Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[WUff1]

Homologation of DS3 R5 will be postponed at least till 1st of April.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/in ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/03/13/peugeot-vor-debuet-citroen-erneut-verzoegert/index.html)

[br21]

Thanx Mirek, I wasn't able to find it.

[Mirek]

Judging by first five stages of Ciocco the impression was right and the 208 R5 seems to be a bit slow (at least for the moment). I know it's hard to compare with Basso's CNG car but Andreucci is reasonably slower than Nucita and Scandola with normal S2000 cars.

http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p ... stazione=6 (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2014&p_Codice=316&p_Manifestazione=6)

[br21]

At the moment when 208 starts officialy for first time, MSport finished building 50th Fiesta. They really gained a lot, lot of data during that year with many cars running in different conditions and improved the car a lot in recent months. 208 for sure will be competitive sooner than later, but clearly they need improving. They even recently made a lot of development tests, mainly in south France, but they have no comparision with competition.

[RS]

It looks like homologation of Peugeot 208 T16 by FIA was refused. Andreucci will start in Ciocco with national homologation.


FIA :mad:

Not FIAs fault if Peugeot didn't present a compliant car.

[Co-driven]

To date, Peugeot Sport has received 22 firm orders for the 208 T16: eight in Italy, five in France, three in the Czech Republic, two in Germany and one in Brazil, Denmark, Latvia and Belgium.

Italy: Paolo Andreucci
Czech Republic: Miroslav Jakes
Denmark: Christian Jensen
Brazil: Ilho dos Santos
Latvia: V. Gryazin
Belgium: Verschueren?

Anyone know the rest?

Brazilian driver Ilo Diehl dos Santos bought the 208 but he will compete only in Paraguay and the Codasur Championship.

[mousti]

Belgium is DG Sport.. Verscheuren his team GoDrive has ordered a DS3.

[RS]

Andreucci was better on day two in Ciocco, or maybe it was just because the other guys were cruising. Even so, wasn't Basso expected to be slower than normal because he was running gas?

[PLuto]

Even so, wasn't Basso expected to be slower than normal because he was running gas?

We dont know the rules under which Basso started. CNG car must have some changes, we dont know how big was restrictor etc. So it is not so much comparatable...

[Mirek]

Andreucci, leg 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaW ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaWR5k&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZ ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZV5A&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)

[Andre Oliveira]

Basso's Fiesta have or not more weight because the CNG?

[Mirek]

Definitely it must have more weight and worse balance due to the pressure tank. On the other hand none of us know which restrictor size he has. Sure bigger than petrol one. It's only a question how much bigger.

[dimviii]

Definitely it must have more weight and worse balance due to the pressure tank. On the other hand none of us know which restrictor size he has. Sure bigger than petrol one. It's only a question how much bigger.

Mirek even if we know the restrictor size ie 35mm this cant tell us how powerfull it is to campare with normal r5 cars.We dont know if gas has the same output like petrol at these direct injection engines.
Also we have to think that Bassos gas fiesta was just the first rally.For sure will be evolution at this side too.

[Ucci]

Andreucci, leg 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaW ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaWR5k&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZ ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZV5A&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)

Looser.....

[Mirek]

Mirek even if we know the restrictor size ie 35mm this cant tell us how powerfull it is to campare with normal r5 cars.We dont know if gas has the same output like petrol at these direct injection engines.
Also we have to think that Bassos gas fiesta was just the first rally.For sure will be evolution at this side too.

You are definitely right. If I remember right the ex-Stohl CNG Lancer which was used by Enge in our rallysprints had 36 mm restrictor and still lacked torque compared to 33 mm petrol ones. But as You said with DI it sure works different way.

[RS]

Andreucci, leg 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaW ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaWR5k&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZ ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZV5A&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)

Looser.....

Strong words from a guy with your username.

[Mirek]

Ucci day 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UJO79YZjqU

[stefanvv]

I think this is not bad result for T16. At least it appears as strong car, as I remember right the Fiesta at the beginning suffered lot of mechanical problems.
Any news why FIA denied homologation? Water pump again?

[manthey]

nice videos from first italian stage @Ciocco with various cars..basso r5 cng vs 208 t16 vs skoda s2000 vs 207s2000
very stable fiesta, basso a bit complaining about weight balance but they will fix it during the season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JydChCSL3Mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5R3WoZelE
camera car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ofvlsxtS0

[RS]

nice videos from first italian stage @Ciocco with various cars..basso r5 cng vs 208 t16 vs skoda s2000 vs 207s2000
very stable fiesta, basso a bit complaining about weight balance but they will fix it during the season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JydChCSL3Mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5R3WoZelE
camera car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ofvlsxtS0

Well, the 208 looks nice and sounds nice but the difference in performance vs. Basso's Fiesta is quite visible. Surprised Peugeot seemed to have dropped the ball on this one, especially as they had an extra three months than planned..

[[WRCRR]]

I am not saying anything about the performance of the 208 T16 based on a single rally, but one thing to remember about this project is that Peugeot Sport doesn't have even nearly the same resources that they had during the development of 207 S2000 for example...not to even mention 206 WRC.

[MikeyD]

This does not seem to be a good start for the Peugeot 208 T16, I was hoping for much better. :(
Even discounting Basso’s Fiesta, The 208 T16 was struggling to compete with the Skoda S2000 and the 207 S2000 of Nucita.
Andreucci compared to Nucita SS1 +4.1, SS2 +3, SS3 +2.4, SS4 +10.9, SS5 +5.8, SS6 +1.2, SS7 +6.4, SS8 +2.1, SS9 +0.8, SS10+4.3

The second day was better, but I don’t think that it is representative as the top drivers were already cruising for the finish.

Come on Peugeot, the 208 T16 needs to be at least as fast as the 207 S2000, from what we saw in Ciocco, there is still a lot of work do. The worrying thing is that now the car is homologated it will be much harder to make the improvements needed.

From what I hear the only modification to Basso’s car is the Fuel system, everything else is retained according to the FIA homologation including the 32mm restrictor. From Basso’s comments the car is also heavier than a normal Fiesta R5, so they are at a disadvantage.

Looking forward to Acropolis, hopefully this will be a better rally for the Peugeot R5. :)

[Mirek]

MikeyD: Interesting comment about Basso's car. After watching videos I do believe as the other Fiesta R5 looks stronger than Basso's one.

