Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Andre Oliveira]

Loix, white rims :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGP1u4DWsAAOILw.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

Skoda Motorsport started their tests on Finnish gravel today. Esapekka Lappi behind the wheel.

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/605356696618323968
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/605377454006501376

[Mirek]

What are Your impressions Teemu?

[Hartusvuori]

What are Your impressions Teemu?

I was not present there myself. I will have to ask my friends.

[liposh]

And here is the video from finnish test: https://youtu.be/V1hdkSXh28Y

[HarriK]

Skoda jumped a lot today!
some small footage:
https://www.facebook.com/harri.kivimaki.3/videos/vb.518552181/10153127126107182/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/harri.kivimaki.3/videos/vb.518552181/10153127125362182/?type=3&theater

[RS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DYJh4l1R2U

Still not landing all that nice.

[Hartusvuori]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DYJh4l1R2U

Still not landing all that nice.

These shots were filmed during the afternoon when they had changed to a softer suspension setup. They were trying out different things. That's what tests are for.

Here a Vimeo link to our video: https://vimeo.com/129575462

[RS]

These shots were filmed during the afternoon when they had changed to a softer suspension setup. They were trying out different things. That's what tests are for.

Here a Vimeo link to our video: https://vimeo.com/129575462

Did you see it when they were using harder suspension then and did it look better?

[RS]

Next day of Skoda tests, looking better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvtgZ10Y0fU

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DYJh4l1R2U

Still not landing all that nice.

http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Esapekka%20Lappi%20Skoda%20Fabia%20R5%20Testit%203 .6.2015/IMG_3583.JPG?img=img1280

http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Esapekka%20Lappi%20Skoda%20Fabia%20R5%20Testit%203 .6.2015/IMG_3585.JPG?img=img1280

More: http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Esapekka+Lappi+Skoda+Fabia+R5+Testit+3.6.2015/

[HarriK]

It was Lappi today and Tidemand continues tomorrow.

[TWRC]

Well, looks like every PSA R5 is having the same pop-off valve problem in Azores, still Breen manages to win the 2nd stage.

[Zeakiwi]

Would the new Opel Astra work for R5?
http://www.gizmag.com/opel-astra-11th-generation/37846/

[dodge33cymru]

I'd argue it's too big compared to the current cars. Corsa or Adam would make more sense.

[Ralph-Mario]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/06/09/vorerst-kein-opel-corsa-r5/

[Sulland]

In english:
https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Fint%2Fnachrichten%2Fartikel%2Fd%2F201 5%2F06%2F09%2Fvorerst-kein-opel-corsa-r5%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Give the task to Vauxhall or a good tuner, and they are in business.

[Rallyper]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/06/09/vorerst-kein-opel-corsa-r5/

Pity! Opel should be there as well. Always done a good job with good cars.

[PLuto]

Pity! Opel should be there as well. Always done a good job with good cars.

Opel will be there, dont be afraid...

[dodge33cymru]

Opel will be there, dont be afraid...
In R2, you mean?

[PLuto]

in R5...

[dodge33cymru]

in R5...
Just not next year?

[Mirek]

Lappi's test of Fabia R5 in Finland with interview in Finnish. Can some of our Finnish members make a short summary if there is something interesting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgI7fysKiKA

[Zigz]

Lappi's test of Fabia R5 in Finland with interview in Finnish. Can some of our Finnish members make a short summary if there is something interesting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgI7fysKiKA

Nothing special, he said they found some better suspension setups. He also said he has three rallies before homeevent. Sardinia and poland, but does somebody know the third one?

[mousti]

Maybe Estonia?

[Mirek]

I guess Rally Bohemia. It's Škoda home event after all (some spectator stages are held directly in Mladá Boleslav).

[Mirek]

Just went deeply through WRC2 results stage by stage. Aside of Ucci's Peugeot and Škodas it was a total disaster of R5 cars. They were neither fast nor reliable. Only seven out of fifteen finsihed without superally and only Škodas without technical problems (the radiator issue in the end didn't affect Ucci that much but I think that it was mainly thanks to his mechanical skills). There is still a lot of RRC cars (from which a large percentage had technical problems as well) but if those are banned for next year it might be a little boring again...

[RS]

I wouldn't worry too much Mirek.. Sardinia is pretty much the roughest event of the year is it not?

And besides, everyone could just buy Skodas ;)

The PSA issue is very strange... there is just no consistency but the cars can be fast and reliable sometimes.

[Jarek Z]

Just went deeply through WRC2 results stage by stage...

If you followed WRC2 results so closely, could you tell me how it happened that such a good driver as Andreucci lost the rally to such a slow driver as Protasov?

[Mirek]

Protasov was faster fair and square. He was not slow at all. Only Lappi and Nasser would probably be ahead of him if they both didn't crash.

[PLuto]

If you followed WRC2 results so closely, could you tell me how it happened that such a good driver as Andreucci lost the rally to such a slow driver as Protasov?

Biggest loss for Andreucci was SS 18, where he must stop because of open tailgate. That was the stage where he lost his leadership...

[RS]

Loix asphalt testing for Skoda Motorsport today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwXbl5AWyac

[Mirek]

It's part of stage Troják from Barum rally.

[Hartusvuori]

It's part of stage Troják from Barum rally.

Heh, I watched it yesterday and didn't give thought for the place nor did recognise it. Now that you mentioned it, I remember being spectating there. Oh well.

[Mirek]

It's not that spectacular part but it's easy to get there without big crowds, especially comfortable for driving from stage Slušovice. In the past a lot o of accidents happened in a walling distance from there (Lappi, Loix, Navarra, Tlusťák, Tomaštík for example).

[Mirek]

Scandola and Wallenwein already have new Fabias R5.

[Mirek]

Great video from Škoda test on Troják, today with Kopecký
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF7KWU8RUuo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Change of plan for Breen:

'After his retirement from WRC Rallye de Portugal last month Peugeot Rally Academy driver Craig Breen has changed his WRC2 Championship plan.

The FIA European Championship leader has decided not to compete as planned on WRC Poland at the start of July but instead will take his SAINTéLOC Racing run Peugeot 208T16 to WRC Rallye Deutschland. The rally which takes place from the 20th to the 23rd of August sees Craig swap gravel for tarmac saying, “We were looking forward to Rally Poland, but after our non-finish in Portugal, we feel this is the best decision to help us on our campaign to win WRC2.”

Although WRC Rallye Deutschland is seen as one of the most difficult asphalt rallies of the season it’s a happy hunting ground for Craig as he has tasted success there before when he won the World Rally Academy class back in 2011. This along with completing a full reconnaissance of the event last year makes the switch a sensible decision.'

[RS]

More from Kopecky test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYH6iagAAYo

[dimviii]

nice video^^^

[tommeke_B]

According to autonews magazine (www.autonews-magazine.com) the Opel Corsa R5 is under development at Holzer Motorsport (same team that developed the Adam R2 for Opel Motorsport). Opel Motorsport claims the project is delayed, but apparently Holzer Motorsport is financing the project themselves now (which is possible since it's part of a huge group that's active in aviation and automotive industry as well). To be continued... :)

Also anyone else heard a rumor that all manufacturers can submit a new (or partly new) homologation for the R5 cars next year?

[mousti]

Yeah they can for sure, they were the developers of the low budget F1 car of HRT.

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[Rally Power]

. Opel Motorsport claims the project is delayed, but apparently Holzer Motorsport is financing the project themselves now (which is possible since it's part of a huge group that's active in aviation and automotive industry as well). To be continued... :)


Good news! It's amazing how Holzer group has grow so hugely! Still remember their colorful Integrale in the early 90's german championship that eurosport used to follow.

