Rally Wrc Monte Carlo 2017

[Mintexmemory]

Wondering if Citroen are willing to degrade Lefebvre to a DS3 in 2017 and sign Mikkelsen. Meeke, Mikkelsen and Breen would be a really good line up..

At the risk of upsetting the Gauls (already managed that this morning!) - not unless he changes his name to Andre-Michel Senn

[Bartek]

agrrrrrrr!!!!
WHY?

He is moving, probably he was in a ditch

[tolx]

Not normal level of traffic - the tragedy had a lot to do with it. You are right in saying this rally is unpredictable, lots still to happen. Remember Bobby K in 2014.

Yeah, scrolled through that in the morning. Yesterday switched the stream on just in the moment of crash.
But this makes me eager to try to see RMC live next year.

[Lead]

Hope Tanak will not push too hard... we know what happens when he crosses the line...

[J_n_z]

you have to be patient for that, real season starts in mexico kid.

Sorry I am far from kid,...

By first times (this is what we have for now) Toyota is up there in the mix so... flop or N.O.T. flop.

[ELPE]

Mikkelsen only in 3:d place in WRC2, and he is a winner in WRC!!

[cosmin_sb]

Astier Raphael faster in Peugeot 208R2 that Ewans in WRC car :D

[danon]

Oh hEavens... who gives you a WRCar to drive... a WRC mechanic changing Ogier's tires fits you best.

[jparker]

After Evans mumbling at the end of the stage, and not giving any rational explanation why was he that slow, I think he's just playing dirty games.

[WRC17]

wrc radio not working

[René]

live stage 4

https://www.facebook.com/RallyeAddictCom/videos/

[tolx]

Tanak loosing to Neuvillle after spilt 2.

[EstWRC]

and takes back in split3, +3.5 to Neuville there

[Lead]

Mikkelsen only in 3:d place in WRC2, and he is a winner in WRC!!
Its only one stage and he is still 1st overall in WRC2.

[Mintexmemory]

Meanwhile Hanninern continues to surprise!

[raybak]

Hanninen may still catch Evans with the current speed at splits.

[tolx]

And even 2 monitors are not enogh to follow all in the moment :D

[EstWRC]

Tänak may have had a spin between split and split 2

[jparker]

Hanninen may still catch Evans with the current speed at splits.

Indeed. It's a very long stage.

[EstWRC]

Meeke is gone

[WRC17]

live stage 4

https://www.facebook.com/RallyeAddictCom/videos/

any other live stages this rally?

[mousti]

Abbring losing almost 20 minutes. His reputation of crasher getting confirmed.

[René]

any other live stages this rally?

Stage 5

https://www.facebook.com/optic.rallyeforez?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

[tolx]

Yes, meeke stopped.
Latvala and Sordo losing 30 seconds to neuville.

[er88]

He's getting on a bit but Juho has beaten most of these guys in the IRC. He's a very capable driver

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[GravelBen]

After Evans mumbling at the end of the stage, and not giving any rational explanation why was he that slow, I think he's just playing dirty games.

Or the Dmack tyres suck in those conditions and he's playing it safe to stay on the road.

[maciotacio]

Oh boy. Kris noooooooooooo !

[itix]

Anyone know a better source of splits than the official website? It is pissing me off to no end

[macebig]

Not a great debut for the C3.

[WRC17]

Will Breen be able to score manufactures points for Citroen ?

[cosmin_sb]

Meeke stop in the stage

[itix]

Will Breen be able to score manufactures points for Citroen ?
No...

[jparker]

Or the Dmack tyres suck in those conditions and he's playing it safe to stay on the road.

He's loosing 53 sec on first split of current stage. Other drivers will do better with flat tyres.

[tc10a]

Will Breen be able to score manufactures points for Citroen ?

No, only 2017 cars

[EightGear]

Will Breen be able to score manufactures points for Citroen ?
No.

[René]

one weel off for Meeke

[jparker]

Will Breen be able to score manufactures points for Citroen ?

On the radio, they said no.

[tolx]

Tanak loses 8 seconds to neuville... not a bad start, considering the conditions.

