after first release the manufacture send a "facelift" for just another 2/3 years. So, my thoughts on this is that MSport sold a lot of cars for being the first one on the market, and when they really get competition, they could make a new improved one! Simply Clever :P

[Tom206wrc]

Seems Procar and Dmax Racing have ordered both ordered 2 DS3 R5.

I've also read that on Rallylink forum ;)

[stefanvv]

Simply Clever :P
Isn't that Skoda's moto?

[Mirek]

By 2016/2017, probably the Fiesta will be replaced by a brand new Fiesta. I read sometime ago that a "life" of a model it's 6 to 8 years. Normally 4 years after first release the manufacture send a "facelift" for just another 2/3 years. So, my thoughts on this is that MSport sold a lot of cars for being the first one on the market, and when they really get competition, they could make a new improved one! Simply Clever :P

You are right. New Fiesta shall come in +-2-3 years from now.

[Allar]

Was Fabia S2000 so much better then Fiesta S2000 then? I remember Karl Kruuda changing from Škoda to Ford just because it was better and faster. One particular thing he said was "Ford has more powerful engine"

[makinen_fan]

Also Fabia has a number of evolutions over the years, but not the Fiesta if I remember correctly (do I???). Then they introduced the RRC which is something different altogether

[PLuto]

Was Fabia S2000 so much better then Fiesta S2000 then? I remember Karl Kruuda changing from Škoda to Ford just because it was better and faster. One particular thing he said was "Ford has more powerful engine"

Was Ford better and faster or was better and faster for his driving style?

[RS]

Was Fabia S2000 so much better then Fiesta S2000 then? I remember Karl Kruuda changing from Škoda to Ford just because it was better and faster. One particular thing he said was "Ford has more powerful engine"

At the top end maybe?

It probably depends whose Fiesta and Fabia he was driving and what evolution it was.

I think the Fiesta S2000 was a good car, but very few people seemed to use it in IRC so it is quite hard to tell which is better.

Also the Fiesta S2000 was later than the Fabia so we have the opposite situation to now with the R5.

[Tom206wrc]

Fast spanish driver Miguel Fuster is aiming a Citroën DS3 "R5" for next year's spanish rally championship :D

[WUff1]

Maybe R5 for Aigner in summer 2014: http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/2013/Div ... 84233.html (http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/2013/Diverses/ERC-ORM-J%C3%A4nnerrallye-2014-Stohl-Racing-im-Winterstress-184233.html)

[TheFlyingTuga]

Any news on that Mitsubishi Space Star R5 show a few pages ago?

[Jack4688`]

I was gonna say I hope it has died a death but this image doesn't look too bad

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1240361_10151968760436834_1977682755_n.jpg

maybe that means I'm severely lacking in sleep, I don't know

[TheFlyingTuga]

That looks more close to a showcar than actually a test prototype! But anyhow, looks good! Keep us updated :)

[mousti]

Who will develop it? Mitsubishi themselves?

[PLuto]

Who will develop it? Mitsubishi themselves?

Swedish company Mparts.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Pluto, do you know if they got a Facebook/website were we can follow the project?

[PLuto]

Pluto, do you know if they got a Facebook/website were we can follow the project?

I dont have more info about the project. Maybe some of our swedish colleagues will have some details?

[RS]

Thinking back to Skoda's announcement, I don't believe for one moment that they will delay homologation until the middle of 2015. The test mule has already been running for months and looks pretty decent already.

01.01.2015 or 01.03.2015 at the latest I would imagine.

[Mirek]

I think that most of us learned that nothing stated in Škoda PR shall be taken seriously :) They always don't know, haven't started, haven't thought about... and suddenly all is ready :)

[RS]

Lol, yes. Like they "start work on the R5 next year" which has already been testing for months.

[mousti]

I saw some post of Sulland on another forum stating that the Mitsubishi will be homologated under national regulations? Not international.. Any update on that Sulland?

[Sulland]

I sent an email to a swedish site to check if they had some news, since I have not seen any news on it lately!
Will post if I get a reply, but I guess the swedes in here have more control than me!

[TheFlyingTuga]

planetmarcus posted a picture on twitter and facebook of a camouflaged Skoda. It says that the car is the R5, but I think the photo looks old and the car seems to me an early version of the Fabia WRC

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/statu ... 48/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/412640250666549248/photo/1)

[RS]

planetmarcus posted a picture on twitter and facebook of a camouflaged Skoda. It says that the car is the R5, but I think the photo looks old and the car seems to me an early version of the Fabia WRC

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/statu ... 48/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/412640250666549248/photo/1)

Yeah, that's not the R5.

