Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[dimviii]

Do You think so? In my opinion it is real speed.

i dont want to say that r5 skoda is slow,but thats not real speed imho.Look the antilag flames how quickly moving,bit unreal,in another part at start if remember correct people movements are weird fast,and when car runs through waters watch how the steam from waters moves.Also watch how fast each gear goes to red zone,nowhere near like previous videos.

[Vladik]

#18 to Pascal Perroud (CH)
#3 to who?

MM-Motorsport's Fiesta R5 chassis #3 (SP 0302) haven't been sold and stays in team. With this car Radik Shaymiev will drive in Mexico

[WUff1]

News about Skoda - Lappi in WRC2 beginning with Rally Portugal

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2015/02/16/lappi-bereitet-sich-fuer-wrc-aufstieg-vor/index.html

[nafpaktos]

from Lappi's fb page

“We tested the new Fabia R 5 on asphalt and recently on gravel. The new car feels very good on all the surfaces. We are definitely on the right track,” said a happy Kopecký. The experienced 33-year-old took turns with Esapekka Lappi in Italy at the end of January. Finland’s European champion was also impressed with his outings in ŠKODA’s new rally car, which was still sporting its camouflaged ‘zebra’ look: “I think the Fabia R 5 will continue the success story of ŠKODA in motorsport.”
The tests with the Fabia R 5 will continue throughout Europe in the next weeks. Veteran rally driver Freddy Loix (B) and Austria’s multiple champion Raimund Baumschlager are also among the team of drivers giving important input throughout the development of the new car. Customer rally teams are not the only ones showing huge interest in the Fabia R 5, which is being developed based on the new production model of the Fabia. The world premiere of the concept car also caused quite a stir among the public at the Essen Motor Show at the end of November.
The Fabia R 5 features the very latest technology. The new racing car will be equipped with a 1.6-litre turbo engine, in accordance with FIA regulations. This is a big change compared to the two-litre, petrol induction engine in the Fabia Super 2000. The new car is also fitted with a five-speed sequential gearbox and McPherson struts. The weight will be at least 1,230 kilograms, as stipulated in the regulations. The new ŠKODA Fabia R 5 will make its race debut once it has successfully been homologated by the International Automobile Federation FIA. ŠKODA Motorsport Director Michal Hrabánek: “We want to have the new Fabia R 5 approved by mid-2015 and are right on schedule to achieve this.”

[mousti]

1 april homologation then or is 1 may possible too?

[PLuto]

1st April, first start will be before May.

[Nelly]

No Circuit of Ireland so? Damn

[PLuto]

Circuit of Ireland is in April, so there should be possibility to start for Fabia R5. But there are no plans about it...

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 101 to João Barros :)

https://scontent-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10982309_1072642882765138_5484177706008984532_n.jp g?oh=520f1a7487b0d13f493582be69a9ba7a&oe=554CFB6E

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 100 was to João Barros but M-Sport wanted put it at Museaum

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7M7M6CYecY ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Membrado livery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-KLSgjIQAA6R2P.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-KLSRQIMAA0GUs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-KLSCrIMAAs1ns.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Tests in France with Pierre Ragues and Stéphane Pustelnik ;)
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-essais-raguespustelnik-cote-fleurie/

I like the DS3 livery :)

[Rallyper]

New Opel Corsa R5!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-O3DOdIAAIY0O4.jpg:large

[the sniper]

New Opel Corsa R5!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-O3DOdIAAIY0O4.jpg:large

Isn't that just the old S2000 car based on the now old shape Corsa...?

[liposh]

It seems to me like S2000, I don´t see any difference. ...but it could be just very first test car for some chassis parts. (bacause new engine needs new cooler and bigger hole.)

[Rallyper]

Isn't that just the old S2000 car based on the now old shape Corsa...?

Dont know, just saw it on twitter...

Edit: The pic is from old S2000. Don´t believe in everything you see on internet.

[PLuto]

It is picture of old S2000 car, made in 2008.

http://www.ocio.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/opel_corsa_s2000_2009_2.jpg

[RS]

http://youtu.be/Vu4mTq7lwe8

[Sulland]

The Skoda Motorsport team chose another path to develop their new car. A lot of developments and testing compared to MSport and PSA before launch.
Do you expect the Fabia R5 to pass the other R5s, and close the gap to the WRCars?

[tommeke_B]

The Skoda Motorsport team chose another path to develop their new car. A lot of developments and testing compared to MSport and PSA before launch.
Do you expect the Fabia R5 to pass the other R5s, and close the gap to the WRCars?

Quicker than other R5 cars, very likely. Close to WRC cars? No way... Maybe some old private Mini WRC from 2011. :) If it's close or beating WRC it should be because of the difference in level between drivers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ŠKODA’s FIA European Rally Championship-bound Fabia R5 remains on schedule for its competition debut this season with ERC champions past and present taking the wheel of the new-generation machine during recent testing.

http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/7085/t/%C5%A0koda-Fabia-R5-alive-as-Erc-champions-continue-testing

[RICARDO75]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xqm0R-1nk

Live from Sander Pärn car

[vino_93]

This week end there's for the first time in Africa R5 (2 Fiesta, in KCB Kisumu Rally, Kenya).
difficult start for both of them ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-WtbDfIAAAy6Jn.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-WXbUvIYAAtOHR.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

José Pedro Fontes DS unit starting be ready

https://scontent-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/19284_792282174201144_6226135579545646501_n.jpg?oh =ed6f595b9fa9643b3c18a8528f4cb418&oe=55868774

[Jarek Z]

Finnish star Juha Salo wins VAAKUNA RALLI, second round of Finnish championship. It was the first rally at the wheel of Peugeot 208 T16 for him. Congratulations!

VAAKUNA RALLI results:
1. Juha Salo/Marko Salminen (FIN) Peugeot 208 T16 49.47,6
2. Ari Vihavainen/Jani Vainikka (FIN) Mitsubishi Lancer WRC +20,7
3. Teemu Suninen/Mikko Markkula (FIN) Skoda Fabia S2000 +26,3

Doesn't the classic Gulf livery look great? :)

Porsche 917K:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2igmgfcqel0/TcOYnjhmUEI/AAAAAAAACeA/VfKgllHoqA0/s400/917.jpg

Peugeot 208 T16:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-MsT5VCYAAugjz.jpg:medium

[RICARDO75]

Citroën DS3 R5 for Ib Kragh
http://www.rallydm.dk/nyhed.aspx?ID=2309

[stefanvv]

Doesn't the classic Gulf livery look great? :)

Porsche 917K:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2igmgfcqel0/TcOYnjhmUEI/AAAAAAAACeA/VfKgllHoqA0/s400/917.jpg



It is great. And probably Steve McQueen has a major part of it's immortality.

[vino_93]

Does anyone know why DS isn't a brand for FIA rallies right now, whereas PSA planned to do it ? Because Citroën homologated the car under its banner ?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10967796_1069328786429881_771889610_n.jpg?oh=9cb8e 12b1e2887af82e3f731d5b6cda2&oe=54ECC2B7&__gda__=1424743447_c991de9a587a2d6b14324a07bec3fb5 2

[vino_93]

That's what the promoter shows, not FIA's choice. Look at entry list or final classification. DS doesn't exist for FIA (and even for a lot of countries). Even the team entry in WRC isn't DS, but Citroën.

[Andre Oliveira]

I think that are not homologated DS, so maybe next car will be homologated on DS brand.

[liposh]

Rumours say first 15 bodyworks for Fabia R5 are in production line at supplier´s factory ;-)

[HaCo]

Rumours say first 15 bodyworks for Fabia R5 are in production line at supplier´s factory ;-)

Like! :D

[PLuto]

Does anyone know why DS isn't a brand for FIA rallies right now, whereas PSA planned to do it ? Because Citroën homologated the car under its banner ?

