Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Vaggelis27]

Very very fast!


http://youtu.be/s2b2c4Wbc-A

R5 or R3?

[Mirek]

R3 with R5 engine.

[Kielder]

Breen testing the 208 R5 on tarmac:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tyiPoKbwPs&feature=youtu.be

[A FONDO]

The sound is very promising :) Cant wait for this and the Fiesta to invade the stages

[Jack4688`]

I just hope the British Championship adopts them - the BRC would be worth watching again!

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfWcBPd9-IA

[Mirek]

I love the car! Great look, great sound, enough power for spectacle and that's present already in the very start of the R5 days. Can't wait to see it live! :)

[Juha_Koo]

Very nice package. :) Looks sexy as hell, great sound and seems very dynamic.

[Sulland]

Wooooow, the 208 sounds like a real competition car. Rare with turbo, looks like they have gotten close with the R5 specs.


Any film of the Skoda R5 mule yet?
Smart of Skoda to start testing now, the long test periode was a huge success for the s2000 Fabia!

[A FONDO]

Accelereation out of tight corners seems very poor to me, maybe on par with atm. S2000s from 2010. Sure it is mapped conservatively for extended tests and will be improved in future, but now I am unsure would it reach RRC performance.

[BOZIANracing]

Sound reminds me of the early Octavia WRC, especially on acceleration. Looks like a neat package

[dimviii]

Accelereation out of tight corners seems very poor to me, maybe on par with atm. S2000s from 2010. Sure it is mapped conservatively for extended tests and will be improved in future, but now I am unsure would it reach RRC performance.
yes it seems to me too that has a lack of torque out of slow corners,but is very early and dont forget the absence of antilag in a small motor.Sound and looks are brilliant!

[Sulland]

Accelereation out of tight corners seems very poor to me, maybe on par with atm. S2000s from 2010. Sure it is mapped conservatively for extended tests and will be improved in future, but now I am unsure would it reach RRC performance.

That is like the S2000, and will put more on the drivers skills - that in my book is good !

[Mirek]

yes it seems to me too that has a lack of torque out of slow corners,but is very early and dont forget the absence of antilag in a small motor.Sound and looks are brilliant!

I think that the appearance You talk about has a lot to do with only 5-speed gearbox.

[dimviii]

I think that the appearance You talk about has a lot to do with only 5-speed gearbox.

play big role the absence of antilag, in a small motor that cant create enough gases to spool the turbo at low revs.

think we havent see this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TK5p-9oCFfQ

[Mirek]

play big role the absence of antilag, in a small motor that cant create enough gases to spool the turbo at low revs

That's definitely true. Is ALS forbidden by the rules or only is not present yet? I know there were talks about some "green" steps in regulation and banning anti-lag is sure the most logical step in that way (I don't say I like it).

[tolis]

Jourdan Serderidis is testing the Fiesta R5 in Cockermouth today!

[Mirek]

Also Jan Šlehofer who is there instead of Jan Sýkora whose car it would be (Sýkora is doing recce of Rally Krkonoše today).

[dimviii]

That's definitely true. Is ALS forbidden by the rules or only is not present yet? I know there were talks about some "green" steps in regulation and banning anti-lag is sure the most logical step in that way (I don't say I like it).

dont know but i wouldn t like to be forbidden.Helps a lot.

[tommeke_B]

Without ALS the drivers will have to go on the throttle sooner, we'll see more left-foot braking etc. More demanding for the driver without ALS, and after all, that's what it should be all about. :) Of course the sound of a car with agressive ALS is nice to hear... :)

[makinen_fan]

Probably ALS is not forbidden, just absent in the 208? The videos of the Fiesta R5 it appears that it has ALS, listen to this:
Ford Fiesta R5 - Gravel Testing - Matthew Wilson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFobkKIvqyU)

Probably Peugeot still has not fully developed their system? Or maybe do not run in testing to save the engine?

[RS]

play big role the absence of antilag, in a small motor that cant create enough gases to spool the turbo at low revs.


That's no excuse, my Skoda Rapid 1.2TSI delivers maximum torque from 1500RPM without antilag ;)

At the moment the 208 looks no better than an S2000 car for low down torque, but maybe they still have some evolutions to come on the engine.

It sounds good, but I would like to hear it using more of the rev range.

[Mirek]

Probably ALS is not forbidden, just absent in the 208? The videos of the Fiesta R5 it appears that it has ALS, listen to this:
Ford Fiesta R5 - Gravel Testing - Matthew Wilson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFobkKIvqyU)

Probably Peugeot still has not fully developed their system? Or maybe do not run in testing to save the engine?

Thanks, interesting that when I tried several Fiesta R5 videos those were always without anti-lag too but here in that Yours it is. Probably really not developed yet.


That's no excuse, my Skoda Rapid 1.2TSI delivers maximum torque from 1500RPM without antilag ;)

Your TSI turbo is designed for completely different way of working. How useful would that TSI turbo be for the engine at 7500 rpm, what do You think?

[dimviii]

That's no excuse, my Skoda Rapid 1.2TSI delivers maximum torque from 1500RPM without antilag ;)

.

its very easy to create boost at 1500rpm with a small turbo that at 5000 rpm will not be able to hold 2+ bar boo0st. ;)

[dimviii]

Probably ALS is not forbidden, just absent in the 208? The videos of the Fiesta R5 it appears that it has ALS, listen to this:
Ford Fiesta R5 - Gravel Testing - Matthew Wilson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFobkKIvqyU)

Probably Peugeot still has not fully developed their system? Or maybe do not run in testing to save the engine?

probably not fully developed.Lets wait to see next videos at next evolution steps.

[RS]

Your TSI turbo is designed for completely different way of working. How useful would that TSI turbo be for the engine at 7500 rpm, what do You think?

Not very, but these R5 cars don't sound like they are going to be in that rev range very much, apart from at top speed in 5th gear. Surely with only 5 gears the low down torque becomes more important?

[mousti]

Kruuda is also present on the Fiesta R5 testday.

[PLuto]

Kruuda is also present on the Fiesta R5 testday.

He will be one of the first owners of Fiesta R5...

[Kielder]

Kruuda is also present on the Fiesta R5 testday.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMK5iZsCMAEeDnN.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Andreucci testing 208
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151618154863431.1073741828.283672888430&type=3

<a href="https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151618154863431.1073741828.283672888430&t ype=3" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Bicgfhqxo&feature=player_embedded (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151618154863431.1073741828.283672888430&type=3)

[Kielder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NniMIa8ft5w

[tolis]

So far, we've heard about Fiesta R5:
Aksa
Kruuda
Evans
Serderidis

Anyone else?

[wwbroe]

So far, we've heard about Fiesta R5:
Aksa
Kruuda
Evans
Serderidis

Anyone else?

I tought Jan Sykora also ordered one Fiesta R5? And in Belgium there are rumours that Cracco bought a Fiesta R5 also.

[Sulland]

DMack Autotek has one for Brynildsen as far as I have heard. Debut in Finland.

[Mirek]

Two Fiesta R5 are going to Czech republic. One for Sýkora as already mentioned, second one is secret ;)

[HaCo]

Andreucci testing 208
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151618154863431.1073741828.283672888430&type=3

<a href="https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151618154863431.1073741828.283672888430&t ype=3" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Bicgfhqxo&feature=player_embedded (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151618154863431.1073741828.283672888430&type=3)

Anyone knows where this test was?

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[Kielder]

Anyone knows where this test was?

