Rally Wrc Monte Carlo 2017

[EightGear]

Well Ogier isn't exactly going quick is he?

[USER47]

He has no need to. The conditions wouldnt allow him to go for good PS points, and he has a lot to lose by making a mistake.

[Hasselhoax]

Ogier not holding back on the snow. Good driving!

[N.O.T]

Nice win for ford.

Useless rally overall.

Off to Sweden now.

[mknight]

Epic finish.

That said Lefebvre gets 4 points for his "performance" in this rally. Ohh well.

[Miika]

Finntastic.

[macebig]

Yes!A win for Ford!Five freaking years.

[macebig]

Epic finish.

That said Lefebvre gets 4 points for his "performance" in this rally. Ohh well.

He will probably make to 9th so add 2.

[EightGear]

Epic finish.

That said Lefebvre gets 4 points for his "performance" in this rally. Ohh well.

Lol yes, 4 points for Lefebvre because of his road position.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2xjoCeXAAAoaym.jpg

[EightGear]

Tanak is still in trouble.

[Hasselhoax]

Nice win for ford.

Useless rally overall.

Off to Sweden now.
This rally was for me the epitome of a rally and mainly RMC.

I guess I can show you some tennis and villages here in Sweden so you can join the other tennis watching "village idiots" as you call them.

[MikeD]

Well done Ogier & M-Sport. Bravery and hard work paid of. Fully deserved. Now you have proven you have all the tools to win both championships. Keep up the hard work and win them both.

[BigWorm]

Should have been Neuville, but that's the way of this sport. One litte mistake could be big enough to ruin it.

Nevertheless, congratulations to Ogier and most of all M-Sport, they deserve going back to winning ways. Fingers crossed for Tänak making it back to service now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes.. Get in !!

Allez M-Sport !! :D

[AndyRAC]

Well done to M-Sport & Seb Ogier. 3rd Monte win for M-Sport, and 5th for Seb. The drive of a champion, with obviously a little luck.

[AndyRAC]

Intersting interview with the Ford boss......hmm I wonder??

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Should've been a 1-2 as Tanak deserved to get 2nd but for a car issue.

Great job by all M-Sport drivers and team.

Big congrats Malcolm, so happy for him.

[nafpaktos]

Global director ford performance just gave an interview to wrc plus and said in the future they will work closer with Malcolm.Hope this is a good omen for the future.

[Eli]

Hope to see them challenge for the title next year as the Ford World Rally Team.

[wwbroe]

They should have been in there before the season started

[Sulland]

Ogier does it for Malcolm Sport, congrats!

Tanak gets 3rd and two Fords on the podium, in a very difficult rally!

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen won WRC2, with both fingers in his nose:D

[Mirek]

Just returned from the mountains. Yes, I missed the whole rally (the local wi-fi was good for nothing else than checking result). 278 pages already.Wow, it looks like it was an epic event. Now it's time to read all those pages and watch all those videos. A tough work but I guess worth doing :)

By the way first two places in WRC2 go to the guys who likely won't do anything else in the championship.

[macebig]

Confirmed.Lefebvre is 9th.6 points in total.Ahead of Neuville...

[RS]

By the way first two places in WRC2 go to the guys who likely won't do anything else in the championship.

Really? Veiby in, Kopecky out?

[wwbroe]

Really? Veiby in, Kopecky out?

That is what i heard too

[Livewireshock]

It will be interesting to see how much worse the dust issues will be this year with all that aero, just looking at the snow kicked up behind the cars at the Monte

[RS]

That is what i heard too

Seems strange to dump their national driver when they no longer have to be a training school for future potential VW WRC drivers. Unless Even are paying a lot.

[itix]

You with wrc plus who aren't sitting on an airplane with crap WiFi, how much progress has Tänaks GPS dot made? Is he moving. Hope he makes it to the service park, he really deserve it!

Mega impressed that he managed to retain 3rd. That must have been one hell of a drive.

[rp]

That is what i heard too

Maybe Erik Veiby has purchased SKODA Motorsport :)

Then all his drivers would be there except Lappi...

[A FONDO]

Lefevre did a good job for me. The guy is still learning and tried to gain mileage in these extreme conditions when so many others got caught. Why you don't blame Meeke for his 2374632874th crash on exit of a corner? Or Neuville that leading with a minute yesterday he went off the road about 10 (ten) times before the final crash. Massive respect to the champ for that in every turn he was trying with the car he doesn't yet know well enough, unlike others who easily give up and wait for the next rally which suits them. My driver of the rally is Breen, pushing at 100% all the time without mistakes. Toyotas are still a lot behind the rest in terms of car behaviour, and next events there will be more competitors in '17 cars and not every time 10 people will retire.

[AndyRAC]

Seems strange to dump their national driver when they no longer have to be a training school for future potential VW WRC drivers. Unless Even are paying a lot.

That's pretty poor - Kopecky has been a loyal driver for them.

[bluuford]

WoW, Ott took back 32.4 seconds on Sordo and almost 40 seconds on Latvala.. during last split, that is only 4 minutes of driving! That was crazy!

And he was probably the onelyone in top 10 without single mistake

[N.O.T]

As far as the teams are concerned Hyundai seems to have the most solid package, Citoren was a mess, Ford had worrying problems as well.

I give the village team until summer, then the flop is certain, the car was very slow and all over the place. If they do not win a stage in sweden they should pack up and go.

It was good to see that Ogier was not dominant and was slower than Neuville constantly, also those 5 points was a good reward and the gap did not open too much in the championship.

TANAK 2017 CHAMPION !!!!

[stefanvv]

You with wrc plus who aren't sitting on an airplane with crap WiFi, how much progress has Tänaks GPS dot made? Is he moving. Hope he makes it to the service park, he really deserve it!

Mega impressed that he managed to retain 3rd. That must have been one hell of a drive.

The dot green baloon with number 2 is moving on the map

[EstWRC]

WoW, Ott took back 32.4 seconds on Sordo and almost 40 seconds on Latvala.. during last split, that is only 4 minutes of driving! That was crazy!

And he was probably the onelyone in top 10 without single mistake

OUR MAN! what a drive in the final section and this is how you finish a rally https://twitter.com/SmilexTech/status/823140838603624448

[MikeD]

Can anybody help me with some pictures of Bouffier's car from the Monte Carlo rally?

[stefanvv]

WoW, Ott took back 32.4 seconds on Sordo and almost 40 seconds on Latvala.. during last split, that is only 4 minutes of driving! That was crazy!

And he was probably the onelyone in top 10 without single mistake

Yeah, without that penalty he was still 2nd.

[tc10a]

Can anybody help me with some pictures of Bouffier's car from the Monte Carlo rally?

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/monte/2/18.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/monte/2/54.jpg

[Ucci]

Lefevre did a good job for me. The guy is still learning and tried to gain mileage in these extreme conditions when so many others got caught. Why you don't blame Meeke for his 2374632874th crash on exit of a corner? Or Neuville that leading with a minute yesterday he went off the road about 10 (ten) times before the final crash. Massive respect to the champ for that in every turn he was trying with the car he doesn't yet know well enough, unlike others who easily give up and wait for the next rally which suits them. My driver of the rally is Breen, pushing at 100% all the time without mistakes. Toyotas are still a lot behind the rest in terms of car behaviour, and next events there will be more competitors in '17 cars and not every time 10 people will retire.
90% agree......can't be exited over Lefebvre's pace, Breen according to my prediction, The "Master" Ogier showed his genious, now all those who were thinking that he was WC just because of Polo's top performance, are hidding like rats...
But, the season just started, everything still open....I expect huge attack from Meeke in Sweden.

[SubaruNorway]

Lefevre did a good job for me. The guy is still learning and tried to gain mileage in these extreme conditions when so many others got caught. Why you don't blame Meeke for his 2374632874th crash on exit of a corner? Or Neuville that leading with a minute yesterday he went off the road about 10 (ten) times before the final crash. Massive respect to the champ for that in every turn he was trying with the car he doesn't yet know well enough, unlike others who easily give up and wait for the next rally which suits them. My driver of the rally is Breen, pushing at 100% all the time without mistakes. Toyotas are still a lot behind the rest in terms of car behaviour, and next events there will be more competitors in '17 cars and not every time 10 people will retire.

Did you see Lefebvre's attempt at getting back on the road on ss2? That's not a good job, that's the most stupid thing I've ever seen knocking it into gear on the rev limiter :p Average time loss to Breen must be around 20 sec a stage, not counting rally2 time loss.
And where did Neuville have 10 offs this really? He has been the most clean as far i have seen.
Breen almost knocked wheels off a couple of times.

[itix]

90% agree......can't be exited over Lefebvre's pace, Breen according to my prediction, The "Master" Ogier showed his genious, now all those who were thinking that he was WC just because of Polo's top performance, are hidding like rats...
But, the season just started, everything still open....I expect huge attack from Meeke in Sweden.
I really hope Meeke comes to his senses in sweden. 3rd is not a bad place to be and he has to stop pushing in stupid places.

I mean, Ogier by comparison went off in a field yesterday and he knew exactly what was on the outside of the corner. He knew he could risk a push there.

Meeke on the contrary doesn't seem to have this in his notes or not think like this at all because almost all his crashes are when he push.

He seriously need to get his act together if he wants to challenge for the championship as he already started it properly on the back foot.

[mknight]

Lefevre did a good job for me. The guy is still learning and tried to gain mileage in these extreme conditions when so many others got caught.
Lefevre:
1. He slides out on one of the first corners of the rally
2. He ruins the car when trying to get out (check the vid, seems totally his fault tbh)
3. ok on friday driving safe in tricky conditions
4. On saturday he had issues in the morning, but in the afternoon he was consistently slower that Breen in 16 car on mostly dry stages.