DS brand is only in their PR releases. All homologations are under name Citroen, there is no official manufacturer called DS. So there is no reason to make any changes in the start lists and results.

It is same like M-Sport should call their car M-Sport Fiesta RS WRC...

[Tom206wrc]

News from Denmark: IB Kragh will drive a DS3 R5 on the DRC this season ;)

No news about Peugeot Denmark for this season yet though :confused:

[vino_93]

DS brand is only in their PR releases. All homologations are under name Citroen, there is no official manufacturer called DS. So there is no reason to make any changes in the start lists and results.

It is same like M-Sport should call their car M-Sport Fiesta RS WRC...

DS is now officially a brand, that's why I asked the question ;) (exactly since the 01/06/2014)
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/en/automotive-brands/ds/innovative-luxury-paris

But I suppose it's not possible to change the homologation name for a car already homologated.

[Rallyper]

Any news about Opel Corsa R5?

[RICARDO75]

Citroën DS3 R5 test with José Pedro Fontes

[RICARDO75]

Chassis #100 to Nicolas Fuchs

[mousti]

DS3 R5 livery's for Tsjoen and Cherain both with support from Citroën Belux.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11021176_778152738930536_3277717161799393981_n.jpg ?oh=3babe33363fe0ebbde3493d801df0ff9&oe=55970B39&__gda__=1431284307_6b7c1dd88c89a6927f50f50fcf7737f f

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/11018847_777549195657557_6055915531217556795_n.jpg ?oh=e3c55da3ec325d114ad0f98ee08abb27&oe=557EE364

[vino_93]

That's quite surprising to see a dealer supported two different teams. Has this already happen in any country ?

[Andre Oliveira]

DS first km to José Pedro Fontes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0kzb2rOu3A&list=PL8F846D8397037873

http://youtu.be/bXEt5GhhK54

[Mirek]

That's quite surprising to see a dealer supported two different teams. Has this already happen in any country ?

It might be that Citroën had some kind of contract both with Cherain and J-Motorsport and when the two split...

[tommeke_B]

Something strange indeed. Cherain and J-Motorsport stopped working together due to some financial disagreement (don't know more about it). It's likely that Citroën Belux and Citroën Racing had agreements with both Cherain and J-Motorsport. If both seperate programs can last all season, it's a very good thing for our championship. Also for Ypres it will be interesting. Tsjoen was always good in Ypres last couple of years. But every time, he was driving a car that he wasn't used to. This year it will be the first time in 12 years that he's driving Ypres with a car he already knows really well. :) Same for Princen, who has won Ypres in the past with S1600 but didn't get the chance to compete in Ypres with a "top car" for many years.

[Leon]

Something strange indeed. Cherain and J-Motorsport stopped working together due to some financial disagreement (don't know more about it). It's likely that Citroën Belux and Citroën Racing had agreements with both Cherain and J-Motorsport. If both seperate programs can last all season, it's a very good thing for our championship. Also for Ypres it will be interesting. Tsjoen was always good in Ypres last couple of years. But every time, he was driving a car that he wasn't used to. This year it will be the first time in 12 years that he's driving Ypres with a car he already knows really well. :) Same for Princen, who has won Ypres in the past with S1600 but didn't get the chance to compete in Ypres with a "top car" for many years.

I wonder how many cars Citroën Belux is selling to be able to do this program

[Tom206wrc]

Good question: I don't know how many DS3 and 208 have been built up to date :confused:

[RICARDO75]

Another new Ford Fiesta R5 to Portugal in a few days :)

[polo10]

Another new Ford Fiesta R5 to Portugal in a few days :)

For your island? Or the second New one for Barros oncle?

[RICARDO75]

For your island? Or the second New one for Barros oncle?

Elias Barros

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis number? Btw, chassis number of José Pedro Fontes' DS?

[RICARDO75]

Chassis number? Btw, chassis number of José Pedro Fontes' DS?

Fiesta #104

[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks :) They will sell the other? I heard that can arrive another Fiesta to one driver that used 2wd car last year.

[Co-driven]

The Peugeot 208 R5 of Brazilian driver Ilo dos Santos already arrived. The car is located in Paraguay, and he will contest the Paraguayan Championship and, maybe, the FIA Codasur Championship. Gustavo Saba's team will run his car.

This weekend they tested the car (both the Peugeot and the Skoda S2000 of Saba). Apparently Kopecky came to Paraguay to help them with testing.

The first event of the Championship is in the next weekend.

[RS]

Apparently Kopecky came to Paraguay to help them with testing.

I wonder whether he had a go in the Peugeot too.

[dimviii]

i am almost sure.

[N.O.T]

I wonder whether he had a go in the Peugeot too.

I do not think that if they were official Peugeot mechanics there would let Kopecky test the Peugeot.

[tommeke_B]

I do not think that if they were official Peugeot mechanics there would let Kopecky test the Peugeot.
Lol, you have no idea N.O.T... Official Peugeot mechanics for some national event in Paraguay.. Maybe one engineer if they are very lucky. Last year Citroën let Freddy Loix drive the DS3 R5 BEFORE homologation during Michelin tests (Loix is doing many development tests for Michelin), even while they were aware he's involved in the development of the Fabia R5.

[Mirek]

You can add that during the development of Fabia S2000 Kopecký had his own 207 S2000 at home and also sometimes drove Punto S2000 from JM Racing. This time the Škoda man who knows the competitors is Loix. He has experience with DS3 R5 and Fiesta R5 at least.

The best of such cases for me is Yves Matton running Fiesta RRC in WRC2 :)

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

The best of such cases for me is Yves Matton running Fiesta RRC in WRC2 :)

When..?

[MartijnS]

What R5 is this?

https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10421297_952922291386088_2669290942842622177_n.jpg ?oh=790f835344854e45955751f38b918ab9&oe=5594293E

Bob de Jong his new car.

[makinen_fan]

When..?

Yazeed Al Radji is run by Matton's team

[Andre Oliveira]

If yes, a PSA one. Fiesta no.

[RICARDO75]

What R5 is this?

https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10421297_952922291386088_2669290942842622177_n.jpg ?oh=790f835344854e45955751f38b918ab9&oe=5594293E

Bob de Jong his new car.


I think it's Peugeot

[pucky54]

When..?

Since years! ;)

[EightGear]

Organisers of the Dutch Tank S Rally are teasing about the entry of a car not yet seen on Dutch roads. The put this picture with it, of the Mitubishi R5.

Could this be possible? I doubt it, since there's no homologation yet. However, Jasper van den Heuvel is entered with an unspecified car and he's got a pretty long lasting relationship with Mitsubishi.

[mousti]

Zero car maybe?

[RICARDO75]

Craig Breen was testing Citroën DS3 R5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPKWZHU7xI&feature=em-uploademail

edit: deleted video :(

[RICARDO75]

Craig Breen was testing Citroën DS3 R5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPKWZHU7xI&feature=em-uploademail

edit: deleted video :(

online again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGBx8I8EEc&feature=em-uploademail

[Tom206wrc]

The Peugeot 208 R5 of Brazilian driver Ilo dos Santos already arrived. The car is located in Paraguay, and he will contest the Paraguayan Championship and, maybe, the FIA Codasur Championship. Gustavo Saba's team will run his car.

This weekend they tested the car (both the Peugeot and the Skoda S2000 of Saba). Apparently Kopecky came to Paraguay to help them with testing.

The first event of the Championship is in the next weekend.


Very interesting news, thank you :)

[EightGear]

Organisers of the Dutch Tank S Rally are teasing about the entry of a car not yet seen on Dutch roads. The put this picture with it, of the Mitubishi R5.

