Italian Rally News

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic show by Andrea Crugnola(winner of trofeo DS3) and Davide Storace at the Lanterna Rally :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Very POOR entrylist at this week-end's Rally Puglia & Luciana, next round of gravel championship(TRT) !!! :s
http://www.rallypuglialuciana.it/

[Wim_Impreza]

The Rally Prealpi Orobiche, a round for the International Rally Cup, has a much better entry list: http://www.acibergamo.it/acirally/rally/pdf/2012/iscritti.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Very POOR entrylist at this week-end's Rally Puglia & Luciana, next round of gravel championship(TRT) !!! :s
http://www.rallypuglialuciana.it/


Travaglia finally switch to a Ford Fiesta S2000 and dominates the Pugs(Ceccoli, Bruschetta and Trentin)on SS1 ;)
Sporttraxx Timing (http://timing.sporttraxx.com/races/rally-puglia-e-lucania-2012/#itinerary)

[Tom206wrc]

The Rally Prealpi Orobiche, a round for the International Rally Cup, has a much better entry list: http://www.acibergamo.it/acirally/rally/pdf/2012/iscritti.pdf


http://www.cronocomo.it/web/2012/2012/RyBergamo12/index.html

Perico in front of Oldrati and Paccagnela after 3 stages ;) note the "new WRCs" are a bit behind the older(Longhi in Mini, Cortinovis in Fiesta) :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Entrylist Rally della Marca(TRA)held this coming week-end ;)
http://www.rallydellamarca.it/html/pubblico/Elenco2012.pdf

[Ucci]

Entrylist Rally della Marca(TRA)held this coming week-end ;)
http://www.rallydellamarca.it/html/pubblico/Elenco2012.pdf

Anybody noticed that there are no Mitsubishi Evo9 & X's ?? Otherwise very solid list. This time some more work for Felice Re.....

[Ucci]

Rally della Marca yust finished: hat-trick in this season for Felice Re :) This time no one can say that Felice was withouth competition-names like Porro, Corrado Fontana, M.Silva, Bresolin....this are all great tarmac drivers, but thay could not resist against Felice. Re=King !!!

[Mirek]

Beautiful photos of Martin Trdla from Tuscan Rewind historic rally: eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Tuscan Rewind 2012 Martin Trdla (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=4564&fotograf=251)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/ostatni/tuscan/41.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/ostatni/tuscan/45.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/ostatni/tuscan/31.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Luca Cantamessa back to competition this week-end at Rally Copa d'Oro at the wheels of an Abarth Grande S2000, same for Andrea Torlasco, same rally but in a 207 ;)

[Jarek Z]

Luca Cantamessa back to competition this week-end at Rally Copa d'Oro at the wheels of an Abarth Grande S2000, same for Andrea Torlasco, same rally but in a 207 ;)

Very good news for both drivers! Their place is on the stages! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Start Targa Florio in a few minutes(superspecial) :p :
Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=74&p_Manifestazione=12)

Live news + pics + interviews(in italian)on Diretta Targa Florio (http://www.rallylink.it/cms12/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=41&Itemid=85)

[Nowi]

My photogallery from 3rd Tuscan Rewind historic rally at 03. Tuscan Rewind [nowi] | RallyLife.cz (http://www.rallylife.cz/03-tuscan-rewind-nowi)

[tolis]

Entry list for this weekend's CIR Rally San Crispino.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166084_10150924144518952_713569315_n.jpg

[Barreis]

No more Dallavilla, Bizarri, Aghini and some other names. :P

[Tom206wrc]

Today was shakedown and "starting order stage" Rally San Crispino...tomorrow 12.29 starts SS1 ;)
Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=316&p_Manifestazione=11)

[Jarek Z]

No more Dallavilla, Bizarri, Aghini and some other names. :P

Like Longhi, Rossetti, Perego and Basso? ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

SS1 cancelled due to problems with a safety car.

[Tom206wrc]

I've just read that too: some damages on the safety car or something like this :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Ucci 32" faster than Travaglia on the 24km long SS2 :eek:
Let's see what Scandola will do...

Edit: Scandola 11" slower ;)
Good first stage for Albertini(4th fastest) :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Pajunen just in front of Campedelli on SS1(4" gap) :eek:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

fantastic stage for Pajunen with the little twingo r2.... he said that he had do slowdown in some parts due to overheating... and he was...3.2 sec. faster than campedelli...really amazing

[Tom206wrc]

But Campedelli: in problems with brakes :s

[Tom206wrc]

Puncture for Travaglia on SS4(rerun of the SS2) :(

[Co-FIN]

..

[JTGANG]

Andreucci is using a different road ?????

[Tom206wrc]

Amazing that Pajunen has a 9" advantage over Campedelli after leg one Rally San Crispino :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Today Paolo Andreucci is absolutely NO MATCH for anyone at the San Crispino, starting by Umberto Scandola(+52"8 before two last stages) ;)
Ucci is the master of gravel in Italy :bounce:

Fight isn't over yet for third place though(6" between Albertini and Trentin) :cool:

As expected, Simone Campedelli changed set-up of his DS3 yesterday evening and is now doing fantastic times through leg 2(he's 12th overall) :bounce:
Pajunen still leading R2s ahead of Cunial and Nucita...

[Wim_Impreza]

What is the reason of retirement of Travaglia? Again mechanical? :(

[tolis]

What is the reason of retirement of Travaglia? Again mechanical? :(
From rallylink.it:
Il ritardo accumulato nella foratura sulla ps.4 è troppo elevato e Renato Travaglia lascia la vettura al parco assistenza e consegna la tabella.

[Ucci]

[quote="Tom206wrc"]Today Paolo Andreucci is absolutely NO MATCH for anyone at the San Crispino, starting by Umberto Scandola(+52"8 before two last stages) ;)
Ucci is the master of gravel in Italy :bounce:

With this result Andreucci at least a bit ''softened'' his disastrous performance two weeks earlyer on Targa. His loyal fans will hard to forget this humiliation.....

[Wim_Impreza]

From rallylink.it:
Il ritardo accumulato nella foratura sulla ps.4 è troppo elevato e Renato Travaglia lascia la vettura al parco assistenza e consegna la tabella.

Thank you. ;)

[Ucci]

32.Rally Casentino (Italian IRC), entry list is looking very very attractive:
http://www.scuderiaetruria.net/PDF/Elenco%20Iscritti%2032°RALLY%20DEL%20CASENTINO.pdf

A lot of WRC cars, great competition in R3, R3T and R2 classes. Slovenian young talent Novak is also present with Fabia R2, we will see, what kind of progress has he managed to learn (speaking realistically the gap behind Italian star Vescovi will be the measure).
About oweral winner: Manuel Sossella is my favourite.