[WRCRR]: I believe M-Sport had even less resources when developing the R5 ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

I think that the Fiesta R5 have advantage in this rally, because the piece behind steering wheel are better ;)

Ok ok, i am huge fan of Giandomenico. :angryfire

[Mirek]

I have to admit You are most likely right!

[OldF]

A nice pic where all the 50 Fiesta R5s that have been delivered.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 6557_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1922279_684722121570843_1532346557_n.jpg)

Markko Märtin Motorsport has already 5 R5s. Only one in Finland. :confused:

Does anyone have information in which countries these teams/drivers are located?

[Andre Oliveira]

Son, starting here : http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47 ... -Fiesta-R5 (http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5)

3 and 4 are not MM Motorsport anymore.

[WUff1]

Let´s wait and see if there are Peugeot R5 at Acropolis at all.

[RS]

Let´s wait and see if there are Peugeot R5 at Acropolis at all.

They might be better off to stick with the 207 for now.

[Francis44]

Let's wait for some time to really judge the car. I remember back when the first S2000 machines came the times were sometimes slower than Group N, the cars need development and km's. Even the Fiesta R5 with so many km's and races hasn't proved it is regularly faster than an S2000 or on par with RRC.

On the other hand I think the promised "cheaper" category was just a clever stunt for the manufacteurs to sell new cars to privateers, from what I have been hearing the costs are not so far from an S2000 because reliability is not great.

[RS]

Let's wait for some time to really judge the car. I remember back when the first S2000 machines came the times were sometimes slower than Group N, the cars need development and km's. Even the Fiesta R5 with so many km's and races hasn't proved it is regularly faster than an S2000 or on par with RRC.


True with the Fiat, but when the big boys got involved (Peugeot, Skoda and Ford) their cars were quick pretty much straight away. I think the best cars tend to be born well and then get better, rather than start on the back foot.

Hopefully Ciocco is an anomaly and we will see a better performance on Acropolis, but it has certainly been a shaky start for the 208.

[liposh]

What did you all expect? The R5 cars should be same performance as S2000 cars, Andreucci was struggling with setup first day (which is logical) so the situation is as expected.

[Ucci]

Andreucci, leg 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaW ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Np0cFaWR5k&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZ ... 6xRNeNla4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKt_WXcZV5A&list=UUMzsOYZsU1okn6xRNeNla4A)

Looser.....

Strong words from a guy with your username.
You can say whatever you want, be this is the real situation. Again : Andreucci was there to win. And he failed....
And I'll still use his ''nickname''. I'm still his fan-but that doesn't mean he does not deserve a critic.

[Mirek]

What did you all expect? The R5 cars should be same performance as S2000 cars, Andreucci was struggling with setup first day (which is logical) so the situation is as expected.

No. The author of R5 rules told me personally that R5 shall be faster.

[polo10]

What did you all expect? The R5 cars should be same performance as S2000 cars, Andreucci was struggling with setup first day (which is logical) so the situation is as expected.

No. The author of R5 rules told me personally that R5 shall be faster.

And in my opinion it is faster. Ford R5 is faster than the S2000 cars,probably not in all situations but in most of them if you put the same driver in a Ford and in a S2000 he is faster with R5, in my opinion. Something it is not well with Peugeot, citroen had more caution and postponed the homologation...

[Barreis]

Is this 100% correct info that pug r5 failed international homologation?

[Rally Power]

On the other hand I think the promised "cheaper" category was just a clever stunt for the manufacteurs to sell new cars to privateers, from what I have been hearing the costs are not so far from an S2000 because reliability is not great.

The promised "cheaper" cars are based in unrealistic FIA mandatory costs that FIA, from the beginning, knows manus won’t comply. A perfect example for what a ruling body should be!
Still R5 costs are a fraction from RRC/WRC.

[Andrey]

If Basso car was equipped by LPG system (not CNG), its engine can be more powerful than normal R5 car

[WUff1]

Is this 100% correct info that pug r5 failed international homologation?

Think we´ll see it when final entrylist of Rally Acropolis will be published (today?).

[manthey]

If Basso car was equipped by LPG system (not CNG), its engine can be more powerful than normal R5 car

yes the system is called LDI (LPG direct injection )

http://www.brc.it/en/lpg-direct-injection.asp

[Andre Oliveira]

So the car is called Ford Fiesta R5 LDI ?

[manthey]

So the car is called Ford Fiesta R5 LDI ?

on ciocco entry list only fiesta r5

here is the team's website
http://rally.brc.it/default.asp

[fegh]

Acropolis Official ERC entry list (approved by the FIA)
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/userfiles/ ... he-FIA.pdf (http://www.acropolisrally.gr/userfiles/CMSFiles/2014/ERC-ENTRIES_Approved-by-the-FIA.pdf)
the two 208 T16 are there !

[EightGear]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112990

"The only objective that we set ourselves was to concentrate on reliability and adapt ourselves as well as possible to the car, rather than go looking for pure performance."

[bluuford]

What else thay can say?;-)

[stefanvv]

Acropolis is tough event. They'll need strong car if want to start the season (their) with reasonable points. Let's see.

[Mirek]

What else thay can say?;-)

Nothing shows better what they themselves actually think about the car than all those delays with development prolonged again for the Citroën twin.

[manthey]

I read that the homologation ds3 r5 is postponed to 1 of May. can someone confirm this news? Wilson is rubbing his hands :D

[Tom206wrc]

Do you know if Christian Jensen will have his 208 T16 in time for the Wikinger Rallye end of march(same week-end as Acropolis) :confused:

[ChristianArp]

Do you know if Christian Jensen will have his 208 T16 in time for the Wikinger Rallye end of march(same week-end as Acropolis) :confused:

Nope, already confirmed by Peugeot Sport Dealer Team DK this Monday that will not get the car delivered in time.
They state that the plan now is to do a 'minirally' (short rally, 50 km SS maximum) on the 12th of April - provided they get their car by then.
My dad spoke to his codriver at an official test day on Saturday, he said they didn't really know anything, so they can only prepare for when the car eventually arrives.

[Juha_Koo]

To my knowledge, based on unconfirmed info, Peugeot has acquired the international homologation during this week.

[PLuto]

To my knowledge, based on unconfirmed info, Peugeot has acquired the international homologation during this week.

It is true. But, of course, officially they have homologation from 01/03/2014 :)

[liposh]

And what is the situation with DS3 R5? I mean if the date in homologation docs. is also 01/03/14 they can´t change anything written in the homologation docs, right? And it´s quite strict. So what will they do during those two months till 01/05/14 (or even later) ?

