Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Andre Oliveira]

2 Fiesta R5 to Portugal: João Barros and Diogo Salvi.

[kober]

2 Fiesta R5 to Portugal: João Barros and Diogo Salvi.According to autoklub.pl, M-Sport have sold 25 Fiesta R5s already. Quite a number in such a short time.

[Andre Oliveira]

eWRC-results.com - profile João Barros (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=23690&t=João-Barros)
eWRC-results.com - profile Diogo Salvi (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=23685&t=Diogo-Salvi)

Btw, Diogo Salvi is son of Giovanni Salvi

eWRC-results.com - profile Giovanni Salvi (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=22848&t=Giovanni-Salvi)

More 3 (2 rumours, 1 to Bernardo Sousa offcourse (AT Rally Team bough one)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evo Magazine in the UK have a feature on the Fiesta R5 ...

'A road-going R5 could change how we think about performance cars'. Evo 186. On sale now...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRJxFzGCYAE8Ra0.jpg:large

Rally car on the road
Can the undoubted king of the stage be king of the road as well? Henry tries the brand-new Ford Fiesta R5, part of the bright new future for international rallying !

[Mirek]

Is that road from Rally of the Lakes? Looks awesome!

[makinen_fan]

View the whole article here if you are interested:
EVO sept (http://www.scribd.com/doc/159007575/EVO-sept)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Its the Honister Pass, near Keswick, in the English Lake District.

The M-Sport factory is also nearby at Cockermonth, so I presume that's why they tested the car there.

I just saw this info from Evo on Twitter and haven't read the magazine yet.

EDIT: thanks Makinen-fan !

[Mintexmemory]

Its the Honister Pass, near Keswick, in the English Lake District.

The M-Sport factory is also nearby at Cockermonth, so I presume that's why they tested the car there.

I just saw this info from Evo on Twitter and haven't read the magazine yet.

EDIT: thanks Makinen-fan !
For those of you who don't know the UK the area known as the Lake District not only contains the lakes but also mountains with steep valleys also produced by the glaciation process that resulted in the lakes. If we could close our public roads for rallies this area would be A1 territory. If you can get on these roads very early in the day (before the tourists) the experience is thrilling

[makinen_fan]

Tom Cave is another driver associated with R5 Fiesta from his twitter:


@tomcaverally17m
Really impressed with the Ford Fiesta R5, mega car to drive! Great chat with Malcolm Wilson as well, Good day�� #R5 #Ford #WRC2 @DovenbyHall

[Allyc85]

For those of you who don't know the UK the area known as the Lake District not only contains the lakes but also mountains with steep valleys also produced by the glaciation process that resulted in the lakes. If we could close our public roads for rallies this area would be A1 territory. If you can get on these roads very early in the day (before the tourists) the experience is thrilling

It would be one classic stage, would really sort the men from the boys!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPG_DvMSmCk

[dupanton]

Serderidis wrecked his car during a test... Possibly, they wont repair the car anymore??

[cosmin_sb]

Marco Tempestini will run with Fiesta R5 at Arad Rally, 6th round in the Romanian championship.

[Sulland]

Will be interessting to see if the Fiesta will be the Fiat Grande Punto of the R5s, being first out!

[RS]

Will be interessting to see if the Fiesta will be the Fiat Grande Punto of the R5s, being first out!

Yes, Malcolm is obviously doing well now with sales but it might backfire in the long term.

Presume there are similar restrictions on homologation to the S2000?

[catty]

Yes, Malcolm is obviously doing well now with sales but it might backfire in the long term.

Presume there are similar restrictions on homologation to the S2000?
There are proper restrictions on homologation for R5's.
Only 3 changes are permitted (afaik) after homologation meaning that if the 208/DS3 is quicker there'll be very little opportunity for M-Sport to recover the difference

[tolis]

Martin Koci tested the Fiesta R5: Test Ford Fiesta R5, Martin Ko (http://www.mediaracing.sk/video-play/1046//)

[Sulland]

Just a quick thought: Could Skoda put in 4 similar corners when it comes to suspension, to the current Fabia + some other bits and pieces to get it according to R5 and homologate that, and the homologate a complete new car using the new platform in 2015 or is that forbidden somewhere?

[Mirek]

They will not homologate R5 untill Fabia III comes out. Don't waste time speculating.

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg0PnOt3Pj0

[Sulland]

They will not homologate R5 untill Fabia III comes out. Don't waste time speculating.

Ok, but it was not meant as speculation, just trying to understand the limits within the regulations.

Lets take another example; Proton take their current S2000 and changes it to a R5, and homologate 1st jan 14. 2015 the prod mod comes out in a completely new form, can they homologate this one in 2015?

[Andre Oliveira]

Saliuk (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151516633830404&set=a.235752830403.146835.165993595403&type=1&theater)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1146505_10151516633830404_1517812226_n.jpg

[Mirek]

JM Racing car which replaces the one Fabia sold to France.

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Peugeot postponed homologation of the 208 T16 to january 2014 in order to have same possibilities as the sister car Citroën DS3 "R5" about new mechanical parts rules :confused:

[liposh]

I think the homologation of DS3 would still be 3 months after 208 T16...so it means 1st March 2014.

[Mirek]

Apparently Peugeot postponed homologation of the 208 T16 to january 2014 in order to have same possibilities as the sister car Citroën DS3 "R5" about new mechanical parts rules :confused:

I thought it was postponed to 1st January already several months a go. As far as I heard DS3 shall be mechanically identical car so it can be theoretically homologated together with 208 without problems.

[Renuta]

Amazing.

[tommeke_B]

Amazing.You need 10 useless posts before you can spam us with your links? :)

[Mirek]

Bad quality video of Fabia 1.6T on gravel (Kopecký driving): Å*koda Fabia R5 turbo - Kopecký - Dressler - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbXaxRX5LHo)

[tolis]

First win for Fiesta R5 in Ukraine: eWRC-results.com - results Aleksandrov Rally 2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=7948&t=Aleksandrov-Rally-2013)

[stefanvv]

First win for Fiesta R5 in Ukraine: eWRC-results.com - results Aleksandrov Rally 2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=7948&t=Aleksandrov-Rally-2013)

Yeah, fierce competition with Mini. Good though :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Better result than that he had with Skoda.

[stefanvv]

Better result than that he had with Skoda.

I would put my money on this car against current S2000 (I'm not sure for 1.6T). Just seems it is kind of new for the drivers I've watched so far. Well in Finland Ketomaa showed some potential.

[RS]

Bad quality video of Fabia 1.6T on gravel (Kopecký driving): Å*koda Fabia R5 turbo - Kopecký - Dressler - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbXaxRX5LHo)

It sounds better than the other two at least.

Impressed they have tested on both surfaces already. Soon they will surpass the Fiesta R5 testing mileage maybe :D

[uranium]

Yeah, fierce competition with Mini. Good though :D

Which care is more powerful? Or both of them are more or less equal?

