Italian Rally News

[dimviii]

friday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLITIYSxlxQ

incar Ucci
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8btJRT3ZXEs

incar Rossetti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4koGC89_Ig

[dimviii]

nice time in ss3 from Araujo.Anybody knows what changes thiw X R4 has ?
http://www.monzanet.it/it/realtime/DDDA202.HTM

[Tom206wrc]

D'Aste ahead of Ucci :mad:

[Barreis]

Circuit racing..

[Ucci]

Impressive stage times from Felice Re-he is holding third position, first theree are C4's, same story as in the WRC.....

[Tom206wrc]

So with one stage left to go(before end of 2nd leg - after SS6)we have:
WRC: Sordo-Capello-Re
S2000: Ucci-Oppizzi-Villa
GT: D'Aste-Forato-Brega

What happened to Rox ??? :mark:

Edit: great race from Araujo with the new Mitsu R4 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo won Monza Rally Show ahead of Capello and Longhi :cool:
What happened to Re in the last stage(he was virtually third before retirement) :confused:

Fantistic victory in GT and 4th overall for D'Aste in his amazing Lotus ;)
About Ucci, well, guess what ??? :D
Very promising result for the new Mitsubishi Lancer EvoX in R4 class with Armindo Araujo(9th ovrall) :up:

[Ucci]

First I must congratulate to Dani Sordo, it is a small consolation for his not-so-successful WRC season, specialy the decision taken by Quesnel at the end that Sordo must pay for his future at Citroën...but that is another story.
Andrucci beat so many WRCs, yust the proof that he is in his life form. Unfortunately F.Re got some troubles with the engine in his C4 (smoke from the engine department), but better now as later at the final race in Fabaria-do not forget, TRA is still not decided yet, Re and Pedersoli are on the equal points....
But, could anybody explain to me, what happend on the penultimum stage between Re and Longhi-I've read on Italian forum about some racing ''misunderstanding'' between them, Re was very angry later over Longhi in the interview.....
At the end-yust the weather was so bad.....

[dimviii]

veeeery interesting video with speed gun.Watch km/h in left hand corner in Sordo C4 and some lotus exiges also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl0_JHPK1Qg

[urabus-denoS2000]

Just to show the level of competiton in Italy .... ;)

http://www.giessepromotion.it/cms/attachments/083_elenco%20iscritti_0004.pdf

[Ucci]

Just to show the level of competiton in Italy .... ;)

http://www.giessepromotion.it/cms/attachments/083_elenco%20iscritti_0004.pdf

According to this list no more global crisis in Italy anymore.....This will ne pure spectacle, worth to see....

[Ucci]

The decision who will be TRA champion this year will be definitely the last decison in the Europe out of any championships....As we in the central Europe have a lot to deal with snow on the roads, on the warm Sicilian roads the battle between two ''giants'' Felice Re and Luca Pedersoli will take place.
Here is the entry list:
http://www.fabariarally.it/2010/rally/iscritti/elenco-iscritti-2010.pdf

Very special gift present from Felice Re to his son Alessandro-the young one will for the first time drive Xsara WRC. Quite a step from a small C2 Max. I hope this will also bring luck to Felice.....

[Tom206wrc]

Juha Kankkunen in a Ford Focus WRC at the Prealpi Mastershow ;)
Note young and promising driver Eddie Sciessere(usually on wheels of a Clio S1600)for the first time driving a...whale :p :

http://www.prealpimastershow.net/12/

[Ucci]

Sad news from Sicily-rally Fabaria is canceled!
In the moment it is not clear, who the champion will be, because both Re and Pedersoli have equal points...Some say Pede is a champion (has one victory more), others are in favour of Re, because he won the last rally and accordind to the championship the last race should be with coefficient 1,5.

[Ondra WRC]

Sad news from Sicily-rally Fabaria is canceled!
why? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Nooooooo :mad: :(

[Tom206wrc]

Officially announced at Bologna Motorshow this week, Ucci and Peugeot Italia for CIR 2011 again :bounce:

Big worry around Abarth, Basso and Rox though...silence from everyone, rumour of the drivers quitting Fiat,... :s

Tomorrow is the Trofeo S2000 of the Bologna Motorshow :cool:
http://live.perugiatiming.com/motorshow/

[Tom206wrc]

Paolo Andreucci won the first race of the Trofeo S2000 at the Bologna Motorshow :cool:
But a certain Simone Campedelli on identical car(from Racing Lions)offered huge resistance and fails for almost nothing :eek: could be interesting if in 2011 he drives that car on more events than programmed Monte-Carlo :)

Mikkelsen took part to the event in the Skoda in "preparation" of IRC 2011 and Aghini drove a Ford Fiesta S2000 ;)

Tomorrow 2nd race of the Trofeo S2000...

Note that in same time started the Findomestic Memorial Bettega for WRC, with Solberg brothers, Ogier, Hirvonen, Bugalski, Perico... :D

[Tom206wrc]

François Delecour is leading the Driver Rally Show by a margin o 22" after SS4 ahead of Claudio de Cecco and Nicola Patuzzo ;)
http://www.scuderiacar.it/driver10/index.htm

[Ucci]

[ Mikkelsen took part to the event in the Skoda in "preparation" of IRC 2011 and Aghini drove a Ford Fiesta S2000 ;)

Aghini signed a contract with Errepi to drive Fiesta S2000 next season in TRT (Trofeo Rally Terra)-gravel championship. The old guy does not want to gave up....

[[Madeira-Rally]]

[ Mikkelsen took part to the event in the Skoda in "preparation" of IRC 2011 and Aghini drove a Ford Fiesta S2000 ;)

Aghini signed a contract with Errepi to drive Fiesta S2000 next season in TRT (Trofeo Rally Terra)-gravel championship. The old guy does not want to gave up....

That's great news... :)

Aghini is Back

[wwbroe]

Second run in S2000 Trophy in Bologna motorshow has been won by Mikkelsen who beated Capedelli in final. In semi-final he beated also Andreucci, who took finally third place against Navarra. ;)

[Ucci]

Rally ''Il Ciocchetto'' this week-end: R.Kubica in an old Clio Williams A7!!! He really enjoys spending every spare time rallying!!!
http://www.cioccocentromotori.it/eventi/2010_12_rally_ciocchetto/ElencoIscritti_CIO10.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Can't believe my eyes Kubica is leading Ciocchetto after SS3 in front of Travaglia :eek: :eek:

[Barreis]

Results link?

[havk]

http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2010&p_Codice=316&p_Manifestazione=22

[urabus-denoS2000]

http://rally.ficr.it/tab_stagetimes.asp?p_Anno=2010&p_Codice=316&p_Manifestazione=22&p_Gara=1&p_ProvaSpeciale=3

3rd is N3 , all faster than Rox ? Weird results , snow maybe ?

[wwbroe]

What happened with Robert Kubica, i don't see him after stage 6 :eek: :confused:

[darkstar]

i guess the stage was either cancelled or the livetiming broke down. when you look on stage 7, kubica didnt start, and the driver before him also not and all others behind also didnt start.