[Tom206wrc]

I guess they will test, test, test,... :confused:

[Barreis]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc-2/news/2014/march/chardonnet-r5/page/1208--51-51-.html

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.4troxoi.gr/files/Image/0000660WRC2014/SIG_9418.JPG
www.4troxoi.gr

[Tom206wrc]

Turan Frygies in 208 T16 for the 2014 hungarian rallies championship ;)

[WUff1]

http://www.4troxoi.gr/files/Image/0000660WRC2014/SIG_9418.JPG
www.4troxoi.gr

Boring livery, compared to Ucci´s car.

[Adler]

Gerwald Grössing in 208 R5 in ÖRM from Rallye Lavanttal...maybe interesting if he can challenge Baumschlager with the peugeot as well...

[CWJ]

Thats not valid anymore rumors say...

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc4lJaumbKU http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/ninja_hide.gif

[Tom206wrc]

Seeing what Breen and Abbring are currently doing in Acropolis today saturday, I only can hope Andreucci with more time to test the 208 T16 will impress us in Sanremo next week :D

[irish_tiger]

Seeing what Breen and Abbring are currently doing in Acropolis today saturday, I only can hope Andreucci with more time to test the 208 T16 will impress us in Sanremo next week :D
Yeah ....what about the cooling issues ? this is still happening and had been from the start and its still not sorted . Its nearly going on now with a year . The DS3 R5 is delayed again . I hear from ' The Twitter machine ' Juilan Porter was saying that Abbrings car was smelling all day (over heating ?) ... this isn't good for the people that are awaiting their cars that are on order ...

[RS]

I guess Meeke won't be doing COI in the DS3 R5 then :(

[Tom206wrc]

Yeah ....what about the cooling issues ? this is still happening and had been from the start and its still not sorted . Its nearly going on now with a year . The DS3 R5 is delayed again . I hear from ' The Twitter machine ' Juilan Porter was saying that Abbrings car was smelling all day (over heating ?) ... this isn't good for the people that are awaiting their cars that are on order ...

But everything OK for Breen I presume, so the problem is sorted for some cars though ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Rudy Michelini's DS3 R5 is ready(with livery on it) :bounce:

Edit: http://www.procarmotorsport.it/

[manthey]

Rudy Michelini's DS3 R5 is ready(with livery on it) :bounce:

Edit: http://www.procarmotorsport.it/

bellissima!

I edit a bit the link provided by Tom...here
http://www.procarmotorsport.it/arrivata-in-casa-procar-motorsport-la-prima-citroen-ds3-r5/

[RS]

So they have the car but it is not homologated yet??

[br21]

Maybe it will be interesting for some:
Peugeot has two homologated ratios for gearboxes - 173kmh and 198 kmh. They say to reach max speed on long one takes very, very long so it's not always useful, but at least some option.
Fiesta has only one ratios as for now - 177kmh.

It will be interesting to read opinions of people from our Forum who took a ride in R5 cars before Acropolis.

[Mirek]

br21 : Do You know the power curve of Fiesta? From this it looks like the power peak in Fiesta is much closer to the rpm limiter than with Peugeot.

[Zeakiwi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc4lJaumbKU http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/ninja_hide.gif

How much did it cost the Citroen crew for the Lamborghini 1256DT tractor tow?

[br21]

br21 : Do You know the power curve of Fiesta? From this it looks like the power peak in Fiesta is much closer to the rpm limiter than with Peugeot.

don't know exactly, you should shift to next gear around 6500rpms, then not a lot happens to 7500rpms. But car goes really good from around 3k rpms.

[Mirek]

Thanks

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-1592-0-15803200-1396360188.jpg

[Mirek]

Is some our forum member on the test?

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hoD3oaypMs&feature=youtu.be

[marcosg]

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=16182

can someone speaking czech please translate?

Polo R5 in VW plans?

[Mirek]

It's April 1st joke ;) All what is signed -apr- at the bottom.

[marcosg]

It's April 1st joke All what is signed -apr- at the bottom.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :(:( :);)

[RS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ2gFwyaCQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2WY3ULKRYg

[RS]

The Fabia R5 sound reminds me a lot of the Octavia WRC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzjPGhbEOs

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta R5 LPG or GPL are homologated by FIA now: http://autosport.pt/fiesta-r5-a-gas-ja-pode-correr-em-provas-fia=f120658

[toras]

Skoda Fabia R5 gravel tests in Greece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ2gFwyaCQ&feature=youtu.be

[Mirek]

The Fabia R5 sound reminds me a lot of the Octavia WRC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzjPGhbEOs

It certainly sound and go more WRC-like than other R5. Let's see but so far the videos have made me very optimistic about this car.

Does anyone know if the road where Škoda was testing today was used as a stage during Acropolis rally?

[RS]

I still believe it will be homologated 01.01.2015, or March at the latest and not "mid 2015" as Skoda say.

The car looks good already and they have 8 months until January. I hope the success of Peugeot might make them hurry things up a bit lol.

[RS]

Does anyone know if the road where Škoda was testing today was used as a stage during Acropolis rally?

I don't know but it looks similar to the road they used for the S2000 tests pre-rally?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Eu5CFx7AU

[makinen_fan]

Does anyone know if the road where Škoda was testing today was used as a stage during Acropolis rally?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hoD3oaypMs&feature=youtu.be

in this video at approx 0:30 seems to be the same place as in some videos from the event.


some photos from the test
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.690814984316066.1073741858.190517284345841&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.460719234061914&type=1

[dimviii]

Does anyone know if the road where Škoda was testing today was used as a stage during Acropolis rally?

this video i posted seems that is the same road as Acropolis.Watch the work by loaders/bulldozers at the edge of the road.
I am not 100% sure,i know that from Monday are near Loutraki and testing.Will be silly to dont test at a Sundays part of some stage,when it was easy to lap times of 208 Peugeot and fiesta r5 cars.
As i know i will confirm it.

[PLuto]

I still believe it will be homologated 01.01.2015, or March at the latest and not "mid 2015" as Skoda say.

The car looks good already and they have 8 months until January. I hope the success of Peugeot might make them hurry things up a bit lol.

No chance for 01/01/2015...

[Mirek]

Will be silly to dont test at a Sundays part of some stage,when it was easy to lap times of 208 Peugeot and fiesta r5 cars.

That's exactly why I was asking :)

[RS]

No chance for 01/01/2015...

Ufffff :( why not?