Verstuurd van mijn ARCHOS 80G9 met Tapatalk

It was at the road access to the sanctuary of Notre Dame des Anges in Pignans (Var deparment).

[Kalm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMK5iZsCMAEeDnN.jpg:large

Just to clarify: guy posing in front of the car is Timmu Kõrge, he also tested the R5, you can see Kruuda standing behind the car, holding his head :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Galli testing Fiesta too. Source rally74r (https://www.facebook.com/rally74r)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/997031_194076600748788_996099891_n.jpg

[tolis]

Galli testing Fiesta too. Source rally74r (https://www.facebook.com/rally74r)

I cannot believe he is Galli...He has changed very much!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996656_194076924082089_189117196_n.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

I have the same impression.

[MartijnS]

Is that really him???

[OldF]

Nice looking and sounding cars. At least it’s not bothering me if the revs are not as high as WRC cars revs. Imo the sound of the R5 cars are more raw and full-bodied comared to the WRC cars.

Here (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/05/25/fiesta-r5-confirmed-for-full-debut-in-finland) it’s said that 20 cars have been ordered so far (26.5.2013).

“The 20 customers who have placed orders for M-Sport’s all-new Ford Fiesta R5 so far will get a taste of the car’s pace on Rally Finland in early August.”

Many of them are still hiding.

[rallye-vid]

It's not "our" Gigi Galli - no way.

http://cdn-8.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/600000/670000/676000/676800/676868/s1_1.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Source (https://twitter.com/fernandoalbes)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMf3Or2CEAASjaL.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

First 6 bodyshell

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMf4D7dCcAAlFgH.jpg:large (https://twitter.com/fernandoalbes/status/344516642895720448)

[Mirek]

Source (https://twitter.com/fernandoalbes)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMf3Or2CEAASjaL.jpg:large

Oppa Abarth style :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Hope the Fiesta WRC appears with new front soon...

[Mirek]

In January if I'm not mistaken.

[Andre Oliveira]

Peugeot 208 R5 Test - Paolo Andreucci 2013, more here (http://www.ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=11005&t=Peugeot-208-R5-Test-Paolo-Andreucci-2013)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMj11JzCQAAhuk0.jpg:large

[Jarek Z]

It was at the road access to the sanctuary of Notre Dame des Anges in Pignans (Var deparment).

Smart move! Peugeot engineers are trying to have God on their side ;)

[A FONDO]

Peugeot 208 R5 Test - Paolo Andreucci 2013, more here (http://www.ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=11005&t=Peugeot-208-R5-Test-Paolo-Andreucci-2013)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMj11JzCQAAhuk0.jpg:large

They aren't going to change the bumper, are they? :uhoh:

[EightGear]

World Rally Championship - News - Wilson: New R5 a big step forward (http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-new-r5-a-big-step-forward/?fid=18654)

So, €180.000,- in the end according to this article. Is that realistic?

Edit: Reading the acticle, Wilson says the FIA has frozen the prices until 2015.

[tommeke_B]

That's the kit-price if I'm not mistaken. When it's built the price-tag will have a bigger number. ;)

[EightGear]

That's the kit-price if I'm not mistaken. When it's built the price-tag will have a bigger number. ;)

Aha, that's exactly where I was afraid of.

[Mirek]

Well, the price You can buy the car for is only a part of the issue. In my opinion much more important is the running cost which is just crazy for RRC.

By the way krum Donchev is said to be another future Fiesta R5 owner.

[Mirek]

That's the kit-price if I'm not mistaken. When it's built the price-tag will have a bigger number. ;)

There was a rumor here about cca 200 thousand for finished Fiesta so it may be right.

[Andre Oliveira]

Source (https://twitter.com/fernischumi/status/344838618721955841/photo/1)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMkc5Y5CMAAmTcb.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

Source: Ruben Perez (https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/344860729884676096/photo/1)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMkxAbZCEAAp_sI.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Craig Breen 208T16 tarmac test:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0uhGR5pCA&feature=player_embedded

Maiden asphalt run

The team in charge of the Peugeot 208 T16’s development spent five days (June 3-7) in southern France’s Maures Mountains where they put Peugeot Sport’s new R5 challenger through its paces on asphalt for the very first time.


Ireland’s Craig Breen and the experienced Italian Paolo Andreucci took turns behind the wheel to validate its basic sealed-surface technical specification. Both drivers were swift to report the exceptional potential of the Peugeot 208 T16 and confirm that the spearhead of Peugeot Sport’s customer competition programme is a well-sorted machine.


Craig Breen and Paolo Andreucci have different driving styles, so their words not only under pinned the versatility of the new Peugeot 208 T16 but also brought Peugeot Sport’s engineers a significant amount of varied information and data.


Next stop: Ypres


Following last week’s fruitful run, the Peugeot 208 T16 will shortly take the start of its first rally as opening car at the end of the month in Ypres, home of the next round of the FIA European Rally Championship. Briton Kris Meeke will have the privilege of being the first driver to take part in an actual event, with Chris Patterson sitting alongside as co-driver.


“Nothing can replace actually ‘competing’, but the chief aim of our run in Ypres will be to take our development programme forward and collect more data. Then we will be able to start to think about the final specification of the 208 T16 which is due to be homologated at the end of the year, ” says Peugeot Sport Director Bruno Famin.


“Thanks to the feedback we received from Craig Breen and Paolo Andreucci, we intend to make a number of modifications which Kris Meeke and our technical squad will follow in Ypres. The objective, of course, will be to get as many kilometres on the car’s clock as possible in ‘real’ rally conditions. The ERC’s promoter and the organisers of the Ypres Rally have kindly provided us with a great opportunity. The event will be the car’s first public appearance on its favourite hunting ground… Like our rivals, we started from a blank sheet of paper after carefully studying the R5 regulations. They meet the demand of drivers and teams alike for a car which delivers higher performance compared to an S2000 but which is also cheaper to buy and run.”


The next step in the promising, if fledgling career of the Peugeot 208 T16 will consequently be Belgium’s Ypres Rally on June 27-29.


Quotes…


Alexis Avril (208 T16 Development Manager): “It was very important to work with drivers with different driving styles and on roads which represented different challenges. Our work focus essentially on the car’s suspension, brakes and differential settings which all need to be specific to asphalt. We were able to try different parts and set-up options. We didn’t come across any major surprises, on the contrary, but there are some area that will require work in the next few weeks, even though the drivers were globally happy with the new car’s overall package in asphalt trim.”


Craig Breen: “It was very interesting to be the first person to drive the Peugeot 208 T16 on asphalt. It certainly feels competitive. Personally, though, I will need to accustom myself with the turbo which is a big change compared with the Peugeot 207 S2000, especially on asphalt. Everything about the car is new and, the more we work on it, the more we realise how much potential it really has…”

[Mirek]

Tsjoen (Fabia) and Delecour (207) already on the list too. Nice last minute entries!

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/945918_476819315731462_377062345_n.jpg

[pantealex]

M-Sport says that they have sold 18 R5´s
source: iRally

[Sardalense]

So far, we've heard about Fiesta R5:
Aksa
Kruuda
Evans
Serderidis

Anyone else?

Tamrazov ordered one. Source: Bernardo Sousa.

[Andre Oliveira]

Great, maybe we could see Bernardo with one :)

[miniwintz]

Lukyanuk also ? Any news on the rumors about latvian team ASRT ?