[Ucci]

My prediction was on the spot : Manuel Sossella won by a solid margin in front of Piero Longhi. Part of this victory is also the fact, that C4 WRC is still one step in front of 1,6l Mini WRC. Of course Manuel is also at least on the same level as Longhi concerning driving skills, it is not yust the better car.....The serial ''trophy king'' Roberto Vescovi won in R2B class, but this time he had a very strong competition-Nicoli was at the end yust four seconds slower. Slovenian driver Novak drove a very solid race, he was some four minutes behind Vescovi (4th place in R2B class).

[dimviii]

rip...

[rage82]

What a nightmare, again... R.I.P

[Ucci]

What a sad weekends in the rallying-almost each weekend this beautiful sport requires casualties. Condolences to the families and relatives.
This has to be stopped, first measure should be reducing the speeds in the bends.

[Mirek]

How do You want to do it? It's sport in which the main goal is to go faster. How do You want to make everyone go sower? I know it's sad and emotional after every such accident but please get real.

[Ucci]

How do You want to do it? It's sport in which the main goal is to go faster. How do You want to make everyone go sower? I know it's sad and emotional after every such accident but please get real.


For the start-tires compound should have less grip......similar as it is happening in F1.

[Mirek]

What a trap it was... :(

La morte arriva in curva » La Gazzetta di Lucca (http://www.lagazzettadilucca.it/cronaca/2012/07/la-morte-arriva-in-curva-carbonizzato-un-equipaggio-del-rally-citta-di-lucca/)

[atsiotras79]

By far the worst year in rallying history...

R.I.P Valerio and Daniela...

[pino]

Very sad news...R.I.P Daniela, R.I.P Valerio :(

[Rallyper]

So that means that turns easily flat out (with the tyres they have now) would become impossible to take flat out (with worse tyres). So that would mean that corners who shouldn't be dangerous now can become more dangerous then... The improvements in terms of safety (like rollcage, HANS etc) are good last years, but there is still some risk. If you want to take the risk away you have to take the sport away, and for me the discussion stops here. If you compete in rally you must accept that risk. The chance that something bad happens is small, the consequences can be big... Sad reality but there's no way around it.

As a driver you immedeatly feel the grip so there´s no danger in having less grip. I too think it´s one of many solutions making rallying safer.

[werner]

There are several solutions to make rallying much more safer, but nothing of this serious. A car which take fire must be unable, but every fatal accident of past weeks and months were very different, so maybe 1000 things to change. Not possible. Only thing they had together, it was on asphalt roads, but where in europe is possible to drive only on gravel?

Maybe one point could be: We give the drivers all security what possible, inside the car, sometimes outside, also with HANS system. Maybe its important to bring back to drivers mind, that our sport is still very dangerous. Maybe - I dont know, I am no driver - someone think that with that securities they can be faster and faster without problems. Road banners (Targa), Trees (Bohemia), Walls (Lucca), Bridge (France), nothing can be banned from stages.

[Francis44]

I heard the automatic fire extinguisher system those cars have failed, so hopefully the FIA will look at this serious problem and promote the development of a new and more efficient system.

[Mirek]

The automatic fire-extinguisher is small. It can't stop really big fire. You saw that often even plenty of extinguishers is not enough. It's not possible to bring in car a hundred kilograms heavy one and even than it can't stop the fire if for example a whole tank is torn apart. Till the cars will use petrol fuel they will burn from time to time. Even with electric cars the risk of fire is quite big (with Li-Ion batteries), CNG also isn't safe. In my opinion for fire risk it's best to use diesel engines. Diesel is very difficult to ignite itself. One thing is that it would lead to loose a lot of spectacle and spectator safety due to the sound.

The tires. I would not go into comparison with F1. It's different world. Their tyres still have way more grip than any tyres used in rallying. The safety of F1 is mostly in modern extremely safe circuits and purpose built cars. You don't need to go far to see what worse tyres do. In all asphalt WRC events they use tyres with less grip than in national championships, ERC or IRC. It's caused by the single pattern for both dry or wet surface. As a result this year in Monte Carlo in better conditions WRC cars were not faster than S2000 cars last year (stage Lucerám).

But anyway for me it's not a solution of anything because You can't stop the development. After few years those single pattern tyres will be faster than todays slicks. That is not possible to avoid. Todays road cars have better tyres than rally cars twenty years a go. Everything naturally gets better just the men driving are still same. It's difficult sure. Maybe a more radical solution can make more - like to use just one tyre set for whole day or even whole rally.

[scn]

There are three main points in question:
One is the safety measures. All that are applied are OK, but surely there can be more applied. Just as an example, the main reason of fire in most circumstances is oil from broken gearbox, differential or motor on hot exhaust pipe. There are no precautions for this, nor do the extinguishing systems send any liquid there.
The second has to do with speeds. Modern rally cars move at a pace no average person can handle. Even "fast operating" persons have difficulty operating in the pace of a Saxo A6, not to mention the extraordinary pace of a S2000. One of the main reasons that pace has increased so much is the asphalt tyres. To my opinion it is mandatory that grip gets reduced and that tyres become more progressive and with much higher maximum slip angle than the 2 or 3 degrees that have now. For those that regard it more dangerous, I say that I do not have any problem driving my A6 on Toyos R1R instead of my rally Michelins and Dunlops. In fact, I find it safer and more fun. Of course the car is slower, but it is also more progressive and friendly and if something bad happens, it will happen with about 5-15 kmh less.
The third has to do with the organisers and the safety measures they take about dangerous points. Breen's accident could have been avoided if the organiser had observed that the road banner was wrongly made and had done something about it. This cannot happen in a large scale, but surely there are few points in every rally that are very easily spotted as extremely dangerous. For example, just yesterday I was driving through the Acropolis SS Drosohori and I saw the points that, after FIA drivers demand, the organiser has put road banners. There not many points, just the ones that the banner is absolutely necessary. But this can save a life.

[Arganil]

Sad news...R.I.P.

[uranium]

I'd like to pay attention that rally is very specific sport. It doesn't have leagues, qualifications etc.
Everybody can sit rather immediatelly into S2k car. Isn't it also the reason of crashes and tragedies? Rally allow to skip any steps and drive anything your want, only because you have money.
Shortly, I'd like to see rally more like to boxing. I beleive nobody will go to fight Klichko even he is billionere. You must do a lot of step by steps, achieve next level and then only to drive on faster machinery.