[dimviii]

@ rallylink forum i read that Kubica had transmission problems? :rolleyes:

any Italian mates to enlighten us?

Kubica ha toccato un muretto con danni alla trasmissione...ho sentito ora Giuliano..non pensano di ripartire domani

[wwbroe]

Apparently Kubica hit a wall and damaged the transmission in doing so. Seems like they will not restart tomorrow neither. :(

[dimviii]

Apparently Kubica hit a wall and damaged the transmission in doing so. Seems like they will not restart tomorrow neither. :(
thanks wwbroe :)

[Ucci]

Few days ago CSAI (Italian Automobile Club) finnaly decided, who is the champion of 2010 TRA championship. It is Luca Pedersoli, as I already wrote he collected the same number of points as F.Re, but he won one race more than Re.
From my point of view it is not fair, because the last race (rally Fabaria) was canceled (and it had the coefficient 1,5), so this coefficient 1,5 should be automatically transferred to the last rally, which was carried out already in summer-and this rally was won by F.Re.
With this calculation no doubts about champion would occure.
But as with all the decisions taken on the table, one remains with empty hands....
I hope Felice Re will not lose his motivation and will carry on driving WRC's also in next season. For me he is still the champion !!

[Wim_Impreza]

IMO when both have the same points, in almost every championship they look to who won the most events. I find Pedersoli a good champion.

[Mirek]

Yes, I agree. In my opinion it's fair decision. It would be very unfair to change points of penultimate events after it was finished. Everyone must know rules before start of the rally not after it's finished.

[Ucci]

Short video of Andreucci's test week ago on the Sicily. The purpose was to test new tires as it is shown....also Anna is wearing Pirelli's overall. But whay did they forget to install rear bumper???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqPsYt1na-M

[Raven]

Short video of Andreucci's test week ago on the Sicily. The purpose was to test new tires as it is shown....also Anna is wearing Pirelli's overall. But whay did they forget to install rear bumper???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqPsYt1na-M
Terrible video, boring as hell. Standing on the start/finish line will not make a good one.

Maybe the rear bumber was off to lower the costs (I doubt it) or not to make problens during tests? They like to fly away very often in P207s. Also access to rear tyres is better.

[Mirek]

Yes, it's because the bumper is easy to destroy. It's quite often to test without it ;)

[FabiaFan]

...anything new? If Basso with a Peugeot at Monte (rumour), then probably not with Skoda in CIR as expected (rumoured)... who else? I believe Kopecky concentrates on IRC this year... and an Italian driver would be better for the promotional purposes anyway... I think it also depends on whether Abarth factory team yes or no this year...

[vino_93]

Will Signor continue with Skoda italia ?

[PLuto]

...anything new? If Basso with a Peugeot at Monte (rumour), then probably not with Skoda in CIR as expected (rumoured)... who else? I believe Kopecky concentrates on IRC this year... and an Italian driver would be better for the promotional purposes anyway... I think it also depends on whether Abarth factory team yes or no this year...

Basso's start on Motne isnt important for decisions about CIR. Skoda Italy has list of good drivers to choose one or two for CIR.

[Ucci]

The Italian web site rallylink has published results of on-line selection for the Italian rally personality of the year 2010 (Il Personaggio del Rally 2010). The winner is Robert Kubica, with small lag second place won Luca Pedersoli.
The greatest young hope is according to Italian web site Andrea Crungola.
Congratulations to both of them!!

[RS]

What is Luca Rossetti going to do this year?

[PLuto]

I am sure that his programme for season 2011 will be presented soon ;)

[Ucci]

Rossetti was seen at Monte Carlo as one of the ice-spy for one of the Skoda team driver. Maybe this is a hint for his future????

Second very important information: TRA champion Luca Pedersoli will drive in this season C4 WRC !!!

http://www.rallyemotion.it/news/508-tra-luca-pedersoli-difende-il-titolo-con-la-c4-wrc

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end is Exporally in Italy, and traditionally many drivers/teams present their program there ;)

[tolis]

Piero Longhi will drive a Mini in the Italian championship this year! ;)

[Mirek]

In TRT ;)

[FabiaFan]

Rossetti was seen at Monte Carlo as one of the ice-spy for one of the Skoda team driver. Maybe this is a hint for his future????


Looking forward to this! If not Galli :-D I'd prefere him...

[morganmilan]

Piero Longhi will drive a Mini in the Italian championship this year! ;)
I suppose a superproduction one, or maybe a WRC?

[RS]

Looking forward to this! If not Galli :-D I'd prefere him...

I'd prefer Rossetti.

Any news on this?

[urabus-denoS2000]

SP , because WRCs are not allowed in TRT

[Ucci]

Piero Longhi will drive a Mini in the Italian championship this year! ;)
Where did you find this information ??? It's a bit strange to me, as he signed last year a two year contract with Twister Corse for P207S2000....

[Mirek]

He will stay with Twister ;)

[Ucci]

He will stay with Twister ;)
Oooouuu, so Twister will own a Mini SP !! Good for them&Longhi !! I hope Longhi will have more luck with this car as with P207 last season.
But he will miss one or two events, as Mini will not be homologated before first two events in TRT!!

[RICARDO75]

Oooouuu, so Twister will own a Mini SP !! Good for them&Longhi !! I hope Longhi will have more luck with this car as with P207 last season.
But he will miss one or two events, as Mini will not be homologated before first two events in TRT!!

Mini's homologation should be in March.
If Daniel Oliveira will be in the Rally of Portugal with the new Mini, the first round of the TRT it's on the next weekend (April 3).

[urabus-denoS2000]

Kubica driving a Fabia S2000 this weekend on Ronde di Andora :)

[dimviii]

wow interesting!
any other good s2k entries?

[RS]

Whose Fabia will Kubica use?

[Mirek]

DP Autosport probably

[Jarek Z]

From Exporally exhibition... New car for Luca Pedersoli:
http://www.rallylink.it/news/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&page=inline&id=5983&Itemid=450

and Umberto Scandola:
http://www.rallylink.it/news/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&page=inline&id=6030&Itemid=450

[Jarek Z]

wow interesting!
any other good s2k entries?

The entry list for Ronde di Andora can be found here:
http://www.rallyshots.it/RST/docs/rondeandora11/elenco.pdf

[urabus-denoS2000]

17 FA7 Williams .... nice :)

I think Kubica wins this one on cruising mode

[Jarek Z]

17 FA7 Williams .... nice :)

I also like those cars very much. Did you notice that one of them will be driven by a top Italian driver from a few years ago, Luca Cantamessa?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yes , very interesting how Cantaluka will go . He's a great driver and a great guy :) The FA7 Clio is my all-time favourite racing car ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Not a great first start in S2000 for Kubica !!! Looks like he crashed on SS1 rally di Andora this morning :s

[Bartek]

Yes, he is in the hospital. This can be his last rally in this year......

