Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[RICARDO75]

Does anyone know if Skoda already has new developments in engine? According to the shakedown video at Rebenland Rally, Baumschlager car seems to have an extra power at low rpms

[Mirek]

They homologated two modification related to the engine at the beginning of December and nothing else since then. I don't expect anything else until 1st April.

[RS]

Does anyone know if Skoda already has new developments in engine? According to the shakedown video at Rebenland Rally, Baumschlager car seems to have an extra power at low rpms

How come he is back in the Fabia?

[Mirek]

Neubauer won his title and went abroad. The only WRC driver left is Grössing I think.

[Sulland]

Are the homologation plans for the newcomers like this:
Proton Iriz, April 18
Citroen C3, April 18
VW Polo, July/August 18

[pantealex]

Are the homologation plans for the newcomers like this:
Proton Iriz, April 18
Citroen C3, April 18
VW Polo, July/August 18

I believe that Proton is homologated already, others must be like that, otherwise impossible to drive Corsica with C3 and WRC Germany with Polo.

[Andre Oliveira]

According Anders Grøndal, paddle shift to FIA events only

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY-MqZGW4AAj8Ky?format=jpg&name=large

[RS]

So FIA changed their minds again..

[Andre Oliveira]

Sorry my bad, to NON FIA events

[Sulland]

So drivers can use the paddles in non FIA events, but not in FIA events.

So they will have to be removed for FIA events?
Is the stickshift fully functional i paralell with paddles on all R5 cars?
Or are some gearboxes fully dual-functional and some not?

On the WRCars some stickshifts can not be used directly if the paddles start to cheat, or not work at all.
Or is the case that this only occur when the fault is in the gearbox itself, and not in the transfer machanism?

Anyway FIA does not make it easy for the drivers. In some rallies they can use paddles and in some not. Not always easy to understand the logic behind some policy decisions ...

[dimviii]

polo r5 testing at Mexico
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/977185883018481664

[br21]

it's just own M-Sport idea, tested already long time ago. They decided to offer upgraded R5 for non-FIA events, so R5+ (or even 2,0l R5), now they offer also paddle shift. It's just conversion, so you can remove it and drive FIA event easily.

[dimviii]

polo r5
https://twitter.com/RafaMSport/status/977259118472855553

[Sulland]

What are your predictions on the debut of the C3 R5 in Corsica?
Top of flop?

[TWRC]

What are your predictions on the debut of the C3 R5 in Corsica?
Top of flop?
Difficult to say. They have been testing there a lot, so they should have good setups for both Bonato and Lefebvre. I really want that car to be good, and hopefully it will be, but for now I'd say it will be fast, but it won't be the new R5 benchmark as they want that car to be.

[RS]

Also Skoda are homologating new engine parts on 1st April (don't know whether they will be in Corsica?), so the target for Citroen is a moving one.

[dimviii]

c3 r5 in details

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[dimviii]

What was the specifications of the C3 R5?

The idea was clearly to start from a blank sheet. With the objectives that it is obviously reliable and powerful, in a context where the level of the R5 category, already very high a year and a half ago when we started the development, continues to climb, with the arrival of new competitors.

What are the challenges imposed by this category R5?

They are multiple. Starting with having very little leeway (5 jokers on the first 24 months, 5 others later) once the car homologated. It must therefore be well born input. Similarly, at the level of running gear, the number of possible interfaces is very limited. But we have given ourselves as ambitious constraints to optimize both the asphalt version and its counterpart earth, opting for different designs. On the bitumen, the front strut is tilted backwards, while it is leaning forward on the ground. We are the only ones to have done so, and as it is quite easy to do in WRC, as much it is much less in R5! Finally, regarding the engine, the coupling flange / pop-off makes these mechanics particularly complicated: everyone has about the power and torque needed for the engine bench, but the differences are then rally, when the altitude, the temperature vary, as well as in all transient phases. That's why we invested in a much more advanced electronic management, with a heavier focus, but that gave us very good results.


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How was the development?

If the overall timing left us with little room for error, everything went very well. We started to work on a preliminary project at the end of 2016, before actually starting the study on the basis of the C3 in January 2017, for a first drive in early September 2017. Since then, we have not experienced any concern about no major organ, the motor endurances went off without a hitch, and we arrive at a mileage that is starting to be reasonable. We drove pretty much all types of asphalt and set a good basic set-up. Ditto for the land, where we attended a nice variety of test bases. We will now take advantage of this year to refine our settings on specific terrains like Monte Carlo, Sweden, Finland, Great Britain or Germany.

You have made a lot of pilots, from Stéphane Lefebvre to Yoann Bonato, through Craig Breen, Kris Meeke, but also Yohan Rossel, Paolo Andreucci and Simone Tempestini. What purpose ?

Our belief is that a successful rally car must be versatile. Especially in a logic of competition customers. Hence the interest of using a small panel of pilots to have a complete view, but also go faster to understand the possible points to correct on the car, cross-checking the opinions.

PIERRE BUDAR

Director of Citroën Racing

«Goal title for Stéphane Lefebvre! "

"By joining him in WRC2 at the wheel of the C3 R5, we are asking Stéphane Lefebvre to win the championship, to demonstrate the car's potential in terms of performance and reliability on a wide variety of terrains and in a very competitive framework. The commercial stakes are high and Stéphane, who will be in the limelight, will be our showcase. It has two undeniable assets, starting with having achieved a good part of the development. He knows the car well and will arrive on sharp races, especially as he will each time benefit from a preparatory test session. He also has the experience of the events since he has mostly competed last year at the wheel of the WRC. In the wake of Corsica, he will play Portugal and Sardinia, then we reserve the possibility of making arbitrations for the future. In any case, we have faith in its speed, as in its regularity, to shine our new flagship product. "

After the introduction last year of the C3 WRC, 2018 was to dedicate the entry into competition of an R5 declination of the bodybuilded city car brand rafters, this time for the competition customers, and for s' to ensure that it wears its colors as well in WRC-2, the antechamber of the World Cup, as in the various regional championships FIA (Europe, Middle East) or in the multitude of national championships, Citroën Racing has not hesitated to literally question himself and to make a total break with his predecessor. Under the leadership of Olivier Maroselli, an experienced engineer known for having developed several successful rally mounts, the twenty or so people involved in the project started from scratch, to be sure of making the best technical choices. Especially since the level of the category has never been higher than today, with several renowned manufacturers very seriously involved. The main issue of the exercise, a regulation much more restrictive than the WRC in terms of homologation, to the point of providing only five jokers on the first two years (of which 2 allowed only for reasons of safety or reliability), then five more next. Hence the importance of making a copy successful! In other words, to offer from the outset a reliable and powerful mount. After the traditional drawing phase in design office, the Reds have therefore applied since September 2017, date of the first run of their latest creation, to confront the multitude of conditions that make the beauty, but also the difficulty of the disciplined. To sweep a wide variety of grip levels and refine the settings, the asphalt version of the C3 R5, paved with its large wheels of eighteen inches, has surveyed the selective roads of Corsica, Vosges, Tarn, but also the Var, as part of the rally of the same name played in opening last November with Yoann Bonato at the controls. A full-scale test session that had already proved more than conclusive for both the applause and the chrono. Meanwhile, the copy intended for the earth, the most represented surface in Mondial, was also not leftover and passed in particular to the developer of the tracks of Fontjoncouse, in Aude, of Cardona, in Spain, or Mazamet, reputed to test the mechanics. Six thousand kilometers of tests later, Citroën Racing is now able to present a successful product, whose development will be further refined on some very specific surfaces. With new runs still scheduled this year. Thought for the most ambitious hopes of the rally, as for gentlemen drivers, for teams with international pretensions, as for those of smaller size, his key words are already competitiveness, endurance, versatility and ease of maintenance. . Judge instead ...