[WRC17]

one weel off for Meeke


"that's my career over"

[car]

He's loosing 53 sec on first split of current stage. Other drivers will do better with flat tyres.

They said on radio that he has possibly cracked a transmission casing and is leaking oil. This may effect his times...

[eddy707]

Apparently Latvala didn't have time to change settings for today because of problems in the morning.

[Huufke]

https://twitter.com/elcochecero/status/822389421106462720

[Zeropt]

https://www.facebook.com/PLANETEMARCUS/videos/10154710586650733/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

[René]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q81/s480x480/16174941_10154249879846918_8259792397420855901_n.j pg?oh=4e9f474bc3dd7359752e76048a315013&oe=5909333D

[AL14]

Nice start for Citroen.

[tolx]

Doesn't look like much of a damage

[EstWRC]

Didnt expect this kind of performance from Tänak to be honest, and he took it safe according to him...very happy at the moment

[itix]

"that's my career over"
Championship hopes at least (probably)...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen the Citroen hope now.

[danon]

Toyota blow off sounds like a bird in the forest...

[Mintexmemory]

Didnt expect this kind of performance from Tänak to be honest, and he took it safe according to him...very happy at the moment

I did expect OT to perform well - also Ogier has managed to regain much of the position lost on SS3 and should be in a great road position tomorrow!

[itix]

Toyota blow off sounds like a bird in the forest...
The good old blow offs from back in the days (Subaru in particular) :)

[N.O.T]

note to self.

NEVER follow the first rally of the season through the forum... far too many plebs jumping into conclusions.

Thank god the emperors inauguration is on soon so i will not have to deal with this for much longer.

[René]

Astier again in stage 3 !

[Eric]

What a disaster this is for citroen

[danon]

Who gave this guy Evans a WRC car... total looser

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disaster for the Brits today, esp Meeke.

Ireland's Breen hopefully can keep going and get a few points.

[tc10a]

But hats off to Toyota. Hänninen third overall after SS4

[cosmin_sb]

now Mikkelsen is the faster in WRC2 and will put some time between him and the rest

[tc10a]

Mikkelsen flying in WRC2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Craig_Breen: "Conditions were even worse that the previous stage. Kris went off. It's so, so simple to make a mistake"

[Eric]

Who gave this guy Evans a WRC car... total looser

Lets give him some time. Monte Carlo isn't the easiest start.

[jparker]

Ogier just passed Latvala in the overall times. So, it's not all over for him, yet.

[danon]

the heli is following toyota ;)

[mousti]

Mikkelsen 3.5 slower than Lefebvre -_-

[tolx]

Looks like Ogier is waiting for afternoon loop to make a move. Not so much gap to 2nd place after all.

[René]

in the culture of the rally, Monte Carlo Rally is a rally which could have been invented by Hitchcock. It is not done for the sensitives Souls.

[EstWRC]

dump lefebvre and give the machine to Mikkelsen

[Lead]

Mikkelsen shows who is the boss here...

[danon]

Lets give him some time. Monte Carlo isn't the easiest start.

Evans is a time and money waster.

[itix]

We're down to 7 "issue free" wrc cars now... (non restarters).

This is usually the case on the last day, not the first day.

[COD]

No matter who Latvala has as a teammate, still only second fastest. Dump him for Mikkelsen now

[Eric]

Evans is a time and money waster.

Im afraid you are right. But lets see how he handles the next rallies

[AL14]

Do this Mikkelsen thing have to last forever?

[Zeropt]

Camilli on the R5 Fiesta only 11s back of Evans...

[GravelBen]

My goodness there is a lot of stupid being posted here today.

[tc10a]

Kremer also stuck in ditch

[itix]

Do this Mikkelsen thing have to last forever?
You're always going to have wannabe team managers with all the answers in their hands in here I'm afraid ;)

[WRC17]

Camilli on the R5 Fiesta only 11s back of Evans...

Eric Camili is not the best of drivers.........

[wwbroe]

No more splits for Lopes?