[tommeke_B]

I would say, if the car is "only" as fast as a Mini RRC, they have a problem...

[HarriK]

better video about r5 skoda gravel test:
Å*koda Fabia R5 1,6Turbo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-xjrgkOyk)

[RS]

better video about r5 skoda gravel test:
Å*koda Fabia R5 1,6Turbo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-xjrgkOyk)

Looks nearly ready :D Shame the bodyshell is not.

[dimviii]

nice sounding! cant wait to see it at rallies.

[miniwintz]

Is it really R5 spec or just a S2000 Fabia evo with a 1.6T R5 spec engine? I guess the engine is not the only difference between S2000 N/A and R5

[Mirek]

Nobody would tell You what is already R5 spec. and what is not. They use S2000 bodyshell because they are not allowed to show Fabia III before it is launched officially. But for the rest we can only guess.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.cnr.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Fiesta-R5-600x424.jpg

[uranium]

I would say, if the car is "only" as fast as a Mini RRC, they have a problem...

What do you mean? If I understood you correctly, you say, R5 is better, right?

[tommeke_B]

What do you mean? If I understood you correctly, you say, R5 is better, right?

It should be better yes. If it matches a Mini RRC, I believe it should be slower than a Fiesta RRC (not to mention DS3 RRC), right? ;)

[RS]

Is it really R5 spec or just a S2000 Fabia evo with a 1.6T R5 spec engine? I guess the engine is not the only difference between S2000 N/A and R5

It must at least be running an R5 gearbox too I guess in order to give the engine a realistic workout for "real life" conditions.

[dupanton]

As they are doing tests on both gravel and tarmac, I guess there will be a new suspension already as well. Otherwise, I don't see the use of testing on both surfaces, if the engine/drivetrain is good on 1 surface, it will be good on the other one too, no?

[Mirek]

Not really. To be the best You have to find every bit of possible improvement. As the lifetime development of R5 cars is very limited (major modifications only once per 3 years I think) it's better to find the optimum as soon as possible. I do believe all WRC teams use different engine mapping for every event and I'm pretty sure even Škoda changes them quite often for S2000. For example on fast asphalt events You need peak power but on twisty muddy stages You need torque in low rpm because in high rpm You have no traction.

Same goes for gearing, there is never one common optimum for both asphalt and gravel. If You need one, it's a kind of compromise. Even asphalt events are different from each other. for example gearing of Punto S2000 was completely different than of Fiesta (I think these two were the most different of all).

Also for reliability it's good to do testing in life-conditions. When Škoda was developing the S2000 they for example left the cars stand out in the winter to start them as cold as possible. They drove cars to testing locations over motorway on their own etc. On gravel You have the dust or different stress to engine mountings, to clutch or to anything what can get loose.

[RS]

Also for reliability it's good to do testing in life-conditions. When Škoda was developing the S2000 they for example left the cars stand out in the winter to start them as cold as possible. They drove cars to testing locations over motorway on their own etc. On gravel You have the dust or different stress to engine mountings, to clutch or to anything what can get loose.

That's cool.

I think we can see again Skoda are going to run a very thorough testing schedule given that they are already on both surfaces 16 months before homologation!

I recently read that Hans-Jochaim Stuck was one of the test drivers for the Fabia S2000. Not sure how useful such an old man can be for that job but quite cool they had such a diverse range of drivers and opinions developing that car.

[RS]

better video about r5 skoda gravel test:
Å*koda Fabia R5 1,6Turbo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-xjrgkOyk)

Just watched this again, and to me this car seems much closer in style to a WRCar than the other R5s. Maybe just because it is running "virtual" WRC chassis and transmission?

[Mirek]

I recently read that Hans-Jochaim Stuck was one of the test drivers for the Fabia S2000. Not sure how useful such an old man can be for that job but quite cool they had such a diverse range of drivers and opinions developing that car.

Really? I never heard about him. I remember Baumschlager, Kopecký, Starý and Lindholm at the start. Than also Sainz or Panizzi were shortly involved. Later of course Hänninen, Loix, Mikkelsen, Kresta and now also Wiegand. Sure I forgot someone.

[RS]

Really? I never heard about him. I remember Baumschlager, Kopecký, Starý and Lindholm at the start. Than also Sainz or Panizzi were shortly involved. Later of course Hänninen, Loix, Mikkelsen, Kresta and now also Wiegand. Sure I forgot someone.

?King of Hockenheim? in a Czech SUV - ?KODA (http://new.skoda-auto.com/en/news/2013-08-09-yeti-stuck)

[dupanton]

Not really. To be the best You have to find every bit of possible improvement. As the lifetime development of R5 cars is very limited (major modifications only once per 3 years I think) it's better to find the optimum as soon as possible. I do believe all WRC teams use different engine mapping for every event and I'm pretty sure even Škoda changes them quite often for S2000. For example on fast asphalt events You need peak power but on twisty muddy stages You need torque in low rpm because in high rpm You have no traction.

Same goes for gearing, there is never one common optimum for both asphalt and gravel. If You need one, it's a kind of compromise. Even asphalt events are different from each other. for example gearing of Punto S2000 was completely different than of Fiesta (I think these two were the most different of all).

Also for reliability it's good to do testing in life-conditions. When Škoda was developing the S2000 they for example left the cars stand out in the winter to start them as cold as possible. They drove cars to testing locations over motorway on their own etc. On gravel You have the dust or different stress to engine mountings, to clutch or to anything what can get loose.

Engine mapping and gearing seems to me one of the last steps of the development, but I can be wrong. For the reliability, you are absolutly right, didn't thought of that :)

[Mirek]

Engine mapping and gearing seems to me one of the last steps of the development, but I can be wrong. For the reliability, you are absolutly right, didn't thought of that :)

Mapping was an example. When the engine is already homologated You can't change more than maps but before during the development You can change whatever You want.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Early this year, there were talks about a Honda Jazz/Civic R5 developed by J.A.S. Motorsport with backing from Honda! Was just rumors or real news? Because it's a bit strange that nothing was heard ever since.

[Andre Oliveira]

Tempestini will not race with R5 on Rally Arad, the car would be rent to JM Engineering (Saliuk car) but the car cannot travel from ukraine to romania in time :( he will run with Fabia S2000

[Sulland]

Early this year, there were talks about a Honda Jazz/Civic R5 developed by J.A.S. Motorsport with backing from Honda! Was just rumors or real news? Because it's a bit strange that nothing was heard ever since.

Was it not this one: Honda Jazz G2 Rally Car Test Italy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8eCkrojaI)

[Mirek]

No, Jazz G2 is an FWD Kit Car according to Australian rules.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Altought I understand that the Jazz boddy makes sense, from everything I could find in the internet, allways says that it's a Civic. I know that they had a S2000 bodywork that was later converted in the Type-R FN3 or so car for VLN, but thats an old version of the Civic. I guess this was more about a rumour than a real thing!

So, Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, Skoda and Opel could be real, Proton, Renault, Honda and Toyota goes to the maybe one day list!

[Mirek]

Civic is too big for the rules in my opinion.

[liposh]

I believe Renault will build the Clio R5 too. It makes sense to me.

[TheFlyingTuga]

I believe Renault will build the Clio R5 too. It makes sense to me.

Yes, probably! A bit of OT but Yves Matton confirms that Citroen will introduce later this year a Max version of their R3T car in order to compete with the newly developed Clio R3T that Renault are building! Let's see if they make a R5 out of it as well!

[noel157]

There are some rumours that Renault have been building/developing/testing etc a Clio R5. But rumours are rumours.

[kober]

Yes, probably! A bit of OT but Yves Matton confirms that Citroen will introduce later this year a Max version of their R3T car in order to compete with the newly developed Clio R3T that Renault are building! Let's see if they make a R5 out of it as well!No, Citroen will make their R5 out of Peugeot 208 T16. The plan is to modify the shell, and replace the badge.

[TheFlyingTuga]

No, Citroen will make their R5 out of Peugeot 208 T16. The plan is to modify the shell, and replace the badge.

I'm talking about the R3T car, not the R5 ;)

[kober]

I'm talking about the R3T car, not the R5 ;)
I must have misinterpreted the following sentence:


Let's see if they make a R5 out of it as well!

[TheFlyingTuga]

I must have misinterpreted the following sentence:

Yes, that sentence is about the Clio. Because Yves Matton said that they're further developing their DS3 R3T into a Max because he knows that Renault it's making a Clio for that same category! That said, since their making a Clio R3T car, let's see if a R5 came out as well!

Cheers mate

[Mirek]

Test of Tomáš Kostka with Fiesta R5 for Barum. Very nice! Action starts at 3:30


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OW-1pJLpns

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe some clue... Miguel Barbosa facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502635289824946&set=a.236829476405530.59932.193701397385005&type=1&theater)

eWRC-results.com - profile Miguel Barbosa (http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=17640&t=Miguel-Barbosa)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1185125_502635289824946_981116096_n.jpg

[Allyc85]

Video from the Evo magazine article, featuring the R5 Fiesta on public roads.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZjePaiteBs

[Mirek]

The so called "soft" anti-lag system of R5 cars means that all fuel must go through combustion chamber.

[amilk]

The so called "soft" anti-lag system of R5 cars means that all fuel must go through combustion chamber.

Mirek - your impressions "in live" about R5 ?

[Mirek]

Mirek - your impressions "in live" about R5 ?

As I wrote already after Ypres I was not much impressed by Fiesta. Too quiet and somewhat strange suspension working on asphalt. The Peugeot was much more spectacular but it was also very raw especially in suspension setup. The rear axle was very bad. We'll see in the future but I think that Peugeot/Citroën will be faster than Ford when they come out. Anyway an FIA technician told me that if R5 are not faster than S2000 they would enlarge restrictor to make them faster. It's the goal to be achieved.

[RS]

Again on the Barum videos the Fiesta looks and sounds boring. Pech's Mini is better, and I thought that used to be a boring car!

[Mirek]

Pech's Mini has never been a boring car ;) Besides that it costs much more to run than the Fiesta...

[RS]

Haha, maybe I should have said "the Mini" rather than Pech's Mini. I remember when Sordo drove it on Corsica it was nothing exciting to watch.

[makinen_fan]

Kris Meeke tests the DS3 R5 today (Citroen twitter account)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTKsTYoIQAAexbS.jpg

[Rasantes]

Vídeo by Fernando Albes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63gLV2mtYdE

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63gLV2mtYdE

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe some clue... Miguel Barbosa facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502635289824946&set=a.236829476405530.59932.193701397385005&type=1&theater)

eWRC-results.com - profile Miguel Barbosa (http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=17640&t=Miguel-Barbosa)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1185125_502635289824946_981116096_n.jpg

Confirmation that tested the Fiesta R5 at Catalunya today.
João Barros will test friday, at Cockermouth forest, receive the car in October and possibly enter on Rali Casinos do Algarve. João Barros - profile eWRC-results.com (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=23690&t=João-Barros)




Kris Meeke tests the DS3 R5 today (Citroen twitter account)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTKsTYoIQAAexbS.jpg

Hans Weijs jr tested too, Matton said that the car will be course car on Alsace or Catalunya with Yvan Muller driving. Source (http://autosport.pt/citroen-inicia-testes-do-ds3-r5=f114406)

[makinen_fan]

Does anyone know approximately what components are shared between the DS3 and 208 R5? The engine note seems a bit different than the 208 i think

[Mirek]

The cars shall be mechanically identical (except different wheelbase) if I have good info.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTLn02ZIUAAZXMI.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

Volkswagen and Skoda could share parts to, in order to have more two R5's.

[Jack4688`]

Volkswagen and Skoda could share parts to, in order to have more two R5's.

I hope so, and maybe a SEAT Ibiza R5 too. An Audi A1 would just be a travesty though :D

[polo10]

Volkswagen and Skoda could share parts to, in order to have more two R5's.

Don t think so, VW will focus only in WRC anda Skoda in R5....Don t dream about that

[tommeke_B]

Don t think so, VW will focus only in WRC anda Skoda in R5....Don t dream about that

Do I win a beer if there will be a VW Polo R5 in the future? :D

[polo10]

Do I win a beer if there will be a VW Polo R5 in the future? :D

10 beers for you ;-)....That would be the best news for me....

[tommeke_B]

10 beers for you ;-)....That would be the best news for me....

This post can and will be used against you, when opportunity arrives. :p

[polo10]

This post can and will be used against you, when opportunity arrives. :p

It will be a pleasure to pay those beers ;-)

[Rallying UK]

CITROËN DS3 R5: Here's the full story in photos and video of the launch and development of Citroën Racing's new DS3 R5:

Citroën Racing's DS3 R5 in pictures (with images, tweets) · RallyingUK · Storify (http://bit.ly/15mZBb3)

[A FONDO]

Not, tell him

[dimviii]

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7617/l1wq.jpg

[Kielder]

Sordo will drive the DS3 R5 tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTUzZQ7CYAADlCo.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Sordo will drive the DS3 R5 tomorrow.


you are responsible for photos,videos,driver interview,and spectators comments. :D

[MartijnS]

Hans Weijs tested the DS3 R5 again today!

http://sphotos-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1185960_10201288517988915_70366391_n.jpg

[Kielder]

you are responsible for photos,videos,driver interview,and spectators comments. :D

In @fernandoalbes (https://twitter.com/fernandoalbes), who revealed the information, we trust :p . In fact, he was in the South of France following Meeke's test (he recorded the video posted on the previous page). Shortly he will write an article about it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTL4qbQIMAAlkUI.jpg:large

BTW, Sordo will drive the car because Meeke is on his way to Australia, so I don't believe Sordo testing means anything about him staying in Citroën.

