Rally Wrc Monte Carlo 2017

[A FONDO]

And I can't wait to hear first-hand impressions. Don't forget us!

[bluuford]

So, next 48 hours will be heavy snowfall around Monte stages. Some locations might get as much as half meter of snow (mountains over 1 km elevation). Initial forecats was quite good, -15..-20 in the mountains, early mornings is likely. But it will be mostly calm and without additional snowfall. Fog is likeley in many locations. So, how many problems we have with low temperatures with new cars?

[AL14]

Near start PS3 now:

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[dimviii]

Gap park service

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[dimviii]

Delecour

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[pantealex]

Gap park service



Most interesting pic is missing: TOYOTA, those others we have seen before

[dimviii]

Most interesting pic is missing: TOYOTA, those others we have seen before

1st photo is hyundais before final construction?

[Barreis]

why does hyundai need that big motorhome?! probably because of marketing power. they could run 4th car on some events for the expense of giant motorhome through the season

[sete]

1st photo would be Toyota.Hyundai is 3rd pic

[seb_sh]

why does hyundai need that big motorhome?! probably because of marketing power. they could run 4th car on some events for the expense of giant motorhome through the season

They did run a 4th car on some events last year and probably Abbring's R5 car will also be serviced there.

[pantealex]

1st photo would be Toyota.Hyundai is 3rd pic

Truck+trailer in 1st pic is from that company that Hyundai uses but maybe they use "house" from same company, structure looks same as Hyundai´s house.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport's little service tents are a symbol of the financial difference between them and the factory teams. But people still expect them to compete and criticise if they dont.

[rallyfiend]

M-Sport's little service tents are a symbol of the financial difference between them and the factory teams. But people still expect them to compete and criticise if they dont.

One of the best posts recently.

Or, lets hope it's because all money has gone to the car....

[dimviii]

M-Sport's little service tents are a symbol of the financial difference between them and the factory teams. But people still expect them to compete and criticise if they dont.

lol

[Mirek]

M-Sport's little service tents are a symbol of the financial difference between them and the factory teams. But people still expect them to compete and criticise if they dont.

Have You realized that M-Sport isn't a carmaker, doesn't sell anything to the general public and therefore doesn't need all that marketing stuff which the carmakers need for promoting their products?

[stefanvv]

Have You realized that M-Sport isn't a carmaker, doesn't sell anything to the general public and therefore doesn't need all that marketing stuff which the carmakers need for promoting their products?

That's what he said - M-Sport aren't manufacturer.

[Mirek]

No, he didn't.

[stefanvv]

Have You realized that M-Sport isn't a carmaker, doesn't sell anything to the general public and therefore doesn't need all that marketing stuff which the carmakers need for promoting their products?

And btw M-Sport actually sell stuff to the general public.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Twice this week reference has been made ( by Wilson & Vatanen) to the risk/difficulty M-Sport has taken to get Ogier. Thats where their money is going...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Have You realized that M-Sport isn't a carmaker, doesn't sell anything to the general public and therefore doesn't need all that marketing stuff which the carmakers need for promoting their products?

The huge service buildings are for marketing ? I think they are for the team to make their jobs easier and more professional. And who of the public sees them, none just some rally fans..

[stefanvv]

The huge service buildings are for marketing ? I think they are for the team to make their jobs easier and more professional. And who of the public sees them, none just some rally fans..

I have a question for You - how much more easier and professional is for Citroen team to make their work in their tents (or whatever that is) than M-Sport ones?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I have a question for You - how much more easier and professional is for Citroen team to make their work in their tents (or whatever that is) than M-Sport ones?

And I have one for you... how does it help Hyundai to market their cars ?

They dont even let the general rally fans in their massive service building.

[stefanvv]

And I have one for you... how does it help Hyundai to market their cars ?

How should I know, I'm not marketing expert.


They dont even let the general rally fans in their massive service building.

Don't know about that either, but there is massive crowd in their "supermarket" at times, don't know who these people are, and don't care at all.

