Italian Rally News

[dimviii]

@DaniSordo
: "I am improving little by little, gaining confidence with a very different car with chassis and engine than the one I usually pilot"

Neuville
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeZ_F_iXgAE5cGR?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

different shocks canisters at Tanaks hyundai?

https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/alba-4/DSC08024.JPG

more photos from service
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/alba-2020#galleryedc7b6d7ed-5

[EstWRC]

Neuville, Tänak, Loubet all bettered their time by 5 seconds compared to morning

[logwrc]

Now you can write directly in dedicated thread to Rome - https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40707-Rally-di-Roma-Capitale-2020qaaa

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[Jarek Z]

Craig Breen wins the rally! Congratulations!
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/Diretteweb_2020/Alba/adamo111.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Final results of Rally di Alba 2020:
http://rally.ficr.it/rallyplus/export/CBQDP/10_CLASSIFICA_FINALE_UFFICIALE.pdf?v=5f271b322ce77

[Jarek Z]

Final results in WRC category:
http://rally.ficr.it/rallyplus/export/KRMQX/10_CLASSIFICA_FINALE_UFFICIALE.pdf?v=5f271b6670dde

[Tom206wrc]

Very interesting fight in 2WD at Rally Alba between Mathieu Franceschi(208 Rally 4)and Roberto Vescovi(Clio S1600) :D

[dimviii]

Palbo46 video

https://youtu.be/1ML1kn6Dc-I

[Tom206wrc]

Ucci back at the wheels of a Citroën C3 R5 in Rally Città di Arezzo(event of the gravel championship) :bounce:

[Jarek Z]

Ucci back at the wheels of a Citroën C3 R5 in Rally Città di Arezzo(event of the gravel championship) :bounce:

Wow! Ucci is on the entry list indeed, together with some other interesting names, such as Simone Campedelli, Emil Lindholm, Stephane Consani, Alessandro Bettega (son of Attilio), Andrea Masselli, Matteo Gamba... Over 30 R5 cars on the entry list. Nice!
http://www.valtiberinamotorsport.it/iscrittimoderne2020.pdf

[Ucci]

Rally Citta di Arezzo (gravel race for Italian gravel championship), surprinsigly victory for Italian rally legend Paolo Andreucci.
First time behind the steering wheel of C3 R5, until the last stage he was on the second place, but than the bad luck struck Lindholm, who's engine stopped 300 m after the exit from the service zone on the way to the last stage.

http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Ym9keV9zdGFnZXRpbWVzX2ZpbmFsZS5hc3A/cF9Bbm5vPTIwMjAmcF9Db2RpY2U9MzE2JnBfTWFuaWZlc3Rhem lvbmU9OCZwX0dhcmE9MSZwX1Byb3ZhU3BlY2lhbGU9NyZwX1F1 YWxpZmljYXRvcmU9JnBfUmFnZ3J1cHBhbWVudG89QUxMJnBfQ2 xhc3NpZmljYXppb25lPTEmcF9HcnVwcG89QUxMJnBfQ2xhc3Nl PUFMTCZwX0xpbmd1YT1JVEE

I was dissaponited over the performance of S.Cempedelli, who was no match to Lindholm (who drov on MRF tyres) and Ucci.

[Jarek Z]

Yes, Campedelli's second place looks good, but he hasn't even managed to win a single stage...

https://www.rallylink.it/cms16/images/gallery/214_arezzo_fotosport/ELE_5500.JPG

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for Rally Ciocco next week, because Ucci will make the 208 Rally 4 fly there :D

[Jarek Z]

Entry list for Rally Ciocco, the 3rd round of Italian championship - with over 20 R5 cars:
https://www.cioccorally.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/RCVS20_ElencoIscritti_CIR.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

With three stages left to go at Rally Ciocco, Andrea Crugnola is leading Giando Basso with 12"7 and...guess who is leading 2WD ??? :D

[Jarek Z]

Andrea Crugnola Crugnola and his Citroen win Rally Ciocco. And in 2WD? What can I say? Ucci is even faster than Renault Clio Super 1600 :)

Final results:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61875-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2020/?s=294518

https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/ciocco-7/052A8296.JPG

[Tom206wrc]

Why Marco Bulacia on a Skoda Fabia R5 at Rally San Marino this weekend :confused:
I thought he drives a Citroën C3 R5 in WRC this season :confused:

[dimviii]

Why Marco Bulacia on a Skoda Fabia R5 at Rally San Marino this weekend :confused:
I thought he drives a Citroën C3 R5 in WRC this season :confused:

Βulacia with same final time as Campedelli.Scandola lost a lot of time in a stage,but was clearly faster.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61883-san-marino-rally-2020/?s=296272


edit Bulacia won because better time at first stage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egm2kU0WAAE2SLU?format=jpg&name=small


edit2
An exciting San Marino Rally decided in the final part. A race that saw four protagonists emerge: the departure of Paolo Andreucci, the performance of Umberto Scandola, the overtaking of Simome Campedelli, (who takes the lead on the special stage # 7) and the victory of Marquito Bulacia, who triumphs over the last test.

A resounding success, obtained with the same final time as Simone Campedelli but winning thanks to the discriminating factor on the first special stage.

If in Tuscany the misfortune fell to Emil Lindholm, retired on his last transfer due to a technical failure, Umberto Scandola experienced a similar fate in the Republic of the Titan. The Veronese was in command of the race when a small inconvenience slowed him down on the short special stage in San Marino, going from a hypothetical +6 ″ 3 to a real -28 ″, difficult to recover in such short races and trials.

Let it be clear that Marquito Bulacia has not stolen anything, you need to be in the right place at the right time and the clay championship, as well as confirming us a great Paolo Andreucci (remember that he started in front of everyone), returns both the Romagna Campedelli and the Veronese Scandola. An Italian championship is in some ways more interesting than the Cir which lives only on the Crugnola-Basso dualism.

Vince Marquito Bulacia, passed back to the Skoda Fabia for the occasion, the Bolivian always rode at the top, on roads where he also raced in 2017 but this time he was an absolute protagonist, believing in victory until the last short special stage and recovering 6 ″ 5 in Campedelli who did not digest the test at the foot of Monte Titano.

Umberto Scandola has to be satisfied with 4th place, good at recovering from 7th position and is the driver with the highest number of special stages won (6), one for each instead for Andreucci, Campedelli and Bulacia. Staying at Scandola, an excellent debut for Mattia, unfortunately for the very young driver there was the retirement after the ps 5, when he was 29th overall and 8th in R2 but he showed, in some tests, the pace of the drivers of summit.
https://www.rally.it/2020/08/bulacia-vince-il-rally-san-marino

[Jarek Z]

19-year old Marco Bulacia wins Rally San Marino. Italians are really slow on gravel.

[atsiotras79]

Why was Andreucci excluded?

[dimviii]

Why was Andreucci excluded?

The crew made up of Paolo Andreucci and Francesco Pinelli was disqualified from the final classification of the Rally San Marino for an alleged technical irregularity in the engine of the Citroen C3 R5.

The Garfagnino thus loses the third place won in yesterday's test, behind the duo Bulacia - Campedelli. The Board of Stewards decides to exclude from the classification of the 48th San Marino Rally the car no.1 of the competitor Paolo Andreucci, due to the technical non-conformity of the car reported in the report 3 of the Technical Delegate. In particular: passage of air inlet flange.

Andreucci's response was not long in coming, and he will appeal: “We are sorry for what happened at the San Marino Rally. We are sure that everything will be clarified during the appeal phase, as we have already explained to the commissioners. The flange was measured and found to be regular, but the car could not be turned off with a method that we define as questionable. It is regrettable that this exclusion, in addition to being able to compromise our championship, causes considerable damage, as well as image, also economic, because both the car owned by Team Prt, and the engine owned by Fpf Sport, have been made available of the commissioners for further checks, following our communication to appeal. We appreciate that our total good faith has been understood and we hope that the necessary checks will be made as soon as possible, so as to clarify everything and unlock the car to allow the team to make the rentals already scheduled. "

Daniele Ceccoli and Piercarlo Capolongo were then promoted to third place in Hyundai I20 R5.
https://www.rally.it/2020/08/rally-san-marino-squalificato-paolo-andreucci

[Rally Power]

Campedelli’s Polo entry was a one time off or has he switched from the Fiesta permanently?