Didn't found those images in the tube, just some amateur footage:
https://youtu.be/BXSptPhXbT8

And this short clip from the toyota boys insanely overdriving in the rain:
https://youtu.be/aR_p1BqMCbQ

[Jarek Z]

Is this price list up-to-date? :)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11088624_878336368889638_5120105568487246565_n.jpg ?oh=4851df6916b4651186ebae3902900820&oe=55E74C63

[Mirek]

It's totally meaningless without knowing what is in the price. For example prices of R5 including dozens of components are regulated and homologated. There are for sure differences but definitely not in 20-30% magnitude.

[polo10]

Is this price list up-to-date? :)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11088624_878336368889638_5120105568487246565_n.jpg ?oh=4851df6916b4651186ebae3902900820&oe=55E74C63
At least in one of them it is not true (Fabia)

[Jarek Z]

At least in one of them it is not true (Fabia)

That's what I was afraid of. I still don't know if I can afford Fabia or not :(

[tommeke_B]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11427418_1092822150729670_8755159042864130892_o.jp g

Chassis number 007, for those interested (for database in ewrc etc). The car looks very nice! The inside looks very similar to a WRC car, finished very nicely. Doors in full carbon, I don't know if other R5 cars have that too? What I heard from Freddy and Johan is that the car has enormous torque, higher top speed which will require some adaptation regarding pacenotes, and in general it is easier to drive than S2000. About the suspension lay-out all they could say is that it works very well, no details. :)

[EightGear]

What I heard from Freddy and Johan is that the car has enormous torque, higher top speed

Exactly what they need in Ypres. Roll on victory #10!

[polo10]

That's what I was afraid of. I still don't know if I can afford Fabia or not :(

Is cheaper than what says there....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New Fabia R5 presented to Scandola (Skoda Italia):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH4skpcWwAAGbXe.jpg:large

[Ounin]

Exactly what they need in Ypres. Roll on victory #10!

Yes unfortunately seems true, I'm a big fan of Freddy, but hope he will get some decent competition from Abbring, Lefevbre and Princen, or some other outsiders; would give his victory more joy!

[makinen_fan]

New Fabia R5 presented to Scandola (Skoda Italia):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH4skpcWwAAGbXe.jpg:large

It looks so much nicer with white wheels compared to the works team

[RS]

Can anyone in the know tell us how the power and torque figures of an RRC compare to an R5? Is the more bespoke engine design enough to overcome the smaller restrictor?

[hari]

Video: BRR Skoda Fabia R5 gravel test - Raimund Baumschlager
https://vimeo.com/131686738

http://www.ir7.at/brrt26v.jpg

[OldF]

Teemu/Rallirinki.net retweeted
PAAVO ‏@PanteAlex 5h5 hours ago

Hyundai R5 is coming! Customers can have it next year.

https://twitter.com/PanteAlex

By the newspaper Michael Nandan confirmed during the tests in Finland that the Hyundai R5 will be available for customers next year. No news on the newspaper’s web site http://www.ksml.fi/urheilu/uutiset/neuville-testaa-uutta-hyundaita-jamsassa/2075135 Maybe later.

[Mirek]

Can anyone in the know tell us how the power and torque figures of an RRC compare to an R5? Is the more bespoke engine design enough to overcome the smaller restrictor?

R5 engine is stronger. The advantage of RRC cars is in better suspension (particularly less unsprung weight for example), better anti-lag, six-speed gearbox and reliability. Somebody can add more for sure.

[nafpaktos]

Since r5 cars have five-speed gearbox,i suppose its a restriction from regulations,right?

[Mirek]

Yes

[polo10]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-uploademail&v=VlRS99QOSZ8
Very good

[Mirek]

Video of Pontus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMz8N5GWea8

Finally the car appears near perfect to me!

[dimviii]

dont like the way its landing,imho s2000 was landing much better.

[Mirek]

S2000 was very nose-heavy in jumping. This car jumps pretty straight. The dampers may have worked better on the S2000 but in this moment it's already beyond my recognition. Generally R5 now appears a little Polo-like.

[RS]

The landings look much softer now than they did during Portugal or the Finland tests.

I still find it strange they didn't have the setup better from the start after all that testing, but maybe they concentrated on reliability.

[RS]

Some onboards with Baumschlager, first I have seen of the Fabia R5 on gravel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXx05j_KQ7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxcGQU6Wh7M

[RS]

This morning Kruuda commented about the Skodas: "I'm not giving up on the fight, but when I saw their pace off the line - wow"

They seem to have a clear advantage on this fast gravel event.

[TWRC]

Hirschi retired with oil pressure problems. Wondering whether it's the same issue as in Portugal.

On the other hand, the Skodas look quite convincing as far as the engine goes.

[dimviii]

Gustavo Saba (Paraguay) nice livery!

dont know where he will participate.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11659308_10153341716865733_315553919731235721_n.jp g?oh=66c87e9cd52b64d2fd01b77767549b1e&oe=5659CF88
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11659472_10153341717100733_27986109751831205_n.jpg ?oh=9c6c0137461955691b30e4a0cde5f9f8&oe=561DCC7A

[Co-driven]

Gustavo Saba (Paraguay) nice livery!

dont know where he will participate.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11659308_10153341716865733_315553919731235721_n.jp g?oh=66c87e9cd52b64d2fd01b77767549b1e&oe=5659CF88
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11659472_10153341717100733_27986109751831205_n.jpg ?oh=9c6c0137461955691b30e4a0cde5f9f8&oe=561DCC7A

Probably in Paraguayan Championship and in FIA Codasur Championship.

There is also rumour that Ilo Diehl, the driver that bought a Peugeot 208 R5, also bought a new Fabia R5. Saba's team service his car, and he only had problems with the Peugeot (most of them because of himself).

[RS]

Kopecky, Lappi pre-Bohemia test, unfortunately mostly just one corner but mixed conditions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXWjH_47_mk

Scandola pre-San Marino: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTeevLBx2Kw

[dimviii]

Hyundai's WRC team developing an R5-specification i20
By David Evans Thursday, July 9th 2015, 09:41 GMT

Hyundai, WRC

Hyundai will have a World Rally Championship WRC-2 specification i20 ready to compete by the middle of next season, with testing expected to start later this year.

Despite already being committed to building a new i20 WRC, the Alzenau-based team received a request from Hyundai's Korean HQ for the brand's motorsport programme to be more engaging around the world.

To be built to R5 regulations, the resulting new car will be eligible for the European Rally Championship and a host of domestic championships.

"I think customer activity is very important," Hyundai team principal Michel Nandan said.

"The World Rally Car is only for the WRC and a couple of other championships around the world.

"The only category of car you can run all around the world is R5, so it's a good decision from Hyundai to build the R5 - it shows they are here to compete in motorsport.

"It shows the global marketing and the sporting image of the company."

Nandan added that the R5 would use the same shell as the new World Rally Car, which made the process of building it to new regulations slightly easier.

"We are using a lot of the work done for the WRC car," he said.

"The roll cage philosophy's the same, we use the same shell, it's just the parts we put into the car.

"The R5 has much cheaper parts - the same upright for every corner and only two types of wishbone. It is more of a compromise car than a race car!

"But having the WRC agreed made our life more easy once the wish came from Korea to have an R5 car."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119902?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[RICARDO75]

Unfortunately it's going to be another very ugly five-door version. But it's understandable to cut costs in the development.

[polo10]

Unfortunately it's going to be another very ugly five-door version. But it's understandable to cut costs in the development.