Meek is Meek, the consistency is just not there. Same as Latvala. Don't see that suddenly changing towards the end of their careers.
Hanninen again as he always was. Check out his onboards on WRC+, he has 4-5 big moments every stage.

Evans sure did get some fast times, but lets not forget that he first managed to loose 8 mins by driving only, without getting stuck or technical issues. Sure most of it could have been due to tires, but by that logic most his top times could also be due to the tires working better in that conditions.

Breen is driver of the rally, no doubt.

Cars:
Ford and Hyundai seems closely matched
Toyota is slower (maybe not as much as people expected but there is a clear difference). The most surprising part for me is how unstable it looks in all fast sections even though it has most extensive rear aero. Not like the drivers are known for smooth driving though.
Citroen surprisingly slow, not a single good time. Especially, considering all the "video-hype" on this forum beforehand.

Finally imagine Matton taking the call from Citroen leadership after they read the morning news on Monday.
1-2 on a french rally are 2 guys that were free for hire a month ago and that he wasn't all that interested in.

[A FONDO]

Turbo2'Rallye42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78dFGd6NLec

[denkimi]

I mean, Ogier by comparison went off in a field yesterday and he knew exactly what was on the outside of the corner. He knew he could risk a push there.

no he didn't. drivers notes don't contain information about things that are not important to them, like scenery. he went off and was lucky that he hit nothing hard.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2xlrPJW8AErwqZ.jpg

[itix]

no he didn't. drivers notes don't contain information about things that are not important to them, like scenery. he went off and was lucky that he hit nothing hard.
According to himself at the stage end interview, he knew. It seems reasonable to me that he'd have that in his notes but I don't speak enough French to know.

Maybe he remember without notes... That or he is lying, but you have to admit he has an amazing ability to steer clear of obstacles even on the rare occasions he goes off...

[mknight]

Maybe he remember without notes... That or he is lying, but you have to admit he has an amazing ability to steer clear of obstacles even on the rare occasions he goes off...

These days drivers spend hours watching footage of the stages and their own footage from the recce. On top of that you have many stages that repeat year after year and Ogier comes from Gap.

Btw. Neuville had a "don't go wide" type of note on the place he went wide.

[itix]

These days drivers spend hours watching footage of the stages and their own footage from the recce. On top of that you have many stages that repeat year after year and Ogier comes from Gap.

Btw. Neuville had a "don't go wide" type of note on the place he went wide.
I'm sure he did... The car broke traction and he was massively unlucky to hit that concrete block. Took out what looked like a toe-arm joint and that was it.

[René]

According to himself at the stage end interview, he knew. It seems reasonable to me that he'd have that in his notes but I don't speak enough French to know.

Maybe he remember without notes... That or he is lying, but you have to admit he has an amazing ability to steer clear of obstacles even on the rare occasions he goes off...

Don't forget that, these places are like his garden, he know perfectly each meter of these road. Ogier could drive the same way without note here.

[itix]

Don't forget that, these places are like his garden, he know perfectly each meter of these road. Ogier could drive the same way without note here.
Yep! Very likely. Still, he does avoid obstacles almost every time he goes off so he definitely must be doing something differently.

I don't believe in luck!

[MikeD]

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/monte/2/18.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/monte/2/54.jpg

Thanks :)

[A FONDO]

Lefevre:
1. He slides out on one of the first corners of the rally
2. He ruins the car when trying to get out (check the vid, seems totally his fault tbh)
3. ok on friday driving safe in tricky conditions
4. On saturday he had issues in the morning, but in the afternoon he was consistently slower that Breen in 16 car on mostly dry stages.

I repeat he is a rookie. Solberg and others also burnt the clutch in their late years. This kind of gearbox is very difficult.

4. Must I enumerate all the people who were consistently slower than Breen this week?


Citroen surprisingly slow, not a single good time. Especially, considering all the "video-hype" on this forum beforehand.

The hype rose mainly after one endurance test of Meeke, he was obviously not putting effort but some people got caught by how stable it looked (without direct comparison).

[mknight]

4. Must I enumerate all the people who were consistently slower than Breen this week?


I can do it for you.. the number of people in 2017 cars consistently slower than Breen in stages 11-13 on dry tarmac is ..... 1 = Lefevre

[Puyan]

Yep! Very likely. Still, he does avoid obstacles almost every time he goes off so he definitely must be doing something differently.

I don't believe in luck!

Ogier said that when they took notes, they gave this corner an optimist speed knowing there was a field on the outside of the corner. But the information was not in the notes.

[denkimi]

According to himself at the stage end interview, he knew. It seems reasonable to me that he'd have that in his notes but I don't speak enough French to know.

Maybe he remember without notes... That or he is lying, but you have to admit he has an amazing ability to steer clear of obstacles even on the rare occasions he goes off...
i can believe he remembered it, but i don't believe it was in his notes since there was nothing special about that corner.

you only describe what the road's like , and what could hurt you on the edge of the road (gravel, don't cut, full cut, don't go wide, ...).
they don't add notes like "wide field on exit".



Btw. Neuville had a "don't go wide" type of note on the place he went wide.
that was a beautiful example of a corner that needed that note.

[SubaruNorway]

Tanak just made it back

[dimviii]

one photo a thousand words.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2x0IENXAAEQJqO.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2x08fsWEAAPSJx.jpg

[BigWorm]

Luckily there was snow in the last sector. Had it been dry Tänak would have been done for. After all the crap he at least deserved that bit of luck.

[Barreis]

[QUOTE=dimviii;1122976]one photo a thousand words.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2x0IENXAAEQJqO.jpg


'you must pay to get what you want'

[itix]

i can believe he remembered it, but i don't believe it was in his notes since there was nothing special about that corner.

you only describe what the road's like , and what could hurt you on the edge of the road (gravel, don't cut, full cut, don't go wide, ...).
they don't add notes like "wide field on exit".


that was a beautiful example of a corner that needed that note.
It wouldn't be impossible to have "free outside" or similar call in the notes... Makes sense to give the corner an optimistic grading also of course.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC Manufacturers points
1 MSportLtd 40
2 TGR_WRC 24
3 HMSGOfficial 20
4 CitroenRacing 10

What a great sight. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The final split of SS17 was 5.76kms from the end. @OttTanak took 32.4secs from @DaniSordo in this sector to retain 3rd place. https://t.co/CUJYAUgpPz

Just awesome. My driver of the rally.

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier Ingrassia for the win,a little bit luck,but luck is with capables we use to say.
Tanak,very good driving,at early stages faster from Ogier with same tyres/car/team.Very promising for the rest of season.Also no mistakes in a rally with pressure due to champ.Pitty that his fiesta had several problems.
Neuville excellent pace,nice smooth drive while pushing,but catch some hot moments at some videos.Moments that everybody had,but he wasn't lucky.Again big promises for the rest season.
Sordo is Sordo,when slippery is not up to do the job.
Latvala,surprised that he didn't had major moments as he has used us.Maybe that he is in a team without the shadow of Ogier make good to his psychology? He done the job,he returned the car in one piece and with valuable data to analyse.
Meeke...what to say? pitty that after his crash was in safe mode,must be the 3rd? rally with driving error?
Lefebvre I cant see the reason he is in works seat.Try to remember something he had done to worth the seat,but cant.
Breen nice drive,he did all the rally without mistakes,but at some videos we saw some overdriving that he could avoid.
Evans excellent drive when circumstances allowed his tyres to perform.Didnt wait to win stages in straight fight with other fiestas,but we don't know yet if he had a tyre advantage.We keep it for future analysis.
Ogier did a great rally,he was always in touch with leader,and finally with a bit of luck he managed to take the win.For sure he deserves it with extra pressure of new team and not so much preparation for Monte.

About the cars now.
Hyundai seems that they are top, also the most reliable as I don't remember any problem at any car.
Fiesta not reliable,plenty of problems,and imho not as fast as hyundais right now.Ogiers driving wasn't as smooth as we have used,after so many videos I watched.
Toyota wasn't as fast as the others,when stages were drier,they were away from the stage winers,and there is where you will see the dynamic of a capable car.They were generaly reliable,except some small problems he had Latvala.Also powerfull enough as they were at same speed at long straights from videos with Hyundais and Fiestas.
c3 was a bit of mystery.Was fast enough at early stages at Meekes hands,but after his retirement we didn't saw some potential.Imho this has to be due to Meekes determination after the retire.Lefebvres stage win doesn't count for me as he was the only one with proper tyres for this only stage.Reliability problems too.
I keep all these in mind and see how they will evolute at next rallies.
Roll on Sweden,i cant wait!

[A FONDO]

TzRallye0412 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Wubjv419s plenty of moments to see

pay attention to the old man with red jacket at 2:50, what natural childish happiness he feels

[steve.mandzij]

Missed the powerstage because my phone didn't ring :( Anyways, unpopular opinion, but Latvala was my driver of the rally. In a slower car, with little testing time, he managed to control himself and his pace and got himself to second place without making mistakes. Truly a showcase of at least a desire for more consistency this year. Tanak a close second for me.

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[dimviii]

'you must pay to get what you want'

taking the chance from Barreis,as you see if M sport will to pay, he has the chances to win rallies/championships
of course even without the Ford backing,M sport is capable to produce a fast car,as they did it for years.
So no more excuses please, they are ''private team'' they don't have the resources etc
Its his choice if he wants to win and sell,or only sell.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2x9O0aWEAAIZ_O.jpg

[Oliverk]

Little comment from Tänak. He was running out of fuel in the way back to Monaco,sick car was useing more than intended. He switched the engine off driving down the mountains and had fumes when he reached pit area. Drama till the last meter.