[modri dirkac]

Yes, he is in the hospital. This can be his last rally in this year......

I hope not! :(

[stepunk]

I think this could be his last rally until his F1 carrer will be over...
But first of all I wish him a fast recovery. News are not good and talks about several fractures.

[Ucci]

According to the last news Robert suffered several fractures. After the crash he was conscious, his co-driver is unhurt.

http://www.savonanews.it/2011/02/06/leggi-notizia/argomenti/cronaca-2/articolo/andora-robert-kubica-coinvolto-in-un-incidente-nelle-prove-del-rally.html

I'm waiting for further informations.

[darkstar]

oh man, this is really shi*. i hope it´s not so bad as it sounds!

[Salist]

It's a bad news! :(

[Mirek]

Czech media reports serious internal injuries and multiple fractures of hand :(

[darkstar]

german media´s too. they even say the hand is so extrmely damaged, that the doctors think about a amputation of the hand... :(

[wwbroe]

That doesn't sound so good, hopefully it is not so serious. Let's hope for some good news soon.

[Francis44]

Not good news indeed :( . I hope the best for him.

[Bartek]

I've got info:
Co-drive has got broken finger....

[piquet20]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorcarg/sets/72157625987569490/detail/

[Juha_Koo]

Just saw a very disturbing video in Youtube which was a collection of photos... Kubica was intubated which is not a very good sign imho... :(

[dimviii]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorcarg/sets/72157625987569490/detail/

οh my god...

[dimviii]

Just saw a very disturbing video in Youtube which was a collection of photos... Kubica was intubated which is not a very good sign imho... :(
link?

[alleskids]

It was even before the rally started for Kubica. He was on his way to SS1. Makes it even stranger, if he was on high speed. Too late for the start, or warming up the tyres?

[Mirek]

I read on Italian websites that it was on 4,6th kilometer of the stage in a town of Testico. You can see on a map that it is in stage: http://www.rallyshots.it/RST/docs/rondeandora11/mappa.jpg

[Juha_Koo]

It was even before the rally started for Kubica. He was on his way to SS1. Makes it een stranger, if he was on high speed. Too late for the start, or warming up the tyres?

Source?

This can't be true, atleast I got the impression that the chopper landed to the stage by looking Cargiolli's photos...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

I also red the version Mirek wrote....

[RICARDO75]

Very bad news.

[dimviii]

http://static.ivg.it/photogallery/albums/userpics/10002/362/normal_14.jpg

[Juha_Koo]

http://static.ivg.it/photogallery/albums/userpics/10002/362/normal_14.jpg

Alternative URL. http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7140/normal14d.jpg

[alleskids]

many sites (suddenly all newssites have an autosport reporter) reporting it was before the start. I found it hard to beleive, during the rally makes much more logical

[dimviii]

Alternative URL. http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7140/normal14d.jpg

damn it is very strange cause fabia haven t got so big damage

[piquet20]

latest news from italian media (automatic translation)

SAVONA - Robert Kubica is now undergoing surgery at the hospital Santa Corona in Pietra Ligure. Doctors are taking action on the Polish, whose conditions are serious but not enough to threaten the survival metterene, and issued a medical report to the intervention ended, at around 14: for now we know for sure that the pilot reported "multiple trauma" In particular to a leg (probably to the femur), and arm and right hand. Poland, the father insists, however, in pointing out that the 26 year old is not life threatening.

While waiting for a clear picture of the situation, let's recap what happened to the unfortunate bearer of the Lotus Renault GP: around 8:35, few kilometers after the start of the first special stage of the Ronde of Andover, Kubica lost control in a sudden Joint-fast, in San Lorenzo, in the municipality of Testico, undergoing a violent impact. As the navigator Jakub Gerber is immediately released from the cockpit without consequence, Kubica is trapped in the Skoda Fabia S2000, timely medical attention and firefighters, who estrettato the former bishop of the BMW with all the necessary precautions . Kubica was flown by helicopter to the hospital Santa Corona in Pietra Ligure.


automatic translation

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/img_news/big/10552_foto:_facebook_5538a52480.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=10552

[Mirek]

damn it is very strange cause fabia haven t got so big damage

When I look closely on the photo I think I can see cut rollcage (main rollbar and it's diagonals) to evacuate driver in seat through rear door. You know that main rollbar is cca in the middle of the rear door in Fabia...

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/428/kubica.jpg

[piquet20]

press conf. 16h

[Juha_Koo]

Look at the driver's door's front edge. Looks like it's been pierced by a guardrail...

[Rallyper]

For me those tarmac rallies is far more dangerous than anything. Car can be out of handle in just a 0,001 sec. And the conseqvensies are then far worse. I know this sounds a bit naiv, but I´ve always looked att tarmacrallies as potential death.

Let´s hope RK not suffers and will be back soon!

[Mirek]

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,9060482,Powazny_wypadek_Kubicy_w_rajdzie_R onde_di_Andora_.html

This sounds a bit more positive. They quote Leszek Kuzaj who is said to be in permanent contact with Jakub Gerber (besides Kubica also Kuzaj's co-driver). Kuzaj told newspaper that the information about possible hand amputation is unreasonable. He confirmed fractures of legs and said that Robert is currently undergoing various examinations to find possible internal injuries such as magnetic-resonance.

[Juha_Koo]

More pictures of the car: http://gallery.ru/watch?a=Cp7-f3er

[Juha_Koo]

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,9060482,Powazny_wypadek_Kubicy_w_rajdzie_R onde_di_Andora_.html

This sounds a bit more positive. They quote Leszek Kuzaj who is said to be in permanent contact with Jakub Gerber (besides Kubica also Kuzaj's co-driver). Kuzaj told newspaper that the information about possible hand amputation is unreasonable. He confirmed fractures of legs and said that Robert is currently undergoing various examinations to find possible internal injuries such as magnetic-resonance.

This is unconfirmed information but Mauro Moreno had said that a guardrail had penetrated Kubica's leg.

EDIT. Video showing the car's damage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78smQo6ZRk8 Look at 0:21 onwards... :S

[HarriK]

This is unconfirmed information but Mauro Moreno had said that a guardrail had penetrated Kubica's leg.

EDIT. Video showing the car's damage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78smQo6ZRk8 Look at 0:21 onwards... :S


Looks very bad... :eek:
guardrail has done maybe very serious injuries...

[Mirek]

Ufff, the damage inside the car on the video looks really terrible.

[Salist]

Other link with photos:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=hu&sl=en&u=http://www.f1arab.com/2011/02/06/kubica-hospitalised-after-rally-crash/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkubica%2Brally%2Bcrash%26hl%3Dhu%26pr md%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.hu&usg=ALkJrhg2E_tEAWnUVfZRIsfKCuva_Xy6ng

[N.O.T]

damn....wish him the best he was the best ambassador F1 had in our sport...hope his career is not affected and see him soon in Both tracks and special stages.

