Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Mirek]

They tested yesterday on stage Biskupice of Barum rally (not run this year).

[AndyRAC]

I think the only 3 BRC1 cars confirmed so far are Fiestas. Not sure if anyone has a list. The BRC section of the forum is dead.

Andre - maybe you already know but the car used by Katjo in Barum will go to Rhys Yates in the BRC next year.

I think people expecting 15-20 R5's in the BRC are going to be disappointed...... though I hope I'm wrong.

[Andre Oliveira]

R5 could be used like R5+ outside BRC. Same with WRC/RRC. Ford have multiple options. Drivers and teams like :)

[Luis Pacheco]

koda Fabia R5's suspension in action on gravel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcstxv3SpP0

[dimviii]

today as i was coming back from a trip i saw Krestas racing and H racing truck near Athens at a rest.They had Tarabus and Lukyanuk cars as and a mitsubishi evo recce car at a trailer.
One guy from the crew told me that there are high possibilities to see Lukyanuk at Acropolis.
They plan to reach Cyprus at Monday morning.

[Rally Power]

I think people expecting 15-20 R5's in the BRC are going to be disappointed...... though I hope I'm wrong.

Hope you're wrong...BRC was one of the most prestigious national championships, and this move to 4wd machines seems to be the right step to give it back the lost notoriety! Besides the numerous Fiesta entries perhaps Pug, Citro and Skoda importers can get involved.

[PLuto]

Hope you're wrong...BRC was one of the most prestigious national championships, and this move to 4wd machines seems to be the right step to give it back the lost notoriety! Besides the numerous Fiesta entries perhaps Pug, Citro and Skoda importers can get involved.

BRC was good championship. But they have killed it by stupid rules...

[Andre Oliveira]

Agree with Pluto.

More, rallies are suffering this. Stupid rules over the planet

[PLuto]

But in UK they were really superb with their experiments...

[Jarek Z]

The first victory of Skada Fabia R5 in Poland. Grzegorz Grzyb wins Rally Nadwislanski:
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/gallery/picture/id/1442840911/?i=91

[Andre Oliveira]

Portugal :)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rali_de_mortagua_2015/pfi_1.jpg

[WUff1]

Portugal :)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rali_de_mortagua_2015/pfi_1.jpg

Did they went for a drink together? ;-)

[TheFlyingTuga]

Same team, and the cars all bellong to the same family! The scuteneering was across the street :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rhys Yates car for 2016 BRC :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPaPAGOWsAAOniF.jpg:large

Alex Laffey's car - possible BRC entry for next year ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPLd5aTXAAA02bH.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Laffey have this car for some time :)

Yates is ex Kajto car.

[RhysCad]

I can think of a few cars eligable for the BRC, Johnny Greer has Citroen DS3 R5 ( he will be at the Cambrian Rally this year as well). Euan Thorburn has a Ford Fiesta S2000, David Bogie and Stephen Petch both have Ford Fiesta R5's.

[itix]

A nice video from South Swedish Rally, with some Mirage R5 action.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOzFPb0Sxo
Kinda happy that Johansson managed to put his 208 T16 back together after the massive crash in Estonia.

Shame he binned it again.

Also a big shame I couldn't attend neither that nor East sweden rally due to various reasons :(

[Andre Oliveira]

* Adolfsson ;)

[itix]

* Adolfsson ;)
Errrm yes right. I meant to write that *hides face in palms out of shame*

The only 208 T16 currently in sweden.

[vino_93]

Triviño --> DS3 R5 for 2016 (NACAM)

[Andre Oliveira]

And WRC2 :)

[TWRC]

Just watched some videos of the East Belgian Rally shakedown, and Cherain's DS3 R5 sounds very different, somewhere between the old and the WRC sound. Does anyone know if it's by accident, or is there some kind of a new part (exhaust, etc)?

[RICARDO75]

Lappi testing in Spain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPJ7xscjXbs&feature=em-uploademail

[Mirek]

There's hardly anything wrong on the video but it feels that it's so perfect that it's boring... at least for me.

[mousti]

Just watched some videos of the East Belgian Rally shakedown, and Cherain's DS3 R5 sounds very different, somewhere between the old and the WRC sound. Does anyone know if it's by accident, or is there some kind of a new part (exhaust, etc)?

He sounded different when the rear bumper went off.

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[Jarek Z]

Another rally for the Swedish Mistsubishi Mirage R5. Patrik Johansson was competing in this car on Rally Uppsala and was slower than... ERC3 star Emil Bergkvist in an old Opel Astra Kit Car :)

Jerker Axelsson (Subaru Impreza WRC) is 2015 Swedish rally champion.

RALLY UPPSALA
1. Jerker Axelsson/Mattias Andersson (S) Subaru Impreza WRC S10 53.23,6
2. Robin Friberg/Stefan Gustavsson (S) Citroën DS3 R5 +23,6
3. Mats Jonsson/Johnny Johansson (S) Ford Escort WRC +36,1
4. Patrik Åkerman/Lars Grip (S) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII +1.05,0
5. Thomas Thunström/Jörgen Lindahl (S) Citroën DS3 R5 +1.16,4
6. Emil Bergkvist/Joakim Sjöberg (S) Opel Astra Kit Car +1.16,6
7. Patrik Johansson/Jesper Johansson (S) Mitsubishi Mirage R5 +1.18,0
8. Leif Peterson/Toni Sundkvist (S) Toyota Corolla +1.26,3
9. Mattias Adielsson/Christoffer Bäck (S) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII +1.37,1
10. Tobias Söderqvist/Joakim Söderqvist (S) Toyota Corolla +1.38,3

[manthey]

Another rally for the Swedish Mistsubishi Mirage R5. Patrik Johansson was competing in this car on Rally Uppsala and was slower than... ERC3 star Emil Bergkvist in an old Opel Astra Kit Car :)

Jerker Axelsson (Subaru Impreza WRC) is 2015 Swedish rally champion.

RALLY UPPSALA
1. Jerker Axelsson/Mattias Andersson (S) Subaru Impreza WRC S10 53.23,6
2. Robin Friberg/Stefan Gustavsson (S) Citroën DS3 R5 +23,6
3. Mats Jonsson/Johnny Johansson (S) Ford Escort WRC +36,1
4. Patrik Åkerman/Lars Grip (S) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII +1.05,0
5. Thomas Thunström/Jörgen Lindahl (S) Citroën DS3 R5 +1.16,4
6. Emil Bergkvist/Joakim Sjöberg (S) Opel Astra Kit Car +1.16,6
7. Patrik Johansson/Jesper Johansson (S) Mitsubishi Mirage R5 +1.18,0
8. Leif Peterson/Toni Sundkvist (S) Toyota Corolla +1.26,3
9. Mattias Adielsson/Christoffer Bäck (S) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII +1.37,1
10. Tobias Söderqvist/Joakim Söderqvist (S) Toyota Corolla +1.38,3

I'm impressed by Bergkvist performance with an "old" car FWD vs R5&wrc 4wd...power is 250hp?

[Jarek Z]

I found some photos of the Mirage. It doesn't look very impressive...

https://scontent.fwaw3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11230715_1097226683628841_803741498706626635_n.jpg ?oh=ced18595aac6ae8599b30da69b6fd15b&oe=569BE694

http://www.emotorsport.se/special/press-patriksrallyteam15-01.jpg

[Jarek Z]

I'm impressed by Bergkvist performance with an "old" car FWD vs R5&wrc 4wd...power is 250hp?

I'm impressed too, especially after I found photos of Bergkvist's car. It is even older than I thought, it comes from the nineties!

http://www.emotorsport.se/foto/15-10-02_rallyuppsala_27.jpg

http://www.emotorsport.se/foto/15-10-02_rallyuppsala_28.jpg

http://www.emotorsport.se/foto/15-10-02_rallyuppsala_81.jpg

[Rally Power]

Another rally for the Swedish Mistsubishi Mirage R5. Patrik Johansson was competing in this car on Rally Uppsala and was slower than... ERC3 star Emil Bergkvist in an old Opel Astra Kit Car.