[uranium]

I'd like to pay attention that rally is very specific sport. It doesn't have leagues, qualifications etc.
Everybody can sit rather immediatelly into S2k car. Isn't it also the reason of crashes and tragedies? Rally allow to skip any steps and drive anything your want, only because you have money.
Shortly, I'd like to see rally more like to boxing. I beleive nobody will go to fight Klichko even he is billionere. You must do a lot of step by steps, achieve next level and then only to drive on faster machinery.

[werner]

Every fatal accident has his specifics. I think to the belgian guys who lost their life in their last race, when they rent an Evo. So - uranium - thats right. Everybody has possibility to go with big and fast cars without experience. Step by step could be useful, but I also remember fatal accidents in past with Fiat Cinquecento, here in Austria, 14 years ago. No chance to get out of the damaged cars, and it was class A5. Small cars have a big risk, also with low power. Two accidents that year, both driver and codriver died.

The specific problem in Italy past weekend was, first it was night, and there is a big discuss now in Italy, because drivers behind didnt helped. It was night, and they thought drivers were out of car. Also the car was not really on the road, so they didnt seen it. The fire comes not immediately, it comes 4-5 minutes after the crash, but driver and codriver were injured and cannot go out for theirself. Also the bad position of the car after the crash didnt allowed to go out very fast.

[Adler]

I'd like to pay attention that rally is very specific sport. It doesn't have leagues, qualifications etc.
Everybody can sit rather immediatelly into S2k car. Isn't it also the reason of crashes and tragedies? Rally allow to skip any steps and drive anything your want, only because you have money.
Shortly, I'd like to see rally more like to boxing. I beleive nobody will go to fight Klichko even he is billionere. You must do a lot of step by steps, achieve next level and then only to drive on faster machinery.

I agree, the possibility to take a seat in an high tech rallye car right out from the driving school should get banned!

But Semerad and Breen are both fast and experienced rallye pilots, although they are still young! About Catelani I´m not sure, but at least he had some years of experience, Pelech was experienced as well and not in a superfast car.

Rallying will allways be a risky and dangerous sport, I don´t think there is a specific reason why this year so many tragic accidents happened so far, I really hope it was the last deadly rally accident for a long time now.

My condolences to family and friends of Valerio and Daniela, and to the whole italian rally family!

[Tom206wrc]

Sad news about our sport, again... :(
In Rally di Lucca Valerio Catelani and his co Daniela Bertoneri both died after their Peugeot 207 S2000 caught fire. (Source:
Tragedia al Rally di Lucca: muoiono pilota e navigatrice - Corriere.it (http://www.corriere.it/cronache/12_luglio_22/rally-lucca-morti_e76ca138-d3bb-11e1-83bd-0877fdcd1621.shtml))

R.I.P. ...


;(

[Tom206wrc]

3"3 gap between Althaus and Ballinari after two stages Rally Valli Cuneesi(swiss championship) ;)
http://www.cronometristi.net/public/risultati/Rally/NAZ/DRONERO(CN)2408201201/index.html

[Ucci]

Next weekend rally Alpi Orientali (this year is valid for TRA and not for CIR)-it is 99% sure, that Luca Rossetti will attend this rally (it is his home rallye) with his Fabia S2000. On the other hand, no Felice Re, as he won all races in TRA this season...At least hope for his son Alesandro with DS3R3T.
If Luca comes, he will give some lessons to WRC drivers (Porro, DeCecco, Fontana).....It will be also a nice comparison for Alex Humar, who is unbeatable this year in Slovenia (the race is valid for Slovenian championship) as both are in the same cars.

[Tom206wrc]

Entrylist Friuli published on 48° Rally del Friuli - Alpi Orientali | 31 Agosto - 1° Settembre 2012 (http://www.rallyalpiorientali.it/) ;)

[adr17]

Entrylist Friuli published on 48° Rally del Friuli - Alpi Orientali | 31 Agosto - 1° Settembre 2012 (http://www.rallyalpiorientali.it/) ;)

is this the seeded list ?

car 78 marko jeram ???? seems way too far down

[Ucci]

Few sentences over Rally Alpi Orientali-I was yesterday whole day spectating it and I managed to see four yesterday's stages (out of six). First to the overal winner: Paolo Porro-he was already from the spectating clearly the fastest, very nice lines, smooth, Focus WRC has amazing grip....Luca Rosseti-nothing to add to one of the best world rally driver, reasonably the fastest driver in S2000 class. There were also others, who impressed me: Crungola, Martinis, Re, DeLuna. I was also positively impressed over Megan N4 performance, the car is very loud and has huge torque, somethimes to much....
One word for our Slovenian drivers: it is clearly that they are not used to drive on the surface, which has so much grip. They still drive rough, breaking to much, the lines were not ideal, as that they do not trust to the grip. Therefore our driver Humar had no chance against L.Rossetti. But at the end-fourth place for him is a very good result.

[Tom206wrc]

Surprise !!!! Next week Robert Kubica will run the Rally San Martino di Castrozza, counting for CIR and TRA... :eek: :eek:

He will run in a Subaru Impreza WRC in the TRA part ;)

[dimviii]

Kubica torna a gareggiare e farà un rally! - Rally / Autosprint - Auto.it (http://www.auto.it/autosprint/rally/2012/09/06-11604/Kubica+torna+a+gareggiare+e+far%C3%A0+un+rally)

[Bartek]

Looks like it is official, Robert will start in short rally Ronde Gomitolo di Lana with Impreza S12.

[kober]

It's actually Impreza S12B, run by Belgian First Motorsport. The start in Sunday's Ronde Gomitolo di Lana will be a preparation for the following weekend's Rallye San Martino di Castrozza.

[tolis]

Looks like it is official, Robert will start in short rally Ronde Gomitolo di Lana with Impreza S12.

Entry list: http://www.psarally.com/images/2012/lana/iscritti.pdf

Can't see him

[Jarek Z]

Latest news - according to Jak nie Impreza to Fabia - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/jak-nie-impreza-to-fabia,44678) Subaru Impreza WRC may not be ready on time. If First Motorsport doesn't manage to prepare the car, Kubica is going to use his own Skoda Fabia WRC. Good luck Robert! :up:

[Jarek Z]

Entry list: http://www.psarally.com/images/2012/lana/iscritti.pdf

Can't see him

Rumour says that Kubica will drive instead of Crugnola as car no. 3.