[bluuford]

Lopes is stopped quite near the start of the stage

[seb_sh]

I find it funny how people are making conclusions about drivers after 3 stages of Monte Carlo in mixed conditions with new cars. Not to mention we've talked about driver choices for months on this forum. The downside is this thread gets drowned in "noise" by comments that would be better suited to a Facebook live feed.

[Mintexmemory]

Eric Camili is not the best of drivers.........

But imagine how far back he'd be on DMacks and with a leaking transmission.

[wwbroe]

Stage 5 is live

[bluuford]

I find it funny how people are making conclusions about drivers after 3 stages of Monte Carlo in mixed conditions with new cars. Not to mention we've talked about driver choices for months on this forum. The downside is this thread gets drowned in "noise" by comments that would be better suited to a Facebook live feed.
Do not worry, when Ogier is not winning stage today then he will be thrown to WRC2 by forumers today :P

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC.com gone haywire for me trying to access it.

[Zeropt]

Eric Camili is not the best of drivers.........

Well, he is doing the Monte, meanwhile you and I we`re at home with computers in front of us... ;)

[René]

Astier stage 4 again and again with 208 R2 Great job !

[Sulland]

Pleasantly surprised by Hanninen so far I must say. Impressive!
But surface means that the results might lie on 17 car performances!

[Mintexmemory]

Do not worry, when Ogier is not winning stage today then he will be thrown to WRC2 by forumers today :P

Second run will be interesting, as will tyre usage come Sunday.

[AdvEvo]

Are Dmack studs so much worse to the Michelin ones?

[KKS]

btw
https://www.facebook.com/OpticRallye-Forez-225590097494105/ Live SS5

[cosmin_sb]

Astier stage 4 again and again with 208 R2 Great job !
yes..very good impression, who is this guy?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier quicker than Neuville !

[EightGear]

Woooo Neuville second split!

[maciotacio]

Not at second split

[KKS]

Ogier quicker than Neuville !
not at 2nd split :)

[tolx]

Sordo almost off on live stream.

[KKS]

Sordo stalled engine at hairpin at that live SS5 feed

[itix]

Where do you get your splits from? Official page has stopped working for me...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo stalled engine at hairpin at that live SS5 feed

Well slower due to that.

[KKS]

Where do you get your splits from? Official page has stopped working for me...
officailone ..... works fine for this season... and very very quick!

[Mintexmemory]

Keep it together Mr Tanak - this could be a great fight brewing

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen with a slow start, just keeping it on the road I guess.

[KKS]

And not disastrous 1st split from Evans

[tolx]

Ogier and Tanak just 1.1. second apart in the stage. Nice fight.

[EstWRC]

Keep it together Mr Tanak - this could be a great fight brewing

lost 6 secs and the gap is already 31 now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak decent again.

[wwbroe]

God first split for Evans

[EstWRC]

dmacks working again now this stage, lol

[Mintexmemory]

lost 6 secs and the gap is already 31 now

Noted, but all can change in the afternoon now they've had a good look at the stages and half a minute is nothing as has been shown in the past.

[COD]

Are Dmack studs so much worse to the Michelin ones?

Probably has more to do with rubber being too hard. Or maybe studs bending, because they are not well attached to the tyre

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans slow again now... :(

[wwbroe]

Evans slow again now... :(

Absolutely

[EstWRC]

Noted, but all can change in the afternoon now they've had a good look at the stages and half a minute is nothing as has been shown in the past.


yeap but Neuville seems just to be so good at the moment. but for what im more glad for that Tänak is matching Ogier and ive been keep telling years thathe is also good on tarmac.

[Sulland]

Looks like the DMacks are a bit off the pace in these conditions. Pity.

[EstWRC]

nooooooo, Hänninen stopped. nooo

[eddy707]

Hanninen stopped? not moving on live maps.

[Eric]

Hanninen stopped

[Bartek]

Sordo with his big experience is also slow as hell

[EightGear]

Jesus, will we get someone without problems?

[maciotacio]

The cow farmer has stopped :(

[KKS]

Ohhhhh Juho.... what a great run it can be.