In previous events Johansson was able to match other R5 cars, maybe he got some problems in Uppsala.

The little Mirage seems more impressive in video...https://youtu.be/gcHGH-bct_4

[Rallyper]

However I think he had some top three times as well. Don´t remember what he said if he had some problems but I do think he had. Sound and speed looked good on SS1 though.

http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/resultat/tavling.jsp?tavling=811

[itix]

It definitely matched and beat WRC machinery when it did the Skillinge 500 past my parent's house! Although Skillinge 500 is not a championship event so you can't really expect the same kind of competition.

Still, he did look "careful" where I saw him so maybe it has some potential!

[RICARDO75]

In previous events Johansson was able to match other R5 cars, maybe he got some problems in Uppsala.

The little Mirage seems more impressive in video...https://youtu.be/gcHGH-bct_4

Yes, he was 3rd, 4th and 5th before dropping to 8th position

[Simmi]

Not sure if people were aware or not but it appears the Mirage is also entered into the National portion of Rally GB.

http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/Network_Q_WRGB_National_Rally_List_for_Web_23-9-15.pdf

I'm guessing it's the same car? Looking forward to seeing it if so.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Does Mark Cronje driving Fiesta R5 from VW Rally onwards..?

[Andre Oliveira]

No, it is the same S2000 with facelifted front.

[Rally Power]

From Mpart AB facebook (Mirage R5 builders)

"We're back!
Whilst we haven't posted anything here for the past few months, we've been extremely busy. Since our last post we have been flat out developing and testing the car and the first batch of customer cars is nearing completion.
Part of the test programme has included a number of rallies in Sweden. In fact, this weekend the car will be seen competing in the final round of the Swedish Rally Championship, which is based in and around the town of Uppsala.
Behind the scenes, we've also been working on eligibility and putting together documentation which will allow the car to be assessed and accredited. Full specifications and prices will be published soon and we are delighted to confirm that we have already received lots a considerable number of firm orders from customers around the world.
There's some exciting announcements to be made in the coming weeks, so keep an eye open for more news soon!"

FIA homologation ahead? It would be great!

https://www.facebook.com/MitsubishiR5Official

[Rally Power]

Not sure if people were aware or not but it appears the Mirage is also entered into the National portion of Rally GB.

http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/Network_Q_WRGB_National_Rally_List_for_Web_23-9-15.pdf

I'm guessing it's the same car? Looking forward to seeing it if so.

Me too! I suppose this Graham Middleton is the same that drove for Toyota GB in the late 80's and rallyed Hyundai's cars during the 00's in BTRDA champs. Lots of experience.

[Andre Oliveira]

Osian Pryce will run Mirage R5 at Cambrian

[dodge33cymru]

That's a really interesting call, wonder if he's considering running it in the top class of BRC next year. With the right tyres and someone of his ability it might just work...

[Simmi]

The second part to the Mirage news is that they now have a UK and Ireland distributor - Spencer Sport.

https://twitter.com/Spencer_Sport?lang=en

[pantealex]

Is "self made R5" allowed in BRC ?
or only real R5 ?
what about R5+ or R5 2.0 or RRC or S2400 ?

[Andre Oliveira]

http://spencersport.co.uk/mitsubishi-r5/

The Mitsubishi R5 is built precisely to FIA R5 Class specification.

It features a 1620cc engine based on the Mitsubishi 4B11 unit from the Evolution X, connected to a five-speed Sadev transmission and four-wheel-drive system. The car is fitted with MacPherson suspension and Öhlins dampers all round, mated to specially designed subframes.

LHD, RHD and R5+ versions are also available. Details on request.



The Mitsubishi R5 has been manufactured to comply with FIA R5 regulations. However, because it is not currently homologated by the FIA, participation in each country has to be sanctioned by the regions’ motorsport governing body.

A technical document that mirrors a set of homologation papers has been produced and is available for submission for regional approval, as follows:

For the car to run in the appropriate class in national status events within each country
For the car to run in the R5 class in international status events within each country, subject to a local agreement and championship regulations
Spencer Sport and Mpart are able to assist with the eligibility and accreditation process.

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12066044_1023136457716663_5068863581355399038_n.jp g?oh=c5b8a2331580b35c83e5aef4b6bdab84&oe=56909BBC
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12063382_1023136267716682_1354944720832859365_n.jp g?oh=76e25e2e6759bd43ff070ae1ab4a0b71&oe=569C8C2B
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12143096_1023134397716869_7104921277982300917_n.jp g?oh=3bc7c554c2b0604765c282aafc0dbb35&oe=568EE347

[Andre Oliveira]

https://youtu.be/lj7EPvMj5aM

[Sulland]

How many Mirages are buildt until now, more than the 3 in the eWRC archive?

[Andre Oliveira]

I only know those 3. But....

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/10382310_272147596328115_4373480345953104434_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

[manthey]

Team Skoda Italia Motorsport has 3 Fabia R5 (surpassing BRR with 2 cars)

[Andre Oliveira]

Spare car or to other driver?

[skarderud]

Some rumours about Opel Corsa R5 as a zero-car at rally valais and/or rally Wales GB.
Anyone even seen the car testing?

[tommeke_B]

Some rumours about Opel Corsa R5 as a zero-car at rally valais and/or rally Wales GB.
Anyone even seen the car testing?
How can anyone see the car testing if it doesn't exist? So far no real source said that anyone is working on the Corsa R5 in the last year. And for every rumor that's spread, someone else says it's bullshit... ;) The only thing that is sure is that IF Opel develops a more advanced rallycar (be it R5 or even WRC), they have the perfect driver(s) for the project. Would be a shame if they can't use what Bergkvist has to offer.

[Plhus]

http://spencersport.co.uk/mitsubishi-r5/technical/

[Mirek]

Some nice nonsenses there like 450 Nm at 7500 rpm :)

[pantealex]

Jari Ketomaa has tested that Mitsu "R5" in GB (England/Wales)
Would be interesting to know what he has to say about it because I think he is most experienced R5 driver sofar who has tested that Mitsu

[Micke_VOC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49d4kSnyLcU&feature=share

Ketomaa / Pryce testing Mitsu R5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mitsu R5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRWQ524W8AADd02.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRWQ5ZBWoAAk8pv.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Mitsubishi R5 Asphalt Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bd7pHtRpfc&feature=em-uploademail

[Mirek]

For the moment the car seems to be way too soft for the asphalt.

[Sulland]

Looks like they just tightened the dampers to max, and bolted on slicks.
Does not look like a full asphalt undercarriage yet.

[RICARDO75]

I have just found some onboard videos from Proton Satria Turbo on Grizedale Rally last year. It will be nice if Proton give green light for the construction of an R5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35drKWi3PFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcEXoyC0xUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otcRqdN8YUY

[TheFlyingTuga]

It's a S2000 body with a R5 engine on it?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/t31.0-8/12132457_971425826266269_5030474965300301404_o.jpg

[RICARDO75]

It's a S2000 body with a R5 engine on it?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/t31.0-8/12132457_971425826266269_5030474965300301404_o.jpg

This one is the S2000 that was on the BRC Day. The other on the videos is 2000cc Renault engine with turbo.

[RS]

It would be cool to see an R5 Proton. The Satria Neo was the best of the 'homemade' S2000s.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Spencer Sport ‏@Spencer_Sport
Cambrian Rally - Osian Pryce stopped in SS3 while 4th o/a. Mitsubishi R5 being brought back to service..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRhVwBdWoAAxQjQ.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Test Pre Rally RACC 2015 | Onboard | N.Al Attiiyah - M.Baumel (Skoda Fabia R5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaAdGnZDP6c

[itix]

Gee, fastest stage times in such an event. Maybe it holds a bit of pace after all. Now I am curious if they will get FIA homologation and what the pricing will be. Cmon Mitsu, don't be thick, this is great, free advertising for you!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First on UK soil - Simpsons Skoda's Fabia R5 entered on the Neil Howard Stages, Nov 7th.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRdpPtHWUAExoTX.png

[liposh]

Thumbs up for black rims.