Could this be possible? I doubt it, since there's no homologation yet. However, Jasper van den Heuvel is entered with an unspecified car and he's got a pretty long lasting relationship with Mitsubishi.
It has just been confirmed the Mitsubishi R5 will start as an X car on the Tank S rally. They will use it as a tarmac test. Quite exciting, I hope to be there.

[Sulland]

Any comments from Breen on how he felt the Ds3 compared to the 208?

[HaCo]

That might be the perfect drive for Jasper VdH or why not Bijvelds? :-D

[tommeke_B]

why not Bijvelds? :-D

So the car can make it's debut with a bigger restrictor than allowed? :D

[EightGear]

It won't be Van den Heuvel driving, but Swede Hans-Erik Weng. He has done the rally 3 times before.

Personally I'm quite surprised it will make it's 'debut' in the Netherlands.

[PLuto]

It won't be Van den Heuvel driving, but Swede Hans-Erik Weng. He has done the rally 3 times before.

Personally I'm quite surprised it will make it's 'debut' in the Netherlands.

Because they didnt wanted to let the car to rally in Sweden due to safety reasons :)

[EightGear]

I know, but still, there are other countries. I don't mind at all though. :)

[Sulland]

New DS3 for Armt G Olsen from Mandal. He got the car later than planned and will do a rally in Sweden to get to know it a bit before Rally Sørland in late April.
http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10-uncategorised/9834-arnt-gustav-olsen-i-citroen-ds3-r5

[Andre Oliveira]

A used car from PH Sport?

[Sulland]

Not sure, probably some other norwegian in here that knows more, but I see it says PHSport on it.

The storey says he has been waiting for the car for some time, amd that he hoped to get it soon enough for one ot two winter rallies, but the car was not ready until now.
Rally Sørland is the first gravel rally of the norwegian championship.

[Andre Oliveira]

Czech friends, Roman Odložilík car 01R 0304 is a new car? or re-registered the other one? If new car, bought from which team?

Btw, Martin Holmes said on rally magazine that Martin Koci used chassis 43 instead 15 like Roman Odložilík usually used.

[Tom206wrc]

Eric Mauffrey tested his 208 T16 last week to prepare this coming week-end's Rallye du Touquet, and seeing the images of YouTube he looks already comfortable and fast :cool:

[RICARDO75]

José Pedro Fontes test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkJo2kWchfM

[Co-driven]

Just to keep the info from South America updated: Miki Zaldivar bought a new Fiesta R5, he debuted it last weekend on the first round of the Paraguay National Championship.

He had two other Fiestas. One was used by Augus Bestard and the other by Alberto Antebi. Don't know if they bought them or just rented.

[RICARDO75]

Another video from Fontes test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBKA0uBa1Sg&feature=em-uploademail

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Don’t miss this! Awesome video of Andreucci Paolo climbing Sicily’s Mount Etna in a 208 T16...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rLeMB58w6k&feature=youtu.be

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ŠKODA FABIA R5: @rallyemag reporting Fabia R5 will début on Rally Šumava Klatovy (24-25 April) ...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fabia R5 story...

English translation: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&nv=1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2015/03/11/fabia-r5-premiere-rueckt-naeher/index.html&usg=ALkJrhje-raXmyNH_T-fcrx-Mc4a39dhFA

[PLuto]

ŠKODA FABIA R5: @rallyemag reporting Fabia R5 will début on Rally Šumava Klatovy (24-25 April) ...

Original source of this information is Martin Holmes.

[Jarek Z]

Ford Fiesta R5 for Giandomenico Basso in the Italian Championship. I like it baby! ;)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1901742_10152879508023952_1146879899792358271_n.jp g?oh=57e83cb41c53fd3ce7ddcb3d3c776a7d&oe=5572E732&__gda__=1433934946_aa73ce966f3c3c2bf3869e1edbf7e88 1

[cardy]

a new one on its way to Hungary from msport

[Fast Eddie WRC]

S.Wright and J.Greer flying the flag for the R5's at the West Cork Rally today...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CADIKZ5XIAAPdkx.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

How to see chassis of DS 3 R5

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/1616560_1089760827720010_166726220_n.jpg?oh=1739b7 ff4abe97ce42c56c2ff24eecec&oe=550796D9&__gda__=1426570118_4f91624f9578da7dcf53aeec75d3800 f

[kiil]

Ib Kraghs DS3 R5 has chassis number 27.

[Andre Oliveira]

a new one on its way to Hungary from msport

The owner: http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=4698&t=Andras-Hadik

[katxal]

How to see chassis of DS 3 R5

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/1616560_1089760827720010_166726220_n.jpg?oh=1739b7 ff4abe97ce42c56c2ff24eecec&oe=550796D9&__gda__=1426570118_4f91624f9578da7dcf53aeec75d3800 f

Thats me reflected on the Ds3 window taking the pic haha :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, your photo :) my fault didn't put the credit :)

Hadik's Fiesta is chassis 105

[katxal]

Yes, your photo :) my fault didn't put the credit :)

Hadik's Fiesta is chassis 105

no fault at all...thats not a work pic hahahahaha!

[Tom206wrc]

Yoann Bonato in a 208 T16 on a few events of the french tarmac championship(Lyon-Charbonnières, Rouergue, Mont-Blanc and Var) :D
Pirelli will be his official tyres supplier(sponsor) ;)

Looks like return of "Janika"(Janos Toth)in hungarian championship in Peugeot Hungary 208 T16 :confused:
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2015/03/03-16_orb_eger_rally_elonevezes.html

[Mirek]

Yes, Tom. Tóth will drive 208 T16.

[mousti]

According to rumours it could be that Tidemand is trying to get a seat at Skoda Motorsport now that Abbring has chosen to drive for Hyundai a time ago.

[RS]

Is Tidemand managed by EvenRally?

[EightGear]

Yes.

[RS]

As Mikkelsen and Lappi...

[Sulland]

At last in anger:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.emotorsport.se%2Fnyheter.php%3F in%3D2%26nyhets_id%3D10386&edit-text=&act=url

[Tom206wrc]

Weird livery on Robert Consani's DS3 R5 he will drive in ERC(from Circuit of Ireland) :p:

[EightGear]

Mitsubishi R5 in action: https://youtu.be/2sph2es8GU4

[fegh]

Mitsubishi R5 in action: https://youtu.be/2sph2es8GU4

How they are doing ? Couldn't find the car times on the rally website.

[EightGear]

You won't be finding times, it was running as a course car (X1).

It's hard to judge how good the car is, Weng was driving it quite carefully at the places where I was standing.

[PLuto]

I think that car still dont have any homologation to be eligible for race...

[MartijnS]

I liked it, good sound! But it's very clear that it's a private project. Doesn't look like a real R5 to me. About speed, difficult to compare it to anything, didn't look slow anyway. :)

[MartijnS]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11071746_1049015681781892_3125577354770926885_n.jp g?oh=610d7197de8d28ca01811d249cc97196&oe=5577C285&__gda__=1433917909_9226819859f343c00ed1a5d4eb436c0 0

[HarriK]

R5 Colt Tanks RAlly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na-kff8nlZY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U5sKwibnoo

[Rallyper]

Sounds that engine lagging more than a proper R5 engine at changing gears.

[rallysupportnl]

Video from Tank S Rally 2015, including Mitsubishi Mirage R5:

http://i57.tinypic.com/346az6f.jpg (https://youtu.be/-zhq1xuxIG4)

Click on the picture!

