Rally Wrc Monte Carlo 2017

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Over 300 pages for a rally... is this forum record ?! :)

[dimviii]

hard to see with that stupid smoke, but i think breen braked a little with his left foot, while neuville and evans didn't touched the brake pedal.

cant see thetail lights lighting,also gas pedal is floored from engine sound,and no antilag noise.
Probably few less km/h from 2017 cars

[Grundo Farb]

I have a hard time deciding if Hanninen's crash was unlucky or if he went in too fast.


By definition he was going too fast. If he was slower he would have had more control.

Was he unlucky to be going too fast? Now that's a different question.

[pettersolberg29]

Got back today from an incredible time in the south of France - new cars, mixed weather and surprise performances helped create a top quality week/weekend of rallying! Delighted for M-Sport and Ogier for the win, although it was perhaps one of the more fortunate ones after Neuville threw away what would have been a well-deserved and potentially quite easy win. Top performances and speed from Evans, Tanak and Breen too, as well as Mikkelsen and a fascinating debut from Toyota who performed much better than I'd expected.

SS3/6 was a beautiful stage to visit around St Disdier, and Savournon is one of the most beautiful spots to watch rallying in the world. Save for SS16 being cancelled while we had a top viewing spot on Col St Roch, it was the perfect rally for us to spectate! Not even -14 degrees and a huge amount of awful driving from spectators on the access roads ruined it!

Anyway, for those interested here are some photos from the event - certainly think the new cars are more photogenic! https://flic.kr/s/aHskMxpn4Q

[COD]

I can not understand, why people say that Monte is not a real rally, but a lottery. This is what rallying should be about, adapting to changing conditions, endurance combined with speed.

I do agree, that it is a rally, where we can not know what performance differences really are, sweden will give a better indication. But hats off to Toyota for making a car that had very little mech issues in their first rally. Latvala was good as he is when he has no pressure of winning. Sur they were lucky with position, but that is part of the sport. To finish first, first you have to finish.

Citroen disaster, hope not an indication of things ti come. The more cars are up to it, the better season we will have

[stefanvv]

I can not understand, why people say that Monte is not a real rally, but a lottery. This is what rallying should be about, adapting to changing conditions, endurance combined with speed.

For those kids who don't know the history, first rally actually happened in Monte Carlo 116 years ago.

[mknight]

Top performances and speed from Evans..

Nitpicking here and off course it's impossible to know exactly how much difference tires made, but loosing 8 mins in 6 stages by driving (and 3 mins to an R5 car) does not qualify for "top performance" in my eyes.

[bowler]

I can not understand, why people say that Monte is not a real rally, but a lottery. This is what rallying should be about, adapting to changing conditions, endurance combined with speed.



Monte is certainly a lottery, with so many conditions possible, and so many actions needed to allow for the changes. But it certainly is a real rally, and one unlike all of the others, which is its value.

[stefanvv]

Nitpicking here and off course it's impossible to know exactly how much difference tires made, but loosing 8 mins in 6 stages by driving (and 3 mins to an R5 car) does not qualify for "top performance" in my eyes.

"Speed" is for stages 9+, "Performance" is for the whole rally. The Jury has decided he is on 6th place.

[SubaruNorway]

Forgot that i could just check Breen vs Lefebvre, so 0.7 sec pr/km then on ss15

[stefanvv]

Monte is certainly a lottery, with so many conditions possible, and so many actions needed to allow for the changes. But it certainly is a real rally, and one unlike all of the others, which is its value.

Many drivers have said it is lottery, but they only mean the tyre choice (and probably influenced by the closeness of Monte Carlo's Casino). It certainly is not a lottery itself. The fastest driver wins, as in any other rally/racing in the world.

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycptDHzb-g

Fans reaction @13:02 is speaking itself.

[macebig]

Fans reaction @13:02 is speaking itself.

Elfyn 'Mad Welsh' Evans..

[stefanvv]

Elfyn 'Mad Welsh' Evans..

I don't think he is mad. But can't deny he has some speed to show coming.

[jbmarcus21]

My video rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6xyGr3IIfs

[A FONDO]

So Evans Neuville and Breen didn't lift at all.All the others lifted and some lifted and braked. These are the videos I like,to compare passes at near limiter.
Thanks for posting Slowson.

pleasure to share with fellas who appreciate the same.

[Mintexmemory]

Got back today from an incredible time in the south of France - new cars, mixed weather and surprise performances helped create a top quality week/weekend of rallying! Delighted for M-Sport and Ogier for the win, although it was perhaps one of the more fortunate ones after Neuville threw away what would have been a well-deserved and potentially quite easy win. Top performances and speed from Evans, Tanak and Breen too, as well as Mikkelsen and a fascinating debut from Toyota who performed much better than I'd expected.

SS3/6 was a beautiful stage to visit around St Disdier, and Savournon is one of the most beautiful spots to watch rallying in the world. Save for SS16 being cancelled while we had a top viewing spot on Col St Roch, it was the perfect rally for us to spectate! Not even -14 degrees and a huge amount of awful driving from spectators on the access roads ruined it!

Anyway, for those interested here are some photos from the event - certainly think the new cars are more photogenic! https://flic.kr/s/aHskMxpn4Q

Brilliant shots Ian - great having an SLR insn't it!!

[WRC1]

for all with facebook account, here are my MONTE pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Rallyepics/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1250003891755093

hope you like them ;)

[A FONDO]

better view of Juho's ditch https://youtu.be/ZReNdn8SOzw?t=1m1s

[pettersolberg29]

Nitpicking here and off course it's impossible to know exactly how much difference tires made, but loosing 8 mins in 6 stages by driving (and 3 mins to an R5 car) does not qualify for "top performance" in my eyes.

Fair point, he was visibly much slower on Friday and seemed to massively struggle. However on Saturday and Sunday he looked really top notch and was among the very fastest drivers. I think Sweden might be a massive struggle based on his speed on snow on the Monte, however his speed bodes well for future tarmac events this year!

[A FONDO]

Full stage in original sequence if you want to compare whose left foot is heavier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5DgPleZRiE at 7:30 No. 101

[Franky]

To everyone who still doesn't understand Evans' pace during the entire rally. Welcome to the world of DMACK!