[tolis]

Rumour says that Kubica will drive instead of Crugnola as car no. 3.

Andrea Crugnola today

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/424706_194625137336667_136736365_n.jpg

[rallye-vid]

Mhhhh..

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557514_10151027140735754_1715040002_n.jpg

[rallye-vid]

http://i46.tinypic.com/5w9qnn.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... t=1&ref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151198937420733&set=a.212426225732.174439.206160890732&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/250225_10151075459203952_867703052_n.jpg

[Bartek]

I can't believe Robert is back :) Shake is from 12:00 so now we must wait for some news and times.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402221_4517737747310_1508879698_n.jpg

[rallye-vid]

Kubica said in an interview, he want be back to F1 in 2014

[AP-Racing]

robert kubica Rally 'Ronde Gomitolo di Lana' 08/09/12 sky1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNLjZAGHaQ)

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185081_354364261315952_1722103796_n.jpg

[dimviii]

translate please?

[kober]

What happened to Andrea Crugnola then?

[noel157]

translate please?

Please. +1. My Italian only involves food, mostly pasta............

[peter_85]

He said that his start in this rally is just next step of rehabilitation. He want to be ready to something in next year. But now he don't have any concrete plans and don't think about WRC in 2013 or F1 in 2014.

[rallye-vid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI5eIyMenfE

[darkstar]

are there some results of this rallye somewhere?

[rallye-vid]

Tomorrow: http://www.cronometristi.net/public/risultati/Rally/NAZ/BIELLA0909201201/index.html

But nothing from the shakedown yet..

[noel157]

Robert Kubica !!! Ronde Gomitolo di Lana (Subaru Impreza WRC 06) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RObMnSvao54&feature=channel&list=UL)

[rallye-vid]

Another one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMqiCVamh-s

[rallye-vid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIks6ZFgXrM

[dimviii]

gear change with left hand
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578496_350101161739414_1757637429_n.jpg

Нашел крутой растровый клипарт для фотошопа (http://www.mr-art.ru) mr-art.ru

[dimviii]

Kubica fastest through 1 st pass!

[rallye-vid]

2nd pass fastest again :)

http://www.cronometristi.net/public/risultati/Rally/NAZ/BIELLA0909201201/CIDA111.HTM

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

On the second pass he is already 16.6 seconds faster than the second fastest, almost 2 secs/km. Forza Kubica

[Raven]

gear change with left hand
Why do you think so? Paddles are on both sides of the steering wheel.
The true test of Kubica will be on the Rally San Martino di Castrozza, where he will race against real drivers and with "normal" gearbox lever (as he will drive p207 s2000).

[dimviii]

Why do you think so? Paddles are on both sides of the steering wheel.


on s12b? i dont think so.

[rallye-vid]

Some polish media says the car is prepared for Robert to change the gears only with the left hand


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zynMqCEVBB0

[Raven]

on s12b? i dont think so.
I thought the are on both sides but after looking on the previous photo it looks like there is only one :(
And what about Rally San Martiono? Am I right he is doing it in P207 S2000 or he will use Impreza WRC (as it's allowed in TRA)?

[rallye-vid]

Probably again the Impreza WRC

[Jarek Z]

Kubica wins all the stages of the rally and off course the whole event! Congratulations Robert! Good luck next week! :up:

[Ucci]

Robert-you are LEGEND !! One year and the half after horrible accident and to seat again in the rally car, this time even in the WRC, well, there is yust one word: respect.....
I think-if he will also use next weekend WRC, we already have a winner.....

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSlVaLUz_yE&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

http://www.ralsys.com/irally_admin/news_images/Kubica%20Wins.jpg

[rallye-vid]

Next weekend Robert will drive the Impreza WRC again @San Martino di Castrozza Rally, but not all stages

Kubica i Basso na San Martino (+ VIDEO) - Rallyonline.pl - rajdy samochodowe! (http://rallyonline.pl/kubica-i-basso-na-san-martino-video_37679.html)

[Jarek Z]

Despite today's win it doesn't look good :(

[rallye-vid]

Maybe not enough power in the right hand to drive the whole rally

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[Raven]

Next weekend Robert will drive the Impreza WRC again @San Martino di Castrozza Rally, but not all stages

He won't drive all stages bucause TRA event is shorter - 5 stages instead of 11 in CIR. Another reason is that changing gears in cars allowed in CIR is harder and it looks his hand is not ready for this.

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[Mirek]

Cars without hydraulic gearshift will sure be more difficult for Robert but he can always switch for RHD cars (Fiesta or Mini for example) where the lever is on the left hand ;)

[dimviii]

"I wasn't looking for a result at any cost," Kubica was quoted as saying by Gazzettadello Sport.
"I knew that driving is a bit like riding a bicycle, you can't forget how to do it, but I wanted to verify my psycho-physical conditions in a competition, and I got positive feelings.
"The road is still long, but in a few days' time I will face a real rally with a lot more confidence.
"Had my conditions been better, I wouldn't be here. But for now, having taken part and won the Ronde Gomitolo di Lana is enough."
Co-driver Giuliano Manfredi added: "It was fun. I have known Robert for some time and I had expected to see him agitated at least at times. Instead he was always calm and focused."

Robert Kubica says confidence boosted by rally victory - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102436)

[NICK2255]

3° Rally Ronde Gomitolo di Lana - PURE CAR SOUNDS!
Hope you like this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uei3ndTlgk

[tolis]

Rally di San Martino top entries

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/3397_4679025696862_677922331_n.jpg

[rallye-vid]

And here the "Trofeo Rally Asfalto" entry list: http://www.rallysanmartino.com/2012/download/elencoiscritti_tra_ch.pdf

7 WRC cars. Robert in Impreza WRC

[stefanvv]

Kubica wins all the stages of the rally and off course the whole event! Congratulations Robert! Good luck next week! :up:

Gentlemen, hats off. :)

[rallye-vid]

Robert onboard ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB0YiPrcq-0

[Ucci]

This weekend will see the real value of Giandomenico Basso performance-he will drive on this occasin NA Fiesta S2000, so this time no advantage in huge torque, which would gave him undoubtedly huge advantage in this rally (a lot of harpins, it is a ''mountain'' route).
I'm expecting good fight betweeen him, Andreucci and young Scandola. And on some stages it will be possible to compare time of best S2000 drivers against Kubica & other WRC gentelman drivers....

[Mirek]

Basso proved his qualities enough times.