Sometimes Skoda are too cautious. By 01.01.2015 it will already have been testing for 16 months.

[dimviii]

Ufffff :( why not?


he knows but cant tell it.http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/rtfm.gif

sorry Pluto couldn t resisthttp://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

[Vaggelis27]

My video from yesterday R5 test in greece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hoD3oaypMs&feature=youtu.be

[Sulland]

But VW could put the R5 stuff almost right into a Polo, before the new Fabia roadcar is on the street?? And then we will have couple of new twins as the 208 and DS3!

[pantealex]

Ufffff :( why not?

Sometimes Skoda are too cautious. By 01.01.2015 it will already have been testing for 16 months.

There must be road version of new Fabia first (new bodyshell)

They have only tested old fabia with 1.6T and it´s not 100% same thing.

[Mirek]

That's not the problem. Production of Fabia III is going to start during Q3. 2500 pieces is circa one week production. The car already exists for many months and is being tested in secrecy (I mean stock one). I would not be surprised if they already tested R5 in new shell too. Only a fraction of tests is public.

[RS]

But VW could put the R5 stuff almost right into a Polo, before the new Fabia roadcar is on the street?? And then we will have couple of new twins as the 208 and DS3!

They could....

That's fine by me as long as Skoda are allowed a Fabia WRC in return :)

[Mirek]

Some time a go I heard about Polo R5 being developed for VW South Africa independently from Škoda but I don't know if that was true.

Once more Fabia R5 in Greece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWFoVmRGSS4

[OldF]

That's not the problem. Production of Fabia III is going to start during Q3. 2500 pieces is circa one week production. The car already exists for many months and is being tested in secrecy (I mean stock one). I would not be surprised if they already tested R5 in new shell too. Only a fraction of tests is public.

You forgot to tell that 25 000 cars of the same family must also have been produced.

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For some peculiar way I’ve missed this page and post (below). I couldn’t find this customer information, only a purchase order form. The price includes also the standard road car parts but what other parts has to be removed from the list before the price is down to 180.000 €? €? I assume the price also includes some training & instructions for assembling the car and some documentations.


Copied from Peugeot Sport customer information


KIT 208 T16 PRIX
208 T16 delivery in kit (Gravel or tarmac spec) 209 900 €*

Technical sheet **:
· Peugeot Sport bodyshell in accordance with R5 regulation
· Engine 1.6 turbo developed by Peugeot Sport ( 280 hp, 400Nm)
· 3MO 5 speed sequential gear box
· Hydraulic power steering
· Complete Magneti Marelli electronic system
· Öhlins suspension with specific 208 T16 set up, three way adjustable.
· Front and rear Alcon brakes
· Lightweight mirrors
· Roof vent
· Sliding side windows
· Trip computer TC 100
· Sparco carbon seats ADV-SCX(H)
· T16 data logger and software
· Driver / codriver foot-rest
· Light fire extinguishers
· French registration
· Bat flaps and underbody protections ( for gravel spec)
· Wheel brace
· Internal heater / demister kit
· Spare wheel fixing kit

The following options will be available :
· Car assembly by Peugeot Sport
· Conversion kit , gravel to tarmac and tarmac to gravel
· Jack
· Helmet bracket
· Spring kit, gravel and tarmac spec
· Complete underbody and gravel protection kit
· Set up kit
· Specific tools.
Note that we also offer a base model 208 T16 asphalt version in accordance with FIA
regulations, price of 180 000 €

[tolis]

Is some our forum member on the test?
Yes I was!

[dimviii]

Yes I was!

10 beers penalty.
spill the beans and i will make it half.

[Mirek]

Yes I was!

Some impressions after You watched the competitors one day before? :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Photos by Marcin Snopkowski: http://www.ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=16750&t=Test-Skoda-Fabia-R5-after-the-Acropolis-Rally-2014

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_koda_fabia_r5_acropolis_2014/sno_019.jpg

[Mirek]

You forgot to tell that 25 000 cars of the same family must also have been produced.

You are right, somehow I mixed that with a digit lower number. Than it might really be a problem to have 25000 cars produced for 1st January.

[RS]

You are right, somehow I mixed that with a digit lower number. Than it might really be a problem to have 25000 cars produced for 1st January.

Really? I think production starts end of August so they have about 17 weeks to do that.

[Mirek]

The production will be probably quite slow at the start, only located in Mladá Boleslav and not in Russia, China and India where Fabia is also produced (I believe).

[Mirek]

The homologation of 208 was postponed several times unofficially because of overheating issues. Now the car have four starts and two retirements because of overheating. That looks serious.

[dimviii]

Ucci retired due to overheating?

[Filip]

Yes, at least it says that in the Italian Rally news thread.

Let's see if Citroen guys managed to solve the overhating problem.

[dimviii]

this is with google translator.If the translate is right the problem was from a ''sleeve'' Really serious problem...
also at 1st stage was raining and Ucci was on Pirellis.

"But the news of the day is that of the retirement of Paolo Andreucci and Anna Andreussi, stopped by a problem with the engine of his new Peugeot 208 Turbo 16 R5 A strong loss in the cooling system of the car, breaking. Than a sleeve, he advised the Tuscan retreat, after 55 consecutive arrivals. "

[br21]

In Abbrings car during Acropolis welding on radiator broke, cooling fluid leaked and that caused overheating.

[dimviii]

In Abbrings car during Acropolis welding on radiator broke, cooling fluid leaked and that caused overheating.
so we are talking about 2 different reaons of retire.
Really silly the reason at Abbrings case.But very easy to fix it for the future.

br21 if you manage to know exactly what about the sleeve at Andreuccis case,will be usefull.

[br21]

I heard also about coolant leak in Andreuccis car, but that's not confirmed

[OldF]

There could still be a change of seeing a Skoda R5 from the beginning of 2015. Of course they (Skoda) have made their own decision but the regulations could make it possible.

ARTICLE 13: PROVISIONAL HOMOLOGATION

Manufacturers have the possibility of obtaining provisional Group N or in Group A (in this case, the necessary information must be added in the complementary information section of the VK-S2000-Ra form) homologation of the family and the model from which the kit is derived, before the total production necessary for definitive homologation has been reached, on condition that:
- cars of the model and family under consideration are freely on sale to customers;
- the total production of the family under consideration (25,000 units), and of the model under consideration (2500 units), is completed before the start of the last event in the Championship of the current year;
- all other homologation requirements are fulfilled.