[OldF]

Oh s**t, bad news. Hope he will be OK. There’s nothing left of the interior.

[PLuto]

Daniel Morelli, Robert’s manager, will be available for the press in front of the hospital emergency entrance at 16:30 CET (15:30 GMT).

[HarriK]

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b3979.htm i think this is poland tv live...

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sport.pl/F1/1,96398,9060482,Powazny_wypadek_Kubicy_w_rajdzie_R onde_di_Andora_.html&rurl=translate.google.fi&usg=ALkJrhg2-ZHCY_VmUR6HJXr8jVTbNcMN0A (http://translate.google.fi/translate?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazeta.pl%2F0%2C0.html)

[urabus-denoS2000]

He was the best thing that happened to rallying in the last 10 years , such a shame if it would end like this . Hopefully he will have a full recovery and continue to rule the F1 tracks !

[wwbroe]

According to his manager, they suceeded to stop all internal bleeding and he also comfirmed that they didn't amputate his hand. This sounds allready little bit better. Hopefully a speedy recovery for Robert.

[urabus-denoS2000]

According to his manager, they suceeded to stop all internal bleeding and he also comfirmed that they didn't amputate his hand. This sounds allready little bit better. Hopefully a speedy recovery for Robert.

This is hopefully the final situation ... Wish a speedy recovery for the Rally King

[Mirek]

According to press information surgeons continue surgery of Robert's right hand which is expected to be finished around 8 p.m. Daniel Morelli confirmed that they didn't need to amputate the hand but they couldn't say how much the functionality would be affected.

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/9062/z9062212X.jpg

[Salist]

I hope with Robert will be everything OK!

[Motorsportfun]

Another bulletin from Hospital will be released about 8:30/9:00 pm

[dimviii]

guys any news about Roberts health?

[piquet20]

VERY IMPORTANT NEWS FROM LOCAL MEDIA

shortly after 21, after seven hours , complex surgery was concluded in Santa Corona di Pietra Ligure on the Formula One driver Robert Kubica, involved in a serious accident this morning at the rally "Ronde di Andora. " Just out of surgery, Professor Igor Rossello has commented on the action: "The patient reported two major injuries, but about the action performed by me, I can say that we managed to retrieve the limb. Now, what we can do is wait, the patient is hospitalized in intensive care, of course it cannot be excluded that in case of complications, new interventions might be needed .

While the chief surgeon of the hand of the San Paolo di Savona operated on the upper limb of Kubica, a second team took care of the leg, groped again to reform the severe trauma reported nell'icidente, occurred 12 hours now ago.

Robert Kubica will now be recovering at the hospital Santa Corona in the intensive care unit for at least five days. The prognosis, at least for the moment, is absolutely secure. To questions from reporters, addressed to Professor Rossello on the possible return to the track of Kubica, the specialist said: "It is not for me to make, but I can say that for the rehabilitation of the limb will take at least a year


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[dimviii]

thanks piquet20.

[N.O.T]

i guess we must be happy that he survived and he will walk and use his hands again.....his career i think its over :( :( at least at top level.

Really sad to see a guy with so much love for our sport paying such a price :( :(

[piquet20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEe0084HoT4

[Barreis]

Look at this big horror..
http://www.gry-online.pl/Galeria/Forum/2/350348059.jpg

[Motorsportfun]

http://www.rallyemotion.it/news/534-robert-kubica-intervento-riuscito-le-parole-del-professore-che-lha-operato

Doctor Igor Rossello, which surgered Robert Kubica, told Sky Sport 24 that, if all goes well, we'll see a F1-comeback in about 12 months!

Will we see a new Hermann Maier? :) I really hope so!!!!

[bt52b]

Some reports say they had to wait an hour for cutting gear to be brought to the crash site, or was it that it took an hour to free him from the car?

[N.O.T]

do we know how the accident happened ? was it on raod section ?

1 hour waiting time i think its exaggeration, with his injuries it would certainly be fatal....so do not belive anything the vulture reporters say...

[Juha_Koo]

do we know how the accident happened ? was it on raod section ?

The accident happened on the first special stage, not on the roadsection. These Italian "Rally Rondes" use the same special stage driven four times.

Nothing confirmed but combining various sources the blueprints for the accident were the following: A mid-high-speed right hand corner 4,6 kilometres into the stage. The tarmac was just a little bit damp (there wasn't definately any standing water). The weather had been and was "normal", atleast what I checked from Capo Mele (very close to Andora) weather station's METAR history. Temperature was around 10 centigrades, no indication of rain, some broken or few clouds. Ofcourse the stage was a bit more into the mainland and it's mountaineous area.

Some say that in the beginning of the corner there's some tree roots that have penetrated the tarmac and caused little bumps and that Kubica would have lost the control because of those. Others say that the reason was simply too high speed entering the corner. I guess the most precise guess is to combine those two. Maybe a bit too high speed combined with an external factor. The guardrail's end had to be straight and not embedded to the ground. When the impact happened, the guardrail penetrated the car's firewall passing the engine from the left side and entered the cabin with the consequences we all know.

Clearly there has been some problems with the rescue efforts because Mauro Moreno, the driver who started after Kubica, told that competitors didn't stop to the accident site (don't they have SOS signs (which when shown order to stop) in Italy?!) Therefore, the message hasn't reached the organizers fast enough and possibly it had to be done with a telephone. Then adding the time which it took for the rescue equipment to reach the scene (most probably driven from the start). So it really took some time. The chopper came from Turin, some 75 kilometres away.

I tried to locate the corner from Google Maps Satellite for nearly an hour but I just couldn't find it, myriads of roads in that area...

[N.O.T]

The guardrail's end had to be straight and not embedded to the ground. When the impact happened, the guardrail penetrated the car's firewall passing the engine from the left side and entered the cabin with the consequences we all know.


Is this allowed? or is against the italian road laws? i find it quite disturbing....

Thanx for the report.

[HarriK]

I tried to locate the corner from Google Maps Satellite for nearly an hour but I just couldn't find it, myriads of roads in that area...

i think it's some of these curves in Strada Provinciale Valmerula-road:
http://maps.google.fi/?ie=UTF8&ll=44.003311,8.024322&spn=0.003342,0.010986&t=h&z=17

[Mirek]

Clearly there has been some problems with the rescue efforts because Mauro Moreno, the driver who started after Kubica, told that competitors didn't stop to the accident site (don't they have SOS signs (which when shown order to stop) in Italy?!) Therefore, the message hasn't reached the organizers fast enough and possibly it had to be done with a telephone. Then adding the time which it took for the rescue equipment to reach the scene (most probably driven from the start). So it really took some time. The chopper came from Turin, some 75 kilometres away.

Here is video from Moreno's car who was next on the road: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbxMiwf4nw&feature=player_embedded

I can't believe any other crew would have just drove away...

[N.O.T]

it was a fast section probably 4th-5th gear so the crews before them maybe didn't have the time to check.....but again when you don't see the drivers out of the car you stop no matter how bad the accident looks...

the place is full of guardrails....and especially at the start are at such height where they can easily penetrate through the windscreen....stupid positioning of them and stupid place for a special stage.