[rage82]

Here’s my impressions from our trip to rally Monte Carlo:
Organisation – it wasn’t bad despite Paddon’s tragic accident. Organizers were much stricter and there were many places forbidden for public that weren’t in previous years. Of course there were some bad placed people during the rally and some drunk French guys yielding to Mouton when she stopped to tell them that it’s a forbidden place. It’s not easy to control such huge crowd but I personally think that they have done a good job.
Cars – looking and sounding really nice. The 4 carmakers are very close to each other in terms of speed, maybe Hyundai has some small advantage as Neuville was very fast and confident. Nice job for Toyota, they hadn’t any major problems with their cars during the weekend.
Drivers –
1. Ogier is Ogier. Very smart driving, was fast and clean on spots that we were watching, maybe some bit of luck in a couple of situations but managed to win the rally in his first outing with Ford.
2. Latvalla – a bit surprised with his result. He was a bit over the place, did some small mistakes but let’s hope this result will be a boost for his confidence.
3. Tanak – fast and clean, problems with the car otherwise he would be 2-nd
4. Sordo – nowhere the other guys.
5. Breen – fast with the old car let’s see what he can do in the new C3 in Sweden.
6. Evans – showed some good pace with Dmack, would be interesting if he could challenge the other guys on some rallies suiting Dmack tires .
7. Neuville – very fast and obviously confident in the car, stupid small mistake cost him the win. Can be a real treat to Ogier this season.
8. Hanninen – did some very good stage times and I think he has done a good job considering he hasn’t compete for a few years now. As a main test driver for Toyota he’s feeling good in the car and he was able to set better times than Latvalla on some stages.
9. Meeke – really disappointed with him. Last year in the old DS3 he was fighting with Ogier , and this year with the brand new C3 developed mainly by him, he was near nowhere in terms of speed. There’s two possibilities – the car’s not fast or he wasn’t comfortable with the setup of the car. Let’s hope it Is just setup issues and he can find his speed in next rallies.

Overall we have enjoyed the rally and can’t wait Sweden to start.

[Norm75]

Rage82, agree with comments except the last. Yes, Meeke was a disappointment this rally, but to say that the Citroen is a lot slower than other cars is a bit premature. Kris was at the sharp end (2nd) until he slid wide, and while he didn't set any scratch times he was there or there a bouts, and said that he didn't feel comfortable in the car.
His rally 2 results are largely to be ignored, no point risking further damage given his position, better to gather data.
Sweden will be a better indicator of Kris/citroens performance level.

[A FONDO]

Maxi Pixel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYQEHDCeWP8 energizing

[Rallyper]

To me Evans performance in RMC is a mystery. How can the difference be so big between legs as for him? Have it ever happened to a top driver doing such massive divergence in driving? Same car same tyres?

I´ll wait a couple of rounds until honouring him a top ten WRC driver level.

[seb_sh]

I was bored last evening and played around in a spreadsheet a bit and calculated the difference per kilometer compared to the stage winner for each stage separately. This removes stage length from the equation but to me it shows the "raw pace" on each stage. I also made an average of these differences and a ranking based on that. The average is less relevant to the "real time" classification because the pace on all stages has equal importance to the average regardless of length but I think it can show some things about the raw speed potential.

I removed the last stage from the average per rally because that was much affected by weather and I removed data that was affected by mechanical problems but not the driver mistakes. So here are some interesting things:

1. Evans had the best pace since SS9 on average. In real-time he was 0.2s slower than Ogier on all of the stages on Saturday but that's because Ogier had a smaller advantage over longer stages while Evans had a bigger advantage on shorter stages.
2. On SS12 the stage before he crashed Neuville had his slowest pace from all of the stages so far, by some margin. Maybe he started to backed off, relaxed and lost focus? In the post stage interview he said "I have the snow tyres this afternoon. This morning we were on slicks. It was the safe choice. We have a good lead, but we have to be clever." Maybe i'm over analyzing :P
3. Latvala was on average the 4th fastest, slightly faster than Sordo. He had 6 stages where he was under 0.5s/km slower than the winner and 4 more where he was under 1s/km slower. However, Meeke and Breen were not far behind, I'm pretty sure Meeke could have outpaced him and Breen was just 0.260s/km on average slower in a 2016 car.

I dunno, maybe it's a silly thing to look at but the results fit some of my intuition/feeling.

[A FONDO]

2. On SS12 the stage before he crashed Neuville had his slowest pace from all of the stages so far, by some margin. Maybe he started to backed off, relaxed and lost focus?
He never backed off, he just began leaving the road more and more often until he finally binned it.

[Rallyper]

I was bored last evening and played around in a spreadsheet a bit and calculated the difference per kilometer compared to the stage winner for each stage separately. This removes stage length from the equation but to me it shows the "raw pace" on each stage. I also made an average of these differences and a ranking based on that. The average is less relevant to the "real time" classification because the pace on all stages has equal importance to the average regardless of length but I think it can show some things about the raw speed potential.

I removed the last stage from the average per rally because that was much affected by weather and I removed data that was affected by mechanical problems but not the driver mistakes. So here are some interesting things:

1. Evans had the best pace since SS9 on average. In real-time he was 0.2s slower than Ogier on all of the stages on Saturday but that's because Ogier had a smaller advantage over longer stages while Evans had a bigger advantage on shorter stages.
2. On SS12 the stage before he crashed Neuville had his slowest pace from all of the stages so far, by some margin. Maybe he started to backed off, relaxed and lost focus? In the post stage interview he said "I have the snow tyres this afternoon. This morning we were on slicks. It was the safe choice. We have a good lead, but we have to be clever." Maybe i'm over analyzing :P
3. Latvala was on average the 4th fastest, slightly faster than Sordo. He had 6 stages where he was under 0.5s/km slower than the winner and 4 more where he was under 1s/km slower. However, Meeke and Breen were not far behind, I'm pretty sure Meeke could have outpaced him and Breen was just 0.260s/km on average slower in a 2016 car.

I dunno, maybe it's a silly thing to look at but the results fit some of my intuition/feeling.

So Evans to become 2nd in WDC then? ;)

[seb_sh]

So Evans to become 2nd in WDC then? ;)

haha, yes if the rest of the championship is composed of short, fast, tarmac stages. Oh wait, it's not ;) :D

[AL14]

I dunno, maybe it's a silly thing to look at but the results fit some of my intuition/feeling.