If the full production is not completed before the deadline, the manufacturer:
- will be excluded from all the results of the current year;
- will be fined a considerable sum of money;
- will be suspended for one year.

[RS]

They could quite easily do that, I mean they are clearly going to produce more than 25,000 Fabias in a year unless the world ends.

March wouldn't be so bad though, they would only have to miss a couple of events as Peugeot did this year.

[Tom206wrc]

Finally Pieter Tsjoen on 4 rounds of belgian championship(from Ypres)in a 208 T16 ;)

[manthey]

Finally Pieter Tsjoen on 4 rounds of belgian championship(from Ypres)in a 208 T16 ;)

I thought he would drive in a ds3 R5...maybe he chose 208 for a bit more reliability?

[mousti]

No that was always the plan..

Sent from my HTC Desire X using Tapatalk 2

[Barreis]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/april/citroen-r5/page/1272--12-12-.html

[RS]

We were talking a while back about the torque of S2000 engines. Skoda claim 253NM @ 7000RPM, although they also only claim 275BHP....

http://www.skoda-auto.com/en/motorsport/cars/fabia-s2000

[Mirek]

That's utter nonsense, don't waste Your time with it ;)

[RS]

What interested me was it was the first time I had seen them claim a torque figure. If it's wrong by the same factor as the power figure then 300NM looks realistic.

[makinen_fan]

Another Fabia R5 test video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mki6RPeDR5U&feature=youtu.be

[RS]

Another Fabia R5 test video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mki6RPeDR5U&feature=youtu.be

They seem to be running a very intensive schedule! Tarmac, rough gravel and muddy gravel all within a month. Big setup they have in the forest there too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport boss Malcolm Wilson is considering bolstering his company’s presence in the FIA European Rally Championship by fielding one of his WRC stars in a Ford Fiesta R5 on selected events.

Kajetan Kajetanowicz is flying the flag for M-Sport’s Fiesta R5 project in the ERC and has shown great pace on his three appearances so far this season, landing a podium on the most recent round in Greece. However, Wilson wants to ensure that the Fiesta R5 continues to run at the head of the field in the face of opposition from Peugeot’s 208T16, so is looking into the possibility of getting another star name into one of his cars alongside Kajetanowicz, the four-time Polish champion.

“I’ve no plans to at the moment but there’s nothing to say that we won’t put Ott Tänak out,” said Wilson. “I need to make sure our cars are winning wherever possible so we will probably do something.”

With Kajetanowicz not including the Discover Northern Ireland Circuit of Ireland Rally on his schedule for 2014 with the LOTOS Rally Team, Robert Barrable will be the lone Fiesta R5 representative when the ERC resumes in Belfast from 17-19 April.

[dimviii]

Another Fabia R5 test video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mki6RPeDR5U&feature=youtu.be

at 4,50 when going slow some blue smoke at rear side.

[Mirek]

at 4,50 when going slow some blue smoke at rear side.

Yes, I noticed that too. Blown turbo maybe?

[RS]

ERC - Wilson considers using WRC driver in ERC*M-Sport boss Malcolm Wilson is considering bolstering his company’s presence in the FIA European Rally Championship by fielding one of his WRC stars in a Ford Fiesta R5 on selected events.


It makes sense because it won't look too good if they are regularly beaten by the 208; but last year he said we were going to see the factory drivers starting several ERC events and it never happened.

[dimviii]

Yes, I noticed that too. Blown turbo maybe?

or oil leak that burning ie exhaust.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There's loads of Fiests R5's been sold and been running for months so they should be in the ERC in numbers already...

Its a shame that M-Sport themselves need to enter drivers to get the car competing and winning.

[Filip]

Why? Peugeot is doing the same thing with Breen and Abbring.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why? Peugeot is doing the same thing with Breen and Abbring.

Yes, but the 208T16 has only just been launched/homologated and few have been sold yet.

The Fiesta R5 has the following stats and there should surely be more than one in the ERC...

Launched midway through 2013, the Fiesta R5 has become one of M-Sport’s most successful models, with close to 70 orders placed. The Cumbrian-built cars have been shipped to customers in 21 countries and have claimed 27 class wins and ten outright victories.

M-Sport’s Fiesta was the first R5 to be homologated and, as rival models from Peugeot and Citroen have been a long time coming, it has become the weapon of choice in the World Rally Championship’s WRC2 class.

Category leader Yuriy Protasov drives one, as does the man in second, Lorenzo Bertelli. No fewer than 14 cars lined up for the start of Vodafone Rally de Portugal.

ESSENTIAL FIESTA R5 STATS
FACT FIGURE
Number of shells completed 50
WRC2 victories 4
WRC2 stage wins 92
WRC2 podium clean-sweeps 2
Number of days as the only R5 on the market 234

[Mirek]

If I'm not mistaken Fiesta R5 has not yet won in ERC, right? It participated in a lot of events while Peugeot won already in first start...

[Andre Oliveira]

Mirek: http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=7316&t=Rajd-Polski-2013

[Mirek]

True, I forgot about Rajd Polski. Thanks

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It participated in a lot of events while Peugeot won already in first start...

Not a lot of events in ERC, only 6 and none with a really top driver.

Ketomaa and Kubica have won ERC events in the Fiesta RRC which is similar.

[Mirek]

Not a lot of events in ERC, only 6 and none with a really top driver.

I tend to disagree. For example in Barum both Valoušek and Kostka who drove the R5 managed to finish on podium with Fabia S2000 in the years before. They are "just" locals but very capable on home soil. Anyway what I meant is the marketing value where Peugeot managed to win out of the box while M-Sport struggles despite having the car competing for a reasonable time.


Ketomaa and Kubica have won ERC events in the Fiesta RRC which is similar.

No, it's not. It's completely different car. The two share no main components. They only look a bit similar...

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 7 to Andreucci

[RS]

I have the feeling that the 208 is quicker than the Fiesta, but I would like to see a known quantity driver in the Fiesta so we know more. Kajetanowicz is for sure a good driver, but I don't think we know quite how good outside Poland.

I think MSport would be well advised to assist one or two strong entries for some ERC events (Basso?).

Or Ypres could be good preparation for Evans and Hirvonen for Rallye Deutschland :)

[HaCo]

In a nutshell: looking forward to Ypres Rally! :) :) :)

[Nelly]

Ott Tanak and Jari Ketoma testing in Ireland today in the d mack r5, Tanak was mighty!

[eib1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBAcLMGPhFk

[RICARDO75]

another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGZaBcuB0bs&feature=em-uploademail

[RS]

Ott Tanak and Jari Ketoma testing in Ireland today in the d mack r5, Tanak was mighty!