[Mirek]

I have never understood why somebody likes black rims...

[Andre Oliveira]

When we have someone to love green ones i believe in all "likes".

[RICARDO75]

Two more drivers with R5 next season in Portugal

[polo10]

Two more drivers with R5 next season in Portugal

Carlos Martins and Carlos Vieira?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I have never understood why somebody likes black rims...

Anything is better than green ! :hmph:

[Jack4688`]

Is it just me, just my fellow colour-blinders, or everyone that thinks with black wheels* you can't see the bloody design of the damn things? It just hides the spoke pattern in darkness.

*Rim is a circular edge, in a wheel the rim is the part that comes in contact with the tyre. They are called wheels not rims.

[Mirek]

Anything is better than green ! :hmph:

I don't agree. I'm not a fan of the green ones but I still like them a lot more than the black. For me the black rims make the wheels looking smaller and the car appears optically slower with them as You can hardly see them rotating unless You are very close to the car. But ok, everybody likes something of his own taste :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I don't agree. I'm not a fan of the green ones but I still like them a lot more than the black. For me the black rims make the wheels looking smaller and the car appears optically slower with them as You can hardly see them rotating unless You are very close to the car.

In that case white rims are best of all.. I think we all prefer them.

But black looks good when the car is static.

[RICARDO75]

Carlos Martins and Carlos Vieira?

:) I'm not talking about theme.
It's possible to have 10 R5 cars competing next year

[Rally Power]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49d4kSnyLcU&feature=share

Ketomaa / Pryce testing Mitsu R5

Cool video! They've get some bad luck last weekend, but this Mirage is going places!

Btw, Mpart AB and its partners found a clever way to get the Mirage in national champs through National R5 Homologation. Not every country will accept them, but NH are being welcome even in FIA international events.

[TheFlyingTuga]

:) I'm not talking about theme.
It's possible to have 10 R5 cars competing next year

Please tell me that you are not talking about that Portela guy again!! That's going nowhere. I don't see any big company giving lots of money to a guy that the best thing he ever raced was a Evo 5 Gr.N like fifteen years ago... even with Armindo's name in the panoram.

My bet would be Marco Cid and... can't say names. But, by my count, and if everything be according to the drivers planes, we will have 12/13 R5 Cars competing (3 DS3, 2 Skoda, 7 Fiestas)

[Andre Oliveira]

Barros are selling his car, chassis 101 by 265.000€.

R5 to Vieira (sure), Peres (50/50), Martins (75%).

[Rally Power]

This one is the S2000 that was on the BRC Day. The other on the videos is 2000cc Renault engine with turbo.

It's great to see MEM still developing the Satria.

So, besides the original S2000, there's a S2000 with a 2.5 NA Millington engine for national events and a S2000 1.6(or 2.0)T prototype. Any chance of knowing more details on this Turbo version?

S2000 at 2015 BRC Day
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12106978_568498103298177_3347908916393801839_n.jpg ?oh=c3b5043b2fcc7e3dbea110611145a81e&oe=56BD083D
S2000 2.5 testing for 2015 season
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/10407539_451574054990583_8777626119743910734_n.jpg ?oh=e64c3506c639b3bd456b42562d490916&oe=56CD7CAA
S2000 T seen in 2014
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1975150_423925977755391_6110727370497238416_n.jpg? oh=7e0b48e3781f5d16e0a1f601d9aea3f5&oe=56CAE250

Photos from https://www.facebook.com/Oliver-Mellors-Rallying-280143352133655/

[Rally Power]

But, by my count, and if everything be according to the drivers planes, we will have 12/13 R5 Cars competing (3 DS3, 2 Skoda, 7 Fiestas)

Great news about the top field! Lets hope we'll also see more 2WD and N4 cars to get proper entry lists.

[Andre Oliveira]

Sure +1 Ford +1 Skoda and +1 Citroen

If my sources are right (almost correct every time) the portuguese championship will be case study next year.

BRC vs CPR on R5 entry lists ;)

[Rally Power]

(...) the portuguese championship will be case study next year.

For the better and the worse...12 R5 among how many (20?) total entries?

FPAK must put aside R4 cars in order to revamp Gr.N championship, because there's no way a N4 car can compete with Lopes R4 Impreza.

2WD championship must be disputed only at the 6 national (continental) events in order to make it more affordable and the junior (iniciados) championship can have that same 6 events, to get a proper mix of tarmac and gravel rallyes.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Discussion moved to the Portuguese Championship tread (European National Championships sub-forum), since this one is for R5 cars ;)

Sorry for the off-topic non-Potuguese fellows

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Even green rims look small in gravel spec ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR7NkxfXIAAJTlU.jpg

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I wonder if MEM & Proton would build Iriz R5..?

[TheFlyingTuga]

Ohhhh god nooooooooooooooooo! The car it's just awful and the base for a rallycar it's completely wrong, because of the low wheel archs and he tall body.... being to short as well.

I'd like to see the Satria S2000 fitted with a R5 engine on it.

[French_Paulo]

Ohhhh god nooooooooooooooooo! The car it's just awful and the base for a rallycar it's completely wrong, because of the low wheel archs and he tall body.... being to short as well.

I'd like to see the Satria S2000 fitted with a R5 engine on it.

Oh yes !! A Satria Neo R5 !!! :eek: <3

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Ohhhh god nooooooooooooooooo! The car it's just awful and the base for a rallycar it's completely wrong, because of the low wheel archs and he tall body.... being to short as well.

I'd like to see the Satria S2000 fitted with a R5 engine on it.
Let's hoping Proton would make a 3rd gen Satria.

[Mirek]

Even green rims look small in gravel spec ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR7NkxfXIAAJTlU.jpg

Naturally since gravel rims are small...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC Spain Craig Breen ‏

SS1 'Pop off valve strikes again'.

SS5 'Suspension trouble'

That 208 is a joke. :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSAuV5TWIAAY4bJ.jpg:large

[Jarek Z]

WRC Spain Craig Breen ‏

SS1 'Pop off valve strikes again'.

SS5 'Suspension trouble'

That 208 is a joke. :(


And at the same time four Fabias are leading the rally (at least until SS9)!

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

That 208 is a joke. :(

PSA is a joke..:P

[itix]

PSA is a joke..:P

I really like them, but I have got to agree... they don' tbuild 'em strong in the french vineyards!

[Jarek Z]

I really like them, but I have got to agree... they don' tbuild 'em strong in the french vineyards!

Only the 208 is a big failure. 207 S2000 was great!

[itix]

True.. what they gained in looks they lost in reliability and speed hahahahaha

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just to put the tin-hat on it... :(

Craig Breen: Broken diff at start of SS10, all over..

Unfortunately our great speed once again doesn't end in a great result..

[TWRC]

It's hard to say anything really. Popoff is something they can't solve it seems. As far as yesterday's suspension problem goes, I read it was a sealing that went dead, which is a maintenance and/or material failure. Drivetrain: the gearbox is already in its 3rd Evolution, rear diff has been updated as well. So either everybody involved in this project is useless, they have no money, or the car was not prepared well - again. I'd say it's somewhere between the three. But still surprised Famin was not fired after the sloppy product they had such high hopes for.

[Mirek]

As Br21 stated before the pop-off valve issue is largely related to the position in the engine bay which definitely is a design flaw. Others spent hell of a time to minimize the issue before homologation. The 208 had a lot of design flaws since the beginning, maybe because the original designer of the car Bertrand Vallat went to Hyundai before the car was finished, who knows.

[Rally Power]

(...) or the car was not prepared well - again.

That's probably the case. Ok, there are technical flaws at this car project but some teams running with it have manage to minimize them, while others simply don't. Also some of Breen car reliability problems aren't related with those flaws at all.