That's very interesting although maybe you chose the wrong rally to use it. :)
Also, it could be integrated with other data like the kind of tyres used and others but it is very nice tool overall. :)

[A FONDO]

Some good action caught by JB rallye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xllbg4XsIp8

ps this one's also good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp9oA6TdHM

[Bartek]

https://www.facebook.com/romromrallye/videos/1420780834621296/

[rage82]

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Meeke and Citroen but he finished only 2 stages before retiring setting 4-th and 3-rd fastest time and on Saturday he was slower than most of his rivals. He has some problems with the car also so you are maybe right that he was driving only to collect data, maybe my expectations were set very high as I was hoping he could probably fight for the win.

Rage82, agree with comments except the last. Yes, Meeke was a disappointment this rally, but to say that the Citroen is a lot slower than other cars is a bit premature. Kris was at the sharp end (2nd) until he slid wide, and while he didn't set any scratch times he was there or there a bouts, and said that he didn't feel comfortable in the car.
His rally 2 results are largely to be ignored, no point risking further damage given his position, better to gather data.
Sweden will be a better indicator of Kris/citroens performance level.


Sent from my X17 using Tapatalk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

D-Mack on Elfyn Evans' Monte wins and their new tyres:

http://www.dmacktyres.com/magic-monte-as-dmack-takes-first-win-on-tarmac

[dimviii]

Some good action caught by JB rallye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xllbg4XsIp8

ps this one's also good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp9oA6TdHM


Excellent videos and well choosen spots.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2017/grr_28.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=35143&fotograf=100

[Simmi]

My photos from the rally if anyone fancies a look. Been wanting to do this event for 20 years so very pleased to be able to tick it off.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157679444128816

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/628/32383593921_61f253f7f4_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RkCofe)1 (https://flic.kr/p/RkCofe) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/479/32383592751_fcba97f3b8_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RkCnU4)2 (https://flic.kr/p/RkCnU4) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/431/32505506065_85d8ecfc28_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RwpdtK)3 (https://flic.kr/p/RwpdtK) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/M%C5%A0-Photo-451983175009910/

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174946_617208211820738_2422007132233798517_n.jpg ?oh=f79a1400bfbfafa6b847b5a2d30e6d2a&oe=590EE8C7

[EstWRC]

checkpoints best of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9IeiqVkDpM

[SubaruNorway]

After having watched Evan's onboards on ss3 and 4 i would say i did a good job of even reaching the finish, looks like driving on slicks with those tyres

[AL14]

But what about Bergkvist? He was very slow everytime a saw him pass. Did he had some problem with the car or something? I hope so otherwise I fear the guy is not the huge talent he seemed.


p.s. thank god Rallyper doesn't know where I live :spinhead:

[EstWRC]

reading all these comments and conversations about Evans and Dmack makes me appreciate Tänak's 16 season even more.


for me the performance isnt weird at all, the tyre just isnt as universal as michelin.

[macebig]

But what about Bergkvist? He was very slow everytime a saw him pass. Did he had some problem with the car or something? I hope so otherwise I fear the guy is not the huge talent he seemed.


p.s. thank god Rallyper doesn't know where I live :spinhead:

Bergkvist had various problems.Broken gearbox on Thursday night,several punctures during the next 2 days and brake troubles on Sunday.Adding that to the fact that the DS3 is not competitive and it will be soon be replaced by a C3 model, you get the picture.

[AL14]

Bergkvist had various problems.Broken gearbox on Thursday night,several punctures during the next 2 days and brake troubles on Sunday.Adding that to the fact that the DS3 is not competitive and it will be soon be replaced by a C3 model, you get the picture.

Thanks, I was not aware of these trouble, I'm pretty sure he had that brake issues when I saw him then, he seemed not competitive at all.

[bluuford]

reading all these comments and conversations about Evans and Dmack makes me appreciate Tänak's 16 season even more.


for me the performance isnt weird at all, the tyre just isnt as universal as michelin.

Obviously, DMack has take alternative risk as they took last year (a bit softer compound for gravel). They made a tyre that is likely to work very well on little bit frozen asphalt, dry aspalt, humid asphalt and not working in snowy-slushy conditions. Looking back to the last years average Monte, it was relatively wise decision, This year was just relatively exceptional Monte :) Not average ;) So and they failed on that field and excelled on the other field (dry stages).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Evans slowness then speed:

Perhaps his tyre issues on the Friday, especially the morning, were due to his off into Ogier's ditch. He really struggled and scrambled out himself whereas Ogier waited for fan help. Perhaps this weakened/lost the studs and therefore his grip on the remaining stage/s..

His good times later on in the rally were on the Soft/ Supersofts, not studded. The other runners were also on similar (Michelin) tyres so his wins there were fair and square.

[Norm75]

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Meeke and Citroen but he finished only 2 stages before retiring setting 4-th and 3-rd fastest time and on Saturday he was slower than most of his rivals. He has some problems with the car also so you are maybe right that he was driving only to collect data, maybe my expectations were set very high as I was hoping he could probably fight for the win.



Sent from my X17 using Tapatalkyeh I had him down for the win too. Shame about the road incident that put him out of Sunday's running, anything Kris had in his pocket he would have shown it in the power stage, and his road position would have put him in front of Neuville in the running order so would have earned 4 or 5 points with the weather change on that last stage.

[mknight]

Re Evans slowness then speed:

Perhaps his tyre issues on the Friday, especially the morning, were due to his off into Ogier's ditch. He really struggled and scrambled out himself whereas Ogier waited for fan help. Perhaps this weakened/lost the studs and therefore his grip on the remaining stage/s..

His good times later on in the rally were on the Soft/ Supersofts, not studded. The other runners were also on similar (Michelin) tyres so his wins there were fair and square.

His bad times were on studded. The other runners were also on similar (Michelin) tires, so his epic timeloss was fair and square.

#logic

Now again in even simpler language: If one tire type from DMACK can be much worse, then other can also be much better. Remember Pirelli? On dry tarmac 0.5s/km slower, on wet tarmac 1s/km faster.

[Rallyper]

But what about Bergkvist? He was very slow everytime a saw him pass. Did he had some problem with the car or something? I hope so otherwise I fear the guy is not the huge talent he seemed.


p.s. thank god Rallyper doesn't know where I live :spinhead:

And all experienced fellows on this forum should be aware of, as in other youngsters cases, that Emil was in Monaco to learn, to drive through, and finish. He wasn´t there to win this year. Compared to other favourites of yours he has maybe 3-4 times more to prove his speed in Monte.