I don t think that the only 5 door R5 that is in the Market is ugly...do you think it is?...for me it is the most beautiful one (skoda)...five door doesn t mean ugly

[RICARDO75]

I like Skoda very much but between i20 5 door and coupe 3 door... the 5 door version is very ugly in my opinion

[Andre Oliveira]

Both WRC and R5 will be 2 door. Only to test this configuration

[TheFlyingTuga]

Actually no André! Michael Nandan said in a interview to Sportmotores in Rally PT that due to development issues with the road 2-door version of the car they will work on the 4-door version of the car for 2016, and if needed making a 2-door car for the new regs in 2017. At the time, he talked to about the R5 car, and a known source of mine confirmed that altough the car is being developed in another department in Alzenau, it will be based on the shell of the 4-door car.

Both articles in Portuguese in hee:

R5 talk:
http://www.sportmotores.com/portal/!site.go?s=1626785219&p=.20055&id=42472

WRC 4-door talk:
http://www.sportmotores.com/portal/!site.go?s=1626785219&p=.20055&id=42068

[manthey]

Regarding fabia's shocks positioning, 2 pictures

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/Skoda_motorsport_test_rally_bohemia_2015/km_30.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/Skoda_motorsport_test_rally_bohemia_2015/km_3.jpg

[Mirek]

Maybe interesting for someone... I noticed in Ypres that Fabia has a lot softer helper springs than Fiesta. They are really tiny on Fabia.

[RS]

Just an idea, but does anyone think that the Fabia's suspension layout might help traction off the line and from slow corners by keeping the nose down and weight over the front wheels?

I noticed on a clip from Poland that the Fiesta, with its sloping front struts, means that the nose lifts a fair bit from the startline.

Fabia from start keep the nose down quite well: http://youtu.be/pMMiu6vVkjY

Fiesta at 1m30: https://youtu.be/O1JTGpqB2yo?t=1m30s

[br21]

Fords generally are pretty soft and bodyshell is rolling a lot, that's the way those cars are designed - all cars - WRC, R5, S2000.
Helper springs are usually not that important, especially on tarmac. In Fiesta Reigers helpers are around 20Nm, so no problem on tarmac, on very soft setup on gravel sometimes it's a problem, but only with really soft setup.
Anyway Fabia looks really good, especially engine is impressive from what I saw. Chassis is not yet that impressive I think, but already pretty good. Looking forward to work on that car in future, as it looks to be competitive car

[Mirek]

26 starts of Fabia R5 till today and only one technical problem resulting in retirement (faulty battery for Kremer in Portugal). Pretty good I would say. The only problem is that they deliver very slowly (but most likely if they deliver faster the reliability would be worse).

[RS]

How many unfulfilled orders do they have Mirek?

[Mirek]

I have no idea but for sure dozens.

[RS]

Fabia R5 Combi appears to be a real working rally car.. shame they didn't use it for a zero car on the rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpIflx_SCMY

[Sulland]

Fabia R5 Combi appears to be a real working rally car.. shame they didn't use it for a zero car on the rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpIflx_SCMY

I think many would buy one with the bodykit, but a 1,6 or 1,8 TSI!

[Mirek]

Would You pay hundred thousand Euro for it? There's no chance they would sell enough of them to make them profitable in some reasonable price (hundreds thousand). Such thing is economical nonsese.

[RS]

I think Sulland was suggesting the R5 body, but with a standard drivetrain.

But I suppose even that would be complicated as you then have to have wider axles e.t.c.

[Mirek]

I know. My comment was exactly about such "stock wide car".

The problem is that people see only different parts which are needed but they don't see all the other things behind. Logistics, production line, development activities, testing of all components and cars, after-sale services, training for workers, mechanics, marketing of another car etc. etc...

[tommeke_B]

I think it's impossible to make such a "wide-body" version of any car on a regular production line, it's much more complicated than some people on this forum think... Skoda is not even considering making an RS-version of their Fabia because it's not profitable. All it takes for them is some better suspension, sporty interior, their DSG-gearbox and a tuned 1.4 TSI-engine they already have... Still it's not profitable, probably because there is a lot of supply for very little demand in this market... Then why even think about a wide-body "rally-look-alike-car"? Everybody would love to see a wide-body Fiesta or Polo, but it will not happen. Also such a wide car would be impractical for parking and for passing other cars on narrow roads. :)

[liposh]

On the other hand it is not customer´s fault you can use only one engine 1,2 TSI 81 kW to have your Fabia little bit sporty. Do you hear it? 1,2 TSI for a God´s sake!!! It had to be solved before they started the production.

[Mirek]

Cry me a river...

If people buy it they would sell it. Simple as that. Besides that I'm quite sure some stronger version will come later.

[John Williams]

707

We have tried a little. Helps to keep our sponsors happy before the real one arrives!

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

M-Sport has launched R5+ with 2.0L engine.

[RS]

M-Sport has launched R5+ with 2.0L engine.

What for?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

What for?
LOL mate, I'm too was surprised, you can see the photo at M-Sport Facebook page
It makes debut at New England, driven by Ramana Lagemann and is aimed at markets where FIA homologation is not required, in particular the US and China (Prodrive Golf SCRC, anyone).

[EightGear]

Fabia has arrived at Wevers Sport and will enter in WRC Germany.

No word on the driver.

[Jarek Z]

Adam Malysz, one of the most succesfull ski jumpers in the history, was testing Skoda Fabia R5 with Raimund Baumschlager yesterday. He said the car was superb :)
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/malysz-jezdzil-fabia-r5,62507

http://static.prsa.pl/images/e02d569c-31b6-4c5c-8508-581dd5bf8c18.jpg

[Mirek]

I hope he will do drive some rally with it ;)

[Jarek Z]

I hope he will do drive some rally with it ;)

I don't think so. Malysz is a snow specialist and Rally Janner was canceled ;)

[RS]

There were some rumours about R5 manufacturers being allowed to make some big changes next year. Is it true?

The PSA cooling seems very marginal..

[Mirek]

I heard the rumor too but nothing else.

[MartijnS]

I don't think so. Malysz is a snow specialist and Rally Janner was canceled ;)

Yeah a lot of snow in the Dakar too haha ;)

[Rally Power]

For those who usually don't open the European National Rallying page of the forum I strongly recommend to get a look on Portuguese Rally News in order to follow this weekend Rally Vinho Madeira (former ERC and IRC rally). Great R5 battle can be watched live on the web! (9 stages covered by local TV)

[Mekola]

Shame that the Rally Vinho Madeira is not part of ERC this year.

[Francis44]

Technical problems for Meireles Fabia R5 in Rally Vinho Madeira, differental/transmission.

[Andre Oliveira]

No spare parts again :( will not restart

[Zeakiwi]

LOL mate, I'm too was surprised, you can see the photo at M-Sport Facebook page
It makes debut at New England, driven by Ramana Lagemann and is aimed at markets where FIA homologation is not required, in particular the US and China (Prodrive Golf SCRC, anyone).

Aimed at markets where Regional car regulations are required?
http://www.hooniganracing.com/blog/2015/07/17/ken-block-benchmarks-new-m-sport-ford-fiesta-r5-ag/

[Co-driven]

Skoda R5 debuted with Gustavo Saba in Paraguay this weekend. On Saturday he won 5 of 6 stages and finished the day almost a minute ahead of Dominguez with the Fiesta.

On Sunday, Saba had a puncture and ripped off a wheel of the car and had to withdraw. Dominguez ended up winning the rally, one and a half minutes ahead of second place. So far, Saba wasn't being able to keep up with Dominguez's speed, but apparently things have changed. Let's see in the end of August on the fourth round of the FIA Codasur Championship in Bolivia.

[vino_93]

Well, impressive. Dominguez seems to be the best driver from Paraguay, quite surprising to see him dominated by Saba.