[wwbroe]

Pitty for Hanninen, was doing great sofar

[wwbroe]

Good second split for Levebre

[Francis44]

Whats the surprise? This is MC every year is a gamble if there are real snowy conditions. That is why in the end the differences are huge. It also means that if you loose 2 minutes early in the rally you can still easily get it back and finish top 5.

[tolx]

Twitter says, Hanninen off the road, but no damage

[EightGear]

Decent time for Lefebvre finally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crappy WRC.com for me... :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/times_zpspnra0n4m.jpg

[maciotacio]

On rally radio they sill talking about clutch issues for Lefebvre whtout a single mention what caused that problems :rolleyes:

[Bartek]

Mikkelsen with a same pace as Sordo.

[itix]

I was watching a live camera on Facebook and I am so fed up with retarded spectators. One guy was running on the road after Breen had passed and slipped and fell over in the middle of the road... Haven't enough people died already?

What do we have to do to make spectators realise? Do we have to start shooting misbehaving people or what?

So tired of this...

[wwbroe]

Puncture front right for Kopecky

[Mintexmemory]

[QUOTE=itix;1121711]I

What do we have to do to make spectators realise? Do we have to start shooting misbehaving people or what?

QUOTE]

Errr could be counter-productive! Suggest tazers and cattle prods!

[Eric]

Mikkelsen with a same pace as Sordo.

Sordo in a 17car that he knows. Mikkelsen in a R5 that he doesn't know. Can someone please bring him back to WRC?!?

[itix]

Errr could be counter-productive! Suggest tazers and cattle prods!
Well in the long run all the people who misbehave would go away for good ;)

Remote tazers might not be a bad idea either though...

[Mintexmemory]

Top 3 in a class of their own with TN clearly very confident. Breen turning in a mature performance in a 16 vehicle. Mikkelsen shining and sparkling in the shop window. Latvala and Sordo disappointing as much as Evans.

[René]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/16195179_10154027521171901_6428022408061140236_n.j pg?oh=1867c3eb4c802fd6e2e44dc55cf72543&oe=590E7ECE

[Co-FIN]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/1770773df54ea26fea6da7666bfa196c.png


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[WRC17]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/16195179_10154027521171901_6428022408061140236_n.j pg?oh=1867c3eb4c802fd6e2e44dc55cf72543&oe=590E7ECE

I think Latvala just wants to finish in the Toyota's maiden event and in Sweden maybe in contention for the win.

[rage82]

Toyota looks and sounds amazing. Really nice looking on daylight today. Pitty for Hanninen has done some really nice stage times so far

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[GravelBen]

Latvala and Sordo disappointing as much as Evans.

You mean those drivers sitting in 4th and 5th while several others are out of the rally?

Latvala said he has been driving on a setup too stiff for the conditions because of the starting problem they had to spend the time fixing instead of adjusting the suspension. Might be better in the second loop.

Sordo never seems very fast in mixed/inconsistent conditions, he is better when grip is more predictable.

[Lead]

Sordo in a 17car that he knows. Mikkelsen in a R5 that he doesn't know. Can someone please bring him back to WRC?!?
Stop it already. We all know Mikkelsen deserves a 17 car, but bringing that up at the end of the every stage doesnt help anyone.

[COD]

Looks like the DMacks are a bit off the pace in these conditions. Pity.

Understatement of the year 😄

[WRC17]

What are the conditions for tomorrow's stages?
4 of the new WRC cars already out of the rally or points by the end of SS5, if that rate of attrition continues it could mean that Breen or Mikklesen be on the podium.

[itix]

Understatement of the year
I still wonder about that... Is it really the tires? I doubt the Dmack are that bad. It is mid R5 field level performance.

[Viking]

Who gave this guy Evans a WRC car... total looser

My guess is that they didn`t "give" him the car... They wanted Andreas to pay for drive.

[jparker]

Well in the long run all the people who misbehave would go away for good ;)

Remote tazers might not be a bad idea either though...

I think FIA must close the stages for general public and crate Designated areas for them. For the rally fans, some kind of certification process should be established (testing mental and intellectual capabilities). Only certified people should be allowed to access the Special Stages. Control should be in place, and certified people banned if they don't comply. Agree, tasers and handcuffs is another good idea.