Btw wait untill Sweden and we could see better performance, less learning.

@AL14 I know your mailbox. ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

I'm going to have to read through all the pages of this thread but in saying that...

My first Monte Carlo and boy was it an experience! The atmosphere, the new cars, the stages, the conditions and just the feeling of being there! Amazing. Shall share some images if you haven't seen them already.

[Sulland]

Btw wait untill Sweden and we could see better performance, less learning.

@AL14 I know your mailbox. ;)

Agreed, but the DS3 is way more difficult to set up and drive on both Snow/Ice and Gravel compared to the Ford and Skoda. So comparison of the drivers are harder with so different cars.
The 208 is slightly better on the loose, but a long way from the two topcars in R5.

[psychemedia]

Over the last couple of years I've practised my data wrangling and data visualisation skills by tinkering with F1 data, and only ever really watched the Wales Rally on a regular basis. Having noticed some regular coverage of WRC on Red Bull TV this year, I thought I'd give WRC data a go... Here's a first sketch - stage by stage results from RC1:

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Code to generate the sketch is here (https://blog.ouseful.info/2017/01/25/a-first-attempt-at-wrangling-wrc-world-rally-championship-data-with-pandas-and-matplotlib/).

[sete]

you can see my photos here
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1506

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJP1b4_cwlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pydpYhoDiEs

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqh8IBUtwoU

[stefanvv]

Sangriel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neVvM6iyHuU

[stefanvv]

Excellent video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idg0XVaK2s4

[Fast Eddie WRC]

His bad times were on studded. The other runners were also on similar (Michelin) tires, so his epic timeloss was fair and square.

#logic

Now again in even simpler language: If one tire type from DMACK can be much worse, then other can also be much better. Remember Pirelli? On dry tarmac 0.5s/km slower, on wet tarmac 1s/km faster.

I know his slow times were on studded tyres... but DMack studded tyres. Thats why he was so slow, not because he's a bad driver.

Once he was on their soft tyres on tarmac his times were good/ great.

We had the same situation with Tanak on DMack's last year. Whenever he was slow it was the tyres fault - nobody blamed him. So why blame Evans now ?

AUTOSPORT:
"Elfyn Evans spent Friday running among the WRC2 cars as the DMACK tyres struggled for grip on the ice.
But as conditions improved, the rubber came alive and three stage wins on Saturday allowed him back through to an eventual sixth place."

[dimviii]

Sangriel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neVvM6iyHuU


hahaha sanglieeeeeeeeeeerrr!!!


what does it means sanglier?

[TheFlyingTuga]

hahaha sanglieeeeeeeeeeerrr!!!


what does it means sanglier?

Word for boar in french language!!

[A FONDO]

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/601312e9b0bea00133012e4e85b1718e.jpg :D

[Mintexmemory]

Word for boar in french language!!

Specifically it is a 'Wild boar' in other words a savage unruly entity or as Ken Brock has termed it 'hoonigan'.

Every language has its equivalent term for an entertaining, usually sideways, type of driver.

[A FONDO]

R-cup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgknE63adnY

[Atob WRC]

Hello all!

Here I post our video from Monte! A lot of ambiance in Tourniquets, zone flat out at Faye and Lardier!

Best regards.

Hope you enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VUHXRuAD4

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/mcklein.de/

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[dimviii]

http://zupimages.net/up/17/04/ehgi.jpg
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[Bartek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qaj62Ci9g&list=PLVyRAt2cxbxtomaMsWLMlYj18zFrgs8iu&index=1 great video!

[AL14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qaj62Ci9g&list=PLVyRAt2cxbxtomaMsWLMlYj18zFrgs8iu&index=1 great video!

was about to link it. Very nice one

[GravelBen]

I know his slow times were on studded tyres... but DMack studded tyres. Thats why he was so slow, not because he's a bad driver.

Once he was on their soft tyres on tarmac his times were good/ great.

If you're blaming the slow times on the tyres performing worse than the competition then to be consistent you should credit his fast times with the tyres performing better than the competition. Otherwise its like trying to pull a heads-I-win/tails-you-lose coin toss, doesn't convince many people over the age of 5.

The reality is probably a combination of both tyres and driving, he's often been inconsistent in his speed in the past (sometimes blindingly fast, sometimes head-scratchingly slow) without really seeming to know why.

[Munkvy]

I was bored last evening and played around in a spreadsheet a bit and calculated the difference per kilometer compared to the stage winner for each stage separately. This removes stage length from the equation but to me it shows the "raw pace" on each stage. I also made an average of these differences and a ranking based on that. The average is less relevant to the "real time" classification because the pace on all stages has equal importance to the average regardless of length but I think it can show some things about the raw speed potential.

I removed the last stage from the average per rally because that was much affected by weather and I removed data that was affected by mechanical problems but not the driver mistakes. So here are some interesting things:

1. Evans had the best pace since SS9 on average. In real-time he was 0.2s slower than Ogier on all of the stages on Saturday but that's because Ogier had a smaller advantage over longer stages while Evans had a bigger advantage on shorter stages.
2. On SS12 the stage before he crashed Neuville had his slowest pace from all of the stages so far, by some margin. Maybe he started to backed off, relaxed and lost focus? In the post stage interview he said "I have the snow tyres this afternoon. This morning we were on slicks. It was the safe choice. We have a good lead, but we have to be clever." Maybe i'm over analyzing :P
3. Latvala was on average the 4th fastest, slightly faster than Sordo. He had 6 stages where he was under 0.5s/km slower than the winner and 4 more where he was under 1s/km slower. However, Meeke and Breen were not far behind, I'm pretty sure Meeke could have outpaced him and Breen was just 0.260s/km on average slower in a 2016 car.

I dunno, maybe it's a silly thing to look at but the results fit some of my intuition/feeling.

How can you use statistics to take into account the context behind the stage times though? Ie that everyone who was on Rally2 would be under instruction to finish the rest of the rally at all costs, so naturally their pace is going to be off when they Rally2 (see Juho and Kris as good examples)... And what about the difference in tyre choice vs the correct tyre choice? I don't think you can use data unless you add in the variables that impact the validity of the data...