[Co-driven]

Heard a rumour that 2 or 3 drivers from Paraguay are interested in the Fiesta R5. They are really close the deal, if they hadn't already done it.

[sindroms]

Lukyanuk also ? Any news on the rumors about latvian team ASRT ?

ASRT team has confirmed that they are going to purchase two R5 cars. But in same time it sounded like they don't want to rush things by grabbing first available R5 in market.
Regarding Lukyanuk - there is chance/plans to see him in NORF on Evo X and next year in full ERC campaign as well. Of course, neither of it is 100% sure.

[tolis]

Fiesta R5 for Al Ketbi... gulftoday.ae | Skydive Dubai Rally Team drivers Ketbi and Hepperle ready for Rally d (http://gulftoday.ae/portal/dec248fc-4ce9-4063-9815-ebf79dd21cc8.aspx)

[OldF]

How is the mapping going to be with the R5 cars?

Here (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102681) a “source” says:

"The idea is that this car can be taken away to Peru, South Africa, Australia, anywhere and just driven without the need for an engineer."

and here (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102867) M-Sport's commercial director John Steele says:

“It is intended that this car will be able to be used in regional series with the minimum amount of technical support from the engineers here."

Does this mean that the mapping is the same all the time or are there different options for different rallies to be downloaded to the ECU by someone?

Looking at the Citroen DS3 R3T DS3 R3 kit rates (http://boutique.citroenracing.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/349/50a61175d179d.pdf) mapping options, there’s only options for different fuels or some intervention done by a Citroen engineer (during a rally or as a separate request).

How about the engine rebuilding? Is it going to be possible to be done by a team’s mechanics or has it to be done by the car developer’s mechanics, for example M-Sport (as I think they would wish to be the case because of more revenue)?

Who is doing the engine rebuilding of the Citroen DS3 RT3 engines, the team or Citroen Racing?

[br21]

I think mapping will be the same all the time, only different options for different fuels. Same like it is with S2000 ECUs - those from R5 should also be locked.
Different will be manufacturer, in Fiesta S2000 that is Pectel-Cosworth, in R5 it will be LifeRacing. Also wiring will be cheaper - cheaper wires, connectors, etc.
I don't know about engine rebuilds in R5. In S2000 they are mostly done by M-Sport.

[OldF]

Thanks br21. :)

[Gordini]

Is Renault building R5?

[PLuto]

I think mapping will be the same all the time, only different options for different fuels. Same like it is with S2000 ECUs - those from R5 should also be locked.
Different will be manufacturer, in Fiesta S2000 that is Pectel-Cosworth, in R5 it will be LifeRacing. Also wiring will be cheaper - cheaper wires, connectors, etc.
I don't know about engine rebuilds in R5. In S2000 they are mostly done by M-Sport.

According to info from M-Sport reubilds will be after 2000 kms and it is only one part of car which cannot be rebuild by team themselves.

[br21]

According to info from M-Sport reubilds will be after 2000 kms and it is only one part of car which cannot be rebuild by team themselves.

Aha, so same like with S2000, only 500kms more between rebuilds.

[tommeke_B]

Aha, so same like with S2000, only 500kms more between rebuilds.From what I know top-S2000's had 600km between rebuilds (very last engines). Most "common" used at Peugeot have 1200km between rebuilds. So it is quite a difference. :)

[Mad cat jnr]

Arent the DS3R3 engines rebuilt by Oreca only?

[noel157]

Is Renault building R5?

If not they should be.....

[PLuto]

From what I know top-S2000's had 600km between rebuilds (very last engines). Most "common" used at Peugeot have 1200km between rebuilds. So it is quite a difference. :)

I think that top-S2000 is also Fabia and it has more than 600kms between rebuilds...

[br21]

From what I know top-S2000's had 600km between rebuilds (very last engines). Most "common" used at Peugeot have 1200km between rebuilds. So it is quite a difference. :)

Peugeot had in one engine evolution those 600kms, now it's way more again, I think they changed pistons or sth. similar and rebuild period is now quite acceptable. In Fiesta it's 1500kms, in Fabia I don't know exact figures, but surely way more than 600kms

[Mirek]

600 km was a case of Peugeot S2000 engine.

Anyway it also matters how much the rebuild costs. For example Fiesta RRC and Fabia or Peugeot S2000 are in same class but engine rebuild of the RRC is 3-4x more expensive.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Is Renault building R5?

According to Autosport Portugal, (in last october) they said they will build a R5 car, but not was ever heard on that matter again. Pablo Macchi wrote in his facebook that they will have a R5 and a Maxi Rally (argentina top rally car) as well! Let's wait for it
:)

[OldF]

Still some way to go to achieve the 3000-5000 km durability which at least Peugeot Sport (http://www.peugeot-sport.com/en/rallye/news-1022-la-208-type-r5-se-devoile-au-mondial-de-paris-29-09-14-10-.html) is aiming for.

An increase of the rebuilding interval from 1500 km to 2000 km don’t look so big at the first look but it mean a reduction of the rebuilding cost by 25%/km assuming same rebuilding cost as the Fiesta S2000.

The interval could be bigger of course.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Still some way to go to achieve the 3000-5000 km durability which at least Peugeot Sport (http://www.peugeot-sport.com/en/rallye/news-1022-la-208-type-r5-se-devoile-au-mondial-de-paris-29-09-14-10-.html) is aiming for.

An increase of the rebuilding interval from 1500 km to 2000 km don’t look so big at the first look but it mean a reduction of the rebuilding cost by 25%/km assuming same rebuilding cost as the Fiesta S2000.

The interval could be bigger of course.

And for a little championship like we have in Portugal 500 km it's almost a new season! 5 rallys with less than 100 km a season, you can do 4 instead of 3! That is money saving

[polo10]

And for a little championship like we have in Portugal 500 km it's almost a new season! 5 rallys with less than 100 km a season, you can do 4 instead of 3! That is money saving

Don t Forget that, probably every driver that will buy a R5 will do at least one of the 3 Big Ralis,and you are also missing the km from the tests, aren't you?
That is not as you are writing

[tolis]

Motortune Racing from Lebanon ordered a Fiesta R5. It'll make the debut in Rally of Lebanon!

[TheFlyingTuga]

Don t Forget that, probably every driver that will buy a R5 will do at least one of the 3 Big Ralis,and you are also missing the km from the tests, aren't you?
That is not as you are writing

polo10, you're right, I forgot the testing (my face is red know). And you're probably right about one of the 3Big ones as well, but they are not mandatory...! Even so, the car will last longer than a S2000!

Just out of curiosity... your polo is a skoda know ;) ???

[Juha_Koo]

Watching Ypres test footage (Ford&Pug), apparently R5 does not have the impact foams in the doors?

[noel157]

Reports that Prodrive staff are over in the Ypres service park looking at the R5s.
Nothing to speculate about the news, unfortunately.....

[Sulland]

[attachment=1:2c66y3jg]Ford-Fiesta-RRC-Eyvind-Brynildsen-460x250.jpg[/attachment:2c66y3jg]
Brynildsen's R5

[RS]

Don't know if this has been reported already but Meeke said the 208 won't be homologated until 1st January 2014. He made great emphasis that there is still work to do on the engine.

It seems that Skoda can do the same again and do loads of testing and not homologate until they have the best car again :)

[noel157]

Don't know if this has been reported already but Meeke said the 208 won't be homologated until 1st January 2014. He made great emphasis that there is still work to do on the engine.