A lot of 208T16 (and DS3R5, btw) are performing well around Europe, but due to the troublesome Sainteloc ERC and WRC participation, the overall perception is that this car it's a crap. That's not true!

For instance, Racing Lions Team record in Italy has been quite impressive: Andreucci and Peugeot are 2014 and 2015 champs; in 16 events, they have won 8 and retired only once. They've also achieved best PSA R5 car result at WRC2 in their first full attempt: 2nd at this year Rally d'Italia (only 5,6s away from 1st).

Perhaps it's time for Peugeot to look for another team to run their ERC/WRC2 program and turn the 208T16 into a international winner!

[French_Paulo]

Maybe it's Sainteloc who is crap, not the 208T16...

[TWRC]

That's probably the case. Ok, there are technical flaws at this car project but some teams running with it have manage to minimize them, while others simply don't. Also some of Breen car reliability problems aren't related with those flaws at all.

A lot of 208T16 (and DS3R5, btw) are performing well around Europe, but due to the troublesome Sainteloc ERC and WRC participation, the overall perception is that this car it's a crap. That's not true!

For instance, Racing Lions Team record in Italy has been quite impressive: Andreucci and Peugeot are 2014 and 2015 champs; in 16 events, they have won 8 and retired only once. They've also achieved best PSA R5 car result at WRC2 in their first full attempt: 2nd at this year Rally d'Italia (only 5,6s away from 1st).

Perhaps it's time for Peugeot to look for another team to run their ERC/WRC2 program and turn the 208T16 into a international winner!
Also, TRT in the Hungarian championship this year had barely to no problems with the car, and even managed to win 2 rallies. On the other hand, they had many-many problems with Koci's car in the WRC.

And if Saintéloc is the source of many problems, wouldn't it be wise for Peugeot to step in? Because at this point they're not selling cars exactly because of the bad reputation the Academy cars get them. Or does Saintéloc work so cheap that it's still worth it?

[Mirek]

Breen has a had a lot of technical problems in WRC2 but it's not true about ERC. That is correct only for 2014 but in 2015 his only serious technical problems were not really about car reliability (heavy landing in Estonia and driving with blocked radiator in Ypres).

[Rally Power]

Maybe it's Sainteloc who is crap, not the 208T16...

Yep! They really should go to Italy and learn how to treat this fine piece of...french engineering!

https://youtu.be/EwLYIX5_RUQ
https://youtu.be/k14TiTlE-6A?list=PLc994lOyWApLNHtzP0u2G5PaqxvAd9FwP
https://youtu.be/wrpgRO0WL3w

Italians also showing better communication (and drama) skills!

[liposh]

I think all P208 T16 are crap. And I feel very sorry especially for Koci...best driver under 30 yo in middle europe. The only one exception is Ucci. Totally same story as Mini and one exception with Vaclav Pech.

[Sulland]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRhVwBdWoAAxQjQ.jpg

Did the Swedes find the reason yet?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Did the Swedes find the reason yet?

Nothing being reported yet...

Hopefully they will have sorted the problem before the next outing on Wales Rally GB.

[itix]

Whatever that pic Eddie posted is, I can't see it but I would be very much interested in knowing what it shows...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Whatever that pic Eddie posted is, I can't see it but I would be very much interested in knowing what it shows...

It was just of the car with the service team.

There are now 3 confirmed Mitsu R5 entries on the National event at Wales Rally GB.

[Sulland]

Whatever that pic Eddie posted is, I can't see it but I would be very much interested in knowing what it shows...

this text

"Both cars will now return to the factory in Sweden where a detailed investigation will be carried out in order to establish the cause of the problem.
The next competitive outing for Spencer Sport and the Mitsubishi R5 will be on the Wales Rally GB National Rally in four weeks time."

[Sulland]

Have any of the manufacturers made any upgrades to their R5s yet?
If yes, what are they?

[Mirek]

I think that M-Sport will come with a lot of new stuff for next season.

[rp]

Have any of the manufacturers made any upgrades to their R5s yet?
If yes, what are they?

M-Sport is developing a upgrade, mainly for the engine and is using five of their permitted "joker" changes. Ready for Rallye Monte Carlo 2016...

[Andre Oliveira]

And the upgrade will be available to fit on all cars already exists.

[Rallyper]

And the upgrade will be available to fit on all cars already exists.

Is this a question or a state?

[Andre Oliveira]

State :) available to who wants pay offcourse

[Hartusvuori]

Patrik's Motorsport posted on their Facebook that they'll stop the development of Mitsubishi R5 for the time being.

EDIT: but M-Part will continue.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Spencer Sport reveals forthcoming plans and price for R5 Mitsubishi...

http://spencersport.co.uk/spencer-sport-reveals-forthcoming-plans-and-price-for-r5-mitsubishi/

[Sulland]

Do anyone know the Mirage price from M-Part?

[Rally Power]

Spencer Sport reveals forthcoming plans and price for R5 Mitsubishi...
http://spencersport.co.uk/spencer-sport-reveals-forthcoming-plans-and-price-for-r5-mitsubishi/

Congrats to MPart and Spencer Sport! They've manage to offer a R5 car at a reasonable price. On today's 1.39 pound to euro rate, the announced cost of a gravel spec R5 Mirage will be around €180.000 (without taxes). That's over €50.000 less than a Fabia!

[itix]

Still not FIA homologated though... So That kind of makes the value less...

[Rally Power]

Ok, but from the beginning MPart main purpose was to make a replacement car for national Gr.N Evo drivers at a reasonable price, and they've manage to do that! They're also showing how R5 prices are overrated and that there's room to see them going down.

[dimviii]

Congrats to MPart and Spencer Sport! They've manage to offer a R5 car at a reasonable price. On today's 1.39 pound to euro rate, the announced cost of a gravel spec R5 Mirage will be around €180.000 (without taxes). That's over €50.000 less than a Fabia!

you cant say if is cheap or expensive when you dont know how fast= reliable it is vs other r5 cars

[Rally Power]

On gravel, in some swedish and british events, the car already has showed it's fast and reliable (last weekend retirements were the exception). No clue on tarmac (just the 0 outing in Holland).

[dimviii]

On gravel, in some swedish and british events, the car already has showed it's fast and reliable (last weekend retirements were the exception). No clue on tarmac (just the 0 outing in Holland).

no you cant know if its fast or reliable with so few rallies in Sweden and Uk.

[Rally Power]

So far signs are positive. Of course we need to wait to confirm them. Either way this's a hell of an achievement from a privateer structure without almost any manu support. It really deserves our encouragement!

[N.O.T]

you are getting excited about a project destined to fail... useless garbage car.

remember the megane N4 ?

[itix]

Gee, the eternal optimist has returned -_-
When did you last post something factual and enlightening? Probably never.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

you are getting excited about a project destined to fail... useless garbage car.

remember the megane N4 ?
And also Satria Neo S2000 & PSA R5.. :p

[Jarek Z]

Maybe Peugeot 208 T16 is not that bad?

Christian Jensen has just won DANBORING RALLY DENMARK and become 2015 Danish rally champion.

DANBORING RALLY DENMARK results:
1. Christian Jensen/Freddy Pedersen (DK) Peugeot 208 T16 56.26,7
2. Ib Kragh/Mie Petersen (DK) Citroën DS3 R5 +37,0
3. Steen Andersen/Iben Louring Mortensen (DK) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X +1.19,4
4. Ron Schumann/Stefan Weigel (D) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII +1.22,0
5. Piet van Hoof/Max Jacobs (NL) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV +1.44,6
6. Benny Pedersen/Claus Kammersgaard (DK) Peugeot 206 Kit Car +1.45,6
7. Jacob Madsen/Line Lykke Jensen (DK) Opel Adam R2 +2.04,6
8. Kenneth Madsen/Henrik Dernoff (DK) Suzuki Swift Maxi 2000 +2.41,9
9. Michael Sörensen/Claus Amstrup (DK) Subaru Impreza WRX STI N12B +2.59,3
10. Simon Larsen/Carina Møller (DK) Citroën C2 R2 Max +3.00,2

http://www.rallydm.dk/Files/111b6a80-58c7-44c0-874f-026609134110.jpg

[Jarek Z]

At the same time Yoann Bonato wins CRITÉRIUM DES CÉVENNES in France.