[Jarek Z]

Another rally for Mitsubishi Mirage R5. Patrik Johansson crashed in AM Snapphanerallyt, but says that he's going to win Swedish championship in 2016!
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/mitsubishi-r5-w-akcji,62824

[nafpaktos]

Do we know how many skoda r5 have been sold to date?

[sete]

i dont have official information but what we know
Baumschlager 2x
Wevers sport 2x
Kreim 1x
Saba 1x
Kobus 1x
Kresta Racing 1x
Meireles 1x
Scandola 1x
Herczig 1x
Wallenvain 1x
Loix 1x

[TWRC]

i dont have official information but what we know
Baumschlager 2x
Wevers sport 2x
Kreim 1x
Saba 1x
Kobus 1x
Kresta Racing 1x
Meireles 1x
Scandola 1x
Herczig 1x
Wallenvain 1x
Loix 1x
As far as I know, Herczig and Kreim operate with BRR cars, not their own.

[jolle1982]

Herzig and kreim is baumschlager car

[sete]

Ok,thanks i didnt know

[WUff1]

2x for Baumschlager is right and Kreim, Herczig, Kremer and himself use them.

[sete]

I heard that 2 fabias comes to Netherlands. one is for Kobus but the second one?

[EightGear]

Wevers Sport

[Andre Oliveira]

Till now, we know this: http://ewrc-results.com/carinfo.php?cid=58&car=1291&t=Skoda-Fabia-R5

[nafpaktos]

Thanks

[dimviii]

Kresta Racing test new Fabia R5

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.532311373589347.1073741872.422181974602288&type=3

[itix]

I know this is just what a lot of people here deem as a silly Photoshop exercise but c'mon, this would be good!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMxcKMKWoAA1Zvf.png

[HaCo]

Wasn't Fiat going to return with the 500x?

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[liposh]

Few (4-5) years ago when idea of R5 cars was mentioned for first time the Fiat company said they are thinking about using Lancia Ypsilon as R5 car. But it was all, just thinking about it and nothing more. Moreover Lancia is dead, isn´t she? (it must be SHE, Lancia is a legend and can´t be called IT) Anyway Fiat 500X is "auto stupido , mamma mia" (sorry I was on vacation in Rome last week and I am still in half italian mode :-D ) I think Fiat 500X is big and it is not proper car for rallying...but Mini Countryman is the same story. ...HaCo, have you really heard something about Fiat 500X from reliable source?

[Mirek]

Is there even somebody left in Fiat who can build it? AFAIK the people responsible for Punto S2000 moved to Lotus to take part in the infamous Exige R-GT story.

[Jack4688`]

This story seems to suggest that some FCA executives want Lancia to make a new Delta Integrale before winding the brand down.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/lancia-delta-integrale-could-return

Though Sergio Marchionne doesn't seem at all interested in doing that. If you ask me if they keep Lancia going they should make a Golf R/A45 AMG/Focus RS rival i.e. a new Delta Integrale and a new Stratos. But then my opinion is worth chuff all.

[Sulland]

Any Swedes that know if there is some movement on the Mitsubishi Mirage project?

[Andre Oliveira]

7 rallies so far : http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=57&title=Mitsubishi-Mirage-R5

[Mirek]

Finnish Hannu´s Rally Team shall have a Fabia R5 for 2016 season.

[N.O.T]

Wasn't Fiat going to return with the 500x?

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yes they are returning since 2000... give them a minute and they will be here...

[Andre Oliveira]

Team FJ too

748

[itix]

Any Swedes that know if there is some movement on the Mitsubishi Mirage project?

Yeah it is national regs only for the moment. It is built to specs but not homologated.

It's second ever rally, first stage went past my parents house so I had a front row seat. It came second overall and was only beaten by an ex works prodrive Subaru.

Dunno how well it would fare in competition with other R5s though. It beat a couple of WRC Fords and Octavias so it can't be too slow.

I have some pictures and some video that I can share when I am not on a satellite connection!

I am not sure what keeps it from homologation though. Three customers in sweden have taken delivery so it must be ready for sale...

[dodge33cymru]

I thought Mitsubishi told them they couldn't homologate it? It would need their permission and they weren't willing to put their stamp on it.

If that is true, it could be the same as the Abu Dhabi deal that they killed a few years ago that recently came (back) to light.

[skarderud]

The Mitsubishi mirage will run in South swedish rally in september. That rally is a part of the norwegian-swedish "nation-battle" together with Norways rally Hedmarken.
Eyvind Brynhildsen, Anders grøndal, Fredrik åhlin and others is doing this rally, so there we have a good match for it.

[Rally Power]

I thought Mitsubishi told them they couldn't homologate it? It would need their permission and they weren't willing to put their stamp on it.


If Mpart AB is going only for national homologation perhaps they just need the help from Mitsubishi Sweden, that seems to be a partner from day one. But it hould be a shame that this little funny car doesn't get a full international FIA homologation.

[Sulland]

The Mitsubishi mirage will run in South swedish rally in september. That rally is a part of the norwegian-swedish "nation-battle" together with Norways rally Hedmarken.
Eyvind Brynhildsen, Anders grøndal, Fredrik åhlin and others is doing this rally, so there we have a good match for it.

Så Skarderud, din Veslehamring 😎, if they will get homologation in Sweden, then it could easier get the same in Norway, could it not. Or would that be believing in Santa Claus??

[skarderud]

I know that atleast 3 drivers in Norway want to by this Mitsubishi, so hopefully the norwegian federation will do something unexpekted;)@

[itix]

What could Mitsubishi possibly gain from not homologating it? It is literally free marketing. Sure if it is uncompetitive they might come in bad light but I still feel like taking part is better than not taking part at all.

After all, their group N evos usually compete in the same classes as the R5s in national competition so they are not exactly in good light already.

If I remember correctly there was a Fiesta R5 in Skilling 500 also. The full start list is not on ewrc so I'd need to check my rally program. In any case it finished second behind a very experienced guy in a Prodrive Subaru (Co driven by my sisters old classmate... Funny how small the world is sometimes) so it can't be that slow.

Is it maybe the same case as the Hyundai team, that there isn't enough production units of it? Or something like that?

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[Mirek]

What could Mitsubishi possibly gain from not homologating it? It is literally free marketing. Sure if it is uncompetitive they might come in bad light but I still feel like taking part is better than not taking part at all.

I don't agree or do You think that the epic fails of MSD with MG or Opel helped the brands somehow? In my opposite it was exactly opposite. MEM with proton managed to get their car on quite competitive level and despite them being cheaper then the competitors they still sold nearly no cars at all as the more expensive competitors had faster and more reliable machines. R5 is very very difficult class to build a competitive machine and You can see that even Peugeot Sport/Citroën Racing failed miserably. You can only dream about some private car being competitive there.

Don't get me wrong. I have absolutely nothing against private teams developing cars but I do understand why manufacturers are very careful to support them. It's a big game and if You want to play it You need to put a lot in. That's why Škoda is where it is (if we speak about R5).

[itix]

I don't agree or do You think that the epic fails of MSD with MG or Opel helped the brands somehow? In my opposite it was exactly opposite. MEM with proton managed to get their car on quite competitive level and despite them being cheaper then the competitors they still sold nearly no cars at all as the more expensive competitors had faster and more reliable machines. R5 is very very difficult class to build a competitive machine and You can see that even Peugeot Sport/Citroën Racing failed miserably. You can only dream about some private car being competitive there.

Don't get me wrong. I have absolutely nothing against private teams developing cars but I do understand why manufacturers are very careful to support them. It's a big game and if You want to play it You need to put a lot in. That's why Škoda is where it is (if we speak about R5).
MSD and MG is a project I don't know anything about. Weren't they involved in the Hyundai Accident WRC? (intentional :) )

Somehow I still believe that it gets the name across... If proton was available for Purchase in sweden and they had still been competing (and did an actual hot hatch) I could consider buying it even though it would not be mega competitive.