[A FONDO]

SS3 full https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbQZz1pqgQ from THAT corner

[dimviii]

nice one.

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1072-0-48106200-1485096914.jpg

[Barreis]

some people has something that is called luck or whatever it's called and Makinen is one of them. JML wouldn't do better in polo :D

[dimviii]

and the best corners at whole Monte
https://youtu.be/Kh5b5t1QbKw

[bluuford]

About the cars now.
Hyundai seems that they are top, also the most reliable as I don't remember any problem at any car.
Fiesta not reliable,plenty of problems,and imho not as fast as hyundais right now.Ogiers driving wasn't as smooth as we have used,after so many videos I watched.
Sordo had broken powersteering before going off on SS13. And for Ford, seems that all the problems were with car nr 2 and looks like some mysterious electrical problems-related.

[steve.mandzij]

some people has something that is called luck or whatever it's called and Makinen is one of them. JML wouldn't do better in polo :D
And that's exactly why he's my driver of the rally. He got a Polo result in the Yaris.

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[jbmarcus21]

Flat out in Monte Carlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh5b5t1QbKw&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

Sordo had broken powersteering before going off on SS13. And for Ford, seems that all the problems were with car nr 2 and looks like some mysterious electrical problems-related.

yeap I had forgot Sordos problem.

[Barreis]

first onboard open for 'public' - Neuville, again stupid placed camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IWan2cETws

[SubaruNorway]

Sordo had broken powersteering before going off on SS13. And for Ford, seems that all the problems were with car nr 2 and looks like some mysterious electrical problems-related.

Neuville also had some electrical glitch with no boost when restarting after staling in Hänninen's hairpin

[danon]

Toyota Yaris WRC Chase Camera vol2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgsuWUPv5E

[SubaruNorway]

The Redbull day 2 coverage didn't have any WRC2 just to give you a heads up, it's a bit annoying now that you have to watch both to get all the little bits that are different

[dimviii]

Neuville also had some electrical glitch with no boost when restarting after staling in Hänninen's hairpin

he just forget to reset

[Barreis]

Toyota Yaris WRC Chase Camera vol2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgsuWUPv5E

i like the sound of springs :D

[Andre Oliveira]

DRAMA with Tänak, out of fuel before parc fermé. Luckly can get it in. What a rally....

[Frostmourne]

anyone with a link for Tanak at power stage, it seems he outstanding performance at the end of that stage...according to the comments

[Rally Power]

Despite 1st day tragic incident (and permanent troubles with spectators all along the event), the rally was quite interesting, with proper MC winter drama.

Neuville did a remarkable job, putting Ogier into pressure and being mega fast on 1st and 2nd day tricky stages, but sadly wasn’t able to control the advantage, loosing concentration on the worst possible moment. Tanak heroic effort to keep a podium place was epic, and he proved he can be much more than just Ogier’s team mate. Breen did also a remarkable rally, showing he’s the one that should be driving the C3, alongside Meeke.

Congrats to Ogier, Ingrassia and, obviously, to Mr. Wilson and all MSport staff. Great job from Makinen and Toyota’s guys; the Yaris showed a nice pace and even if it seems to be the slowest, for sure it isn’t that far from the faster cars. Hope Matton is already making a proper reflection on Citroen’s disastrous rally; we need them fighting for victories, not just for PS points. Outstanding win for Mikkelsen in WRC2; it’d be great to see him on a ‘17 Polo!

Final thought: MC is a unique and iconic event, there’s no way WRC can go on without it, but, once for all, the FIA, the organizers and local authorities must control spectator’s behaviour. It’s not easy because it involves a mentally change, but it can be done if a proper plan is set up, like it was done in Portugal.

[AndyRAC]

Final thought: MC is a unique and iconic event, there’s no way WRC can go on without it, but, once for all, the FIA, the organizers and local authorities must control spectator’s behaviour. It’s not easy because it involves a mentally change, but it can be done if a proper plan is set up, like it was done in Portugal.

As it is a unique event - why not do something different instead of the 'generic WRC' event? And, why not run it like the IRC event midweek?

[Simmi]

Not sure how much has been said about the stage cancellation this morning. But I honestly think the itinerary is as much to blame as the spectators.

Immediately after the last car went through on the first run the course opening vehicles were coming through for run two. I'd literally walked back down the stage for 5mins before Michelle Mouton's car came through, followed moments later by 000. People were everywhere and plenty more trying to get in. Tiny stage too with very few places for spectators - certainly in the opening kilometres where the organiser spectator zones were.

So I'd say that stage was a victim of the WRC's mentality where it all has to be finished by lunch on Sunday. If they'd had an extra hour maybe they could have maybe got it under control. But in such a short time there's no way they could guarantee it was safe.

[car]

Anyone else think the seat belts in the Yaris look much thinner than in all the other cars?

Wouldn't this mean there was more pressure (and therefore more pain) in an accident..

Might be me, but I just thought they looked odd. (And the colour doesn't match too!)

[stefanvv]

Flat out in Monte Carlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh5b5t1QbKw&feature=youtu.be

Yaris has clearly used kind of shorter gears, quite easy reach the limiter on 6th. Hyundai also reach it at some point, that might be also because of higher speed than Fiesta.

[Morte66]

Since everybody else posts their thoughts...

I feel sorry for Paddon/Kennard, they did not deserve to hit somebody.I look forward to hearing RMC's plans to improve the situation next year. There will be plans, hmm?

I enjoyed seeing a few RGTs go round, even if they were irrelevant. Judging by the number of youtube videos that featured them with mainly WRC1 content, so do other people.

Neuville... He should have maybe been more careful with the lead that he had, but he was unlucky too.

Neuville vs Tanak vs Ogier was pretty close once you adjust for the offs and mechanical issues. This looks very promising for the year ahead.

Why is there no service between Saturday and Sunday? People do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to not watch their favorite driver. What part of "spectator sport" do the FIA not understand? Every effort should be made to keep all cars on the road to the end. And why are they increasing the power stage points to make the last day more important, then excluding cars from the last day?

The rally should end at the end of the power stage, not at control after that. I know a century ago rallying was about long drives on public roads with occasional special stages, and there is a lot of enthusiast rallying like that now, but come on this is the WRC. Again, people do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to have the result decided on a public road away from the spectators/coverage. If Tanak had not reached control today, the FIA would be looking like idiots.

It's good to see that Toyota's car is OK-ish. Maybe not up with Hyundai/M-Sport, but they're not going to be like Ostberg was last year. On the other hand, I hate that bird chirping noise it makes even more than I hated the insectile chittering of the VWs we just got rid of.

Citroen... eh.

Kris, oh Kris.

Feeling good about the year to come. :)

Come on Kris, you can win the championship.

[dimviii]

Turini
https://youtu.be/V9R59r8I7ZY

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yMi11XEAEv92A.jpg

[Barreis]

very nice to see that Malcolm always celebrates with his wife and that's the same for years :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone find a better quality version of this ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2x6Vv2WEAA5r_U.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

picture or a video?

[Andre Oliveira]

From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOXyeoUxuo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yhkpKXEAkZr2j?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yhkpJWIAIIGEq?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yhkpNXcAAAEIH?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

this is just so great to watch

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16265390_747406772089134_9160672099627087095_n.jpg ?oh=ca3ad8de6494e8f095a3af8193b76a1e&oe=590137F3
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114723_747406498755828_643716249222425798_n.jpg? oh=106f0c0b1734c61eb71344902a68c4f8&oe=5900EA82





more https://www.facebook.com/pg/julienpixelrallye/photos/?tab=album&album_id=743808542448957

[dimviii]

lol
https://twitter.com/Rogelio_Penate

[EstWRC]

lol


all smiles at m-sport camp

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16179055_1236933439719889_314675595446648578_o.jpg ?oh=41f9a77e44b3599802a5bc7362167f18&oe=590AB85F


more here https://www.facebook.com/pg/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1233346823411884

[Andre Oliveira]

lol
https://twitter.com/Rogelio_Penate

Poor Rogelio

[EstWRC]

https://media.giphy.com/media/13tRwuTB2gkuUo/giphy.gif

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114402_1236919329721300_6156120295662244304_n.jp g?oh=d352948c6133eb13844562f09124489c&oe=59142368

[MartinH3000]

Why is there no service between Saturday and Sunday? People do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to not watch their favorite driver. What part of "spectator sport" do the FIA not understand? Every effort should be made to keep all cars on the road to the end. And why are they increasing the power stage points to make the last day more important, then excluding cars from the last day?


I taught there was a service after SS13. Or am I imagining things?

[tolx]

Isn' t that RMC specific? Just like they disabled rally2 for sunday.
I remember that on other rallies there are always service on the end of day and rally2 on all days.

[Mirek]

Final thought: MC is a unique and iconic event, there’s no way WRC can go on without it, but, once for all, the FIA, the organizers and local authorities must control spectator’s behaviour.

2009-2011 four years of WRC without Monte Carlo and the world didn't crash. Yes, it is an iconic event but the truth is that both WRC and the Monte Carlo rally can live without each other just like they did in the past. Both together is of course the better option.

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1006-0-50155200-1485105856.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1006-0-05894800-1485105562.jpg
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the fastest 2wd
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-770-0-99234000-1485095527.jpg
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http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-770-0-80035500-1485034559.jpg

[Mirek]

Why is there no service between Saturday and Sunday? People do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to not watch their favorite driver. What part of "spectator sport" do the FIA not understand? Every effort should be made to keep all cars on the road to the end. And why are they increasing the power stage points to make the last day more important, then excluding cars from the last day?