CRITÉRIUM DES CÉVENNES final results:
1. Yoann Bonato/Denis Giraudet (F) Peugeot 208 T16 2:11.26,6
2. Pierre Roché/Martine Roché (F) Mini WRC +47,9
3. Eric Mauffrey/Gaëtan Houssin (F) Peugeot 208 T16 +3.16,2
4. Yannick Vivens/Christophe Valibouze (F) Peugeot 206 S16 +4.48,4
5. Jean-Nicolas Hot/Christiane Nicolet (F) Subaru Impreza WRX STI N15 +8.24,8
6. Jean-Alexandre Riso/Cyril Machi (F) BMW 318 Compact +9.14,5
7. Julian Carret/Gilles de Turckheim (F) Peugeot 208 VTi R2 +9.47,7
8. Sébastien Virazel/Jean-François de Montredon (F) Renault Clio R3 +10.32,9
9. Pascal Enjolras/Olivier Vitrani (F) Citroën DS3 R3T Max +10.53,5
10. Patrick Benne/Julien Laffitte (F) Citroën DS3 R3T +11.25,2

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RALLYE-FRANCE-2015-CEVENNES-YOHANN-BONATO-600x300.jpg

[Rally Power]

Jensen tittle is his second national champ with the 208, just like Andreucci in Italy. Salo also got the 2015 Finish title in a 208.

Bonnato win at the Cévennes it's the first one for a R5 car in french tarmac champ.

The 208T16 has already got over 40 rally wins, 5 overall national champs and other class titles, so it's time for the 'non believers' to face the truth: this Pug it's also a competitive rally car!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3bo4xl_criterium-des-cevennes-etape-1-bonato-devant-et-cuoq-titre_sport#tab_embed

[tommeke_B]

I don't think anyone here ever said it's not competitive. Reliability is another story... The same problems with the weak transmission still show up from time to time.

[Ucci]

I don't think anyone here ever said it's not competitive. Reliability is another story... The same problems with the weak transmission still show up from time to time.

P208 R5/DS3 R5 had their chance against Fiesta R5 and old S2000 machinery. With the arrival of new Fabia's R5 to different national championship(s) in 2016, both french "weapons" are history.
Ok, I will still support Andreucci as he has exceptional skills and long years experience, this two facts will be his biggest advantage in fight for 10th national crown.....we'll see.

[dodge33cymru]

So if the Fiesta is getting some engine upgrade for next year, do Peugeot have any potential 'jokers' they can use for reliability?

Correct though, the car itself seems to do fine on the whole, just Sainteloc are underperforming. Must say though, hope the Citroen and Peugeot keep selling even with the Skoda around, they sound infinitely better than the others.

Speaking of which, here's hoping the engine upgrades for the Fiesta help it to sound a bit louder.

[Mirek]

Every carmaker has the same number of jokers available and I guess that Peugeot had to spend some already but I don't know.

[Sulland]

They are working on the car...

How far are Opel on their R5, any tests yet - or when will it be ready for testing?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Simpsons ŠKODA ‏
Oulton Park. Saturday November 7th. With something rather special.....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS0ddRPWEAAsdNo.jpg

[itix]

Jensen tittle is his second national champ with the 208, just like Andreucci in Italy. Salo also got the 2015 Finish title in a 208.

Bonnato win at the Cévennes it's the first one for a R5 car in french tarmac champ.

The 208T16 has already got over 40 rally wins, 5 overall national champs and other class titles, so it's time for the 'non believers' to face the truth: this Pug it's also a competitive rally car!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3bo4xl_criterium-des-cevennes-etape-1-bonato-devant-et-cuoq-titre_sport#tab_embed

This was kind of the idea I had also. It is just that Sainteloc are not performing very well and they are the most visible.

[itix]

How far are Opel on their R5, any tests yet - or when will it be ready for testing?
Absolutely no one has seen any pictures of this or even heard anything. Are we even sure it exists?

Even if they run a test mule with some other body shell on it, some organiser somewhere should take notice.

I'm starting to think it is an urban legend.

[PLuto]

Absolutely no one has seen any pictures of this or even heard anything. Are we even sure it exists?

Even if they run a test mule with some other body shell on it, some organiser somewhere should take notice.

I'm starting to think it is an urban legend.

Yes, it exists and it is in development...

[Rally Power]

Yes, it exists and it is in development...

Fantastic news! Holzer Motorsport behind it? Homologation during 2016?

[itix]

Fantastic news! Holzer Motorsport behind it? Homologation during 2016?

Any solid info what so ever?

[RICARDO75]

Tests Hubert Ptaszek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc-kPDZmMs8&feature=youtu.be

[Simmi]

Simpsons ŠKODA ‏
Oulton Park. Saturday November 7th. With something rather special.....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS0ddRPWEAAsdNo.jpg

As expected it's a choice between BRC and ERC next year for Neil Simpson in his new R5. Personally I'm hoping for BRC with a couple of extra ERC rounds thrown in where possible.

[AndyRAC]

Which gives the best exposure? At the moment, you'd say the ERC - even though I think the ERC coverage has stagnated since the IRC.

[RS]

Which gives the best exposure?

Overall of course ERC, but it also depends who he is promoting and what his results could be in both series.

[Jarek Z]

Tests Hubert Ptaszek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc-kPDZmMs8&feature=youtu.be

It's good to have a rich father in this sport.

[Jarek Z]

Overall of course ERC, but it also depends who he is promoting and what his results could be in both series.

Exactly. And it the case of Simpsons, the chance for top results in the ERC is very low. But good luck to him anyway!

[manthey]

It's good to have a rich father in this sport.

is he connected with Total PL?

[ChristianArp]

Jensen tittle is his second national champ with the 208.


Please don't regard those two titles as something to prove the competitiveness of the car.
Last year his main competition was Ib Kragh in an older, self-run 207 S2000. Kragh would have been champion if he hadn't gone off in the dark during the last round of the championship.
This year Kragh upgraded to a DS3 R5, but struggled mightily with it early in the year to get familiar with it and get it to drive to his liking. Still the championship came down to the final stage of the final round.

Add to that - there are basically never any stages run in the dark in Denmark anymore. Except for the final round these last two years. That round is held around Ans, which is where Jensen lives and is a bit of a legend in the community (he runs a very succesful business in the town). If Kragh has a weakness, one that he doesn't even try to hide, it is stages in the dark. Coincidence? I highly doubt it!

When you run with significantly better backing than your closest competitor (Jensen is supported by the importer of Peugeot) and the rest of the field has significantly worse equipment, you have to win.

That Kenneth Madsen was able to win a round overall in what can best be described as a modern-day interpretation of a 306 Maxi (a Swift with a 2l racing engine around 300hp, FWD) and his younger brother Jacob was 2nd overall after the night stages of the final round IN AN ADAM R2 says everything about the current level at the top of Danish rallying. Sad but true.

EDIT: In fact, I just checked. If you look at the results overall for the year, this provides a better overview of the performances of the year than the championship standings, which disregards certain competitors and only goes by classes.
His championship results were: 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th, 1st, 1st.
His overall results in the rally: 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 17th, 1st, 1st.
If the results of the rallies were the basis of the championship, Kragh would have been champion with 92 points to Jensens 85.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Simpsons ŠKODA ‏@SimpsonsSkoda
Good first stage in the brand new SKODA Fabia R5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTMtsW1U8AAWDDD.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTJWuSxWUAE0nAf.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTM2bHYWIAQu23R.jpg:large

A quick spin on the 2nd stage hasn't helped the times too much. Now lying 2nd overall.