[cardy]

Mitsubishi R5 on the entry for Rally North Wales next week https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2015/northwales/entries.php?type=u

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/tank_s_rally_2015/msc_nq3p8832.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Martin Koci in WRC2 from Portugal with a 208 T16 Under colours of Peugeot Slovakia :bounce:

[TheFlyingTuga]

http://autosport.pt/mitsubishi-nao-vai-homologar-mirage-r5=f132327#ixzz3VLAaY2EX

You could translate it, but basically what the article says is that Mitsubishi Motors denied the Mirage R5 homologation, so no FIA rallys for this little car :/

[RS]

http://autosport.pt/mitsubishi-nao-vai-homologar-mirage-r5=f132327#ixzz3VLAaY2EX

You could translate it, but basically what the article says is that Mitsubishi Motors denied the Mirage R5 homologation, so no FIA rallys for this little car :/

That's a pity but not a surprise. Any serious manufacturer would want to make sure the car was top notch. No disrespect to the guys who built this car but i'm sure they don't have the resources to take on Skoda, PSA and M--Sport.

But this makes me think it is about time Mitsubishi and Subaru made R5 cars if they do not want to venture into Wrcars. N4/R4 is fairly obsolete now.

[Rallyper]

I dont think Mitsubishi is aware if it is top notch or not. Who would ever try to build an R5 without best known technology?

[had_zachau]

Some testing Fabia R5. Driver Kopecky

https://youtu.be/yGzJUxDHy2I some photoes at http://www.griptv.cz/2015/03/skoda-fabia-r5-test-byli-jsme-u-toho-video/

[Mirek]

They write that each time Kopecký did 12x the testing road at once simulating a nearly 40 km long stage. By the way it's part of stage Sychrov from Rally Bohemia.

[RICARDO75]

Pontus Tidemand has been officially confirmed by Skoda Motorsport to compete in the APRC. The first round is in New Zealand on April 17.
But it seems that the debut with the new Skoda Fabia R5 will only be at the end of the year.

http://evenmanagement.no/pontus-tidemand-teams-up-with-skoda-motorsport

[polo10]

Well, it seems that debut of the new Skoda Fabia R5 won't be in Rally Sumava. Pontus Tidemand has been officially confirmed by Skoda Motorsport to compete in the APRC. The first round is in New Zealand on April 17.
Where do you read that Ricardo? I read that they will begin with Fabia S2000

[liposh]

Ricardo75, "by the end" and "at the end of year 2015" are two different things. "By the end" most probably means: "We will not catch it till first round of APRC, but from second round we will be there with R5" (In my opinion) ..."Skoda PR" is totally new language, it sound like English, but it is much more like Klingonese :-D

[RICARDO75]

Where do you read that Ricardo? I read that they will begin with Fabia S2000

That was before reading the full press release :). I corrected at the same time you were writing.

[Mirek]

The APRC cars are privately-owned. It depends when and if they already ordered R5. Anyway S2000 is fast enough for APRC.

[liposh]

Mirek, You are right, but as we both know it is not that simple. Somebody could be confused. MRF is private team, but Skoda motorsport is massively interested in this project and in presentation in Asia markets. ...And for example Mr. Hortek is in nearly all of the MRF team pictures.

[had_zachau]

Pontus Tidemand tested Fabia R5 http://janpavlicek.com/galerie/2015/tidemand/

[Mirek]

Video of Kopecký's R5 test at the opposite end of the stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGzP4MuyT5s

[RS]

Video of Kopecký's R5 test at the opposite end of the stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGzP4MuyT5s

Nice :)

Latest version looks a bit more agile/aggressive at low revs. Sounds better too.

[cardy]

rally of wales today Mitsubishi R5 running http://results.djames.org.uk/results/combined.php?EventID=374&StageID=1&button=Fetch+Stage+Results&e=374

[TheFlyingTuga]

rally of wales today Mitsubishi R5 running http://results.djames.org.uk/results/combined.php?EventID=374&StageID=1&button=Fetch+Stage+Results&e=374

I dunno if the field it's very competitive, but being in 5th overral in that big field can be considered a bad result. Hope Mitsubishi gives them a chance afterall

[MTA]

I dunno if the field it's very competitive, but being in 5th overral in that big field can be considered a bad result. Hope Mitsubishi gives them a chance afterall

I read that Martin hade been of the road twice on the first three stages so very impressive times.

[HaCo]

Look at this summary: http://results.djames.org.uk/results/competitor.php?EventID=374&e=374&CompetitorID=5&SubEventID=374

The Mitsu R5 could have been 2nd. Lost quite a lot of time on SS3.

[tommeke_B]

Of course we have to consider the capabilities of the driver as well, anyone here who can tell more about him? Never heard the name before these Mitsubishi R5 outings... How quick is he and does he have any international experience? I think it's a pitty they didn't choose some well-known driver to show the real potential of the car. Also for feedback about the car it would have helped a lot if some driver with experience with big teams did it...

[PLuto]

Of course we have to consider the capabilities of the driver as well, anyone here who can tell more about him? Never heard the name before these Mitsubishi R5 outings... How quick is he and does he have any international experience? I think it's a pitty they didn't choose some well-known driver to show the real potential of the car. Also for feedback about the car it would have helped a lot if some driver with experience with big teams did it...

It is a quetion if any well-known driver has interest to drive a car which doesnt have any homologation...

[EightGear]

How come it's showing in the results now but wasn't at last week's Tank S Rally?

[Rallyper]

Last week it was 0-car.

[tommeke_B]

It is a quetion if any well-known driver has interest to drive a car which doesnt have any homologation...

There are enough capable drivers sitting at home... What could they lose?

[EightGear]

Last week it was 0-car.
Yes I know, since it wasn't homologated it couldn't compete. Why can it compete now?

[tommeke_B]

Yes I know, since it wasn't homologated it couldn't compete. Why can it compete now?
Probably thanks to some national homologation, or some championship with rules that are very free. In Belgian regional events for example you can start with pretty much everything, as long as it's within a few rules according to the class you want to drive in, not even a national homologation needed.

[vino_93]

In France there's a regulation allowing national homologated car, as the Adam Cup in FR2 (R2), or the Xsara T4 (WRC before international homologation). I'm quite sure they could start there too, if they want some tarmac tests.

[RS]

Video of Kopecký's R5 test at the opposite end of the stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGzP4MuyT5s

One thing I noticed about the Fabia is that it seems to be running with quite long suspension travel, even on asphalt.

[dimviii]

One thing I noticed about the Fabia is that it seems to be running with quite long suspension travel, even on asphalt.
same as the old fabia s2000

[RS]

same as the old fabia s2000

It looks more extreme to me on the new car, but maybe it is just a more open wheelarch?

Check out the pictures at: http://www.griptv.cz/2015/03/skoda-fabia-r5-test-byli-jsme-u-toho-video/

[dimviii]

It looks more extreme to me on the new car, but maybe it is just a more open wheelarch?

Check out the pictures at: http://www.griptv.cz/2015/03/skoda-fabia-r5-test-byli-jsme-u-toho-video/

i havent see the difference between old vs new,but generally fabia has more travel than peugeots/citroens.

[tommeke_B]

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10606341_923242047706105_4069747487094034741_n.jpg ?oh=460de47c63d20c6661b92036abb8c5d0&oe=5570733F

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11102710_923241117706198_5594257060112611895_n.jpg ?oh=ea93d8d66ec1a01ebcf3f326c3095043&oe=5578B2B9

This (and probably more of the stages) were part of Wales Rally GB last year. Places of photos reversed were SS1 Gartheinog if I'm right. :) Also interesting to know he was on Yokohama tyres..

[PLuto]

In France there's a regulation allowing national homologated car, as the Adam Cup in FR2 (R2), or the Xsara T4 (WRC before international homologation). I'm quite sure they could start there too, if they want some tarmac tests.

Yes, but there is one difference - this french cars had national homologation. Mitsubishi R5 has no homologation. They were trying to have swedish national homologation, but they didnt succeeded...

[Rally Power]

This swedish Mitsubishi R5 project it's a nice project. They intend to provide an affordable R5 car and give Mitsu drivers a competitive alternative to old Gr. N cars.