[WUff1]

And this are old Skoda colors ;)

[Mirek]

I agree, it looks like a photo from 2003 or 2004, definitely not recent one :)

[dimviii]

also old michelin tread pattern.

[Andre Oliveira]

João Barros and autosport.pt lauched a contest, the winner design will be the 2014 season Ford Fiesta R5 deco: http://autosport.pt/crie-a-decoracao-do ... os=f116746 (http://autosport.pt/crie-a-decoracao-do-ford-fiesta-r5-de-joao-barros=f116746)

[mousti]

2 DS3 R5 ordered in Belgium, first one is for Godrive who will run it for Vincent Verschueren aiming for his first Belgian title!

Second one I guess it would be Caren Burton or MYRacing.

[PLuto]

2 DS3 R5 ordered in Belgium, first one is for Godrive who will run it for Vincent Verschueren aiming for his first Belgian title!

Against Freddy Loix he has no chance...

[mousti]

It will be difficult, but I'm a big fan of Verschueren and I know he will do everything to beat him, Vincent is quite talented :). And there will be more battle than last year that's what I'm sure :p

[Sulland]

So far 3 Fiesta RC2 in Norway.
Larsen, Adapta
Try
Frustøl

Lets se if there will be more?

http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10 ... g-frustol# (http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10-uncategorised/9303-norges-storste-rallysatsing-av-try-og-frustol#)

[pantealex]

So far 3 Fiesta RC2 in Norway.
Larsen, Adapta
Try
Frustøl

Lets se if there will be more?

http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10 ... g-frustol# (http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10-uncategorised/9303-norges-storste-rallysatsing-av-try-og-frustol#)

No S2000 NA or 1.6T in Norway (they are also RC2)

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, Fiesta RC2 doesn't exist. Exist Fiesta R5 on class RC2 :D

[Sulland]

So far 3 Fiesta RC2 in Norway.
Larsen, Adapta
Try
Frustøl

Lets se if there will be more?

http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10 ... g-frustol# (http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10-uncategorised/9303-norges-storste-rallysatsing-av-try-og-frustol#)

No S2000 NA or 1.6T in Norway (they are also RC2)

Do not know yet, lets wait and see! But it might be more R5s!

[TheFlyingTuga]

Yes, Fiesta RC2 doesn't exist. Exist Fiesta R5 on class RC2 :D

Don't let Malcom see this, or they make one in a gipsy :P

[skarderud]

With Honda, Renault and Opel R5's from 2016 it can really be interesting in wrc2, ERC and national championships. And still nothing official from toyota, mitsubishi or Subaru.

[Jack4688`]

I don't think Subaru have a suitable car these days i.e. something small enough. However if Honda can make an R5 car from the Civic maybe an Impreza or WRX rally car is possible... I hope so anyway.

Toyota have said they won't do an R5 which is understandable - I doubt they have the capacity at TMG to add anything to their WRC and LMP1 projects together with the customer rally cars in the R1 and R3 classes. But there's no reason a Toyota supported independent can't build one...

I hope if Mitsubishi were to make a new rally car it won't be based on that Colt - Mitsubishi rally cars should always be saloons! Hopefully they can use the Renault based budget saloon that's due in a couple of years.

[RICARDO75]

Test Fiesta R5 Bernardo Sousa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDl2uEmHuhU

[Sulland]

Honda will probably use the Jazz and not the Civic,
They are using the Jazz as eallycar in Australias G2 series.

[Jack4688`]

I read in Motorsport News and Autosport that it'll be the Civic. However any speculation I read from the crayons of David Evans I don't believe until I see it for real

[WRCKE]

2 DS3 R5 ordered in Belgium, first one is for Godrive who will run it for Vincent Verschueren aiming for his first Belgian title!

Second one I guess it would be Caren Burton or MYRacing.

second car for symtech racing

[Andre Oliveira]

Didier Arias (http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=570&t=Didier-Arias)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1506977_671752296180820_996980082_n.jpg

[vino_93]

Well, Paraguay championship looks more and more interesting. Interesting to see they follow FIA R5, whereas Argentina is full Maxi Rally now.

[Co-driven]

Well, Paraguay championship looks more and more interesting. Interesting to see they follow FIA R5, whereas Argentina is full Maxi Rally now.