Still waiting for an answer to my question about the professional work anyway. What difference does it make the form of the building job to be professional?

[bluuford]

The huge service buildings are for marketing ? I think they are for the team to make their jobs easier and more professional. And who of the public sees them, none just some rally fans..

Yes, big manufacturer teams invite their dealers from Rally country and neighbouring countries, offering them VIP packages and this all gives additional value for VIP package. With cold weather you can have opposite effect with such a building. In the tents you have always colder and climate is more similar to the oustide and it is bit harder to work for people. In such a service building, you tend to have warmer climate and every time you change the climate for your car rapidly, you risk that something might go wrong. Have you used photo camera? When it is really cold outside and you come rapidly inside, to a warm room, the lense or class will be misted, same can happen going outside. Imagine that the car with its thousands of components is like a big camera and you have huge number of places where you might have undesired results of such a rapid temperature change. So, working outside might have advantage :)

[stefanvv]

Yes, big manufacturer teams invite their dealers from Rally country and neighbouring countries, offering them VIP packages and this all gives additional value for VIP package. With cold weather you can have opposite effect with such a building. In the tents you have always colder and climate is more similar to the oustide and it is bit harder to work for people. In such a service building, you tend to have warmer climate and every time you change the climate for your car rapidly, you risk that something might go wrong. Have you used photo camera? When it is really cold outside and you come rapidly inside, to a warm room, the lense or class will be misted, same can happen going outside. Imagine that the car with its thousands of components is like a big camera and you have huge number of places where you might have undesired results of such a rapid temperature change. So, working outside might have advantage :)

Aren't the tents well heated as well?

[stefanvv]

Still waiting for an answer to my question about the professional work anyway. What difference does it make the form of the building job to be professional?


The huge service buildings are for marketing ? I think they are for the team to make their jobs easier and more professional. And who of the public sees them, none just some rally fans..

I'll give an example to make You easy - the bees - they make hives in tree hollows, tree stumps, human made square boxes, whatever they find, still their product the honey has the same taste, smell and color, depending solely on the pasture. If You agree humans are lower than bees, I can also agree with that.

[PLuto]

why does hyundai need that big motorhome?! probably because of marketing power. they could run 4th car on some events for the expense of giant motorhome through the season

Hyundai has so big hangar mainly because Volkswagen had it too...

[dodge33cymru]

And I have one for you... how does it help Hyundai to market their cars ?

They dont even let the general rally fans in their massive service building.
So much motorsport these days is marketing to their corporate clients, not just people turning up to watch. That's their #1 audience now, especially on location. They'll invite all local dealers and they bring their guests. That building is perfect for housing them in a privileged position (on the second floor).

It's the same at most circuit racing, where many of the best spots get taken up by manufacturers' corporate hospitality units (I'm looking at you, Porsche, who keep blocking Eau Rouge at Spa 24, and whoever has nabbed the Ford chicane entrance at Le Mans).

I'm not a fan of Hyundai's building, but that's just because seeing the team working in air conditioned 'luxury' doesn't feel right, but I spend most service park time with the other classes, who still have to work to a proper clock in old-school conditions.

[bluuford]

Aren't the tents well heated as well?
Yes, but there is quite big difference. Tents always cool town quickly when car enters and then warms up slowly, which is good. You cannot achieve it with building.

[Simmi]

The huge service buildings are for marketing ? I think they are for the team to make their jobs easier and more professional. And who of the public sees them, none just some rally fans..

How are the people eating and drinking from the free bar on the second floor of Hyundai making it easier for the team to do their jobs during service?

In that moment they aren't - but as others have said these VIPs, dealers, sponsors are all key to Hyundai getting the budget to do the WRC, and being able to afford to build that service park. And that big structure for Hyundai was something they could immediately claim to be the best in the WRC at.

Sadly it's why we are largely stuck with one service park and cloverleaf formats. Teams need a central hub they can host people. And the level of VIP experience you can provide does often have a direct impact on what sponsors you can get. Because you are effectively competing with all sporting events. In the rally bubble, certainly that's where WRX trounces the WRC because any corporate clients can be hosted metres from the actual racing action.