Btw, nice video by Epic Rally Tribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7zmR-zFumU

[Ucci]

Rally San Martino (Championato Italiano WRC), looking at the enty list you get the impression that Italy has Škoda Fabia R5 Cup:

http://rallysanmartino.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Elenco-San-Martino-2020.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Rally Targa Florio official entrylist has been published today, but I wonder if there are some mistakes :confused:

Several drivers usually using this year 208 R2s are written to drive 208 Rally 4 on entrylist :confused:

[dimviii]

after 3 stages Crugnola (won all stages) have 4,3 sec advantage from Basso

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61877-targa-florio-2020/?s=296309

[dimviii]

Crugnola won,Basso 3rd.
3 last stages didnt run as of too much rain if i understood correct
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61877-targa-florio-2020/?s=296315

[Ucci]

Crugnola won,Basso 3rd.
3 last stages didnt run as of too much rain if i understood correct
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61877-targa-florio-2020/?s=296315

Indeed, due to heavy rain organizers decided to cancel last two stages (SS 8&), because the local roads become very slippery when it rains.
Crungola won 5x stages and showed, that in the moment he is the fastest in Italia. I must say I'm disappointed over Basso's performance, I've never imagine that he will have problems with Crungola in C3.
But on the other hand it is nice to have someone else leading the championship.....
Speaking for somebody new: in 2WD class "The Legend" Paolo Andreucci convincingly showed young drivers, that he is (still) the Nb.1, regardless of the class in which he takes part of....

[Jarek Z]

Crungola won 5x stages and showed, that in the moment he is the fastest in Italia. I must say I'm disappointed over Basso's performance, I've never imagine that he will have problems with Crungola in C3.
But on the other hand it is nice to have someone else leading the championship.....


It is still Basso who leads the championship:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cir.pdf
but I think it won't last long...

[dimviii]

Rally Adriatico for gravel Italian championship
Ucci and Cambedelli fighting very close. Bulacia was on par with Ucci(fastest till ss 2) but something delayed him at ss 3.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61882-rally-adriatico-e-balcone-delle-marche-2020/?s=299497

[Ucci]

Paolo Andreucci won gravel event Rally Adriatico:

http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Ym9keV9zdGFnZXRpbWVzX2ZpbmFsZS5hc3A/cF9Bbm5vPTIwMjAmcF9Db2RpY2U9NzcmcF9NYW5pZmVzdGF6aW 9uZT00JnBfR2FyYT0xJnBfUHJvdmFTcGVjaWFsZT02JnBfUXVh bGlmaWNhdG9yZT0mcF9SYWdncnVwcGFtZW50bz1BTEwmcF9DbG Fzc2lmaWNhemlvbmU9MSZwX0dydXBwbz1BTEwmcF9DbGFzc2U9 QUxMJnBfTGluZ3VhPUlUQQ

Congratulation to him and his co-driver!

[Jarek Z]

Paolo Andreucci won gravel event Rally Adriatico

Ucci is having fun on his retirement, isn't he? :D

https://www.rallylink.it/cms16/images/gallery/224_adriatico_photobriano/0Q2A1116.JPG

[Ucci]

Unfortunately today early in the morning rally Sanremo was cancelled. The organisators were forced to cancell event due to huge amounts of rain and thunderstorms. Roads are still flooded, some of them even damaged.....if Covid-19 does not "destroy" events, than the weather does it....

[Tom206wrc]

Rally Du Valli(CIR) next week ;)

Lt's hope no cancellation(neither for weather like Sanremo nor Covid19 virus) :mark:

[Ucci]

Rally Du Valli(CIR) next week ;)

Lt's hope no cancellation(neither for weather like Sanremo nor Covid19 virus) :mark:

http://www.acisport.it/public/2020/pdf/CIR/2020_362338%C2%B0_Rally_2_Valli//Elenco_iscritti_cir_elencoiscritti.pdf

Will be interesting to see, how fast will be Corrado Fontana with WRC compare to best Italian drivers in R5 machinery.....

[dimviii]

Basso leading Crugnola after 3 stages for just 0,2 sec
Huttunen +23,5 sec
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61879-rally-due-valli-2020/

[Jarek Z]

Does Fontana have some technical problems? How can he be so slow? 12th overall in a WRC car?!

[PLuto]

Does Fontana have some technical problems? How can he be so slow? 12th overall in a WRC car?!

Regrouping after the first loop: Very challenging conditions, we couldn't get a proper pace up to now.

[Ucci]

Does Fontana have some technical problems? How can he be so slow? 12th overall in a WRC car?!
It is a surprise also to me; reading Corado's statements after each stage he has no problem, just challeging conditions....
Overal huge difference by Basso & Crungola compare to the rest of the field....as that they are from another planet.

[Ucci]

Stage 6: Crungola crashed, Basso has doors wide open for the championship crown.

[Ucci]

It is never over until end.....Basso made a mistake and crashed....

[dimviii]

unbelievable mistake from Basso...
Huttunen leading Scandola with 56 sec and with only 1 stage and 4 km to finish

[AnttiL]

Huttunen’s stage win on SS7 put the pressure on Basso

[dimviii]

Huttunen’s stage win on SS7 put the pressure on Basso

no because they had half minute difference,and Basso was taking it easy just to finish the rally.Of course as we have seen plenty of times,mistakes can happen even when going slow.


Basso after stage 7 interview

Basso: "everything ok, we are trying to go through the tests without taking risks, we have to understand how much we lose by driving without taking risks. Let's see"

[AnttiL]

He must have realized that pace on SS7 wouldn’t have been enough.

Amazing result from Huttunen, another tactical win this year!

[dimviii]

He must have realized that pace on SS7 wouldn’t have been enough.


not enough 29 sec for 14 stage kms?
at stage 7 Basso lost 14 sec at 14km stage.Difference was 29 sec starting stage 8
He could afford to go even slower at stage 8 and 9 compared to stage 7.
It wasnt Huttunes pace the problem.

[PLuto]

He must have realized that pace on SS7 wouldn’t have been enough.

Amazing result from Huttunen, another tactical win this year!

Basso was not interested in Huttunen as he was not scoring points to italian championship...

[PLuto]

In fact, Basso and Crugnola were completely different league and nobody was able to catch them. Then there were Rossetti and Scandola, fighting for third place. All of them made mistakes, so they didnt won. Huttunen was +- on speed of Rossetti and Scandola.

[AnttiL]

Basso was not interested in Huttunen as he was not scoring points to italian championship...

Good point.

[the sniper]

What a year for Huttunen...

[AnttiL]

What a year for Huttunen...

All podiums in his class, and only one third place

[Jarek Z]

It is still Basso who leads the championship:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cir.pdf
but I think it won't last long...

One month later and nothing has changed. It is still Basso who leads the championship by 4 points:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cir.pdf

Congratulations to Huttunen! Good job.

I remember the times when Italian drivers were called "tarmac specialists". Not anymore.
Today one would probably agree with this article ;)
https://fleetworld.co.uk/brits-rate-germans-as-europe8217s-best-drivers-amp-italians-as-worst/

[Tom K]

And again title will be decided during Tuscan Rewind. I hope we'll not see any strange punctures...

[Jarek Z]

Italy may be heavily affected by COVID-19, but there is no sign of crisis on the entry list for Rally Tuscan Rewind - there 34 R5 cars and 113 crews on it. This event will decide who will be the 2020 Italian rally champion.
https://www.tuscanrewind.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/elenco-ok.pdf

[Co-driven]

Italy may be heavily affected by COVID-19, but there is no sign of crisis on the entry list for Rally Tuscan Rewind - there 34 R5 cars and 113 crews on it. This event will decide who will be the 2020 Italian rally champion.
https://www.tuscanrewind.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/elenco-ok.pdf

Also will crown champion of CIRT...maybe we can see Bulacia winnning there

[Jarek Z]

Current situation in Campionato Italiano Rally:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cir.pdf

Either Basso or Crugnola will win the championship. But I think that Albertini, Signor and Re also have a small theoretical chance.

[Ucci]

Current situation in Campionato Italiano Rally:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cir.pdf

Either Basso or Crugnola will win the championship. But I think that Albertini, Signor and Re also have a small theoretical chance.

Re and Albertini are not on the entry list.

[dimviii]

Crugnola leading Bulacia with just 1,5 sec after 6 stages!!!
Basso + 24,9 from Crugnola, slower also from Franceschi!
Watch also Franceschi times.
Campedelli out of road from 3rd place when he was 6.6 sec from leader at stage 4
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61880-tuscan-rewind-2020/?s=303637


comments after ss 6

Andrea Crugnola: In my opinion we are doing well, let's try to go on like this 8.05.7
Marquito Bulacia: We have improved a lot, we have more confidence 8: 05.3
J.B. Franceschi: he was a bit disconcerted because the plexiglass of the door came off and dust entered 8: 03.0
Alberto Battistolli: in our times there is progression so we are super happy 8: 10.9
Giandomenico Basso: we are trying to push but to tell the truth I have no feeling with the car, I am not driving as I would come, I cannot express myself, I am not even having fun, I have to try to understand what is in the car, in order to be able to push harder. So it doesn't make sense. Andrea is distant, almost impossible to catch.

