Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Jarek Z]

There was one on Canarias?

Yes, it was Marban:
https://wrc.net.pl/app/uploads/2019/05/59301195_2289550244637612_8659984379021361152_o-e1556904442794.jpg

[Mirek]

It's the fourth Polo burnt down this year, if I count correctly (Camilli, Marban, Meireles, Vieiby).

+ Althaus

https://scontent-prg1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61551098_2221856247894418_999898507114446848_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-prg1-1.xx&oh=dfbf270a9329593fa33d8d3ba7a4bfe7&oe=5D92A7FF

[itix]

+ Althaus

https://scontent-prg1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61551098_2221856247894418_999898507114446848_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-prg1-1.xx&oh=dfbf270a9329593fa33d8d3ba7a4bfe7&oe=5D92A7FFYep... 5 cars out of 27 built and only 26 have been used competitively.
That's pretty much a 5th of all cars that have actually run.

It's utterly dismal. VW must know by now why this is happening.

Edit: it's completely new built too. This is its first ever competitive outing.

[RS]

Worse thing is if it's heat related we are just coming into the height of the European summer..

[Mirek]

What is interesting is that while most of the VW cars suffer from various technical problems some don't have any problems whatsoever - like the one and only here in CZ.

[Jarek Z]

What is interesting is that while most of the VW cars suffer from various technical problems some don't have any problems whatsoever - like the one and only here in CZ.

Because Stajf drives it too slow ;)

[RS]

If I were Kajto, and unless VW find a fix for the barbecue feature very quickly I would seriously consider pulling the Sardinia entry.

[PLuto]

If I were Kajto, and unless VW find a fix for the barbecue feature very quickly I would seriously consider pulling the Sardinia entry.

I think he was supposed to use same car like Veiby in Portugal, no?

[RS]

I think he was supposed to use same car like Veiby in Portugal, no?

But Veiby is entered in Sardinia too?

[dimviii]

I think he was supposed to use same car like Veiby in Portugal, no?

Pluto i wonder if incurance companies have no problem to cover a polo r5.

[JUF]

I think he was supposed to use same car like Veiby in Portugal, no?

I think the car Veiby used in Portugal doesn't belong to BRR, but to KMS.

[pantealex]

Veiby is/was using Kristoffersson car. (and they KMS have/had 2 PoloR5)

[bf1_IRL]

The Proton Iriz R5 is making its debut today on the Circuit of Munster Rally

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61617565_2287013608179210_6703618937378045952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=2ce2a5e96f860940da23d87bc043d035&oe=5D58C911

https://www.facebook.com/1436470656566847/photos/pcb.2287013888179182/2287013604845877/?type=3&theater

[PLuto]

I think the car Veiby used in Portugal doesn't belong to BRR, but to KMS.

I was not checking it precisely, but in Liepaja I was talking to Mundl and he told me they are going to Portugal with Veiby and to Sardegna with Kajto and Prinze Albert. But maybe I didnt understand him correctly :)

[RS]

No mention of Portugal on BRR’s Twitter, so it looks like it was KMS car which went up in flames.

Damage didn’t look too bad though, can it be fixed in time for Sardinia or can Veiby use their other Polo there?

[RS]

Veiby's fire might actually help them discover the fault, since the car was not a total loss:

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/143818/vw-working-on-fixes-after-five-polo-r5-fires

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Proton Iriz R5 is making its debut today on the Circuit of Munster Rally

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61617565_2287013608179210_6703618937378045952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=2ce2a5e96f860940da23d87bc043d035&oe=5D58C911

https://www.facebook.com/1436470656566847/photos/pcb.2287013888179182/2287013604845877/?type=3&theater

Seems to have retired after SS1. :(

[Sulland]

Veiby's fire might actually help them discover the fault, since the car was not a total loss:

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/143818/vw-working-on-fixes-after-five-polo-r5-fires

If not, I guess we will see him in a Fabia Evo for the next event.

[RS]

If not, I guess we will see him in a Fabia Evo for the next event.

I doubt it on two counts.. his next event is two weeks away and i don't think any Fabia Evos have been delivered to customers yet. Secondly since he got sacked from Skoda he might prefer to drive a different brand.

[Andre Oliveira]

All burning Polo used Total fuel.

[dimviii]

All burning Polo used Total fuel.

Is not Total the official supplier at wrc?

[PLuto]

All burning Polo used Total fuel.

I am not sure if Marban in Canarias was using Total. And for sure this issues has nothing to do with fuel brand.

[Mirek]

If not, I guess we will see him in a Fabia Evo for the next event.

For sure not exactly for the reasons RS pointed out.


I doubt it on two counts.. his next event is two weeks away and i don't think any Fabia Evos have been delivered to customers yet. Secondly since he got sacked from Skoda he might prefer to drive a different brand.

[JRodrigues]

I was told one of the Polo's had a rear diff error before the fire.

[Rally Power]

The Proton Iriz R5 is making its debut today on the Circuit of Munster Rally

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61617565_2287013608179210_6703618937378045952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=2ce2a5e96f860940da23d87bc043d035&oe=5D58C911

https://www.facebook.com/1436470656566847/photos/pcb.2287013888179182/2287013604845877/?type=3&theater

How did it go?

[RS]

Some serious suspension travel on the new Fabia:

https://cdn.skoda-storyboard.com/2019/05/SP_9387.JPG-1440x960.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How did it go?

"The stage (SS2) was curtailed when Donegal’s Declan Gallagher crashed his Proton Iriz R5".

[Got Mail]

If not, I guess we will see him in a Fabia Evo for the next event.

There would be more chance of my Mother getting a Fabia Evo for the next event.

And she is 86 years old.

[mousti]

Pontus Tidemand will test for Skoda this week in Spain.

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[Andre Oliveira]

Tidemand could be a great driver to develop Fiesta MK8 R5.

[dimviii]

Pontus Tidemand will test for Skoda this week in Spain.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=44&v=EnCdXWTdOIw

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport: 24 hours and counting...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Yh3n_XkAAFEpx?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Polo R5 fires: VW has found the cause

Ironically, the Polo R5 Sebastien Loeb Racing brought the realization: Cédric Althaus noticed during the Rally du Chablais flaming flames and stopped in time his vehicle. In contrast to the previous Polo R5, which fell victim to the flames, Volkswagen engineers were then able to intensively investigate the Polo R5 and found that the problems caused by the rollover valve on the tank.

This valve is integrated into the tank breather to prevent fuel leakage at high cornering speeds, refueling or in the event of a rollover. However, if the valve does not properly vent the tank, it expands due to overpressure. This, in combination with the waste heat from the exhaust, can lead to a deformation of the tank cover. This may result in contact with the cardan shaft and the exhaust system and then damage to the tank system.

Because there were no problems with the valve during the development of the Polo R5, the engineers of Volkswagen Motorsport suspect that there is a connection with the introduction of the new FIA fuel, which has been coming from Total since the beginning of the year.

To tackle the problems, Volkswagen Motorsport will reinforce the tank cover in the area of ​​the cardan shaft and exhaust system with a steel support and optimize thermal insulation. The tank ventilation system is revised to reliably regulate a possible overpressure. In addition, the distance between the central exhaust system and fuel tank is increased.