[EightGear]

Where did you get that picture Martijn? :)

[Kielder]

Before leaving, Meeke started to find the limits of the car...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTWIz1QCYAAQmdv.jpg

[MartijnS]

Where did you get that picture Martijn? :)

Facebook of I think the son of Radboud van Hoek who was the co-driver today.

[Rasantes]

Dani Sordo testing today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTZC1GXIYAAndLT.jpg:large

[tommeke_B]

Anyone has details about the rules concerning air intake and aerodynamics? I heard you can't make more holes in the engine hood etc... But if you look at the DS3, it has a massive "mouth" :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Autotek are selling one Fiesta R5: M-Sport Fiesta R5. Rallycars.info (http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrc&md=details&id=71311)

[bluuford]

Well.. it seems that whatever car they are running..it breaks down.. I had a builder in my apartment a few months ago and he said.. there is nearly no price.. and the quality is the same;-)

[Kielder]

Sordo driving the DS3 R5:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTf3C5mCEAA3RCg.jpg:large

P.S. No more photos, videos, driver interview or spectators comments yet :p .

[TyPat107]

Is that an oil cooler in the top part of the front bumper vent?

[kober]

Citroen DS3 R5 set for 2014 ERC action - News - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1462)

It looks like the DS3 will be homologated on the 1st of January, so there won't be any delay compared to the 208: "[...] DS3 R5 will be ready [...] from 1 January 2014, project head Alexis Avril has confirmed."

[Andre Oliveira]

João Barros tested Fiesta R5

http://autosport.pt/users/0/51/fiestar5barros13-05bc.jpg

Source (http://autosport.pt/joao-barros-o-fiesta-r5-e-fantastico=f114487)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTjFPs3CQAAyCiS.jpg

[Sulland]

Mparts from Sweden is building a Mitsubishi Sapacestar R5 from scratch, with blessing from Mitsubishi.
It is for now ment for national homologation, but that might change.
Plan is to have it ready for the 2014 season in Sweden!

[br21]

Spoke with Kosciuszko today about differences between Fiestas R5 and RRC. He said RRC turns better but R5 is little bit more powerful

[Mirek]

Mparts from Sweden is building a Mitsubishi Sapacestar R5 from scratch, with blessing from Mitsubishi.
It is for now ment for national homologation, but that might change.
Plan is to have it ready for the 2014 season in Sweden!

Spacestar is fifteen years old MPV, it must be other car...

[A FONDO]

Mparts from Sweden is building a Mitsubishi Sapacestar R5 from scratch, with blessing from Mitsubishi.
It is for now ment for national homologation, but that might change.
Plan is to have it ready for the 2014 season in Sweden!

Sounds interesting. I deeply respect such people with ideas and courage to do something else than buy the hyper-expensive "official" cars.

[A FONDO]

Spoke with Kosciuszko today about differences between Fiestas R5 and RRC. He said RRC turns better but R5 is little bit more powerful

What means "turns better" ?? Can it be just bad setup?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You’re driving a Ford Fiesta R5 for the first time. What are your impressions of the car?

“It’s a very good car, with a strong engine and five-speed gearbox. You drive it like a Group N car, not sliding as much and you approach the corners not at such high speed and more in a straight line. You then need to throw the car in the corners but you have the power to exit.”

[TheFlyingTuga]

Spacestar is fifteen years old MPV, it must be other car...

I think Sulland it's talking about the new Space Star/Mirage/Colt

Mitsubishi Space Star 2013, urbano y prestacional : (http://www.elrincondelconductor.com/2013/05/mitsubishi-space-star-2013-urbano-y-prestacional/)

The article is in spanish, but it's just to show the photos! At least here in Portugal the car has a small engine with just 80bhp!

[Mirek]

Aha, thanks, I didn't know about this car.

[peg306]

Story about it in a swedish motorsport magazine. Engine from Lancer Evo, i don't know the english word for it, but they reduced from 2.0 to 1.6 Sadev gearbox and Öhlins suspension. And as Sulland were saying, for now only national homologation but in the text it says only the drivers seat differs from FIA required homologation. Price will be 1.250.000 SEK (143.000 Euro)

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[Andre Oliveira]

One more Fiesta to Italy (A-Style).

[Andre Oliveira]

Debut at 57th Rally Coppa Valtellina driven by Mirko Puricelli

[TheFlyingTuga]

Story about it in a swedish motorsport magazine. Engine from Lancer Evo, i don't know the english word for it, but they reduced from 2.0 to 1.6 Sadev gearbox and Öhlins suspension. And as Sulland were saying, for now only national homologation but in the text it says only the drivers seat differs from FIA required homologation. Price will be 1.250.000 SEK (143.000 Euro)

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The attachement it's the R5 car? I can't see the picture :S

[RS]

One more Fiesta to Italy (A-Style).

Next year for Basso with a proper ERC programme please :)

[Andre Oliveira]

rally.it facebook

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9865_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q81/s720x720/1236617_10151385329012614_1565859865_n.jpg)

[RS]

Fabia 3 road car built from week 24 2014 (sometime in June I think) so we should see the real deal Fabia R5 not too long after that I guess :)

[liposh]

RS: Where are your informations from? Such exact term :)

[RS]

Czech forum at garaz.autorevue.cz

They are normally very accurate with such information :)

[Mirek]

In my opinion the date is too early.

[RS]

In my opinion the date is too early.

Could it be that the first versions will be built then but full production won't be under way until a bit later? Ie. the Rapid Spaceback started production at the end of August but it won't be on sale in CZ until October.

[Mirek]

I will sen you PM.

By the way there will be no stock Fabia RS in third generation.

[RS]

By the way there will be no stock Fabia RS in third generation.

Yes :(

IMO if they had offered Fabia 2 RS with petrol/diesel manual/DSG choice as they do with the Octavia, and it had looked nicer it would have sold better.

I hope for at least a 140bhp 1.4TSI in the "normal" range.

[dimviii]

In my opinion the date is too early.

??rek,before 4 years we ordered 3 evo 9 rs for some friends.Cars werent available at Greece,and we have to wait next import from Japan.At the day of order at Greece they knew the week exactly the cars will be build(not available also at Japan at this moment) some 5 months earlier.
Just for reference.

[Mirek]

I know but I meant the date when production is about to start ;)

[pantealex]

Kari Hämäläinen with Fiesta R5 in Tampere Rally (Finnish Championship)
Entry is in, that´s all I know.
Printsport is team behind his entry.

[cosmin_sb]

Tempestini’s Fiesta R5 which will compete this weekend.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9476_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1185885_635009203196367_1933539476_n.jpg)

[Adler]

Tempestini’s Fiesta R5 which will compete this weekend.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9476_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1185885_635009203196367_1933539476_n.jpg)

I´m a little confused, Gerwald Grössing anounced R5 premiere in Austria at this weekends Arbö rallye (7th ÖRM round) with Fiesta with same nr-plate? Anybody know which car this is?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151614099135079&set=a.345294270078.161411.288951885078&type=1&theater)

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl ... hp&act=url (http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gerwaldgroessing.at%2Fcontent%2 Fnews_arboe_rallye_2013_vorschau.php&act=url)

[Mirek]

It's car of Jan Sýkora. I'm surprised to see Varmuža/St.Johann stickers on the car as it is former sponsor of Valoušek...