Developed internally, the engine was a huge challenge for the Red team. "We have set very ambitious goals," explains Olivier Maroselli, the project manager, objectives that we have achieved by working on three major areas. On the one hand, the reliability and the thermal with all the internal part of the engine which proves very sophisticated. Special attention has also been paid to the cylinder head, to improve permeability as much as possible on the intake and exhaust ducts. The last big axis of development concerns electronics, with a management much more evolved than what we had in the past. The interest is in particular to have a much more functional anti-lag system, and therefore a much better response to the recovery of the accelerator, but also to be permanently closer to the maximum boost pressure allowed, without to open the pop-off, which is always very penalizing. All this makes today, the engine is clearly one of the strong points of the car. The pilots are unanimous to say how he is torquey, but we also know that we are well placed in power at the top compared to our opponents. "

https://ftestas.com/peugeotrallye/c3-r5-objectif-titre-pour-stephane-lefebvre/

[dimviii]

The C3 R5 is equipped as its illustrious older WRC with a gearbox from Sadev's workshops. But the similarity stops there, the model used for the occasion having been specifically designed for the needs and constraints specific to the category. "It's the choice of safety," says Olivier Maroselli. If certain internal organs are known, and therefore tried, we have chosen to draw our own architecture. Our packaging is different in terms of width, but also the heights of out of box. Because the latter directly influence the angles of transmission, so the maximum deflections that we allow, but this point has been the subject of our greatest attention. "


Like its big sister the C3 WRC, the C3 R5 sports two different front end geometries depending on whether it is used on asphalt or on the ground. In an effort to optimize the two versions of the new muse of the firm to the rafters, with links on the ground answering each time to the specific constraints of the surface in question. "The number of interfaces allowed between the hub carrier, the force leg, the triangle and the tie rod being very limited, details Olivier Maroselli, it was not a small matter to achieve. But we made that choice, to tilt the strut backwards on the asphalt, for kinematic reasons, and forwards on the ground, mainly for deflection issues. This is certainly one of the strengths of the car, because we made no compromise on the drawings retained. We also made a point of being at the minimum weight on all these pieces. This also goes through the Reiger dampers. Not only are they very beautiful products, which offer a nice margin of maneuver to define the appropriate set-up, but their aluminum struts also contribute to the fact that we managed to contain the masses. "

Listening to the concerns of its customers, Citroën Racing has finally made a point of honor to optimize the maintenance conditions of the C3 R5, while also paying particular attention to the longevity of the selected parts. "It has clearly been one of our areas of work, without compromising on performance," admits Olivier Maroselli. The gearbox or the front panel, for example, disassemble very easily. We've also made a lot of progress on the body, investing in multi-material technology to have rubberized areas in all lower parts of the shields and in some areas of the wings. They have better tolerance to abrasion and deformation. Similarly, we drove a lot of tests on very strong bases type Fontjoncouse, and we have seen a much better aging of the body, and the entire base. Degradations of consumable parts, such as ski protection, are really of a very good level and it is certainly a plus for the cost per kilometer. "

[dimviii]

THREE QUESTIONS TO MAYEUL TYL

Director Peugeot Citroën Racing Shop

What is the reception of the C3 R5 by customers?

We can say that he is very good! We have already registered around 20 firm orders, from France, Belgium, England, Spain and Portugal, a sign of the car's success throughout Europe. But its popularity already exceeds these borders because in the many purchases also received, also include requests from Latin America in particular. It must be said that it was designed to illustrate itself on all possible grounds! To be sure, however, to offer an irreproachable quality of service, we voluntarily limited our assembly capacity to thirty cars for this first year, before climbing to nearly seventy next year. Beyond that, we will adapt according to the appetite of the market.

In which specification is the car sold?

The goal is that she is almost ready to run and go challenge the clock! Also, it is sold assembled on wheels, with a level of equipments with the best standards of the market, mean by there with the headlight ramp, two spare wheels, a batch of rims, the intercom, the net with helmets, the co-pilot lamp, harness cut, a collection of holds, springs too, and I forget it surely.


What is the customer follow-up planned for this launch?

We obviously have a dedicated team of technical attachés, and as part of the deployment of the C3 R5 on the market, they will be present at the maximum on the ground to advise crews and teams, in the appropriation of their new mount. They are as capable of directing pilots on the choice of settings, as the mechanics, if they have a doubt as to the manner of proceeding to this or that technical operation.

[dimviii]

http://rallylovers.be/nb/9746/4-BRC-wedstrijden-in-Citroen-C3-R5-voor-Kevin-Demaerschalk-en-Lara-Vanneste

[PLuto]

http://rallylovers.be/nb/9746/4-BRC-wedstrijden-in-Citroen-C3-R5-voor-Kevin-Demaerschalk-en-Lara-Vanneste

Maybe this should suit more to the Belgian rally thread...

[dimviii]

yeap mistake.

[aykutbilir]

I worked with 208/DS3 R5 at 2016.
There are too many born fault at that cars.

Last year with Fabia incredible. Very stable work horse and a very stable at gravel. Aldo good at tarmac but Fiesta always seems better to me at tarmac surfaces.

And about i20 personally it is a good car but not at the level of Fania and Fiesta.

I have very high hopes on C3 R5 but problem will be marketing. Many PSA R5 owners lost money on 208/DS3 so who will invest when Polo is on the game too


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[Jarek Z]

New Hyundai i20 R5 in Polish rally championship. The driver is Lukasz Byskiniewicz and the co-driver is the famous Maciej Wislawski. I think it will be a debut of this car in Poland.
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/byskiniewicz-potwierdzil-hyundaia-i20-r5,83615

[dimviii]

https://www.ph-sport.com/en/2018/03/the-citroen-c3-r5-to-make-its-debut-in-the-tour-de-corse/

[Andre Oliveira]

New Hyundai i20 R5 in Polish rally championship. The driver is Lukasz Byskiniewicz and the co-driver is the famous Maciej Wislawski. I think it will be a debut of this car in Poland.
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/byskiniewicz-potwierdzil-hyundaia-i20-r5,83615

Yes :) Chwist didn't runned in Poland yet.

[dimviii]

polo r5 video
https://youtu.be/ThGtQBqUALI

[Tom206wrc]

What are your predictions on the debut of the C3 R5 in Corsica?
Top of flop?


Yoann Bonato was completely delighted of the car when running at the rallye du Var last year and told he had many times in the top3 despite not driving at the max yet... ;)

[dimviii]

in few days we will know exactly how fast will be.
Lefebvre at asphalt against Kopecky will show very clear the potential of c3.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I'm just hope they didn't crash..

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[dimviii]

Stéphane Lefebvre
"After a long winter break, and a one-off appearance in France, I'm really looking forward to getting back on the WRC stages. It’s always exciting to compete for the first time in a new car where you have worked on a large part of the development! The C3 R5 is definitely well designed. I feel confident behind the wheel and I can't wait to get the opportunity to show it. I'm expecting it to be an almighty scrap at the front, but having done several days' testing in Corsica, we are certainly well prepared. I have another day of testing scheduled before the start, plus the shakedown, in which to fine-tune the final details."

http://media.citroenracing.com/en/c3-r5-enters-fray?idtok=1515dbbb5775

[Mirek]

+9 Hp for Fabia on Tour de Corse according to Hrabánek.

[Sulland]

Any "evojokers" for the Fiesta last months?