[stefanvv]

If you're blaming the slow times on the tyres performing worse than the competition then to be consistent you should credit his fast times with the tyres performing better than the competition. Otherwise its like trying to pull a heads-I-win/tails-you-lose coin toss, doesn't convince many people over the age of 5.

The reality is probably a combination of both tyres and driving, he's often been inconsistent in his speed in the past (sometimes blindingly fast, sometimes head-scratchingly slow) without really seeming to know why.

I think he could have perform better on snow taking more risky driving style, but at the end he seemed to keep his clean driving which probably wasn't the best solution with his tyres.

[bluuford]

Onboar of Tänak for last couple of corners: https://www.facebook.com/WorldRally/videos/10154324412975678/
This video has already over 360 000 views!

[A FONDO]

He just slid on the last corner almost binning it while he was having pretty good margin to Sordo.

[N.O.T]

He just slid on the last corner almost binning it while he was having pretty good margin to Sordo.

he was running on 3 cylinders and also did not have any split info.

[GravelBen]

He just slid on the last corner almost binning it while he was having pretty good margin to Sordo.he was running on 3 cylinders and also did not have any split info.


For once I agree with NOT! :eek:

Tanak didn't know he had enough margin, the ~40s he lost to Sordo on the way up the hill probably felt like about 3 minutes and he wouldn't have known how much he was gaining or losing on the downhill - he might have known that Sordo was on much worse tyres for the snow/ice, but even if he knew that he wouldn't have known what the time difference was.

He did almost overcook it, but for all he knew the place was coming down to tenths of a second so he gave it everything.

[Vahula]

He just slid on the last corner almost binning it while he was having pretty good margin to Sordo.
I think he was sliding it as much as he could. He would lose traction but keep the RPM up. Running in 3 cylinders it would benefit alot from high RPM because you would have some much less torque. Also if Sordo had passed him, also Breen have had, so he would have been 5th. He was going for the 3rd place or nothing.

[bluuford]

I was just wondering that how much more downforce and traction new aerodynamics give. What was the speed by Sordo on the last corner and Tänak? Can anyone chech from WRC+? And then someone needs to calculate the downforce :P I remember that Ott was saying that new cars offer a possibility to make big caps if you are brave. So, basically, the faster you drive, the higher is downforce.

[SubaruNorway]

Onboar of Tänak for last couple of corners: https://www.facebook.com/WorldRally/videos/10154324412975678/
This video has already over 360 000 views!

You an half FB views since they count everyone who has autoplay on on scroll past

[Grundo Farb]

reading all these comments and conversations about Evans and Dmack makes me appreciate Tänak's 16 season even more.


for me the performance isnt weird at all, the tyre just isnt as universal as michelin.

Really? You should have said something last year about this...

Tanak talked in one of his end of stage talks about "the garbage I had last year". I think that is a bit harsh as in some conditions the DMACKS are better.

I wish Tanak all the best and enough about last year and the tyres. If anything the car let him down more.

[AL14]

Tanak talked in one of his end of stage talks about "the garbage I had last year".

When did he say that? Are you sure he was referring to DMACK?
If true it would be very unrespectful. I hope he is not that kind of guy.

[dimviii]

When did he say that? Are you sure he was referring to DMACK?
If true it would be very unrespectful. I hope he is not that kind of guy.

i am almost sure that I heard it too at one of his interviews,sounded very strange to me too,but forgot to discuss it here.

[stefanvv]

When did he say that? Are you sure he was referring to DMACK?
If true it would be very unrespectful. I hope he is not that kind of guy.

Yes, he said that. Me too presume it was about the tyres.

[Tarmop]

Well, if the comment was about RMC 2016, then it`s quite obvious to everyone and i don`t think that it`s disrespectful. They all know, that they didn`t have the correct tyre for asphalt and Monte, it was Tänak`s (and also DMacks) job to improve the tyre ans as we can see, it was much better this year.

[eib1]

I was just wondering that how much more downforce and traction new aerodynamics give. What was the speed by Sordo on the last corner and Tänak? Can anyone chech from WRC+? And then someone needs to calculate the downforce :P I remember that Ott was saying that new cars offer a possibility to make big caps if you are brave. So, basically, the faster you drive, the higher is downforce.

Sordo ~75 km/h
Ogier ~85 km/h
Tänak ~100+

[dimviii]

watch Evans and Barritt small clip at stage end after an astonishing drive
https://twitter.com/MSportLtd

[EstWRC]

Where did Tänak say it? I missed it too. Stage end or an interview?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If you're blaming the slow times on the tyres performing worse than the competition then to be consistent you should credit his fast times with the tyres performing better than the competition. Otherwise its like trying to pull a heads-I-win/tails-you-lose coin toss, doesn't convince many people over the age of 5.

The reality is probably a combination of both tyres and driving, he's often been inconsistent in his speed in the past (sometimes blindingly fast, sometimes head-scratchingly slow) without really seeming to know why.

Why only quote half of my post ? Maybe because the second part of it (including Tanak 2016 & Autosport quote) explained my argument...

[dimviii]

Where did Tänak say it? I missed it too. Stage end or an interview?

if I remember correct at stage end

[EstWRC]

if I remember correct at stage end

Must have been on Saturday then because I couldn't listen to radio then. Interestingly nothing about it in Estonian forum .

[seb_sh]

How can you use statistics to take into account the context behind the stage times though? Ie that everyone who was on Rally2 would be under instruction to finish the rest of the rally at all costs, so naturally their pace is going to be off when they Rally2 (see Juho and Kris as good examples)... And what about the difference in tyre choice vs the correct tyre choice? I don't think you can use data unless you add in the variables that impact the validity of the data...

I'm the first to say those statistics are not a complete picture; it's a tool that can add more info. How you interpret and combine that info with context is up to you.

For example: Latvala vs Meeke comparison of just pace is misleading but combining the difference with the knowledge Meeke was cruising can indicate that Meeke would have probably been faster.

So I'm not trying to make a system that can take into account many things and give some answers; It would be too complicated with weather, tyre choice, road order, how much a driver is attacking etc. but I did find it helpful in two ways:
1. Knowing some elements of context you can get some numbers that you can compare and get a better idea. For example in case of a different tyre choice you can compare two driver when they had same choice and different choice and see how much the choice was worth.
2. When the data is layed out in a table and you make a color coded scale you can sometimes spot "anomalies" that can lead you to investigate what happened there. For example you could notice a driver having different performance between days so you can then investigate, was it tyre choice, setup, road order...