[Adler]

It's car of Jan Sýkora. I'm surprised to see Varmuža/St.Johann stickers on the car as it is former sponsor of Valoušek...

thanks for info....don´t know about the sponsor either....btw: no more like button in the new forum design?

edit: seems on this car are still some stickers from Barum rallye (front bumper and mirrors).

[tolis]

This is Sykora's car that Valousek used in Barum. Grossing took some photos with it some days after Barum and then the car went to Romania. Next week, Grossing will drive it in ARBO Rallye. That's all! :)
http://ewrc-results.com/carinfo.php?cid=47&spz=1966

[Mirek]

I know that it was used by Valoušek, I was just surprised by the stickers. Now I see that they were only left there from Barum, thanks.

[RS]

Fabia 3 road car built from week 24 2014 (sometime in June I think) so we should see the real deal Fabia R5 not too long after that I guess :)

And on sale from week 35, allegedly.

[AndyRAC]

Regarding the Mk3 Fabia - there won't be a vRS model of it........ :mad:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/frank ... a-vrs-axed (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/skoda-fabia-vrs-axed)

[liposh]

AndyRAC: You remind me one czech movie character named "Plha" He was repeating everything already said once or twice by somebody else before. You wouldn´t probably get the joke, but anyway from now on we will call you Plha, it´s your new nickname. :D

[Mirek]

AndyRAC: You remind me one czech movie character named "Plha" He was repeating everything already said once or twice by somebody else before. You wouldn´t probably get the joke, but anyway from now on we will call you Plha, it´s your new nickname. :D

That was pretty stupid comment.

[liposh]

Relax, just having fun Your Honor (if you want to judge me) Don´t be such "Grumpy dwarf" (well...another movie-character reminder :D )it´s Friday night, weekend just begun. :D

[Mirek]

I do appreciate every joke which is funny however Yours are not the case, sorry.

[AndyRAC]

I won't bother in future - I didn't know it had been announced before.......

And sorry, I didn't get the joke, I'm not Czech, but I drive a Czech car, and very good it is!

[Andre Oliveira]

Lorenzo Bertelli

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUoaypqCUAA0fMs.jpg

[skarderud]

Several norwegian drivers is looking for an R5 next year, both for national and international driving! Atleast 5 cars in national championship, couple of drivers work with wrc2 apperances.

[tolis]

Several norwegian drivers is looking for an R5 next year, both for national and international driving! Atleast 5 cars in national championship, couple of drivers work with wrc2 apperances.
Names? :)

[makinen_fan]

Another Fiesta R5 appeared today at Rallyday, with plates PX13 ATN (at least is not listed here http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?ci ... -Fiesta-R5 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=47&title=Ford-Fiesta-R5))
I think it was driven by Tom Cave

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5484/9862009835_c1972bb9bb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yiannis_chris/9862009835/)
DSC_3837.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yiannis_chris/9862009835/) by Yiannis Christodoulou (http://www.flickr.com/people/yiannis_chris/), on Flickr

[Andre Oliveira]

We have it, but if not does a rally yet, not appear to public:)

[sceen]

This is our Fiesta. You're right though, Tom Cave was driving. The car is build No.20 from M-Sport a week ago. We also have another R5. Both to be run as hire cars :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Send me on private message the plate of the second one please, and chassis number:) Thanks

[tolis]

This is our Fiesta. You're right though, Tom Cave was driving. The car is build No.20 from M-Sport a week ago. We also have another R5. Both to be run as hire cars :)
Any driver confirmed?

[sceen]

None confirmed yet, still in discussions with some interesting drivers for 2014

[vino_93]

which champ ? ERC ?

[Andre Oliveira]

Cracco

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1239782_125162430987704_546508812_n.jpg

Source (https://www.facebook.com/TACrally)

[Sulland]

Any more progress on the 208?

Will they be homologated by 1/1-2014 - I guess a lot of drivers are waiting news on this one.
Otherwise they will have to go with Ford for 2014.

[skarderud]

Eivind brynhildsen is most certain waiting for the 208, he wan't use eighter Ford or autotec anymore, but dmack is onboard. Probably in team with another fast norwegian driver in similiar car. Lots of rumours in norway these days:)

[tolis]

Eivind brynhildsen is most certain waiting for the 208, he wan't use eighter Ford or autotec anymore, but dmack is onboard. Probably in team with another fast norwegian driver in similiar car. Lots of rumours in norway these days:)
Why did Autotek sells the Fiesta R5 that Brynildsen drove? Any more rumours? :D

[br21]

It's hard to judge speed of 208 R5, so many drivers will wait for it's first rallies to compare it with Fiesta.
Fiesta R5 on tarmac is also some kind of questionmark, we know that on gravel it's fast car, but not yet proven on tarmac.
So many teams/drivers are waiting with their decisions.

[Sulland]

And how long after the 208 is the DS3 planned for Homologation?
Was that fo summer 2014?

[stefanvv]

Fiesta R5 on tarmac is also some kind of questionmark, we know that on gravel it's fast car, but not yet proven on tarmac.
It is competitive, Neuville drove it in Ypres as zero car, this month Donchev won Rally Sliven in Bulgaria.

[liposh]

DS3 R5 homologation is planned either for 1st January or 1st March.


It is competitive, Neuville drove it in Ypres as zero car, this month Donchev won Rally Sliven in Bulgaria.
The speed is OK, but there is a lot of work to set the suspensions correctly. The S2000 suspensions has a little advance in this point.

[RS]

It's hard to judge speed of 208 R5, so many drivers will wait for it's first rallies to compare it with Fiesta.
Fiesta R5 on tarmac is also some kind of questionmark, we know that on gravel it's fast car, but not yet proven on tarmac.
So many teams/drivers are waiting with their decisions.

Plenty of people bought the Fiesta without knowing whether it was any good.

[Sulland]

DS3 R5 homologation is planned either for 1st January or 1st March

So both PSA cars at the same time?
I thought the Cit would come later than the Pug.

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta are fast with good drivers? YES. The car doesn't do miracles :angryfire

[stefanvv]

DS3 R5 homologation is planned either for 1st January or 1st March.


It is competitive, Neuville drove it in Ypres as zero car, this month Donchev won Rally Sliven in Bulgaria.
The speed is OK, but there is a lot of work to set the suspensions correctly. The S2000 suspensions has a little advance in this point.
It is fast enough on gravel with more complex suspension setup, but it is hard to make setup on asphalt?!? Sounds little boyscout to me.