Test the new parts on Sunday

On Sunday, ex-WRC2 World Champion Pontus Tidemand will test out the changes on gravel tracks in southern France and Polo R5 sire Gerard Jan de Jongh will then set off in person to Sardinia to help the unsettled clientele at the next WRC event. "We are in constant communication with our customers and it is clear: safety first," said VW Motorsport Director Sven Smeets.

It is unclear whether de Jongh gets anything to do in Sardinia at all. Among other things, Albert von Thurn and Taxis renounced after the recent incidents on the use of the Polo R5 and attacks instead to the Skoda Fabia R5. Other drivers have similar thoughts. Ex-European champion Kajetan Kajetanowicz wants to decide by the weekend whether he will refrain from using the Polo R5 as well.

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/polo-r5-braende-vw-hat-die-ursache-gefunden-sicherheitsventil-klemmt-40958

[Mirek]

It's VERY ironic that the reason for those fires is basically identical to the fires of Fabias from three years a go. One would expect otherwise...

[RS]

Weird, Althaus car from a few pages back looked pretty destroyed to me!

So what kind of time scale are we looking at to homologate any necessary changes and get the cars modified?

[Jarek Z]

If someone is very much interested in the Polo R5 problem - here is an analysis of all failures so far and an interview with Andre Dietzel and Gerard Jan De Jongh from Volkswagen Motorsport. The interview was made by the Polish edition of motorsport.com 10 days before Rally Portugal. Sorry, it's in Polish only:
https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/polowiczny-sukces/4437552/

[dimviii]

If someone is very much interested in the Polo R5 problem - here is an analysis of all failures so far and an interview with Andre Dietzel and Gerard Jan De Jongh from Volkswagen Motorsport. The interview was made by the Polish edition of motorsport.com 10 days before Rally Portugal. Sorry, it's in Polish only:
https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/polowiczny-sukces/4437552/

very worrying situation...

[Mirek]

I didn't know that Saba's car also lost the rear axle like Kajto's one in Argentina.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Remember this...

"Volkswagen Motorsport has defended the strength of its Polo R5 following the release of shocking pictures of the car at a recent test.
The pictures of the R5, circulating on social media, shows the complete rear axle of the Polo having broken away from the test car during testing in the south of France."

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/138349/vw-defends-r5-car-strength-after-testing-crash

[dimviii]

Remember this...

"Volkswagen Motorsport has defended the strength of its Polo R5 following the release of shocking pictures of the car at a recent test.
The pictures of the R5, circulating on social media, shows the complete rear axle of the Polo having broken away from the test car during testing in the south of France."

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/138349/vw-defends-r5-car-strength-after-testing-crash

thats why we havent got to swallow whatever says a driver or a team.
At this case they said that ''we were just testing over the limits of the spares life time''

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Also strange that all the photos of that car have disappeared from Twitter.

[RS]

If someone is very much interested in the Polo R5 problem - here is an analysis of all failures so far and an interview with Andre Dietzel and Gerard Jan De Jongh from Volkswagen Motorsport. The interview was made by the Polish edition of motorsport.com 10 days before Rally Portugal. Sorry, it's in Polish only:
https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/polowiczny-sukces/4437552/

Really interesting article. Sounds like some of it is build quality issues but also some of it must be design issues. How did this not show up in testing? They did lots of kms so were they not testing on a good variety of roads, or were their testing processes wrong? Pretty surprising for a team which had been so successful in WRC.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

We've kept you waiting long enough so here it is, the all-new EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta R5. What do you think of our latest challenger? #FordPerformance #MSPORTERS https://t.co/vI3BlhLRro

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8dqYaIWsAAjzOs.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8dqYZgX4AMZAYs.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8dqYZcXYAA4_oi.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Special insight:
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc-2/news/2019/june-2019/new-fiesta-r5/page/6424--51-51-.html

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION
Engine: M-Sport developed 1.6 Turbo, direct injection power plant, FIA regulated 32mm restrictor
Power: 290bhp @ 4000rpm
Torque: 475Nm @ 4000rpm
Transmission Sadev 5-speed sequential gearbox mated to Sadev front and rear differentials, clutch disconnect fitted to handbrake
Suspension: Front and rear McPherson struts with 3-way adjustable Reiger dampers with aluminium bodies. Front and rear anti-roll bar options
Steering: Hydraulic servo-assisted rack and pinion
Brakes: Brembo forged 4-piston front and rear calipers. Gravel 300 x 32mm internally ventilated discs, Tarmac 355 x 32mm internally ventilated discs. Bespoke Brembo pedal box
Wheels: Gravel 7 x 15” wheels, Tarmac 8 x 18” wheels
Bodyshell: M-Sport designed rollcage, widened bodywork, strengthened suspension turrets
Electronics: Life Racing F88 ECU
Fuel system: ATL 80-litre fuel tank
Dimensions: Length 4065mm, width 1820mm, weight 1230kg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8dtweaWsAEjdGD.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8d3sGrX4AAkdLy.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8d3t34XkAAAYFx.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli confirmed to debut new Fiesta R5 in Ypres:

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc-2/news/2019/june-2019/cammil-fiesta/page/6426--51-51-.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8dv19jXsAA0oo4.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8dwmmfX4AAaXAg.jpg

https://www.wrc.com/images//News/2019/June2019/16363_FordFiestaR5-Launch-2019_004_896x504.jpg?

https://www.wrc.com/images//News/2019/June2019/16362_FordFiestaR5-Launch-2019_002_896x504.jpg?

[Mirek]

I'm looking forward to see it in Ypres!

[Andre Oliveira]

OMG... so beautiful!

[dimviii]

https://volkswagen-motorsport.com/en/rallye/article?tx_dataviewer_record%5Brecord%5D=1903&cHash=ddc2b92d250caa24f4f373c7060deaf3

[pantealex]

So, what car should teams choose:
VW fast but not reliable
Skoda fast and reliable, but is it fast enough
Ford is it fast, probably yes, but is it reliable, VW was tested a lot but it still isn´t reliable
Proton ???
Citroen ?
or should they wait for Toyota, how long they still have to wait ???

[RS]

Until VW have fixed their problems and we have seen the new Ford in action; Skoda.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8erBufXUAcQPx6?format=jpg&name=medium

[RS]

VW says Veiby's fire was unrelated to the others.. is that supposed to be reassuring?

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/143929/volkswagen-thinks-it-has-found-cause-of-polo-fires

[Mirek]

Just ourt of curiosity... I know that te official engine performance values in racing units are usually 100% BS but the people shall think at leat a little bit when they put them into their official promotional materials because otherways they end with values which mathematically contradict each other like those of the latest Fiesta R5.

[Jarek Z]

If I were Kajto, and unless VW find a fix for the barbecue feature very quickly I would seriously consider pulling the Sardinia entry.

Is Kajto reading this forum? ;)

According to this article he is thinking about switching from VW Polo R5 to Skoda Fabia R5 on Sardinia:
https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/volkswagen-czy-skoda/4459329/

Albert von Thurn und Taxis has already done it.