[Mirek]

Man, I love the oldschool circular numbers. I hope they come back one day...

Eddie, can You post link to the live result system?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.rallies.info/res.php?e=196&o=p&t=999&r=o&s=0&n=999999&i=300

SS3 just started..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTNPEVGXAAADj64.jpg:large

[Jarek Z]

Hyundai i20 R5 in Ypres?
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/hyundai-i20-r5-w-ypres,64556

[Jarek Z]

Man, I love the oldschool circular numbers. I hope they come back one day...

Yes, it reminds me some oldschool racing cars from my childhood :)
To be honest everything is better than the current awful number plates :(

[Mirek]

Hyundai i20 R5 in Ypres?
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/hyundai-i20-r5-w-ypres,64556

I think that it was the original plan but I doubt it's possible. Maybe as zero car.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Simpson quickest again on SS4. Getting into the groove of the new car..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTNdPUoUkAI98bM.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

After SS5 Neil Simpson leads by 13 secs ... but a holed radiator caused by catching another car means they retire. :(

[RS]

Has the Hyundai R5 turned a wheel yet? Ypres doesn't seem like far away if not.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame about Simpson's Skoda having to retire early but it showed enough over the 5 stages...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTOrkUbWwAAChGt.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mitsu R5 recent testing in Wales

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRY5WztUEAAV_IV.jpg:large

[manthey]

Hyundai i20 R5 in Ypres?
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/hyundai-i20-r5-w-ypres,64556

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/69411/wrc-hyundai-completa-i-primi-esemplari-della-i20-r5
completed the first chassis of r5 with test in the next weeks
on sale from january 2017

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some photos from Oulton Park NH Stages, including the Simpson's Skoda R5:

http://jucyrally.co.uk/?gallery=msv-neil-howard-stages-7-november-2015-oulton-park

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/R5%20Skoda_zpswukz79pb.jpg~original

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Simpson's Skoda R5 Vids:

SD https://vimeo.com/145070785

OB https://vimeo.com/145056198

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTTrvPhWsAAzHyD.jpg:large

[M5]

Spencer Sport needs a top WRC2 driver in Wales, to get a real measurement on the cars potential.

[dodge33cymru]

Those cars will be running in colossal ruts, if the weather forecast is anything to go by! More of a survival test I'd suggest.

[Andre Oliveira]

One debuting on rallye du var with Loix

http://www.2c-competition.com/images/pages/2c-competition-skoda-fabia-3.jpg

[Mirek]

So simple but so beautiful colors!

[liposh]

So simple but so beautiful colors!

We´ll never have same taste...but alright that´s life. :)

[Rally Power]

Please don't regard those two titles as something to prove the competitiveness of the car.
Last year his main competition was Ib Kragh in an older, self-run 207 S2000. Kragh would have been champion if he hadn't gone off in the dark during the last round of the championship.
This year Kragh upgraded to a DS3 R5, but struggled mightily with it early in the year to get familiar with it and get it to drive to his liking. Still the championship came down to the final stage of the final round.
(...)
When you run with significantly better backing than your closest competitor (Jensen is supported by the importer of Peugeot) and the rest of the field has significantly worse equipment, you have to win.
(...)
That Kenneth Madsen was able to win a round overall in what can best be described as a modern-day interpretation of a 306 Maxi (a Swift with a 2l racing engine around 300hp, FWD) and his younger brother Jacob was 2nd overall after the night stages of the final round IN AN ADAM R2 says everything about the current level at the top of Danish rallying. Sad but true.

It seems Danish rallying isn't at its best...
Jensen may not be the faster, but at least his team managed to prepare him a reliable 208! The team is an importer inhouse department or an external supplier paid by Pug Denmark?
Btw, Peugeot official presence in danish rally must be one of the most enduring all over Europe! I suppose they're doing it since the 80's. When did they start exactly? Any interruption?

[itix]

Spencer Sport needs a top WRC2 driver in Wales, to get a real measurement on the cars potential.
How can Spencer sport even compete in wrc 2 if it isn't FIA homologated?
Or are they running in the national class?

[itix]

We´ll never have same taste...but alright that´s life. :)
I agree with mirek... That's The best looking I have ever seen the Fabia R5. I still don't like the wheel archers though.

[dodge33cymru]

How can Spencer sport even compete in wrc 2 if it isn't FIA homologated?
Or are they running in the national class?
Yeah, they're running three cars in the national event that takes place in between the two passes of the international.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallye_casinos_do_algarve_2015/pco_dsc_2743.jpg

[RICARDO75]

New car for Botka
http://www.duen.hu/hirek/uj_autoja_van_az_europa-bajnoknak

[Andre Oliveira]

Chassis 10 from Grøndal

[ChristianArp]

It seems Danish rallying isn't at its best...
Jensen may not be the faster, but at least his team managed to prepare him a reliable 208! The team is an importer inhouse department or an external supplier paid by Pug Denmark?
Btw, Peugeot official presence in danish rally must be one of the most enduring all over Europe! I suppose they're doing it since the 80's. When did they start exactly? Any interruption?

Danish rallying is very far from the heyday of the 80's and 90's, but has taken a further step backwards this year. Long explanation!

The team is a bit of a combination. Last I heard (been a while, but the cars have not changed since, so I presume still accurate) it was a single full-time employee who took care of the cars. Rallying in Denmark is very much a grass-roots, do-it-yourself business without any specialist companies.
The guy in charge is former driver and mechanic Kjeld Seidler, who now works as technical director for Peugeot Denmark, with influence from both Christian Jensen and Brian Madsen. The intricacies I don't really know, but it seems to be Jensen in charge of the day-to-day maintenance of his car, Brian or Kim Madsen in charge of the same for the R2 and then they have their own mechanics for their own car at events.

From memory (I was born in 1990, so not completely certain), but the only official Peugeot absence from Danish rallying seems to be at the end of the 306 and 106 Maxi-era until Christian Jensen and Karl-Åge Jensen (no relation) got the importer on board for the 207 S2000-project, which then developped into the current R5.
The beginning of the presence I'm not completely sure of, but the legendary Jens Ole Kristiansen had official support in the mid-80s when he drove a home-built "205 T16". He helped start up the current project before retiring to Spain by the way.

[Andre Oliveira]

Anyway jensen selling his 208 T16

[ChristianArp]

Anyway jensen selling his 208 T16

His cars are always for sale, for the right price. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Saw the Spencer Sport Mirage R5's at Rally GB today - hope they have a good run and get plenty of stage miles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/2015-11-12%2011.10.27_zpslhm9a0pv.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

The other is the first RHD, plate GD15 EWX

[Sulland]

How many tyrebrands are represented in the R5 field in GB, in a potential tough mud rally?

What brand has the best tyres for conditions like these?

[Reis Eduardo]

https://www.facebook.com/569085663172983/photos/a.803611366387077.1073741840.569085663172983/905784582836421/?type=3&theater
Skoda Fabia R5 #11 for Antonin Tlustak.

[Jarek Z]

is he connected with Total PL?

I have no idea, but his result in Wales was easy to predict:

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/19132_ctsmazsweaaa0o4.jpg

[liposh]

If I am not mistaken Tlustak just rented this car from Walleweins. He will receive his own brand new Fabia R5 later. ...probably in winter.

[RICARDO75]

If I am not mistaken Tlustak just rented this car from Walleweins. He will receive his own brand new Fabia R5 later. ...probably in winter.

Yes, that's right

[RICARDO75]

Martin Berglund stopped on SS2

[dodge33cymru]

Two passes of the national rally, only saw 2 Mirages (and a different one each time).... that's not good, assuming all three started.

Hope they get it sorted because it looks and sounds great though, if a bit oversteery.... might need that wing homologation speeding up.

[skarderud]

It was just 2 mirage at the start, not 3.
It is homologated in UK and sweden from this weekend atleast, hopefully some more countries does the same before january.