EDIT: Besides I don't think suspension would be much different to S2000

[Mirek]

Have you ever seen a stage like Semetín, Troják or Pindula from Barum rally? That's what Liposh is talking about and what is more complex for suspension than any gravel rally because for example on Troják You have everything from flat wide roads through tens of types of asphalt with gravel and mud on it up to to extremely bumpy macadam. That's where Fiesta R5 lacks in the moment but it was same with Fiesta S2000 initially. It took really long to find setup for it useful on Czech stages. With R5 it's even more complex due to the simple fact that all four suspension corners must be same.

[stefanvv]

Have you ever seen a stage like Semetín, Troják or Pindula from Barum rally? That's what Liposh is talking about and what is more complex for suspension than any gravel rally because for example on Troják You have everything from flat wide roads through tens of types of asphalt with gravel and mud on it up to to extremely bumpy macadam. That's where Fiesta R5 lacks in the moment but it was same with Fiesta S2000 initially. It took really long to find setup for it useful on Czech stages. With R5 it's even more complex due to the simple fact that all four suspension corners must be same.
I have actually, we have one such stage here in Rally Tvarditsa - Devina, here is Surilov onboard from this year ediition - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmg_dnU_sCM. I know it is hard to find perfect compromise in the suspension setup on such stages, but I was speaking in general for nice asphalt stages. BTW in this stage, Donchev with his first appearance with R5 did similar time with Iliev with Fabia on the second pass (which is supposed to be the worse case with all the durt on the road).
I also didn't know about the geometry differences in suspension between S2000 & R5.

[AdvEvo]

What is going to happen to Group N cars. Will it completly dissapear?

Evo 10 is the last one. And we don t know if subaru comes with a new one?

I really find it a pity that there is no other option then R5 car if you don t wanna pay 200.000 plus euro s for a car. Group N is going die i think.

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

[Mirek]

What is going to happen to Group N cars. Will it completly dissapear?

Evo 10 is the last one. And we don t know if subaru comes with a new one?

I really find it a pity that there is no other option then R5 car if you don t wanna pay 200.000 plus euro s for a car. Group N is going die i think.

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

I heard about prices 150-160 Euro/km for Fiesta R5 from Czech teams. Anyway it's up to manufacturers if they are interested in 4WD production cars or not. Sadly they don't seem to be so.

[polo10]

What is going to happen to Group N cars. Will it completly dissapear?

Evo 10 is the last one. And we don t know if subaru comes with a new one?

I really find it a pity that there is no other option then R5 car if you don t wanna pay 200.000 plus euro s for a car. Group N is going die i think.

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

I heard about prices 150-160 Euro/km for Fiesta R5 from Czech teams. Anyway it's up to manufacturers if they are interested in 4WD production cars or not. Sadly they don't seem to be so.
That is true, with all included,only insurance not....much cheaper than s2000...

[Mirek]

We are on the start and there is very high demand now. I guess it will go down with time and more cars on the market. Top S2000 on their peak were much more expensive to rent.

[kober]

Top S2000 on their peak were much more expensive to rent.
How much more? Just being curious.

[Mirek]

I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...

[Jerra]

I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...

You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/km

[Sulland]

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

40 000 will buy you a decent Gr N4 car!
In many national championships N4 will still be the volume car, until the price for an S2000, RRC and R5 cars will drop!

[Mirek]

40 000 will buy you a decent Gr N4 car!
In many national championships N4 will still be the volume car, until the price for an S2000, RRC and R5 cars will drop!

I'm afraid that in a gr.N car for 40 thousand everything must be completely worn and ready for major revision/rebuild. I would say 60 thousand is more realistic for a really good gr.N car but don't forget we are not in 2010 anymore. You can buy a modern S2000 for 100000 thousand now. Gr.N cars will stay largely popular for several more years but it looks like they are going to disappear sooner or later. There is hardly any new car coming after Evo X and current Impreza STi. Homologation of Evo IX ends next year, of N12 in 2015. Both may be prolonged though.



You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/km

250 for Fabia? I think with BRR it could have been like that but with other teams like JM Racing etc. sure less. Now I guess it must be around 120-150 for S2000 but that's just my guessing. As far as I know the running costs for 207 and Fabia is cca same and that is 2-3x lower than for Mini or Fiesta RRC.

[Jerra]

250 for Fabia? I think with BRR it could have been like that but with other teams like JM Racing etc. sure less. Now I guess it must be around 120-150 for S2000 but that's just my guessing. As far as I know the running costs for 207 and Fabia is cca same and that is 2-3x lower than for Mini or Fiesta RRC.

Yes, it was few years back, not so many top Skoda's was available for rent, now its different, you can find 207 or Skoda with discount price, especially in Italy. Not to mention Fiat ...

[Ucci]

I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...

You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/km

Those prices were sick....S2000 needs a major rebuild after 1.000 competitive km, that means that one team earned after five rallys enough money to buy another new car....and don't tell me that a rebuild itself costs 250t€...but as mirek & Jerra told; if there was a demand and no cars available, few lucky owners put a price in the 'sky'' and even got money....

[makinen_fan]

Brynildsen's ex car is in Cyprus now, for Cyprus Rally taking place in 10 days.

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 0197_n.jpg (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1379770_615330258506120_1767200197_n.jpg)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 1808_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1381856_615330325172780_1018801808_n.jpg)

Just in passing I am mentioning it here since there is no live MERC thread or sub-forum (i think it used to be one) that the stages for Cyprus Rally will be revised with such a short notice since organisers did not have permission to use some of the roads in the route.

[br21]

it's hard to compare S2000 renting prices. those depend on many factors - car (brand, evolution, level of preparation), team (it's name/history, spare parts, engineer, etc), plus tires incl. or not, insurance, deposit or not, one event or few, tests or no, etc, etc.
but some time ago it was surely more expensive than it is now.
and surely S2000 cars need rebuilds more often than 1000kms, OK, engines and transmissions are often above 1k kms (but there was some evolution of 207 engine with only 600kms limit). But even if you do less than limit you often need to look inside the box to check after some "issues" during the rally, to change ratios for next event, etc, etc. Dampers usually needs rebuilds more often than 1k kms, brakes changing/rebuilding also more often. Plus rebuilds of crossmembers, arms, uprights, shafts and many, many other parts. Plus some body parts like bumpers, sills, etc are often damaged after very few kms.
So it's not that easy to earn money on renting S2000 cars, of course it is possible, but not that almost all the money which customer paid are left for you to put into your pocket.

[vino_93]

Brynildsen's ex car is in Cyprus now, for Cyprus Rally taking place in 10 days.

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 0197_n.jpg (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1379770_615330258506120_1767200197_n.jpg)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 1808_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1381856_615330325172780_1018801808_n.jpg)

Just in passing I am mentioning it here since there is no live MERC thread or sub-forum (i think it used to be one) that the stages for Cyprus Rally will be revised with such a short notice since organisers did not have permission to use some of the roads in the route.
viewtopic.php?f=112&t=156456 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=156456) :)

[Tom206wrc]

Jan Cerny and Peugeot CZ aim 208 T16 for 2014 ???? :confused:
http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15724

[Sulland]

This weeks MN reports that Honda will step up to R5 for 2015 together with JAS. They are not specifying model, but Jazz makes sense in their curremt pallette!