What for? Just a tyre test?

[Nelly]

Yeah it seemed so, they even watered the stage half way trough the day, which is a bit strange for Ireland!! Pity they won't be out next weekend.

[Tom206wrc]

Gryazin to switch to a 208 T16 ??? :confused:

[WUff1]

Gryazin to switch to a 208 T16 ??? :confused:

I meant this always was the plan for him when starting the season.

[Tom206wrc]

Christian Jensen at the start of Grand-Prix Rally this coming week-end in the 208 T16 :cool:

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/10013195_10203420727936826_890625046671688255_n.jp g

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Strange how the privateers with the 208T16 have the 80's-style 'Peugeot Sport' livery and the actual 'factory' drivers (Breen / Abbring) dont ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlNRRsnIEAA2nLz.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203420728016828&set=pcb.10152378062532392&type=1&theater

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/p180x540/10268454_10203420728016828_9023715029150263042_n.j pg

[Barreis]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113594

[WUff1]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/04/21/unruhe-bei-peugeot-nach-doppelausfall/index.html

[Mirek]

That broken gearbox which is mentioned in the article was visible in Eurosport report. Have a look at 13:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp7QoFHCMX0

[WUff1]

Ahh yes!

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/04/21/unruhe-bei-peugeot-nach-doppelausfall/index.html


So Breen's victory in Acropolis would be mainly due to LUCK ??? ;(
Let's see if Jensen can finish the second round of danish championship this coming week-end :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

So that's it...Christian Jensen finished the second round of the danish championship today saturday(he took the 2nd position overall in the last stage) ;)

No idea if he had any kind of problems during the race though :confused:

[Andre Oliveira]

Finnished second on this rallysprint before two: http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=17200&t=Autopartner-Ans-Kro-Rally-Grand-Prix-2014

Maybe only driver difference in this case.

[fegh]

Michelini 2nd in DS3 R5 by 2.5 s in Rally Valdineivole.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=17257&t=Rally-della-Valdineivole-2014

[Mirek]

Car of Jakeš, the premiere will come on Friday :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10155250_623173547777344_5063405667418649577_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/10177382_623202534441112_4073765668064165885_n.jpg

[vino_93]

It seems project of Opel to do a R5 is dead, due to lack of fund :(

[liposh]

I am little bit confused. They said they will do Adam cup firts of all, then Adam R2, then Corsa R3T and then Corsa R5. They are little bit late in comparison to their press releaases from the very beginning, but those Adam projects are going very well and they also put two young drivers into ERC in factory R2 cars, which is good sign.

[vino_93]

From sure source (PM if you want to know more), nothing is done now. They've done the CUp, they've done the R2. But for the rest, there is no fund for the moment. No R3, no R5 in development.
They'll see at mid season what they'll do, but there isn't a lot of hope to have a bigger car.

[Rallyper]

Opel has to go on what they´ve started. The brand itself is said to be more and more sportif, so they must prove it with just go on to R5, which I believe is the most proper class for the future (with small adjustments).

[ChristianArp]

So that's it...Christian Jensen finished the second round of the danish championship today saturday(he took the 2nd position overall in the last stage) ;)

No idea if he had any kind of problems during the race though :confused:

At the small sprint-event (it's all done within the confines of a tarmac factory) he complained that the car was too low, and that he was a bit scared of the kind of reaction the car would have to the more bumpy sections.

I wasn't in Vejen, but no major issues were reported from there. What I do know is that the stages were very challenging, and that Christian has a tendency to take a while to get going, both in a new car and after a winter break.
Ib Kragh on the other hand has already done two real rallies this year (Tank S in the Netherlands and Wikinger in Germany), so he is up to rally speed for the year. Also, the rally was made by his codriver Mie Petersen, who no matter how many times she's said that it won't make any difference.. Ib has always done well in her events.
That being illegal recce (she vehemently denies that) or just stages that are well suited to his driving style and car setup, I really don't know, the results are just there. More so previous years than this year though, it has to be said.

To get a real feel of the speed of the 208 on Danish stages, I would wait until at least the fourth round in Slagelse and perhaps even later in the season - Christian has already had all the excuses out, so is playing down expectations..
Driverwise, Christian should be a bit faster than Ib, if results in somewhat equal 207s are anything to go by.

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 17? Ex Cracco's car?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmVN9d_IIAAZJQS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmVT4LYIYAEwMd4.jpg

[Mirek]

Beautiful photos from test of Jakeš by DoN: http://rallyphotos.cz/photos/citroen-ds3-r5-mirek-jakes-test/

http://rallyphotos.cz/photos/citroen-ds3-r5-mirek-jakes-test/citroen-ds3-r5-miroslav-jakes-21.jpg

[dimviii]

and video from Jakes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnlRF3Bxqg4

[Mirek]

Looks very careful. I think he would need two-three events to get used to the car. In the past he did only two short events with Fabia S2000 besides driving Lancer gr.N and a C2 R2...

https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10314559_618941068200926_8395716133960654101_n.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10154088_690087987714758_8592773542159744347_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Nice livery for Jakes :)

[Mirek]

From this article: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=16283

Translation of Jakeš's words


We did around 120 kilometers during the test near Vyškov. The engine is fantastic and the same feeling I have about brakes. It's big difference for me because I can compare the new Citroën basically only with my last years Lancer. The worse thing is suspension. The setup we got from the French is totally useless for Czech roads. The chassis is extremely stiff, it could work only on circuit or on some their French asphalts. When we drove over straights it was quite ok but when some bumpy part appeared the car was very nervous. I didn't try any real crest so I have no idea how the suspension will behave in landings. Anyway the only chance to improve especially to set the suspension properly is to test and test. I strongly believe Rostislav Šašek will help us with dampers. He is preparing dampers also for Mini of Václav Pech.

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 17? Ex Cracco's car?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmVT4LYIYAEwMd4.jpg

No one know if those numbers are the chassis? ;)

[RS]

From this article: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=16283

Translation of Jakeš's words

Interesting. Confirms why the Peugeots were below expected performance in Ireland.

[dimviii]

No one know if those numbers are the chassis? ;)

yes its chassis number.

[Tom206wrc]

Anyway, interesting battle of R5s in Targa Florio next week, with Basso(Ford), Campedelli(Ford), Michelini(Citroën)and Andreucci(Peugeot) ;)

[Mirek]

Interesting. Confirms why the Peugeots were below expected performance in Ireland.