[Jarek Z]

Despite all the problems with the car new Polos are coming.
Szymon Ruta is testing his new car before Rally Poland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRbVxnpl_E

[Jarek Z]

And there is a new Polo in Lithuanian rally championship for Vytautas Svedas:

https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl/2d1eW7BY/s8/vytautas-svedas-zilvinas-sakal-1.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Takamoto Katsuta is going to drive the new Fiesta R5 in Neste Rally Finland.

[Mirek]

And there is a new Polo in Lithuanian rally championship for Vytautas Svedas

That's first Polo livery I really like.

[br21]

Polos are not coming, VW not releasing cars at the moment, until they will solve the fire issue. They already identified the problem and already new parts (similar to Skoda ones:) were tested during the week, should be tested tomorrow in official VWMOSP car. Seems it solves the problem. So bulletin should be released after the weekend and first updated parts should be ready for Sardegna. And then should be installed in currently build cars and those should be released to customers.

[Jarek Z]

Is Kajto reading this forum? ;)

According to this article he is thinking about switching from VW Polo R5 to Skoda Fabia R5 on Sardinia:
https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/volkswagen-czy-skoda/4459329/

Do you think he will choose a Subaru? ;)
https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/657916994634733/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Polos are not coming, VW not releasing cars at the moment, until they will solve the fire issue. They already identified the problem and already new parts (similar to Skoda ones:) were tested during the week, should be tested tomorrow in official VWMOSP car. Seems it solves the problem. So bulletin should be released after the weekend and first updated parts should be ready for Sardegna. And then should be installed in currently build cars and those should be released to customers.

So fires solved. What about the rear suspension breakages ?

https://scontent.fktw1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q83/p600x600/58376424_10155977187281960_3903662205870014464_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fktw1-1.fna&oh=960187f2fc28b44f67bcf5ed55f38488&oe=5D2F86F8

https://cdn77.motor.es/fotos-noticias/2018/08/min652x435/pontus-tidemand-supera-limites-volkswagen-polo-gti-r5-201849670_1.jpg

[br21]

Rear suspension was not really that big issue, it happened twice only. It was pure low quality welding of the rear arm. So it's really easy to solve.
Much bigger issue was power steering, but seems to be solved soon also.

[pantealex]

Despite all the problems with the car new Polos are coming.
Szymon Ruta is testing his new car before Rally Poland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRbVxnpl_E

It says "Printsport" in front and back, chassis #28
But maybe it´s his just like Stugemo´s Polo R5 which is also maintained by Printsport Finland

[Jarek Z]

Kajto shows his new car:
https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/344205372945295/

[br21]

It says "Printsport" in front and back, chassis #28
But maybe it´s his just like Stugemo´s Polo R5 which is also maintained by Printsport Finland

It's Printsport car, just rented by Ruta for some tests and rallies.

[RS]

Kajto shows his new car:
https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/344205372945295/

http://kajto.pl/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/kajetanowicz_i_szczepaniak_w_rajdzie_sardynii_poja da_nowa_rajdowka_2.jpg

[Mirek]

That's beautiful livery!

[mousti]

Veiby will drive Ypres with a Hyundai i20 R5.

“I really enjoyed Rally Ypres last year, it is for sure something special! It’s a great atmosphere at the rally, which you need to experience, it’s just incredible,” says Ole Christian, who was caught out last year on the Friday night. His 21st place did not reflect his performance, as the Norwegian competed under Rally2 regulations on Saturday morning incurring penalty time. This year, he will certainly not underestimate the stages.



“Before I competed at Ypres for the first time last year, I knew it was a very tricky rally, which you need tons of experience from to perform. It's fast, and most important, stay away from the gruelling ditches. "



Ole Christian will drive a Hyundai for the occasion, while defending his chances in the World Championship with a Volkswagen Polo R5. He emphasizes that it is a one-off opportunity.

“Our main challenge this year is to win events at WRC2 with the Volkswagen Polo GTI R5, and we will do Rally Italia Sardegna this week. But when this chance to drive a Hyundai i20 Coupe R5 suddenly became an option, I had to do it. "It will be very interesting to try out the car, and it is also a pleasure to drive the amazing Ypres stages again," concludes Veiby.

The colours of Hyundai will be further defended by Dutchman Martin van Iersel and moreover by Tom Cave, the leader in the British Rally Championship.

[pantealex]

Veiby will drive Ypres with a Hyundai i20 R5.

But when this chance to drive a Hyundai i20 Coupe R5

The colours of Hyundai will be further defended by Dutchman Martin van Iersel and moreover by Tom Cave, the leader in the British Rally Championship.

R5 is 5-door
WRC is coupe (or older is also 5-door)

Is he driving COUPE or not ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Holy smokes........the sound of a new Ford Fiesta R5 in the wild! #EcoBoost #R5MKII

https://t.co/kn0IR28REY

[Andre Oliveira]

Anders Grøndal from Norway,
Beppo Harrach from Austria,
Luís Rocha from Portugal,
Jaroslav Orsák from Czech Republic,
Matt Edwards from Great Britain,
Augusto Bestard from Paraguay,
Janis Baumanis from Latvia.

Those are the known drivers today at test. I guess guys like Simone Campedelli will have some first contact soon.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quotes from some of those above say the Fiesta's power is incredible, the steering is sharper and the car is lighter and faster than the old R5. And there are already 30 confirmed orders made.

[pantealex]

VW had 60 orders even before car was out in public.

I read somewhere that Skoda had 50 orders for EVO before 1st rally.

[Mirek]

Anders Grøndal from Norway,
Beppo Harrach from Austria,
Luís Rocha from Portugal,
Jaroslav Orsák from Czech Republic,
Matt Edwards from Great Britain,
Augusto Bestard from Paraguay,
Janis Baumanis from Latvia.

Those are the known drivers today at test. I guess guys like Simone Campedelli will have some first contact soon.

Eric Cais drove too.

[Andre Oliveira]

I heard about 49 allready. Deliver time of M-Sport is unbeatable.

[Andre Oliveira]

Niki Mayr-Melnhof

[Andre Oliveira]

Today tested:

Matt Edwards
Meirion Evans
Desi Henry
Jonny Greer
Garry Pearson

All from Great Britain

[Andre Oliveira]

Today:

Luís Rego Jr from Portugal
Armin Schwarz from Germany
Callum Black from Great Britain
Matt Edwards from Great Britain
Alex Laffey from Great Britain
Kris Princen from Belgium
Josh Moffett from Ireland
Sam Moffett from Ireland
Alan McGeehan from Great Britain
Derek McGeehan from Great Britain

[pantealex]

How many of those are driving other than Fiesta now ?
or are those all current Fiesta drivers ?

[Jarek Z]

How many of those are driving other than Fiesta now ?
or are those all current Fiesta drivers ?

Kris Princen was driving VW Polo R5 and had strange problems with suspension in this car, even in tarmac rallies.