[br21]

Peugeot and Citroen R5 cars homologation postponed till beginning of March 2014?

[Mirek]

Jan Cerny and Peugeot CZ aim 208 T16 for 2014 ???? :confused:
http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15724

Nothing like that is stated in the article. It only mentions presence of 208 R5 (showcar) in Peugeot CZ/?erný service area. Anyway the target for ?erný sure is to drive 208 R5 in 2014 but I don't think it's confirmed in the moment.

[RS]

What championship for Cerny?

[Mirek]

I'm sure he would like to do ERC but realistically it's much easier to find funds for domestic one.

[WUff1]

Peugeot and Citroen R5 cars homologation postponed till beginning of March 2014?

According to German rallye-Magazin.de yes. bad news for the first half or at least the first few rallies of ERC 2014.

[PLuto]

Peugeot and Citroen R5 cars homologation postponed till beginning of March 2014?

According to German rallye-Magazin.de yes. bad news for the first half or at least the first few rallies of ERC 2014.

It is not sure yet. There is lot of politics in it. I am sure that we will have one PSA R5 car on 1st January...

[Sulland]

PSA will loose a large amount of contracts to Ford on their first of the R5 'twins', if it is not homologated by 1 jan 14.

For those nations that does not start their season before 1 mar or apr it might be ok, but not sure how many countries start that late.
For WRC 2 it is for sure too late, and I think PSA very much would like to compete in that championship!

[WUff1]

PSA will loose a large amount of contracts to Ford on their first of the R5 'twins', if it is not homologated by 1 jan 14.

For those nations that does not start their season before 1 mar or apr it might be ok, but not sure how many countries start that late.
For WRC 2 it is for sure too late, and I think PSA very much would like to compete in that championship!

As for WRC 2 that´s a big argument

[Mirek]

I can't imagine they would sacrifice Monte Carlo...

[skarderud]

Its ok to start with an rrc, and then change to R5 when its ready?
But its (to?) expensive for privateers, i asume?

[liposh]

I am really curious about the performance of PSA R5 cars. It has to be really balls-smashing thing, because PSA cars need so long time. Really curious.

[RS]

I don't think the PSA development time is that unusual, Skoda will be at least the same.

It just seems that way because Ford rushed their's.

[liposh]

Yes, I expect it too...but it means Fiesta R5 would be quite crap compared to future R5 cars...and it means future R5 cars would be one (or more) level above RRC cars...which is great...and that´s what I am curious about. :) And I am looking forward to see that.

[RS]

Yes, I expect it too...but it means Fiesta R5 would be quite crap compared to future R5 cars...and it means future R5 cars would be one (or more) level above RRC cars...which is great...and that´s what I am curious about. :) And I am looking forward to see that.

Indeed, I expect a well developed car with a decent driver could be quite capable of mixing it in the top 10 of WRC events.

[kober]

Indeed, I expect a well developed car with a decent driver could be quite capable of mixing it in the top 10 of WRC events.
Ogier did it with ease in a S2000, Kubica's doing it consistently in an RRC, and if R5 will be even quicker, then top five is within reach, granted the quality of the WRC field won't improve dramatically.

[Mirek]

Ogier actually managed even the top 5 WRC finish in S2000 (+4,5 min to the WRC winner) but that's of course only one case :)

[Sulland]

What are the normal service intervals for main parts for the different classes:
WRC
R5
S2000
N4
R3

[br21]

It depends a lot on the car and it's evolution.
In case of S2000 each car had different limits for the engines, etc. Even same cars had different limits depending on engine evolution (Peugeot had once only 600kms on engine). In case of Fiesta S2000 engine has 1500kms, gearbox they say 2000kms, but anyway you need to open it more frequent to change ratios for upcoming event, so you do inspections more frequent. Damper rebuild 800kms, with inspection every 400kms. Many other parts you rebuild depending on their current condition, if you do a lot of testing then some parts which are above their limit you could use on tests, etc. Parts wear also heavily depends on conditions during the rally or tests, ie. if there is mud, rain, etc then all the bearings in uprights, arms, etc are heavily worn.

[Gordini]

Is homologation on 208 T16 postponed officielle, from jan 1 to mar 1?

[Mirek]

This years Barum Colin McRae Flat Out Trophy owner Miroslav Jakeš will drive Citroën DS3 R5 in Czech international championship and three selected Austrian events (however not Jänner as the team doesn't want to invest in gravel suspension for just one event).

[skarderud]

Anyone that knows who's really working on R5's?
Skoda, Peugeot and Citroën is for shure, but any news on Opel, Toyota, Renault, Fiat or any other it has been some rumours around?

[Mirek]

Opel admitted they work on R5 in an interview with their team boss some time a go. For Renault I think that R5 will come after R3T is finished. There were unofficial information about Honda/JAS working on R5 as well.

[skarderud]

Thanks!

Is it any scedule or info on the Opel R5 (Adam or astra?)? They has already build an R1 (cup), is the R2 ready also?

The Honda/jas project is in italy isn't it? Same team as the wtcc Honda?

R3t engine is the same as R5?

[Mirek]

About Opel I guess it's going to be Corsa, Adam is too small in my opinion. However it's just my guessing.

JAS is in Italy, right. They also developed Civic R3.

I don't know exact differences between R3T and R5 engine but it shall be similar. The main difference is sure 2 mm bigger restrictor for R5.

[skarderud]

Hopefully both Opel and Honda shows something up not too long into 2014.

The civic R3 is quite good in R3, isn't it?

[Mirek]

Hopefully both Opel and Honda shows something up not too long into 2014.

The civic R3 is quite good in R3, isn't it?

I guess these two will come only in 2015.

About Civic - I think that the car has great engine but it's reasonably heavier than R3C limit and also the rear axle is't the best for asphalt. I can't speak about gravel. We have a lot of guys from Estonia here and they have Civics there.

[RICARDO75]

The new Corsa for 2014 will have a R3T version and R5 in 2015
http://i71.servimg.com/u/f71/17/84/30/43/corsa10.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Peugeot not sure if they will homologate by January or March yet
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/19 ... -ERC-debut (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1959/t/Peugeot-208-T16-on-course-for-2014-ERC-debut)

[Andre Oliveira]

João Barros possibily will debut R5 on Rali Viana do Castelo next day 25.

[skarderud]

a quite long time ago i read somewhere that subaru was thinking of building an R5, maybe it was just a dream?
anyone knows about that?