[A FONDO]

Citroen
Kris Meeke: Derek Brannigan/Stephen Whitford,
Stéphane Lefebvre: Alexandre Bengué/Thomas Chauffray,
Craig Breen: Mikko Hirvonen

Hyundai
Thierry Neuville: Bruno Thiry/Julian Vial,
Dani Sordo: Enrique Garcia Ojeda/Pablo Marcos
Hayden Paddon: Brendan Reeves/Seb Marshall

M-Sport
Sebastien Ogier: Simon Jean-Joseph/Jack Boyere,
Ott Tanak: Martin Kangur/Kuldar Sikk,
Elfyn Evans: Gwyndaf Evans/Phil Mills
Eric Camilli: Franck Lions/ Christopher Guieu

Toyota
Jari-Matti Latvala: Toni Gardemeister/Panu Honkanen,
Juho Hanninen: Jouni Ampuja/Mikko Heikkilä


- Martin Holmes

[Simmi]

Hayden Paddon: Brendan Reeves/Seb Marshall


Maybe another sign Seb could be the long-term replacement for John Kennard? Awesome if so.

[EstWRC]

They also tested again this week

[pantealex]

M-Sport

Eric Camilli: Franck Lions/ Christopher Guieu



- Martin Holmes

I believe that Camiili is not allowed to have "gravel crew" ?

[EightGear]

Maybe another sign Seb could be the long-term replacement for John Kennard? Awesome if so.
Yes I think so too.

[dupanton]

I believe that Camiili is not allowed to have "gravel crew" ?

Why not? Every crew can have one, if I'm not mistaken.

[rage82]

I believe that Camiili is not allowed to have "gravel crew" ?
In Monte Carlo every crew can have a gravel crew. At least it was the case last time we were there in 2012. It's a bit strange as the rules said that only WRC drivers can have a route note car but in this case I think it's ACM that allows everybody to use them

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[itix]

And I have one for you... how does it help Hyundai to market their cars ?

They dont even let the general rally fans in their massive service building.
Yes they do... I have been in it.

[electroliquid]

Why not? Every crew can have one, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes all can have it. #90 Jocius/Zvicevčius gravel crew Lithuania champion R.Čapkauskas and Jocius' former codriver K.Torrau.

[itix]

Yes, but there is quite big difference. Tents always cool town quickly when car enters and then warms up slowly, which is good. You cannot achieve it with building.
I wouldn't be too worried about that aspect. After all, these are cars made to go though water splashes, mud, dust, snow etc.

The small amount of condensated water is nothing to worry about.

Neither is the tiny thermal expansion this brings. The Hyundai and VW cars are testament to this.

[EstWRC]

Toyota targets getting "good mileage" in Monte Carlo

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/toyota-targets-getting-good-mileage-in-monte-carlo-865282/

[EightGear]

Kevin Abbring 'testing' with his stand-in codriver on a simulator, which I believe he has developed himself.


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[Andre Oliveira]

Bryan Bouffier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFVz813FlTk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes they do... I have been in it.

Not at Rally GB the times I've been to the SP.

All the other teams are open and the drivers came out to meet the fans ( even VW).

But the Hyundai block was closed up taking invited guests only. Never even saw their drivers.

And if that building is for 'marketing', why do they have a totally separate display of their road cars and other stuff...

[dimviii]

Unfortunately, the Monte Carlo Rally loses a star. The Roman rider Max Rendina, writing with during a test took place in the morning in Cuneo (Madonna del Colletto), Skoda Fabia R5 in WRC2, he is involved in an accident and will miss the race of the principality.
Max we are sorry, tell us what happened?
"I was in a fast section, downhill, ice, I went outside on an embankment. The car after taking the embankment capsized on its side. Damage to the machine are limited but unfortunately I have a dislocated shoulder that I will skip the first round of the WRC. "
Max must therefore recover this race valid for the WRC2 and has yet to plan how to do that.
"Since we required the Tour de Corse there are difficulties to be able to do both Mexico that running the race, we will decide at a later time, past the anger of what happened."
-Coma're Now physically?
"The problem of dislocation I will skip the Monte Carlo, now I also have swollen hand, but it will soon. Apart from the moral'm good enough. "
And wished speedy recovery to Max, we will follow both in WRC2 championship both for the organization of the Rally of Rome, valid this year as a European championship.