There was service. What wasn't is superally. Monte Carlo organizers have been always pushing against superally as such rule goes directly against the old spirit of rallying where the first and foremost important thing is to reach the finish (that moment when to retire mens to actually retire). I do agree with them and I enjoyed those several years with no superally at all. I traveled thousands of kilometers, stood there outside in cold but I have never thought that having a superally would make the rally better. Even though once we saw only 28 cars passing Turini on Midnight. Maybe the absence of superally added the special value to the moment - it made passing this legendary place something special. In the end it gave a moment of fame to otherwise invisible crews who normally can't do a shit against ever and ever restarting WRC cars.


The rally should end at the end of the power stage, not at control after that. I know a century ago rallying was about long drives on public roads with occasional special stages, and there is a lot of enthusiast rallying like that now, but come on this is the WRC. Again, people do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to have the result decided on a public road away from the spectators/coverage. If Tanak had not reached control today, the FIA would be looking like idiots.

Rally ends at the finish ramp just like it has done for more than one hundred years and there's nothing wrong about that.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yrZQfXgAAXLMo.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yrZRmWgAEkDm-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yrZRgXcBo_olt.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2youSvWIAAwT57.jpg

[stefanvv]

https://media.giphy.com/media/13tRwuTB2gkuUo/giphy.gif

That's what they call it "finish in style".

[danon]

Great to see Toyota winning again.
First event - first podium.
Great Latvala! - https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC/videos/309212752814250/

http://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/contents/en/assets/images/release/2017/wrc/0123-01/wrc_0123_01.jpg

http://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/contents/en/assets/images/release/2017/wrc/wrc_2017_partners2.png

http://www.wrc.com/images//News/2017/January/10515_Monte-Toyota-Latvala-2017_21_1920x1080.jpg?1485002206

[stefanvv]

There was service. What wasn't is superally. Monte Carlo organizers have been always pushing against superally as such rule goes directly against the old spirit of rallying where the first and foremost important thing is to reach the finish (that moment when to retire mens to actually retire). I do agree with them and I enjoyed those several years with no superally at all. I traveled thousands of kilometers, stood there outside in cold but I have never thought that having a superally would make the rally better. Even though once we saw only 28 cars passing Turini on Midnight. Maybe the absence of superally added the special value to the moment - it made passing this legendary place something special. In the end it gave a moment of fame to otherwise invisible crews who normally can't do a shit against ever and ever restarting WRC cars.

I don't think Rally2 added some value at this year's event, Meeke continued only to hit more troubles, Hanninen was just cruising last 2 days.

[Andre Oliveira]

I am totally against Rally2, SuperRally or something... Rally is speed, endurance and gestion.

[EstWRC]

That's what they call it "finish in style".

i think he was preparing for Sweden already

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 2m2 minutes ago
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Ott's a happy chappy, Seb's shagged, Ken's in shock, Malky's having fun with Reiner and Anna is just Anna! The fabulous @MSportLtd family


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2y2OHWXcAETjLH.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/37/29/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2017_126_372954_58847c230.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/37/29/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2017_121_372934_58847c219.jpg
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https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/37/26/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2017_081_372601_5881cce97.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

What a happy man :)

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16196032_1604984872864267_4386645659208629514_n.jp g?oh=b015ffc294c31b8afe8a43a5e41bf0f5&oe=591E0585

Keep calm Mr Wilson, many botles to drink this year....

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15941180_1604985009530920_7051406215578736637_n.jp g?oh=eb960a1ac90e4bab67bceb42d52003dc&oe=591F3453

[dimviii]

What a happy man :)


7 post earlier at same page are the same photos.

[Allyc85]

Well it was a shame for us that stage 16 was cancelled. The marshalling was crazy with loads of whistling and no clear instructions, while a quick turn around between runs meant people changing position was always going to cause trouble. All the police seem to is stand around doing sweet FA or they go mental at people. Then some of the spectator points have been a joke, literally barely 6 feet wide. Rally Gbs pens are a luxury in comparison!!

Breen..

https://twitter.com/AlastairCummins/status/823177780376535044

And Evans on stage 14.

https://twitter.com/AlastairCummins/status/823173225551040514

[Walach]

Anyone else think the seat belts in the Yaris look much thinner than in all the other cars?

Wouldn't this mean there was more pressure (and therefore more pain) in an accident..

Might be me, but I just thought they looked odd. (And the colour doesn't match too!)

For me as a fan of JDM scene, green TAKATA seatbelts in Yaris WRC are perfect match. ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

7 post earlier at same page are the same photos.

damm it :) refresh time tricky me.

[steve.mandzij]

Since everybody else posts their thoughts...

I feel sorry for Paddon/Kennard, they did not deserve to hit somebody.I look forward to hearing RMC's plans to improve the situation next year. There will be plans, hmm?

I enjoyed seeing a few RGTs go round, even if they were irrelevant. Judging by the number of youtube videos that featured them with mainly WRC1 content, so do other people.

Neuville... He should have maybe been more careful with the lead that he had, but he was unlucky too.

Neuville vs Tanak vs Ogier was pretty close once you adjust for the offs and mechanical issues. This looks very promising for the year ahead.

Why is there no service between Saturday and Sunday? People do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to not watch their favorite driver. What part of "spectator sport" do the FIA not understand? Every effort should be made to keep all cars on the road to the end. And why are they increasing the power stage points to make the last day more important, then excluding cars from the last day?

The rally should end at the end of the power stage, not at control after that. I know a century ago rallying was about long drives on public roads with occasional special stages, and there is a lot of enthusiast rallying like that now, but come on this is the WRC. Again, people do not travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of Euros to have the result decided on a public road away from the spectators/coverage. If Tanak had not reached control today, the FIA would be looking like idiots.

It's good to see that Toyota's car is OK-ish. Maybe not up with Hyundai/M-Sport, but they're not going to be like Ostberg was last year. On the other hand, I hate that bird chirping noise it makes even more than I hated the insectile chittering of the VWs we just got rid of.

Citroen... eh.

Kris, oh Kris.

Feeling good about the year to come. :)

Come on Kris, you can win the championship.
You're suggesting changing integral parts of rallying.

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[dimviii]

damm it :) refresh time tricky me.

yes refresh doesn't work properly always,i ve experienced it me too.

[focus206]

congrats to Ogier Ingrassia for the win,a little bit luck,but luck is with capables we use to say.
Tanak,very good driving,at early stages faster from Ogier with same tyres/car/team.Very promising for the rest of season.Also no mistakes in a rally with pressure due to champ.Pitty that his fiesta had several problems.
Neuville excellent pace,nice smooth drive while pushing,but catch some hot moments at some videos.Moments that everybody had,but he wasn't lucky.Again big promises for the rest season.
Sordo is Sordo,when slippery is not up to do the job.
Latvala,surprised that he didn't had major moments as he has used us.Maybe that he is in a team without the shadow of Ogier make good to his psychology? He done the job,he returned the car in one piece and with valuable data to analyse.
Meeke...what to say? pitty that after his crash was in safe mode,must be the 3rd? rally with driving error?
Lefebvre I cant see the reason he is in works seat.Try to remember something he had done to worth the seat,but cant.
Breen nice drive,he did all the rally without mistakes,but at some videos we saw some overdriving that he could avoid.
Evans excellent drive when circumstances allowed his tyres to perform.Didnt wait to win stages in straight fight with other fiestas,but we don't know yet if he had a tyre advantage.We keep it for future analysis.
Ogier did a great rally,he was always in touch with leader,and finally with a bit of luck he managed to take the win.For sure he deserves it with extra pressure of new team and not so much preparation for Monte.

About the cars now.
Hyundai seems that they are top, also the most reliable as I don't remember any problem at any car.
Fiesta not reliable,plenty of problems,and imho not as fast as hyundais right now.Ogiers driving wasn't as smooth as we have used,after so many videos I watched.
Toyota wasn't as fast as the others,when stages were drier,they were away from the stage winers,and there is where you will see the dynamic of a capable car.They were generaly reliable,except some small problems he had Latvala.Also powerfull enough as they were at same speed at long straights from videos with Hyundais and Fiestas.
c3 was a bit of mystery.Was fast enough at early stages at Meekes hands,but after his retirement we didn't saw some potential.Imho this has to be due to Meekes determination after the retire.Lefebvres stage win doesn't count for me as he was the only one with proper tyres for this only stage.Reliability problems too.
I keep all these in mind and see how they will evolute at next rallies.
Roll on Sweden,i cant wait!

I wanted to write my thoughts on the rally, but it would be a copy of this, spot on Dim!
Only thing I add, really great job by Breen in my opinion, can't wait to see his next performances in the C3.

[AL14]

Hello dear forum members. Here a couple of thougts on my second rallye montecarlo as spectator.
You all have already given some nice and authoritative analysis about drivers performances and results. I don't want to add more on that. I Will rather share with you the positives and negatives I noticed yesterday and today (unfortunately I could not get in there since thursday as planned).

POSITIVES
1) Montecarlo is a unique event. I don't know what else will make me get up in the night at 4:30 in a freezing cold area.
When you enter the stage you always feel the emotion to walk in the history. you smell the glory of the event in the thin and cold air of french mountains. Just this feeling makes it worth being there.

2) The new cars are spectacular. the acceleration is insane, they are very nice to watch ( except the Yaris :) ) and I am very happy that all our fears to see boring drives have not become true.

3) M-Sport winning is a positive, after so many time... they fucking deserves it. Seeing the happy guys of m-sport celebrating with Wilson in the parc ferme in Monaco was nice.