[AdvEvo]

My guess is that they didn`t "give" him the car... They wanted Andreas to pay for drive.

Malcolm loves money!!!

Redbull is donating lots of it i quess for Ogier to drive.

[WRC17]

Any of the top 5 drivers could still win this rally the way things are going at the moment.

[Duvel]

Neuville in great form so far, hope he can keep this pace for the afternoon loop en coming days!
Seems to me the 2017 WRC's are pretty close to each other in speed. Toyota is faster than we tought.

[jparker]

My guess is that they didn`t "give" him the car... They wanted Andreas to pay for drive.

Is Evans some kind of Malcolm/Gwyndaf friendship thing? It looks like father/son project in the past.

[dimviii]

I still wonder about that... Is it really the tires? I doubt the Dmack are that bad. It is mid R5 field level performance.

most is tyres.Remember that dmack produced a new tyre for 2017 wrc cars,and they have to start from zero point again.

[Viking]

Malcom loves money!!!

Redbull is donating lots of it i quess for Ogier to drive.

Remember Petter saying that the only time he had to eat in to his own savings was driving a "factory" Ford :)

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://twitter.com/fcalispa/status/822411170514685952

[WRC17]

Can Meeke and Hanninen superraly?

Latvala should just aim to finish 4th and not take any risks on the Toyotas debut .

[itix]

I think FIA must close the stages for general public and crate Designated areas for them. For the rally fans, some kind of certification process should be established (testing mental and intellectual capabilities). Only certified people should be allowed to access the Special Stages. Control should be in place, and certified people banned if they don't comply. Agree, tasers and handcuffs is another good idea.
Not entirely realistic (says the guy who suggested to shoot stupid rally fans).

While I really enjoy that you can just turn up to RMC and spectate, maybe they should evaluate a system with rally passes and very strict marshalls that have the ability to cancel the rally pass of anyone that doesn't follow protocol. This situation has gone too far.

[mousti]

Crash of Meeke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvMcgirv-Ho

[AdvEvo]

Is Evans some kind of Malcolm/Gwyndaf friendship thing? It looks like father/son project in the past.


I like to see the best drivers in WRC cars. If they have a friendship let the guy drive some local rally s. Don't bore us with such a drive.
Mikkelsen is laughing his ass off in 7th place with an R5 between the 370hp WRC:)

Abbring should not be driving for a factory anymore. To much crashes not the talent we thought it would be.

If i would have WRC team i would call Kalle Rovenpera and give him a contract. He need a few more years but i would give him a contract for sure.

[jparker]

Crash of Meeke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvMcgirv-Ho

Ouch. Hard way to find out there are hidden obstacle on those narrow roads. Sorry for him, he didn't deserved it.

[mousti]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 3 min.3 minuten geleden
Meer
Small, but costly error. Apparently @JuhoWRC touched this tree inside of a hairpin enough to break his #YarisWRC. Picture by @eetuhellsten.

[dimviii]

this tree inside the corner Hanninen touched

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2nOZFcWEAAtl5p.jpg:large

[Mintexmemory]

Not entirely realistic (says the guy who suggested to shoot stupid rally fans).

While I really enjoy that you can just turn up to RMC and spectate, maybe they should evaluate a system with rally passes and very strict marshalls that have the ability to cancel the rally pass of anyone that doesn't follow protocol. This situation has gone too far.
The trouble is, places like Spain and Italy marshalls only understand 'strict' and have no conception in many cases of what the full range of effective marshalling involves - hell, they don't even use whistles as a warning for approach, preferring to use them in traffic cop mode for spectator control!!

[Mintexmemory]

this tree inside the corner Hanninen touched

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2nOZFcWEAAtl5p.jpg:large

Fabulous looking location! (President of the Hairpin Appreciation Hellenic Association - HaHa)

[Francis44]

What a fantastic weekend for Citroen. Meeke should know better.

[mousti]

The trouble is, places like Spain and Italy marshalls only understand 'strict' and have no conception in many cases of what the full range of effective marshalling involves - hell, they don't even use whistles as a warning for approach, preferring to use them in traffic cop mode for spectator control!!