[Andre Oliveira]

For April 1st i don't know, last evo joker:

01.11.2017 32/13 ER MOTEUR /ENGINE

[Sulland]

If you bought a Fiesta R5 in 2013, and you kept it until today.

You have bought all upgrades/jokers from then till today, to keep a competitive car.
How much will a person like this have spent on upgrades in those years?

[Andre Oliveira]

What is the difference to all the other cars? Escort MK2, Talbot Sunbeam, and so on? People thinks that we seeing some expensive car upgrades... but guess what... it was like that since ever eheheh

[Sulland]

What is the difference to all the other cars?

None.
Was just interested in the sum, if someone know.
Also to see how it affects prices in the 2nd hand market, and what is said in ads on what upgrades the car for sale has included.

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta have a quite unique question that some people don't know or don't want know ;)

Full EVO2 not applied to old chassis, cause have chassis improvement.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

According from ERC, Luky will switch from Fiesta to Kalina R5..

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[dimviii]

According from ERC, Luky will switch from Fiesta to Kalina R5..

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probably Aprils fool

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

probably Aprils foolAs I thought..

Now waiting for Yaris R5 Aprils Fool joke..

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[Tarmop]

What joke can you make about it? Already/soon under construction.

[br21]

it's hard to tell how much exactly you need to pay to upgrade 2013 Fiesta to latest spec, as anyway during that long period of time you need to do engine rebuild, change some parts, etc, so then you rebuild it to newer spec, change parts for Joker ones, etc.
You can upgrade one of first Fiestas from 2013 to latest spec, Evo2 engine, all the Jokers, etc. Chassis is the same. Otherwise new homologation needed. I did some WRC rallies with one of the first cars with all the latest upgrades, so FIA scrutineering people think the same...

[RS]

Fabia R5 with engine upgrades, perhaps sounds slightly less lazy than before: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_yt9Kj-dI

[Sulland]

C3 is impressing on its first outing. Shows it is on par with the best R5s on asphalt. So was the DS3 when it came out.

Next test to see if the C3 is following the Fabia and Fiesta on gravel/snow as well. I hope it does, to get more diversity in car choice for the drivers that aims for podiums!

[pantealex]

VW for sure is faster than Skoda and same goes for NEW Fiesta.

[Mirek]

May I ask how do You know?

Besides that is there any publicly available schedule related to the new Fiesta R5?

[pantealex]

May I ask how do You know?

Besides that is there any publicly available schedule related to the new Fiesta R5?

You may, I don´t know and those who know won´t tell ;)

M-Sport are running out of old chassises, they have no other option than build new one...

[Andre Oliveira]

New Fiesta should appear in 2019 according one press article that i readed last month.

[RS]

It would be reasonable to expect the Polo to be at least as fast and possibly faster than the Fabia. After all it will have the same engine, and probably other parts but I guess VW will have been able to further optimise some stuff Skoda could not do just with jokers.

[Mirek]

Sure but on the other hand the Polo is really big for an R5 car. Its size and wheelbase might not be ideal.

[pantealex]

Sure but on the other hand the Polo is really big for an R5 car. Its size and wheelbase might not be ideal.

I´m not familiar with dimensions, so compared to C3 and new Fiesta, is POLO how much bigger car ?

[RS]

I´m not familiar with dimensions, so compared to C3 and new Fiesta, is POLO how much bigger car ?

It’s about the same size and wheelbase as the i20, wheelbase is around 10cm longer than the Fabia, 7cm longer than the new Fiesta.

[mousti]

Sure but on the other hand the Polo is really big for an R5 car. Its size and wheelbase might not be ideal.I already heard from an engineer of Skoda Motorsport that the chassis of the Polo will be the problem to be faster than the Fabia.

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[Sulland]

Are there big differences sizewise on the Mk7 and Mk8 Fiestas?
Not according to what I have found online, but the Mk8 might use a different platform, and therefor need a new homologation.
So more than the backlight being horisontal, instead of vertical :-)

[Francis44]

Are there big differences sizewise on the Mk7 and Mk8 Fiestas?
Not according to what I have found online, but the Mk8 might use a different platform, and therefor need a new homologation.
So more than the backlight being horisontal, instead of vertical :-)

Not 100% sure but I believe the new MK8 Fiesta uses exactly the same chassis as the MK7. The MK8 is supposed to be wider than the old one aswell, it looks just as wide as the Focus.

[Rally Power]

In the 2L WRC era, top rally cars had clear size variations but were, mostly, equally competitive (Impreza/206, Lancer/Corolla,…).

Probably, Skoda main advantage comes from having R5 as their main motorsport program; besides the standard costumer program, they compete with the Fabia as a works team, which hugely helps to boost the car development.

Btw, the next Fabia will use the current Polo platform.

PS: nice start of the C3; lets hope it'll be more successfull than the DS.

[Barreis]

any news about new proton r5? will that ever be homologated?

[Mirek]

In the 2L WRC era, top rally cars had clear size variations but were, mostly, equally competitive (Impreza/206, Lancer/Corolla,…).

We are many years farther now. The optimization of the design is much easier today and the amount of experience and data is enormous. The simple fact is that the size or wheelbase matter. Everyone knows that and that's why modern rallycars are nearly all of the same size - the optimum found after many years of development.

Of course it may not be crucial that the car is somewhat bigger (for rallies like Finland it can be even plus) but it can be an overall handicap. On the other hand with the S2000 we could see that even with some handicaps it was still possible to have the best car (Fabia S2000 being the only 5-door car of that time and rather high as well).

[m-ast]

any news about new proton r5? will that ever be homologated?

Last news were that will be homologated the 1st July

[dupanton]

We are many years farther now. The optimization of the design is much easier today and the amount of experience and data is enormous. The simple fact is that the size or wheelbase matter. Everyone knows that and that's why modern rallycars are nearly all of the same size - the optimum found after many years of development.

Of course it may not be crucial that the car is somewhat bigger (for rallies like Finland it can be even plus) but it can be an overall handicap. On the other hand with the S2000 we could see that even with some handicaps it was still possible to have the best car (Fabia S2000 being the only 5-door car of that time and rather high as well).

Isn't it so that a longer wheel base gives you more stability and a shorter wheel base makes the car more nimble?

[Mirek]

Yes, basically like that if other variables are +/- same (not a special case like Octavia WRC with large car on a small wheelbase which isn't nimble at all due to large overhangs).

[tommeke_B]

In the 2L WRC era, top rally cars had clear size variations but were, mostly, equally competitive (Impreza/206, Lancer/Corolla,…).

Probably, Skoda main advantage comes from having R5 as their main motorsport program; besides the standard costumer program, they compete with the Fabia as a works team, which hugely helps to boost the car development.

Btw, the next Fabia will use the current Polo platform.

PS: nice start of the C3; lets hope it'll be more successfull than the DS.

Those differences in dimensions were not that big actually. I remember the wheelbase of the Impreza WRC had a wheelbase of +-5cm longer than the 206 WRC. The differences in appearance/looks of the cars were bigger than they are now, for sure...

[RS]

Btw, the next Fabia will use the current Polo platform.

That doesn't necessarily mean it will have the same dimensions. New VAG platform architecture is much more variable (and even before this MQB architecture many Skoda models actually used different wheelbases to similar VW counterparts)

However Skoda tend to major on interior space so it's a good bet the next generation Fabia will have a longer wheelbase.

[Mirek]

Most likely Fabia IV will have same wheelbase as Polo/Ibiza, i.e. reasonably larger than current R5 car.

[Rally Power]

Those differences in dimensions were not that big actually. I remember the wheelbase of the Impreza WRC had a wheelbase of +-5cm longer than the 206 WRC. The differences in appearance/looks of the cars were bigger than they are now, for sure...