Mitsubishi Motors should support the homologation process having in mind that the main effort comes from a private company and allow the Mitsubishi name to be kept alive in rallying.

Let’s hope the revelation from MM homologation denial reported by autosport.pt site (that sometimes seems to use very unreliable sources) it’s incorrect, so that in a near future we could see a lot of this little fast cars rallying over european stages!

[PLuto]

This swedish Mitsubishi R5 project it's a nice project. They intend to provide an affordable R5 car and give Mitsu drivers a competitive alternative to old Gr. N cars.

Mitsubishi Motors should support the homologation process having in mind that the main effort comes from a private company and allow the Mitsubishi name to be kept alive in rallying.

Let’s hope the revelation from MM homologation denial reported by autosport.pt site (that sometimes seems to use very unreliable sources) it’s incorrect, so that in a near future we could see a lot of this little fast cars rallying over european stages!

For me it is curious why they started with this project without approval from manufacturer...

[OldF]

I found this from another forum.

http://www.rallye-info.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=231&start=60

by Sulland (http://www.rallye-info.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=58&sid=9de5f0cc0dd0ed89a0ea357ab478929e) » 11 Sep 2013 19:43
Mparts from Sweden is building a Mitsubishi Spacestar R5 from scratch, with blessing from Mitsubishi.
It is for now ment for national homologation, but that might change. Only int approved seats is missing to go international.
Plan is to have it ready for the 2014 season in Sweden!
Price will be aprox 140 000 euro.

Cool that people dare to challenge the big guns!

Sulland, from where did you get the information that the project has blessing from Mitsubishi?

[MartijnS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcHGH-bct_4&feature=youtu.be

[AndyRAC]

Having been out spectating yesterday, it might be a nice car for a clubman in a national series. At best it could make a reasonable R5 in the WRC2, but I can't see it beating the Fiesta, DS3, etc R5's

[Rallyper]

Having been out spectating yesterday, it might be a nice car for a clubman in a national series. At best it could make a reasonable R5 in the WRC2, but I can't see it beating the Fiesta, DS3, etc R5's

For sure. First the car has to come under MM wings. Then maybe enough efforts and resources will be available. And the car will be internationally competitive. Let´s wait and see how this project proceeds.

[Mirek]

One thing I noticed about the Fabia is that it seems to be running with quite long suspension travel, even on asphalt.


same as the old fabia s2000


It looks more extreme to me on the new car, but maybe it is just a more open wheelarch?

Check out the pictures at: http://www.griptv.cz/2015/03/skoda-fabia-r5-test-byli-jsme-u-toho-video/


i havent see the difference between old vs new,but generally fabia has more travel than peugeots/citroens.

I can say for sure that during Barum rally the R5 was much softer than S2000. It may have changed a bit but it still looks very soft.

[Mirek]

Per, I don't want to spoil Your hopes but I don't remember any car which started as a low-budget private project and later become internationally competitive. I mean the car either is good from the start or not. Some development is sure possible but usually no miracle steps are possible on already built car.

[nafpaktos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcHGH-bct_4&feature=youtu.be

It is MUCH more spectacular than evo gr.n or r4,it also looks to me faster.the cost for a new full group n i think is bigger so i think this r5 for someone who is not seeking for top results is really good.

[Rallyper]

Per, I don't want to spoil Your hopes but I don't remember any car which started as a low-budget private project and later become internationally competitive. I mean the car either is good from the start or not. Some development is sure possible but usually no miracle steps are possible on already built car.

I´m not hoping for anything but many cars during the years have evolved during it´s age. And who doesn´t want it to be good in the end? This is a private project but I said if MM kind of took over, it could be good in the end. Or is the basic car/engine/bodyshell not suited for rallying or what do I miss?

[Rally Power]

Even with strict and balanced rules like those of the R5 category, factory teams will always have more resources to develop their cars than private tuners.

But this Mirage R5 interest comes from the purpose that it could be cheaper than top R5 cars and an answer to all Mitsu rally drivers and dealers wishing to replace their dated Evos.

Btw, if FIA now accepts Gt cars homologation from private tuners, why not allow the same for R5 cars?

[Ounin]

I like private initiatives and sometimes they come to fruitition. Of course the factory looks at it from distance and if it fails they say "it's a private project" and if it succeeds or it has potency they are interested ... the whole GT scene that is supported by FIA now is and always has been private ; remember the Future World Porsche that was not really a success initially but it started up something as it is now! The Finnish Aston Martin project is private. The Belgian Mustang will be Floral Racing.
Tet me remind you that the Polo S2000 is originally from South Africa, and shortly René Georges took it to Europe. Maybe VAG was so much interested they gave it a go and called their project Skoda Fabia...
I like the Mitsubishi R5 a lot hope it will interest some people in Japan to give it some support it needs.

[br21]

With R5 problem is there is so limited Jokers number available, so not a lot of possibilities to improve already homologated car.
Also I don't want to be rude, but if it's true that rollcage was done with wrong welding method and it's why it was not homologated in Sweden, then it's not good advert for the team which developed it. If they didn't notice such thing in regulations then question is what else they missed?

[Rallyper]

Maybe wrong welding method by papers, not by material.

[Sulland]

I found this from another forum.

http://www.rallye-info.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=231&start=60

by Sulland (http://www.rallye-info.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=58&sid=9de5f0cc0dd0ed89a0ea357ab478929e) » 11 Sep 2013 19:43
Mparts from Sweden is building a Mitsubishi Spacestar R5 from scratch, with blessing from Mitsubishi.
It is for now ment for national homologation, but that might change. Only int approved seats is missing to go international.
Plan is to have it ready for the 2014 season in Sweden!
Price will be aprox 140 000 euro.

Cool that people dare to challenge the big guns!

Sulland, from where did you get the information that the project has blessing from Mitsubishi?

It is mentioned several places in conjuction with press coverage at RallyDay 2014, also here:
http://racingist.com/2014/08/13/mitsubishi-r5-to-make-debut-at-rallyday/

So I guess it has come from Mr Wengs camp when they were there.

[Rally Power]

... the whole GT scene that is supported by FIA now is and always has been private ; remember the Future World Porsche that was not really a success initially but it started up something as it is now! The Finnish Aston Martin project is private. The Belgian Mustang will be Floral Racing.
Tet me remind you that the Polo S2000 is originally from South Africa, and shortly René Georges took it to Europe. Maybe VAG was so much interested they gave it a go and called their project Skoda Fabia...
I like the Mitsubishi R5 a lot hope it will interest some people in Japan to give it some support it needs.

As far as I remember, until recently (2014?) GT private projects had only national homologation because FIA international homologation was reserved for manufacturers. Only Lotus showed interest in it, that's why FIA came to allow private tuners to get international homologations for their GT projects, like those you've mentioned.

Like GT, R5 isn't the pinnacle category of the sport, so why can FIA allow private R5 projects to get international homologation alongside the factory ones?

Maybe that way R5 could get cheaper and a larger number of models could be seen on stages, and that would be positive for the sport!

[Mirek]

As far as I remember, until recently (2014?) GT private projects had only national homologation because FIA international homologation was reserved for manufacturers. Only Lotus showed interest in it, that's why FIA came to allow private tuners to get international homologations for their GT projects, like those you've mentioned.

Like GT, R5 isn't the pinnacle category of the sport, so why can FIA allow private R5 projects to get international homologation alongside the factory ones?

Maybe that way R5 could get cheaper and a larger number of models could be seen on stages, and that would be positive for the sport!

There is a big difference between RGT and R5. RGT are near stock cars while R5 are purpose built machines. They need to use quite a lot of production parts but that doesn't make them less tricky. The rules of R5 are really challenging and don't allow cheap success. You can see how many difficulties big and rich factory teams have with them. In some way the R5 development is more difficult than S2000. RGT is entirely different story.