It seems that Skoda can do the same again and do loads of testing and not homologate until they have the best car again :)

Skoda will be late into R5 with the new shape Fabia so Ford and Peugeot will have a head start.

[RS]

Skoda will be late into R5 with the new shape Fabia so Ford and Peugeot will have a head start.

Didn't hurt them with the S2000..

[noel157]

Didn't hurt them with the S2000..

True.
Suppose Fiat had a head start too.
But it is a pity that Skoda will not debut early next season, would certainly make things very interesting.
Renault and Toyota eventually too would be good.

[noel157]

Anybody know if this guy Boullier is any good?

From: Ypres ERC: Freddy Loix on course for eighth victory - ERC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108416)

"Hunting down Bryan Bouffier for second has not proved so simply.

After Breen initially carved into his fellow Peugeot driver's advantage, Boullier began to inch away again, bringing the gap back up to half a minute."

"Simply"?

[Sulland]

Any timings from Ypres for the R5's?

[OldF]

Here is what I found.

Julian Porter ‏@The_Rally_Guru (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru)3m (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/350551365786939392) Completely unofficial but from a good source - Fiesta R5 time over the shakedown stage 2.45.27 Peugeot T16 - 2.48.? Loix - 2.46.098

From Twitter.


And Porter continues: "An update on last nights times, Peugeot T16 - 2.45.6 was their best."

http://www.motorsportforums.com/erc/157837-ypres-rally-23.html#post1142236


un confirmed reports from the stages is neuville quickest on all bar 1 stage
and one stage 15 secs quicker than loix
interesting

[noel157]

Meeke talks about T16 development and performance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnVGftX8Xbg

[Lord_Shaitan]

On the last stage (which was cancelled after all) Neuville did 15m57s. Can't find Sołowow time (ss 20) but it was sth about 16m45s. Considering that Loix was about 1s/km quicker that him, when he was pushing, S2000 is about 1s/km slower than R5.

A tweet from Colin Clart might indicate it's correct value:

Colin Clark
Spoken with the boys in the R5s and looks like they are 1sec/km quicker than S2000. Feeling is they are at least 1.5sec/km slower than WRC.

[RS]

Anyone know what top speeds the R5s were recording on Ypres? This could have been a big advantage there.

Having watched some more footage from Ypres, the Peugeot really sounds a lot better than the Ford. The Fiesta barely sounds better than Aigner's Impreza :(

I thought the engine rules for R5 should have made them rev higher and sound better than RRC for example, but at the moment they seem to have neither low down torque nor rev particularly high. I know the limit is 7500RPM but it doesn't sound like they are using that, other than in top gear?

[wrc45]

Anyone know what top speeds the R5s were recording on Ypres? This could have been a big advantage there.

Having watched some more footage from Ypres, the Peugeot really sounds a lot better than the Ford. The Fiesta barely sounds better than Aigner's Impreza :(

I thought the engine rules for R5 should have made them rev higher and sound better than RRC for example, but at the moment they seem to have neither low down torque nor rev particularly high. I know the limit is 7500RPM but it doesn't sound like they are using that, other than in top gear?

R5 top speed is about 185 kph

[sindroms]

Any timings from Ypres for the R5's?

From "Eurosport" 2nd day review. Neuville:
- The times we are setting are very, very competitive.
What are the times you setting? Just how fast is Fiesta R5 to compere with S2000 cars?
- I would be leading rally now more than minute in front of others.

[RS]

From "Eurosport" 2nd day review. Neuville:
- I would be leading rally now more than minute in front of others.

It is unclear when that question was asked though. If it was after day one it was very impressive, if it was half way through day two when Freddy had slowed down then less so...

[A FONDO]

From "Eurosport" 2nd day review. Neuville:
- The times we are setting are very, very competitive.
What are the times you setting? Just how fast is Fiesta R5 to compere with S2000 cars?
- I would be leading rally now more than minute in front of others.

We have to keep in mind that he would have been leading with probably half a minute with S2000, so 1 minute is not the real wdifference between the cars ;)

[Mirek]

On the last stage (which was cancelled after all) Neuville did 15m57s. Can't find Sołowow time (ss 20) but it was sth about 16m45s. Considering that Loix was about 1s/km quicker that him, when he was pushing, S2000 is about 1s/km slower than R5.

A tweet from Colin Clart might indicate it's correct value:

That's not true. In SS1 Loix was 2,17 s/km faster than Solowow, in SS2 1,72 s/km, in SS3 1,87 s/km, in SS4 1,38 s/km and than Solowow went off and Breen suffered broken driveshaft. After SS5 Loix had no opponent and was only cruising according to splits and trying not to pick a puncture. It was clearly visible on his driving in fast places and also Fred Miclotte confirmed that to me. In first stages the difference was very small between them. On a distance I measured (cca 1 km long section close to the end of stage 1) Loix was faster than Neuville by 1,1 seconds and slower than Meeke by 0,2 seconds. I measured same way also sections in SS6 and 19 but there Loix was not pushing. For the R5 in both these cases Neuville was faster than Meeke. Loix was in both cases on par with Meeke in those particular sections.

For shakedown we must not forget that Loix did only three runs but Meeke did five and Neuville even six. Both had some hot moments in later runs too.


R5 top speed is about 185 kph

If true than it's interesting that on second Vleteren - Krombeke stage on my spot not far from start Loix reached rpm limiter in almost same place as Neuville and Meeke. Loix had top speed 182 km/h.


It seems that Skoda can do the same again and do loads of testing and not homologate until they have the best car again :)

I'm pretty sure that the motorsport department would like to homologate the car already next year but they simply can't.

[gianni123]

some videos from neuville

Jump

Big Jump Neuville Fiesta R5 - Ypres Rally 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Pp09a69bk)

Neuville on the limit

Neuville Fiesta R5 on the limit - Ypres Rally 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDhILEUbivw)

[rallyfanbelgium]

R5 Rally : Ford Fiësta R5 ' Thierry Neuville ' VS Peugeot 208 T16 R5 ' Chris Meeke ' . - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwbSUABX7Zg)

[polo10]

would like to homologate the car already next year but they simply can't.[/QUOTE]
Mirek, why do you say they can't? New Fabia will be launched in March 2014...

[Mirek]

I don't think so. I'll send You PM.

[Kielder]

http://www.ralsys.com/irally_admin/news_images/2013FiestaR5s.jpg

Homologation date sees M-Sport's first Ford Fiesta R5s leave for competition (http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/1371-homologation-date-sees-ford-fiesta-r5s-leave-for-competition)

[Kielder]

The previous link doesn't work because M-Sport delete its post (:confused :) . Nothing special was written on it, but for those who are intered in reading it, this web was quick to "steal" the information: M-Sport first Ford Fiestas R5 cars leave for competition (http://www.rallysportlive.com/2013/07/m-sports-first-ford-fiestas-r5-cars-leave-for-competition/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

[Andre Oliveira]

PX13 AUF is Jan Sykora (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jan-S%C3%BDkora-racing/194824440575668)'s car.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1009916_554193137972128_1285135877_n.jpg

[Sulland]

would like to homologate the car already next year but they simply can't.
Mirek, why do you say they can't? New Fabia will be launched in March 2014...[/QUOTE]


Has the new Fabia been pushed to 2015 by VW?

[RS]

Mirek, why do you say they can't? New Fabia will be launched in March 2014...