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Kris-Princen-Van-Haspengouw-2019.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Anders Grøndal from Norway have 1, should bought new
Beppo Harrach from Austria have 1 in his team
Luís Rocha from Portugal bought allready MK2 (chassis 13)
Jaroslav Orsák from Czech Republic have 3 in his team, drives 1
Erik Cais from Czech Republic drives 1 of Orsak, still R2 driver
Matt Edwards from Great Britain have 1
Augusto Bestard from Paraguay have many in his team, allready bought one MK2
Janis Baumanis from Latvia is RX driver
Niki Mayr-Melnhof from Austria drives Harrach one
Meirion Evans from Great Britain have i20 R5
Desi Henry from Great Britain have Fiesta RS WRC
Jonny Greer from Great Britain have 1
Garry Pearson from Great Britain have 1
Luís Rego Jr from Portugal have 1 but rented one Škoda to this season, his Fiesta were rented to one rally
Armin Schwarz from Germany have 1 in his team
Callum Black from Great Britain have 1
Alex Laffey from Great Britain have 1
Kris Princen from Belgium drives VW now, prior runned Škoda
Josh Moffett from Ireland have 1
Sam Moffett from Ireland have 1
Alan McGeehan from Great Britain drives Mini WRC
Derek McGeehan from Great Britain drives Mini WRC

[the sniper]

Desi Henry is a long time Skoda guy. Meirion Evans is using an I20. Important to note with him that his dad hires out rally cars, so a good customer to impress...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Have been looking at the new Fiesta photos and tests for days now.

And just watching WRC2 cars at SS1 in Sardinia made me realise how old and basic the original Fiesta R5 really is now.

Cant wait to see the new car in action in Finland.

[Jarek Z]

The dream:

"Both Ole Christian Veiby and his Polo are now ready for another WRC gravel event. – The car has been rebuilt completely and we are fully prepared as ever and ready for Rally Italia Sardegna"
"The car has been through quite a detailed examination and rebuild, and is now ready for action again."
"We are giving it all again for this one and going for victory!"
(source: https://ocveiby.com/veiby-vie-for-victory-in-sardinia/)

The reality:

Veiby broke the rear suspension after the jump and retired after SS 1.

https://www.jfmotors.ie/wp-content/uploads/bb-plugin/cache/VWsmall-circle.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Test car 1, in Portugal last month

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8-F568XkAcnYhY?format=jpg&name=medium

[RS]

The dream:

"Both Ole Christian Veiby and his Polo are now ready for another WRC gravel event. – The car has been rebuilt completely and we are fully prepared as ever and ready for Rally Italia Sardegna"
"The car has been through quite a detailed examination and rebuild, and is now ready for action again."
"We are giving it all again for this one and going for victory!"
(source: https://ocveiby.com/veiby-vie-for-victory-in-sardinia/)

The reality:

Veiby broke the rear suspension after the jump and retired after SS 1.

https://www.jfmotors.ie/wp-content/uploads/bb-plugin/cache/VWsmall-circle.jpg

More faulty welds?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rear suspension was not really that big issue, it happened twice only. It was pure low quality welding of the rear arm. So it's really easy to solve.


:rolleyes:

[Mirek]

:rolleyes:


The reality:

Veiby broke the rear suspension after the jump and retired after SS 1

Any photo? Do we know exactly what happened?

[pantealex]

Veiby reached stage finish, you can´t do that without rear axel...

Suspension damage is different problem.

[Jarek Z]

Veiby reached stage finish, you can´t do that without rear axel...

Suspension damage is different problem.

He stopped again on SS2, but I don't know what happened. Now it seems he still continues the rally...

[Jarek Z]

This time it was just a puncture:
Veiby - "We had a slow puncture, stopped to change the wheel. Lost 54 seconds to fastest."

[Mirek]

He lost 2 minutes to Rovanperä in that stage.

[Andre Oliveira]

Loubet better in old Fabia than the official new ones? Hum

[RS]

Loubet better in old Fabia than the official new ones? Hum

To me it looks like WRC2 crews further back are benefitting from sweeping even, not just Loubet is surprisingly fast.

Kalle also has had some kind of problem with rear grip this morning.

[Mirek]

Kalle changed dampers in the service.

[Andre Oliveira]

Today:

Achiel Boxoen from Belgium, he drives one of Team Floral
Alex Köck from Austria (don't know who is)

[Sulland]

From the times in Sardinia, it looks like Mads proposed changes to the C3 starts to pay off.
As far as I know more jokers are in the pipleline.

[JUF]

Alex Köck from Austria (don't know who is)

He is a member of ZM Racing, the team which prepares Hermann Neubauer´s car.

[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks

[Andre Oliveira]

Photo of Matt Johnston, today, in Ireland
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9SkwSJW4AAGCyU?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9TcKpuWwAcKUEp?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First time I've been interested in anything Ken Block is doing.

[RS]

Skoda test upcoming young Finn: https://youtu.be/3axXNx0C1-M

[RS]

More: https://youtu.be/sPFvkdNj29w

[RS]

Veiby's broken suspension on Sardinia: https://youtu.be/QFjf4BX6Kp4

[Jarek Z]

Veiby's broken suspension on Sardinia: https://youtu.be/QFjf4BX6Kp4

It is apparently the jump at 4:09 in the below video that destroyed Veiby's car suspension:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1NOu6l_Co&t=4m09s

It is interesting what Kajto said after the finish of the rally:
Already a few days before the rally I knew that the change of car would be a good decision. We were analyzing plenty of circumstances, including the latest information about VW Polo. Of course I feel sorry for Veiby, because he is a fast driver.
(...)
This decision wasn't easy, but it turned out to be right.

[pantealex]

Skoda EVO has taken 1-2 wins in first 2 events, somehow I have feeling that Fiesta Mk8 won´t do that but still people are posting way more Fiesta news than Fabia news.

EWRC site has about 250 different Fiesta chassis and about 250 different Fabia chassis numbers but 90% about news is about Fiesta, WHY ?

Is the only reason The Look of Fabia, new one looks like old one ?

[Jarek Z]

Is the only reason The Look of Fabia, new one looks like old one ?

I think it may play a role. People treat this new Fiesta as a completely different car. And it looks much more exciting than Fabia.

[Jarek Z]

Another factor is that Ford has a lot to prove on the R5 market. Can the new Fiesta beat Skoda and Volkswagen?

[RS]

It is apparently the jump at 4:09 in the below video that destroyed Veiby's car suspension:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1NOu6l_Co&t=4m09s



Nothing unusual about the jump so I suppose some part was already damaged or again quality control issues with build or components.

Several Polos completed Sweden without such problems after jumps so in this case it can’t be a design fault.

[dimviii]

https://skoda-ms.s3.amazonaws.com/2019/06/003.jpg


https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/first-customer-teams-tested-fabia-r5-evo-video/

[Got Mail]

https://skoda-ms.s3.amazonaws.com/2019/06/003.jpg


https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/first-customer-teams-tested-fabia-r5-evo-video/

Only recognise Loubet - who are the other drivers?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

People treat this new Fiesta as a completely different car. And it looks much more exciting than Fabia.

It IS completely new car now based on the Mk8 Fiesta.

The Fabia is 'only' an EVO based on the same car with a facelift.

[dimviii]

Only recognise Loubet - who are the other drivers?

all drivers mentioned at link

[Mirek]

No, they are not. I can see at least Baumschlager and Marczyk on the photos and those are not mentioned in the article. Several others I can't recognize.