I did actually consider buying a 208 GTI because LOOK AT THAT 208 R5, daaaaaaamn! (*drool*) Economy and sense made sure I bought another, newer 206 GTI instead. Citroën DS3 was also considered but their engines are too weak (and the DS3 racing look silly and was a limited run).

If I had taken anything from the ERC and the WRC 2 with me in those considerations, I would have come to the conclusion that 208s run 5 km and then break down, badly. I didn't however because many more factors than pure performance played in.

As a kid I had not heard about neither Skoda not Hyundai but thanks to their WRC participation I subsequently knew about them. I didn't care much for the Accident but I did drool a bit over the Skoda vRS models (after counting my weekly allowance and realising that I'd die before I'd buy a 206 GTI with that aloowance).

Now I am adult and my allowance is bigger so I bought two 206 GTI instead (because ultimately it was better looking and Grönholm is cooler than Roman Kresta!).

I think participating does matter. If I was a kid this summer and saw a Mirage blast past my parents front lawn, I'd be interested! I'd read that rally program that we got in the mailbox a million times over and the car would stick in my memory (because it isn't horribly hideous).

Also Skoda is where they are because the VW wrc team has shared their knowledge with Skoda, I'm sure!

[Mirek]

MSD and MG is a project I don't know anything about. Weren't they involved in the Hyundai Accident WRC? (intentional :) )

Yes, it's the same team.


Somehow I still believe that it gets the name across... If proton was available for Purchase in sweden and they had still been competitive (and did an actual hot hatch) I could consider buying it even though it would not be mega competitive.

I did actually consider buying a 208 GTI because LOOK AT THAT 208 R5, daaaaaaamn! (*drool*) Economy and sense made sure I bought another, newer 206 GTI instead. Citroën DS3 was also considered but their engines are too weak (and the racing look silly).

If I had taken anything from the ERC and the WRC 2 with me in those considerations, I would have come to the conclusion that 208s run 5 km and then break down, badly. I didn't however because many more factors than pure performance played in.

As a kid I had not heard about neither Skoda not Hyundai but thanks to their WRC participation I subsequently knew about them. I didn't care much for the Accident but I did drool a bit over the Skoda vRS models (after counting my weekly allowance and realising that I'd die before I'd buy a 206 GTI with that aloowance).

Now I am adult and my allowance is bigger so I bought two 206 GTI instead (because ultimately it was better looking and Grönholm is cooler than Roman Kresta!).

I think participating does matter. If I was a kid this summer and saw a Mirage blast past my parents front lawn, I'd be interested! I'd read that rally program that we got in the mailbox a million times over and the car would stick in my memory (because it isn't horribly hideous).

Really nice text, thank You for that. I'm sometimes probably too serious to enjoy some dreams and well-meant wishes. It's most likely because I work in car industry and know how it goes there (I don't work in Škoda, actually nearly all my projects were for Ford). I think I won't change and stay skeptical. It has one advantage, You are rarely disappointed :p


Also Skoda is where they are because the VW wrc team has shared their knowledge with Skoda, I'm sure!

Actually it was the opposite way at the beginning of WV WRC adventure. For example the Polo WRC suspension is a near copy-paste of Fabia S2000 modified for Sachs dampers and with suspension travel enlarged to the extreme. Fabia R5 again goes against the trend and has completely different suspension geometry than other cars. Sachs dampers on Fabia R5 are more a case of VAG internal politics as Škoda wanted to stay with Reiger (if I have good information). I guess that there was some cooperation regarding the engine though.

[itix]

Yes, it's the same team.



Really nice text, thank You for that. I'm sometimes probably too serious to enjoy some dreams and well-meant wishes. It's most likely because I work in car industry and know how it goes there (I don't work in Škoda, actually nearly all my projects were for Ford). I think I won't change and stay skeptical. It has one advantage, You are rarely disappointed :p



Actually it was the opposite way at the beginning of WV WRC adventure. For example the Polo WRC suspension is a near copy-paste of Fabia S2000 modified for Sachs dampers and with suspension travel enlarged to the extreme. Fabia R5 again goes against the trend and has completely different suspension geometry than other cars. Sachs dampers on Fabia R5 are more a case of VAG internal politics as Škoda wanted to stay with Reiger (if I have good information). I guess that there was some cooperation regarding the engine though.
Now I need to read about the MG... There can't be stuff I don't know about rallying (the shaaaaame)

That text above is in my opinion why rallying is better marketing proposition than Formula racing. I can't imagine a kid seeing a Mercedes and then reading a car magazine and think wow, I bet that is just as fast as the formula car. They don't even look the same (sorry in advance to any formula racing fans... I have fallen out of love with F1 again so I'm bitter. Third time now and I don't imagine I'll fall back in love anytime soon).

Thanks for the info on VW and Skoda. I learnt something new also today :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Mirage R5 this weekend, 2nd overall (and Mats Jonsson still winning with Escort WRC) : http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=21614&t=Rally-Askersund-2015

[Rallyper]

Jonsson, it is. ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Ups :)

[Rally Power]

Nice result for Johansson and his little Mirage! He managed to beat Friberg's DS3 R5 and his ss times showed a hell of a progression during the rally: http://www.resultatservice.com/rally/2015/ronne_mk/resultat/1result.html

What about the other Mirage (#31, Martin Berglund), did he started?

[Rallyper]

Nice result for Johansson and his little Mirage! He managed to beat Friberg's DS3 R5 and his ss times showed a hell of a progression during the rally: http://www.resultatservice.com/rally/2015/ronne_mk/resultat/1result.html

What about the other Mirage (#31, Martin Berglund), did he started?

According to list of retired cars (brutna) Berglund retired before SS1 for technical reason.

[Rally Power]

Thanks!

[Rally Power]

do You think that the epic fails of MSD with MG or Opel helped the brands somehow? In my opposite it was exactly opposite (...) R5 is very very difficult class to build a competitive machine and You can see that even Peugeot Sport/Citroën Racing failed miserably. You can only dream about some private car being competitive there.

You're being harsh regarding MSD's S2000 efforts.

The MG project was supported by Nanjing, at the time MG brand owner, but Nanjing was then acquired by SAIC (a chinese automotive giant, that previously had buy Rover assets (apart the brand name) and manage to move the industrial tools from Birmingham to China, producing locally the 75 under the name of...Roewe!), and SAIC stopped funding MSD. The few ZR R5 built units were never properly developed and ended in private hands across the UK. https://youtu.be/VdeNpzLEZDM

Then MSD turned to Opel, resurrecting a strong ancient link (back to the Gr.A Astras), but due to GM financial collapse after the US subprime crisis, Opel sport activities were pulverized. Again, lack of development never allow to fulfill the car potential, showed in some IRC and national championships (Germany/Ireland) outings. https://youtu.be/-nKql5B6rsU

I still believe that private tuners can sort a competitive R5 cars, these aren't so technically demanding like you pretend, but obviously manufacturers teams will always get an advantage.

PS: Pug and Citro R5 cars problems seems to be linked with a limitation design of the standard engine block. Regarding the makes bright record in high-tec WRC, we can think they're struggling with R5 regs restrictions!

[Mirek]

I don't think that R5 are so technically demanding but it needs (absolutely needs) and incredible amount of testing to sort everything out. The limitation to some stock part, weight limits for suspension parts etc. make them very very hard to tune to something both fast and somewhat reliable. It's very expensive to run such testing program but it's a must. Also don't forget there is a 3-years old homologation cycle and once You homologate something wrong You are fucked (as the engine block of PSA cars).