Has the new Fabia been pushed to 2015 by VW?[/QUOTE]

I expect this is VAG politics. They don't want Skoda to have too much of a head start with the MQB platform for their supermini.

[Mirek]

Don't search for too much conspiracy theories. I think that they are simply late.

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOelGvwQ7yc

[noel157]

Martin Kangur has joined Twitter!! https://twitter.com/MartinKangur

Oh and he got a white car of some sort................ :) :

http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/cfa3f84ce24911e2bbed22000a9e28b0_7.jpg

[mihay]

any news about DS3 R5 or Opel R5?

[Mirek]

DS3 R5 will come after 208 R5. In my opinion it will be technically same just placed in different bodyshell (at least it would be logical). I don't know anything about Opel, sorry.

[liposh]

I think Opel is quite successful with their Adam Cups etc. Everything is going well so I see it as logical step to continue that way. I think Opel is waiting for new Corsa, then they will do Corsa R3 or R3T first of all and most probably after that they will start with Corsa R5. It means middle of year 2015 or later. But it is very far and everything can change many times until then.

[noel157]

In the next 2 years (?):

Fiesta R5
208 R5
DS3 R5
Fabia R5
Clio R5
Corsa R5

Would be good. Very good if it all came true. Maybe even Toyota etc.

[Mirek]

Another nice comparison video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFjiwlu9pHk

[EightGear]

I'm reading on the Dutch forum that Hans Weijs will test the DS3 R5 tomorrow and Saturday. Does somebody know more about this?

[EightGear]

Can't edit my previous post anymore, so sorry for he double post, but co-driver Davy Thierie posted it on Facebook, so now we can assume it's a fact. Good news! :)

[Andre Oliveira]

208 T16 will be homologated on January 1st 2014.

On Autosport.pt (http://autosport.pt/208-turbo-16-homologado-a-1-de-janeiro-de-2014=f113357)

[Mirek]

Sýkora's car already suffered a broken gearbox in test before first event.

[pucky54]

Sýkora's car already suffered a broken gearbox in test before first event.

No problem, Malcolm guaranteed 2000km's on every part ;)

[Rallying UK]

FIESTA R5: Here are all the latest photos and videos of the new Ford Fiesta R5 - from the media launch and at GEKO Ypres Rally 2013: M-SPORT'S FORD FIESTA R5 (with images, tweets) · RallyingUK · Storify (http://bit.ly/19EdWpO)

[Rallying UK]

NEUVILLE: Have a look around this ThingLink telling to story of Thierry Neuville in the M-Sport Ford Fiesta R5 on GEKO Ypres Rally 2013:

The new Fiesta R5 at Geko Ypres Rally 2013 - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/17IuZau)

[mousti]

Jan Sykora testing Ford Fiesta R5

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200709351669417

[noel157]

Jan Sykora testing Ford Fiesta R5

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200709351669417

Suspension looks soft, car seems a bit bouncy?

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta R5 to Krum Dounchev

[Bartek]

Suspension looks soft, car seems a bit bouncy?

You are right, interesting, is this is only driver or something else (I mean stressed out left foot :) )

[Juha_Koo]

Suspension looks soft, car seems a bit bouncy?

Reminds me of Focus WRC on tarmac 2007-2009...

[noel157]

Sýkora's car already suffered a broken gearbox in test before first event.

Shouldn't be a problem.....

"It’s comforting to know that your new Ford is well protected against mechanical failure and faulty paintwork. That’s because your car comes with a 3-year/60,000 miles Classic Plan warranty. (There’s also a corrosion warranty of between six and twelve years depending on your model.)

You’ll also receive one year's free Ford Assistance, our roadside rescue, repair and recovery service. In short, you’re well covered with Ford."

:)

[Mirek]

All M-Sport cars in recent years have used very soft suspension.

[tommeke_B]

Shouldn't be a problem.....

"It’s comforting to know that your new Ford is well protected against mechanical failure and faulty paintwork. That’s because your car comes with a 3-year/60,000 miles Classic Plan warranty. (There’s also a corrosion warranty of between six and twelve years depending on your model.)

You’ll also receive one year's free Ford Assistance, our roadside rescue, repair and recovery service. In short, you’re well covered with Ford."

:)

Try to break you gearbox and tell me if you got a new one please. :p

[Mirek]

Not that big problem with stock car. A friend of mine has already third gearbox in Audi Allroad - both changed under warranty ;)

On a serious note. I was told there is a shortage of gearboxes for R5 in M-Sport. Very very few available.

[sete]

but it looks he is still testing the car.So is problém with gearbox happened after testing,or he can continue in testing/racing?And does it mean that start on Rally Bohemia is in trouble?

[Mirek]

I know nothing about the testing.

Another video
http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/reportazni-videa/5113.html

[OgyWRC]

The next Fiesta R5 is on its way to Sofia, Bulgaria and is expected to be delivered to Krum Donchev at the end of the week.

I hope that Krum and Petar will make their debut with Fiesta R5 in Rally Serbia next weekend, substituting the old 207. Despite the short time for testing, it will be a good opportunity to compare R5 against Iliev’s Skoda S2000 on tarmac.

[tolis]

I hope that Krum and Petar will make their debut with Fiesta R5 in Rally Serbia next weekend, substituting the old 207. Despite the short time for testing, it will be a good opportunity to compare R5 against Iliev’s Skoda S2000 on tarmac.
He told me that he will drive the R5 in Serbia!

[Kielder]

Pic from PG's test with Fiesta on Hankook tires:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOzWdElCMAALZIz.jpg:large

[Mirek]

Peugeot revealed new street version of RCZ with so far strongest modification to the 1.6T EP6CDT engine called EP6CDTR (at least for French, I don't know all BMW modifications). It has 271 Hp @ 6000 rpm and 330 Nm @ 1500-5500 rpm. That's pretty huge for stock 1.6 engine. It could be connected to R5 and R3T development to give the team a better basis.

[fegh]

Roger Feghali will hopefully compete with motortune's fiesta R5 in the Cedars rally held the 21st of July.

[Sulland]

Anyone knows if Autotek has recieved their R5 Fiesta, and if Brynildsen has started testing yet?

[dimviii]

Peugeot revealed new street version of RCZ with so far strongest modification to the 1.6T EP6CDT engine called EP6CDTR (at least for French, I don't know all BMW modifications). It has 271 Hp @ 6000 rpm and 330 Nm @ 1500-5500 rpm. That's pretty huge for stock 1.6 engine. It could be connected to R5 and R3T development to give the team a better basis.

do you know what different engine parts has this engine vs previous?(rods-turbo etc)

[Mirek]

According to one Czech article the engine has Mahle forged pistons, new piston rings and connecting rods, smaller compression ratio - 9,2:1 (I guess due to higher turbo pressure) and also different exhaust.

[dimviii]

Pic from PG's test with Fiesta on Hankook tires:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOzWdElCMAALZIz.jpg:large

look at the front dive at brakes.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941230_484556034960813_1861235813_n.jpg

more photos from PG test
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.484555804960836.1073741833.371873126229105&type=3

[Andre Oliveira]

Miguel Zaldivar sells his Fiesta S2000 to Marco Miltos. At November arrives one R5 to Zaldivar. Motores.com.py (https://www.facebook.com/MotoresPY)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1070034_591522870870430_1650714537_n.jpg

[Mirek]

AFAIK Fiesta R5 has not yet been homologated. Let's see if M-Sport manages to sort things out before scrutineerings of this weekend events.