NEGATIVES

1) Organization in monte needs a radical change.
Safety is very bad managed for the reasons we all know and saw. Also some directives were confusing: in some very safe places there were stupid prohibitions and 10 metres later loads of people were at the exit of a corner in a stupidly allowed spot!

2) Communications like the prohibitions to enter some famous parts of some stages should be released before making hundreds if not thousands of people drive and walk for kms !! This is not a village rally...
Also when the spectator died they were ridiculous ignoring the issue in TV and stating that he had passes out...

3) What a shame for Neuville. I was spectating that stage he was very clean at my point. I'm gutted for him. And also for Tanak who should have deserved the second place but at least he got the podium.
But the driver I really feel sorry for is Hayden Paddon, I hope he will overcome this situation.

4) I was at parc ferme in Monaco. I Met and say hi to a lot of people like Wilson, Hirvonen, Naigle, Makinen. But I didn't really meet one of the main reason I went there: Jari-Matti girlfriend. that has been the real shame :D

[spark13]

For me as a fan of JDM scene, green TAKATA seatbelts in Yaris WRC are perfect match. ;)
Haha good to hear iam not the only one ☺

[nafpaktos]

NEGATIVES

1) Organization in monte needs a radical change.
Safety is very bad managed for the reasons we all know and saw. Also some directives were confusing: in some very safe places there were stupid prohibitions and 10 metres later loads of people were at the exit of a corner in a stupidly allowed spot!

2) Communications like the prohibitions to enter some famous parts of some stages should be released before making hundreds if not thousands of people drive and walk for kms !! This is not a village rally...


I totally agree,that's what i also noticed last year.

[EstWRC]

i also agree with dimviii's long post...ill also add that great debut for Järveoja, stage win already on his second stage with WRC machine and podium in the end.

too early to say about car performances but IMO Citroen is way overhyped.

[smsgrafica]

http://m.cdn.blog.hu/ra/rallyedream/image/p-20170120-02983_news.jpg
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[janvanvurpa]

Well, we know that he pretty much did the road section going between 70 and 120.

Which is a nice comfortable speed for those roads.. Even in a rental Fiat.

[stefanvv]

too early to say about car performances but IMO Citroen is way overhyped.

I think I agree with that. We never saw some dominating times from Meeke, and yet he managed to crash.

[steve.mandzij]

i also agree with dimviii's long post...ill also add that great debut for Järveoja, stage win already on his second stage with WRC machine and podium in the end.

too early to say about car performances but IMO Citroen is way overhyped.
Finland will be a true test for co-drivers this year as they try to keep up with the speeds the drivers will take.

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[dimviii]

watch Ogier at 4,14
https://youtu.be/K2VUHXRuAD4

[macebig]

I think that if Citroen doesn't improve til Portugal, Matton should be better start looking for a different job...

[dimviii]

Evans 207km/h
Latvala 202km/h on limiter
Ogier 209km/h
https://youtu.be/49oJvl_ZEew

[AdvEvo]

Max speed rally cars was always 190km is it changed?

[dimviii]

JM video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGf0CPmG3kA

[dimviii]

Max speed rally cars was always 190km is it changed?

there is no fixed max speed.

[danon]

Evans 207km/h
Latvala 202km/h on limiter
Ogier 209km/h
https://youtu.be/49oJvl_ZEew

that says a lot...

[dimviii]

that says a lot...

like?

[danon]

like?

2 is more than 1

[SubaruNorway]

Evans 207km/h
Latvala 202km/h on limiter
Ogier 209km/h
https://youtu.be/49oJvl_ZEew

197 on Ogier and 187 on Latvala on WRC+ it's after 8:20 in the stage

[lnvs]

Evans 207km/h
Latvala 202km/h on limiter
Ogier 209km/h
https://youtu.be/49oJvl_ZEew
Are those speeds supposed to be from a speed gun? If you watch onboards from wrc+ in that place all speeds are 10km/h less. No one goes over 200km/h there :confused:

[dimviii]

I don't know guys, but probably they are from a speed gun.
the absolute number hasn't got any meaning,the difference between them counts,to see if somebody has weaker engine.
Both measurements shows yaris a lot slower,but again we cant be sure,because we don't know the exit speed from previous corner.

[dimviii]

197 on Ogier and 187 on Latvala on WRC+ it's after 8:20 in the stage

do you remember top speeds of hyundais and c3?

[chris_bakelas]

watch Ogier at 4,14
https://youtu.be/K2VUHXRuAD4
Who knows in which stage is that spot(Ogier 4.14)?

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[dupanton]

Pickem results online!

[Rally Power]

2009-2011 four years of WRC without Monte Carlo and the world didn't crash. Yes, it is an iconic event but the truth is that both WRC and the Monte Carlo rally can live without each other just like they did in the past. Both together is of course the better option.

I believe you mean three years, not four…

Also you must remember that ’09 and ’10 are among WRC less competitive seasons, with only 2 teams and Loeb’s total domination, while IRC was getting rally world spotlights. Tacking MC rally out of WRC calendar was one of IRC brightest moves and hugely helped to strength their series. Fortunately, after Todt get elected as FIA president one of his priorities was to put back MC into WRC.

[SubaruNorway]

do you remember top speeds of hyundais and c3?

197 on Neuville, no correct speed on C3 when i checked.

Strange how ss16 got cancelled, when it ran as ss14 it must have been the stage with the least spectators and i only saw a couple of marshalls in bad spots, but i guess the ones that didn't get into Col De Turin came there.

[Rally Power]

Feeling good about the year to come. :)


Amen!

[dimviii]

197 on Neuville, no correct speed on C3 when i checked.
.

thanks SubaruNorway

[tolx]

Haha good to hear iam not the only one ☺

Bride seats should be there also...

[denkimi]

the absolute number hasn't got any meaning,the difference between them counts,to see if somebody has weaker engine.
it only shows differences in gearbox ratios. you can tell nothing about the engine based on top speed.

[Mirek]

I believe you mean three years, not four…

Also you must remember that ’09 and ’10 are among WRC less competitive seasons, with only 2 teams and Loeb’s total domination, while IRC was getting rally world spotlights. Tacking MC rally out of WRC calendar was one of IRC brightest moves and hugely helped to strength their series. Fortunately, after Todt get elected as FIA president one of his priorities was to put back MC into WRC.

Yes, three, sorry :) I would say that Monte was out of WRC in the time when WRC was in very bad shape and therefore needed Monte Carlo more than now. Anyway I justed wanted to say that it was a bit of overstatement to say that WRC without Monte is impossible.

[Mirek]

it only shows differences in gearbox ratios. you can tell nothing about the engine based on top speed.

Actually you can. Normally You don't run longer gearbox with weaker engine (unless it's completely different design, i.e. has completely different characteristics). See R5, S2000 or even gr.N where cars with stronger engines have also higher top speed.

In case of 2017 I would say that the main unknown factor is drag force from the aero package.

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.org/jtwdbjoxz/image.jpg

[Mirek]

Evans 207km/h
Latvala 202km/h on limiter
Ogier 209km/h
https://youtu.be/49oJvl_ZEew


197 on Ogier and 187 on Latvala on WRC+ it's after 8:20 in the stage


Are those speeds supposed to be from a speed gun? If you watch onboards from wrc+ in that place all speeds are 10km/h less. No one goes over 200km/h there :confused:

It would be interesting to know where the difference come from. The speed gun may be badly calibrated for sure but who knows how good data WRC+ has? Eurosport used to show simple GPS data in IRC and those were not very accurate (the value was shown with a certain delay and not 100% smooth).

For me it's very hard to believe that 2017 WRC cars would have smaller top speed than 2016 cars and even than some R5 cars (Fabia has a real top speed roughly 195 km/h).

[tolx]

Road condition and configuration also may take some effect.
About WRC without monte... yes, there could be one, but not without some alternative series/rally. There is always a place for such challange.

[Andre Oliveira]

Great job by Brian Bouffier, being first private WRC2 crew with less km in Fiesta R5 than the others...

[AndyRAC]

Great job by Brian Bouffier, being first private WRC2 crew with less km in Fiesta R5 than the others...

Not really a surprise. He is a former winner of the event...and was 2nd in 2014.

[AL14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFpwUZw970s video taken from my friends who were with me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_wJo1-hAyI Ogier's and Evans problems from our point of view.

[dimviii]

it only shows differences in gearbox ratios. you can tell nothing about the engine based on top speed.

nobody with powerfull engine uses a short gearbox vs other competitors.Specially when there are stages where he go to limiter for plenty of time.

[denkimi]

Actually you can. Normally You don't run longer gearbox with weaker engine (unless it's completely different design, i.e. has completely different characteristics). See R5, S2000 or even gr.N where cars with stronger engines have also higher top speed.

In case of 2017 I would say that the main unknown factor is drag force from the aero package.
you run gearbox ratios based on the event, not based on the engine power. that's why they use different gearboxes throughout the season.

there's no point in having a gearbox that makes your car go 220km/h, if you know you will never exceed 190 on the event. and vice versa, if you know you will be at very high speeds often, there's no point in being on the limiter all the time.

and as you said, without knowing the drag coefficient there's absolutely no way you can determine the difference in engine power based on top speed.

only partially related, but still interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yktl2-lVm_s
he has more speed gun measurements on his youtube channel.

[lnvs]

Who knows in which stage is that spot(Ogier 4.14)?
SS9/11 in this case SS11 2mins after the start.

A bit strange i20 2017 onboards never have that more accurate speedo+gear+rpm. There is only speed which has gps style behaviour.

[Mirek]

you run gearbox ratios based on the event, not based on the engine power. that's why they use different gearboxes throughout the season.