Quick check on Martin Holmes yearbooks: the 206 WB measured 2,468m, 4,2cm less than the Evo VI, 13,2cm less than the Evo VII, 5,2 cm less than any Impreza GD, 8,7cm less than the Xsara or less 14,7cm than the Focus MkI. The Corolla WB was 3cm shorter than the 206.

Instead of a max length, at the time there was a mandatory minimal 4m overall length; only Peugeot (and later Skoda) choose a B segment car, all the others used C cars. If a shorter WB was so vital, for sure other manus would easily, like Peugeot, sort a limited series of their B models with larger bumpers in order to pass the 4m.



That doesn't necessarily mean it will have the same dimensions.

True. Still the only B cars already using the new platform (Ibiza and Polo) have the same WB (2,564m).

[Mirek]

Quick check on Martin Holmes yearbooks: the 206 WB measured 2,468m, 4,2cm less than the Evo VI, 13,2cm less than the Evo VII, 5,2 cm less than any Impreza GD, 8,7cm less than the Xsara or less 14,7cm than the Focus MkI. The Corolla WB was 3cm shorter than the 206.

Different times, different technical rules (all active cars before 2006 for example), very different tyres and suspension and very different conditions for design optimization through simulations. I would say that today it's less about personal inventions of the designers and more about very systematic work.

[Andre Oliveira]

According rallye-magazin.de Polo GTI R5 will not be homologated in August. So, debut should be in Catalunya.

[Sulland]

So will all R5s have a version of this document, where the last joker it has installed is noted?
So are manufacturers and firms approved to install jokers issuing them?
Just so byuers know what to ask the seller to show as proof.

https://www.rfeda.es/documents/20185/734626/RD%20ASFALTO%202017%20Anexo%2012%20Declaraci%C3%B3 n%20Jokers%20Veh%C3%ADculos%20Gr%20R5 (https://www.rfeda.es/documents/20185/734626/RD%20ASFALTO%202017%20Anexo%2012%20Declaraci%C3%B3 n%20Jokers%20Veh%C3%ADculos%20Gr%20R5)

[Mirek]

It looks like it's nothing more than a declaration of what is installed in the particular car to be signed by the team during scrutineering.

[br21]

Quite similar list you need to fill on every WRC/ERC event when you start with R5 car, they update it then in their system and control. Next rally you can't start with older spec than it's noted in gold book.
That Spanish list is nice, but not actual.

[Sulland]

Looks like VW will delay homologation, they will not have time to reach timelines to get it ready for August 1.
This according to Sven Smets talking to Rallye Magazine. They need more testing to be certain it is good enough on both surfaces.

[Andre Oliveira]

3rd C3 R5 to José Pedro Fontes, 4th to Simone Tempestini. After that, Citroën will focus on spare parts and back to cars production after.

in Sportmotores.com

[mousti]

Mid June will be already the debut of the C3 in Belgium at Wervik.

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[MartijnS]

Peter Bijvelds bought a Fiesta R5. Drove his last rally in 2009, but was always really fast in his Mitsubishi's. Curious to see what he's going to do!
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/105-peter-bijvelds/

[Jarek Z]

Wow! Peter Bijvelds! He used to be a super fast driver. Good luck to him!

[Antreas]

No ERC and no WRC2 for Kajto??what happen with him?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mirage R5e in development...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135876/electric-mitsubishi-rally-car-being-developed

[Mirek]

Mirage R5e in development...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135876/electric-mitsubishi-rally-car-being-developed

Wouldn't it be better to make the R5 competitive instead of developing a variant for non-existing rules?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Wouldn't it be better to make the R5 competitive instead of developing a variant for non-existing rules?To getting Mitsubishi's blessing, I guess..

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[Mirek]

But blessing for what? No rules for electric R5 cars exist.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mitsu wont approve the current R5, so it doesnt have much future.

An electric R5 may promote their electric road car technology so may get approval.

New rules and an e-series are probably inevitable in the near future.

[Rally Hokkaido]

any news about new proton r5? will that ever be homologated?

Service Park talk at last weekend's APRC Rally of Whangarei (NZ) was that the Proton works team would return to APRC this year, possibly as early as next round, which is beginning of June. Personally, I doubt that timing as its homologation will not be completed by then.

[Mirek]

An electric R5 may promote their electric road car technology so may get approval.

I'm going to repeat my question. Approval for what exactly?

[dimviii]

@planetemarcus

#WRC @BenVeillas confirms today on his personal instagram that Eric Camilli and him testing in gravel new Polo R5 in South of France http://bit.ly/2tR6ZU0

[dimviii]

Kalle Rovanperä | Jonne Halttunen tarmac testing Skoda Fabia R5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuyx1ck3oSw

[Francis44]

Mitsu wont approve the current R5, so it doesnt have much future.

An electric R5 may promote their electric road car technology so may get approval.

New rules and an e-series are probably inevitable in the near future.

Any electrification of this sport in the foreseeable future will 100% sure consist on Hybrid powertrains, so a bit pointless to invest in a full EV rally car.

This is just an attempt from a dying project to get some headlines, unfortunately.

[Sulland]

Is the Proton still planned to be homologated in July?

Can we expect to see the Polo driven in anger in a local rally before it will get the official approval?

I also find it strange that Mitsubishi do not see a potential to get represented in Rally again, almost for free. If they feel that it is not fast enough, I guess that MPart would appreciate help to improve it from Mitsubishi Motorsport.

Are there more cars that are in the pipeline?

[Mirek]

Current Mitsubishi marketing is based on environmental friendly vehicles. Traditional motorsport simply doesn't fit the strategy.

[RS]

Kalle Rovanperä | Jonne Halttunen tarmac testing Skoda Fabia R5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuyx1ck3oSw

Do we know what for?

[Mirek]

Kalle Rovanperä | Jonne Halttunen tarmac testing Skoda Fabia R5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuyx1ck3oSw

in my eyes this is very good asphalt driving.

[JUF]

Do we know what for?
Probably for the third round of the German Championship, the Sachsen Rallye.

[m-ast]

Are there more cars that are in the pipeline?

The Opel Corsa but it seem Opel(better say PSA) doesn't want it

[Essaj]

in my eyes this is very good asphalt driving.

What else do you expect from him :) But to be fair, last year he drove in Italy which to him was a really good and valuable learning year. He had to drive with Peugeot against one of the toughest national fields in tarmac rallying and later on the season his times were getting really competive. Now he is driving in a lot better car, which he already knows very well so I'm expecting really good times from him on tarmac aswell.


Probably for the third round of the German Championship, the Sachsen Rallye.

That seems to be it, could also mean that he has a change to do WRC round there also?

[Jarek Z]

Kalle Rovanperä | Jonne Halttunen tarmac testing Skoda Fabia R5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuyx1ck3oSw

This video was shot in Poland on the famous Kamionki stage. This stage was used in the Rally of Poland some 10 years ago and in hillclimbing events later.

In the interview at http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/rovanpera-chce-byc-na-szczycie,84723 Rovanpera said he was preparing for Sachsen Rallye.

[Jarek Z]

No ERC and no WRC2 for Kajto??what happen with him?

On today's press conference in Warsaw Kajto revealed that he is going to compete in WRC2. He is still going to drive Ford Fiesta R5 from M-Sport Polska as Lotos Rally Team driver. First rally - Sardinia.

More details at http://kajto.pl/en/news/kajetan-kajetanowicz-takes-part-in-wrc/

http://kajto.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/001-1.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm going to repeat my question. Approval for what exactly?

Repeat mine...




New rules and an e-series are probably inevitable in the near future.