Kind of Monte Carlo 2009 situation...

[Co-driven]

Miguel Zaldivar sells his Fiesta S2000 to Marco Miltos. At November arrives one R5 to Zaldivar. Motores.com.py (https://www.facebook.com/MotoresPY)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1070034_591522870870430_1650714537_n.jpg

He said that he's willing to take part in the last round of South American Rally Championship with the R5, in November. Until then, he'll use either an Evo (probably R4) or rebuild his other Fiesta to S2000 spec (right now it's with specifications for the TransChaco Rally, with a 2.4 liter engine).

[Kalm]

Video from PGs test, includes interview with Markko Märtin :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrTESrBqr6Q

[Andre Oliveira]

He said that he's willing to take part in the last round of South American Rally Championship with the R5, in November. Until then, he'll use either an Evo (probably R4) or rebuild his other Fiesta to S2000 spec (right now it's with specifications for the TransChaco Rally, with a 2.4 liter engine).

He have other S2000? What is the Ex Sousa? What chassis is the other?

[Rasantes]

Robert Barrable livery for Finland.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005722_591252640919828_169862277_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382567_591252637586495_554151444_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1016902_591252630919829_1486740265_n.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

So till now:
PX13 ACF -> M-Sport Thierry Neuville at Ypres
PX13 ATU -> MM Motorsport Martin Kangur
PX13 AUA -> MM Motorsport Karl Kruuda
PX13 AUE -> Robert Barrable
PX13 AUF -> Jan Sýkora
PX62 AVJ -> M-Sport Matthew Wilson and Elfyn Evans

PG Andersson testing SP0277 (same plate that MM Motorsport Fiesta RS WRC)

[Co-driven]

He have other S2000? What is the Ex Sousa? What chassis is the other?

I think he bought 2 cars. Gustavo Saba also bought 2 Fabia. One of the reasons is that it's easier to import spare parts.

[noel157]

I believe Evans had to retire the Fiesta from the Nicky Grist stages rally yesterday with engine management problems after 3 stages. It was very dusty but not sure if that contributed to it.

[Jr.]

http://jourdan-serderidis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_8266.jpg

[tolis]

Donchev's R5

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q77/s720x720/601742_146319875566289_1706959581_n.jpg

[vino_93]

As I said in R class news, Opel director Jörg Schrott said they want to develop R5 next year, and homologate it in 2015 :)

[OgyWRC]

3174
Source: http://forum.rally-club.bg (http://forum.rally-club.bg/)

Live results:SS1 (http://www.uzicerallyteam.com/takmicenja/4-beogradski-rally-memorijal-mirko-martinovi.html#twoj_fragment1-2)

[makinen_fan]

Serderidis testing the R5 with Neuville as co-driver

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=333478220119776

[Mirek]

3174
Source: http://forum.rally-club.bg (http://forum.rally-club.bg/)

Live results:SS1 (http://www.uzicerallyteam.com/takmicenja/4-beogradski-rally-memorijal-mirko-martinovi.html#twoj_fragment1-2)

Is there a reason why I don't see any times from SS1?

[OgyWRC]

Rally Serbia SS1 was canceled yesterday. As far as I know, there is a delay of SS2 due to some "police issues".

Update: SS 2,3,4 & 5 are canceled ... due to the local police.

[Mirek]

Aha, thank You.

[dimviii]

Rally Serbia SS1 was canceled yesterday. As far as I know, there is a delay of SS2 due to some "police issues".

Update: SS 2,3,4 & 5 are canceled ... due to the local police.

do you know the reason?

[OgyWRC]

It is hard do believe, but Rally Serbia was canceled as "the Organization committee has obtained a negative report from the traffic police"... I would say very unusual extra safety measures wanted from the local police.

So, the official start of the Doncvev's Fiesta R5 will be next week at Rally Tvarditsa - one of my favorite rallies, containing the bumpiest tarmac stage I've ever seen. It will be a good test for the new car.

[stefanvv]

It is hard do believe, but Rally Serbia was canceled as "the Organization committee has obtained a negative report from the traffic police"... I would say very unusual extra safety measures wanted from the local police.

So, the official start of the Doncvev's Fiesta R5 will be next week at Rally Tvarditsa - one of my favorite rallies, containing the bumpiest tarmac stage I've ever seen. It will be a good test for the new car.

Shhhht. It's my home Rally. Hope to see R5 live there anyway

[NoFear85]

here is google translate for official answere why was rally serbia cancelled

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.gonzaracing.com/srpski/news/article/serbia-rally-2013-zvanicno-saopstenje-organizatora%23.UeqzOBjfkwk.facebook%0A)

[tommeke_B]

Serderidis retired in Luxembourg yesterday. The reason was a broken ECU.

[leighton323]

Serderidis retired in Luxembourg yesterday. The reason was a broken ECU.

Isn't that the third reliability issue with the R5 car already?? Hmm

[tommeke_B]

Isn't that the third reliability issue with the R5 car already?? Hmm

What are the other 2?

[noel157]

What are the other 2?

Transmission/gearbox with Sýkora, sensor/ECU with Evans on Grist stages and now Serderidis.

[tommeke_B]

So some of the the stage-times in Ypres, where all cars drove, source is autonews magazine: (Autonews Magazine (http://www.autonews-magazine.com))
SS / Fiesta / 208 / Fastest S2000
1 / 8'20"3 / 8'11"7 / 8'12"4 (Loix)
2 / 13'14"3 / 13'08"7 / 13'20"5 (Loix)
4 / 8'29"3 / 8'42"8 / 8'37"4 (Loix)
7 / 7'34"9 / 9'18"0 / 7'38"2 (Breen) --puncture for Meeke--
8 / 6'46"6 / 6'50"3 / 6'53"3 (Breen)
15/ 7'32"0 / 7'31"9 / 7'34"4 (Bouffier)
16/ 6'37"2 / 6'38"7 / 6'41"1 (Bouffier)
17/ 4'29"6 / 4'23"6 / 4'21"1 (Breen)
18/ 7'50"7 / 7'57"4 / 8'01"0 (Bouffier)
19/ 7'57"7 / 8'17"0 / 8'13"1 (Bouffier)

What can we learn from these times? Not much really, except that the R5 cars are able to be faster than S2000 cars... Wanted to share it anyway. :)

[noel157]

Meeke said in a recent interview that after 80 kms in Ypres there was just 0.6 secs difference between him and Neuville.

[tommeke_B]

Meeke said in a recent interview that after 80 kms in Ypres there was just 0.6 secs difference between him and Neuville.
Could be, depends on what stages you take into your calculation? :) Meeke finished only half of the stages by the way... By the way, a conspirancy theory by Loix, in autonews magazine... :D "The R5's were a disadvantage for us. Especially Kris Meeke played the game in favor of Peugeot, by cutting extra deep and throwing dirt on the road everywhere. At seeing the road I could tell if Meeke had done it or not." - Told by someone who is master in throwing dirt on the road for following cars. :p

[Barreis]

Very nice work by Sykora...
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.552377718155227.1073741933.184151181644551&type=1

[TyPat107]

Haven't all the m-sport fiestas (wrc, s2000, r5) all had electrical issues?

[RS]

Isn't that the third reliability issue with the R5 car already?? Hmm

Not enough testing?

It surprised me how short the Fiesta's gestation period seemed to be compared to Fabia S2000 for example which seemed to test all round the world for weeks at a time with many different and experienced drivers.