[pucky54]

...at least: Marczyk, Andolfi, Loubet, Burri, Wevers, Roché, Bedoret, Kresta, Monteiro...and of course Rovanperä ;)

[dimviii]

...at least: Marczyk, Andolfi, Loubet, Burri, Wevers, Roché, Bedoret, Kresta, Monteiro...and of course Rovanperä ;)

all of them drove the car,or they were just present at test?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pantealex states Rally Finland will see 4 new Mk8 Fiesta R5's - Bergkvist, Greensmith and Katsuta confirmed but one more is coming.

I cant wait to see them in action !

[Andre Oliveira]

Skoda EVO has taken 1-2 wins in first 2 events, somehow I have feeling that Fiesta Mk8 won´t do that but still people are posting way more Fiesta news than Fabia news.

EWRC site has about 250 different Fiesta chassis and about 250 different Fabia chassis numbers but 90% about news is about Fiesta, WHY ?

Is the only reason The Look of Fabia, new one looks like old one ?

It is a lot difficult find Škoda news than the M-Sport ones. Škoda is manufacter with 2 great drivers, M-Sport cars will be driven by costumers more of the time.

[pantealex]

Pantealex states Rally Finland will see 4 new Mk8 Fiesta R5's - Bergkvist, Greensmith and Katsuta confirmed but one more is coming.

I cant wait to see them in action !

Yep.

4 is what experts are talking.

[br21]

all of them drove the car,or they were just present at test?

It was already few weeks ago, and I think all of them drove and were passengers next to Rovanpera, but it was on the airport area, not in the forest

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eugene Donnelly been struggling in the Proton Iriz R5 in Donegal:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/55184-joule-donegal-international-rally-2019/2292938/

[dimviii]

After having registered numerous fires in different units of the Polo GTi R5, Volkswagen Motorsport reacted with a series of technical improvements, which are now finally available to all customers.

To validate these changes, the German manufacturer's staff traveled 650 km by land to the south of France, where Pontus Tidemand rehearsed at the wheel of a Polo R5. Unlike the first development tests of 2018, in which fuel was used by the firm Panta, this time, the Volkswagen was provided with the same Total fuel that is usually used in the WRC.

It should be recalled that Volkswagen had recognized that the change of fuel had stripped a design problem on its Polo GTi R5, which ended up causing the fires.

In the past Rally of Sardinia, Ole Christian Veiby was the only one who competed with a Volkswagen Polo R5 and was also the only one who could have the modifications to avoid fires. Despite the very high temperatures of this rally, the Norwegian could reach the end of the event, which was the end point for the validation phase of these new improvements in the fuel system.

This update, as Volkswagen announced a few days after the Rally of Portugal, includes a fuel tank booster, changes in the cell's ventilation and greater insulation in the exhaust system assembly, so it stays farther from the tank .

This improvement has been made available to customers free of charge. The Polo R5 already delivered previously will be modified very soon, while the units that were sold recently, have already brought the update included.

This weekend, there will be up to nine units of the Polo GTi R5 that will have these new developments. Five of them will be in Belgium for the Ypres Rally and the remaining four will be in Poland for the European Rally Championship (ERC).

Source: Rallye Sport (France)

[mousti]

And in Ypres Breen and Princen have Total on their Polo ..

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[br21]

And in Ypres Breen and Princen have Total on their Polo ..

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In Ypres you need to use control fuel of British or Belgian Champs, and Belgian is Carless, UK not sure but almost sure not Total. So maybe during tests it was only part of development for VW to check modifications.

[tommeke_B]

For BritishRC it's also Carless. Hiperflo Turbo Ultimate DEV2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"This is defo the best R5 I have ever driven. It's like a World Rally Car", claims Craig Breen after his first runs with the Polo GTI R5.

https://t.co/RHZlxJxbSd

[Nelly]

Any comparison times between Camilli and Breen?

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[tommeke_B]

Any comparison times between Camilli and Breen?

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It's not fair to compare times of Breen and Camilli. Breen has been in Ypres many times, had a proper pre-event test. Camilli was in Ypres for the first time, no pre-event test in the region, and arrived just in time for recce.

[Nelly]

It's not fair to compare times of Breen and Camilli. Breen has been in Ypres many times, had a proper pre-event test. Camilli was in Ypres for the first time, no pre-event test in the region, and arrived just in time for recce.Fair enough just wondering about car performance, I know how specialised the rally is. The polo on tarmac at least seems to be the pace setter for the time being.

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[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.racerviews.com/2019/07/02/camilli-on-the-new-fiesta-r5-you-are-really-connected-with-the-car/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.racerviews.com/2019/07/02/camilli-on-the-new-fiesta-r5-you-are-really-connected-with-the-car/

Strong engine plus predictable handling - sounds good. :)

[Oops!]

Eugene Donnelly been struggling in the Proton Iriz R5 in Donegal:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/55184-joule-donegal-international-rally-2019/2292938/

Definitely the most under powered R5 out there at the moment.... But it's a new car. The fiesta was very under powered when it appeared first.

[Mirek]

When Fiesta appeared first there was no other R5 on the marker. Fiesta was underpowered because the designers were careful about engine reliability. They could afford that because they had no competition. This is totally not the case now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ken Block tests the new Fiesta R5 in Ireland plus a nice interview with M-Sport's Rich Millener:

https://youtu.be/FW0XqcQPbxc

[Andre Oliveira]

MM-Motorsport

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_A_v95W4AA5_6e?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

Katsuta MM

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_07_2019/post-157-0-71156200-1562666138.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DIMVbWsAI27uv?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DIMVkX4AA0YhY?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DIMVkXYAI9cFD?format=jpg&name=small

[Jarek Z]

There is a riddle at the official M-Sport fanpage on Facebook.

"Last week saw the first all-new Ford Fiesta R5 roll out of the workshop to the customer! Who knows where it was headed?" :)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=415269419080055

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@MM_Motorsport
It's here !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DBGP6XYAUCMmK.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I would hazard a guess that MEM have had less backing from Proton than M-Sport did from Ford though. The Iriz has always gone well on the National events I've seen it on in the UK when its been up against 2 litre WRC and other R5 cars however to make the next step it needs support from Malaysia.

At Goodwood:
Video:https://www.facebook.com/I.MK84.I/videos/367069720645937/
https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62239421_1355402231274423_5565996978157912064_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQk_YABMslOoak6A4ruTfbN3n8wz7NYi94uhBRXzQTY hfsbJJ4r4hhPLg886qBgAVGM&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&oh=dd72fd2586405685dacfd53c14949daa&oe=5DADC04E

Oliver Mellors Rallying
"Delighted to be so close and mixing times with the World Rally drivers and cars..."