[Francis44]

Repeat mine...


Much better to invest instead in a Hybrid car then, the Outlander PHEV is doing well, I think even Jean Todt tried to say between the lines the next set of regulations will be based on some kind of hybrid powertrain, why go for full electric?

[Mirek]

What else do you expect from him :) But to be fair, last year he drove in Italy which to him was a really good and valuable learning year. He had to drive with Peugeot against one of the toughest national fields in tarmac rallying and later on the season his times were getting really competive. Now he is driving in a lot better car, which he already knows very well so I'm expecting really good times from him on tarmac aswell.

Actually quite large percentage of rally drivers don't have a clue what proper asphalt driving means and they try to compensate the lack of skills by aggressive and risky driving.

[Mirek]

Repeat mine...

But that's not an answer to my question. Just tell me what shall be the subject of Mitsubishi's approval. It's simple and genuine question.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But that's not an answer to my question. Just tell me what shall be the subject of Mitsubishi's approval. It's simple and genuine question.

We arent talking about approval right now, but if/when the new series is announced.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Much better to invest instead in a Hybrid car then, the Outlander PHEV is doing well, I think even Jean Todt tried to say between the lines the next set of regulations will be based on some kind of hybrid powertrain, why go for full electric?

Fair point. Hybrid would make more sense.

[Mirek]

We arent talking about approval right now, but if/when the new series is announced.

You keep talking about some approval but any approval must have a subject. When You approve something You need to know what is that something. What is that something to approve here? I am sorry but am I so hard to understand?

Do You mean that making an EV R5 car now shall help the Swedes to get a homologation approval from Mitsubishi if in ten years FIA decides to create electric R5 car class?

Or do You mean that they shall approve a certain sort of support to the project already now?

Or do You mean they shall approve a support of non-FIA series for electric cars?

Or do You mean they shall approve something completely different?

[Sulland]

You keep talking about some approval but any approval must have a subject. When You approve something You need to know what is that something. What is that something to approve here? I am sorry but am I so hard to understand?

Do You mean that making an EV R5 car now shall help the Swedes to get a homologation approval from Mitsubishi if in ten years FIA decides to create electric R5 car class?

Or do You mean that they shall approve a certain sort of support to the project already now?

Or do You mean they shall approve a support of non-FIA series for electric cars?

Or do You mean they shall approve something completely different?

from what I Have heard it is Rallycross that is first out with an ZE class.
boring but true. I have tried to watch Formula e, but find it boring. Much because of lack of rev-sound.

[Rally Power]

Why all the fuss? These eRally protos (from the Hybrid C4 to this Mirage) are nothing more than tech exercises made to capture the media interest.

Maybe some of their features will be retained in future regs, maybe not, meanwhile they gave a lot of free publicity to their makers, as nowadays any news about EVs gets immediate worldwide coverage…

[Sulland]

The Opel Corsa but it seem Opel(better say PSA) doesn't want it

Has Holzer gotten the Corsa nationally homologated in Germany?
Would be a good testbed for potential FIA homologation?

[the sniper]

Has Holzer gotten the Corsa nationally homologated in Germany?
Would be a good testbed for potential FIA homologation?

I've been wondering, has Holzer done anything with their Corsa beyond the filming days they did last and showing it on static display at a few events last year? I've haven't seen anything of any actual further testing. Did they give up after Opel showed no interest and/or got sold to PSA?

[Mirek]

PSA clearly said no unless Opel starts to generate profit. That's it.

[Jarek Z]

Mirage R5e in development...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135876/electric-mitsubishi-rally-car-being-developed

In the meantime 3 "normal" Mitsubishis R5 are going to compete in South Swedish Rally. You can find them on the entry list under Class 3:
https://www.resultatservice.com/resserv/v2/tvlinfo/ShowEntrants.jsp?RaceNbr=2018004

[dimviii]

#WRC Today VW tested new Polo R5 in German vineyards on tarmac
@ellatochrome

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/994979964264112129

https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/status/995004202190589953

[mousti]

https://youtu.be/xsP2k6461LU

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[RS]

Skoda are closing their Fabia R5 twitter account and redirecting people to @MotorsportSkoda instead.. may or may not be something to read into that.

[Rallyper]

PSA clearly said no unless Opel starts to generate profit. That's it.

Or maybe they start generate profit after start producing competitive rallycars, competing in WRC2 and ERC. Like other manufacturers, showing your sportive brand to the market.

In some cases one might ask, which came first, profit or engagement in rallying?, so to speak.

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/995212136627490816

@MadsOstberg

New adventure with @CitroenRacing today. Excited to test the new C3 R5 @OfficialWRC #Portugal #test #fightingviking

[Mirek]

Skoda are closing their Fabia R5 twitter account and redirecting people to @MotorsportSkoda instead.. may or may not be something to read into that.

Nobody said it loud and there is no 100% proof but there are far too many indirect signs that they are working on WRC return in 2020.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Nobody said it loud and there is no 100% proof but there are far too many indirect signs that they are working on WRC return in 2020.

If this is true I hope that Kopecky gets a seat in the team. He would deserve it, after this long time with the team.

[TheFlyingTuga]

If this is true I hope that Kopecky gets a seat in the team. He would deserve it, after this long time with the team.

Probably a test driver. Jan it's a really good driver, but it's a bit old as of now, let alone in 2020

[liposh]

Skoda WRC factory guys would most probably do all WRC rounds recces during 2019 (in case of 2020 WRC comeback) so we will see quite soon who it is gonna be.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbJFvQIXkAAm1Ng.jpg:large

[Mirek]

Sorry for off topic but the WRC (if it comes) is going to be based on a not yet introduced stock car.

[pantealex]

Sorry for off topic but the WRC (if it comes) is going to be based on a not yet introduced stock car.

and current Fabia is only available 5-doors version, still all photoshops are always 3-doors...

[Mirek]

I haven't noticed that at all :) I'm quite sure that no 3D is about to come.

[RS]

I would expect an announcement from Skoda before the end of the year and testing to begin pretty soon after.

I guess we will see chosen or potential 2020 drivers in Polos next year.

Re: Kopecky I doubt they would give him a full season in a World Rally Car, but I could well imagine him testing and at least asphalt rounds.

[dimviii]

Mads with c3 r5
https://youtu.be/X3SGl5iBzSM

[Andre Oliveira]

Fontes' C3

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32350194_1707879685974717_5256352165651283968_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=029422fd411347aa004d6d34166ae2fa&oe=5B7D613C

[dimviii]

Rubén Otero

Mads Ostberg, Stéphane Lefebvre and Spaniard Pepe López have been in charge of tasting the Citroën C3 R5 in the Portuguese sections. So did José Pedro Fontes, though with his own unit. #WRC

[Sulland]

Mads with c3 r5
https://youtu.be/X3SGl5iBzSM

This looked quick, if videospeed is normal.
Østberg will soon come with a concrete plan on WRC and R5 rounds he will do in 2018.
R5 will be WRC, ERC and Norwegian Championship rallies, he said to parcferme.no

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/test_vw_polo_r5_volkswagen_motorsport_2018/gti_448a1137.jpg

plenty of photos here
https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/50548-test-vw-polo-r5-volkswagen-motorsport-2018/260/

[Mirek]

SRT took 200th private Fabia R5: http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_ab14dce2b234be8119885c5f05fe866d.jpg

[pantealex]

SRT took 200th private Fabia R5: http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_ab14dce2b234be8119885c5f05fe866d.jpg

They have sold 200 ?

How many have they built (200 + factory + some else)

[Mirek]

Yes, 200 sold. How many more built I don't know.