[noel157]

Not enough testing?

It surprised me how short the Fiesta's gestation period seemed to be compared to Fabia S2000 for example which seemed to test all round the world for weeks at a time with many different and experienced drivers.

Get them out quick and get the money in? M-Sport do a Microsoft and let the customers do the testing and development.

[A FONDO]

Get them out quick and get the money in? M-Sport do a Microsoft and let the customers do the testing and development.

[attachment=1:1dni2lz5]perfect_10.gif[/attachment:1dni2lz5]

[Francis44]

Get them out quick and get the money in? M-Sport do a Microsoft and let the customers do the testing and development.

True indeed. I always felt M-Sport wanted to sell the car as soon as possible. Putting it simply, anyone who wants to join the R5 bandwagon now only as the Fiesta as a choice. It seemed pretty clear after all that pressure Malcom Wilson created to homolgate the car.

[fegh]

Some R5 action with Roger Feghali from Lebanon
http://biser3a.com/rally/ford-fiesta-r5 ... r-feghali/ (http://biser3a.com/rally/ford-fiesta-r5-action-with-roger-feghali/)

[drive]

R5 action in Estonia

http://www.rallifotod.eu/album425/rallyest0346.jpg

[Sulland]

So will the Peugeot strategy work out better, more testing inhouse before homologation vs MSport testing with the customers?

[mousti]

Also the first Fiesta R5 has been delivered to Italy!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1012707_10200694491181832_899728480_n.jpg

[bluuford]

I think that Wilson has made a good deal. So many people want R5 cars today and the only option at the moment is Fiesta.. and for a long period. That means, he can fill the market with huge number of cars, get a lot of feedback and later rebuild some engines etc. Peugeot importers are of course buying and supporting Peugeots but those who are not supported by local dealers are already ordering Fiestas..
I hope that R5 becomes really very popular and there is room for all the car makes.Kruuda and Kangur were mostly very spectacular in Rally Estonia with these new cars. So, I would be happy if I can see more of those on the stages.

[tommeke_B]

Remember how many Fiat Punto S2000's were sold? From 2009 on they disappeared very quickly. Could be the same case for the Fiesta R5. First on the market, also means that all others can "spy" on your product and make theirs better. Skoda was one of the last with a S2000 cars, but commercially they had the best project I think (most return for the manufacturers, and a lot of cars sold).

[liposh]

If Fiesta R5 will disappear after 2015 it isn´t Malcolm Wilson´s problem. He is businessman and he will be successfull also with this strategy.

[Mirek]

Remember how many Fiat Punto S2000's were sold? From 2009 on they disappeared very quickly. Could be the same case for the Fiesta R5. First on the market, also means that all others can "spy" on your product and make theirs better. Skoda was one of the last with a S2000 cars, but commercially they had the best project I think (most return for the manufacturers, and a lot of cars sold).

It doesn't look like that but Abarth made almost same number of Puntos as Škoda made Fabias I think. Peugeot sold the biggest number of S2000 cars and has stayed the longest time on the market. But it's not only about sales but also about services and spare parts and that is where the "service life" matters the most.


If Fiesta R5 will disappear after 2015 it isn´t Malcolm Wilson´s problem. He is businessman and he will be successfull also with this strategy.

That IS his problem. I doubt that R5 project can be profitable if lasts only for let's say two years. You need to keep the cars running to keep business with spare parts, services etc.

[Sulland]

Most of us remember this site. S2000 Database: every s2000 rally car in the world (http://www.s2000rally.com/)
it was an extremely useful site to keep track of the cars.

it would be spledid and a help for many if someone could build on this on, or make a new one for R5.

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhPflyQrBkY

[tommeke_B]

The problem is that after some time it becomes very hard to keep up with it. There are so many cars after some time, who participate in big and small events. Cars are bought, cars are rented. Owners change license plates, teams have more cars and often switch plates etc, teams start to cover the chassis numbers with tape to prevent people from knowing exact history (actually happened) and so on...

[Andre Oliveira]

Helloooo :)

eWRC-results.com - Rally cars history (http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5)

[Sulland]

Helloooo :)

eWRC-results.com - Rally cars history (http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5)

Perfect, thx. I have been there before, but forgot it. (Getting old!!!)
Now it is bookmarked on the iPad as well !

[tommeke_B]

Helloooo :)

eWRC-results.com - Rally cars history (http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5)

The start of Serderidis in Luxembourg isn't there yet. ;)

[dupanton]

The start of Serderidis in Luxembourg isn't there yet. ;)

You should wear glasses Tom... :p

[Andre Oliveira]

The start of Serderidis in Luxembourg isn't there yet.



Look with attention lol PX13 ASU

Btw, PX13 ATZ to Ogliari.

[tommeke_B]

Overlooked it indeed. :) I thought Serderidis' car was going to be chassis number 3, apparently not.

[OgyWRC]

In a few days Krum Donchev will take his first official ride of the new R5 in Rally Tvardica. Enjoy the presentation of the new car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbN1tUlt6s

[stefanvv]

This might very well be the first fictory for R5. Here is the entry list for Tvarditsa-Elena 2013 - ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? 9-?? ???? ????????-????? 2013 (http://www.rally-tvardica.com/zayavki-2013.html)

EDIT: The only stage with bad asphalt is being asphalted this week (the machines stay in front of my house :D ), so shouldn't be big problem for the suspension - pure asphalt rally ;)

[tolis]

Entry list in English: eWRC-results.com - results Rally Tvardica-Elena 2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=8122&t=Rally-Tvardica-Elena-201)

[Andre Oliveira]

Rally Tvardica-Elena (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=8122&t=Rally-Tvardica-Elena-201) 2013, Bulgaria, the really debut of Krum Donchev's Fiesta R5:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/998543_368950143234234_1352016061_n.png

[danon]

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=bg&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bgnrc.info%2Frally%2Fitem%2F%25 D0%25B8%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B2-%25D1%2581-%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B8%25D1%2586 %25D0%25B8%25D1%258F-%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B0-%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5-%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B0-%25D0%25BF%25D1%258A%25D1%2580%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B8-%25D0%25BF%25D1%258A%25D1%2582-%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8%25D1%2582 %25D0%25BE-%25D1%2582%25D0%25B2%25D1%258A%25D1%2580%25D0%25B4 %25D0%25B8%25D1%2586%25D0%25B0.html)


http://www.bgnrc.info/cache/com_zoo/images/20130724-TVA-Press-002_05f45dc966f39717a253967944e93bda.jpg

[Rallying UK]

FIESTA R5: There are many more new photos and videos of the Ford Fiesta R5 emerging. Here's most of the story so far - enjoy!
M-SPORT'S FORD FIESTA R5 IN PICTURES (with images, tweets) · RallyingUK · Storify (http://bit.ly/19EdWpO)

[Mad cat jnr]

One thing you have to remember with R5 is the fact that the FIA has capped the sale price, and any good business will try to make maximum profit off each sale, therefore it becomes a massive case of build cost vs reliability. The fact the Fiesta R5 is so big already means that a bigger bulk of parts can be ordered from the suppliers and thus cost less, in return this will mean that better grade parts can be bought....its a big vicious circle!

[Andre Oliveira]

Someone have more info about chassis numbers, we only have these: eWRC-results.com - Rally cars history (http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5)

[Mad cat jnr]

I know that there are 14 already with customers

[Andre Oliveira]

We only know chassis 3, 4 and 5.