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_GVlHMW4AAvWLI?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_L7VrIXYAAc4r_?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_NqL5IXoAAofe9?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62337307_2265537893564170_7641531518698913792_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQlI1Gx0kXQpVeqNekGRxnb7YvcNOfRvmDNvgEklc7Y _g-1ECTAuZC18zeMC8F4wF9w&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo3-1.fna&oh=b6b5de1132eccdb6126626399446288c&oe=5DBCA0EE
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66360643_2265537916897501_2008122254281408512_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQn7er42zTaNFD1oGV2VAI582TJW_YJjcmhdHpY41HV eecVeyAqpk9S7KbbNyuWz8Hk&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo3-1.fna&oh=2f8aca7c7e0023f99d77012bf8dfe24e&oe=5DA46BBA
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66384232_2265537960230830_8431481299851542528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQmWAdkXmmD6ViCO4vWMd-nrD6nGccfQqu-S405OzHX2zoJfiVkFEIUfDeAeBJnS4y8&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo3-1.fna&oh=58430d4ed33164098319d1c2fe913d7b&oe=5DB6C4F3

[Andre Oliveira]

Pics by Rauno Paltser

https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67077237_2780348555327887_1391191043055026176_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQlte6LazOx0TWZZkFRkmOWX2Ddx7TySa_-WDmv6dD4DQ8M4oYhEL7bpqFGjqa2p2ts&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo3-1.fna&oh=bba42f3acf8ff4f6afdc0c28201a1f42&oe=5DC6C5CE
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66718412_2780348618661214_6417673131640487936_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQk8xRcLqbqrNC5wN0cJOZinPdSilgCu4f9EWgXS8Ei hV3Guxo0JtXw1zPoqfd8Yo7U&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo3-2.fna&oh=ab4f4ab1a76261d53c80ad98b05de09a&oe=5DA75105

[pantealex]

I did meet Fabia R5 "experts" this weekend.
They had spare parts lists and all dimencions.

EVO has even different doors than old R5 (the cutting is different)

btw. EVO has still 100% winning and new Fiesta not even single podiums...

[RS]

Early days for Fiesta.. Estonia was it’s first proper event right?

Next test will be ERC Rome next weekend. Campedelli is a strong driver so should be a good benchmark.

Estonia was definitely a disappointment though. Looked visibly slower than the Fabia and Polo in the videos. Also seems very quiet (quieter than Fabia even)

[Ucci]

Next test will be ERC Rome next weekend. Campedelli is a strong driver so should be a good benchmark.


Indeed, Cempedelli will be a perfect benchmark. I hope he wins....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There were many comments about the new Fiesta R5 testing lots of different things in Estonia by Suninen. He also hasnt driven the car much recently.

Its early days yet.

[Sulland]

I did meet Fabia R5 "experts" this weekend.
They had spare parts lists and all dimencions.

EVO has even different doors than old R5 (the cutting is different)

btw. EVO has still 100% winning and new Fiesta not even single podiums...

Any news on Toyota R5 from the Jyväskalä area, Pantealex?

[Mirek]

Can someone in short summarize the performance of the new Fiesta R5 in Estonia? I didn't follow the even much. Thanks in advance!

[Got Mail]

Can someone in short summarize the performance of the new Fiesta R5 in Estonia? I didn't follow the even much. Thanks in advance!

Between 0.5 and 1.0 secs/Km slower than the previous generation Fabia.

Didn't at an stage look like it turned in as well as the Fabia. As with previous generation, the front/rear pivot looked higher than Fabia and Polo making it sometimes look like it was running out of suspension travel on the front after big landings.

This would then appear to compromise the speed that the jumps could be taken.

Looks like there's a lot of work to do.

[Jarek Z]

Between 0.5 and 1.0 secs/Km slower than the previous generation Fabia.

What? Malcolm says the car is quicker! ;)
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40294-Rally-di-Roma-Capitale-2019&p=1223578&viewfull=1#post1223578

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli looks quicker in it today...
https://twitter.com/EricCamilli/status/1150764981908099072

[pantealex]

Any news on Toyota R5 from the Jyväskalä area, Pantealex?

NO!

With all problems with Yaris WRC they are fully focused to fix WRC...

[dimviii]

Camilli looks quicker in it today...
https://twitter.com/EricCamilli/status/1150764981908099072

https://twitter.com/EricCamilli/status/1150782873303232512

[AnttiL]

Camilli looks quicker in it today...
https://twitter.com/EricCamilli/status/1150764981908099072

The last time I heard someone say a new car looks fast on a test video, it was the C3 WRC

[dimviii]

The last time I heard someone say a new car looks fast on a test video, it was the C3 WRC

it was fast at asphalt.
The fastest i would say.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_nCFNVXsAcXCqW?format=jpg&name=medium

[pantealex]

Toni Gardemaister (TGS) got 1st customer Fabia EVO
Eerik Pietarinen will use it at Rally Finland WRC2 PRO class.

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 12 to 2C Competition

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_0hUWMX4AA_oWz?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=5IDW_CsHVKA

[dimviii]

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2019/07/23/VP-RACING-FUELS-TO-DEBUT-NEW-R51-FUEL

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe this will get the new Fiesta R5 maximum performance...

@MSportLtd
We're proud to team up with @VP_Racing_Fuels on the all-new Ford Fiesta R5. As an innovator in fuel technology, the company have just announced their newest rally fuel, VP R5.1, which has been specifically designed for the latest Fiesta.

➡️ Read more: https://t.co/nu0x83becX https://t.co/aXdxJmj0gF

[dimviii]

Maybe this will get the new Fiesta R5 maximum performance...


just a commercial agreement

[pantealex]

Maybe this will get the new Fiesta R5 maximum performance...

@MSportLtd
We're proud to team up with @VP_Racing_Fuels on the all-new Ford Fiesta R5. As an innovator in fuel technology, the company have just announced their newest rally fuel, VP R5.1, which has been specifically designed for the latest Fiesta.

➡️ Read more: https://t.co/nu0x83becX https://t.co/aXdxJmj0gF

Every car must use same FIA fuel...

Village events you can use what you want.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Every car must use same FIA fuel...
.

Exactly the same fuel provider or just all ones compliant with the FIA rules ?

[Mirek]

Exactly the same fuel provider or just all ones compliant with the FIA rules ?

Exactly same type from the same provider in all WRC events and also in certain national events (Belgium, UK I think as well).

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=5IDW_CsHVKA

Lindholm and Veiby were the drivers

[dimviii]

Rubén Pérez
‏ @RubnPerez


Ole Christian Veiby wasn't just trying for VW Motorsport this week.

The Norwegian driver was also shooting with a Hyundai i20 R5 alongside Hyundai Motorsport on asphalt in Italy. #WRC #ERC

Here's how it rolled:

https://youtu.be/v9c7PY3T6xw

[Andre Oliveira]

Second Fiesta R5 MK2 to MM-Motorsport

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAOE51zXUAQuB7i?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 10 to Wevers Sport (https://m.facebook.com/RallyeStory/)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAOSSGOWkAAns9d?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Exactly same type from the same provider in all WRC events and also in certain national events (Belgium, UK I think as well).

What's the point in M-Sport having a deal with VP Fuels then ?

[dimviii]

What's the point in M-Sport having a deal with VP Fuels then ?


just a commercial agreement

..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

..

"Our new R5.1 fuel is a real performer and is expected to debut in the car in July and be available around the world shortly after that.”

So what they announced is a blatant lie then, as they dont use that fuel in WRC.

[the sniper]

It doesn't mention the WRC in that quote.