[Jarek Z]

I tried to locate the corner from Google Maps Satellite for nearly an hour but I just couldn't find it, myriads of roads in that area...

Maybe you can try to locate the church? The wall that was hit by Kubica's car was surrounding a local church. In Poland it is sad that the accident was caused (at least partially) by wet tarmac and a bumpy section at the beginning of the corner, that was caused by tree roots. Get well soon Robert!

[Raven]

From the onboard it looks that the guard rail went through the whole car! Looks horrible... Kubica in his bud luck is still lucky not to be hit directly...

[F1boat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbxMiwf4nw&feature=player_embedded

Video from the rally, I hope that helps.

[wwbroe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbxMiwf4nw&feature=player_embedded

Video from the rally, I hope that helps.

I think Mirek allready posted this video here a few posts ago, if you have a look at it you can notice that there are many rails and they are almost all not bended, i mean you can go straight on them, not bended to the ground or bended to side of the valley.

[ern]

Other onboard camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79UsFc1exuM

[Jarek Z]

Some news from Italy. Robert is now awake and breathes himself. He complains about severe pain in his hand and leg, which the doctors find as a good sign (because he can feel). He was visited by his family. He is aware of his bad condition, but doesn't remember the accident at all.
Apparently Fernando Alonso came to the hospital as well.

[Raven]

I think this could be a place of Robert's crash (the right corner on the middle of the view with small building on the inside and its shadow on the road):
http://maps.google.fi/?ie=UTF8&ll=44.006569,8.034004&spn=0.003342,0.010986&t=h&z=17

[ern]

Latest news: http://translate.google.it/translate?u=http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/6657/a-dodici-ore-dall-operazione-kubica-ha-fatto-dei-piccoli-movimenti&sl=it&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Confirmed also from national TV news

[Juha_Koo]

I think this could be a place of Robert's crash (the right corner on the middle of the view with small building on the inside and its shadow on the road):
http://maps.google.fi/?ie=UTF8&ll=44.006569,8.034004&spn=0.003342,0.010986&t=h&z=17

I think you're right, there's also the second road below the main road.

The corner looks both from the satellite photo and the onboards of the next drivers very fast and short corner but it seems that it narrows a lot. If there was a gap between the two guardrails, it might have been a bit deceptive too.

According to translations Moreno says "Damn, I knew he would go off right here!" suggesting that it's a tricky corner, "a place" which local driver(s) were aware of.

[Sami]

I don't understand what is the problem with that stage, someone said that it should not have been driven.

Those rails are very common in Italy, and everywhere in the mountaneous roads around Europe. Some rails are safer and most are not. But I find it even more disturbing, driven rally roads in Catalunya, Gran Canaria, Portugal, all over Italy, Cyprus, Madeira, Greece, France that there are several sections without rails at all!

As a conclusion those roads should be banned, all of them. Then on the other hand, here in Finland all the fatalities caused by the trees, that cut the cars like guillotine. These roads shouldn't be used etiher. Let's ban the whole rallysport!

Kubica's accident is terrible. In Finland we had similar accident a few years back, when similar kind of a rail pierced a car totally. The rail pierced the car between driver's and co-driver's head and they were uninjured.

I'm happy that they survived back then and I'm happy that Robert and Jakub survived this time. Being alive after such a crash is only about good luck.

But rallying is, it has been and it will be one of the most dangerous sport in the world. We have to live with that as long as we survive in the twists and turns of the stages of life and rally!

[Mirek]

+1

[Rallyper]

I don't understand what is the problem with that stage, someone said that it should not have been driven.

Those rails are very common in Italy, and everywhere in the mountaneous roads around Europe. Some rails are safer and most are not. But I find it even more disturbing, driven rally roads in Catalunya, Gran Canaria, Portugal, all over Italy, Cyprus, Madeira, Greece, France that there are several sections without rails at all!

As a conclusion those roads should be banned, all of them. Then on the other hand, here in Finland all the fatalities caused by the trees, that cut the cars like guillotine. These roads shouldn't be used etiher. Let's ban the whole rallysport!

Kubica's accident is terrible. In Finland we had similar accident a few years back, when similar kind of a rail pierced a car totally. The rail pierced the car between driver's and co-driver's head and they were uninjured.

I'm happy that they survived back then and I'm happy that Robert and Jakub survived this time. Being alive after such a crash is only about good luck.

But rallying is, it has been and it will be one of the most dangerous sport in the world. We have to live with that as long as we survive in the twists and turns of the stages of life and rally!

There are several more dangerous sports for sure. But shall we just settle down and be happy with things as they are?

What can be done?

That is what we should think about. Some stages might be cancelled or exchanged to more safe ones, even in Finland. MAybe the cars are too fast? There is much to be done. The sport cannot afford fatalities in the long term.

[MrJan]

But rallying is, it has been and it will be one of the most dangerous sport in the world. We have to live with that as long as we survive in the twists and turns of the stages of life and rally!

This isn't just about rallying, those rails are dangerous no matter what. In the UK there is currently an ongoing scheme to change the ends of barriers like that so that they will neither pierce the car nor launch it into the air. From the video it looks like the barrier has gone through the right hand side of the car and straight out through the firewall and engine bay (like meat on a kebab stick). The fact that both co-driver and driver have emerged alive is extremely lucky, a few millimetres either side and we might not just be talking about the possible end of a career.

[Mirek]

I think we all see that such barriers are dangerous but they are everywhere in Italy (and not only there). Those are dozens of thousands of kilometers. To change that is a huge deal which no country can afford these days. It's nothing we can change and nothing we can avoid in Italy.

[MrJan]

I think we all see that such barriers are dangerous but they are everywhere in Italy (and not only there). Those are dozens of thousands of kilometers. To change that is a huge deal which no country can afford these days. It's nothing we can change and nothing we can avoid in Italy.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that the point shouldn't be raised.

[N.O.T]

my objection was how the guardrails are positioned....i think having their end so high and not going to the ground as most guardrails creates unecessary danger.

Nice to hear that Kubica woke up and can communicate.

[Sami]

Safety issues are the most important issues to discuss in this forum and in the rallying community. I have been probably one of the most active participants in this and other forums about the safety issues with Iskald, Pentti and other experts that I have so much respect for.

But.

Rallying is sport that is participated in natural environment, you have to drive between trees, cliffs and rails. Risk of death is present all the time. And that is part of the excitement, a big part.

I have injured myself in rally accident in 2005. My neck won't be the same never again. Luckily my injuries were not life threathening or too serious, but they will harm my life the rest of my life. But I am very much aware of that they could have been.

And I am still participating in taking those huge risks needed.

Because that is my passion.

It is the same with everyone driving in rally. Robert drove purely just because of his passion for the rallying. And it is the same with the thousands of rallydrivers in the world. You'll risk everything...