You are right that the problem with MSD S2000 projects was that those were underfunded. But that is exactly my point. You can't expect from private projects to have funding like factory ones and that's why there is a high risk they will end similar like those MSD projects.

[Rally Power]

One of the purposes of the Mirage R5 is to be available for Evo's owners at a fraction of the cost of others R5 cars. If Mpart manage to do it, why should anyone criticize them? The car seems to be well sorted and for national purposes it could be a viable option for all those Mitsu supported teams or dealers, tired of rallying old Evos. Having these in mind, for sure Mitsubishi Motors shouldn't be embarrassed to allow the Swedes car international homologation.

R5 market shouldn't be an exclusive of official manufacturers, and for sure there's a space for low-cost cars designed having in mind private drivers needs and aspirations.

[Mirek]

I have never said that R5 shall be an exclusive thing for manufacturers. What I said is that there are very good reasons why Mitsubishi may not want to support the project. You can find of course positives like You named some but there are also negatives like for example those which I named. It's up to Mitsubishi to decide whether they want to be connected with the project or not. In this moment it looks like they don't want to do so.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Mitsubishi it's more about electric cars nowadays. They seem to support a Masuoka effort with a e-Baja car and some efforts on the electric class in Pikes Peak. But as my fellow countryman said, it's a shame, because some good drivers could use the better price (at least announced) to have a R5. I would like to see for example a guy like Adruzilo Lopes in one, since with his old N14 he brings the fight to the guys in S2000 and R5

[Mirek]

It doesn't work like that. If it was the rally world would be flooded with old Puntos S2000, Proton etc. Few years back You could buy a Punto S2000 cheaper than to build a new gr.N car but nobody was buying them. Nobody was even interested to rent them for price lower then good gr.N car (I know one particular case for an IRC rally). Just have a look how quickly the slow cars disappear. Can You today meet a Punto S2000 on stages? Actually they disappeared almost from day to day already several years a go. There were around 70 of them built. How about much faster Fiesta S2000? Few are still around but it's a fraction of their number. There is few Peugeots 207 already and those were the most numerous of all. Even the most developed Fabias S2000 start to disappear.

It has one simple reason. The machines must be competitive. Even a cheap S2000/R5 is expensive enough to become a big money thrown out of the window if it's not competitive. The cheap but non-competitive cars have the only chance to exist - their own class or cups. Otherwise they are bound to fail.

[Rally Power]

A nice video from Rally Askersund: two brief appearances of Johansson's good looking Mirage (2:25 and 9:05), a lot of Volvo's slides and an amazing on the limit recovery (5.19).

https://youtu.be/dL7Rr8V_GAk

[itix]

I have a summer house in eastern sweden close to East Sweden Rally together with mom. We were thinking to go there if she manage to find someone to look after her animals. She got hooked on Rally after the Skilling 500 passed her house hahaha. If I go, I'll try to take pics of the Mirage.

Healthy competition too. Four DS3 R5's and five Fiesta R5's...

[OldF]

I think one problem with the S2000 cars are the running costs that are too high for privateers.

How is it with the rebuilding and periodic maintenance on S2000 and R5 cars? Is it possible for a private team to rebuild the engine and other parts or do they have to send the parts to the manufacturer’s workshop for rebuild?

[Rally Power]

I think only engines must be sent to manus workshop at the specified kms interval. It'll be interesting to know if the Mirage engine maintenance will be less demanding.

[Hartusvuori]

Can You today meet a Punto S2000 on stages?

Occasianally yes: http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Mikkeli+SM-ralli+2014/IMG_2963.jpg Every now and then this Punto is entered in small Finnish events, but for sure it's not competetive anymore.

Interesting fact from last weekend's FRC Turku where Juha Salo was saved by the R5 regulations. It was a two-day event with two night stages run late in Friday evening. On first stage the oil dipstick on Salo's 208 R5 got loose somehow, oil was spilt on the engine bay and it started a fire. Some damages were caused to wiring and other parts of the engine. Also camshaft cover (?) was damaged. The team thought they'd had a spare at their garage back home, but apparently they didn't. They studied the regulations more and found out that this part from a normal road car could be used in the rally car. This is why the team owns one 208 road car and keeps it with them at the rallies. So, a long night ahead for the mechanics, but Salo got to start Day 2 under Rally2 rule with parts of his 208 R5 engine borrowed from a stock car. He was the fastest driver of the day, but the time penalties kept him last in class. He still got few points which could come valuable as only one event left in the championship and Salo's points lead was cut short in Turku. Salo and Vainionpää (in DS3 R5) will decide the championship in Tampere in three weeks time.

[dimviii]

Nasser rolled at Lebanon

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/11990412_10153611704084868_2060469911908215783_n.j pg?oh=4ae38c34845edd728a96ab94d6a96486&oe=566580EF

wasnt a section for Middle East rallies?

[fegh]

Nasser rolled at Lebanon

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/11990412_10153611704084868_2060469911908215783_n.j pg?oh=4ae38c34845edd728a96ab94d6a96486&oe=566580EF

wasnt a section for Middle East rallies?
Yes Rally of Lebanon is part of MERC

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[dimviii]

my bad,was showing me ''last month topics'' only,thats why couldnt find it.Thanks.

[fegh]

my bad,was showing me ''last month topics'' only,thats why couldnt find it.Thanks.
Welcome dimvii, unfortunately the battle between Nasser and Roger Feghali (Fiesta R5) ended early with Nasser roll on ss3.

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[dimviii]

who was faster till ss3?

results link?

[fegh]

who was faster till ss3?

results link?
http://www.rallyoflebanon.com/LiveResults.html#

Nasser won SSS and Roger SS2. Nasser was leading by 4s.

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[fegh]

http://www.rallyoflebanon.com/LiveResults.html#

Nasser won SSS and Roger SS2. Nasser was leading by 4s.

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In all cases it is very hard to beat Roger on Lebanon roads.

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[dimviii]

thanks fegh!

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1533736_1044035042283047_99591442276893735_n.jpg?o h=3f5b1a39263de110c79e6af5ec52a8a9&oe=56657063

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ERC Junior Chris Ingram testing a 208T16 this weekend:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COObGmFWoAA1Lmb.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COObGoTWgAAMPCT.jpg

[Co-driven]

ERC Junior Chris Ingram testing a 208T16 this weekend:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COObGmFWoAA1Lmb.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COObGoTWgAAMPCT.jpg

I think Steve Rokland was also testing the 208 T16.

[Mirek]

A lot of people. Štajf too.

[Jarek Z]

Patrik Johansson and his Mitsubishi R5 took part in the East Sweden Rally on the last weekend. Unfortunately he made it only to the 7th special stage. I don't know what happened there.

Final results of the EAST SWEDEN RALLY:
1. Robin Friberg/Stefan Gustavsson (S) Citroën DS3 R5 1:10.58,2
2. Mats Jonsson/Johnny Johansson (S) Ford Escort WRC +1,5
3. Jerker Axelsson/Mattias Andersson (S) Subaru Impreza WRC S10 +1.24,8
4. Tobias Söderqvist/Joakim Söderqvist (S) Toyota Corolla +2.14,9
5. Ingemar Svensson/Johan Johansson (S) Ford Fiesta RS WRC +2.22,4
6. Joachim Carlström/Jörgen Norman (S) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +2.30,5
7. Kristian Johansson/Fredrik Livh (S) Volkswagen Golf III +2.42,9
8. Patrik Åkerman/Lars Grip (S) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII +3.10,8
9. Erik Telehagen/Björn Jonasson (S) Honda Civic Type-R +3.25,2
10. Sebastian Johansson/Jonas Magnér (S) Ford Fiesta R2 +3.30,7

[Jarek Z]

A lot of people. Štajf too.