[dimviii]

one stage to finish.Bulacia leading,Crugnola has 22 sec diff from Basso and just 14 km to take the crown.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61880-tuscan-rewind-2020/?s=303639

[Ucci]

Crugnola leading Bulacia with just 1,5 sec after 6 stages!!!
Basso + 24,9 from Crugnola, slower also from Franceschi!
Watch also Franceschi times.
Campedelli out of road from 3rd place when he was 6.6 sec from leader at stage 4
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/61880-tuscan-rewind-2020/?s=303637.
Basso lost the race already on 2nd stage, when he spun...

[Ucci]

And we have new CIR 2020 champion-Andrea Crungola. Sincere congratulations to him, codriver and the Team.
Basso retaired on the last stage-broke the wheel off...

[dimviii]

Giandomenico Basso stopped under test (a circle broken) Car ok as shown in the photo

"The hub of the rim was unsoldered and the rim came off. We found it intact"


Campedellis polo

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/61880_fb_img_1605956876998.jpg

[pantealex]

I was not expecting Bulacia to be that fast, very positive surprise to me.

[dimviii]

I was not expecting Bulacia to be that fast, very positive surprise to me.

at last rallies he had progressed a lot.

[Jarek Z]

I was not expecting Bulacia to be that fast, very positive surprise to me.

Maybe he is not that fast, but it's the Italian drivers who are slow?

[dimviii]

Maybe he is not that fast, but it's the Italian drivers who are slow?

i wouldnt say that Italians are not fast at heir country.
Just remember Kalle with 208 r5

[AMSS]

i wouldnt say that Italians are not fast at heir country.
Just remember Kalle with 208 r5

Agreed, especially on tarmac the locals are the benchmark to anyone...

[Jarek Z]

Agreed, especially on tarmac the locals are the benchmark to anyone...

Lukyanuk, Solberg and Grzyb didn't have many problems to beat most of the Italians in Rally di Roma Capitale in recent years. And none of these drivers are tarmac specialists.

[Jarek Z]

i wouldnt say that Italians are not fast at heir country.
Just remember Kalle with 208 r5

Yeah, I remember him. He wasn't the most reliable driver at that time ;)

[Jarek Z]

According to https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/tuscan-2020 Marco Bulacia is 2020 Italian gravel champion. Despite competing in 3 rallies only. So fast are the Italian drivers.

http://www.acisport.it/public/2020/pdf/CIRT/2020_362627%C2%B0_Rally_Adriatico//Campionato_Italiano_Rally_Terra_-_Classifica_assoluta_conduttori_assolutya.pdf

[PLuto]

According to https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/tuscan-2020 Marco Bulacia is 2020 Italian gravel champion. Despite competing in 3 rallies only. So fast are the Italian drivers.

http://www.acisport.it/public/2020/pdf/CIRT/2020_362627%C2%B0_Rally_Adriatico//Campionato_Italiano_Rally_Terra_-_Classifica_assoluta_conduttori_assolutya.pdf

Gravel championship is not so popular in Italy like CIR. Leader of championship before this rally Andreucci was now starting with Rally4, so lost his chances without battle. So only rivals were Costenaro and Campedelli who should win quite easily the championship if he dont crash on last race.

[dimviii]

Lukyanuk, Solberg and Grzyb didn't have many problems to beat most of the Italians in Rally di Roma Capitale in recent years. And none of these drivers are tarmac specialists.

Lukyanuk and Solberg have won almost everybody at any country.

[dimviii]

According to https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/tuscan-2020 Marco Bulacia is 2020 Italian gravel champion. Despite competing in 3 rallies only. So fast are the Italian drivers.

http://www.acisport.it/public/2020/pdf/CIRT/2020_362627%C2%B0_Rally_Adriatico//Campionato_Italiano_Rally_Terra_-_Classifica_assoluta_conduttori_assolutya.pdf

Italian gravel championship hasnt the good entries like the CIR.

[dimviii]

Yeah, I remember him. He wasn't the most reliable driver at that time ;)

i talk about speed.You said that Italians are not fast.
Kalle wasnt fast either?

[Jarek Z]

i talk about speed.You said that Italians are not fast.
Kalle wasnt fast either?

I remember that Kalle was fast, but not reliable. He had a crash in nearly each rally.

When it comes to the speed of Italian drivers, I'll give you an example. Alberto Battistoli can't be called a fast driver. In Rally Liepaja he was 17th overall. In Rally di Roma Capitale 20th. But in Tuscan Rewind he is easily third. Does it look like a highly competitive championship?

CIR used to be great a few years ago - with Andreucci, Basso, Aghini, Travaglia, Rossetti etc, but I'm afraid those times are long gone, if a 19-year-old kid from Bolivia comes and wins the championship in just 3 rallies.

[Essaj]

I remember that Kalle was fast, but not reliable. He had a crash in nearly each rally.

He clipped curb on Ciocco damaging his suspension. In Adriactico he actually crashed or went off the road twice before retiring. Salento he hit a rock in a blind corner that was risen to the road from the previous driver who had cut that corner and you dare to call that "crash in nearly each rally"
He would have also finished P2 in adriatico but electricial / fuel related issue stopped him on the final liaison and did pretty well in Rome, all that in piece of a shit 208 while being 17 :)

Also Bulacia did same rallies in Italy already back then.

[Mirek]

... all that in piece of a shit 206...

Andreucci won the title in the same car (and it's 208 btw).

[Essaj]

Andreucci won the title in the same car (and it's 208 btw).

Andreucci somehow made the 208 :D work for him, there aint many who were able to do it with that car.

[Mirek]

Andreucci somehow made the 208 :D work for him, there aint many who were able to do it with that car.

Abbring, Lefebvre or Breen disagree.

[Jarek Z]

you dare to call that "crash in nearly each rally"

There is a reason why Kalle had 4 times less points than Andreucci in the same car :)
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campionato_Italiano_Rally_2017

[Essaj]

Abbring, Lefebvre or Breen disagree.
Abbring is one of those "not many drivers". Breen last drove the car in 2015 and was he really that fast or happy with it? I don't think so. just look how many accidents and techinal difficulties he had with it.
Also has Lefebvre even done events in 208? His R5 results no matter the car are also really shy of Kalle's ones.

This is really getting out of topic now, but I don't get how Kalle always gets blamed for his season in Italy. IMO With all things considered it was pretty successful and was a perfect learning curve for him


There is a reason why Kalle had 4 times less points than Andreucci in the same car :)
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campionato_Italiano_Rally_2017

Is "crash in each rally" one of those things?

[Mirek]

This is really getting out of topic now, but I don't get how Kalle always gets blamed for his season in Italy. IMO With all things considered it was pretty successful and was a perfect learning curve for him

I haven't said a word about Kalle. You said the car was a piece of shit while Andreucci won the title with it. I reacted to that statement.

[Jarek Z]

Is "crash in each rally" one of those things?

For sure those crashes didn't add him points:

http://www.rallylinkhost.it/images/igallery/resized/801-900/Rovanper_Pietillanen-828-800-600-100.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7MyJkcXkAMAIxb.jpg

https://fi-fi.facebook.com/KalleRovanperaRacing/videos/1428151787266329/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_xydy2W0AAEBHd.jpg


I don't get how Kalle always gets blamed for his season in Italy. IMO With all things considered it was pretty successful and was a perfect learning curve for him.

I have never blamed Kalle for his season in Italy. I remember it as a very exciting season.

[Jarek Z]

Final classification of 2020 Campionato Italiano Rally:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cir.pdf

[Jarek Z]

Final classification of 2020 Campionato Italiano Rally Terra:
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cirt.pdf

[dimviii]

https://www.rally.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/livrea.jpeg


It is under the banner of maximum ambition, that aimed at victory, that BB Competition is preparing to archive the 2020 sports season. The La Spezia association will be called upon to defend the primacy achieved in the previous edition by deploying - on the streets of the scheduled "Ciocchetto Event" next weekend - eleven times Italian rally champion Paolo Andreucci.

A collaboration, that between the Garfagnino driver and the Ligurian team, materialized thanks to the relationship established between the partnership and the PRT team, a structure that will make available to the fresh winner of the Italian Two Wheel Drive Rally Championship his own Citroën C3 R5, with the driver supported - as is his custom - by Peletto Racing Team and Pirelli as regards the supply of tires. Expert co-driver David Castiglioni will be called to meet the expectations of the parties.

"Given the excellent relationships matured with the driver Paolo Andreucci and Daniele Pellegrineschi's PRT team, we have proposed a collaboration for this event - the comment of Claudio Arzà, president of BB Competition - it will be a valid opportunity for our team to thank our partner of their fundamental support in a year of general difficulty, giving them the great visibility that a great champion like Paolo can guarantee. A race, the Ciocchetto Event, very dear to us and that I had the opportunity to face and win in the last edition, with David Castiglioni by my side. He will have the honor of supporting Paolo Andreucci next weekend in what we hope will be another occasion to celebrate on these streets ".