[Mirek]

my objection was how the guardrails are positioned....i think having their end so high and not going to the ground as most guardrails creates unecessary danger.

That's true but what can You do with that when they are everywhere? It's like with trees around stages here in CZ or in Finland. They are on every stage. Theoretically You can remove them but practically You can't. In reality You have two options - to make stages that way You avoid the most risky places while You know there are still many other on stages or not to make any stages at all.

[dimviii]

shocking photo just to understant how lucky Robert was
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=359586&page=3

[Barreis]

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=142119&st=1560
Bad quality of this cars..

[N.O.T]

That's true but what can You do with that when they are everywhere? It's like with trees around stages here in CZ or in Finland. They are on every stage. Theoretically You can remove them but practically You can't. In reality You have two options - to make stages that way You avoid the most risky places while You know there are still many other on stages or not to make any stages at all.

the thing is you cannot remove trees/cliffs/natural dangers ects but you can make guardrails end to the ground, why add more dangers to the current existing ones ??

[Lousada]

One thing I do not understand: people say he hit a gap in the armco. But if you see at the onboard videos, the armco before the accident is completely bent backwards over the edge. To me it looks like the armco was a single piece, but that the violent impact ripped it apart. It doesn't make any sense to have a gap in the armco at that point.

[Mirek]

the thing is you cannot remove trees/cliffs/natural dangers ects but you can make guardrails end to the ground, why add more dangers to the current existing ones ??

Ehm, have You realized that those guardrails are already there? We can say thousand times that they are wrong and we are right but it doesn't change anything on fact that they are there. So in results, it's same like trees...

[ridder]

With most stages ran twice, the WRC/IRC rounds use about 150-200kms of road per rally. What's more, most of the stages are in the rally year after year.
Think that from now on FIA will carefully check for traps of this kind on these major events as no normal racing car can keep the sharp guardrail end from penetrating, when the car is perfectly aligned against it (and even held in position by the previous guardrail like here).

Trees aren't nearly as deadly as this with the impact being absorbed by much larger area...neither are they man-made.

[cosmicpanda]

Ehm, have You realized that those guardrails are already there? We can say thousand times that they are wrong and we are right but it doesn't change anything on fact that they are there. So in results, it's same like trees...

The local roading authorities can gradually replace them with safer designs, however, in the natural course of maintaining the roads. They'll certainly need to repair the armco where Kubica crashed, for example, and so why not have one with tapered ends or something? Perhaps rallying can be a force for good in leading the fight for this.

Not a short-term solution but maybe the most realistic one.

[Dug83]

Hi frist time post on here, wish robert a speed recovery.
I was wondering if they have these on guard rail in europe to so them entering cars?
http://www.turnerfence.com/guardrails.jpg

[Dug83]

can't work out how to edit post but that should say first and stop instead of so

[Juha_Koo]

I just realized that Kubica drove car number 4... Number four... :s hock:

[N.O.T]

well it certainly ended far better than the bettega and toivonens cars...

[MrJan]

Hi frist time post on here, wish robert a speed recovery.
I was wondering if they have these on guard rail in europe to so them entering cars?
http://www.turnerfence.com/guardrails.jpg

In the UK there has been a recent surge of these being installed, or ones similar. I think the idea is that the end piece moves along and the first part of the barrier is easily collaspable. However on a small road like the one that Kubica was on it is unlikely that the money would have been spent to change them.

[Jarek Z]

Some news from Italy...

Robert feels better today. He talks to the friends and family members that visit him and jokes. He can move the fingers of the broken hand. He still doesn't remember the accident. The doctors say that he may return to normal life within a few weeks, but return to the sport will take much, much longer.

Robert awaits three more operations.

[Dug83]

Yeah it moves down the barrier when you crash into it and bends the barrier back on itself stopping it entering the car.

[Iskald]

There are several more dangerous sports for sure.

The sport cannot afford fatalities in the long term.

Statistically rallying is up there with cliff skydiving as one of the absolutely most dangerous sports in the world. And I hate to point out this to you, Rallyper, the sport already affords a number of fatalities each year. I tried to keep a record a couple of years ago, 2008 or 2009 I think it was, with something like 13 fatalities recorded through the season.

A great number of drivers/codrivers survives each year purely because of luck. Robert Kubica was one of them this year...

[urabus-denoS2000]

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11718

[Lousada]

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11718

Here directly:
fhRDKrNiWP0

Just as I already thought, there was no gap in the armco...

[Mirek]

According to Jakub Gerber, co-driver of Kubica, there was a gap. In this photo You can see the railguard and it looks like end part with no screw/rivet holes or any other connection elements.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0erhdhB1xS0bO/610x.jpg

[urabus-denoS2000]

Robert getting support from AC Milan and the Ferrari F1 Team ( http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/110207_Come_on_Robert_our_thoughts_are_with_you.as px ) . You really need to meet him in person to see how normal a character he is , so down-to-Earth , optimistic and great . It makes me very happy to see that he's optimistic and almost-fully functioning , keep on the good news ! :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

News ?

[br21]

everything is going ok, today he should be moved from "intensive care". tomorrow probably two surgeries, but everything according to a plan

[Jarek Z]

Some photos from F1 test sessions on Circuito de Jerez:
http://f1.autoklub.pl/news/zyczenia-z-jerez,34366

[Jarek Z]

More photos :)
http://www.sport.pl/F1/1,96296,9083842,F1__Wsparcie_dla_Kubicy_na_bolidac h_w_Jerez.html

[JTGANG]

Any news regarding Rossetti/Basso plans for 2011 ???

[mousti]

Any news regarding Rossetti/Basso plans for 2011 ???
Luca goes for ERC again, entry of Croatia is almost confirmed. He's trying to get the budget for other events like Ypres.

[tolis]

Luca goes for ERC again, entry of Croatia is almost confirmed. He's trying to get the budget for other events like Ypres.
ERC starts with ELPA Rally though!!! I hope he'll visit us!!! ;)

[morganmilan]

Luca goes for ERC again, entry of Croatia is almost confirmed. He's trying to get the budget for other events like Ypres.
Abarth Punto s2000 again or new car?

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like both Piero Longhi and Andrea Perego will drive a Prodrive Mini in ERC this year ;)

[Jarek Z]

Interesting news! Is that Mini a Super 2000 or a 1,6 Turbo car? It seems at least two teams will have Minis in Italy this year - Grifone and Twister Corse. I saw the rally version of Mini in Belgium yesterday. It looks really big, it's not "mini" in any way! :)

[RICARDO75]

Interesting news! Is that Mini a Super 2000 or a 1,6 Turbo car? It seems at least two teams will have Minis in Italy this year - Grifone and Twister Corse. I saw the rally version of Mini in Belgium yesterday. It looks really big, it's not "mini" in any way! :)

The Mini S2000 as the 1600 turbo engine

[PLuto]

Piero Longhi is searching budget for ERC, second option is TRT. About Perego, I havent heard about his plans about ERC. He wants to do Ciocco with Mini, but about future plans...