On top of that as Br21 pointed out once You homologate R5 You are virtually fixed for several years without a chance for major changes. That means You have to make things right out of the box or You are fucked. See how even a big factory team lost a complete season with problems of 208 T16 which already before was one year delayed in development due to the difficulties...

[OldF]

It is mentioned several places in conjuction with press coverage at RallyDay 2014, also here:
http://racingist.com/2014/08/13/mitsubishi-r5-to-make-debut-at-rallyday/

So I guess it has come from Mr Wengs camp when they were there.

Thanks Sulland. I remembered that you said it in a post but I was too lazy to browse true the posts and by googling mitsubishi r5 (not ”mitsubishi r5”) I didn’t find any mention of Mitsubishi approval on the pages I opened. Btw, the link you posted was on 7th page of the google result and usually I don’t go that far back when searching for something.

[Mirek]

Tet me remind you that the Polo S2000 is originally from South Africa, and shortly René Georges took it to Europe. Maybe VAG was so much interested they gave it a go and called their project Skoda Fabia...

It wasn't like that. AFAIK Polo S2000 played zero role in Fabia development and the two cars shared nothing common except same stock chassis platform. Also it wasn't VAG who ordered Škoda to make S2000 but a Škoda initiative from the point of start. The reason why they decided for it was in that time rapid success of IRC. Fabia was somewhat influenced by Peugeot 207 and Fiat Punto which were both available for Škoda for testing thanks to team of Kopecký but the final design was largely different from both (biggest difference being completely different suspension geometry).

[Ounin]

It wasn't like that. AFAIK Polo S2000 played zero role in Fabia development and the two cars shared nothing common except same stock chassis platform. Also it wasn't VAG who ordered Škoda to make S2000 but a Škoda initiative from the point of start. The reason why they decided for it was in that time rapid success of IRC. Fabia was somewhat influenced by Peugeot 207 and Fiat Punto which were both available for Škoda for testing thanks to team of Kopecký but the final design was largely different from both (biggest difference being completely different suspension geometry).

I said maybe. But thanks for the info! Maybe René Georges took the Polo project to Belgium for same reason Skoda ordered to develop the Fabia, IRC or : business opportunities. Maybe;)

[Rally Power]

There is a big difference between RGT and R5. RGT are near stock cars while R5 are purpose built machines. They need to use quite a lot of production parts but that doesn't make them less tricky. The rules of R5 are really challenging and don't allow cheap success. You can see how many difficulties big and rich factory teams have with them. In some way the R5 development is more difficult than S2000. RGT is entirely different story.

.
You're missing the point! After FIA opening homologation to private tuners the interest over GT class increase hugely, and that could also be the case with R5 (nowadays limited to 3/4 manus) and even on the other R categories (there are little more than 20 models homologated, all classes combined).

Rally fans needs diversity of models on stages and drivers could be able to choose their cars from different tuners, instead of having to pay a fortune to the established ones that profit from FIA strict homologation methods.

In Gr.N/A days there was an enormous variety of models homologated from almost every make and a huge number of capable private tuners, that could provide competitive cars at a fraction of the cost of a works car.

With the exception of WRC cars, the pinnacle category of the sport, R classes homologation process shouldn't be so oriented to manufacturers, and FIA could easily replicate the overture to private tuners like in R-GT.

[Mirek]

You're missing the point! After FIA opening homologation to private tuners the interest over GT class increase hugely, and that could also be the case with R5 (nowadays limited to 3/4 manus) and even on the other R categories (there are little more than 20 models homologated, all classes combined).

I wouldn't say there is some special interest in RGT category. We can count the cars which run some international event on fingers of one hand. That's hardly a success after two years with new rules. Besides that I stand my point. To build an RGT car is very very easy compared to building an R5 car and there is no real benchmark in the class for You to destroy all Your hopes after first stage You run. Let's be real. We have seen a lot of much better funded projects in the S2000 category which failed. Nobody was buying MG, Corsa, Proton or Polo despite them being cheaper than the opponents and even the fact that they weren't that bad (Polo and Proton were quite competitive at some point). Moreover... In 2012 You could buy once totally competitive Punto S2000 for 70 thousand Euros. There was 70 Puntos built. Do You see them running on stages?


Rally fans needs diversity of models on stages and drivers could be able to choose their cars from different tuners, instead of having to pay a fortune to the established ones that profit from FIA strict homologation methods.

Again same point. Building R5 cars is not tuning. It's a development of the entire car from scratch. It costs millions of Euros if You want to sell it to someone. Nobody will do that just for fun. We can keep dreaming that if we change the rules the world will be suddenly flooded with new cars but it won't. It would make sense for smaller classes such as R1, R2 because there would be a lot of teams capable of making them good. R5 is a manufacturer playground. When was the last time a completely privately developed car was competitive against factory cars? I don't know myself but I guess it must be half a century a go.


In Gr.N/A days there was an enormous variety of models homologated from almost every make and a huge number of capable private tuners, that could provide competitive cars at a fraction of the cost of a works car.

With the exception of WRC cars, the pinnacle category of the sport, R classes homologation process shouldn't be so oriented to manufacturers, and FIA could easily replicate the overture to private tuners like in R-GT.

Three points. First point is that around 1990 there was multiply more independent car manufacturers in the world than now. The globalization made them join into huge groups which are driven both by strict internal policies and effectiveness. For them there's no point to have two or three brands of the same group involved in the same thing.

Second thing is that You put an example which contradicts You own previous statements. There was same homologation system valid in 1990 as it is now. All those cars were homologated by the manufacturer and the tuners were only tuning them. They didn't develop them from scratch for the homologation.

Third point is that it was simply different times. Road going rally cars were popular stuff produced by many manufacturers and it was relatively easy to tune them into something useful. Making a road going Delta Integrale Evo into a rally car was sure easier than to buy a Fiesta and change totally everything except the bodyshell to make it the R5. I know I repeat myself frequently but those days are over. Let's get used to it. The car development took different way and it will not come back in a foreseeable future.

[Rallyper]

I know I repeat myself frequently but those days are over. Let's get used to it. The car development took different way and it will not come back in a foreseeable future.

Why couldn´t things change for the better? ie. going back to roots.

[Mirek]

Because it's utopia.

[AdvEvo]

I like rally very much but i can t buy an r5 car and i certainly can t pay the running costs on such cars. So i have a gr a BMW M3. I like also rwd cars and BMW. This is my only choice if i want a FIA homologated car from BMW.

Rally needs to be more open and let you drive cars you like. If i could rally an newer BMW i would maybe choose that. But my only choice is gr a!

[Rally Power]

Maybe going back to roots it's not utopia, just good sense instigated by the course of circumstances…

Obviously all homologation are, as always were, proposed by the manufacturer and works tuners will always get advantage over the private ones, but after the introduction of R categories homologations are so strict that the use of works tuners components become virtually mandatory.

That's ok for the WRC class, because makes are directly involved in the major expression of the sport, but it makes no sense that drivers and teams competing with lower categories cars in regional and national championships should be forced to follow this official supplier policy.

This is a way to restrain the sport, as become clear in the R-GT issue. Just hope FIA officials understand that there's a need to use the R-GT example and allow private tuners homologations on other R categories, to bring diversity and larger accessibility to the sport.

[pantealex]

SKODA Motorsport has 2 entries in WRC2
www.fia.com/news/2015-fia-wrc-2-championship-list-registrations

[NoFear85]

new DS3 R5 for FriulMotor

[dimviii]

Video of Kopecký's R5 test at the opposite end of the stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGzP4MuyT5s

Breen with Skoda uniform at r5 tests?

[polo10]

Breen with Skoda uniform at r5 tests?
Where?