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https://www.rally.it/2017/01/niente-montecarlo-max-rendina

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What's the weather forecast for next week... seems plenty of snow about at the recent tests..

[Andre Oliveira]

Gravel Crews

Citroen
Kris Meeke: Derek Brannigan/Stephen Whitford, Stéphane Lefebvre: Alexandre Bengué/Thomas Chauffray, Craig Breen: Mikko Hirvonen

Hyundai
Thierry Neuville: Bruno Thiry/Julian Vial, Dani Sordo: Enrique Garcia Ojeda/Pablo Marcos and Hayden Paddon: Brendan Reeves/Seb Marshall

M-Sport
Sebastien Ogier: Simon Jean-Joseph/Jack Boyere, Ott Tanak: Martin Kangur/Kuldar Sikk, Elfyn Evans: Gwyndaf Evans/Phil Mills and Eric Camilli: Franck Lions/ Christopher Guieu

Toyota
Jari-Matti Latvala: Toni Gardemeister/Panu Honkanen, Juho Hanninen: Jouni Ampuja/Mikko Heikkilä


- Martin Holmes

[itix]

Not at Rally GB the times I've been to the SP.

All the other teams are open and the drivers came out to meet the fans ( even VW).

But the Hyundai block was closed up taking invited guests only. Never even saw their drivers.

And if that building is for 'marketing', why do they have a totally separate display of their road cars and other stuff...
Where I was last at the service park (Germany last year) it was open to the public and they had marketing of their road cars just next to the building (opposite of the "road" for returning or outbound rally cars). It was the same setup as for VW, but the VW service center was closed but for a few invited fans, like you described Hyundai.

[Allyc85]

What's the weather forecast for next week... seems plenty of snow about at the recent tests..

Where we are staying just west of Gap, there is no snow forecast after the Monday before the rally. The temperature also won't go above freezing though!

[bluuford]

What's the weather forecast for next week... seems plenty of snow about at the recent tests..

Very cold nights till Thursday (-12..-16 on the stages) a few minus degrees during days.. sarting from Friday, a few pluss degrees in sunshine, and minus in shade So, a lot of snow around, that means a lot of black ice when daily melting water freezes.. proper Monte. No hope for additional snow right now, but snow is there already. I expect they clean larger roads and smaller ones will be very slippery and snowy and cuts and spectators pulling snow on the road. So, first on the road should be the place to be ;)

[kirungi okwogera]

Bryan Bouffier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFVz813FlTk

61 years and Denis is still doing it! What's 55-yo John Kennard thinking of retiring for?

Also does that mean no Dumas Porsche 911 this year?

[dimviii]

Also does that mean no Dumas Porsche 911 this year?

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[N.O.T]

Very cold nights till Thursday (-12..-16 on the stages) a few minus degrees during days.. sarting from Friday, a few pluss degrees in sunshine, and minus in shade So, a lot of snow around, that means a lot of black ice when daily melting water freezes.. proper Monte. No hope for additional snow right now, but snow is there already. I expect they clean larger roads and smaller ones will be very slippery and snowy and cuts and spectators pulling snow on the road. So, first on the road should be the place to be ;)

first on the road also means that you are the first to encounter the black ice without any notice...