As we've been here before... it's probably best that you address your concerns with M-Sport marketing to M-Sport themselves.

[Mirek]

Eddie, may I ask why are You concerned about that?

Anyway VP Racing is used by M-Sport in the ERC-Junior R2 cars (I believe that it's the case for Cais, Torn and Franceschi) and by many private users of both the R5 and R2 cars. AFAIK most of the Fiestas R5 here in CZ have been running the VP Racing fuels already for years.

[pantealex]

BRR also has Fabia EVO now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It doesn't mention the WRC in that quote.

it's probably best that you address your concerns with M-Sport marketing to M-Sport themselves.

I have. They need to be more careful with such social media posts and calling this 'News' on their website.

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/news

[Mirek]

I have. They need to be more careful with such social media posts and calling this 'News' on their website.

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/news

You're making a drama from something totally unimportant for anyone not directly involved in the business. That's waste of time and energy. Spend it for something which is worth it.

[PLuto]

Eddie, may I ask why are You concerned about that?

Anyway VP Racing is used by M-Sport in the ERC-Junior R2 cars (I believe that it's the case for Cais, Torn and Franceschi) and by many private users of both the R5 and R2 cars. AFAIK most of the Fiestas R5 here in CZ have been running the VP Racing fuels already for years.

For sure not. All ERC3 Junior crews must use in ERC rounds serial fuel from local petrol station. VP stickers on the car are only advertisement.

[pantealex]

1st Fabia EVO for Printsport (Finland) is ready.
Kari Hämäläinen (gentleman driver) will use it at 2 last FRC events, both rallies will be near Turku.

[pantealex]

I just saw brand new TokSport Fabia EVO.

Henning Solberg - Ilka Minor WRC Finland

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport Ford Fiesta R5 MK2 #5 and #6 to MM-Motorsport (Estonia)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAOE51zXUAQuB7i?format=jpg&name=medium

M-Sport Ford Fiesta R5 MK2 #7 to Augusto Bestard (Paraguay)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAv1eJeWwAEPEMq?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Andre Oliveira]

BRR also has Fabia EVO now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAQk3hCXYAAVqTR?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

I just saw brand new TokSport Fabia EVO.

Henning Solberg - Ilka Minor WRC Finland

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAoK_2UXYAExWru?format=jpg&name=large

[pantealex]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAoK_2UXYAExWru?format=jpg&name=large

Yep, my picture ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

It seems fixed the little issue that caused @TeemuSuninenRac issue in @RallyEstonia shakedown. Now it is protected. Now and before pics

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA07MtMWkAAqH4e?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA07MtVXUAIN0ox?format=jpg&name=large

[Mirek]

After watching the Harju in all live I'm not really impressed with the new Fiesta. It looks somewhat underpowered (especially when accelerating uphill from slow corner on the first gear) and somewhat strange behaving at moments (for example the rear inner wheel lifting in sharp corners with both cars).

[RS]

After watching the Harju in all live I'm not really impressed with the new Fiesta. It looks somewhat underpowered (especially when accelerating uphill from slow corner on the first gear) and somewhat strange behaving at moments (for example the rear inner wheel lifting in sharp corners with both cars).

Camilli said he was happy at the end of the stages, but he didn’t seem it.

Most strange.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Early days I know, but it must be a bit worrying for M-Sport how the new Fiesta is performing.

I agree with Mirek about looking under-powered and to me the chassis looks quite narrow for the body.

[Mirek]

I'm pretty sure they use the maximum allowed width 1820 mm.

The difference is that the new stock Fiesta is wider then the previous one or Fabia so the bodykit doesn't add that much.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe they have used too much from the WRC Fiesta and it doesnt work in an R5.

But the engine seems the biggest worry. Surprising as all those trying the car said how much stronger the engine was.

M-Sport need to sort it our asap or their reputation (& sales) will plummet.

[br21]

The engine is for sure not the thing to be worried about in that car

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBOoV7hW4AAB2Yb?format=jpg&name=large

[RS]

The engine is for sure not the thing to be worried about in that car

So what has gone wrong? Or is it just a matter of finding the right set up?

[Mirek]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBOoV7hW4AAB2Yb?format=jpg&name=large

I really like pure white rally cars...

By the way have you noticed that excdept for Herzig all other BRR drivers are entered with Fabia Evo for Barum? That was quick and not very good for VW...

[dimviii]

By the way have you noticed that excdept for Herzig all other BRR drivers are entered with Fabia Evo for Barum? That was quick and not very good for VW...

yeap... brr have 2 or 3 polos?

[Mirek]

Three I think but Andre knows for sure better.

[Andre Oliveira]

Three I think but Andre knows for sure better.

They have 3 (chassis 3, 14 and 17 (in rallycarsforsale.net now)).

[dimviii]

They have 3 (chassis 3, 14 and 17 (in rallycarsforsale.net now)).

all of them are for sale?

[Franky]

all of them are for sale?

Only chassis 17, which apparently is already sold - https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/vw-polo-gti-r5/

[hari]

Gallery: BRR Skoda Fabia R5 evo - first tests: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_brr_test_skoda_fabia_r5_evo_050819.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/brr050819/1.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBXW87yWsAErbbU?format=jpg&name=medium

[RS]

^^ Not heard of this team SXM?

[Andre Oliveira]

It is of Jourdan Serderidis

[RS]

It is of Jourdan Serderidis

Thanks :)

[mousti]

Also BMA will receive there Fabia Evo soon and it will start in Deutschland with Cracco Jr behind the wheel.

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[Andre Oliveira]

Yates tested Fiesta R5 MK2 yesterday at Sweet Lamb Rally Complex: https://www.facebook.com/1602617806694416/posts/2415154645440724?s=100000583095454&v=e&sfns=mo

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set?set=a.2840768739285995&type=3&sfns=mo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBhtiLqXoAIyDMg?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBhtiLYWsAA52SZ?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBhtiLjXkAA5SOM?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

#25 to Aloísio Monteiro (debut at Barum).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBhzRg2XoAEbwOq?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yates tested Fiesta R5 MK2 yesterday at Sweet Lamb Rally Complex: https://www.facebook.com/1602617806694416/posts/2415154645440724?s=100000583095454&v=e&sfns=mo

Another saying how impressive the car is on a test. Let's hope this translates into some good results on gravel soon.

[AnttiL]

Another saying how impressive the car is on a test. Let's hope this translates into some good results on gravel soon.

You should learn more about media literacy.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You should learn more about media literacy.

So all the positive comments from those testing is just spin ? No-one is going to say anything bad after being invited to drive it. Maybe so.

[Sulland]

Toyota plans a 3 cylinder 1 liter R5.

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/artikel/toyota-plant-r5-mit-drei-zylindern-41617/

Is this a good idea, and will FIA say yes to their request?

[tommeke_B]

I can't find anything that says "1 litre" in the article.

[Sulland]

I can't find anything that says "1 litre" in the article.

True, my mistake. I blame the jet lag :p

[Rallyper]

So three cylinder 1600cc turbo, is it a torque thing then?

[itix]

Can anyone think of any successful three cylinder motorsport engines for cars? (in something other than a one make series for Toyota aygo or whatever).

I sure as hell can't, and I can't imagine this will possibly end well.