[liposh]

Yes, that´s true. There were some rumours about Subaru BRZ. Also somebody from Eurosport said that as a fact in some kind of interview last year. Anyway Toyota is buildind rear-wheel drive T86 R3T. Either it is first step of development the R5 (and there are a lot of possibilities, because Sub. BRZ and T86 are identical cars) or that´s all we can expect from that project. Anyway I am looking forward to see RWD Toyota 86 R3T.

[Mirek]

Where did You read that GT-86 would be R3T? It doesn't make much sense. In my opinion it will be R3C.

[liposh]

Sorry, my mistake, Mirek is right, R3C. Anyway something really good.

[skarderud]

will it possibly be able to get the speed of r3t? better on tarmac, or good on loose surface too?
cool car, exiting too see it raceing!

[Jack4688`]

Subaru BRZ/Toyota GT 86 Can't be made into an R5. The engine is mounted so far back and low down that 4WD is impossible. Only way would be a PTO or maybe a hybrid type 4WD system.

Although not all Group A cars were 4WD (BMW M3, Sierra Cosworth 3dr), it would be mad to make a rally car with two-wheel-drive in this day and age competing against 4WDs.

[Mirek]

You are right however the talk about R5 was connected with new STI model (first time different car than Impreza).

[Jack4688`]

I hope they do, but I fear the new WRX will be too big a car for rallying

[pantealex]

so far M-Sport has sold 46 Fiesta R5

[skarderud]

I hope they do, but I fear the new WRX will be too big a car for rallying

This one?: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/20 ... uture-cars (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2014-subaru-wrx-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-20142017-future-cars)

2 ltr, 275hp.

How big is it? Like golf?

[Andre Oliveira]

João Barros (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=23690&t=João-Barros) have chassis number 25.

[Andre Oliveira]

Peugeot 208 R5 - Kris Meeke (http://youtu.be/7g5T4DRNOKo)

[liposh]

I have got better mood everytime I see this car smiling at me :D

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... C5FP8J-AFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sC5FP8J-AFM)

[dimviii]

Meeke 208 test photos
http://www.rallye-addict.com/photos-ess ... obre-2013/ (http://www.rallye-addict.com/photos-essais-peugeot-208-r5-t16-octobre-2013/)

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 19 to Miki Zaldivar: PX13 ASZ

[Sulland]

I am a bit sorry to hear that the PSA rally division is being less prioritized that Touring car. You should think that there are separate teams, and that PSA has resources to do that!?

[miniwintz]

I have got better mood everytime I see this car smiling at me :D
it really is a nice looking car. Reminds me a lot of the 206.

[Jarek Z]

Peugeot 208 R5 - Kris Meeke (http://youtu.be/7g5T4DRNOKo)

Some people complained that Ford Fiesta R5 is too quiet. But Peugeot 208 R5 seems quite noisy on this video. Is the difference in sound so big between Fiesta and 208 or is it my impression only?

[Andre Oliveira]

João Barros: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=68 ... =2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=683131675031974&set=vb.100000054421054&type=2&theater)

[Mirek]

Some people complained that Ford Fiesta R5 is too quiet. But Peugeot 208 R5 seems quite noisy on this video. Is the difference in sound so big between Fiesta and 208 or is it my impression only?

The real impression was even more clear for me. When I was in Ypres Fiesta was almost impossible to hear before You see it while the 208 You could hear from a big distance on same places.

[Jack4688`]

I hope they do, but I fear the new WRX will be too big a car for rallying

This one?: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/20 ... uture-cars (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2014-subaru-wrx-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-20142017-future-cars)

2 ltr, 275hp.

How big is it? Like golf?

I wish it was that, it looks good. Looks like the WRX will become a big saloon: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=2014+subaru+wrx&safe=off&rlz=1C1GGGE_enGB377GB377&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1EBkUr-wFNTL0AWB-YCQAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ

That model might be more suitable for touring car racing but it's nowhere near the size of the Fiesta etc. I hope Subaru does make an R5 rally car though, preferably a shortened Impreza (separate model from the WRX)

[Abarth]

Why not use the BRZ? It has looks as a winner!

[Mirek]

Why not use the BRZ? It has looks as a winner!

As it was already pointed out few posts back the BRZ has so placed engine that it's impossible to drive front wheels.

[Co-driven]

Chassis 19 to Miki Zaldivar: PX13 ASZ

Rumours say that there will be at least another Fiesta R5 in Paraguay.
Besides that, there's a driver in Brazil that will probably buy a R5 soon. Last rumours says that there will be 2 R5 in Brazil in 2014.

[RS]

The Peugeot sounds a lot better than the Ford but it is still lacking some low down aggression in sound and performance. Still no anti-lag?

[Mirek]

The Peugeot sounds a lot better than the Ford but it is still lacking some low down aggression in sound and performance. Still no anti-lag?

The rules for R5 don't allow direct by-pass of air to the exhaust. That limits the anti-lag function because all air must go through engine throttle valve.

[RS]

The Peugeot sounds a lot better than the Ford but it is still lacking some low down aggression in sound and performance. Still no anti-lag?

The rules for R5 don't allow direct by-pass of air to the exhaust. That limits the anti-lag function because all air must go through engine throttle valve.

How come the test Fabia seems to have it then?

[Mirek]

That can be answered only by somebody who knows what was exactly in the car on the video...

[RS]

That can be answered only by somebody who knows what was exactly in the car on the video...

Hmmm, I suppose you are suggesting it was an engine from the RRC/WRC development car tuned to replicate the power of an R5 engine?

Would be a shame if it doesn't have these sounds. Both the 208 and Fiesta are a little too "soft" for my liking.

[liposh]

Some people say there has been (at least) one prototype of Fabia II WRC/RRC developed in 2011.And as RS said, it could be that "old" prototype.

[Mirek]

Some people say there has been (at least) one prototype of Fabia II WRC/RRC developed in 2011.

The car did exist for sure.


And as RS said, it could be that "old" prototype.

Hard to say but I don't think so.

[vino_93]

[quote="Andre Oliveira":7wdusn65]Chassis 19 to Miki Zaldivar: PX13 ASZ

Rumours say that there will be at least another Fiesta R5 in Paraguay.
Besides that, there's a driver in Brazil that will probably buy a R5 soon. Last rumours says that there will be 2 R5 in Brazil in 2014.[/quote:7wdusn65]
do you know who ?

[RS]

Maybe VW leant Skoda a Polo WRC engine in exchange for Skoda lending them two Fabia S2000 last year :)

[Co-driven]

[quote="Co-driven":22n7mj21][quote="Andre Oliveira":22n7mj21]Chassis 19 to Miki Zaldivar: PX13 ASZ

Rumours say that there will be at least another Fiesta R5 in Paraguay.
Besides that, there's a driver in Brazil that will probably buy a R5 soon. Last rumours says that there will be 2 R5 in Brazil in 2014.[/quote:22n7mj21]
do you know who ?[/quote:22n7mj21]

I think it is for Itor Galeano, in Paraguay.

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=213201972193919

[Mirek]

What is that for us without access to facebook?