[Andre Oliveira]

Fabia R5 chassis 32 to Hannu's Rally Team (FIN)

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12246598_596090643862021_3011699891901736435_n.jpg ?oh=f438ad8dcdf0957e0e727c9e29b378b0&oe=56F17521
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12243572_596090837195335_788335393006710284_n.jpg? oh=691dd6f32baa4621ae645a4b886083bb&oe=56EFFB06
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12246764_596091180528634_8253934222977234509_n.jpg ?oh=7d9d7fac8d2881256de450cea72ec9a6&oe=56BED676

[RS]

32? They're knocking them out quick now.

What will Hannu's team use it for?

[Andre Oliveira]

http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid=58&title=Skoda-Fabia-R5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Martin Berglund - Mirage R5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT3a4jTXAAE-6wi.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTymb78WIAAcSoE.jpg:large

7th o/a Rally GB National

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT3glwDWIAA__IW.jpg:large

Results included 3 fastest times, two 2nd & two 3rd: http://results.djames.org.uk/results/competitor.php?EventID=398&e=398&CompetitorID=206&SubEventID=398

[Rally Power]

Danish rallying is very far from the heyday of the 80's and 90's, but has taken a further step backwards this year. Long explanation!

The team is a bit of a combination. Last I heard (been a while, but the cars have not changed since, so I presume still accurate) it was a single full-time employee who took care of the cars. Rallying in Denmark is very much a grass-roots, do-it-yourself business without any specialist companies.
The guy in charge is former driver and mechanic Kjeld Seidler, who now works as technical director for Peugeot Denmark, with influence from both Christian Jensen and Brian Madsen. The intricacies I don't really know, but it seems to be Jensen in charge of the day-to-day maintenance of his car, Brian or Kim Madsen in charge of the same for the R2 and then they have their own mechanics for their own car at events.

From memory (I was born in 1990, so not completely certain), but the only official Peugeot absence from Danish rallying seems to be at the end of the 306 and 106 Maxi-era until Christian Jensen and Karl-Åge Jensen (no relation) got the importer on board for the 207 S2000-project, which then developped into the current R5.
The beginning of the presence I'm not completely sure of, but the legendary Jens Ole Kristiansen had official support in the mid-80s when he drove a home-built "205 T16". He helped start up the current project before retiring to Spain by the way.

Great info Christian!

[Mirek]

32? They're knocking them out quick now.

What will Hannu's team use it for?

According to forum rumors there is already around 170 Fabias ordered...

[liposh]

...and just for comparison: There has been produced around 91 pcs Fabias S2000 at the moment.

[RS]

According to forum rumors there is already around 170 Fabias ordered...

Wow, they will have a busy winter. Are the Skoda Motorsport premises big enough to handle this?

[Mirek]

...and just for comparison: There has been produced around 91 pcs Fabias S2000 at the moment.

98 according to a friend who I trust.


Wow, they will have a busy winter. Are the Skoda Motorsport premises big enough to handle this?

Sure not. The motorsport department is quite small. They outsource a lot of activities, bodyshells, engine building and rebuilding etc.

[Andre Oliveira]

R5 are the best regs ever for a rally car

[dimviii]

huge numbers!!

[Mirek]

The number of ordered cars is unconfirmed and may not be true but it is confirmed that Motorsport Italia alone ordered 10.

[liposh]

Even if the number would be oversized it should be something like that. And honestly even if the number would be half (85 orders) it is great news for everybody (and also for the sport itself) . Wishing Skoda motorsport customer service all the best. And as Jarek said: "The more, the better" :D

Mirek, according to ewrc-results, the last chassis number of F S2000 is really Nr. 98, but I assume some numbers were never used. ...but whatever, it is between 90 and 100. Nothing I would argue about.

[Jarek Z]

And as Jarek said: "The more, the better" :D

Of course!!! Where can I order 10 Fabias R5 for ERC 2016? :D

[Mirek]

Even if the number would be oversized it should be something like that. And honestly even if the number would be half (85 orders) it is great news for everybody (and also for the sport itself) . Wishing Skoda motorsport customer service all the best. And as Jarek said: "The more, the better" :D

Mirek, according to ewrc-results, the last chassis number of F S2000 is really Nr. 98, but I assume some numbers were never used. ...but whatever, it is between 90 and 100. Nothing I would argue about.

For sure all chassis numbers were produced but of course some were never seen on public. I am convinced that the person who told that to me has a more accurate database than ewrc.

[Andre Oliveira]

Off course, our database is not the official Skoda motorsport database :) they are very strict with chassis info. We have infos from drivers, owners, photos, fans,... It is not 100% correct but is better than nothing and we are open to people that knows more.

On Fiesta R5 we have better accurancy. Almost 100%

[Jarek Z]

I have just had a look at the WRC2 standings after Wales. What a disastrous year it was for Craig Breen! In ERC he was quite easily beaten by Kajto and in WRC2 it was even worse for him. Not a single win and only 9th in the final standings, behind such drivers as Al Kuwari and Protasov... Let's hope 2016 is better for Craig!

Final standings:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc-2/results/championship/drivers/page/537-256---.html

http://www.craigbreen.com/images/gallery/full_20150153047.jpg

[OldF]

32? They're knocking them out quick now.

What will Hannu's team use it for?

Probably Juha Salo’s new car. His Peugeot 208 T16 is for sale on http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I have just had a look at the WRC2 standings after Wales. What a disastrous year it was for Craig Breen! In ERC he was quite easily beaten by Kajto and in WRC2 it was even worse for him. Not a single win and only 9th in the final standings, behind such drivers as Al Kuwari and Protasov... Let's hope 2016 is better for Craig!

If PSA can fix 208 & DS3 problems..

[Hartusvuori]

Probably Juha Salo’s new car. His Peugeot 208 T16 is for sale on http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/.

It is not for Salo, he will continue with 208 R5.

[harriswrc]

I have just had a look at the WRC2 standings after Wales. What a disastrous year it was for Craig Breen! In ERC he was quite easily beaten by Kajto and in WRC2 it was even worse for him. Not a single win and only 9th in the final standings, behind such drivers as Al Kuwari and Protasov... Let's hope 2016 is better for Craig!

Final standings:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc-2/results/championship/drivers/page/537-256---.html

http://www.craigbreen.com/images/gallery/full_20150153047.jpg
I think that these standings are not correct.
Al Kuwari should drop one result, as the best 6 count for the final standings.

[OldF]

It is not for Salo, he will continue with 208 R5.

Thanks for the correction. I was almost sure it was for Juha Salo. So his not selling his 208T16 or he’s selling it and getting a new one. Is the Fabia for some other driver or is it for renting?

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport's globally successful Ford Fiesta R5 will receive an extensive upgrade from 1 January 2016. The development will bring substantial performance enhancements to what is already a championship-winning vehicle.

Since its debut in the middle of 2013, the Fiesta R5 has become M-Sport's most successful global rally car. With more than 130 cars competing around the globe, the latest Fiesta can boast hundreds of class victories alongside outright wins and championship laurels.

The Fiesta was the first R5 on the market and – despite not receiving a single upgrade in the past two and a half years – remains one of the most competitive having been crowned this year's FIA European Rally Championship winning car in the hands of Kajetan Kajetanowicz.

Now, as M-Sport continues to make strides in development and has evaluated all of the other R5s on the market, the time is right to launch a comprehensive upgrade.

A dedicated team of M-Sport designers and engineers have been assigned to the project and six months of development has resulted in what the team believe to be their most substantial upgrade to date.

With eight allocated homologation jokers still available to use, the first five are solely aimed at increasing engine performance – updating the cylinder head, pistons, inlet and exhaust cam, exhaust manifold and a new clutch/flywheel.

M-Sport engineers have achieved an incredible gain of 32bhp at 4,500rpm and 56 Nm of torque at 4000rpm which represents the single best development step in any engine designed and built by the British firm.

The remaining three jokers will be used for chassis related upgrades which are due to be released in March 2016.