[rallye-vid]

Kubica testing for San Martino


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NhGu1T3p0Y

[Wim_Impreza]

This weekend will see the real value of Giandomenico Basso performance-he will drive on this occasin NA Fiesta S2000, so this time no advantage in huge torque, which would gave him undoubtedly huge advantage in this rally (a lot of harpins, it is a ''mountain'' route).
I'm expecting good fight betweeen him, Andreucci and young Scandola. And on some stages it will be possible to compare time of best S2000 drivers against Kubica & other WRC gentelman drivers....

Why you could only say good words about your favorite drivers Paolo Andreucci and Felice Re?

[Ucci]

Why you could only say good words about your favorite drivers Paolo Andreucci and Felice Re?

I did not mentioned F.Re anytime in the relation to San Martino di Castrozza......And I mentoined also Scandola, who is also capable to drive competetive stage times against Ucci. Others are not capable, sorry....and it is no Andreucci's fault....he won six championship crowns after 2001, that gives him some credit.
And I was als very critical over Andreucci's performance after Targa....yust look back few coloumns.

[Ucci]

Unfortunately no Basso this weekend at S.M.di Castrozza. I don't know the reason, but Basso was able to start, but after that the car stayed in the service park....Anyway, after second stage Andreucci in the lead by yust a second in front of Scandola.

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like mechanical problems for Basso, no ??? :confused:
What about Colombini's retirement ??? :(

Very good duel between Ucci and Scando' :cool:
Also very good duel for third between Albertini and Perico :p :

[mousti]

Budget they negotiated with a sponsor untill the start of the rally..

[tolis]

Budget they negotiated with a sponsor untill the start of the rally..

Maybe that's why the white

http://www.rallylink.it/cms12/images/phocagallery/sanmartino12/giovedi_1/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_04_basso.jpg

[tolis]

Kubica had a small off. He'll start tonight!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270694_356417984443913_358521793_n.jpg

[mousti]

Seems he found a ditch there :D nice that they are teaming again with eachother Kubica - Gerber

[Mirek]

Scandola is leading now!

[Tom206wrc]

Scandola is leading now!

Not for long, believe me ;)

[darkstar]

Kubica had a small off. He'll start tonight!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270694_356417984443913_358521793_n.jpg

was that at shakedown?

[rallye-vid]

Yes

[Bartek]

yes, it was at shakedown, no major problem with a car

[Tom206wrc]

Retirement for Kubica on SS3 San Martino(TRA) :confused:

[tolis]

Unfortunately yes... :(

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/564337_282616435176881_1406050249_n.jpg

[Ucci]

A lot is happening at the moment in the northeren Italy: in the CIR classification young U.Scandola is showing his speed (and obviously Fabia's better performance towards 207) and is already in the lead by 5 seconds in front of veteran P.Andreucci. All others are second league....
Speaking for TRA: in the moment C.Fontana is in front of Sciessere and Porro, but more important is, that Robert Kubica & co-driver are OK as the had a quite severe accident on the second stage of the day; they've hit a telegraph pole and the stage was stopped. On the previous stage Kubica was no match to Porro, Fontana and Sciessere....
On the top of this, Matteo Gamba could not start in the morning from the ''Parco Chiouso'', later his engineers found that during the night someone broke in the car and damaged the ECU....

[Tom206wrc]

Good Kubica and Gerber are safe... ;)

SHAME on the guy who did sabotage to Gamba's car :mad:

[Mirek]

Not for long, believe me ;)

Scandola still leading ;)

[uranium]

SHAME on the guy who did sabotage to Gamba's car :mad:

What's up??

[Mirek]

Scandola out in last stage. Seems to be mechanical problem rather than crash...

[Tom206wrc]

Legendary LUCK of Paolo Andreucci: Umberto Scandola STOPPED on last stage of the Rally San Martino he was clearly dominating !!!! :eek: :eek:
Seems to be something wrong with anterior wheels of the Skoda :confused:

[dimviii]

Found this picture on facebook:
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/218027_10151251368183083_1208911032_n.jpg
what are these cutten cables tommecke?

[Tom206wrc]

What's up??



A cable of the engine(??)of Gamba's 207 was cut(not accidentaly or naturally)during night...there was even police(carabinieri in italian) investigating the story, CSAI published a press release on this "affair" :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

what are these cutten cables tommecke?

Matteo Gamba's car(reason he didn't run today's leg)...a SCANDAL :mad:

[dimviii]

what are these cutten cables tommecke?

Aha Gambas 207 cables to ecu?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Someone managed to get in the overnight parc and in the car and did this... Normally nobody except drivers and codrivers can enter the parc fermé...?

Officially yes. But realistically someone who has plans to sabotage or destroy a car can and will find a way to enter :(

[Ucci]

Legendary LUCK of Paolo Andreucci: Umberto Scandola STOPPED on last stage of the Rally San Martino he was clearly dominating !!!! :eek: :eek:
Seems to be something wrong with anterior wheels of the Skoda :confused:

what to say?? Shame for Scandola, he was clearly the fastest and deserved the victory. But that is rallying.....On the other side it is a clear message that 207, even in 2012 spec is no match even on dry tarmac against Fabia...

[noel157]

what to say?? Shame for Scandola, he was clearly the fastest and deserved the victory. But that is rallying.....On the other side it is a clear message that 207, even in 2012 spec is no match even on dry tarmac against Fabia...

Mostly but depends who is driving...... :)

[Ondra WRC]

Scandola:
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285397_4126744259618_1648657656_n.jpg

[Mirek]

OMG, what is going on in Italy???

[dimviii]

what are these? nails? :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

Sure looks like that. Definitely something arranged.

[noel157]

I think Loix in Ypres was a good example... ;)

I had somebody else in mind............. :)

[Mirek]

That was already few years back...

[Mirek]

A friend sent me this photo

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560529_10151086090503952_1122472239_n.jpg

[NICK2255]

56° Rally Coppa Valtellina 2012

Rally Car Sound Battle - 56° Rally Coppa Valtellina 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTjspnwjNhs)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTjspnwjNhs

[noel157]

A friend sent me this photo

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560529_10151086090503952_1122472239_n.jpg

Who runs Scandola's Fabia?

[bluuford]

Was it Rally or casting of next James Bond movie in Italy?

[Jeppe]

Who runs Scandola's Fabia?

Team Skoda Italia Motorsport

Here is some more info of the UNBELIEVABLE case. People who do this kind of acts should be senteced to jail. This really does not belong to Motorsport.