That's irrelevant point because we speak about the same event. And it's also wrong. Both the event the engine characteristics are very important for setting the right gear ratios. Think about why all S2000/R5 cars use a lot shorter gear ratios than Škoda (using an example where the reality is all well documented) on the very same events.


there's no point in having a gearbox that makes your car go 220km/h, if you know you will never exceed 190 on the event. and vice versa, if you know you will be at very high speeds often, there's no point in being on the limiter all the time.

Sorry but that's again irrelevant here because we speak about the same event.


and as you said, without knowing the drag coefficient there's absolutely no way you can determine the difference in engine power based on top speed.

That's the only important contributor we don't know here. At least we can see what they can reach on the same event, i.e. who can benefit from long straights.

[J_n_z]

Short gearbox also means bigger overlapping of gears. So correct selection of gear is not so important, because two of them can both do good job in certain speed range. Theoretically (I have never driven such beast of a car) it can be handy in saving moments and linking corner combinations, both very likely in monte.

Remember 6 speed Xsara vs 4 speed 307... roughly same power, same top speed, but 50% more gears to ease drivers job... Here we are talking about same thing compromised by lower top speed... We can't tell much about engine power from this.

P.S.: we are off topic...

[dimviii]

nice video
https://youtu.be/zDKioaCOIug

[GravelBen]

[drag coefficient]
That's the only important contributor we don't know here. At least we can see what they can reach on the same event, i.e. who can benefit from long straights.

Not the only contributor - we also don't know how close to optimum gear ratios (for the engine and event) were achieved by the engineers from each team do we?

It could be that Toyota (as a new team with less data to work from) just underestimated the peak speeds that would be reached on those stages, and geared the car slightly too short as a result.

[Munkvy]

I feel sorry for Juho, relatively small mistake taking him out, looking at stage times he was actually pretty on par with JML and Meeke, which is an encouraging sign, given everyone seems to agree that the Toymota is a bit weak.

Once again poor Ott has been robbed however! I wonder what he has done to deserve such rotten luck.

[seb_sh]

After a bit of pondering I though I'd share my impressions. First it's quite sad about that spectator I hope Paddon and Kennard get over it, it wasn't their fault and it shows RMC organisers need to improve. It can be done - look at Portugal in the 80s-90s and now.

The rally was a classic Monte, I think the conditions were juuust right with the mix of dry tarmac and snow, with many many stages where all drivers said conditions are tricky. Add to that dramas everyday including a change of leader who had a big gap and many stage winners. Also the new cars are great, it makes me want to break my duck and finally attend a WRC round this year.

Because of the nature of the event it's hard to say too much about the cars but it's clear the Hyundai is a good package and the Ford is probably close but less refined at the moment. The mechanical problem's on Ott's car and Ogier's struggle in the first half of the event show that there's work to do. Citroen is still a bit of an unknown. Toyota was closer than i expected, but they'll probably be a bit farther back on "normal" rallies, however they were pretty reliable so they're not looking to bad.

I think 5 drivers deserve praise:
Ogier for jumping into a new car and new team and doing the job to the end.
Tanak was always around the podium ready to profit from any mistake and had a good rhythm where he didn't risk much.
Breen for a solid run, even considering his spins, he spun "safely" and didn't damage his car; I look forward to seeing more of him.
Mikkelsen for doing the job and showing what we all know - I won't say it again ;)
Latvala for finally doing a clean rally - podium deserved.

On the flipside:
Paddon - crashing on the first stage is never good
Sordo - continuous lack of confidence, if he goes on like this he could consider retireing
Neuville - impressive speed and confidence but the mistake came when he wasn't pressured
Meeke - seemed out of it and had a silly crash then bad luck
Lefebvre - even if he had orders to finish he was too slow

So Hyundai had the best car and worst drivers, Citroen put their best driver in the wrong car, Ford needs to refine their car but Ogier and Ott look like they can bring the title with some backup from Evans and Toyota not looking bad at all. Even if they are a bit slower than here, they are not that far off and will probably mix in the midfield (5th to 10th place area).


It also looks good for the rest of the season. There are many possible rally winners in the field now and we're going to go into the next 3 rallies not knowing who will win. Over the season Ogier's consistency may pay off but Hyundai has a strong package if the drivers get it together.

[EstWRC]

nice video
https://youtu.be/zDKioaCOIug


holy man! this first flat out corner from Ogier and later in the video 2.10 from Tänak! impressive, cant wait to get to finland already!

[Franky]

holy man! this first flat out corner from Ogier and later in the video 2.10 from Tänak! impressive, cant wait to get to finland already!

You'll have to go to Poland as well.

[EstWRC]

wanted badly but cant unfortunately....finland and spain this year for me.

[tolx]

Poland is close enough to do last minute decisions.

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-N4CMChLE video quality is terrible but places are great and some of the passes too.

[AL14]

wanted badly but cant unfortunately....finland and spain this year for me.

Well that's not what I would call a disappointment. :)

[EstWRC]

definitely not! we have all our stuff basically booked already...so we wont change it for Poland


the only downside is these rallies are so far away in the calendar

anyway this is monte topic, dunno if this was already here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9hK8ha4fI

[Mintexmemory]

Well it was a shame for us that stage 16 was cancelled. The marshalling was crazy with loads of whistling and no clear instructions, while a quick turn around between runs meant people changing position was always going to cause trouble. All the police seem to is stand around doing sweet FA or they go mental at people. Then some of the spectator points have been a joke, literally barely 6 feet wide. Rally Gbs pens are a luxury in comparison!!

Breen..

https://twitter.com/AlastairCummins/status/823177780376535044

And Evans on stage 14.

https://twitter.com/AlastairCummins/status/823173225551040514
Have you decided if it's you, Luke or Ian who is the last day jinx? Chris will no doubt have told you what a miserably joyless cow La Mouton seems to be in her safety role!
Great pics from all of you - looks like a Monte every 3 years is a good idea, you sure you aren't able to do Sardinia?

[A FONDO]

We must not forget that Breen is well used to the DS3 and this car is well refined after many years. Don't expect too much from him with the C3, at least in the first rallies. Still I am sure the C3 is not worse than the other cars as some of you said, one day when Meeke is in a proper mood will prove it. In the first part of this season timetables will depend mostly on drivers' abilities and technical reliability.

[EstWRC]

nice long vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIr88djGGAI

[A FONDO]

Sound Rallye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LweVglKlH0 6:55 Tell Malcolm, three cylinders are enough!

[kirungi okwogera]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCM3j-HFQtM

What we've all been waiting for from the new official WRC media outlet, youtube channel ouhla-lui!

SANGLIER!

[Bartek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo He knows how to drive Clio

Anybody know how old is he? He has a great feeling of the car

[tc10a]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCM3j-HFQtM

What we've all been waiting for from the new official WRC media outlet, youtube channel ouhla-lui!

SANGLIER!

Whats all this artificially hype of this "ouhla-lui"?
Nice videos, but nothing special. Way better filmed videos from Monte out.

[René]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo He knows how to drive Clio

Anybody know how old is he? He has a great feeling of the car

20 years old !

[stefanvv]

Ford is probably close but less refined at the moment. The mechanical problem's on Ott's car and Ogier's struggle in the first half of the event show that there's work to do.

Ogier has some work to do for sure as he had so little time in the car. You could notice the difference between friday loops when he changed his setup a bit, but the result was visible. He should adapt the car to himself.
As for Tanak's problems, seems to be some electrical problem they must find and solve. Otherwise good package.


Neuville - impressive speed and confidence but the mistake came when he wasn't pressured

Strange bird is Neuville - outstanding performance when conditions were really difficult, played safe and drove according to his notes when conditions were improving a bit (ss7 & 8). Then all of sudden when he should only cruise to victory ignores a pacenote and disaster happened. He should keep his rhythm on one hand ok, but was clearly overdriving when it wasn't necessary.

[mozesii]

I wanted to write my thoughts on the rally, but it would be a copy of this, spot on Dim!
Only thing I add, really great job by Breen in my opinion, can't wait to see his next performances in the C3.

To the person who called Toyota a village team, eat humble pie
To the person who claimed that their grandma had more balls than Evans, you need to show yours now
To N.O.T. its obvious that you are an authority on rallying and you are also very condescending
To all on this forum, you have grown into the best resource of live information. Plus you are very educative. You are wrc.com, reuters, facebook, redbulltv combined. This group and its access to info is the best thing that has happened to wrc in ages. In some wrc events, I have been an assistant CoC, CRO or some other fancy title. It was the only time I ever had had real-time access to independent information, until now. What you guys did last weekend was exactly what FIA/WRC needs.

Many thanks to you all.

I hope the same will happen throughout this year.

[Doon]

To the person who called Toyota a village team, eat humble pie
To the person who claimed that their grandma had more balls than Evans, you need to show yours now
To N.O.T. its obvious that you are an authority on rallying and you are also very condescending
To all on this forum, you have grown into the best resource of live information. Plus you are very educative. You are wrc.com, reuters, facebook, redbulltv combined. This group and its access to info is the best thing that has happened to wrc in ages. In some wrc events, I have been an assistant CoC, CRO or some other fancy title. It was the only time I ever had had real-time access to independent information, until now. What you guys did last weekend was exactly what FIA/WRC needs.

Many thanks to you all.

I hope the same will happen throughout this year.

Toyota haven't exactly proven anything yet, their stage times weren't exactly impressive. They might have finished 2nd, but Bryan Bouffier came 2nd on the 2014 Monte!

[AL14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo He knows how to drive Clio

Anybody know how old is he? He has a great feeling of the car

In the stages everytime he passed it seemed to be in a stadium. He deserved of course all the cheerings.