[bluuford]

first on the road also means that you are the first to encounter the black ice without any notice...
Gravel crew should notice it ;) But there is noone noticing when first driver cuts corners and drags fresh snow on pure asphalt

[AndyRAC]

What's the weather forecast for next week... seems plenty of snow about at the recent tests..

http://www.accuweather.com/en/fr/gap/136436/daily-weather-forecast/136436?day=5

[dimviii]

STÉPHANE LEFEBVRE
"Little by little, I become aware of the approaching deadline. What we were talking about in the future now combines with the present! Every day, we exchange a lot with the engineers, about every detail related to my car. Nothing is left to chance and it is really fascinating to be at the heart of this official team. For this first rally with this status, I will aim to play placed and score a maximum of points for Citroën. I think I still have a running deficit with the C3 WRC and I do not want to burn the stages. I must first take the measure of the car in race conditions before fetching the limit. I think we are all in the same situation, with a lot of unknown in all areas. "

CRAIG BREEN
"I will probably be the driver with the least pressure this weekend! I am satisfied to start my season at the wheel of an old car, because I do not have much experience at Monte Carlo. This participation will give me the opportunity to learn this rally. It will also be an opportunity to see the gap between the two generations of World Rally Cars. My priority is to accumulate miles, but I will also be satisfied if I manage to score a few points. Perhaps they will be useful at the end of the season. "

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can I ask - the route from Nice to Gap from the airport, good highways? Easy navigation and not much bad weather meaning no ice on roads or snow? Closer to Gap maybe... I will be driving between 6pm and 10pm arriving in Gap on Tuesday... wish me luck!

[CWJ]

Take direct A8 D3 A51 at this time.

There is nothing to see at night at N85 N202 and you will drive back that road most likely.

[Allyc85]

Can I ask - the route from Nice to Gap from the airport, good highways? Easy navigation and not much bad weather meaning no ice on roads or snow? Closer to Gap maybe... I will be driving between 6pm and 10pm arriving in Gap on Tuesday... wish me luck!

We will be travelling around an hour behind you :) These are the options with prices for tolls etc..

https://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Routes?departure=A%C3%A9roport%20de%20Nice-C%C3%B4te%20d%27Azur%2C%2006000%20Nice&arrival=Rue%20de%20France%2C%2005000%20Gap&index=0&vehicle=0&type=0&distance=km&currency=EUR&highway=false&toll=false&vignette=false&orc=false&crossing=true&caravan=false&car=hatchback&fuel=petrol&fuelCost=1.36&allowance=0&corridor=&departureDate=&arrivalDate=

[Fast Eddie WRC]

With Breen driving a '16 WRC it will be interesting to see how his times compare to the '17 cars...

[nafpaktos]

If a stage has not mixed conditions and the all the drivers select tarmac set-up then yes,otherwise NO.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

If a stage has not mixed conditions and the all the drivers select tarmac set-up then yes,otherwise NO.

I'm sure over the duration of the rally we can get some idea ...

[dodge33cymru]

I forget this every year; what's the road order for MC based on? Last year's Championship, numbering or seeding?

[rage82]

I forget this every year; what's the road order for MC based on? Last year's Championship, numbering or seeding?
Last year championship.

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[Andre Oliveira]

"For the first round of the Championship, the start order shall be that of the final classification of the previous year. The FIA shall decide the order of drivers who were not classified in the previous year."

[rallyfiend]

Last year's championship.

Ogier first, Sederidis probably last.

[dodge33cymru]

Cheers, hope Meeke stays patient on day one then, despite being seventh on the road.

[Andre Oliveira]

Kopecky with retro livery, pic by Loris Pascaud

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[dimviii]

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[EstWRC]

so they have upgraded their tents, nice...im also curious to see what recce cars they have

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2OL6itVQAADV-F.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

so they have upgraded their tents, nice...im also curious to see what recce cars they have

Pic by Loris Pascaud

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2OkebnW8AES0Ke.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2OkXKpW8AAIMHO.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

so it wasnt true then that they will have new recce cars....i cant remember which site wrote it at the end of the year

[Andre Oliveira]

The news was allways: Volvo at Monte-Carlo, new ones after.