Last week there was a news on Rallynoticias.com website saying that team Baratec are aiming to take one Maxi Rally car to Europe, probably Spain, to take part in rallies under RC2 class, as the Maxi Rally cars are homologated in this class now.

http://rallynoticias.com/nivel2.php?id_noticia=7770

[skarderud]

italian rumours tells fiat 500x r5 is under consideration. Anything in it?

[vino_93]

[quote="vino_93":3sd7bpcl]Well, Paraguay championship looks more and more interesting. Interesting to see they follow FIA R5, whereas Argentina is full Maxi Rally now.

Last week there was a news on Rallynoticias.com website saying that team Baratec are aiming to take one Maxi Rally car to Europe, probably Spain, to take part in rallies under RC2 class, as the Maxi Rally cars are homologated in this class now.

http://rallynoticias.com/nivel2.php?id_noticia=7770[/quote:3sd7bpcl]
For 2014 ?
That's strange as MR were homologated in class 3 in 2012, but banned in 2013 ...

[Andre Oliveira]

Printsport, should be chassis 36 or 37

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1506042_630150170377891_884577094_n.jpg

[skarderud]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9070_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1528719_10153645023405223_582059070_n.jpg)

frank tore larsen og thorstein eriksen (adapta) testing today.

[Andre Oliveira]

So, PY63 LWD turns KF 81165

[Sulland]

2014 Livery for Larsen/Eriksen

http://eriksencodriver.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/1525154_10152088490346163_1525428901_n.jpg?w=1752
http://eriksencodriver.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/1525154_10152088490346163_1525428901_n.jpg?w=1752

[Tom206wrc]

DG Sport from Belgium would have ordered a 208 T16 ;)
Pieter Tsjoen among the interested drivers...

[Andre Oliveira]

João Barros testing on gravel, Fafe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZxC8LRGx1I)

[Co-driven]

[quote="Co-driven":12lf2ibf][quote="vino_93":12lf2ibf]Well, Paraguay championship looks more and more interesting. Interesting to see they follow FIA R5, whereas Argentina is full Maxi Rally now.

Last week there was a news on Rallynoticias.com website saying that team Baratec are aiming to take one Maxi Rally car to Europe, probably Spain, to take part in rallies under RC2 class, as the Maxi Rally cars are homologated in this class now.

http://rallynoticias.com/nivel2.php?id_noticia=7770[/quote:12lf2ibf]
For 2014 ?
That's strange as MR were homologated in class 3 in 2012, but banned in 2013 ...[/quote:12lf2ibf]

I think that the VW Gol Maxi Rally is homologated and can take part in the Codasur Championship.

[HaCo]

italian rumours tells fiat 500x r5 is under consideration. Anything in it?

I heard that FIAT will replace Punto with a 500-looking punto-sized car. Let's hope your rumours are true and we'll see FIAT back. The FIAT Punto was an amazing car!

[vino_93]

[quote="vino_93":2tt2ykw9][quote="Co-driven":2tt2ykw9]

Last week there was a news on Rallynoticias.com website saying that team Baratec are aiming to take one Maxi Rally car to Europe, probably Spain, to take part in rallies under RC2 class, as the Maxi Rally cars are homologated in this class now.

http://rallynoticias.com/nivel2.php?id_noticia=7770
For 2014 ?
That's strange as MR were homologated in class 3 in 2012, but banned in 2013 ...[/quote:2tt2ykw9]

I think that the VW Gol Maxi Rally is homologated and can take part in the Codasur Championship.[/quote:2tt2ykw9]

so it seems FIA make one step back, one step forward ... by the way that's good that they have understood that their regulations are bullshit for local rally series which can't afford R5.
So now that Argentinan's Maxi Rally, Australian's G2 and Japanese's JN are allowed, it will attract more contenders in Codasur and APRC.
Now I hope New Zealand's Maxi Rally will be allowed in APRC the years coming too :)

[sindroms]

Latvian Martins Svilis has entered local rallysprint "Al?ksne 2013" (18.01) on Fiesta R5. Perhaps as a test event before ERC "Rally Liep?ja". No additional info where car comes from (very unlikely that he has purchased it), maybe rented from MM-Motorsport ..?