A number of other items are also scheduled for upgrade and M-Sport are currently investigating improvements to the rear aerodynamic device, front bumper, suspension arms, Reiger dampers as well as auxiliary lighting. These upgrades remain in the development phase with a scheduled release towards the end of the first quarter of 2016.

M-Sport Managing Director, Malcolm Wilson OBE, said:

"I am extremely proud of all of the work that has gone into this project. The original Ford Fiesta R5 remains a reliable and competitive package, but these upgrades will see us take that performance to another level. We're constantly developing all of our products, but I have to say that this is the single biggest upgrade we have ever produced; and when you consider how competitive the Fiesta R5 currently is, that really is some achievement!"

Having driven the upgraded Fiesta R5, M-Sport test driver Matthew Wilson, said:

"The increase in power really needs to be experienced to be believed. The original Fiesta R5 was great to drive, but you really feel the upgrades as soon as you get behind the wheel and I have to say that this is the biggest step forward with a competition car that I have ever seen. The extra power of the engine is huge which dramatically improves response and makes it even easier to get the most out of what was already a fantastic product."

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12278805_1238446402851451_4215583988504570341_n.jp g?oh=b564d0a999857733475f5d30f575c08e&oe=56F8204C

[RS]

Sounds impressive. I guess Skoda are working on upgrades too, but have Peugeot already used their jokers?

[Mirek]

I don't know the rules exactly but I think that You can bring major upraged only once per three years and that's exactly now when M-Sport comes with them. The growth of torque is for sure very impressive and the result shall be very similar as the engine of Fabia R5. If they keep good reliability than Fiesta i going to be very fast car!

[RICARDO75]

Nicolas Fuchs was testing the Wevers Sport Fabia R5.
He says that the differences are large in relation to Ford. The Skoda is far more powerful and is easier to drive, he noticed a big difference in the chassis and suspension. He knows that M-Sport will improve the Fiesta and he will wait to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xji2ZlO-TQ&feature=youtu.be

[Andre Oliveira]

Last known chassis (134) to John Powell

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CURIpERWIAAwymu.jpg

[Sulland]

Sounds impressive. I guess Skoda are working on upgrades too, but have Peugeot already used their jokers?

Any signs on the price of the upgrade yet?

[Mirek]

Any signs on the price of the upgrade yet?

All parts have specified price limit therefore those new parts shall cost same as the older which are going to be replaced.

[drive]

does anyone knows history of this car?

https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12278963_10205369625185467_4531019735632254198_n.j pg?oh=d172bc5f4a9da9969aef609d5a1ed474&oe=56B347C0

[Sulland]

All parts have specified price limit therefore those new parts shall cost same as the older which are going to be replaced.

Ok, but if you have an old fiesta and would like to upgrade, what are we talking of, ballpark figures?

[Mirek]

I'm sorry but I don't have particular figures for Fiesta R5. Anyway most of the parts which are subject of the upgrade must be sooner or later either replaced or rebuilt according to the maintenance schedule.

[Andre Oliveira]

does anyone knows history of this car?

https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12278963_10205369625185467_4531019735632254198_n.j pg?oh=d172bc5f4a9da9969aef609d5a1ed474&oe=56B347C0

Chassis 5: http://ewrc-results.com/carinfo.php?cid=56&car=1130&t=Citroen-DS3-R5

[dimviii]

Evoluzione in arrivo per 208 e DS3 R5

http://www.rallycir.com/news-cir/evoluzione-in-arrivo-per-208-e-ds3-r5

[dodge33cymru]

Excellent

Not much news, but sound bites of Hyundai entering an ERC round next year with Abbring: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november/abbring-2016/page/3014--12-12-.html

Still hoping for Ypres

[Andre Oliveira]

Late. Fiesta will boost performance in january. Fabia is impressive right now. March many championship already started.

[dodge33cymru]

Late. Fiesta will boost performance in january. Fabia is impressive right now. March many championship already started.
The car was only homologated in March, so presumably that's why they can't do so before. The other way, it's good long-term news, and hopefully Peugeot stick to the Academy programme to advertise it a bit.

[RS]

Good for ERC, good for Abbring if it happens.

When will the Hyundai R5 be homologated?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good Skoda Fabia R5 article:

http://www.completecar.ie/features/post/5531/Flat-out-in-Skodas-Fabia-R5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Raoux on test today With Skoda R5 for Rallye du Var ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUq2ouZWoAACBZq.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUq7wkQWEAEfxg8.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Qasimmi testing new r5 fiesta...

https://www.facebook.com/emiratesmotorsportclub/photos_stream?ref=page_internal

[Andre Oliveira]

Abdullah Al-Qassimi (http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=3362)

[RS]

Qasimmi testing new r5 fiesta...

https://www.facebook.com/emiratesmotorsportclub/photos_stream?ref=page_internal

The new, new one? Shame no video.

[dodge33cymru]

There's a 3 minute video there, but no sound. Hope the new one sounds better than the old engine.

[Andre Oliveira]

He's testing chassis 100 of Dmack Tyres.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FB of Neil Simpson with photos & video interview re Fabia R5 in the UK - possible BRC & ERC campaign in 2016 ...

https://www.facebook.com/simpsonsmotorsport/

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/12248051_542298219262878_4189103575875386199_o.jpg

It's a serious operation !

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/12183969_538018043024229_1539023669955373748_o.jpg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/12189379_537991853026848_4407338930716652827_o.jpg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/12186754_538017869690913_316314867350920283_o.jpg

[vino_93]

Has Simpson Skoda official support from Skoda UK ?

[mousti]

Has Simpson Skoda official support from Skoda UK ?

No but they bought probably almost all the facilities from the 'Mikkelsen Skoda UK' era

[RS]

Is Simpson's competition run by his own firm or do they use an outside preparer?

It would be great if he could run a young brit in an ERC programme as well as himself.

[mousti]

I think it's his own team.

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[Andre Oliveira]

This ex Bernini chassis 29. Someone know where is now?

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/11931705_10207724233369018_1698480983_n.jpg?oh=d96 c3a2829be506ea7f85e31049a9a83&oe=5658F94B

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11823804_10207724237809129_956721588_n.jpg?oh=3e1e abf7890529c5bb92d72ae0edd3af&oe=5659036B

[Simmi]

DS3 R5 for Botka in the ERC next year - http://www.fiaerc.com/erc2-champion-moves-up-to-a-citroen-ds3-r5/

[dodge33cymru]

Great news, ERC2 is difficult to judge with so few entrants, and I'm always happy to hear PSA R5s passing.

[dimviii]

DS3 R5 for Botka in the ERC next year - http://www.fiaerc.com/erc2-champion-moves-up-to-a-citroen-ds3-r5/]

https://fbcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpl1/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/12274503_400925956783465_17272827290890900_n.jpg?o h=46f3f6126eec1f2c73d9eea14e4e6597&oe=56F5B22D&__gda__=1458484841_61e3c74c6d96ed77d74ad90a5d9120e c
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/12313566_400925963450131_5467461102252556826_n.jpg ?oh=0a551126888447bd93b7061e01ddfa93&oe=56FAC4DA
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/12308477_400925993450128_3155995720283127530_n.jpg ?oh=1a59c103250bc0b75df0bcd26eccf180&oe=56F6745D

[Jarek Z]

Cool livery! Reminds me of the famous Grifone Esso Lancia :)

http://www.oka.urban.ne.jp/home/marie/jp/kit/pic/1991tf.jpg

[tommeke_B]

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WRC-2013-ALSACE-La-DS3-CITROEN-de-LOEB-ELENA-AVEC-SA-DECORATION-HOMMAGE-Photo-Jo-LILLINI.jpg

Hopefully his rallies end better than Alsace 2013... :D

[Jarek Z]

Hopefully his rallies end better than Alsace 2013... :D

So it's actually Loeb's livery? Thanks for the picture. I completely forgot about this car. I stopped closely following WRC many years ago...