Deutschland Rally is even worse.

[Rally Power]

Probably the guys that are now being harsh to Evans were the same that during ’15 and early ‘16 said Neuville was finished…give Evans a break, he got what it takes and did a pretty good job last year in WRC2 and BRC. On the demanding Irish stages he was as fast as Breen, despite using DMack’s.

Btw, after so many unpleasant posts on Makinen and his staff over the last months, it’d be nice to see now more people praising their fine work. Well done Tommi!

[dupanton]

Deutschland Rally is even worse.

It's not because you get in to a fight with a German marshall that they are too strict :p :p

[tolx]

About spectator control... wasn't that mentioned somewhere, that in France road rallies are free for spectators by law?
And hence, no strict control measures?

[mousti]

Those 2 guys are on the limit

https://youtu.be/KkPsoVH6A_Q

[BigWorm]

The outside of a corner is always the most dangerous for a spectator. And in a rally with with slippery roads like Monte it naturally makes the outside bend even more dangerous.

[BigWorm]

What a fantastic weekend for Citroen. Meeke should know better.

I think this was bound to happen, only a matter of when and not if.

[René]

About spectator control... wasn't that mentioned somewhere, that in France road rallies are free for spectators by law?
And hence, no strict control measures?

In France we are the country of freedoms, and we believe that the stupidity is a minority in the'spirit of the people. Therefore security controls, and advice are the rule.

[dimviii]

Sordo spin
https://youtu.be/_-dG3aTnTy8

[René]

But as Tomas Fuller said:" You can give a good advice. But who can give the intelligence to follow it?"

[drive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoDWdp4s5Zs pure sound

[drive]

https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10154987645479973/ doing sideways Tanak!!

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport 9m
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#Tyre info: all Michelin @wrc dirvers with 6 Michelin Pilot Alpin A4L/R1 studded #RallyeMonteCarlo

[jparker]

Despite all the posts about how irrelevant MC is for evaluating car and drivers at this point in time, we have seen enough to do some conclusions.
1. Ogier is fast and competitive with Ford as well. Something I didn't expect.
2. Toyota is fast enough to mix with the rest. Something I did expect.
3. Citroen and Hyundai have shown the speed to be on par with Ford and Toyota, or event better.

In short, I think we have 4 equally prepared and fast teams for 2017.

[MrJan]

Think there are a few unfair posts about Evans seeing as this is his first year back in a properly quick car and clearly the DMack tyres aren't as good. He's previously proved that hes a quick driver with a number of good results (in a dog of a Fiesta), but he needs time in the car. It's took Andreas nearly years of driving a top car before he managed to get a win so I think it's right that he's given more than 5 stages on a tricky rally before people say he's s**t.

[stefanvv]

3. Citroen and Hyundai have shown the speed to be on par with Ford and Toyota.

I may presume You didn't expected them to be so slow?

[lnvs]

Despite all the posts about how irrelevant MC is for evaluating car and drivers at this point in time, we have seen enough to do some conclusions.In short, no we haven't. Don't think it's worth to do any conclusions during Monte. :rolleyes:

[jparker]

Think there are a few unfair posts about Evans seeing as this is his first year back in a properly quick car and clearly the DMack tyres aren't as good. He's previously proved that hes a quick driver with a number of good results (in a dog of a Fiesta), but he needs time in the car. It's took Andreas nearly years of driving a top car before he managed to get a win so I think it's right that he's given more than 5 stages on a tricky rally before people say he's s**t.

I hear you, but his times were just terrible. I can't imagine tyres to have such huge impact on his speed.

[Hasselhoax]

Mikkelsen 2017 WDC
Ogier 2017 WDC
Neuville 2017 WDC
Tanak 2017 WDC
Hanninen 2017 WDC
Astier 2017 WDC

[MrJan]

In short, no we haven't. Don't think it's worth to do any conclusions during Monte. :rolleyes:

No conclusions...but...the Toyota has ability (although possibly from stage conditions/tyre advantage) to be on a similar pace, which I didn't really expect. The Hyundai can, on occasion at least, be very fast (which I definitely did expect).