Anyway don't want to make huge thing out of this, just a mini project I did for fun. :)

[stefanvv]

Must have been on Saturday then because I couldn't listen to radio then. Interestingly nothing about it in Estonian forum .

No, it wasn't stage end comment, I think it was an short interview of Day1 highlights on RedBull TV.

[car]

I heard it too... he was clearly referencing the tyres in comparison to what he has available this year.

[Allyc85]

My video from an epic trip to the Rallye Monte Carlo!

https://youtu.be/kyJnel6jcSc

[nafpaktos]

https://www.facebook.com/raceschannel/videos/1924553987766196/?pnref=story

can someone tell me whtat seb says at 0.30????????????

[EstWRC]

I heard it too... he was clearly referencing the tyres in comparison to what he has available this year.

What he said then? The tires are shit compared to michelins?

I'll try to find it :) it doessnt sound like him

[stefanvv]

What he said then? The tires are shit compared to michelins?

I'll try to find it :) it doessnt sound like him

Here it is @ 19:30 - https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11/fia-world-rally-championship

[dimviii]

Here it is @ 19:30 - https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11/fia-world-rally-championship

nota proper way for somebody who offered you a wrc drive when Malcolm threw you away.

[Tarmop]

Welll....
1. He was talking about RMC 2016 vs RMC 2017, not the whole season.
1. He is not a native English speaker. (I`m also not)
2. He didn`t mention the tires, who knows what he ACTUALLY wanted to say. (Point 2)
3.Still i think no one was offended, that undeveloped tyre was faaaaar behind Michelin.


A few days back Latvala had the same "language-barrier" and the media translated it differently.

[stefanvv]

nota proper way for somebody who offered you a wrc drive when Malcolm through you away.

Totally agree, very disrespectful.

[stefanvv]

2. He didn`t mention the tires, who knows what he ACTUALLY wanted to say. (Point 1)

If it wasn't the tyres the other option is the WRC cars themselves, even worse.

[cali]

Oh c'mon, I just watched the interwiev again. He basically says that the new car is a big step forward from last year's car. That's what he meant and that's what he said, if someone can come up with some other conclusion about this interview is quite delusional.

[SubaruNorway]

Here it is @ 19:30 - https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11/fia-world-rally-championship

When does he say anything about the tyres? He's comparing the 16' car to the 17' car performance wise

[cali]

When does he say anything about the tyres? He's comparing the 16' car to the 17' car performance wise
Exactly, where do the folks come up with such stuff?

[stefanvv]

When does he say anything about the tyres? He's comparing the 16' car to the 17' car performance wise

In the same direction, he didn't said it is the car either, we can only guess. Since he mentioned only last year, not 2015....2012, the logical outcome is - tyres.

[cali]

In the same direction, he didn't said it is the car either, we can only guess.
Do you need a translation? Wheres N.O.T. when we need him... :D

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[stefanvv]

No I don't thank You.

[SubaruNorway]

In the same direction, he didn't said it is the car either, we can only guess. Since he mentioned only last year, not 2015....2012, the logical outcome is - tyres.

"The car is working quite nice, I'm quite enjoying, for me it's a big step from the car we had last year"

[Tarmop]

Maybe he ment his performance? Once again, he`s not a native speaker and if you are in a rush, in the middle of the rally, you have a journalist asking questions, who wants quick answers, then it`s quite possible that you sentence formulation isn`t very good.

[cali]

Maybe he ment his performance? Once again, he`s not a native speaker and if you are in a rush, in the middle of the rally, you have a journalist asking questions, who wants quick answers, then it`s quite possible that you sentence formulation isn`t very good.
It's quite clear what he meant (read SubaruNorway's post again).

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[dimviii]

guys are you kidding? the word garbage what was for?

Meeke crash from another angle
https://youtu.be/S0jDxluRdco

[Tarmop]

Welll, yeah, can`t agree or disagree. What ever, let it be.

[stefanvv]

"The car is working quite nice, I'm quite enjoying, for me it's a big step from the car we had last year"

So You believe he is calling the previous generation of WRC cars "garbage". Nice, very nice.

[cali]

guys are you kidding? the word garbage what was for?

Meeke crash from another angle
https://youtu.be/S0jDxluRdco

Are you talking about the same interview @ 19:30?
https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11/fia-world-rally-championship

My ears cannot hear word "garbage" in this interview. Maybe it's just me, but some folks need to come up with some fuss to keep themselves entertained.

[stefanvv]

Are you talking about the same interview @ 19:30?
https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11/fia-world-rally-championship

My ears cannot hear word "garbage" in this interview. Maybe it's just me, but some folks need to come up with some fuss to keep themselves entertained.

What word do You hear? "Car badge"? This is getting better and better.

[Tarmop]

Haaah, Yes:D:D very similar to "garbage", but when you listen to it with headphones, it`s just the accent/pronounciation and the actual sentence is" a big step from the CAR WHICH we had last year"

[dimviii]

Are you talking about the same interview @ 19:30?
https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GQNEN1W11/fia-world-rally-championship

My ears cannot hear word "garbage" in this interview. Maybe it's just me, but some folks need to come up with some fuss to keep themselves entertained.

''for me its a big step from the garbage we had last year''

[cali]

What word do You hear? "Car badge"? This is getting better and better.
From the car WHICH we had last year. What is wrong with you????

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[cali]

''for me its a big step from the garbage we had last year''
Dim, you are one of the best and aknowledgeable posters here and my all respect goes to you but... Are you serious??

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[dimviii]

Dim, you are one of the best and aknowledgeable posters here and my all respect goes to you but... Are you serious??

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I played some decades of times,and maybe he didn't said ''garbage'' but ''car which we had last year''
I was wrong guys,sorry.

[onemanband]

I played some decades of times,and maybe he didn't said ''garbage'' but ''car which we had last year''


Idk if it is because of the accent is more familiar to me but it sounds that he says "which" VERY clearly.

[SubaruNorway]

So You believe he is calling the previous generation of WRC cars "garbage". Nice, very nice.