Btw I've been impressed also by this guy Astier, is he a young guy? He was fearless and clearly faster than others of his class. I think we will hear of him again.

[Jasper]

In the stages everytime he passed it seemed to be in a stadium. He deserved of course all the cheerings.

Btw I've been impressed also by this guy Astier, is he a young guy? He was fearless and clearly faster than others of his class. I think we will hear of him again.

I think he is 25. Normally he wil do 5 rally's in WRC3.
He drives already a couple of years in French regional championship (BMW Z3 / Porsche).

[Ross99]

Who would have thought Stobart Ford would be leading the championship.

[Sulland]

This driver can also be satisfied with his Monte:
http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=35143&d=1352886&t=Rallye-Automobile-de-Monte-Carlo-2017

[A FONDO]

In the stages everytime he passed it seemed to be in a stadium. He deserved of course all the cheerings.

Btw I've been impressed also by this guy Astier, is he a young guy? He was fearless and clearly faster than others of his class. I think we will hear of him again.
Astier - WRC test in heavy rain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwB8opgkXZQ
His own channel in YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvF3jKSB8BV6v_knWgh6jYQ/videos
biography http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=24148&t=Raphael-Astier preferrably RWD which is probably the right choice to grow up


The yellow-pink old Clio was 100% committed EVERYWHERE, can't believe he's only 20.

[Grundo Farb]

To the person who called Toyota a village team, eat humble pie
To the person who claimed that their grandma had more balls than Evans, you need to show yours now
To N.O.T. its obvious that you are an authority on rallying and you are also very condescending
To all on this forum, you have grown into the best resource of live information. Plus you are very educative. You are wrc.com, reuters, facebook, redbulltv combined. This group and its access to info is the best thing that has happened to wrc in ages. In some wrc events, I have been an assistant CoC, CRO or some other fancy title. It was the only time I ever had had real-time access to independent information, until now. What you guys did last weekend was exactly what FIA/WRC needs.

Many thanks to you all.

I hope the same will happen throughout this year.

Hmmm...

Might have to disagree with some of that.

Given timezones I was always playing catchup to the comments on here but after reading them all I have to agree with one post I think from GravelBen where he said "a lot of stupid being posted on here".

I guess as N.O.T says some of you are "kids" and susceptible to premature ejaculation but the first full day of rallying at Monte Carlo is a bit premature to start bagging people or blowing others out of all proportion.

Patience grasshoppers.

Also, there was a large number of posters who couldn't make up their minds and in the words of Russell Brands ex wife "changed their minds like a girl changes clothes". One minute Evans didn't deserve a car and he was a waste of skin with only compromising photos of Malcolm Wilson being waved around by Gwyndaff Evans that got him a seat (I embellished that bit). Then he sets fastest times. One minute people can't believe he is so slow, next minute they can't believe the tyres are that bad then they can't believe how good the tyres are in the right conditions.

Then Hannenen is amazing and on-fire and so surprisingly good but crashes at the same time Lefevbre and Meeke do but they are useless dogs. They have no excuse and Matton is such an idiot for not giving some guy from Norway a seat whose name escapes me but I think rhymes with Tickelsen. He is awesome as he is smashing the awesome R5 drivers with a long pedigree in factory R5's and are all champions. We all know he is a good driver but please, we don't need to hear it every 15 minutes...

Neuville went from being stunning and so precise to being a mystery who can't handle the pressure of being 1 minute in the lead of a rally.

i could go on but my hair hurts thinking about some of it.

Personally the only things people actually seemed to get right were;
Sordo was slow
Breen was great
Tanak was unlucky
Ogier was very lucky
Paddon will feel terrible
Toyota/Latvala were lucky

It was an entertaining rally, but for some reason this rally brought out some very silly flippy floppy comments.

[RS]

I don't think we've seen anything close to the potential of these new cars yet. Breen and the WRC2 crews didn't seem much further back than I would have expected if the field was made up of 2016 WRCs.

Overall Monte was a little disappointing for me. Great to see MSport win again (shows what a difference the driver makes in rallying) but there were no close battles particularly and the live tv was missing something maybe because of this.

WRC2 as often with big gaps and drivers cruising after one day.

I wouldn't want to draw much conclusion about the cars yet other than the Ford and Hyundai are clearly decent. I still think Citroën hasn't shown it's cards yet.. terrible rally for them (Meeke's accident didn't make a lot of difference in the end when he was taken out again twice afterwards)

A special word for Ogier though, moving teams and still delivering the goods straight away. But also his sympathy for Neuville and Tanak, he was quite compassionate. I still don't get why some people here hate him so much.

Looking forward to Sweden where hopefully we'll start to get a clearer picture of how the cars stack up.

[dupanton]

The yellow-pink old Clio was 100% committed EVERYWHERE, can't believe he's only 20.

He was slower than Astier in an R2 on all stages bar one on thursday, friday and saturday (I think Astier had a puncture). Only on sunday he was faster.

[A FONDO]

He was slower than Astier in an R2 on all stages bar one on thursday, friday and saturday (I think Astier had a puncture). Only on sunday he was faster.

I don't give a fuck about the times, could you not realise it?

[stefanvv]

One minute Evans didn't deserve a car and he was a waste of skin with only compromising photos of Malcolm Wilson being waved around by Gwyndaff Evans that got him a seat (I embellished that bit). Then he sets fastest times. One minute people can't believe he is so slow, next minute they can't believe the tyres are that bad then they can't believe how good the tyres are in the right conditions.

I watched some of his onboards, on snow he seemed fast enough, but for a boat. I can give all that credit to the tyres.

[denkimi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo He knows how to drive Clio

no he doesn't. 20 years ago spectacular and fast driving could be combined, but nowadays not anymore.
scandinavian flicking and sliding all over the place may be appealing to the crowds, its neither a fast nor a safe way to drive.

unless, pleasing the crowd was his goal off course.

[kirungi okwogera]

Whats all this artificially hype of this "ouhla-lui"?
Nice videos, but nothing special. Way better filmed videos from Monte out.

I like lots of fan videos, but for me personally I have a special place in my heart for this dude who can't hold back his emotional responses... good driving gets a OUUU JOLIE or MAGNIFIQUE, spins and offs get SANGLIER. Like, he knows he's making videos to compete with the serious (and seriously talented) types on youtube, but he can't shut up because he's too excited. I like that.

[A FONDO]

I like lots of fan videos, but for me personally I have a special place in my heart for this dude who can't hold back his emotional responses... good driving gets a OUUU JOLIE or MAGNIFIQUE, spins and offs get SANGLIER. Like, he knows he's making videos to compete with the serious (and seriously talented) types on youtube, but he can't shut up because he's too excited. I like that.
As I said, we've got plenty enough silent videos whose uploaders you forget after 2 minutes. Ouhla lui is a nice exception of the herd.

no he doesn't. 20 years ago spectacular and fast driving could be combined, but nowadays not anymore.
scandinavian flicking and sliding all over the place may be appealing to the crowds, its neither a fast nor a safe way to drive.

unless, pleasing the crowd was his goal off course.
Same here, of course it's not the fastest way, nobody said that. We've got enough scared guys in FWD, but this Tibo is not only brave but he directs the car very skillfully, it's not only useless flicks to get attention.

[mozesii]

Toyota haven't exactly proven anything yet, their stage times weren't exactly impressive. They might have finished 2nd, but Bryan Bouffier came 2nd on the 2014 Monte!

Unimpressive stage times after a 16 year hiatus, new car, new team, reliable car... not bad at all.
Lets wait and see the gravel snow effect on Toyota's rear wheel arcs, Ford's rear breather pipes and Citroen's Front Bumper.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/rkdbpizo3kQ

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/l8ZSKWx4Opg

[ziggysony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKioaCOIug video Rally Monte-Carlo 2017 enjoy

[René]

Analyse Meeke crash

https://youtu.be/M0ylFSJKydA

[macebig]

Analyse Meeke crash

https://youtu.be/M0ylFSJKydA

Someone had a GoPro in the bank Meeke hit?Could it may have causen the suspension break?

[SubaruNorway]

Someone had a GoPro in the bank Meeke hit?Could it may have causen the suspension break?

Sorry, but that's the funniest thing i've read today

[swanny]

Someone had a GoPro in the bank Meeke hit?Could it may have causen the suspension break?

If it was attached to a concrete block...

[macebig]

Sorry, but that's the funniest thing i've read today

May I ask why?Those things have a very tough build and may be able to resist pretty much any force thrown at them.

[SubaruNorway]

May I ask why?Those things have a very tough build and may be able to resist pretty much any force thrown at them.

Yes i know, i had the whole shell smashed into 10 pieces once but the Gopro was fine, but no that's not possible.

Hänninen's tree crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxtomaMsWLMlYj18zFrgs8iu&v=293ZQpB8Q1g

[steve.mandzij]

Yes i know, i had the whole shell smashed into 10 pieces once but the Gopro was fine, but no that's not possible.

Hänninen's tree crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxtomaMsWLMlYj18zFrgs8iu&v=293ZQpB8Q1g
I have a hard time deciding if Hanninen's crash was unlucky or if he went in too fast.

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[N.O.T]

I have a hard time deciding if Hanninen's crash was unlucky or if he went in too fast.

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the spot caught a lot of drivers off guard.

[USER47]

Yeah, there was a lot of ice, many drivers had some troubles there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXmv4CZajyY

[Allez Andruet]

Personally the only things people actually seemed to get right were;
Sordo was slow
Breen was great
Tanak was unlucky
Ogier was very lucky
Paddon will feel terrible
Toyota/Latvala were lucky

How come Latvala was 'lucky'? For not making any mistakes or...? Or Toyota in general? Ok, JML overtaking Tänak can be called lucky in a way but what else?