[Andre Oliveira]

Last one we know on eWRC is 226: https://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo/58-skoda-fabia-r5/?car=3579

+ 30 shells of reshell

[Sulland]

C3 team @ Citroen can be proud, the car is competitive on both surfaces!

Sales will blossom, and we have one more car that will fight for victories.
Good for the sport!

[Mirek]

Is it? Tidemand is going in circles around Lefebvre when he has all four tyres. It's for sure better than DS3 but I would wait a little bit with cheering.

[dodge33cymru]

Is it? Tidemand is going in circles around Lefebvre when he has all four tyres. It's for sure better than DS3 but I would wait a little bit with cheering.Was thinking the same, although it wouldn't surprise me if Tidemand went in circles around Lefebvre if they were in the same car...

[TheFlyingTuga]

Is it? Tidemand is going in circles around Lefebvre when he has all four tyres. It's for sure better than DS3 but I would wait a little bit with cheering.

And José Pedro Fontes car broke even before the rally started...

[RS]

Is it? Tidemand is going in circles around Lefebvre when he has all four tyres. It's for sure better than DS3 but I would wait a little bit with cheering.

It seemed that way, but like I said in the WRC2 thread I wouldn’t want to draw conclusions. After Tidemand got his punctures, maybe Lefebvre wasn’t pushing 100%, and then he got his own punctures too.

[Sulland]

Will be cool to see Pontus and Mads in C3 R5 go head to head in a gravel rally.
They are at comparable levels as drivers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Britishrallymedia
Since posting our images and videos of the Iriz R5 test, it seems half of Malaysia has been on our pages. They’re definitely passionate about their Motorsport! https://t.co/PKPqfVjWOz

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice article about the making of Chris Ingram's Śkoda R5:
https://www.carfinance247.co.uk/blogpost/316/super-skoda--how-chris-ingram-s-fabia-r5-rally-car-is-created

[the sniper]

Nice article about the making of Chris Ingram's Śkoda R5:
https://www.carfinance247.co.uk/blogpost/316/super-skoda--how-chris-ingram-s-fabia-r5-rally-car-is-created

I thought the BHP is around or nudging 310 now, at least on the works cars? Is 271 the official figure Skoda put out, for some reason?

[TheFlyingTuga]

I thought the BHP is around or nudging 310 now, at least on the works cars? Is 271 the official figure Skoda put out, for some reason?

All the R5 cars are around the 280bhp figures. I guess that is what they expect us to believe. br21 should know even better, but I think that all of them are in the +315bhp range. I known that the Hyundai it's the one with the more horses per example

[Mirek]

I think all current R5 cars are between 300 and 320 Hp. Official numbers are always BS.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Britishrallymedia
Since posting our images and videos of the Iriz R5 test, it seems half of Malaysia has been on our pages. They’re definitely passionate about their Motorsport! https://t.co/PKPqfVjWOz

Iriz R5 test video: https://youtu.be/4hy6ia7qO60

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Keith Cronin: First introduction to the new Hyundai i20 today . Testing today and fine tuning the set up in The Circuit of Munster tomorrow in Newcastlewest .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Derpa2FX4AAoxRB.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Derpa2BXkAAyrkd.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Derpa2DWsAQ0hj5.jpg

[dimviii]

Breen testing c3 r5
https://twitter.com/Craig_Breen/status/1003260735244423170

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ballylickey’s Keith Cronin debuts new Hyundai i20 R5 to victory in Circuit of Munster Rally - a minute and 55 seconds ahead of the Fiesta R5 of his brother Daniel. #rallynews #limerick #west cork #rally https://t.co/N1Yj1oLQG1

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/FinChef1/status/1003901634886414336

Camilli testing the Polo in Finland

[pantealex]

https://twitter.com/FinChef1/status/1003901634886414336

Camilli testing the Polo in Finland

Ouninpohja stage.

[dimviii]

plenty photos from Camillis test with polo r5
https://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Eric+Camilli+Volkswagen+Polo+R5+Testit+5.6.2018/

[Sulland]

Any news on the Polo homologation date?
What about the Iriz, will it be August homologation for that one?

Any news if Toyota has started on their R5 project?

Wery soon after these two are launched we will pass 500 R5 in the market. Not bad in 5 years!

[mousti]

500 should be already achieved. Ford and Skoda have already 200 chassis made. With Peugeot Citroën and Hyundai that number should be no problem then.

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[Jarek Z]

Yeah, I'm almost sure I read somewhere that Fiesta #250 and Fabia #200 have already been built.

[pantealex]

Yeah, I'm almost sure I read somewhere that Fiesta #250 and Fabia #200 have already been built.

Sold, not built. They have builded more than those customer cars...

[Mirek]

Yes, I think that only Škoda and M-sport alone built around 500 R5 cars. I dont know how many Peugeots and Citroëns but likely around 100. Some 20-30 Hyundais. Altogether it shall be 600+ cars.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford ~ 270
Škoda ~ 230

https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/r5/

[dimviii]

Camilli testing polo r5
https://youtu.be/U3NlR5XpDjk

[RS]

Pontus testing Polo this week too.

[pantealex]

Pontus testing Polo this week too.

Today it was Pontus driving

[Hartusvuori]

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1004749818009411585

Effortless and deadpan. It sure looks fast, but does it look good?

[RS]

Flies and lands nice.

[Mirek]

Nice to see that the C3 is competitive on gravel.

[Jarek Z]

Nice to see that the C3 is competitive on gravel.

But Lefebvre is already out with damaged suspension. Skoda is going to win again ;)

[Mirek]

Yes because You can not beat an army with one guy (moreover a guy who rarely gets into the finish).

[TWRC]

Looks like Bonato had to retire as well with a mechanical problem yesterday. Hopefully this won't be the norm for the C3...

[RS]

Looks like Bonato had to retire as well with a mechanical problem yesterday. Hopefully this won't be the norm for the C3...

I didn't think it had suffered many technical problems yet? Most retirements due to driver errors.

[TWRC]

I didn't think it had suffered many technical problems yet? Most retirements due to driver errors.
Yes, not many technical problems so far, I meant that hopefully it will stay that way. ;)
There were some problems, like Fontes electrical problem before Portugal, and I couldn't find anything why Tempestini retired in Sardinia. But generally the car looks to be good.

[dimviii]

But generally the car looks to be good.

+1

[RS]

Anyone know why Loubet retired after SS20 in Sardinia? Another technical problem?

[Mirek]

...and I couldn't find anything why Tempestini retired in Sardinia. But generally the car looks to be good.

Tempestini crashed.

[Kalm]

Tempestini crashed.

Photo by Timo Anis :

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34821051_1723380247741870_7686442535719272448_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHQL9QWzL4CQYh1SOM4Go6SdzG0EGzsq41aJzI0V Uoc8kfFQMPU1EhqJQy0DKmbOEgug7b3_tnln4nmsIizUZzSPPn k3hBixIb1vrjfGgq3wA&oh=1b4200a761954f901ad06a58fe114e97&oe=5BB8F85E

[Mirek]

I just walked through Ypres service park and I noticed that there are likely Reiger dampers on the C3. It's for sure looking way better than DS3 on stages. It looks very stable.

[AMSS]

I just walked through Ypres service park and I noticed that there are likely Reiger dampers on the C3. It's for sure looking way better than DS3 on stages. It looks very stable.

Yes C3 has Reiger as damper supplier.

[br21]

Yes, it's on Reiger and much better than DS3, but still basic dampers are not ideal for really bumpy tarmac, shimming is OK for smooth French tarmac. But for sure car has potential!

[dupanton]

Car seemed really stable when coming out of the cuts. Better then Fabia even.