[Mirek]

Maybe going back to roots it's not utopia, just good sense instigated by the course of circumstances…

It is utopia. I don't know if You are somehow connected to the car industry but if You do You must see how much everything changed and how dreams like that are nothing but dreams. The car development process has changed, the production process has changed, the marketing tools have changed, the customer demands and interests have changed, regulations have changed and even the road traffic has changed. Sadly for us all the changes were not in the direction we would like to see but quite the opposite.


Obviously all homologation are, as always were, proposed by the manufacturer and works tuners will always get advantage over the private ones, but after the introduction of R categories homologations are so strict that the use of works tuners components become virtually mandatory.

That's ok for the WRC class, because makes are directly involved in the major expression of the sport, but it makes no sense that drivers and teams competing with lower categories cars in regional and national championships should be forced to follow this official supplier policy.

I don't oppose this statement. I would even say I agree with You however I have to admit I can see some valid points in the FIA stance as well. The main one is that FIA in a way protects the interests of manufacturers which invested millions into the development and homologation.


This is a way to restrain the sport, as become clear in the R-GT issue. Just hope FIA officials understand that there's a need to use the R-GT example and allow private tuners homologations on other R categories, to bring diversity and larger accessibility to the sport.

The problem is that there is no success of RGT rules. What we can see can not be called a success and I'm sure that a handful of RGT cars won't make FIA to change to the rules of R5 towards the same system when in the same time people bought 150 of those expensive R5 cars...

[Simmi]

Breen with Skoda uniform at r5 tests?

Check the name on the overalls.

[dimviii]

Where?

video at post 2679,first seconds

[dimviii]

Check the name on the overalls.

isn t strange that they have an Peugeot driver at their tests before launching r5 fabia?

[Mirek]

video at post 2679,first seconds

There is no Breen on the video You linked. It's Jan Kopecký and Pavel Dresler.

[dimviii]

There is no Breen on the video You linked. It's Jan Kopecký and Pavel Dresler.

my bad,i thought that was Breen.

[stefanvv]

We're not in 80's anymore when You could have stock Quattro and with some tuning to turn in to very successful private car. Mirek is right, it is utopia in these days private tuners to make very successful rally car in any class, except RGT, but since there are not manufacturers directly involved there, of course it goes down to private tuner teams. Sad but this is the reality, it is more professional sport now in first place, and R5 class is not that far from WRC in porpoise, they're both meant to be top class in their championships, of course R5 is also for national championship competition also.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That new Fabia R5 is looking better with every video. Seems like Skoda are testing to get it perfect before its debut and not making the mistake of Peugeot with their 208T16 last season.

I bet it will be like the WRC Polo and be fastest from its first event.

[Rallyper]

It is utopia. I don't know if You are somehow connected to the car industry but if You do You must see how much everything changed and how dreams like that are nothing but dreams. The car development process has changed, the production process has changed, the marketing tools have changed, the customer demands and interests have changed, regulations have changed and even the road traffic has changed. Sadly for us all the changes were not in the direction we would like to see but quite the opposite.



I don't oppose this statement. I would even say I agree with You however I have to admit I can see some valid points in the FIA stance as well. The main one is that FIA in a way protects the interests of manufacturers which invested millions into the development and homologation.



The problem is that there is no success of RGT rules. What we can see can not be called a success and I'm sure that a handful of RGT cars won't make FIA to change to the rules of R5 towards the same system when in the same time people bought 150 of those expensive R5 cars...

So let´s get some consensus here: Could it be increased interest in rallying from manufacturers? FIA playing an important role getting that situation. The synergi will maybe be that we´ll have more cheap cars made by mf in lower classes and that would be as near back to roots achievable?

[stefanvv]

"We" can't decide that. It is manufacturers who decide which class to make car for. And this will come as cheap as much they decide it is. Mitsubishi R5 is nice project, but it seems it'll stay just "nice". Why the company don't want to support it, we might ask ourselves?

[Rallyper]

Looking at M-sport which has been successful bringing out R1, R2, R3, R5, R2400 and WRC-cars ay manufacturer could see they gain lots of PR having many and popular rallymodels. This doesn´t answer the very first quotes about Mitsu, but could be the solution which has to come.

Edit: I know it sounds quite weird above, but more models and brands shapes the market for rallycars.

[liposh]

Funny fact: It is 1st April today and Skoda motorsport still haven´t confirmed officially they homologate the new Fabia R5 today. They also haven´t announced plan of two from three official drivers. In fact everything we know are rumours except Tidemand driving APRC.

[pantealex]

Funny fact: It is 1st April today and Skoda motorsport still haven´t confirmed officially they homologate the new Fabia R5 today. They also haven´t announced plan of two from three official drivers. In fact everything we know are rumours except Tidemand driving APRC.
+they have 2 entries in WRC2. (answer #2677)

[marcosg]

i read fabia wasn't homologated due to engine irregularities?!

[marcosg]

i read fabia wasn't homologated due to engine irregularities?!
april's 1st prank :)

[Rally Power]

So let´s get some consensus here: Could it be increased interest in rallying from manufacturers? FIA playing an important role getting that situation. The synergi will maybe be that we´ll have more cheap cars made by mf in lower classes and that would be as near back to roots achievable?

You're completely right Rallyper. The lack of interest from the motor industry over rally sport it isn't entirely due to marketing orientations or production methods. FIA has to do their work and put in place policies to make the sport more accessible to all, sharing it between manufacturers and private competitors from all levels, because that’s the central spirit of this sport.

Btw, maybe it was then seen as utopic, but Monte Carlo organizers struggled against the 9 to 5 clover format and managed to implement a rally route closer to their event roots.

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 108 to Tomasz Kuchar :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t34.0-12/11075062_1099837340045692_1274264064_n.jpg?oh=8f97 33aa2564e29fcab25bd054ef5f29&oe=551EED10&__gda__=1428020795_336da7a143f58407f751d578a2ecddf 3

Need to know the owner of 103, 104, 106 and 107 (One of them PX64 CVK of Kajto)

[Jarek Z]

Chassis 108 to Tomasz Kuchar :)

It seems we will have a Ford Fiesta R5 one-make cup in Poland this year :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Eheh yes, but one of C-Rally goes to Lukyanuk :)

Here at Portugal, maybe we have other cup ahahah

[Karbonyl]

DS3 R5 of Czech Gemini Rally Team will temporarily host Bryan Bouffier in its cockpit at Rally Šumava 2015. Following rounds of Czech championship will be again entered by Miroslav Jakeš.

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=17089

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_9f6fe06d376af84b0ec7471c912db6cd.jpg
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_6a93553bebdb376e8de8dca506a576e7.jpg

[Jarek Z]

It seems we will have the following R5 cars in the Polish championship this year:

Grzegorz Grzyb - Ford Fiesta R5 (confirmed)
Lukasz Habaj - Ford Fiesta R5 (confirmed)
Maciej Rzeznik - Ford Fiesta R5 (confirmed)
Tomasz Kuchar - Ford Fiesta R5
Maciej Oleksowicz - Ford Fiesta R5
Tomasz Kasperczyk - Ford Fiesta R5
Filip Nivette - Ford Fiesta R5

Not bad! :)

[br21]

all those drivers confirmed

[Jeppe]

DS3 R5 of Czech Gemini Rally Team will temporarily host Bryan Bouffier in its cockpit at Rally Šumava 2015. Following rounds of Czech championship will be again entered by Miroslav Jakeš.

Any ´inside´ information why Mirek Jakes won´t drive in Sumava? Hard to believe they just want to have driver for one rally whom is not doing the whole championships. And their own driver probably loose his champ chances due this visit...

[EightGear]

DS3 R5 for Bob de Jong.