[Sulland]

When is the mext test-session for the 208?

[Mad cat jnr]

We only know chassis 3, 4 and 5.

Unfortunately I cant help there.

[OldF]

When is the mext test-session for the 208?

During this year probably. ;)

[liposh]

With all the new info it seems to me Fabia R5 will be homologated 1.1.2015. Does Mirek and Pluto agree? :) BUT do you think we will see Fabia during 2014 season somewhere as "0" car or something like Pug did during Ypres?

[RS]

With all the new info it seems to me Fabia R5 will be homologated 1.1.2015. Does Mirek and Pluto agree? :) BUT do you think we will see Fabia during 2014 season somewhere as "0" car or something like Pug did during Ypres?

Barum I guess.

Hopefully we might at least see some footage of the Fabia S2000 running with the R5 engine sometime this year?

[Mirek]

I bet Barum 2014 will be a zero car appearance.

[V.Gatev]

Number 8 chassis - Donchev, PX13AUC

[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks

[Sulland]

Guessing contest: What will the gap pr km SS end up with in Finland btw the best WRCs and the best R5s?

[Mirek]

This shall be the first public video shot of Fabia R5 mule (from today). Unfortunately it's facebook only visible so I had no chance to watch it. My friend told me it's just one but very spectacular pass with very nice engine sound as well.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200342390550203&set=vb.1467825400&type=2&theater

[makinen_fan]

Does this link work for you?

https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10200342390550203%22%20width=%22640 %22%20height=%22480%22%20frameborder=%220%22

[EightGear]

Really strange to see a works-livery Fabia S2000 with a turbo sound. :D

[dimviii]

cant see it.Any chance to upload it at youtube?

[Viking]

Maybe this works...

<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10200342390550203" width="640" height="480" frameborder="0"></iframe>

[makinen_fan]

OK this works I think:

https://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-ash4/v/1050232_10200342392190244_638325797_n.mp4?oh=4a6b2 de756f73ef5ab125f5e87615866&oe=51F961F2&__gda__=1375296056_8722b3467df43422d46932249f839cd 8

[liposh]

Good guy makinen_fan . Thank you very much. I really appreciate your effort.

[makinen_fan]

this website did the trick guys:
Download Facebook, Youtube Videos (http://www.downvids.net/)

save it for future use!

[liposh]

OK guys, here is another one video: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=550358028334196&set=vb.490449754325024&type=2&theater


Makinen_fan: I told my colleagues on czech rally forum to do some trick like this about 2 hours ago, but they are so... :mad:

[Mirek]

Here it's on youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFM8wu-uaZo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[OldF]

The squeezing sound remains me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNSTerj2Kc) (Pffft, but at the time a good moment to ask a girl for a dance and say “a very good song” and then….or having a slap in your face and going home, sometimes) ;)

[RS]

When I said I hoped we would see some test footage of the Fabia 1.6T this year I didn't mean "today" :D

It sounds nice, but I still wished these cars revved higher and had a bit more "violence" about them.

Anyway, early days. I guess we can expect Skoda to be on the top again in 2015 as they will have 18 months of testing with the engine and 6-12 with the actual car.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/954645_550300318339967_87970290_n.jpg

[OldF]

Just popped into my mind. For a manufacturer to have the homologation they have to manufacture 25 000 cars of that family but I remember reading somewhere it’s possible to homologate a car if the 25 000 units are made until the end of the year. Could it be possible for the new Skoda to be homologated already in the beginning of 2014 or soon after the new model is introduced?

[TheFlyingTuga]

Does someone knows where can I get the Blueprint from the new R5 Fiesta?

I tried to contact M-Sport but they didn't replied me :S

[RS]

Just popped into my mind. For a manufacturer to have the homologation they have to manufacture 25 000 cars of that family but I remember reading somewhere it’s possible to homologate a car if the 25 000 units are made until the end of the year. Could it be possible for the new Skoda to be homologated already in the beginning of 2014 or soon after the new model is introduced?

It is now reported that the Fabia 3 road car won't be launched until later in the year (probably at the Paris motor show in September) so no chance of that I think.

The engine already seems to be fairly well sorted though, nice acceleration out of that tight hairpin in the video. I presume they would be running it with an R5 gearbox too.

[dimviii]

photos from the r5/s2000 mule test

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Test Škoda Motorsport 2013 Martin Trdla (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=11619&fotograf=251)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_koda_motorsport_2013/mtr_2.jpg

[Mirek]

One more video, a bit shaky and only with hairpins at the wooden bridge

Å*koda Fabia 1.6 Turbo - Sepp Wiegand - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGBuqU-7VpM&feature=player_embedded)

[RS]

Lots of nice traditional turbo sounds.

Anyone know whether the engine is "homemade" or from an external partner?

[Mirek]

I think in-house development but I'm not sure about that.

The most interesting point about the video is the clear presence of anti-lag.

[stefanvv]

The sound is much better than previous clip

[RS]

I'm pretty sure this isn't going to happen, but could Skoda knock up a quick R5 version of the current (old) Fabia to use in 2014 to test the drivetrain thoroughly in normal conditions in preparation for the Fabia '3' R5?

Otherwise they aren't going to have a competitive car with which to compete next year...

[Jack4688`]

like the sound of that idea but I wouldn't have thought an S2000 chassis with R5 engine and gearbox would be allowed to compete as an R5 - unlesss you don't mean to run competitively on rallies....

[RS]

like the sound of that idea but I wouldn't have thought an S2000 chassis with R5 engine and gearbox would be allowed to compete as an R5 - unlesss you don't mean to run competitively on rallies....

Maybe it could compete as an RRC however?

How is it that Skoda already have antilag working on their first test car and it is not yet on the Ford which has been homolgated?!

[Jack4688`]

Are any new Group A i.e. S2000 or RRC cars allowed to be homolgated since 1st Jan 2013 though?

[mousti]

S2000 for a long time not..

[Mirek]

I'm pretty sure this isn't going to happen, but could Skoda knock up a quick R5 version of the current (old) Fabia to use in 2014 to test the drivetrain thoroughly in normal conditions in preparation for the Fabia '3' R5?

Otherwise they aren't going to have a competitive car with which to compete next year...

I'm pretty sure they will not compete next year...


Are any new Group A i.e. S2000 or RRC cars allowed to be homolgated since 1st Jan 2013 though?

New atmospheric S2000 are not allowed since 1st January 2011 already (as Mousti pointed out)! That was in my opinion a huge mistake by FIA...

[WUff1]

I'm pretty sure they will not compete next year...



New atmospheric S2000 are not allowed since 1st January 2011 already (as Mousti pointed out)! That was in my opinion a huge mistake by FIA...

So winning ERC this year would be a nice farewell for Skoda (again) and Kopecky. I´m wondering what will happen with Kopecky next year and 2015.

[Jack4688`]

Maybe he'll run private or semi-works Skodas until the factory launch their R5 machine?

[Mirek]

I personally expect them to appear few times here and there to test some ideas which can be tested on S2000. I think that Jan will stay with the team. Personally I'm not that sure about Esapekka but we'll see.

[RS]

I'm sure Jan will stay for testing.

Like Mirek says it seems unclear about Lappi. Skoda haven't exactly given him a strong programme this year and his results haven't been amazing either. If they aren't doing many rallies next year I guess he would want to move on.

Looking forward to seeing lots of testing of the Fabia R5. Bit frustrating we have to wait so long when that test cars looks/sounds pretty decent already.