[Mirek]

On the other hand Hyundai... well, it didn't look stable at all. Great job by Neuville to keep in on the road driving like that. It was very spectacular though.

[mousti]

But it showed reliability after some good results of Bouffier and now Ypres with Neuville. In the beginning there were quite some isseus :).

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[RS]

But it showed reliability after some good results of Bouffier and now Ypres with Neuville. In the beginning there were quite some isseus :).

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Also recently.. I think Loubet has had some kind of problem on every event he’s done this year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cronin was also able to set some good times in the i20 R5 in Ypres, despite little seat time. His car was also very reliable, surprising more so than the venerable Fiesta R5 of Edwards...

[Mirek]

Also recently.. I think Loubet has had some kind of problem on every event he’s done this year.

Neuville drove Loubet's usual car by the way ;)


Cronin was also able to set some good times in the i20 R5 in Ypres, despite little seat time. His car was also very reliable, surprising more so than the venerable Fiesta R5 of Edwards...

You can't make statistics out of one sample.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You can't make statistics out of one sample.

What statistics ? It was just an observation that the most reliable car can be unreliable and vice versa. And that the 'unstable' i20 was still fast on tarmac even with an unfamiliar driver.

[Sulland]

3rd C3 R5 to José Pedro Fontes, 4th to Simone Tempestini. After that, Citroën will focus on spare parts and back to cars production after.
in Sportmotores.com

When will they start pushing new cars out in the market again?
Do we know how many orders Citroen Sport have for the car?

[skarderud]

I'm quite sure of that 2 C3 R5 are heading to Norway, one for Mads Østberg for training and some rallies, one for Eyvind Brynhildsen for ERC. Eyvinds Fiesta R5 was for sale for a couple of weeks ago.


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[Rally Power]

One also expected in Spain. Some weeks ago Auto Laca boss admitted the return to the CERA entering a C3 for a young driver (probably Lopez).


Neuville drove Loubet's usual car by the way.

Yep, BRC car and service. It’s quite interesting to notice that BRC started some years ago in a limited way (only using their LPG systems) but they’ve steadily become a top team in rally and racing, with a strong connection to Hyundai. Well done!

[mousti]

There are some C3's ordered in Belgium aswell.

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[dupanton]

There are some C3's ordered in Belgium aswell.

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J-Motorport should receive their C3 (for Demaerschalk) in August.

[Andre Oliveira]

Debut on Portuguese tarmac

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg7WhagWkAELB6X?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.autosport.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/18jx1852.jpg

[Jarek Z]

DS3 looks better, the front part of C3 is just too weird! ;)

[Ucci]

DS3 looks better, the front part of C3 is just too weird! ;)

C3 is ugly like hell.....

[Jarek Z]

And the C3 loses not only a beauty contest, but also the sporting event itself.

Final results of RALI DE CASTELO BRANCO:
1. Ricardo Teodósio/José Teixeira (P) Skoda Fabia R5 1:14.02,0
2. José Pedro Fontes/Paulo Babo (P) Citroën C3 R5 +5,2
3. João Barros/António Costa (P) Ford Fiesta R5 +9,2
4. Armindo Araújo/Luís Ramalho (P) Hyundai i20 R5 +9,5
5. Miguel Barbosa/Hugo Magalhães (P) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.31,5
6. Pedro Meireles/Mário Castro (P) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.52,5
7. Pepe López/Borja Rozada (E) Citroën DS3 R5 +2.58,1
8. Pedro Antunes/Paulo Lopes (P) Peugeot 208 R2 +4.15,4
9. Manuel Castro/Ricardo Cunha (P) Hyundai i20 R5 +5.45,1
10. Roberto Blach/José Murado (E) Peugeot 208 R2 +7.12,0

[steve.mandzij]

C3 is ugly like hell.....It's too fat!

[Sulland]

The Proton Iriz should also be homologated by 1 august. So one more car awailable to customers.
Will be waiting to see how competitive that one is in international rallies!

[Rally Power]

And the C3 loses not only a beauty contest, but also the sporting event itself.

Fair to say that Fontes lost the lead during last loop due to a wrong tyre choice.

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes but Pepe Lopez was penalized with 3min after wrong route on SSS.

[TWRC]

Bonato had to retire due to mechanical problems before the first stage in Rouergue.

[dimviii]

Bonato had to retire due to mechanical problems before the first stage in Rouergue.

https://twitter.com/yoannbonato/status/1015133287583543296

[Mirek]

Bonato had to retire due to mechanical problems before the first stage in Rouergue.

That's great news for Bouffier...

[dimviii]

polo testing with Tidemand at Greece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7bqjhRYG14&list=PLCzUhQitDup33hImcp-kOrWyo7oNDu2n_

[Zeakiwi]

polo testing with Tidemand at Greece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7bqjhRYG14&list=PLCzUhQitDup33hImcp-kOrWyo7oNDu2n_

Corner rotation on gravel look good for the vw r5. Is that brakes, steering and weight balance?

[dimviii]

another vdeo with polo r5 at Greece
https://youtu.be/fpnXZpNXZtA

[bomber21]

another vdeo with polo r5 at Greece
https://youtu.be/fpnXZpNXZtA

How come? We have not seen any teams testing in our country for long I think...

[Zeakiwi]

Latvala and the Polo WRC won the last Acropolis WRC. VW team would have the data, experience to see what a pounding the car got from the event to know Greece is a worthwhile test location to test parts to the maximum in the heat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acropolis_Rally

[the sniper]

How come? We have not seen any teams testing in our country for long I think...

Skoda have tested the Fabia fairly regularly in Greece, google "Skoda R5 test Greece". Most recent was seemingly August 2017.

[dimviii]

In March, Skoda introduced the revised Fabia. Above all, the new front catches the eye, which has been adapted to the current design language of the brand. About twelve months later, the R5 version is adjusted accordingly, but most changes are under the sheet metal dress.
For some time the improvements of Skoda Motorsport are intensively tested - currently in Germany. It is not just about a completely new powertrain, which should be significantly lighter, a completely redesigned safety cage provides the basis for the new Fabia R5. In addition, a new chassis kinematics to provide even more travel in the class leader.

With these measures Skoda wants to maintain its supremacy on the lucrative R5 market. In autumn, Volkswagen is planning to introduce the Polo R5, based on the new and larger Group platform ("MQB-A0"), which, however, has disadvantages compared to its predecessor in motorsport. Skoda will use this only in the next generation of the Fabia, until then, the Czechs have all the trumps in their hands and want to use them.

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/d/2018/07/10/so-reagiert-skoda-auf-den-polo-r5/

[RS]

I thought Skoda already introduced an upgraded engine in Corsica? Are these more changes they are talking about?

[the sniper]

Apologies for the rubbish quality and angle here, I was just strolling about and only just arrived at this spot, but I've just watched Oliver Mellors roll the R5 Proton on the Goodwood Festival rally stage. Slow speed, both him and passenger seemed physically fine.

https://youtu.be/cytxMA02phM
https://youtu.be/dsdOJb0DGmY

[Mirek]

I thought Skoda already introduced an upgraded engine in Corsica? Are these more changes they are talking about?

I think that it is going to be a completely new car (with a new homologation number).

[RS]

I think that it is going to be a completely new car (with a new homologation number).

So if I understand the article correctly this will debut next March?

And they are allowed to do this because changes to the road car (facelift) means they can pretend it’s a different car?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Proton Iriz R5 driven by Ollie Mellors at Goodwood. I'm not 100% but last I saw he was fastest on the rally stage, beating the earlier times of Evans & Ostberg.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh_PiFsW4AIGdW8.jpg

[dimviii]

Camilli testing at Italian asphalt the polo r5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=8jIrCz6UNqU

[Mirek]

Have You noticed that the car has finally clearly different sound than Fabia?