I'm pretty sure that Peugeot didn't do Ireland with default customer setup ;)

[RS]

I'm pretty sure that Peugeot didn't do Ireland with default customer setup ;)

Well if they used a fancy one it didn't work :p

[Andre Oliveira]

yes its chassis number.

Thanks :) So the car is used.

[Andre Oliveira]

Alex Laffey R5+

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/1901256_685592394831545_984320086239284885_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.584974711559981.1073741827.113308222059968&type=1

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10314755_657350740968748_749913178819922615_n.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/OLEKSOWICZpl?fref=photo

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/778817_654985624538593_1277331438556291619_o.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.654983804538775.1073741849.107863082584186&type=1

[Andre Oliveira]

Philip Cracco searching new deco for new Fiesta R5. Prize: 4 days on luxury Hotel at Marbella (Spain). on Cracco's facebook

[Andre Oliveira]

Another R5+ to Petch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmkb11oIQAAFJ96.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Max Rendina twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl7U3eAIMAAmVRb.jpg

[mousti]

Cracco ordered a new Fiesta R5.

Who can create the most spectacular livery for it wins a luxerous trip in a villa in Marbella :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Philip Cracco searching new deco for new Fiesta R5. Prize: 4 days on luxury Hotel at Marbella (Spain). on Cracco's facebook


Cracco ordered a new Fiesta R5.

Who can create the most spectacular livery for it wins a luxerous trip in a villa in Marbella :D

Yes, like i said. The "old" R5 are now on Spain

[Mirek]

https://scontent-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10330256_841295722553801_139227967462663938_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10303301_841295745887132_2640991932813228750_n.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Someone know the chassis of Fiesta R5: 14R 0244 (Odlozilik) and PY63 LYU (Ahlin)?

[RICARDO75]

Simone Campedelli
http://www.rallyemotion.it/9286_cir-campedelli-finalmente-unauto-di-vertice/

[fegh]

Jakes 2nd with the DS3 R5.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=14438&t=Rallye-Cesky-Krumlov-2014

[Andre Oliveira]

Ricardo Moura's car already on Portugal

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm0cU9ECYAEQRxI.jpg:large

[Mirek]

Jakes 2nd with the DS3 R5.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=14438&t=Rallye-Cesky-Krumlov-2014

Something from him... in coming two weeks before Rally Šumava they will have another test. They need to change differential and damper settings. He said he had problems mainly in case of double or multiple jumps/bumps. With just one jump it was ok. He commented that the car was oversteering too much. They had some problems with misting windscreen but that was solved in service (SS9, 10). In SS13 Jakeš stalled engine in one place and could not start it for 20 seconds.

Generally their press release was positive and I'm sure spectators liked the car.

[sete]

The car is nice to watch.Sound is also good.Reminds me old WRC cars.

[mousti]

MYRacing team of Yves Matton in Belgium has started the buildup of a DS3 R5

[Andre Oliveira]

Need to know chassis of PY63 LYR (Moura) 14R 0244 (Odlozilik) and PY63 LYU (Ahlin) :) Thanks

Here what i collected: http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5

[manthey]

MYRacing team of Yves Matton in Belgium has started the buildup of a DS3 R5

Yves was former team manager of Future World according to his linkedin...I never heard about this team (?), is still running?

[Mirek]

MY racing exists for some time already. It's not newly created.

[PLuto]

Yves was former team manager of Future World according to his linkedin...I never heard about this team (?), is still running?

You have never heard about Future World or about MY Racing?

[PLuto]

MY racing exists for some time already. It's not newly created.

I think it is from 2008.

[br21]

M-Sport homologated longer gear ratios for Fiesta R5, with them max speed should be around 185km/h

[Jarek Z]

Yves was former team manager of Future World according to his linkedin...I never heard about this team (?), is still running?

Oh, Future World were a famous team some 10 years ago! They had such great cars as Toyota Corolla WRC and Subaru Impreza WRC and were competing in Belgian, Polish and even European Championship. Their drivers were Rocco Theunissen, Leszek Kuzaj, Bruno Thiry and many other famous names. Their team boss was Gerard Magniette. I don't know what happened to them since then.

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/GALERIA/jarekz/warszawski2001/x10-kuzaj_bemowo_shake.jpg.pagespeed.ic.6Xx4zGugsr.jpg

http://fotos.miarroba.es/fo/90aa/1E508781252E502145CE2550214373.jpg

http://fotos.miarroba.es/fo/815c/205087813029502145DB275021437E.jpg

[Filip]

I think they used to run some Porsche 911s after that.

[mousti]

Jarek you forgot about Tsjoen who won some Belgian titles with their Corolla WRC and yes indeed they introduced the Porsche 911 road challenge what never really came popular although very spectacular with drivers as Duez, Snijers, Bodson, Van Parijs..

More info around MYracing: http://www.myracing.be/FR/menu/2_Prsentation_MY_Racing.html

They run also Yazeed's Fiesta RRC and I think but not sure that the DS3 R5 they building up will be for Chardonnet? His WRC3 campaign was a DS3 from MYracing.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/p180x540/10306563_784302931594260_7096347868384133748_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/p180x540/1907990_783896434968243_5164312875392926528_n.jpg

A fan study :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10268684_646491502072009_1237315625533641371_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Loix with r5 fabia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tT2zt_brHw

[RS]

Loix with r5 fabia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tT2zt_brHw

Thanks. Looks a little more nimble at low speeds to me than some previous tests but could just be a shorter gearbox I suppose.

[dimviii]

same impression as me,but we dont know what they were testing.

[br21]

car is pretty nervous when on throttle, but at this stage of development it's absolutely not a problem

[vino_93]

MY Racing is official Citroën Racing dealer in Be(ne?)lux ;)

[manthey]

You have never heard about Future World or about MY Racing?

I was referring only to Future World, thanks to all for the answers. I well knew the Winfield red livery but I didn't link it to Future World

[RS]

Test Škoda Fabia R5 - Freddy Loix - Návarov 6.5.2…: http://youtu.be/iLhcfC9veSk

[RS]

Photos from another recent Fabia test: http://paul87.rajce.idnes.cz/Testovani_Skoda_Fabia_R5_1.6_Turbo%2C_Pilot_Jan_Ko pecky%2C_Co-Pilot_Pavel_Dresler/

And a very short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6R3hjIFFLM

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_koda_motorsport_loix_fabia_r5_2014/mtr_3.jpg

more
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=17446&fotograf=251

[RS]

^^^ They have two different cars on that test, unless one was S2000. Also different exhaust exits.