The Ciocchetto Event, scheduled inside the “Il Ciocco” estate in Castelvecchio Pascoli, will start the engines on Saturday, from 3 pm. The next day, Sunday 20 December, the second and last stage will end at 13.50 . Thirteen special stages scheduled, including a Super Special Stage at night, on the opening day.

https://www.rally.it/2020/12/andreucci-e-bb-competition-insieme-al-ciocchetto

[dimviii]

Scandola with hyundai i20 r5 11,32 sec ahead of Ucci with c3 r5 after 7 short stages.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/67481-rally-il-ciocchetto-2020/

[Co-driven]

Funny to see times to the hundredth of a second.

I have no information regarding the event, saw some images with a lot of rain and water on the road. Also first time of Andreucci with C3 on tarmac.

[Ucci]

Funny to see times to the hundredth of a second.

I have no information regarding the event, saw some images with a lot of rain and water on the road. Also first time of Andreucci with C3 on tarmac.

The reason for measuring hundreds of seconds is in the length of each stage. Except one stage the length of none exceeded 2,5 km!

[Steve Boyd]

The reason for measuring hundreds of seconds is in the length of each stage. Except one stage the length of none exceeded 2,5 km!
Interesting. How does the start timing work? Do they use the actual time the car breaks the start timing beam - like in a sprint or hillclimb, or do they use the allocated start time and give a penalty for breaking the beam early - like most rallies?

[Ucci]

Interesting. How does the start timing work? Do they use the actual time the car breaks the start timing beam - like in a sprint or hillclimb, or do they use the allocated start time and give a penalty for breaking the beam early - like most rallies?
I've checked with one of the participants : the starting procedure was ordinary as on normal rallyies.
This driver also noticed, that some drivers (starting in front of him) started already one seconds before green light appered on the starting light (and nobody received a penalty!), on the other hand he has started always on "0", that is already 13 sec of delay (13 stages)......

[Steve Boyd]

Thanks Ucci.

That timing method does make the driver's start of the stage critical and good timekeeping even more important than usual to report anyone breaking the beam early.
A lot of national level compeitors in UK say don't wait for zero always go on 1 because you won't get a penalty. It's true because the penaly in UK national rules is 1 minute for a false start (FIA is 10 seconds for the first time) so many organisers won't give 1 minute penalty for 1 second at the start. These competitors then have a shock on international rallies when they find they get 10 seconds added the first time and then 1 minute added the second time.

[PLuto]

Thanks Ucci.

That timing method does make the driver's start of the stage critical and good timekeeping even more important than usual to report anyone breaking the beam early.
A lot of national level compeitors in UK say don't wait for zero always go on 1 because you won't get a penalty. It's true because the penaly in UK national rules is 1 minute for a false start (FIA is 10 seconds for the first time) so many organisers won't give 1 minute penalty for 1 second at the start. These competitors then have a shock on international rallies when they find they get 10 seconds added the first time and then 1 minute added the second time.

I dont know how is it in UK, but on international scene (and also in Czech for example) there are photocells 40 cm behind the start line and they are connected to printer and clocks. It is automatic process and if there is jump start, it is printed and no other chance than to give penalty. But for sure, photocell is not just on start line, so if you start just before zero and cross the line earlier (but in time for line of photocell), it is ok.

[Steve Boyd]

I dont know how is it in UK, but on international scene (and also in Czech for example) there are photocells 40 cm behind the start line and they are connected to printer and clocks. It is automatic process and if there is jump start, it is printed and no other chance than to give penalty. But for sure, photocell is not just on start line, so if you start just before zero and cross the line earlier (but in time for line of photocell), it is ok.
Hi Pluto
Many events in the UK, but not all, have a timing beam on the start line but the regulations say that a jump start, even with a beam, has to be reported by the timekeeper. It is then a Clerk of the Course decision whether to apply a penalty. As the standard penalty in the UK is 1 minute (not 10 s) many clerks don't apply the penalty unless the report and the clocks show 2 seconds or more. This makes stage timing to 0.1 seconds nonsense and frustrates me. Having worked in results on many events to both UK and FIA regulations, I much prefer the FIA system.

[PLuto]

Hi Pluto
Many events in the UK, but not all, have a timing beam on the start line but the regulations say that a jump start, even with a beam, has to be reported by the timekeeper. It is then a Clerk of the Course decision whether to apply a penalty. As the standard penalty in the UK is 1 minute (not 10 s) many clerks don't apply the penalty unless the report and the clocks show 2 seconds or more. This makes stage timing to 0.1 seconds nonsense and frustrates me. Having worked in results on many events to both UK and FIA regulations, I much prefer the FIA system.

Yes, FIA system is much better. In case of jump start, it is very easy to say if it is jump start or not. Zero tolerance, you should start on exact time and anything before (it just can be 0,1) is jump start. I think that ability to make correct start in time (not early, but also not so much late) is part of drivers quality. Keep decision on CoC if he wants to give penalty or not is quite crazy... Despite I agree that 1 minute penalty for first jump start is quite too much.

[Tom206wrc]

Opening of the 2021 rallies season in Italy this weekend :)

Adria Rally Show + Rally del Carnevale

Many Rally2 cars on both events ;)

Not less than ten Peugeot 208 Rally4 on Adria RS :D
The car becomes this season the official one of the Peugeot cups(Top)

You can follow these events on http://ewrc-results.com/ (my favourite live results website) :cool:

[PLuto]

I was on Adria Rally Show. Not so bad, but stages only on circuit (and partly on kart circuit and one mickey mouse part on parking). For me the biggest problem was big breaks between stages - almost three hours. It was like hillclimb, more waiting than competing...

[Ucci]

I was on Adria Rally Show. Not so bad, but stages only on circuit (and partly on kart circuit and one mickey mouse part on parking). For me the biggest problem was big breaks between stages - almost three hours. It was like hillclimb, more waiting than competing...

Pluto, nice to hear that you were present on Adria Rally Show:)
Shame for our guy, Boštjan Avbelj, who had puncture on 1st stage and lost awful time.....otherwise he could end on podium.
Fabrizio Fontana drove Fiesta WRC+, who's car is this?

[Co-driven]

Pluto, nice to hear that you were present on Adria Rally Show:)
Shame for our guy, Boštjan Avbelj, who had puncture on 1st stage and lost awful time.....otherwise he could end on podium.
Fabrizio Fontana drove Fiesta WRC+, who's car is this?

I wasn't there but I guess it's from Italian team GMA (I think this is the name of the team).

[PLuto]

I wasn't there but I guess it's from Italian team GMA (I think this is the name of the team).

GMA was servicing it, but owner is Daniele Porro with his R+ Sport team.

[PLuto]

Shame for our guy, Boštjan Avbelj, who had puncture on 1st stage and lost awful time.....otherwise he could end on podium.

He was really fast, pity for the puncture... I hope we will see him more times on proper rally stages.

[Tom206wrc]

Andrea Crugnola with Hyundaï at CIR 2021 :confused:

So no top driver with Citroën(and the evo C3 Rally2)in Italie this season ??? :(

[dimviii]

Rally.it
@Rally_it

Andolfi e Mazzocchi nel Cir con Motorsport Italia https://rally.it/2021/02/andolfi-e-mazzocchi-nel-cir-con-motorsport-italia
via @Rally_it

[dimviii]

The ACI Central Directorate for Sport, in collaboration with the ACI Sport Rally Commission and ACI Sport Spa, has developed a demanding program that provides for the presence of 11 drivers at the start of the 2021 races, in various series, with the colors of ACI Team Italy.

Nine of them will be involved in the Italian Rally Championship, all of which have already been followed by the Federation in the past.

Fabio Andolfi, Luca Bottarelli, Tommaso Ciuffi, Andrea Crugnola, Damiano De Tommaso, Andrea Mazzocchi, Marco Pollara, Alessio Profeta and Alessandro Re

In the Italian Rally Terrain Championship the standard bearer of ACI Team Italia will be Rachele Somaschini from Lombardy.

In the European Rally Championship it will be Alberto Battistolli from Vicenza, already in the ranks of ACI Team Italia last season, to dress his car with the colors of the Italian team.

https://www.rally.it/2021/02/aci-team-italia-in-supporto-di-11-giovani-piloti

[Tom206wrc]

Damiano de Tommaso chose a Citroën C3 Rally2 for his CIR campaign :D

[Tom K]

Andreucci with MRF and Citroen in CIR-Terra

Team MRF Tyres is excited to have an 11-time Italian national champion joining the squad for the season as Paolo Andreucci’s car will be shod by the Indian tyres for the 2021 Italian Gravel Rally Championship.

Andreucci joins the team for the six-round Italian Gravel Rally Championship campaign and will drive a Citroen C3 Rally 2 on the latest generation of MRF Tyres.