However that's on the first morning of a pretty unique rally, could be completely different by the time we get to a gravel or proper tarmac event.

[jparker]

I may presume You didn't expected them to be so slow?

Well, lets say they deliver the expected :)

[car]

ogier stopped?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anywhere else for split times... WRC.com not loading properly for me. :(

[car]

Anywhere else for split times... WRC.com not loading properly for me. :(

Have they passed the first split yet? WRC.com is loaded, but no splits yet for me

[MrJan]

I hear you, but his times were just terrible. I can't imagine tyres to have such huge impact on his speed.

Possibly not...but 4 bad stages don't automatically mean that a guy doesn't deserve a drive, especially when that driver has had good results in a poor car previously.

[wwbroe]

Ogier not moving on wrc+

[car]

WRC live stages showing Ogier as stopped and passed by Sordo.

[Bartek]

Ogier not moving on wrc+

In my gps Neuville is also not moving

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Have they passed the first split yet? WRC.com is loaded, but no splits yet for me

Thanks. Can you give your link pls, in case it works for me... ?

[aykutbilir]

Also Neuville seems stop but that will be a just gps error
Lets wait and see


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[wwbroe]

WRC live stages showing Ogier as stopped and passed by Sordo.

By Neuville that is...

Edit: no you are right, only Sordo moving around

[car]

Thanks. Can you give your link pls, in case it works for me... ?

sure... http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html

[Bartek]

In my gps Neuville is also not moving

Ok, now he moved, maybe it's just problem with gps

no split from Ogier

[aykutbilir]

Neville about yo fibish Ogiet still frozen


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[MrJan]

Neuville split just flashed up as 3.54 and then disappeared :mark:

[wwbroe]

Neuville is moved up now, but Ogier still not moving?

[seb_sh]

Yeah Ogier still not moving, everyone else seems normal.

EDIT: Rally radio saying it's just a tracking problem they contacted the team and all is ok.

[wwbroe]

Who is car 77, still showing on the stage?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

sure... http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html

Cheers, but its still not got any info on it. :(

[car]

Who is car 77, still showing on the stage?

Tempestini... one of the cars from an earlier pass possibly?

[car]

Cheers, but its still not got any info on it. :(

No problem. Mine also only has one split for Neuville...

[itix]

Deutschland Rally is even worse.
I have been to both and trust me, marshaling in Germany is 10 million times better. When people stand in stupid locations or does stupid stuff the marshals at least does something. When you buy the rally pass you get a big leaflet that explains in many languages where you're supposed to stand and where not to. They have clear no-go zones etc etc.

RMC by comparison has none of these things. People turn up drunk, marshals are on their phones, people kick no-go zone signs into the bushes and stand in place of them (or simply ignore them) etc etc.

The 0 car also have to be brave enough to stop the stage if people are stood in stupid locations. Maybe they should have a triple or quadruple 0 car that go through the stage slowly and actually stop and yell at people standing in stupid locations.

People who run in the stage while it is ongoing should get a permanent ban from spectating, the fucking end.

[WRC17]

Has Ogier stopped?

[Mariusz]

Has Ogier stopped?
Probably just a gps glitch.

Edit. Yes, Ogier finishes with 18:22.8

[seb_sh]

Yeah Ogier still not moving, everyone else seems normal.

EDIT: Rally radio saying it's just a tracking problem they contacted the team and all is ok.


Has Ogier stopped?


Probably just a gps glitch.

radio confirmed timing glitch

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No problem. Mine also only has one split for Neuville...

I just get this !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/screen_zpswuwq2mfe.jpg

[MrJan]

I just get this !

Try clicking the 'Live Centre' bit. Alternatively try a different browser, although mine's working fine on CHrome.

[kraut]

Ogier has finished the stage

[TheFlyingTuga]

Is the time from Ogier right? I know that the conditions have changed from the morning, but his time it's almost 1 min quicker than Tanak's morning stage win!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big win by Neuville over Seb !