[Tom206wrc]

Eddie Sciessere, Simone Romagna and Elwis Chentre is the winner podium of Rally Franciacorta(a rallyshow on circuit racing)today ;)
http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2011&p_Codice=29&p_Manifestazione=31

Fantastic Stefano d'Aste on his Lotus GT was third for a long time before going off track and retired :(
Bad luck for Pierro Longhi with mechanical problems(differential, then engine)who was third with two stages left to go :mad:

[mousti]

Abarth Punto s2000 again or new car?
Yep again with Punto :)

[Mirek]

I don't think so.

[Raven]

You don't think so, or you know it's not Punto? Tell us what is it then!
Btw, Punto S2000 is a dead project or Abarth is still running (improving) the car?

[Tom206wrc]

UCCI to take part to Ronde delle due Comuni this week-end at the wheels of his usual Racing Lions 207 S2000 ;)

Unfortunately there won't be big opponents to him there(Alessandro Perico will be there too, but won't ba a threat) :mark:

[Ucci]

UCCI to take part to Ronde delle due Comuni this week-end at the wheels of his usual Racing Lions 207 S2000 ;)

Unfortunately there won't be big opponents to him there(Alessandro Perico will be there too, but won't ba a threat) :mark:


Indeed Tom, Andreucci won all stages, very comfortably in front of another P207 with Alessandro Perico behind the wheel. Anyway, good test and also successful start for this season in Italy for both-Ucci&Perico!!http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

[Jarek Z]

Did you notice that also Andreucci supports Robert Kubica? Look at the front window:
http://www.duemotori.com/news/rally-it/36675_Ronde_dei_due_comuni_Andreucci_dedica_la_vit toria_a_Kubica.php

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Luca Rossetti is about to sign again with Abarth in CIR ;)

Giandomenico Basso tested the Proton Satria Neo S2000 :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

ANDREA AGHINI back at Peugeot Italia/Racing Lions !!!!! :bounce:
He will run the TRT(Trofeo Rally Terra - italian gravel championship)at the wheels of a 207 S2000 evo11 identical to the one of Ucci(in CIR)...absolutely fantastic news to me, very happy :cool:
His first race will be start april, Rally Adriatico



Latest unofficial rumours before these news talked about a Ford Fiesta S2000 for him in TRT...

[vino_93]

Aghini :D
Any chance that he will do the Sanremo ?

[Jarek Z]

Great to hear that Aghini is back. It's a shame that it is only the gravel championship, which is a little less important than CIR, but still great to see him!

[Barreis]

They have great championships.. :)

[Tom206wrc]

It seems we will see the Prodrive New Mini S2000 for the first time next week in Italy(Rally Ciocco, first round of CIR)in the hands of Andrea Perego :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

A reminder of why Ucci is the best : on-board from Rally Piancavallo 1999 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIM-C_SrkR8&feature=player_embedded

[dimviii]

A reminder of why Ucci is the best : on-board from Rally Piancavallo 1999 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIM-C_SrkR8&feature=player_embedded

nice find!

[HaCo]

It seems we will see the Prodrive New Mini S2000 for the first time next week in Italy(Rally Ciocco, first round of CIR)in the hands of Andrea Perego :D
That is great news!

[Tom206wrc]

Citroën Italy and Procar team about to create a "Junior team" running two DS3 R3T for Andrea Crugnola and Simone Campedelli :)
News from italian Autosport

[tolis]

When can we expect the entry list of Rally il Ciocco?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Probably Tuesday knowing the Italians ?

[Ucci]

Slowly some new informations are coming regarding this year championship-Simone Cempedelli will seat in A-Style Fiesta S2000. He will also be present on some IRC races.....Good for him.

[106 sport]

Slowly some new informations are coming regarding this year championship-Simone Cempedelli will seat in A-Style Fiesta S2000. He will also be present on some IRC races.....Good for him.

Perhaps Rally Islas Canarias??? :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Slowly some new informations are coming regarding this year championship-Simone Cempedelli will seat in A-Style Fiesta S2000. He will also be present on some IRC races.....Good for him.


Are you sure you did'nt confuse with Umberto Scandola ???? :confused:

[Ucci]

Are you sure you did'nt confuse with Umberto Scandola ???? :confused:


Sorry, my mistake.....

[morganmilan]

I believe I´ve read something today about an italian campaign for Rossetti wit a Punto this season. Is that right? Not ERC?

[Tom206wrc]

Probably Tuesday knowing the Italians ?

Between Monday evening and...tuesday morning, apparently :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

I believe I´ve read something today about an italian campaign for Rossetti wit a Punto this season. Is that right? Not ERC?


Full CIR in Abarth, these are official news(there was a press release) ;)

[morganmilan]

thnx tom

[Barreis]

Very good..

[Raven]

I read that Rox also will defend (or he hopes so) ERC title, but probably it will require extra money.

[RS]

Full CIR in Abarth, these are official news(there was a press release) ;)

That press release also confirms a split with Basso, I guess leaving the way clear for him to sign for Proton. I hope so anyway; Giandomenico is not a driver who should be unemployed!

[Tom206wrc]

He(Basso) also should get a car THAT FINISHES rallies :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

Entry list for Ciocco is a bit disappointing for me (No Basso, no Travaglia...)

http://www.cioccorally.it/eventi/2011/34_rally_il_ciocco/ENTRYLIST_CIR11.pdf

[Jarek Z]

Also no Longhi, no Cantamessa, no Skoda, Signor only in a Clio R3... but nice to see a comeback from Nicola Caldani... haven't seen him for ages...

[tolis]

Entry list for Ciocco is a bit disappointing for me (No Basso, no Travaglia...)

http://www.cioccorally.it/eventi/2011/34_rally_il_ciocco/ENTRYLIST_CIR11.pdf
No Longhi... :(

[urabus-denoS2000]

A video from Ucci testing ... Fantastic :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxfFMGjJYU&feature=player_embedded#at=93

[Jarek Z]

Hmm... Ucci seems to be in a good form before the new season :)

[stepunk]

Entry list for Ciocco is a bit disappointing for me (No Basso, no Travaglia...)

http://www.cioccorally.it/eventi/2011/34_rally_il_ciocco/ENTRYLIST_CIR11.pdf

We are disappointed also here in Italy but... there are no money! At least, not enough to repeat strong entries like last year!
Hopefully Ucci won't kill the championship too early...

[stepunk]

Longhi will start selected rounds with Mini RRC (at the moment the car hasn't arrived yet).
Skoda maybe will do TRT (Gravel Trophy) but nothing sure.

[stepunk]

Also no Longhi, no Cantamessa, no Skoda, Signor only in a Clio R3... but nice to see a comeback from Nicola Caldani... haven't seen him for ages...

Longhi will start selected rounds with Mini RRC (at the moment the car hasn't arrived yet).
Skoda maybe will do TRT (Gravel Trophy) but nothing sure.
Caldani will start only in Ciocco.