So many people? Did the car not break down? ;)

[skarderud]

Eyvind Brynhildsen sold his rrc and buyed a fiesta R5.

[Andre Oliveira]

Juha Salo are selling his 208 T16

[Andre Oliveira]

Eyvind Brynhildsen sold his rrc and buyed a fiesta R5.

Photo? :)

[stefanvv]

http://www.wrchd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/50th-Ford-Fiesta-r5-m-sport.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

That is chassis 50, Al-Ketbi unit

[skarderud]

761

[skarderud]

PX15 HZF is the regplate.
Bad picture, weard since it is a screenshoot.

[Andre Oliveira]

Do you know chassis number? I have info about chassis 125 to Bengt Thorsell (last known).

[skarderud]

Yes, i didn't find the regnumber at ewrc eighter.
I can ask him next weekend If someone dont find out before.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ahah look my signature :) eWRC-results member

[Andre Oliveira]

Fabia R5 #20 to Mark Wallenwein

[Andre Oliveira]

Brynildsen chassis 126

[Rally Power]

Patrik Johansson and his Mitsubishi R5 took part in the East Sweden Rally on the last weekend. Unfortunately he made it only to the 7th special stage. I don't know what happened there.

No other news on Johansson's rally?

[RICARDO75]

Test Corsica with Tidemand and Lappi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRlJLYIf-s4&feature=em-uploademail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v1mt1MlICY&feature=em-uploademail

[Mirek]

Those jumps in the middle of the first video. Wow!

[Jack4688`]

That section of left-right-left-right-left-right-left-right about a minute in made me think of a tarmacced version of Rally New Zealand

[RICARDO75]

Chris Ingram Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSxZ68N9n8&feature=em-uploademail

[Sulland]

Brynildsen chassis 126
126 cars sold. Impressive and a good deal for MSport!

[Andre Oliveira]

A few were only shells to rebuilt damaged cars, one (at least) to Stohl RX spare, and many with gravel and tarmac kit :) R5+ and R5 2l units too

[Simmi]

Chris Ingram Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSxZ68N9n8&feature=em-uploademail

Anyone know more about this test? Don't think it was just Ingram. Mattias Adielsson said he was also going to be testing the T16. Any other ERC Junior guys there?

[Andre Oliveira]

Marco Cid (P) too

[Mirek]

There were plenty of people there. I know also about Rokland or Štajf but for sure there was more of them.

[JUF]

There were plenty of people there. I know also about Rokland or Štajf but for sure there was more of them.
Mitropa Rally Cup champion Manuel Kössler was also there.

[sindroms]

Anyone know more about this test? Don't think it was just Ingram. Mattias Adielsson said he was also going to be testing the T16. Any other ERC Junior guys there?

Ralfs Sirmacis was there too.

[Simmi]

Will be interesting to see what Peugeot do next year then. Lots of talent seemingly being evaluated. Can see Breen moving on. It's supposed to be an 'Academy' after all.

[Jarek Z]

Will be interesting to see what Peugeot do next year then. Lots of talent seemingly being evaluated. Can see Breen moving on. It's supposed to be an 'Academy' after all.

But moving on where? I don't mind Breen staying in the ERC. He's a good driver and interesting personality.

[tommeke_B]

But moving on where? I don't mind Breen staying in the ERC. He's a good driver and interesting personality.

3rd driver at Hyundai in WRC? ;)

[EightGear]

3rd driver at Hyundai in WRC? ;)
You're kidding, right? :)

[dimviii]

You're kidding, right? :)

i hope he is kidding.

[PLuto]

Anyone know more about this test? Don't think it was just Ingram. Mattias Adielsson said he was also going to be testing the T16. Any other ERC Junior guys there?

It was test day offered to lot of potential customers for the future...

[TWRC]

It was test day offered to lot of potential customers for the future...
So that indicates that they will be able to sort the problems out for next year? If not, I fear most of them will stay potential customers...

[Andre Oliveira]

According autosport.pt, Bergkvist could debut Opel Corsa R5 at Valais.

[Mirek]

You mean the car which nobody has ever seen?

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes :) i don't believe on that.

Any place, any time, one man behind tree with a phone could record a test. No photos/videos....

[mousti]

It will be interested though what R5 car he will use on Valais..

[Rally Power]

According autosport.pt, Bergkvist could debut Opel Corsa R5 at Valais.

http://autosport.pt/opel-estreia-corsa-r5-em-valais=f138650

Really weird...they're saying Bergkvist will be at Valais with the Corsa but don't say how (as 0 car? presenting a mock up model? testing after the rally?). At the same time it's said the Corsa R5 will be homologated in early 2016.

Autosport.pt got a trusty info about Hyundai's R5 project...it'd be great to see this one also coming true!

[Jarek Z]

What do you mean guys? Are there more photos of a UFO than Opel Corsa R5? ;)

http://www.ufocasebook.com/rhodeIsland1967.jpg

[liposh]

Testing mule with old S2000 chassis (the car must still exist) and 1,6T engine is possible...but as you all already mentioned it has to be the very beginning of the whole process. And homologation in the early 2016 is definitelly not possible.

Hyundai R5 is much more real, but also in the beginning of whole process. But the process will be faster, because they can borrow few things from bigger sister i20 WRC. When can we expect the homologation of Hyundai R5?

[Rallyper]

It will be interested though what R5 car he will use on Valais..

Probably Skoda.

[Mirek]

Do You have some information supporting that claim? I haven't heard anything. Just asking...

[JAM]

Autosport.pt got a trusty info about Hyundai's R5 project...it'd be great to see this one also coming true!

Are you talking about the one they published in July copied form the autosport.com?

[Mirek]

Hyundai R5 was a kind of public secret for more than a year before it was announced but if I remember since June (Ypres rally) it has existed even officially (confirmed by Alain Penasse).

[JAM]

Hyundai R5 was a kind of public secret for more than a year before it was announced but if I remember since June (Ypres rally) it has existed even officially (confirmed by Alain Penasse).

It was confirmed in May during the Rally of Portugal by Michel Nadan in person:

http://www.sportmotores.com/portal/!site.go?publishing=332&p=332.20055&id=42472

[Rallyper]

Do You have some information supporting that claim? I haven't heard anything. Just asking...

Some more but cant tell yet.

[Andre Oliveira]

@E_Brynildsen: Say hello to my new #SkodaR5 killer. The latest Ford Fiesta R5 chassie from @MSportLtd First test tomorrow! Ready :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COuxyk8W8AAqHIJ.jpg:large

[RS]

@E_Brynildsen: Say hello to my new #SkodaR5 killer. The latest Ford Fiesta R5 chassie from @MSportLtd First test tomorrow! Ready :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COuxyk8W8AAqHIJ.jpg:large

Why does he say that? Is it a new evolution?

[Rally Power]

Are you talking about the one they published in July copied form the autosport.com?

No, I'm talking about the info on Hyundai's R5 program they got by chance from a talk with Al-Attyah. It was published in last Oct or Nov.

[skarderud]

Why does he say that? Is it a new evolution?
Eyvind is always like that, go out high:)
He said before this season that he is going to win 7 out of 7 races in the norwegian championship, he leads with 5 out of 7, and 2 rallies left!

[Rally Power]

A nice video from South Swedish Rally, with some Mirage R5 action.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOzFPb0Sxo

[Ounin]

Don't know if this is already mentioned on another thread here, but I just read that the Corsa R5 will make its debut at Valais, can anybody confirm this (my French is terrible):
http://www.rallye-passion.be/2015/09/14/opel-pourrait-arriver-avec-la-corsa-r5-au-rallye-du-valais/
If true great news.