[Hartusvuori]

Team Skoda Italia Motorsport

Here is some more info of the UNBELIEVABLE case. People who do this kind of acts should be senteced to jail. This really does not belong to Motorsport.

You forgot the link.

[Jeppe]

Yes I did because I was soo pissed... ;)

Ecco i chiodi visti dalla camera car di Scandola! (http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/21504/rally-san-martino-ecco-la-camera-car-di-scandola-che-mostra-i-chiodi-sulla-strada)

[bluuford]

Well.. On such case I can see only one possibility. Give zero points to everybody from this rally. Or count the results as they were before the stage when such incident happened. It is the only way to prevent such things to happen in the future.

[Ucci]

Well.. On such case I can see only one possibility. Give zero points to everybody from this rally. Or count the results as they were before the stage when such incident happened. It is the only way to prevent such things to happen in the future.

100% agree-when such thing happens, immediately stop the rally and take in consider the results from previous stage. After all, this kind of thing are life-threatening. Person who is capable of committing such nasty act is mature for a madhouse....

[werner]

I think zero points for that race. Is it true that this attack was just after the start? So impossible that nobody has seen this.

[mousti]

Heavy crash

SUPER CRASH GRASSO-CHIARLE [11° Moscato Rally 2012] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY69-6RDZZQ)

[Ucci]

Heavy crash

SUPER CRASH GRASSO-CHIARLE [11° Moscato Rally 2012] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY69-6RDZZQ)

I hope both driver and co-driver are OK !! As for the vineyard, they won't make a lot of vine from this particular vineyard......

[noel157]

Scary crash but both crew seem ok (onboard):

SUPER CRASH SPAVENTOSO 6°Piena - Rally Camera Car - Rally Moscato 2012 (Grasso-Chiarle)Clio S.1600 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl7r0Skn4_E&feature=related)

[Jarek Z]

When First Motorsport manage to repair their Subaru after Kubica's crash on time, the next event for Robert will be Rally Citta di Bassano.

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end Rally Appeninno Reggiano(TRA tarmac event)penultimate round of the Citroën Racing Trophy Italia ;)

[Ucci]

This coming week-end Rally Appeninno Reggiano(TRA tarmac event)penultimate round of the Citroën Racing Trophy Italia ;)

Here is the entry list: ::::::::::::::: 36° RALLY APPENNINO REGGIANO ::::::::::::::: (http://www.rallyappenninoreggiano.org/iscri.htm)

IMHO we can expect good fight between F.Re, C.Fontana and P.Porro. And of course DS3 Trophy......Pajunen has obviously a busy schedule-few day ago with Fiesta S2000 on Yalta Rally, now back in Twingo R2B.

[Ucci]

Great news : CSAI :: News (http://www.csai.aci.it/index.php?id=451&news=7806)

Umberto Scandola won the San Martino di Castrozza Rally. It is the final decision made by CSAI. Fair !!!

[werner]

The only right decision! And for Andreucci I think he is a fair sportsman and he support this decision!

[Jarek Z]

And one thing more. I don't know if you heard it, but Alex Perico, as a fair play gesture, decided to give the Privateers' Cup that he won, to Matteo Gamba!

[Ucci]

The only right decision! And for Andreucci I think he is a fair sportsman and he support this decision!
He already stated on the post-race conference, that he don't like to win on this way-with his main rival retiring on this way.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yes, Perico said that Gamba was faster on the stegs the whole season and that the last rally had nothing to do with sport. Massive respect for Alex Perico in my eyes ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Corsican Pierre Campana back in rallying: he will drive a 207 S2000 on next week's rally Città di Bassano in order to prepare rally Sanremo/IRC :)

[Tom206wrc]

Here is the entry list: ::::::::::::::: 36° RALLY APPENNINO REGGIANO ::::::::::::::: (http://www.rallyappenninoreggiano.org/iscri.htm)

IMHO we can expect good fight between F.Re, C.Fontana and P.Porro. And of course DS3 Trophy......Pajunen has obviously a busy schedule-few day ago with Fiesta S2000 on Yalta Rally, now back in Twingo R2B.


Felice Re leading the first leg of Appennino ahead of Corrado Fontana and Paolo Porro :cool:
In the Trofeo DS3 Andrea Crugnola leading in front of Rudy Michelini and Federico Tagliapietra ;)

[NICK2255]

36° Rally Dell'Appennino Reggiano 2012 - Pure car sounds!
Hope you enjoy it!


36° Rally Dell'Appennino Reggiano - PURE CAR SOUNDS! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFe6oPPGUL4)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFe6oPPGUL4

[Jarek Z]

The entry list for Rally Citta di Bassano doesn't look bad :)
http://www.bassanorally.it/foto/doc/ELENCO%20ISCRITTI%284%29.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

I wish better luck to Robert Kubica :)
And of course all the best to Pierre Campana :p :

[rallye-vid]

Shakedown Rally Citta di Bassano


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOOYGz-RMs

[rallye-vid]

Live Results: Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=107&p_Manifestazione=11)

Kubica fastest on SS1.. I hope he will bring it home this time ;)

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Live Results: Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=107&p_Manifestazione=11)

Kubica fastest after stage one

[Tom206wrc]

Oriella took the lead over the WRCs in his S2000(rally Bassano)after SS2 this morning :p :

[Tom206wrc]

That damn FICR website isn't working anymore can't see results of the long SS3 :mad:

[Bartek]

Knockout on stage 5 :) I think it's dry from now

[rallye-vid]

I hope he will bring it home this time ;)

Looks like he will.. ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Oh my, I was worried after looking at the first 4 stages thinking that RK has either lost it since his big accident or that a S12b Subaru is outpaced even for the King himself... However, 15 seconds on stage 5 (12 km!) shows that things are coming back in place ;) Hopefully it's not the end ;)

[Bartek]

live results dead?