[Mirek]

Any ´inside´ information why Mirek Jakes won´t drive in Sumava? Hard to believe they just want to have driver for one rally whom is not doing the whole championships. And their own driver probably loose his champ chances due this visit...

Hard to say but I think that Jakeš wasn't very happy with the car and I think that the team wants to show him what is possible and also use Bryan's experience with setting the car...

[dimviii]

fabia r5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FmpDPKFX1mQ

[RS]

fabia r5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FmpDPKFX1mQ

Carrying some speed over that jump!

Also flies and lands very nicely, shame it's not in Ireland.

[Mirek]

That looks like famous Malonty stage of Rally Český Krumlov.

[Reis Eduardo]

http://autosport.pt/skoda-motorsport-com-equipa-oficial-no-wrc2=f133428
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/kopecky-aussi-en-wrc-2/

Skoda will not defend the title of the ERC champion this year?

[mousti]

Great!

Milestone for ŠKODA: the highest authority in motorsport, the International Automobile Federation FIA, has given the new ŠKODA Fabia R 5 the green light. Following its successful homologation, the new rally car can now continue the Czech automobile manufacturer’s 114-year motorsport success story.

[RICARDO75]

Milestone for ŠKODA: the highest authority in motorsport, the International Automobile Federation FIA, has given the new ŠKODA Fabia R 5 the green light. Following its successful homologation, the new rally car can now continue the Czech automobile manufacturer’s 114-year motorsport success story.

[Mirek]

There shall be the official team presentation next week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDum6jWYAELgQK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDunDKWgAAvaBo.jpg

The car looks great in white!

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I wish I can make my own livery

[polo10]

There shall be the official team presentation next week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDum6jWYAELgQK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDunDKWgAAvaBo.jpg

The car looks great in white!
better in white...the best good looking R5 for me

[Reis Eduardo]

And when competition program will be presented ?

[Mirek]

Press conference shall take place on 15th April.

[RICARDO75]

There shall be the official team presentation next week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDum6jWYAELgQK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDunDKWgAAvaBo.jpg

The car looks great in white!

From the outside, the only thing I see different from the show car, is a new rear wing

[dimviii]

dont know if its the best looking r5,but the arches design is very good.



edit

even at traditional skoda colors is nice.Here a photoshoped one

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_04_2015/post-106-0-66772700-1428487736.jpg

[RICARDO75]

The car that Kajto raced on Ireland, it's on ARC workshop in Portugal. Second Fiesta R5 for Ricardo Moura to race on Rally Cidade de Guimarães.

[Francis44]

So Moura now owns 2 cars? Unbelievable the amount of cars some teams have for such a small championship like we have in Portugal, Barros team now owns 3 If I'm not mistaken, minus the one sold to the Canarias.

[RICARDO75]

I still don't know if he bought or rented. Other Fiesta R5 must be to compete in the Azorean Championship

[Jarek Z]

Ford Fiesta R5 for Tomasz Kuchar:
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/kuchar-przedstawil-barwy,60570

[Andre Oliveira]

Should be chassis 103 or 104 to Moura ;)

[Sulland]

Will be interessting to se the first results of the Fabia, if it has both speed and emdurance I will bet a lot of cheap PSA R5s will come on the market!

[noel157]

Best looking R5 so far. I know press conference on the 15th but any ideas when it will turn a wheel in anger? Mirek?

[PLuto]

Best looking R5 so far. I know press conference on the 15th but any ideas when it will turn a wheel in anger? Mirek?

Like we are telling for a long time, first start should be at the end of April on first round of Czech championship, Rallye Sumava Klatovy.

[noel157]

Well thankyou Pluto. I really should read your posts in future.... : )
Hope you enjoyed Ireland (apart from the timing problems).

[stefanvv]

There shall be the official team presentation next week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDum6jWYAELgQK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCDunDKWgAAvaBo.jpg

The car looks great in white!

The wheel arches and overall design are great, the exhaust is little weird.

[PLuto]

Well thankyou Pluto. I really should read your posts in future.... : )
Hope you enjoyed Ireland (apart from the timing problems).

Yes, I have enjoyed it. Due to not working results, I was able to see two stages on my eyes :)

[Tom206wrc]

Will be interessting to se the first results of the Fabia, if it has both speed and emdurance I will bet a lot of cheap PSA R5s will come on the market!

And Fords too :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

It seems we will have a Ford Fiesta R5 one-make cup in Poland this year :)


No R5 program for Peugeot Polska this season :confused:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And Fords too :rolleyes:

It was interesting to see how quick Barrable and Kajto were in the private R5 Fiesta's vs Breen's factory 208T16. I think the Ford's are improving with age ...

[N.O.T]

I think the Ford's are improving with age ...

i agree, maybe they have passed the running in period... or they might be like wine... LOL

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford have the jokers. Let's wait and see how they react (if needed) to Fabia R5 speed.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

How many cars Skoda has already built?

[Mirek]

Ford have the jokers. Let's wait and see how they react (if needed) to Fabia R5 speed.

I'm sure M-Sport is waiting with jokers for Škoda as You say.


How many cars Skoda has already built?

Last time I heard they had around 15 bodyshells ready but not enough other parts.

[Jarek Z]

No R5 program for Peugeot Polska this season :confused:

I don't think so.

[RS]

Talking of jokers, I understand that certain parts are nominated when the car is homologated which can then be changed later.

Does anyone know how many parts they can nominate and how many may be changed per year?

[RICARDO75]

Ib Kragh will debut his Citroën DS3 R5 on Rallye Vogelsberg next weekend

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Koci's R5 208T16 for remaining WRC2 2015 campaign:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/11027944_998498290169371_7188071971947242761_o.jpg

More: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.998498176836049.1073741834.763758960309973&type=1

[liposh]

Does anybody know whether trt.hu team bought new car(s) or is it still that one from last year? Hoping for less mechanical failures for Koci this year. He is fast, but he has to show it. I mean less mechanical failures in comparison with failures of all P208R5T16 last year :-)

[PLuto]

Does anybody know whether trt.hu team bought new car(s) or is it still that one from last year? Hoping for less mechanical failures for Koci this year. He is fast, but he has to show it. I mean less mechanical failures in comparison with failures of all P208R5T16 last year :-)

It is new car for Koci.

[RS]

Talking of jokers, I understand that certain parts are nominated when the car is homologated which can then be changed later.

Does anyone know how many parts they can nominate and how many may be changed per year?

Nobody able to answer this?

[Andre Oliveira]

The car from picture is the "old" one KN S 053

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCgHJd8WYAAGStJ.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Nobody able to answer this?

No. That's exactly the problem of this sport. Nobody understands it anymore and nobody is able to follow all the changes and the whole chaos that comes with them.

[RICARDO75]

Talking of jokers, I understand that certain parts are nominated when the car is homologated which can then be changed later.

Does anyone know how many parts they can nominate and how many may be changed per year?

Says nothing in regulation. Only this:
JOKERS
All the parts homologated on the VR5 Variant form must be used in their entirety. These parts must not be modified.
The use of a part homologated as “Joker” on a car will be noted on its technical passport.
It will no longer be possible to use the old part as from the date specified.

http://www.fia.com/file/25461/download?token=fIhIJAzR

[Mirek]

New test of Kopecký with Fabia R5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOdPC9sFiqo

[polo10]

Skoda will be testing in north of Portugal from 18 to 22 April...Loix,lappi,tidemand will be the drivers

[liposh]

I don´t know why but I have strange feeling that Loix will drive some international events on Tarmac for Skoda this year. I think the cooperation is very tight. We will see.

[RS]

I don´t know why but I have strange feeling that Loix will drive some international events on Tarmac for Skoda this year. I think the cooperation is very tight. We will see.

I would like to see Loix do an ERC programme and Kopecky some tarmac events in WRC. Soon, we will know...