[Martins Tolks]

Those are quite poor quality renders, nothing more. And google translated french says nothing more than rumors.
I don't really believe they could manage to keep R5 development in such secrecy that there is no spy photos and no info about testing and so on.
So, now it looks more like publicity stunt. If there will be actual car I will be very surprised.

[br21]

there is no Opel R5, project was postponed. no such car in Valais for sure

[JAM]

No, I'm talking about the info on Hyundai's R5 program they got by chance from a talk with Al-Attyah. It was published in last Oct or Nov.

It was a lucky info, because in an interview about Dakar, Nasser told more than we was authorized for about the Hyundai projects :D

[Sulland]

According autosport.pt, Bergkvist could debut Opel Corsa R5 at Valais.

Not sure if has already benn posted in english translation:
https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fautosport.pt%2Fgen.pl%3Fp%3Dstories %26op%3Dview%26fokey%3Das.stories%2F138650&edit-text=

[liposh]

Some more but cant tell yet.

Hmm ...in fact it sounds logical. Looking forward to hear more.

[br21]

btw. Hyundai R5 project also postponed as they are behind the schedule with their new WRC car development.

[pantealex]

btw. Hyundai R5 project also postponed as they are behind the schedule with their new WRC car development.

They said today at i20 WRC presentation: R5 is available to customers 2016

[JUF]

They said today at i20 WRC presentation: R5 is available to customers 2016
Yes, it's actually earlier than expected. Some months ago Nandan said that Hyundai wants to offer it in 2017. It seems like they're even faster with the development.

[JUF]

there is no Opel R5, project was postponed. no such car in Valais for sure Correct. Jörg Schrott explained in June that they will start with the development not earlier than 2017. In the upcoming year Opel will concentrate on the existing projects (+TCR-car and possibly RX-Supercar).

[JAM]

Yes, it's actually earlier than expected. Some months ago Nandan said that Hyundai wants to offer it in 2017. It seems like they're even faster with the development.

I never saw Nadan saying that the car would be ready only in 2017. I heard form Nadan himself in May that the project was running and the car would be ready in the beggining of 2016.

And one of the main work to be done was to build all the structure to costumers support.

[br21]

In my opinion R5 from Hyundai not earlier than mid 2016, but more likely in 2017...

[RICARDO75]

Also never heard news from Proton. I think it was PG Andersson to talk about a development for a R5 car and then Oliver Mellors was on the Coppermines Grizedale Stages Rally in November 2014, on Proton Satria with a turbo-charged Renault engine.

[JUF]

At Rally Argentina in April he said it will be avaliable in 2017, in July it was said that it could be possible already in mid-2016 ;).

[Rally Power]

Probably due to the net echos, Opel Motorsport has denied the autosport.pt scoop and reinforce that the R5 program was postponed. Still, autosport.pt claims their sources revealed that the R5 Corsa project is moving!
http://autosport.pt/opel-motorsport-nega-que-corsa-r5-se-va-estrear-a-curto-prazo=f138680

So, with Hyundai busy rallying their new WRC car (and developing the 2017 version) and Opel deferring their Corsa project, it seems that there won't be any new R5 car in 2016 (just the Joker Fiesta). Unless Mitsu gives a yes to the swedish Mirage!

[PLuto]

Hyundai R5 car will start in 2016. Development of Opel R5 is still in progress, but will not start so early (end of this year).

[RhysCad]

I think Chris Ingram will be entering WRC Wales Rally GB in a Peugeot 208 T16 R5. On the entry list for the Cambrian Rally (using it as a pre WRC Wales test) he is entered in a Peugeot 208 under the "B14" class so it must be an R5 car.bSo I'm assuming that he will be entered by Peugeot UK or Academy, and maybe WRC 2/ERC campaign next year?

[PLuto]

I think Chris Ingram will be entering WRC Wales Rally GB in a Peugeot 208 T16 R5. On the entry list for the Cambrian Rally (using it as a pre WRC Wales test) he is entered in a Peugeot 208 under the "B14" class so it must be an R5 car.bSo I'm assuming that he will be entered by Peugeot UK or Academy, and maybe WRC 2/ERC campaign next year?

I think that there is chance for campaing in R5 car next year...

[Jarek Z]

I think that there is chance for campaing in R5 car next year...

Good luck to him, but is there any chance that Ingram will be any better than Charles Martin or Stephane Lefebvre?

[tommeke_B]

Good luck to him, but is there any chance that Ingram will be any better than Charles Martin or Stephane Lefebvre?

Better than Lefebvre, I don't think so... About Charles Martin, he has had only very few chances so far to really show his potential, let's hope something will follow for him after this season. I think Martin is a really good driver (in French 208 cup he was quite equal in speed to Camilli but had a much more brutal way of driving, very impressive to see). For Ingram there's probably some more private funding behind it which makes this possible.

[Jarek Z]

Skoda Fabia R5 for the first time in the Polish championship. Grzegorz Grzyb (currently 3rd in the championship) will drive this car on Rally Nadwislanski. He appears with Ford Fiesta on the entry list, but he will drive Skoda. The RUFA Team's car will come from Wevers Sport.

Entry list of the 6th round of Polish championship can be found here:
http://media.wix.com/ugd/baa4a0_640a700da8074661affe78e5806c0071.pdf

[Jarek Z]

Grzyb seems to be happy with his new car :)

https://www.facebook.com/supercarpl/photos/pb.265436170224572.-2207520000.1442480673./689082321193286/?type=1
https://www.facebook.com/supercarpl/photos/pb.265436170224572.-2207520000.1442480673./689082201193298/?type=1
https://www.facebook.com/supercarpl/photos/pb.265436170224572.-2207520000.1442480673./689082157859969/?type=1

[Jack4688`]

I'd like to see him in the BRC next year with support from Peugeot UK

[Andre Oliveira]

With such rules, Mr Wilson will sell a lot of Fiesta R5 to BRC:)

[manthey]

With such rules, Mr Wilson will sell a lot of Fiesta R5 to BRC:)

I don't know about BRC regulation, can you briefly explain why with such rules will be easier for m-sport?thanks

[Andre Oliveira]

BRC1: FIA R5, S2000, RRC, Group R4 (VR4). Example makes are Citroen, Ford, Peugeot, Skoda, Mitsubishi R4, Subaru R4

BRC RGT: An exciting class that is currently lead by the Porsche and the awesome sound that comes with it.

BRC2: his is for the current FIA Grp N class and for ASN homologation extended Grp N cars over 2000cc.

BRC Junior: For drivers under 26 years of age in R2 homologated cars, competing for a prize fund to assist the following year‘s campaign.

BRC3: FIA R3 cars that has been dominated by Citroen‘s DS3 in the past but which also includes the Toyota GT86 and Renault Clio.

BRC4: For competitors with R2 cars that aren’t eligible for BRC Junior, this is the home for them.

BRC5: The starting step for homologated rallying and the FIA R1 class of cars.

National: Open to all cars with a current MSA Rally Car Log Book. The same events as the BRC but no recce on the gravel rounds.

[Simmi]

With such rules, Mr Wilson will sell a lot of Fiesta R5 to BRC:)

I think the only 3 BRC1 cars confirmed so far are Fiestas. Not sure if anyone has a list. The BRC section of the forum is dead.

Andre - maybe you already know but the car used by Katjo in Barum will go to Rhys Yates in the BRC next year.

[Andre Oliveira]

Readed something about polish car, but there are many Fiesta R5 at Poland :) so Kajto will use other car at Cyprus

[Jarek Z]

Skoda R5 for Grzyb is ready. The first special stage in a new car - Saturday at 14:28 :)

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201509/news20150917_63567h.jpg