[rallye-vid]

Yep :(

[Bartek]

ok i found P.S. 6 1.Kubica 15'14"7 2.Sossella 15'45"1 3.Longhi 16'08"2 4.Gentilini 16'13"3 5.Campana 16'23"3 P.S. 7 1.Kubica 4'59"0 2.Sossella 5'11"0 3.Campana 5'14"0 4.Oriella 5'19"8 5.Gentilini 5'22"8 DOPO P.S.7 1.Kubica in 1h02'16"1 2.Sossella a 58"9 3.Gentilini 2'25"2 4.Campana 3'02"6 5.Oriella 3'03"3

More than 30seconds on 6 stage :)

[dimviii]

ss7
Kubica 4,59
Sossella +12
Campana +15
Oriella +20,8

overall Sossella +58sec

[Raven]

Ss7:
1. 4 POL R. KUBICA A 4'59.0
I E. INGLESI A8WRC
SUBARU IMPREZA S12B
2. 1 i m. Sossella a 5'11.0 12.0
i w. Nicola a8wrc
citroen c4 wrc
3. 8 f p. Campana n 5'14.0 15.0
f s. De castelli s-2000
peugeot 207 - s2000
4. 12 i p. Oriella n 5'19.8 20.8
i s. Tommasini s-2000
peugeot 207 - s2000
5. 6 i v. Gentilini a 5'22.8 23.8
i e. Gastaldello a8wrc
citroen xsara wrc

After SS7:
1. 4 POL R. KUBICA A 1:02'16.1
I E. INGLESI A8WRC
SUBARU IMPREZA S12B
2. 1 I M. SOSSELLA A 1:03'15.0 58.9
I W. NICOLA A8WRC
CITROEN C4 WRC
3. 6 I V. GENTILINI A 1:04'41.3 2'25.2
I E. GASTALDELLO A8WRC
CITROEN XSARA WRC
4. 8 F P. CAMPANA N 1:05'18.7 3'02.6
F S. DE CASTELLI S-2000
PEUGEOT 207 - S2000
5. 12 I P. ORIELLA N 1:05'19.4 3'03.3
I S. TOMMASINI S-2000
PEUGEOT 207 - S2000

[rallye-vid]

He should stay with italian co-drivers.

[Raven]

He should stay with italian co-drivers.
Ehm, where is the most needed and always missing "dislike" button?

[rallye-vid]

No need for it :p

[Ucci]

Co-pilot or not, the most important: Kubica is BACK !! And what in a way!!!

[rallye-vid]

:D

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rdkcv5.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Congratulations to Robert! :up:

But damn it, Longhi is slow these days! To be so easily beaten by an unexperienced driver with a broken hand would be impossible a few years ago...

Two nice videos from Rally Citta di Bassano can be found here:
Brawo Kubica! Na video zobaczysz jak perfekcyjnie wygrywa (http://motoryzacja.interia.pl/news/brawo-kubica-na-video-zobaczysz-jak-perfekcyjnie-wygrywal,1847684)

There are rumours that Kubica may be present on Condroz Rally.

[PLuto]

Dont forget that Longhi was also driving Mini, which is slower than "older" WRC cars...

[Mirek]

Compared Impreza S12 on Italian roads? I wouldn't bet. It's quite old car, not best asphalt car even in its days and moreover pretty big.

[mousti]

S12b isn't a slow car though in the hands of First Motorsport and a good driver, look in French Championship, Brunson was one of the fastest drivers against Cuoq who's quite fast too in a Ford Focus WRC.

[Mirek]

I don't say it slow but I'm far from being sure it's faster than Mini WRC on these extremely technical roads.

[Jarek Z]

Rally Citta di Bassano was apparently Kubica's last rally in Subaru Impreza WRC. He is going to drive a different car from now on. In today's Rally dell'Alta Val Tidone he was driving Renault Clio S1600 as a "zero car". The event was won by Mauro Tiramani (Citroen Xsara WRC).

[NICK2255]

Great driving skill with a AWD Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX group N4 at the 2012 Rally Ronde Valsassina
Driver: Gilardoni Gilles


Great Driving Skill with Lancer EVO IX N4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReO8z94L6g8)

[mousti]

Is this a potential plan or just a guess of a fan..


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542571692435185&set=a.541127172579637.145384.541116262580728&type=1&theater

[dimviii]

Is this a potential plan or just a guess of a fan..


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542571692435185&set=a.541127172579637.145384.541116262580728&type=1&theater

he wants it
https://fr.twitter.com/CitroenRacing

[tolis]

Entry list for this weekend's Rally Ronde Balcone delle Marche: http://www.prsgroup.it/attachments/article/31/Elenco%20Iscritti%20Definitivo.pdf

[Jarek Z]

Rally Trofeo ACI Como, the last round of Trofeo Rally Asfalto will be held on November 16-17. Entry list will be closed on Nov 12, but potential top competitors are already known:
Robert Kubica (C4 WRC)
Felice Re (C4 WRC)
Paolo Porro (Focus WRC)
Corrado Fontana (Focus WRC)
Luigi Fontana (Focus WRC)
Marco Silva

[Ucci]

Rally Trofeo ACI Como, the last round of Trofeo Rally Asfalto will be held on November 16-17. Entry list will be closed on Nov 12, but potential top competitors are already known:
Robert Kubica (C4 WRC)
Felice Re (C4 WRC)
Paolo Porro (Focus WRC)
Corrado Fontana (Focus WRC)
Luigi Fontana (Focus WRC)
Marco Silva

Yes, important rallye as the overall winner for this season is still unknown. Best chances has F.Re, but theoretical also P.Porro and C.Fontana are ''in the game''.
Who will win this rally, is not hard to imagine.....

[Tom206wrc]

Next week is also Rally Costa Smeralda(gravel)last round of CIR ;)
But I fear a poor entrylist in S2000s though :s

[NICK2255]

1° Monza Ronde by Vedovati Corse 2012 pure car sound!




1° Ronde Vedovati 2012 - PURE CAR SOUND! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC3AUPD6pSA#)

[rallye-vid]

Rally Trofeo ACI Como, the last round of Trofeo Rally Asfalto will be held on November 16-17. Entry list will be closed on Nov 12 (...)

http://www.rallydicomo.com/images/stories/2012/iscritti.pdf

[Jarek Z]

Kubica's new car:
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/479772_10151166730983952_1027127444_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Next week is also Rally Costa Smeralda(gravel)last round of CIR ;)
But I fear a poor entrylist in S2000s though :s


Official entrylist Rally Costa Smeralda Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_entrylist.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=2&p_Manifestazione=4&p_Gara=1)

Ucci goes for a new win as he has no pressure of championship anymore :p :

[Salist]

Monza Rally Show - 2012.Nov.23-25.

Official website (http://monzarallyshow.it/)
Itinerary (http://monzarallyshow.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145&Itemid=112&lang=en)

[dimviii]

Kubica's new car:
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/479772_10151166730983952_1027127444_n.jpg

a small video of Kubica with c4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbhlVwruxCY

[rallye-vid]

A bit longer ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=27bLU5quzDE

[Kielder]

I hope Robert is in the world of rallying for many years: BBC Sport - Robert Kubica reveals he 'can't drive single seaters' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20351833)
Best wishes to him.