[Tom206wrc]

Could be a great thing for MRF to hire Ucci as developper ;)

[dimviii]

is Ucci still working with Pirelli?

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently no :confused:

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euk6jd8XYAAa1MX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euk6jd7WYAIMFat?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Jarek Z]

Wow! Ucci will never stop! :)

[Jarek Z]

The ACI Central Directorate for Sport, in collaboration with the ACI Sport Rally Commission and ACI Sport Spa, has developed a demanding program that provides for the presence of 11 drivers at the start of the 2021 races, in various series, with the colors of ACI Team Italy.


Wow! This is so great from the Italian federation to support as many as 11 drivers! Especially in the difficult pandemic times!

[wyler]

Wow! This is so great from the Italian federation to support as many as 11 drivers! Especially in the difficult pandemic times!

yep. but the budget is up to the driver. federation only gives some support after the driver as already the budget.

[Tom206wrc]

Two interesting rallies next week: Rally dei Laghi(lakes in italian)and Ronde Canavese...let's hope a nice entrylist for them ;)

[Ucci]

Andreucci with MRF and Citroen in CIR-Terra

Team MRF Tyres is excited to have an 11-time Italian national champion joining the squad for the season as Paolo Andreucci’s car will be shod by the Indian tyres for the 2021 Italian Gravel Rally Championship.

Andreucci joins the team for the six-round Italian Gravel Rally Championship campaign and will drive a Citroen C3 Rally 2 on the latest generation of MRF Tyres.

Wonderful news!! I'm happy for him....the success is guaranteed.

[Tom K]

Neuville and Wydaeghe in Il Ciocco

https://www.rally.it/2021/02/neuville-al-rally-ciocco?fbclid=IwAR359XOqMx9ZkqOp8P2rY98FzBkUK-IZ7dSEygNYTCRjU8Abb-2i8ITG3tA

[Jarek Z]

Luca Hoelbling is going to compete in Campionato Italiano Rally Terra with Hyundai i20 R5 from SA Motorsport:
https://www.rally.it/2021/02/scandola-e-hoelbling-pronti-per-la-nuova-stagione-rally

[Jarek Z]

Marco Signor, the third driver of last year's championship, is going to drive Volkswagen Polo R5 in Campionato Italiano Rally this year:
https://www.rally.it/2021/02/anche-marco-signor-nel-cir

[Jarek Z]

Two interesting rallies next week: Rally dei Laghi(lakes in italian)and Ronde Canavese...let's hope a nice entrylist for them ;)

The entry list for Rally Ronde Canavese looks quite good, with Marco Signor, Elwis Chentre, Oliver Burri and over 20 R5 cars:
https://www.rtmotorevent.it/images/2021/canavese/Depliant-Elenco-Iscritti.pdf

[Jarek Z]

There is another interesting rally in Italy this weekend - Rally Terra Valle del Tevere. I noticed many good drivers from the past on the entry list - Andrea Masselli, Matteo Gamba, Emanuele Dati, Alessandro Broccoli, Jader Vagnini plus a new driver - Bruno Bulacia:
http://www.valtiberinamotorsport.it/Elenco%20MODERNE%20RTVT%202021%201.2

[Tom K]

La Scandalo from 2019 continues. Titles should be awarded again...

https://it.motorsport.com/cir/news/cir-clamoroso-il-coni-rimette-in-ballo-i-titoli-2019/5498730/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-1

[Ucci]

Neuville and Wydaeghe in Il Ciocco

https://www.rally.it/2021/02/neuville-al-rally-ciocco?fbclid=IwAR359XOqMx9ZkqOp8P2rY98FzBkUK-IZ7dSEygNYTCRjU8Abb-2i8ITG3tA

Not just Neuville....confirmation also for Craig Breen in i20R5.

http://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/news/craig-breen-e-paul-nagle-con-la-hyundai-i20-r5-al-ciocco

Those two drivers will be huge challenge for Italian drivers. Looking forward.

[Tom K]

Ucci, how it is in Italian Championship - you need to somehow register into CIR or Neuville and Breen will score points even with one outing?

[Ucci]

Ucci, how it is in Italian Championship - you need to somehow register into CIR or Neuville and Breen will score points even with one outing?

If I understand correctly, foregin drivers score points for every outing....Here is Italian version of CIR regulation: "Conduttori stranieri: se non iscritti al campionato, in classifica saranno considerati trasparenti ai fini del punteggio, in tutte le classifiche"

[focus206]

If I understand correctly, foregin drivers score points for every outing....Here is Italian version of CIR regulation: "Conduttori stranieri: se non iscritti al campionato, in classifica saranno considerati trasparenti ai fini del punteggio, in tutte le classifiche"

"Foreign drivers: if they're not registered to the championship, they'll be considered transparent for points scoring in every classification"

[dimviii]

One step at a time but at the Rally del Ciocco there will also be the Italian multiple champions Giandomenico Basso and Lorenzo Granai, this time in action with the Skoda Fabia R% evo of the Veneto team Delta Rally.

This was announced by the driver himself, on the pages of the newspaper “la tribuna di Treviso” which reports: “First of all, let's go to Ciocco: in these days we will try to close a project for the other races of the championship, but in the meantime let's think about the first one”.

So it is not certain that the "Giando" will run throughout the CIR season, probably the results will also be decisive, the hope remains that the driver from Treviso will be able to try again the assault on the national title in a particularly rich championship.
https://www.rally.it/2021/03/inizia-dal-ciocco-il-possibile-cir-di-basso

[Tom206wrc]

Note that Andrea Nucita will drive a 208 Rally4 and aims victory in CIR 2WD ;)

[dimviii]

Filip Mares al Rally del Ciocco
https://www.rally.it/2021/03/filip-mares-al-rally-del-ciocco

[Neige]

Interview with famous gearboxes and dampers creator, Martynas Samsonas about his rally in Rally terra valle del tevere

https://rally-week.com/m-samsonas-e-snitkas-rally-terra-valle-del-tevere/

[Ucci]

What a surprise for Ciocco, first the entry list (36x R5 cars!!) and Paolo Andreucci in private Fabia with MRF tyres. Althaugh I do not expect anything special from him (1st time in Fabia and MRF is crap on tarmac) he will still "spice" this event....

https://www.cioccorally.it/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/RCVS21-ElencoIscritti_CIR.pdf

[Co-driven]

From that entry list, does it mean that Breen is registered in CIR?

[the sniper]

and Paolo Andreucci in private Fabia with MRF tyres. Althaugh I do not expect anything special from him (1st time in Fabia and MRF is crap on tarmac) he will still "spice" this event....

Why isn't he doing it in the Citroen?

[Co-driven]

Why isn't he doing it in the Citroen?

If I am not mistaken, the Citroen he usually runs was already rented to another driver.

[Ucci]

If I am not mistaken, the Citroen he usually runs was already rented to another driver.

Now he will be able to feel what a "space shuttle" is Fabia compare to anything else in R5 class....

[Mirek]

Now he will be able to feel what a "space shuttle" is Fabia compare to anything else in R5 class....

Except that is not...

[Ucci]

Except that is not...

At least you should be proud of domestic product.....

[Co-driven]

From the entry list, I think he will use the "old spec" R5 car, not the Evo...

[RS]

Except that is not...

I guess that it was when it debuted, now others have caught.

[Mirek]

At least you should be proud of domestic product.....

Why do you think I'm not?

Currently no R5 is a space shuttle a level above others. Rules don't allow that. All cars are very close in performance and the main advantage of Fabia is that at the moment it's probably the best all-rounder of them and the most reliable one. However Italian asphalt stages aren't her typical playground. Rougher, faster and usually gravel events are.

[Ucci]

From the entry list, I think he will use the "old spec" R5 car, not the Evo...

No, it will be already Evo2 version.

http://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/news/paolo-andreucci-al-via-del-rally-del-ciocco-con-abs-sport

[Jarek Z]

From that entry list, does it mean that Breen is registered in CIR?

Yes. This is the list of drivers registered in CIR 2021:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/Diretteweb_2021/Ciocco_2021/iscritti_cir_assoluto.jpg

CIR = Campionato Italiano Rally
CIRA = Campionato Italiano Rally Assoluto

[Mirek]

No, it will be already Evo2 version.

http://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/news/paolo-andreucci-al-via-del-rally-del-ciocco-con-abs-sport

Sorry for being pedantic but Evo2 doesn't exist :)

[dimviii]

Test Pre-Ciocco 2021 | Thierry Neuville - Craig Breen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHXdwYBbJg

[Ucci]

Sorry for being pedantic but Evo2 doesn't exist :)

Not in Czech republic, but in Italy does according to the article. Italian rally preparation companies are known for many "improvements" or we might say "evolutions"...