:rotflmao: I give up.

[stefanvv]

:rotflmao: I give up.

You're sure You hear exactly what You wrote? Do You need the quote?

[stefanvv]

From the car WHICH we had last year. What is wrong with you????

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I was in little bit of shock too to hear that, didn't expected it. Rest my case.

[cali]

I was in little bit of shock too to hear that, didn't expected it. Rest my case.
There's no case for you to rest

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[Tarmop]

stefanvv, listen carefully and you`ll be amazed (like myself and dimviii eventually).

[seb_sh]

I think the excitement of Monte was too much for some of us, let's have some rest, Sweden is only two weeks away! ;)

[stefanvv]

There's no case for you to rest

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wow, just wanted to help. Now I'm sorry for it. I didn't brought it up, and hadn't intention to.

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1425-0-69111600-1485464274.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1425-0-51421600-1485464194.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1425-0-99319900-1485464170.jpg

[EightGear]

Are we discussing a word said by a driver now? This is not an F1 forum guys. :D

[Mintexmemory]

we're discussing what a Greek thought he heard an Estonian say in English - send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance! (#famous mis-heard WW1 order)

[dimviii]

pushing till the end
https://youtu.be/J7CPrmPmyFE

[stefanvv]

pushing till the end
https://youtu.be/J7CPrmPmyFE

That's barely the beginning of the end.

[EstWRC]

Just got to watch that clip now and how on earth you guys heard garbage there is just beyond me? Wow

[smsgrafica]

Meeke crash from another angle
https://youtu.be/S0jDxluRdco

Look at the rocks flying all over the place!

[dupanton]

Just got to watch that clip now and how on earth you guys heard garbage there is just beyond me? Wow

First time I listened to it, after reading the comments here, I heard garbage too :o Now I clearly here "car which".
I guess the brain lets your hear what you want to hear...

[Mintexmemory]

First time I listened to it, after reading the comments here, I heard garbage too :o Now I clearly here "car which".
I guess the brain lets your hear what you want to hear...

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest (la la la la la la la la la la la)"
The Boxer - Paul Simon

[A FONDO]

tula https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2b8peH3Hbs
Kev 73 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MuD9M_uxzk

[A FONDO]

MAXICORDE 1 & 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRNV8QsU5Rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udJJAwMYex0

[A FONDO]

Long video with very nice places not popular in other videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIS7LK3GGZo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Top Gear gallery:

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/gallery-monte-carlo-rally-and-its-epic-scenery#1

[Allyc85]

Finally uploaded my pictures today.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/326/32567856335_3ee23b159b_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RBUM3p)WRC Rallye Monte Carlo 2017 (https://flic.kr/p/RBUM3p) by Alastair Cummins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/640/32188876680_9050bc5e33_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/R3qpAq)WRC Rallye Monte Carlo 2017 (https://flic.kr/p/R3qpAq) by Alastair Cummins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/394/32369698472_82b2d8ec13_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RjpaBw)WRC Rallye Monte Carlo 2017 (https://flic.kr/p/RjpaBw) by Alastair Cummins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/), on Flickr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/albums/72157679477920886

[dimviii]

Bunnings video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKgYnuP1-g&feature=youtu.be

[N.O.T]

Bunnings video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKgYnuP1-g&feature=youtu.be

finally some proper spots to see who is who.

[dimviii]

finally some proper spots to see who is who.

yeap Bunnings almost always done proper videos.
These spots at his video we have seen plenty times,but he choosed different angles,and the result is much better in terms of showing the speed.Pitty that its playing a bit faster.


edit Meeke at plenty of times on various videos,was chickened at fast sessions,with many brakes,where others was flat out.

[denkimi]

finally some proper spots to see who is who.
if only the didn't mixed up the different spots. seeing one after the other in the same place would make it a lot easier to compare.

[dimviii]

if only the didn't mixed up the different spots. seeing one after the other in the same place would make it a lot easier to compare.

yeap,pitty that very few choose this way.Its easier to compare.

[Ucci]

Bunnings video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKgYnuP1-g&feature=youtu.be

Stunning!

[BigWorm]

Bunnings video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKgYnuP1-g&feature=youtu.be

Enjoyed that. It really caught the feeling of how fast they really are.

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsM9K6499Ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1omU-z0dzE

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1omU-z0dzE

fast forward playing useless video.

[A FONDO]

fast forward playing useless video.

But not the whole video, only a few of the passes, which is even more weird.

[dimviii]

didn't watched all the video,as I saw that is faster than normal I stopped it.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2017/rar_rroguski043.jpg

[tommeke_B]

Is this one of the useless sick dogs NOT is always talking about?

[A FONDO]

AD Racing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2hJ6Y99Fmg nice one with low positioned camera (where possible), giving a whole new view of the cars and feel of their movements
mk2 if someone hasn't watched it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4I6YklEB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgjovAfZWn0 lovely ice to dry secrion, unfortunately shuffled with others

[GravelBen]

Is this one of the useless sick dogs NOT is always talking about?

Looks pretty healthy to me!

[rayh_mx]

System security, Activated? :dog:

[A FONDO]

Full stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ8juAJ8qVU and some others in his channel

[sanglier usapiste]

Hello here are some videos that I could make on the last Monté-Carlo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJi-mzWeUpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=581KDUt5nWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo

[N.O.T]

Hello here are some videos that I could make on the last Monté-Carlo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJi-mzWeUpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=581KDUt5nWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo

Amazing spots, well done son !!!!!!!!!

How early did you wake up to visit those ?

[sanglier usapiste]

Amazing spots, well done son !!!!!!!!!

How early did you wake up to visit those ?


Because I did not know your forum until now. If you like my videos here is my facebook page, do not hesitate to go there, love and share

https://www.facebook.com/Sanglierusapiste

[sanglier usapiste]

voici la jolie porsche de romain dumas :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7RxArhkT4

[N.O.T]

I really like the cover photo of your facebook page.

[sanglier usapiste]

I really like the cover photo of your facebook page.


Thank you all the photos are from my ideas. I will add another

[EightGear]

*Grabs popcorn*

[N.O.T]

i actually like the innocence in this one, i might spare him for now... maybe.

[Rallyper]

i actually like the innocence in this one, i might spare him for now... maybe.