[Mirek]

A video from Ucci testing ... Fantastic :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxfFMGjJYU&feature=player_embedded#at=93

That's not fantastic, that's insane :D

[Tom206wrc]

And no Campedelli neither :mark:

Nevertheless S2000 entrylist is quite quality ;)

[Ucci]

Indeed, there were better entry lists in the CIR in the past, let say this is the worst and from now on the situation will be better and better.
Anyway, there are some positive news : Perego&Mini, two Megane's N4, Gianfico is back with evo, 21xClio R3.....
But, maybe we will see a surprise in the Trofeo Rally Terra (TRT), because during the winter much more rumors were circulated around this championship and more drivers were related to TRT as to CIR.....so, yust wait for one week, the Adriatico will be held on the first weekend in April....

[Gordini]

How good the pilots on the Meganes are ?

[Barreis]

Very good..

[Raven]

Entry list is disappointing, only two top drivers (Ucci, Rox). The rest will probably fight for the last step on podium, eventually Chentre and Scandola will try to bite them. I hope it's because it's first event of the season and it will (it has to!) be much better during the year.

[urabus-denoS2000]

The Mini arrived in Grifone , pics here . It actually looks great in asphalt spec :)

http://rallymania.forumfree.it/?t=38432853&st=300#lastpost

[Tom206wrc]

Entry list is disappointing, only two top drivers (Ucci, Rox). The rest will probably fight for the last step on podium, eventually Chentre and Scandola will try to bite them. I hope it's because it's first event of the season and it will (it has to!) be much better during the year.



Maybe also Alessandro Perico, he writes on his press release he will have evo11 spec. engine on his 207 and has big expectation on this new rally to CIR ;)

[Mirek]

Andreas Mikkelsen to drive TRT for Škoda Italia: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11920

[Raven]

Strange decision of Skoda, maybe they were very disappointed by their last season? Travaglia or Basso for CIR would be a better option, Mikkelsen is a worse driver and TRT is less prestigious than CIR.

[Mirek]

I don't agree that Mikkelsen is worse driver. And AFAIK they wanted to have Rossetti in CIR...

[Tom206wrc]

So this strange decision from Rox to chose to stay in Abarth :p :

[Mirek]

We don't know anything behind - conditions, relations, offers...

[Tom206wrc]

By the way, have a look at Ronde del Grifo Arzignano entrylist http://www.rallyarzignano.it/doc2011/Elenco.pdf

Therefore that's NOT a big rally, but a single "ronde"(one stage run four times)...entrylist WRC and R3 is simply crazy :eek: :eek:

[HaCo]

I wonder what Grifone plans with Mini, is it for Corrado Fontana maybe in European Championship, or for CIR?

[urabus-denoS2000]

By the way, have a look at Ronde del Grifo Arzignano entrylist http://www.rallyarzignano.it/doc2011/Elenco.pdf

Therefore that's NOT a big rally, but a single "ronde"(one stage run four times)...entrylist WRC and R3 is simply crazy :eek: :eek:

It is quite a big rally actually . It's a part of the highly popular IRS series which gathers great entry lists every rally . It is organized by Campedelli senior I believe

[urabus-denoS2000]

I wonder what Grifone plans with Mini, is it for Corrado Fontana maybe in European Championship, or for CIR?

I'm 99% sure that Corrado will do ERC in the Mini

[Wim_Impreza]

#37 Alex de Angelis is the Moto2 rider I suppose? Incredible that he drives here as he was last weekend in Qatar and he must be in the first weekend of April in Jerez de la Frontera.

[Ucci]

Strange decision of Skoda, maybe they were very disappointed by their last season? Travaglia or Basso for CIR would be a better option, Mikkelsen is a worse driver and TRT is less prestigious than CIR.

Me also can not agree with statement of Mikkelsen beeing a worse driver. Maybe Skoda realized after last year adventure with Kopecky in CIR that it is hard to compete against top Italian drivers, which know domestic stages better than their apartments.....
TRT will be a good test for Mikkelsen for this year IRC, he needs more miles on gravel. And he will not be under pressure for a top result in Italy......

[stepunk]

I wonder what Grifone plans with Mini, is it for Corrado Fontana maybe in European Championship, or for CIR?

Andrea Navarra will be in Rally Adriatico next week with that Mini!
Corrado Fontana will be in European Championship while Andrea Perego will do CIR.

[RS]

We don't know anything behind - conditions, relations, offers...

Hopefully some budget for some IRC or ERC events!

[wwbroe]

Apparently the first stage in Rallye Ciocco is cancelled due to a fire in the neighbourhood of this first stage. Organisers decided to cancel this stage.

[Ucci]

After first stage (actually the second, as the first was as wwbroe said cancelled) already a solid lead by Andreucci. Rossetti lost five seconds, others are already more than 10 seconds behind. Perego with Mini is for the moment very carefully.....

[Raven]

Rox fights back! Only by 0,5s, but win is a win :-)
Third Scanodla is already over 20s back (from Ucci). Perego still rather slow, but this is first rally (or am I wrong?) of this car.

[Tom206wrc]

SS4 Ciocco running ;) go Ucci :cool:

[Ucci]

SS4 Ciocco running ;) go Ucci :cool:

Tight fight between Ucci&Roxy, yust second between them on 4th stage.....I hope Cunico will solve his brake problems, as he really impressed me so far......

[urabus-denoS2000]

I must say I'm very dissapointed by Perego , I expected him to fight for the 3rd position in a dominant car . He is actually behind Angrisani in a Evo X

[Wim_Impreza]

What was the reason of retirement for Caldani?

I have never heard of the French driver that is leading the Clio R3 Trofeo.

[Tom206wrc]

Fraymouth comes from Corsica and apparently is a promising young driver ;)

His aim is to run in french championship in a Citroën DS3 R3(that is not finished to be prepared yet)

[Wim_Impreza]

Thanks, Tom.

[urabus-denoS2000]

He must be very promising if he is leading R3 in Italy :)

[Jarek Z]

I must say I'm very dissapointed by Perego , I expected him to fight for the 3rd position in a dominant car . He is actually behind Angrisani in a Evo X

Yes, and last year Perego was waaay faster than Angrisani, when they were both driving group N Mitsubishis. I'm sure he has to adapt to his new car and we can expect better things from him.

Here is a picture of Perego's Mini:

http://www.rallylink.it/main/images/rsgallery/display/cioc11_2_09_perego.jpg.jpg

[Barreis]

Nice picture..

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yes, and last year Perego was waaay faster than Angrisani

Exactly , that's why it's so weird . However it must be said that Perego hasn't driven a proper racing car for years :)

[Jarek Z]

Exactly , that's why it's so weird . However it must be said that Perego hasn't driven a proper racing car for years :)

Don't forget he was once an official Mitsubishi Ralliart Italy driver. But do we count Lancer as a "proper racing car"? ;)

[Zeakiwi]

Italian Baja 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I7XxMLxXKI&NR=1