[wyler]

Yes. This is the list of drivers registered in CIR 2021:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/Diretteweb_2021/Ciocco_2021/iscritti_cir_assoluto.jpg

CIR = Campionato Italiano Rally
CIRA = Campionato Italiano Rally Assoluto

CIRA= Campionato Italiano Rally Asfalto (tarmac)

[Jarek Z]

CIRA= Campionato Italiano Rally Asfalto (tarmac)

Oh, really? Sorry for my mistake then. I found two different translations for CIRA:
1 - Campionato Italiano Rally Assoluto
http://www.acisport.it/public_federazione/2021/pdf/Documenti_disciplina/cir_-cira_assoluto_schede_iscrizione_2021.pdf
2 - Campionato Italiano Rally Asfalto
http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2020/cira.pdf
and had no idea which one was correct.

[Jarek Z]

New liveries!
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index.php/ciocco-2021#gallery5d36c35ca2-1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ciocco LIVE now: http://acisport.it/it/acisport-service/live-streaming/ita

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Andreucci only beaten by Neuville on SS1 despite being on MRF tyres.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68441-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2021/

[Mirek]

MRF were quite good last year in ERC and I bet they must be better this season.

On the other hand 2 km stage says nothing about the tyres. Long stages will show.

[dimviii]

shakedown video
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/34342-cir-rally-il-ciocco-2021-shakedown/

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/34347-cirally-sparco-44-rally-del-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-shakedown-12032021/

[dimviii]

Neuville 2,7sec faster from Ucci- Breen at 1,9km stage

[dimviii]

Paolo Andreucci: there is still a little damp, slippery, I think it cleans up. We well no problem 1: 58.13
Marco Pollara: 2: 02.71 it went well, we went down without taking big risks, good choice of tires thanks to the Pirelli technicians. It is drying
Giacomo Scattolon: 1.59.21 surely we could have done better, I tried not to make mistakes. But don't tell yourself if I went well or badly
Luca Bottarelli: we started. We are happy. This was the show rehearsal. The race is tomorrow 1: 59.635
Antonio Rusce: 2: 01.947 beautiful, I enjoyed it, two traverses. We broke the ice
Rudy Michelini: 2: 00.083 there was little grip, then maybe the car was too hard. But it's good to get out of here because it's easy to make mistakes
Stefano Albertini: 1: 58.386 all right, I made a little mistake at the close inversion, but I enjoyed it
Marco Signor: 2.00.187 let's see the times, it seemed pretty good. In the meantime we have come out, we'll see later tomorrow
Giandomenico Basso: 2: 01.230 the start was not very good, the starting system did not enter, the car was dead.
Andrea Crugnola: 1.59.119 quite well, the first test is not easy, but it's okay
Thierry Neuville: 1.55.410 a good test, very good car and I enjoyed it
Craig Breen: 1.58.186 Almost Ok, the road slipped more than I thought. Tomorrow is another story

[EstWRC]

A stage win for Virves ???

I don’t know the level of the locals but it’s surprising as hell for me because his lack of experience and his first ever tarmac rally.

[focus206]

A stage win for Virves ???

I don’t know the level of the locals but it’s surprising as hell for me because his lack of experience and his first ever tarmac rally.

I see him in 3rd position in Rally4, behind Nucita and Lucchesi?

[Mirek]

A stage win for Virves ???

I don’t know the level of the locals but it’s surprising as hell for me because his lack of experience and his first ever tarmac rally.

Spectator stage... ;)

[EstWRC]

Spectator stage... ;)

I know but the guy has no experience at all on tarmac.


Let see the next days.

[dimviii]

The first to come out of the night reorganization will be the n.1 Andrea Crugnola at 7:00 am followed by all the other competitors in progressive order of registration number and all interspersed by one minute from each other, with these exceptions:

after Neuville n.11 Craig Breen n.42 will start and after n.26 the n.204 Erik Cais will start, admitted at the last moment to the CIR race instead of the CRZ race.

"Special stage among the great classics of the Il Ciocco rally, much appreciated by the drivers, is re-proposed in the same format as in 2019. Wide, guided and fast uphill start, up to the brow after the Casina Rossa fraction, where a rapid descent begins, dotted with spectacular hairpin bends. It ends shortly after the town of Massa Sassorosso, not crossing the town. "

Scheduled test departure: 8:24 am

The first forerunners who reached the stop confirm the substantially dry test, with some wet patches in the final part. Note that there are several "anti-cut" spots so it shouldn't get too dirty. Currently on the whole test good grip

[dimviii]

ss2

Andrea Crugnola: 4.33.5 Not easy, humid conditions, so slippery compared to 2019, we are here and you just have to wait for the times of the others
Giandomenico Basso: 4.32.6 we found a bit mixed, even where there was dry asphalt it seemed to slip a bit. Particular condition, even with the car, I did not understand very well
Marco Signor: 4.39.2 Very variable, slippery, it was a long time since I did this test, it was difficult to understand where there was grip and where not
Stefano Albertini: 4.29.7 quite difficult to interpret, corners held well, others with little grip. But everything is ok
Rudy Michelini: 4.33.0 we started with a hard tire and we were sliding a lot
Antonio Rusce: 4.38.8 I saw that he was sliding a lot but quite well, we tried to ride as best we could
Luca Bottarelli: 4: 40.8 quite difficult, he slipped a bit, I struggled a bit but that's okay
Giacomo Scattolon: 4: 42.4 nn so well because the first piece I slept a little, I saw a little damp and I was wrong, then after the first piece better
Marco Pollara: 4.36.1 went well, I forgot to connect the fan and we did the last km with the glass fogged up
Paolo Andreucci: 4.32.9 so slimy, I suffered a bit in the initial part
Thierry Neuville: 4.33.1 all good, it feels quite dirty at times, but overall good
Craig Breen: 4: 29.5 pretty good, maybe wrong with the tires, but it's a pleasure on these tests

[wwbroe]

Breen taking over the lead from Neuville, with Albertini in second overall. Most drivers saying it was more slippery than expected.

[wwbroe]

Starttime stage 3 delayed to 9h03?

[wwbroe]

Crugnola loosing half a minute to Basso on stage 3

[wwbroe]

Strong performance by Albertini on this one

[wwbroe]

And taking the lead, Neuville into second and Andreucci third

Edit: De Tomasso is into third and Andolfi fourth.

[wwbroe]

Crugnola having problem with drive shaft

[Tom206wrc]

Crugnola having problem with drive shaft


Not a good start with Hyundaï :s

[Tom206wrc]

I see him in 3rd position in Rally4, behind Nucita and Lucchesi?


I don't understand why they(EWRC Results)classify Ford Fiesta Rally 4 in R2B and the 208 Rally 4 in R2C...they're the same category :confused:

[dimviii]

next one is a new one if i understand right.Lets see if an unknown stage will be difficult for locals.


SS.4 "Molazzana 1" of 8.68 km at 10:02

04 "It is a special stage, practically unpublished, in this version. It starts immediately outside the town of Gallicano, on the SP 41. The first section up to Molazzana presents a climb with a medium-wide carriageway, where tortuous sections alternate with hairpin bends sometimes fast, where the difference will be guessing the most profitable trajectories. Along the village of Molazzana, the road then becomes narrower and more tortuous, up to the junction on the right in the locality of Fobbia, which again leads to a road of generous dimensions, with long-radius curves, up to Montaltissimo. From here begins the very technical, medium-fast final descent, up to Monteperpoli, where a turn to the right slightly precedes the end of the PS on the SP 43 "

Test starting at 10:02

The sun has conquered the sky, with 10 degrees of temperature

[EstWRC]

How should I look the class where Virves is competing?

This is the way I look it https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68441-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2021/?s=319609&ct=270

[wwbroe]

I think Nucita is in the lead? But it is class R2C apparently. You could have a look at rallylink.it

[wwbroe]

Great time by Neuville on this relative short stage

[dimviii]

next one is a new one if i understand right.Lets see if an unknown stage will be difficult for locals.