Yes, pls do. At least for a couple of rounds. :)

[sanglier usapiste]

Yes, pls do. At least for a couple of rounds. :)


I do not understand, it's irony ??

[dupanton]

I do not understand, it's irony ??

Of course it is. Stop spamming stupid videos of boring hairpins.

Sorry guys, couldn't stand it

[sanglier usapiste]

Of course it is. Stop spamming stupid videos of boring hairpins.

Sorry guys, couldn't stand it

ok sorry

[itix]

ok sorry

Don't be sorry and don't listen to the forum retards. Enjoy rallying wherever you want, hairpin or no. Shoot video or don't. Let them be rally elitist retards and think what they want, not all people are the same.

[Rallyper]

I do not understand, it's irony ??

Your vids were fine. But there are some guys being excited only when pics or vids are made in the most professional way neither of us ordinary humans can make. So keep up the good work, try to find places where moments can occur. Most important you are happy with yourself.

[SubaruNorway]

I do not understand, it's irony ??

They even hated on one of my video' so they are pretty hard to please, but you have to start somewhere.

Check out motorsportfilmer.net if you want to see what looks good on video, the faster the better usually :)

[itix]

They even hated on one of my video' so they are pretty hard to please, but you have to start somewhere.

Check out motorsportfilmer.net if you want to see what looks good on video, the faster the better usually :)

Maybe he does not want to become a professional rally videographer? Maybe he just wants to enjoy rally the way he likes and document it... maybe share it for like minded. I know you didn't mean it in any other way so I took the liberty to clarify it on your behalf ;)

[rayh_mx]

And in the end you can say, I was there (and may be) you didn't

[sanglier usapiste]

[QUOTE=sanglier usapiste;1124195]Hello here are some videos that I could make on the last Monté-Carlo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJi-mzWeUpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=581KDUt5nWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo[/QUOTE

To follow up my videos which had a mixed reception here this one. Is what his naivety will please lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_r17k9-Qo

[GigiGalliNo1]

On the Eve of Rally Sweden, I've finally come around to writing about my first experience of Rally Monte Carlo!!

Flying from Australia to Nice, then a 3.5 hour drive up to Gap, arriving at 10pm in -10 degrees was a surprise! Waking up the next morning at my B&B, at the base of the Alps and snow around it was a great first morning. Headed out to a few SSS's that morning. The first full of snow and ice. It were if I was watching an on-board camera from snow filled Monte stages on tv, but in real life... and driving slower :P

Media pick-up at the service park, an odd shaped and situated service park might I add. Ford gladly being open and everyone else closed! Toyota's building was still being constructed.. Farm machinery was being used.. sorry a Saw, sawing off wood from the building.. It seemed not to be built like Hyundai's towers of steel but Finnish wood :D

More recce of stages the coming day, and finally hit Monaco for the season launch. The cars grouped together in-front of the Casino in the square. Wow. Close up the the cars, the spoilers, the body kits even the sound! That night the podium start, I photographed from above, a roof top overlooking the whole site. It was nostalgic. As I was assigned to the podium I was unable to photograph SS1 & 2 so headed back to Gap for dinner and prepare for a full day. I forgot the shakedown didn't I! Shakedown was great, many NO PUBLIC signs which was a pain even for media but I know spectators got some great points in which I too photographed from. The shakedown going into the evening was excellent too. Snowy fields, slipper tarmac and the marshalls were good. Gendarmerie were good too. A good start.

Day 1 proper, now my memory is going blank... I experienced a stage where around 200 fans lines the banks of a corner, a slow corner in fact. Ogier was heard in the distance. Perfect, first car I was ready. 5 seconds until he slide into the snow filled, slippery corner fans rushed to the road side. Flares in hand. Swap of camera with a wider lens and I killed that photo. The whole 75 meters of the stage from the corner to where more fans stood, including Planet Marcus who didn't even introduce himself! (!) :D The true Monte Carlo feeling with cheering, flare, camp fires, some excited drunk French people who were surprised to see an Australia in the freezing -5 temps!! That morning was the best. After SS4 I ended up at SS7, rude Italian spectators throwing fire crackers at my colleague. After capturing the WRC cars and some WRC2's I headed back to the car. I slipped on the snow and ice and got a roar. As always even in Australia this happens... but those Italians decided to throw food at me whilst I walked back with an injured knee. Wonderful huh? I later found out my colleague too had food/fruit thrown at him. Great! But capturing some great images I was again happy to be in Monte!

I did celebrate my birthday on the 20th of Jan, I planned it finally for a Rally Monte Carlo to be on the same date! Couldn't have asked for anything more. I can't remember any more stages off the top of my head, but on the final day - the Gendarmerie certainly ruined it for us! In typical fashion - no access. Of course we have access! We can even drive the stages 90 mins before the close, before the gravel crews go through. We needed to get to the end of the stage, and walk in. Easy. Drive to the end of the stage was a long way around! We had two hours to spare in doing this (driving through the stage) but no.. we finally go passed the Gendarmerie but was 5 mins lens to drive the stage... crap. We could have going to the Power Stage but of course, it would mess up the timing in getting back to Monaco for the re-group and podium. Off to Monaco!!! I did watch the Power Stage live at Stars N Bars with Meeke and colleague. Great to see new coverage and a return of M-Sport winning!

Seeing Ogier come back into re-group, having the M-Sport team waiting to see the drivers, Malcolm too. It was undesirable. Capturing the excitement too! Podium on the Palace grounds.. that bloody climb up the hill haha, did I mention I caught the cold from being in cold temps? Compared to Australia, it was a warm 30-35 degrees! Podium, champagne and rain of course!!

The C3 WRC was a beast to photograph, the shape and it's looks were a highlight. My fav WRCar for 2017. M-Sport winning and the team moral. The team just needed a strong driver! Toyota was thought to be a joke, but once they hit those stages, JML was a sight to watch. Hyundai - what can I say - a few of us wish they would have changed their livery... the team used a few of last years images during the rally on social media... we thought how did they get pics so fast, to only realise it was the 2016 car... with the same livery! Didn't do anything for me..

Will I go back to Rally Monte Carlo again? You bet!!! Gendarmerie issue on the final day was a let down but when you look at the event as a whole, I love it. The most nostalgic feeling of my career and I wouldn't have change it for anything.. except of course leaving earlier on Sunday!

Onto the next, Mexico!

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