[mousti]

One in tarmac spec and gravel spec probably?

[dimviii]

One in tarmac spec and gravel spec probably?

the one is a s2000 fabia.Probably they compare back to back.

[fegh]

Andreucci wins Targa Florio with the 208

[Ucci]

Andreucci wins Targa Florio with the 208

Yes, he did (finally). If the car is working, it is a fast car !! Obviously not a failed project......

[Mirek]

the one is a s2000 fabia.Probably they compare back to back.

Exactly. One is normal S2000.

[Tom206wrc]

Yes, he did (finally). If the car is working, it is a fast car !! Obviously not a failed project......


Now that reliability seems to work, I'm impatient to follow Breen and Abbring this coming week-end in Portugal ;)

[mousti]

One rally won't confirm that, I really hope they both don't get problems and especially Abbring. I guess he will be the fastest again (like in Greece) of the two..

[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks to Luis Pacheco, Moura's car
https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-0/10334351_747376688628125_8254247001251294512_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

What surprise to hear/read about Karl Kruuda in a 208 T16 in WRC2 Sardigna next month :eek: :confused:

[mousti]

208 comes from TRT Rally team, Tagai probably? Printsport will do service.

[mousti]

Kobus will test tomorrow a Fiesta R5 at MSport. Good chance I think he will buy one and debut with it in Ypres. He has said multiple times this season he's on the limit with his Fiesta S2000 and can't beat Loix with it. Although beating Loix in Belgium is always quite difficult :D

[Mirek]

He is also driving on Kumho tyres. I have no idea how good they are but probably hardly on Michelin pace.

[tommeke_B]

He is also driving on Kumho tyres. I have no idea how good they are but probably hardly on Michelin pace.

I think the tyres are not so bad, especially on dry conditions. In Belgium loops are relatively short, so it's hard to judge on the wear of the tyres. (In average you don't see more than 40km SS between two service-breaks.) Of course in Ypres conditions are different, and tyre wear could be an issue (especially if we see extremely hot weather like we've seen in 2010). From my feeling I don't think it's possible for him to be much faster with Michelin tyres. The Kumho's are "alive" and moving much more than the michelin tyre, obviously, but I think this suits his driving style and he actually likes it. :)

[Tom206wrc]

Federico della Casa on a DS3 R5 on entrylist of next week's Rallye du Chablais(swiss rallies championship) :confused:

[vino_93]

In french magazine Auto Hebdo, Olivier Maroselli, former ingeneer from Mitsubishi and Renault talked about Maxi Rally cars in Argentina. He is now working in Argentina for Tango Rally Team, and helped to create this category.
He said FIA is interested in what he did there. They are interested in a upgrade he is doing with an ex Peugeot ingeneer, Stéphane Basque. It would be a 1.6T engine and worked as a kit, in the spirit of R5.
FIA would like to use it to replace N cars, in order to see WRC / Regionals Rallies growing in term of competition.

Teams would have only to assemble the chassis. The whole other parts would be the same for each models.
A full car will cost around 150 000€.

[RS]

Next year should be very interesting in ERC. Peugeot should have got the car working properly by then and I expect Skoda to have tested properly so we can have a real duel for the title!

[Jack4688`]

What are the Maxi Regulations? I can't find a thread on here about them. From the videos I've found I can't tell if they're FWD or 4WD (though I suspect 4WD)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn8b7f4CAAIQaud.jpg:large

[Sulland]

What are the Maxi Regulations? I can't find a thread on here about them. From the videos I've found I can't tell if they're FWD or 4WD (though I suspect 4WD)

Here is the link:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?25168-Maxi-Rally-Class

[Co-driven]

The Maxi Rally cars use a 2.4 Honda engine, four wheel drive transmission from the Subaru Impreza, Modena 6-speed sequential gearbox. Basically what's free to choose is the suspension.

In Rally Argentina what was being said is that talks with Michelle Mouton were held, regarding the homologation of the 1.6 turbo engine. The plan of Mario Barattero, one of the developers of the idea, is to take a car to Europe until the end of this season.

[Mirek]

I would prefer if they stayed with the naturally aspirated Honda engine - purely because of the sound :)

[Tom206wrc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn8b7f4CAAIQaud.jpg:large


mmmmh interesting livery ;)

[OldF]

Maxi rally cars in motorsportmonday, pages 72-79.

http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=13689a1d-de6e-49e3-b90d-e9547cea8f3d (http://digital.motorsportmonday.com/launch.aspx?eid=13689a1d-de6e-49e3-b90d-e9547cea8f3d)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoFW5oHIMAAlGt9.jpg

[RS]

mmmmh interesting livery ;)

The design on the bonnet is to blend in with the fire from the wiring loom :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

Masked Fabia III (stock one) photos: http://www.autoforum.cz/predstaveni/nova-skoda-fabia-2015-poprve-nafocena-pri-testech-silueta-je-jasna/

Nothing breathtaking on the pictures but maybe someone is interested.

[polo10]

Masked Fabia III (stock one) photos: http://www.autoforum.cz/predstaveni/nova-skoda-fabia-2015-poprve-nafocena-pri-testech-silueta-je-jasna/

Nothing breathtaking on the pictures but maybe someone is interested.

Seems to me that it would be much more beautiful than Fabia II...

[Mirek]

That's not difficult task to achieve I think ;)

[RS]

I guess we will see official photos of the new Fabia in June/July, and then they can present the R5 to us at Barum :)

[polo10]

That's not difficult task to achieve I think ;)

I agree 100% with you ;-)

[polo10]

I guess we will see official photos of the new Fabia in June/July, and then they can present the R5 to us at Barum :)
Unfortunately i think that we only see the Fabia in October in Paris

[RS]

Unfortunately i think that we only see the Fabia in October in Paris

Do you mean R5 or road car?

The road car starts production in August, and as with other recent new Skodas which have followed this pattern the first official photos were usually published around June/July before the motorshow presentation later.

[dimviii]

ds3 r5 test with Chardonnet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=49IjKFSq7QQ

[dimviii]

Kruuda
http://instagram.com/p/oOw9x4A3OS/

[dimviii]

from motorsportmonday
when Magalhaes asked why he didn t entered with 208 r5 he answered that Peugeot dont delivering cars.
http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=13689a1d-de6e-49e3-b90d-e9547cea8f3d