Neuville and Breen took 6-7 sec from locals.



ss4 comments


Andrea Crugnola: 6.37.6 I broke a drive shaft, there is little to say
Giandomenico Basso: 6.12.5 we are not far from the leaders but I am not riding as I would like, I have no feeling especially with the front
Marco Signor: 6.12.9 is hard, I chose a tire that was too soft, I made some mistakes on the ps.1 now let's see the next one
Stefano Albertini: 6.12.9 we did very well on the first two, on this one on the first corner we slipped too much and we lost some time
Rudy Michelini: 6.12.2 let's say we were right as setup, I had a lot of fun, good test and challenging
Antonio Rusce: 6.22.3 We made a soft choice, we try to get the right feeling
Luca Bottarelli 6.12.8 this one here a little better also came out a good time.
Giacomo Scattolon: 6.18.2 the first I suffered a little, the second I punctured, on this one I struggled with the new tire, I slipped
Marco Pollara: 6.16.5 punctured front left "it was going well, too bad because we punctured the front left
Paolo Andreucci: 6.13.7 we are getting to know the tires in the race, we are gaining experience
Thierry Neuville: 6.05.9 all right, I found two dogs on the road, I slowed down, the roads are slippery but I am attacking
Craig Breen: 6: 05.3 well enough at least I wasn't wrong. It is difficult, the road is very dirty. Good
Tommaso Ciuffi 6.13.5 we struggled a bit on Careggine, that's okay, we're only in the third race on this car. Experience makes the difference. These were difficult conditions. We try to improve
Andrea Mazzocchi 6.22.9 first lap well, very wet the second, here we started to ride better but there is a lot of margin
Fabio Andolfi: 6.06.3 everything is fine, the tests are beautiful and difficult, the car is fine, I have to get acquainted with the new tires but we are happy
Damiano De Tommaso: 6.06.7

[wwbroe]

Breen even faster, but Neuville taking the overall lead. Very good performances by De Tomasso and Andolfi as well.

[wwbroe]

Disappointed in Mares and Cais, was expecting more from them.

[dimviii]

Breen even faster, but Neuville taking the overall lead. Very good performances by De Tomasso and Andolfi as well.

yeap these 2 were faster from other locals.
Strange results so far from locals.

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/acisporttv/videos/951557602255241/

[dimviii]

live
http://www.acisport.it/it/acisport-service/live-streaming/ita

[dimviii]

Breen off road


ss5
Andrea Crugnola: 4: 28.2 we just have to wait for the others' times, car ok, we have solved
Giandomenico Basso: 4: 30.0 as a better grip than before, but we are still struggling
Marco Signor: 4: 34.1 a little better even if I found it very slippery, I took a risk, but we are here everything ok
Stefano Albertini: 4: 27.0 honestly I have very mixed feelings, it has cleaned but it is still very slippery
michelini 5Rudy Michelini: 4: 33.0 we almost turned around, we also touched, not well (it is without rear bumper)
Antonio Rusce: 4: 34.5 better, we raised almost 5 sec compared to before, it looks better
Luca Bottarelli: 4: 33.9 I don't know, maybe a little better than before, but I felt like I had a puncture in front
Giacomo Scattolon: 4: 33.5 a little better, more confidence but we could have done better
Marco Pollara: he went off the road (overturned). OK crew
Paolo Andreucci: 4: 33.5 everything is fine, we are trying a few different compounds. We take data
Thierry Neuville: 4: 27.0 slips a lot, I felt like I had a puncture
Craig Breen: he rolled over towards the end of the test. OK crew
Tommaso Ciuffi: 4: 30.7 a little better, we have made some changes and continue our apprenticeship
Andrea Mazzocchi: 4: 41.9 punctured front left "we punctured in a corner at the last km. Too bad, we were doing well. I'm sorry a lot, unfortunately that's the way it is
Fabio Andolfi: 4.30.3 improved test, I'm having fun, we're happy
Damiano De Tommaso: 4.29.9 this test is not very good. I thought I had a puncture, I wasted time I was cautious
Alessio Profeta: 4.31.4 everything is fine, we are improving, the car responds well

[wwbroe]

Neuville building a small lead to Albertini, still very good times for Andolfi and De Tomasso

[Mirek]

Big crash for Breen.

From ewrc.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/68441_158147137_429559334787837_178040083598613179 3_n.jpg

[Mirek]

I don't understand why they(EWRC Results)classify Ford Fiesta Rally 4 in R2B and the 208 Rally 4 in R2C...they're the same category :confused:

They are not per Italian rules.

Anyway R2B and R2C are subcategories of R2 per FIA R-class rules (now replaced by the new Rally1-5 ones) and the meaning is that B has smaller engine capacity but also weight while C has larger engine and weight.

From that it looks like the Italians keep lower weight for Fiesta R2T unlike 2021 Rally4 rules which put the weight of both B and C car to the same level.

[wwbroe]

Stage 7 was delayed by 45 minutes to clear the road from accidents during first pass. Besttime for Neuville but only with 0,8 margin

[ictus]

From that it looks like the Italians keep lower weight for Fiesta R2T unlike 2021 Rally4 rules which put the weight of both B and C car to the same level.
I wonder if they are running with turbo restrictors when?

[Mirek]

Camponaro from ewrc, masive crash.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/68441_160891620_278370120331810_299172089957712182 4_n.jpg

[Ucci]

Besttime for Neuville but only with 0,8 margin

Yes, the local guys are not so far behind WRC star....

[Mirek]

Disappointed in Mares and Cais, was expecting more from them.

I don't know why but they have also very bad starting position.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big crash for Breen.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwXNj-qWYAAXzk-?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

Yes, the local guys are not so far behind WRC star....

we had a discussion before some time about how competitive is the Italians at their home.

[Mirek]

It's a lot about driving the same stages over and over again in the local championships. It's nearly everywhere the same when foreigners come to unknown events for them (in countries with strong local rally scene). In the events where foreigners already have some experience the local dominance usually vanishes even though they sure keep respectable level (Sardegna, Rome, Sanremo).

[dimviii]

Mirek there was a stage that they hadnt run the locals,i was waiting the wrc stars to took there a signifigant difference,but it didnt happened.Surprised me too.
first pass
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68441-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2021/?s=319610

second pass
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68441-rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio-2021/?s=319613

[Mirek]

It's not only about pacenotes. Each events has somewhat specific character and what makes the difference is things like more perfect setup when you come for the second or third time. You have better experience about how to select tyres, how they get worn, how not to overheat brakes etc.

[Jarek Z]

we had a discussion before some time about how competitive is the Italians at their home.

Yes, we did. And this rally confirms my theory, that Italy doesn't have any big young talents at the moment. They lost on their home ground again.

[EstWRC]

solid debut from Virves, much experience gained which is the most important.


any word what exactly happened with Breen?

[Ucci]

They lost on their home ground again.

Hey, but lost again WRC star, somebodoy who was x-times vice world champion. It would be disgraceful if they would be beaten on home ground by drivers like Kopecky, Neubauer, Bonato, Lopez...this is huge diference.

[dimviii]

Yes, we did. And this rally confirms my theory, that Italy doesn't have any big young talents at the moment. They lost on their home ground again.

we didnt talked about talents,we just talked if Italians have a competitive championship.
And as you saw your opinion was totally stupid.
Breen rolled while 5th,and Neuville won Albertini after 93 stage km with 22,7 sec.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwYQSx8XMAI7M3j?format=jpg&name=900x900

[cali]

Guys Neuville was on a i20 R5 against Polo's and Fabia's. As much as br21 (all the respect) and other guys are telling me about the competiveness of the i20 this rally to me confirms that the current i20 R5 is not close to the Skoda's and VW's.

For example Gryazin was so off the pace with the Hyundai and really on it with the Polo. Hyundai by any means is not a bad car but I'll presume more difficult to set up and drive.

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[mknight]

Italian and other smooth tarmac champions (Spain, Portugal) is actually one of the few where the i20 R5 has almost always been somewhat competetive.

That said I agree it's probably a bit worse than some other cars, especially when it's slippery.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://youtu.be/_xPaZDpXozQ

[PLuto]

Guys Neuville was on a i20 R5 against Polo's and Fabia's. As much as br21 (all the respect) and other guys are telling me about the competiveness of the i20 this rally to me confirms that the current i20 R5 is not close to the Skoda's and VW's.

For example Gryazin was so off the pace with the Hyundai and really on it with the Polo. Hyundai by any means is not a bad car but I'll presume more difficult to set up and drive.

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It is not only about car, but also about team. And of course about setup.

[dimviii]

On a video posted on Instagram, he said: “We picked up a puncture on the front-right on a fast right corner followed immediately by a left that tightened and the moment I turned for the left the tire just kicked off the bead and we were passengers from that point.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuville-wins-italian-asphalt-rally-but-breen-rolls/

[cali]

It is not only about car, but also about team. And of course about setup. So basically only Huttunen has been able to use i20 potential?

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[Jarek Z]

Hey, but lost again WRC star, somebodoy who was x-times vice world champion. It would be disgraceful if they would be beaten on home ground by drivers like Kopecky, Neubauer, Bonato, Lopez...this is huge diference.

Yes, of course. I agree. I don't blame them. Neuville is one of the best drivers in the world.

[Jarek Z]

And as you saw your opinion was totally stupid.

Oh, thank you! How nice of you!
Can't you find any more appropriate words in your vocabulary? Don't you find calling someone's opinion stupid, only because it's different than yours, a little childish?

[Mirek]

So basically only Huttunen has been able to use i20 potential?

I20 have been pretty successful in Spain.

Didn't really wanted to click on like, I did it instead of quote but that doesn't matter :)

[cali]

I20 have been pretty successful in Spain.