[AnttiL]

Can anyone think of any successful three cylinder motorsport engines for cars? (in something other than a one make series for Toyota aygo or whatever).

I sure as hell can't, and I can't imagine this will possibly end well.

Ford Fiesta R2

[dimviii]

Ford Fiesta R2

+wartburg 2 stroke

[stefanvv]

You can't call that successful rally car, but you can call this one - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Union_1000

[Sulland]

Also SAAB used 3 cyl 2 stroke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHBgg3mSeU

But the Ford 1 litre engine is amazing piece of engineering!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFj5UIZx2cE

[pantealex]

Can anyone think of any successful three cylinder motorsport engines for cars? (in something other than a one make series for Toyota aygo or whatever).

I sure as hell can't, and I can't imagine this will possibly end well.

Before quattro everyone think that 4wd isn´t succesfull...

Someone must be 1st in everything.

You really think that Fiesta R2 isn´t successful ???

[Rallyper]

So what´s the thing then? Bore x stroke changes? Less weight moving?

Any engineers telling theoretically thoughts?

[Jarek Z]

Ford Fiesta R2

Exactly. Estonian driver Ken Torn entered 3 ERC events with this car this year. And he won them all, despite good competitors. Check out ERC3 standings:
https://www.fiaerc.com/standings/#

[AnttiL]

So what´s the thing then? Bore x stroke changes? Less weight moving?

Any engineers telling theoretically thoughts?

Interest of the factory to develope three cylinder engines?

[Mirek]

Not sure about the longevity of the 1 litre Ford engine in a road car as they've had quite a few blow up and ramping up the turbo and Ford's penny pinching approach is a volatile mix. For competition with short life before a rebuild I'm sure it makes perfect sense to have the engine as light as possible and of course easier to sell the eco cred of a 3 cylinder...

Hmm, as far as I know the issues with Ford EcoBoost are not the case of one litre but more of the 1.5 four cylinder. The one litre has been AFAIK pretty reliable engine.

[Andre Oliveira]

August 13th, the chassis 13

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB2nU7NXsAA0A1H?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB2p0dVWsAEsSEA?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://twitter.com/oliversolberg01/status/1161674985129332736?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB9iwJ6XoAAB-xq?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/959533221104402/posts/1060850994305957?s=100000583095454&sfns=mo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECGiCx-X4AA6KAc?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECGiCxcXYAA4HSu?format=jpg&name=medium

https://www.facebook.com/media/set?set=a.2453732454710381&type=3&sfns=mo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECGgLoGW4AEuPDs?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Today, Eric Camilli and Simone Campedelli tested the Ford Fiesta R5 MK2

https://www.rallyssimo.it/2019/08/16/campedelli-e-camilli-al-test-di-sviluppo-della-nuova-ford-fiesta-r5/

https://www.rallyssimo.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/IMG-20190816-WA0027-1200x675.jpg
https://www.rallyssimo.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/img-20190816-wa00222804491205281048340.jpg
https://www.rallyssimo.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/img-20190816-wa00254358430779430668965.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://youtu.be/waVgXiMPplE
https://youtu.be/8s0o4fL-Qek

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/497732790382433/posts/1395164397305930?s=100000583095454&sfns=mo

[Rallyper]

https://twitter.com/oliversolberg01/status/1161674985129332736?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB9iwJ6XoAAB-xq?format=jpg&name=medium

Meaning what?

[pantealex]

Meaning what?

Air-intake for "Safari" type events.

[Rallyper]

Air-intake for "Safari" type events.

Ascchhhaaaaa...!!

[Andre Oliveira]

Serderidishttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EChQSu1WsAELh_y?format=jpg&name=large

[skarderud]

Anders Grøndal did the first test with his new fiesta R5 mk2 today, ready for this weekends rally Grimstad on tarmac.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190822/33f1926f78fb4e71382a29a3da2e1925.jpg

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

As it was delivered. Fiesta R5 Mk2 just stunning in blue... wish you could buy one like this as an ST !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECl-3ekXUAESc5o?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECl-3enWsAAwrdW?format=jpg&name=medium

[pantealex]

M-Sport Essi said that it isn´t FORD RS blue but colour is great

[AnttiL]

Post moved from Rally Deutschland topic. You can continue here the discussion if you want.




Ford has big problems. Especially with R5 car. MW wants money from his drivers. Then he can´t get proper drivers maybe doing some better result, with still a car that hasn´t the speed.
Main point is for sure car isn´t good enough. Not yet.
MW had chances to gain better results if money wasn´t his most important goal. Now he could loose all, when Skoda and VW selling the more R5´s...


The main point is just that the car is not good. A driver like Camilli or Suninen should be good enough to be on pace with any R5. This was proved by Breen, who won rallies with the old Fiesta and even with the Hyundai. Drivers with less experience have won WRC2 with Fabias and Polos (and old Fiestas).

When a private team or driver decides to buy a new car, they aren't today relying only on marketing talk. They can watch videos and read results, they know what the cars can do. It's not down to magic tricks.

[tommeke_B]

Too early to write off the new Fiesta R5. Let's see how it develops. The new Fabia R5 is (at this moment) hardly faster than the old one.

[Rallyper]

Post moved from Rally Deutschland topic. You can continue here the discussion if you want.



The main point is just that the car is not good. A driver like Camilli or Suninen should be good enough to be on pace with any R5. This was proved by Breen, who won rallies with the old Fiesta and even with the Hyundai. Drivers with less experience have won WRC2 with Fabias and Polos (and old Fiestas).

When a private team or driver decides to buy a new car, they aren't today relying only on marketing talk. They can watch videos and read results, they know what the cars can do. It's not down to magic tricks.

You just say what I mean. Marketing talk is getting results, not bragging at service park.

Oooppps. Now I leave again.

[Mirek]

Too early to write off the new Fiesta R5. Let's see how it develops. The new Fabia R5 is (at this moment) hardly faster than the old one.

On the other hand I had a rather long talk about the Fiesta with an engineer from one of the potential customer and this guy was honestly shocked how bad the car appeared so far. As everyone he expected it to be much better than what it has shown so far. And it was not only about the stage times or the drivers but also about the dreadful appearance in Finland and Estonia where the car looked like it was all just an initial testing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe so... M-Sport did put all their efforts into the WRC car for Ogier in the last two years.

Not surprising if the new R5 is undercooked.

[Mise]

If you take out the two factory Skodas it seems like Polo is the fastest R5 atm.

[Mirek]

Yes, I also think that the Polo is the fastest R5 now. There is still some work on the reliability though.

[Jarek Z]

Anders Grøndal did the first test with his new fiesta R5 mk2 today, ready for this weekends rally Grimstad on tarmac

That's a nice oldschool livery on Grondal's new Fiesta R5:
https://www.rallygrimstad.no/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/DSC_0013.jpg

There are 9 other R5 cars on the entry list, so there will be a chance to compare the car against other competitors (but, apart from Veiby and Larsen, their names tell me nothing):
http://www.nmkhadeland.com/images/stories/Forel%C3%B8pig_Startliste_Rally_Grimstad_2019.pdf

Good luck to the new Ford!