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-27-0-88863500-1485192392.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/79ba3a28a1b56921524dd796b9c18b26.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-3985-0-72205000-1485158897.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2017/ogier-monte-reaction/page/4247--12-12-.html

[Allyc85]

Not surprised the lad in the yellow/pink Clio wasn't that fast. He was fantastic to watch though, and massively added to the atmosphere. For me he was one of the drivers of the event!!


Have you decided if it's you, Luke or Ian who is the last day jinx? Chris will no doubt have told you what a miserably joyless cow La Mouton seems to be in her safety role!
Great pics from all of you - looks like a Monte every 3 years is a good idea, you sure you aren't able to do Sardinia?

No blame has been given! We were all just relieved to not be soaking wet!!

The showboating by some of the crews at the back of the field was quite amusing, which also lessened the blow!

[Mirek]

The last photo... that's Col St. Roch. In 2012 (WRC) people stood everywhere around the road even on those walls.

[Allyc85]

The last photo... that's Col St. Roch. In 2012 (WRC) people stood everywhere around the road even on those walls.

We tried to watch at that bottom hairpin pictured, but was turned away by the marshal. It was perfectly safe, but it felt like he couldn't be bothered with a group of spectators.

[Mariusz]

How come Latvala was 'lucky'? For not making any mistakes or...? Or Toyota in general? Ok, JML overtaking Tänak can be called lucky in a way but what else?
I'd call JML lucky too. His stage times were so so and somehow he finished 2nd. So good drive without mistakes, but lucky end result.

[Allez Andruet]

I'd call JML lucky too. His stage times were so so and somehow he finished 2nd. So good drive without mistakes, but lucky end result.
I still don't get what makes him lucky in this case. It's rallying we're talking about here - it's not about stage times, it's about the end result.

[Rallyper]

Personally the only things people actually seemed to get right were;
Sordo was slow
Breen was great
Tanak was unlucky
Ogier was very lucky
Paddon will feel terrible
Toyota/Latvala were lucky

It was an entertaining rally, but for some reason this rally brought out some very silly flippy floppy comments.

Yes, there were a few:

Sordo was slow
Breen was great
Toyota/Latvala were lucky

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16195900_1606240969405324_4838765866518333235_n.jp g?oh=9a2482665c1d051744dabe54f8a8e04d&oe=591F3F6B

[denkimi]

I have a hard time deciding if Hanninen's crash was unlucky or if he went in too fast.

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too fast. but if I see it correctly, he blocked the wheels under braking and went straight into the tree. perhaps he could have avoided it if he had stopped braking, like most other drivers.


I'd call JML lucky too. His stage times were so so and somehow he finished 2nd. So good drive without mistakes, but lucky end result.
yet, he's only 2:15 slower than ogier. if you look at times from other years, that's not unusually much for monte carlo.

2016:
Ogier 3:49:53.1
Mikkelsen +1:54.5
Neuville +3:17.9
Østberg +4:47.7

2015:
Ogier 3:36:40.2
Latvala +58.0
Mikkelsen +2:12.3
Østberg +2:43.6

2014:
Ogier 3:55:14.4
Bouffier +1:18.9
Meeke +1:54.3
Østberg +3:53.9

[steve.mandzij]

yet, he's only 2:15 slower than ogier. if you look at times from other years, that's not unusually much for monte carlo.

2016:
Ogier 3:49:53.1
Mikkelsen +1:54.5
Neuville +3:17.9
Østberg +4:47.7

2015:
Ogier 3:36:40.2
Latvala +58.0
Mikkelsen +2:12.3
Østberg +2:43.6

2014:
Ogier 3:55:14.4
Bouffier +1:18.9
Meeke +1:54.3
Østberg +3:53.9

It's a Corsica type thing. The stages are winding and long, which makes for large gaps.

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[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln46izBVWUw dedocross

[danon]

... To the person who claimed that their grandma had more balls than Evans, you need to show yours now...

https://s5.postimg.org/vzurdfifb/grandma_balls.jpg

[car]

Someone had a GoPro in the bank Meeke hit?Could it may have causen the suspension break?

It was actually the right-rear suspension that was damaged. This is from when the car spun and the rear end hit the bank on the inside of the corner. Surprisingly enough, the right-front suspension seemed ok.

[A FONDO]

versilia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5UJ8LR7jNA 4:44 http://www.number49s.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/rock-on.gif

[SubaruNorway]

It was actually the right-rear suspension that was damaged. This is from when the car spun and the rear end hit the bank on the inside of the corner. Surprisingly enough, the right-front suspension seemed ok.

Both actually, look at 1:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ylFSJKydA&feature=youtu.be

[Mk2 RS2000]

Poland is close enough to do last minute decisions.

Not from our neck of the woods, we have to finalise plans within the next couple of weeks so as to get flights, rental car and hotels at a reasonable rate. Mind you we will probably hang around until after Finland too.

[EstWRC]

versilia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5UJ8LR7jNA 4:44 http://www.number49s.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/rock-on.gif

lol at 7:06

[tolx]

Not from our neck of the woods, we have to finalise plans within the next couple of weeks so as to get flights, rental car and hotels at a reasonable rate. Mind you we will probably hang around until after Finland too.
Where are you from?
My answer was to EstWrc :D

[swanny]

Where are you from?
My answer was to EstWrc :D


Ha ha ha. Timaru is a long way from Poland :)
(I used to live there)

[tolx]

Oh, sorry, just got it.
Well, would be glad to meet if you decide to go to poland.

[A FONDO]

For those who like flat-outs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-I0XPqeL4

[dimviii]

For those who like flat-outs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-I0XPqeL4

So Evans Neuville and Breen didn't lift at all.All the others lifted and some lifted and braked. These are the videos I like,to compare passes at near limiter.
Thanks for posting Slowson.

[SubaruNorway]

Hard to make a direct comparison in MC from year to year, but just had a quick look at 16' vs 17' car up to the top of Col De Turini.
First run both years with pretty similar conditions with Lefebvre and Mikkelsen who were fastest, Lefebvre is 20 sec faster to the top.

That's 15km which means the 17' car is 1.3 sec faster pr/km in uphill if i didn't calculate that wrong?

End time is 13.51 for Lefebvre in the C3 and 14:09 for Mikkelsen in the Polo over 21.36km which is 0.84 sec pr/km

[stefanvv]

Hard to make a direct comparison in MC, but just had a quick look at 16' vs 17' car up to the top of Col De Turini.
First run both years with pretty similar conditions with Lefebvre and Mikkelsen who were fastest, Lefebvre is 20 sec faster to the top.

That's 15km which means the 17' car is 1.3 sec faster pr/km in uphill if i didn't calculate that wrong?

Mikkelsen?

[car]

Both actually, look at 1:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ylFSJKydA&feature=youtu.be

Right you are! I had heard Becs (I think) say it on WRR and took it at face value... I should have known given the severity of the impact.

[Simorally86]

This was my 19th Rallye Monte Carlo, and what to say, for sure has been one of the best i have seen ever!
Here some pictures from "my" Monte.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.738663969620980.1073741875.253244108162971&type=1&l=ee24e949cf

[Bartek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycptDHzb-g

[dimviii]

Hard to make a direct comparison in MC from year to year, but just had a quick look at 16' vs 17' car up to the top of Col De Turini.
First run both years with pretty similar conditions with Lefebvre and Mikkelsen who were fastest, Lefebvre is 20 sec faster to the top.

That's 15km which means the 17' car is 1.3 sec faster pr/km in uphill if i didn't calculate that wrong?

End time is 13.51 for Lefebvre in the C3 and 14:09 for Mikkelsen in the Polo over 21.36km which is 0.84 sec pr/km

if I remember right Lefebvre was on slicks,do you know at what tyres was Mikkesen at 2016?

[dimviii]

Here some pictures from "my" Monte.


some very nice photos Simo,thanks mate!

[stefanvv]

if I remember right Lefebvre was on slicks,do you know at what tyres was Mikkesen at 2016?

You're right for the tyres, but anyway is this comparison for wrc cars, or R5 vs WRC cars?

[SubaruNorway]

if I remember right Lefebvre was on slicks,do you know at what tyres was Mikkesen at 2016?

Super soft on Mikkelsen in 2016

[SubaruNorway]

You're right for the tyres, but anyway is this comparison for wrc cars, or R5 vs WRC cars?

WRC of course.

Looking at Mikkelsen's time this year in the R5 he did a 14.17 against 14:09 in the Polo, so maybe it was quite a bit better conditions this year.

[stefanvv]

WRC of course.

Looking at Mikkelsen's time this year in the R5 he did a 14.17 against 14:09 in the Polo, so maybe it was quite a bit better conditions this year.

Ah, I see You compare Mikkelsen in 2016. Well yeah, Lefebvre was on Soft tyres this run, which explains his fast time.

[dimviii]

WRC of course.

Looking at Mikkelsen's time this year in the R5 he did a 14.17 against 14:09 in the Polo, so maybe it was quite a bit better conditions this year.

14,38 faster r5 time at 2016 (Lappi) so seems much better conditions this year.Lets wait fornext rallies to have a better view.

[denkimi]

So Evans Neuville and Breen didn't lift at all.All the others lifted and some lifted and braked. These are the videos I like,to compare passes at near limiter.
Thanks for posting Slowson.

hard to see with that stupid smoke, but i think breen braked a little with his left foot, while neuville and evans didn't touched the brake pedal.