[dimviii]

Neuville more than 1 minute faster from morning

[Bartek]

Tanak not moving, let's hope it's GPS fault

[EstWRC]

wrc+ has frozen like hell

[WRC17]

Tanak not moving, let's hope it's GPS fault

Also Breen not at 1st split

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Try clicking the 'Live Centre' bit. Alternatively try a different browser, although mine's working fine on CHrome.

That is after clicking 'Live Centre' ! :(

Worked fine yesterday, today totally useless.

[car]

That is after clicking 'Live Centre' ! :(

Worked fine yesterday, today totally useless.

Try clearing cache etc and see if that works.

[dimviii]

while I watch splits can I have at same time live stage ends quotes from stages?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Got it working on Firefox ! :)

[belas]

No right click, so open another tab and select Live Text
while I watch splits can I have at same time live stage ends quotes from stages?

[Mariusz]

while I watch splits can I have at same time live stage ends quotes from stages?
Not on the same page, but a new browser or tab works.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Tanak, nice time again ! :)

[jparker]

Fist run for Ogier: 20:01.0
Second run for Ogier: 18:22.8

1.40 min faster. Is that because they have studs now?

[BigWorm]

Neuville really loving it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans crawling again... :(

[Mariusz]

Fist run for Ogier: 20:01.0
Second run for Ogier: 18:22.8

1.40 min faster. Is that because they have studs now?

Just better road conditions. They had studs before.

[EightGear]

Breen very nice.

[EstWRC]

weird those Tänak splits, a way faster than everybody else in first splits and then starts to give away

[maciotacio]

Did Ogier make some mistake at the begining ? Quite a time lost at 1st split

[dimviii]

Not on the same page, but a new browser or tab works.

at previous version we could. what sick dogs are they.....

[A FONDO]

I find it funny how people are making conclusions about drivers after 3 stages of Monte Carlo in mixed conditions with new cars.
The downside is this thread gets drowned in "noise" by comments that would be better suited to a Facebook live feed.

!!!!

[Lead]

Fist run for Ogier: 20:01.0
Second run for Ogier: 18:22.8

1.40 min faster. Is that because they have studs now?

They had studs in morning loop as well. Clearer road, corrected pacenotes.

[WRC17]

Mikklesen should be in M-sport, not Evans.

[dimviii]

Did Ogier make some mistake at the begining ? Quite a time lost at 1st split

yes seems like that

[maciotacio]

WTF is with Evans. Can't believe that Dmacks are such a shit.
> 3s/km over each stage, really ?

[userwave]

Mikklesen should be in M-sport, not Evans.

British blood runs deeper then talent.

[tomhlord]

"Remember how Ott Tanak managed to say a lot without saying anything? His DMACK successor Evans is working on his own technique.

Analysing the stages, the time-loss is all coming in the snowy sections. The split times for SS5, for example, show the Welshman dropped a second in the first three miles and a mile in the last two miles – where the road was dry. In the middle, where the snow and ice remained, he dropped 20.

DMACK has brought a new winter tyre this event and the problem is thought to lie in the compound rather than with construction or stud-retention."

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/live-follow-monte-carlo-wrc-updates-866907/

[AL14]

Mikklesen should be in M-sport, not Evans.
Please someone say this again.

[JUF]

British blood runs deeper then talent.

And French as well... Otherwise Breen would be in the C3.

[lnvs]

Fist run for Ogier: 20:01.0
Second run for Ogier: 18:22.8

1.40 min faster. Is that because they have studs now?

40sec less in the ditch. Time to take some coffee for refresh? :D

[AL14]

Btw, Breen could be participating with a WRC plus, no one would have noticed it.

[WRC17]

Btw, Breen could be participating with a WRC plus, no one would have noticed it.

whats wrc plaus ?

[dimviii]

Ogier on the ditch
https://youtu.be/dga1hCSBi-s

[dimviii]

WTF is with Evans. Can't believe that Dmacks are such a shit.
> 3s/km over each stage, really ?

yes its possible at these conditions.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

at previous version we could. what sick dogs are they.....

Text & splits - works fine for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/split%20text_zpsqesmtsiu.jpg

[dimviii]

Text & splits - works fine for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/split%20text_zpsqesmtsiu.jpg

at same page?