Didn't really wanted to click on like, I did it instead of quote but that doesn't matter :)Ha yes, got the like :)
I'm not by any means bashing i20 and on the contrary I'm all about more competitive machinery.

But for me at least the amount of Fabia's and Polo's in the itinerary is insane. And that's for a reason as I'm pretty sure these are the cars the teams and drivers trust the most.

Also M-Sport's Fiesta's have fallen quite behind on popularity and speed.

Btw that itinerary and the competition was great. Also it was really good that Thierry got a really good resistance from the local guys. I wish we had more Italians in the WRC2/WRC3

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[dimviii]

Oh, thank you! How nice of you!
Can't you find any more appropriate words in your vocabulary? Don't you find calling someone's opinion stupid, only because it's different than yours, a little childish?

sorry cant find any other word to describe your opinion after this rally,when it was clear that Italians have a big competition championship.
Just to remind that Crugnola had a new car that didnt manage to find the right setup, Campedelli was absent,and Ucci wasn t at competitive tyres.
Three of the fastest Italians of last years,were not at fight for various reasons.
After that we had Albertini(slower from above 3) with some 7seconds difference before he eased at last loop as he couldnt catch Neville and didnt want to risk the first position at CIR.

[Mirek]

Ha yes, got the like :)
I'm not by any means bashing i20 and on the contrary I'm all about more competitive machinery.

But for me at least the amount of Fabia's and Polo's in the itinerary is insane. And that's for a reason as I'm pretty sure these are the cars the teams and drivers trust the most.

Also M-Sport's Fiesta's have fallen quite behind on popularity and speed.

Btw that itinerary and the competition was great. Also it was really good that Thierry got a really good resistance from the local guys. I wish we had more Italians in the WRC2/WRC3

I agree that I20 or Fiesta aren't on the same level as Fabia or Polo overall but I think that the difference in speed in one event is really small and it is possible to make I20 or Fiesta competitive. IMHO it plays bigger role in international championships where cars like Fabia or Polo are more universal and simply work everywhere and especially Fabia is also more reliable than its competitors.

[EstWRC]

Breen crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXpwI2OASpY

[Mirek]

The FR puncture is clearly visible.

[Neige]

A little writing about last weekend. Also short notice about Suzuki Swift Sport Hybrid cars

https://rally-week.com/rally-il-ciocco-e-valle-del-serchio/

[Ucci]

An astonished entry list for Rally Sanremo:

https://www.rallylink.it/pdf/2021/sanremo.pdf

Almost 50x R5 cars, among them Oliver Solberg, Breen, Ingram, Lefebvre...and of course whole bunch of Italian top-drivers.....
Neuville & Tanak in WRC cars...

[dimviii]

Planetemarcus
@planetemarcus
#WRC #CIR @nicolasgilsoul
return as codriver job during Rally Sanremo next week-end alongside Paul-Antoine Santon with VW Polo R5 ► https://bit.ly/3mfRKMa

[AnttiL]

Ingram not starting

https://twitter.com/chrisingramgb/status/1378704022971027459?s=21

[Jarek Z]

An astonished entry list for Rally Sanremo:

https://www.rallylink.it/pdf/2021/sanremo.pdf

Almost 50x R5 cars, among them Oliver Solberg, Breen, Ingram, Lefebvre...and of course whole bunch of Italian top-drivers.....
Neuville & Tanak in WRC cars...

Add to that Albertini, Basso, Andolfi, Signor, Crugnola, Campedelli, Chentre, Pietarinen... What a great entry list indeed! :roll:

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_04_2021/post-157-0-45708100-1617623233.jpg

[Kenneth]

Eric Cais won't start because of post-covid syndromes, he will miss Croatia too

[Jarek Z]

Craig Breen is testing HYUNDAI i20 R5 before RALLYE SANREMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBishdSXgs0

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyYB3aXWQAEMfDS?format=jpg&name=900x900

[dimviii]

Santoni Gilsoul testing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyYionbXAAAzQtP?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyYtjazXIAMqigQ?format=jpg&name=large

[Ucci]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyYtjazXIAMqigQ?format=jpg&name=large

I'm very happy for Simone & Tania.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EydlqnaXEAM5uYb?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EydlMK5WEAsPNCy?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Opens&Tightens
@OpensTightens
.@CIRally
#SanremoRally PETs feat. @OliverSolberg01
@EerikPietarinen
@KristenssonTom
& @FilipMaresRally


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyb90HhWQAEida8?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyb93A7XIAIcc8i?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyb955mWgAAXMhI?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyb9713WgBcRnnF?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Jarek Z]

Quentin Gilbert:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/sanremo_giov_mod/DSC09314.JPG

[Jarek Z]

How about some historic cars? I like this one:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/Sanremo_giov_sto/210.JPG

[Jarek Z]

And this Saab too:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/Sanremo_giov_sto/DSC09312.JPG
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/Sanremo_giov_sto/DSC09311.JPG

[EstWRC]

How about some historic cars? I like this one:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images/gallery/Sanremo_giov_sto/210.JPG

my eyes!!!

[EstWRC]

shakedown times https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/68442-rallye-sanremo-2021/

[EstWRC]

shakedown videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzRIJxhbXTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWiIyksYGkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki5w7QKwROI

[Mirek]

Do the Italian Rally4 run with or without restrictor? I mean... they were clerarly faster than Rally3 of Kristenson on the shakedown and I'd like to know if that is both in FIA configuration.

[pantealex]

Do the Italian Rally4 run with or without restrictor? I mean... they were clerarly faster than Rally3 of Kristenson on the shakedown and I'd like to know if that is both in FIA configuration.

True.

But Kristensson has only 1 time and it´s shakedown, maybe he didn´t push...

[br21]

There is really almost zero difference with or without restrictor. Especially on those slower, more twisty stages.
And for me quite clear that on such stages Rally4 cars will be faster.

[Tom206wrc]

Also Kristensson never ran in Sanremo me thinks :confused:

[wyler]

Do the Italian Rally4 run with or without restrictor? I mean... they were clerarly faster than Rally3 of Kristenson on the shakedown and I'd like to know if that is both in FIA configuration.

if you compare the first pass, only 1 rally4 is faster (and not that clearly)

[Mirek]

There is really almost zero difference with or without restrictor. Especially on those slower, more twisty stages.
And for me quite clear that on such stages Rally4 cars will be faster.

I expect Rally4 to be faster too, I just wanted to be sure about the Rally4 configuration.

I also agree that I didn't notice any reasonable difference in our first championship event related to the restrictor isued to Rally4. They seemed to be on the same speed level as last year.

[EstWRC]

here you can also see the SD times of Tänak etc, srcoll down http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Ym9keV9zdGFnZXRpbWVzLmFzcD9wX0Fubm89 MjAyMSZwX0NvZGljZT05MCZwX01hbmlmZXN0YXppb25lPTQmcF 9HYXJhPTEmcF9MaW5ndWE9SVRB

[Got Mail]

Is there any live coverage from Sanremo?

[PLuto]

Is there any live coverage from Sanremo?

Live SS 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X44yxhegTM

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EymXhpWXIAAtQ59?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EynM3VzWUAMBwQQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is there any live coverage from Sanremo?

Also: https://www.raisport.rai.it/dirette.html?date=10-04-2021

and: http://www.acisport.it/it/acisport-service/live-streaming/ita

[Rallyper]

Increasing rain seems to be negative for Oliver. + 5 secs on Breen.

Des condiziones molto dificiles..

[Rallyper]

Don´t really get the starting order...

[wyler]

Don´t really get the starting order...

tv

[mknight]

Nice SD times from Loubet who is still driving same weird aero like last WRC rounds. (Unlike Solberg who had factory spec aero in arctic). Sure aero doesn't matter here but question is if old aero also means that other parts are different.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/YnT5-aHtiNg

https://youtu.be/fDbmIfiQzUE

[Mirek]

Sure aero doesn't matter here but question is if old aero also means that other parts are different.

It does matter.

For your information a tiny student formula car is able to deliver around 60 kg of downforce at 80 km/h.

[dimviii]

Do the Italian Rally4 run with or without restrictor? I mean... they were clerarly faster than Rally3 of Kristenson on the shakedown and I'd like to know if that is both in FIA configuration.

https://twitter.com/msportpoland/status/1380956460012740610

[Mirek]

https://twitter.com/msportpoland/status/1380956460012740610

IMO that's not shakedown but SS1.

[EstWRC]

Morning

i see all stage are delayed by 10 minutes http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Ym9keV9zY2hlZHVsZS5hc3A/cF9Bbm5vPTIwMjEmcF9Db2RpY2U9OTAmcF9NYW5pZmVzdGF6aW 9uZT01JnN0aWNheXlpPTImcF9MaW5ndWE9SVRB


and it seems its wet, at least in service park as i saw from Tänaks instagram