[Tom206wrc]

From Italy, Friulmotor(Claudio de Cecco)has ordered one 208 T16 ;)

[Sulland]

Try & Frustøl have received cars, gotten on livery and started testing!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s403x403/1549313_615477578505933_1723260169_n.jpg

[Micke_VOC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1frO8Yg ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1frO8YgvqU&feature=youtu.be)

Larsen/Eriksen: Ford Fiesta R5 - Winter Test 2014

[Andre Oliveira]

About 208 R5 and DS3 R5 on autosport.pt (http://translate.google.pt/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fautosport.pt%2Fpeugeot-208-t16-e-citroen-ds3-r5-atrasados%3Df117284&act=url):

"One of the riders who have tested the models and also had access to only R5 approved so far will have been complained about the performance of French cars in several areas, which sounded alarms in the structures responsible for their development. Meeting the deadlines will only be guaranteed at the beginning or middle of February."

[Co-driven]

About 208 R5 and DS3 R5 on autosport.pt (http://translate.google.pt/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fautosport.pt%2Fpeugeot-208-t16-e-citroen-ds3-r5-atrasados%3Df117284&act=url):

"One of the riders who have tested the models and also had access to only R5 approved so far will have been complained about the performance of French cars in several areas, which sounded alarms in the structures responsible for their development. Meeting the deadlines will only be guaranteed at the beginning or middle of February."

I don't know if it's correct, but I have already heard here in South America people saying that both the 208 and DS3 will be slower than the Fiesta. This come specially from Paraguay, where there's already two Fiesta R5, and some other S2000. I really didn't believe on this, but now that you said this, the rumour could be right.

[Juha_Koo]

Interesting, as I've been wondering why PSA would miss Monte Carlo with 208 T16 due to changed (?) later homologation day. Maybe it has some truth to it?

[RS]

The 208 looked very raw in Ypres, and we haven't seen much testing footage since really.

Didn't Peugeot pretty much confirm that they weren't quite happy with some things and hence delayed homologation?

[Mirek]

The 208 looked very raw in Ypres, and we haven't seen much testing footage since really.

Didn't Peugeot pretty much confirm that they weren't quite happy with some things and hence delayed homologation?

I believe the main concern was about the engine. Maybe it was a mistake to go for a long-stroke engine (they took the stock 1.6T EP6CDT) while others decided to base the engine on larger production unit and to shorten the stroke to get in the 1.6 litre displacement. That's the case of M-Sport and Škoda who by making that got to the bore/stroke ratio basically same as it is used in modern purpose built WRC 1.6T engines. Of course the R5 engine is different but I guess the general consequences apply and PSA might have done same mistake as Prodrive/Mini with that point. I'm no expert but I believe all others know well what they are doing when they change for short stroke units.

[vino_93]

I read in auto hebdo some weeks ago they both have a problem with suspension, that's why they postponned first homologation.

[Tom206wrc]

About 208 R5 and DS3 R5 on autosport.pt (http://translate.google.pt/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fautosport.pt%2Fpeugeot-208-t16-e-citroen-ds3-r5-atrasados%3Df117284&act=url):

"One of the riders who have tested the models and also had access to only R5 approved so far will have been complained about the performance of French cars in several areas, which sounded alarms in the structures responsible for their development. Meeting the deadlines will only be guaranteed at the beginning or middle of February."


Do they also write there are already 60 orders for both 208 and DS3 :confused:

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, 60.

Btw, we have a complete chassis info here (http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5).

Photos test Diogo Salvi and Adruzilo Lopes with ARC and João Barros here (http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6444:fotos-testes-salvi-e-barros-em-fafe&catid=72:cpr&Itemid=131) and here (http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6440:fotos-testes-barros-e-salvi-em-fafe&catid=86:eventos&Itemid=146).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Helpful 'spot-the-difference’ graphic to differentiate between @DovenbyHall's Fiesta R5 and RS WRC ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdxT0TOIMAA9sMc.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdxT0TOIMAA9sMc.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

"KIA" Fiesta R5 :crazy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdwOT3QCEAMxHcU.jpg

[Jack4688`]

:laugh:

[RS]

"KIA" Fiesta R5 :crazy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdwOT3QCEAMxHcU.jpg

Please explain!

[Andre Oliveira]

Didier Arias' Fiesta R5 with Kia sponsorship :D

[the sniper]

Unbelievable! I've seen it all now... :eek: :laugh:

[Andre Oliveira]

Isakssen were European Rallycross Champion with Ford Focus with Volvo sponsorship, so...