Anyway it looks good on the video.

Is it Rally Sanremo stage?

[dimviii]

yeap car looks good(also at other videos we ve seen), even the video is playing a bit faster.

[the sniper]

yeap car looks good(also at other videos we ve seen), even the video is playing a bit faster.

I find that if you play it in 480p you get the natural speed. With anything in 720p or 1080p with either 50 or 60 fps indicated, the payback speed isn't represented accurately by my PC or (relatively high end) phone, it's always too fast. Normal 720p or 1080p are fine though.

[Sulland]

Proton Iriz R5 driven by Ollie Mellors at Goodwood. I'm not 100% but last I saw he was fastest on the rally stage, beating the earlier times of Evans & Ostberg.


Will the car be homologated 1 August, or is it further delayed?
Do they have any orders on it yet?

[Mirek]

I find that if you play it in 480p you get the natural speed. With anything in 720p or 1080p with either 50 or 60 fps indicated, the payback speed isn't represented accurately by my PC or (relatively high end) phone, it's always too fast. Normal 720p or 1080p are fine though.

I noticed that with some other videos as well. I don't understand the technical aspects of that though.

[pantealex]

Remember that in the past Mitsubishi used same bodywork in 3 different homologation numbers:
Evo, II and III all have same body
IV, V and VI also all have same body
VII, VIII and IX also share same body

so for sure can Skoda also make new R5 to same bodywork, old one is for sure old enough.

[Mirek]

I think that the same can be said aboout Focus WRC 99-02 and 03-05. Also Lancer WRC step 1-2 and 04-07.

[Barreis]

I think that the same can be said aboout Focus WRC 99-02 and 03-05. Also Lancer WRC step 1-2 and 04-07.

didn't know that 2007 homologation saw the light. i heard that they wanted to homologate some stuff when Al-Quasimi wanted to rent the car but didn't know that they really did it

[RS]

Remember that in the past Mitsubishi used same bodywork in 3 different homologation numbers:
Evo, II and III all have same body
IV, V and VI also all have same body
VII, VIII and IX also share same body

so for sure can Skoda also make new R5 to same bodywork, old one is for sure old enough.

That's an interesting point, but why for example did PSA not do this with the 208/DS3 R5 disaster?

[TWRC]

didn't know that 2007 homologation saw the light. i heard that they wanted to homologate some stuff when Al-Quasimi wanted to rent the car but didn't know that they really did it
They did, and claimed that the new parts made the car faster by 0.5-0.8s/km IIRC.

[Rally Power]

Basso will run Rally Vinho da Madeira at the wheel of an i20 entered by Hyundai Portugal (probably Vieira rebuilt unit).

[dimviii]

Pontus Tidemand

In Greece with @MotorsportSkoda for yet another test Hot temperatures, dust in the air, some muddy sections and a few fun challenges on the roads. Really enjoying days like these while preserving the competitive speed!

https://twitter.com/PontusTidemand/status/1024336437116891137

[RS]

Pontus Tidemand

In Greece with @MotorsportSkoda for yet another test Hot temperatures, dust in the air, some muddy sections and a few fun challenges on the roads. Really enjoying days like these while preserving the competitive speed!

https://twitter.com/PontusTidemand/status/1024336437116891137

New Fabia (facelift)

[TheFlyingTuga]

New Fabia (facelift)

The front seems so, but the rear lights are the same as the version that we new!

[RS]

The front seems so, but the rear lights are the same as the version that we new!

Old rear lights probably fit the same hole as the new ones whereas front end is more different to the current version. Perhaps they just modified an existing test car?

[Sulland]

No Proton homologation, or can it happen in August?

[Mirek]

Fabia R5 Evo testing in Greece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkNKe2RShks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09wVMHbH_8

At least Tidemand and Kopecký were present in Greece. I don't know who is driving on the video.

[atsiotras79]

Kalle drove too.

[dimviii]

Kalle drove too.

Tasos were you present at tests?

[atsiotras79]

Tasos were you present at tests?
No.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

‏@eWRCresults
New machine of Melvyn Evans Motorsport: Hyundai i20 R5, unknown chassis yet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGej8JW4AIqNmK.jpg

[RS]

Nordgren tarmac test new Fabia: https://youtu.be/u3JfmslFVvs

[Sulland]

When is the next batch of C3 R5 going out to customers?

The more cars, the more feedback they get!

[pantealex]

When is the next batch of C3 R5 going out to customers?

The more cars, the more feedback they get!

Customers ?
Is there any ?
C3 seems to be slower in gravel than Fabia/Fiesta and Polo is coming, why would you buy it ?

[Mirek]

By the way Hrabánek officially confirmed that some major improvements of Fabia R5 are coming together with the facelifted body. He also said that based on the agreement with FIA no major changes in R5 rules are about to come and they want to develop and produce R5 cars for at least several more years.

[Rally Power]

C3 seems to be slower in gravel than Fabia/Fiesta and Polo is coming, why would you buy it ?

Actually the car was at the pace in Portugal and Italy but with an inconsistent driver like Lefebvre or a slow one like Tempestini it’s hard to succeed. Besides, Citroen and PHSport (that runs the cars) have been unable to solve some minor tech issues, helping to raise doubts over the car reliability. All together, not the ideal start for the C3.

[Sulland]

I have read that Mads Østberg + one more norwegian would like to buy one each.

I hope Citroen let Mads drive one in Spain, so more good drivers get to try it out and give feedback.
Mads has R5 experience from DS3 and Fiesta. The Ds3 was difficult to drive fast with on gravel, the C3 looks better. But remain to be seen, they need a quick gravel driver to drive it in anger!

[Jarek Z]

Maybe someone will find it interesting. Hungarian team LPWM Sport, who already own one Hyundai i20 R5, are planning to buy two such cars in 2019:
More at https://www.fiaerc.com/lpwm-sport-reveals-big-erc-ambitions/

[Rally Power]

Off topic but good news to all interested on national series info: the forum bottom pages are finally fixed! Thanks administration!

[RS]

Another test of new Fabia, driver doesn't seem to be pushing very hard but the car sounds a bit raspier to my ears:

https://youtu.be/pxbW-iNx2fk

[Hartusvuori]

https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/1034340202263838722

Polo R5 testing problems...

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/1034340202263838722

Polo R5 testing problems...
ok they used pirellis for very raw gravel,although road at photo doesnt seem so rough,but again this is something we havent see again.

[Hartusvuori]

ok they used pirellis for very raw gravel,although road at photo doesnt seem so rough,but again this is something we havent see again.

To me this comment sounded as if a beautiful woman would suddenly take of her bra in front of you, you'd say "hmm... I thought you used to have Victoria's Secret's on you." ;-)

[Mirek]

https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/1034340202263838722

Polo R5 testing problems...

How the hell can this happen? :D

[Essaj]

Other manufacturers must be smiling after seeing those photos :D What a marketing nightmare for VW R5

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Other manufacturers must be smiling after seeing those photos :D What a marketing nightmare for VW R5"Sorry VW. Looks like we'll stick with the Fabia instead."

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[dupanton]

Really curious what happened there. Did they go off and ripped the rear wheels off (would still be a lot of damage) or did it "just fall off"

[AMSS]

Really curious what happened there. Did they go off and ripped the rear wheels off (would still be a lot of damage) or did it "just fall off"

The most logic explanation would be they had changed something in the service and forgot to tighten it properly or left bolts out or similar, but who knows...