[Bartek]

I hope Robert is in the world of rallying for many years: BBC Sport - Robert Kubica reveals he 'can't drive single seaters' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20351833)
Best wishes to him.

Maybe WTCC with Citroen.... who knows, now fingers crossed for good start in Como

[Jarek Z]

Kubica was fastest on yesterday's shakedown. The first special stage today has already started. So far Kubica is fastest.

[Jarek Z]

Kubica wins stage 2 as well. He is 10 seconds faster than Corrado Fontana. I have to say that I don't understand it at all!

[HaCo]

What do you not understand?

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[Kielder]

Live timing of the event: http://www.cronocomo.it/web/2012/2012/RyComo12/index.html

[rallye-vid]

http://www.cronocomo.it/web/2012/2012/RyComo12/index.html

[Mirek]

Kubica wins stage 2 as well. He is 10 seconds faster than Corrado Fontana. I have to say that I don't understand it at all!

I don't understand You :) What You don't understand?

[Jarek Z]

I don't understand You :) What You don't understand?

I simply don't get it. The drivers like Re and Fontana have been competing in rallies for more than 10 years. They are on their home ground. They know their cars well. And they are so easily beaten (at least so far) by a rookie with a broken hand :)

[MartijnS]

They're just not that good? ;)
Pedersoli was also terrible at Rally Sardegna.

[Mirek]

Yes, drivers like Re or Fontana are no competition for top Italian drivers as well - be it Basso, Andreucci, Rossetti or Scandola.

[Kielder]

Another scratch to complete a perfect loop this morning. Great.

[tommeke_B]

@ Jarek Z, I think you can probably compare the level of Fontana, Pedersoli etc to guys like Olekskowicz. ;)

[Jarek Z]

@ Jarek Z, I think you can probably compare the level of Fontana, Pedersoli etc to guys like Olekskowicz. ;)

I can't agree. Oleksowicz has been competing for years in top cars and never won anything important. Fontana at least won a few international events, so I expected more from him...

[tommeke_B]

When Fontana drove in Ypres, he lost at least 1s/km to the top guys, depending on the stage and conditions.

[Jarek Z]

And Oleksowicz lost 3 :)
eWRC-results.com - results Geko Ypres Rally 2011 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=2649&d=115620&t=Geko-Ypres-Rally-2011)

[PLuto]

I can't agree. Oleksowicz has been competing for years in top cars and never won anything important. Fontana at least won a few international events, so I expected more from him...

Everything depends on surface, type of stages. Macek made a big progress on the beginning of year 2011, especially on Croatia Rally he was able to be on same speed like Iliev, Betti or Longhi (despite he had technical problems), and Bosphorus Rally, where he was fighting for overall win with Avci, Travaglia and Betti. He has never been good on fast bumpy tarmac like Ypres or Barum. I think that Macek and Corrado are on similar level - on some events they are able to be very fast, on others only average...

[dimviii]

At Costa Smeralda Ucci took 18,6 sec from Scandola at stage1
Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_stagetimes.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=2&p_Manifestazione=4&p_Gara=1&p_ProvaSpeciale=1)

[Mintexmemory]

He has never been good on fast bumpy tarmac like Ypres or Barum.
And judging from what I saw last week not so hot on wet gravel or smooth tarmac either.
At the start of this season I would have rated him as being ahead of Al Rajhi but Yazeed has improved considerably throughout the year, he has not. In fact he has usually been beaten by the Proton newbies in the second car. Maybe it is just that he doesn't travel well.

[PLuto]

Dont compare SWRC with different championships. SWRC is not about to be fast, but about to be in finish. He knows easy that he cannot fight with Andersson or Breen on same speed. So for him was better to go normal speed and wait for mistakes of his rivals... This is the best strategy to be a champion :)

[Mintexmemory]

Dont compare SWRC with different championships. SWRC is not about to be fast, but about to be in finish. He knows easy that he cannot fight with Andersson or Breen on same speed. So for him was better to go normal speed and wait for mistakes of his rivals... This is the best strategy to be a champion :)
Not so slow though that you end up being beaten by Gp N! He wasn't competing he was touring. Andersson and Breen were not his rivals. Cave and Fisher were. Only Llovera was going slower in Catalunya and he has a reason to accept finishing as an achievement

[Jarek Z]

In the meantime Kubica wins stages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 :)

I have found something interesting about the experience of both Fontana and Re. Are you aware that Fontana won Rally Como already 5 times and Re 3 times? :)
Trofeo Aci Como - Albo d'Oro (http://www.rallydicomo.com/index.php/zo)

[Jarek Z]

Everything depends on surface, type of stages. Macek made a big progress on the beginning of year 2011, especially on Croatia Rally he was able to be on same speed like Iliev, Betti or Longhi (despite he had technical problems), and Bosphorus Rally, where he was fighting for overall win with Avci, Travaglia and Betti. He has never been good on fast bumpy tarmac like Ypres or Barum. I think that Macek and Corrado are on similar level - on some events they are able to be very fast, on others only average...

Maciek is a nice guy, but results don't lie. He has never won anything in WRC, ERC, even in Polish championship. It's not a coincidence. Corrado is at least able to win rallies or even championships.

[Tom206wrc]

At Costa Smeralda Ucci took 18,6 sec from Scandola at stage1
Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_stagetimes.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=2&p_Manifestazione=4&p_Gara=1&p_ProvaSpeciale=1)


And 17" more in SS2 :p :

[dimviii]

At Costa Smeralda Ucci took 18,6 sec from Scandola at stage1
Rally FICr (http://rally.ficr.it/tab_stagetimes.asp?p_Anno=2012&p_Codice=2&p_Manifestazione=4&p_Gara=1&p_ProvaSpeciale=1)

+17,7 at 2nd stage total 36,3 for Ucci at 2 stages...

[mousti]

Maciek is a nice guy, but results don't lie. He has never won anything in WRC, ERC, even in Polish championship. It's not a coincidence. Corrado is at least able to win rallies or even championships.

Because in that championship it are all gentlemendrivers. WRC and ERC always have some fast drivers. Same in your own country Kajetanowicz blazingly fast with the Impreza:

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[Tom206wrc]

In Como nice run of Alessandro Re and Alex Vittalini for the leadership of 2WDs :)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUFkldNubNk

[urabus-denoS2000]

Things are perfectly clear to me ;) Go Robert ;)