[Mirek]

I saw stuff like that several times in the past too. For example Subaru with Peugeot dealer sponsorship...

[mousti]

Steveny has done that in the past too and it was also Kia the dealership from Hannut that was his sponsor (or even his own dealership.. not sure anymore).

[Co-driven]

"KIA" Fiesta R5 :crazy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdwOT3QCEAMxHcU.jpg

Please explain!

It's Didier Arias car. I think he is the Kia importer in Paraguay.

He has always competed with Kia sponsorship, with Subaru and Mitsubishi.

[manthey]

[quote="Andre Oliveira":6t1unhgd]"KIA" Fiesta R5 :crazy:


Please explain!

It's Didier Arias car. I think he is the Kia importer in Paraguay.

He has always competed with Kia sponsorship, with Subaru and Mitsubishi.[/quote:6t1unhgd]

Garden Grupo
http://www.kia.com.py/empresa/index.php

Jeep also as sponsor with green sticker

[RS]

PSA might have done same mistake as Prodrive/Mini with that point.

Indeed might it even be based on the same engine as I believe PSA and BMW share engines?

So, have Peugeot gone back to square one and started with a new engine to cure this problem?

[Mirek]

PSA might have done same mistake as Prodrive/Mini with that point.

Indeed might it even be based on the same engine as I believe PSA and BMW share engines?

So, have Peugeot gone back to square one and started with a new engine to cure this problem?

don't get me wrong. I don't know if that is a problem. I just find it as a clear difference in the approach compared to competitors.

You are right that the basis of engine for Mini WRC and 208 R5 is same. I only think it's different version as meanwhile Peugeot introduced new top variant of stock unit which might be more suitable for use in R5.

[br21]

PSA have also some problems with gearbox quality, etc.

[ChristianArp]

I have a question with regards to the 208.

My understanding of the homologation procedures was that a homologation can only be done once a quarter of a year - so basically 1/1, 1/4, 1/7 or 1/10.
From that logic, the 208 will be allowed no earlier than 1/4 this year. However, Peugeot Sport have already announced Breen and Abbring in 208's at Acropolis for its competition début. Granted, the rally is March 28th-30th, but surely you cannot bend rules due to a quirk in the calendar year?

I am asking because several rallies start on either March 28th or 29th, so I guess if Peugeot Sport are allowed in Acropolis then privateers would be allowed to drive 208s (if delivered of course) on these other rallies?

[Mirek]

It's not exactly every quarter of a year. Those dates are fixed to 1/1, 1/3, 1/7 and 1/9 I think.

[ChristianArp]

Thanks, I did think it was fairly aggressive to have a press release, if it was a bit of a so-so situation with regards to homologation dates.

Would have made a juicy story for the gossip mill though. :lips:

[Gordini]

Anybody that know any details on dimensional differences on 208 and ds3?
Axlewith and length
Other diffenences.

Have anybody tested both and written about it? Is the Ds3 smaller and more nervous?
Does cars suit different drivers, or will be the same what you choose for most gravel and most tarmac use?

[RS]

Anybody that know any details on dimensional differences on 208 and ds3?
Axlewith and length
Other diffenences.

Have anybody tested both and written about it? Is the Ds3 smaller and more nervous?
Does cars suit different drivers, or will be the same what you choose for most gravel and most tarmac use?

I guess axle width is irrelevant as they will conform to the same regulations, but the 208 has a longer wheelbase than the DS3.

Mirek will give you a proper answer no doubt but I would think the difference will be minimal given that they will run the same engine, transmission and suspension(?).

[Andre Oliveira]

Oleksowicz test: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 186&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.616553321715157.1073741839.107863082584186&type=3)

[Sulland]

I really look forward to March/April when the PSA siblings will enter the class!

[PLuto]

I really look forward to March/April when the PSA siblings will enter the class!

And we must hope that PSA cars will be fast. On the other hand Skoda will kill all their rivals again next year :cheese:

[RICARDO75]

Oleksowicz test: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 186&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.616553321715157.1073741839.107863082584186&type=3)

... and video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTrUzSp02_4&feature=em-uploademail

[RICARDO75]

Another video from Oleksowicz test and Hubert Ptaszka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxL6Xz6QnHI&feature=em-uploademail

[Mirek]

The guy's name is Ptaszek. I don't know how to correctly describe that in English but Polish same as all Slavic languages have different noun endings for different cases. Here it's something like: name Ptaszek - but "of Ptaszka".