[rallyfiend]

so they have upgraded their tents, nice...im also curious to see what recce cars they have

Don't think it's an upgrade. I think they've just gone down to the back garden shed and pulled this thing out of hiding:

http://www.wikiwand.com/nl/Ford_(rallysport)

[EstWRC]

yes but they had these past seasons

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfdrGQ_IYAAlG-i.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

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[jbmarcus21]

1st #photos from Service Gap Monte Carlo 2017 => http://bit.ly/2jdNzQm

[RS]

Kopecky with retro livery, pic by Loris Pascaud

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Skoda 'special' liveries are always so much better than the normal one.

[pucky54]

Skoda 'special' liveries are always so much better than the normal one.

...unfortunately not in this case ;)

[liposh]

pucky54: I am sorry Sir, but You are barbarian. :) This livery is part of history.

[pucky54]

pucky54: I am sorry Sir, but You are barbarian. :) This livery is part of history.

I know. It was looking good 40 years ago...but not on the recent car ;)

[danon]

pucky54: I am sorry Sir, but You are barbarian. :) This livery is part of history.

Yet... it does not make it more attractive.

[dimviii]

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[Simmi]

Anyone know why Gilbert ended up in a Fiesta instead of the i20? Was hoping to see a few more of the Hyundais this week.

[dimviii]

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2017-01-15-kris-aims-to-keep-focus-ahead-of-monte

[A FONDO]

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[Andre Oliveira]

Proper Monte-Carlo conditions

[tommeke_B]

That's on +- 1100m altitude. I guess there will be places with more snow, but also places without snow (on lower altitude, +- 800m), can anyone confirm? How would the weather change the upcoming week? :) Going to watch the thursday, friday and saturday stages.

[dupanton]

Anyone know why Gilbert ended up in a Fiesta instead of the i20? Was hoping to see a few more of the Hyundais this week.

On his websites he says: "one of our partners wanted us to be in a Ford". Het is going to drive a Fiesta R5 Evo from D-Max

[mousti]

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[chris_bakelas]

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[Sulland]

Skoda 'special' liveries are always so much better than the normal one.

1171

From the 130 RS

But this one is for me the classic one

1172

[dimviii]

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[Barreis]

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will it Finnish first day?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2017-01-15-kris-aims-to-keep-focus-ahead-of-monte

Meeke's last test area having only dry roads is a shame as there will be plenty of tricky ice & snow on the rally.

[Mirek]

1171

From the 130 RS

But this one is for me the classic one

1172

But that one has no significance for the 40th aniversary of their first start in Monte Carlo (three cars started in 1977 - Kvaizar, Blahna, Zapadlo; there were over 200 cars and Blahna finished 12th overal, Zapadlo 15th and Kvaizar retired)

[Rally Hokkaido]

will it Finnish first day?

It will mostly Finnish every day...until Tommi retires ;-)

[EstWRC]

Paddon and Tänak on recce

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114454_1606672776015517_1250072126286403495_n.jp g?oh=7c82636b0977168f6084518c5e57f48a&oe=592329F5
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15978072_1606672792682182_8624847042050240855_n.jp g?oh=0fbff26a05398f2de6d2a8af35c0f070&oe=5912206C

[dimviii]

Ogier in new recce car

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2SKbk0XEAA-drp.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This says Ogier is using a Focus RS for recce..

https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/820953313726398464?s=09

[Mintexmemory]

This says Ogier is using a Focus RS for recce..

https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/820953313726398464?s=09

Doubt the veracity of that - M-Sport always use the 4wd Volvo. Why would Ogier use a 2wd Focus? However Dim's pic appears to bear it out!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Doubt the veracity of that - M-Sport always use the 4wd Volvo. Why would Ogier use a 2wd Focus?

Mk3 RS is 4WD.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16002839_1214305941993333_2903997334410451331_n.jp g?oh=8127ee5ea29cbdb5a9f6a6edc141615c&oe=590D96AC

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Sn19FW8AEPvp_.jpg

[Franky]

Volvo no good for Ogier?

[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2SpR44WQAACwst?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

Volvo no good for Ogier?

Volvo's will be changed. First one, offcourse to main driver

[Mintexmemory]

Mk3 RS is 4WD.

Ta - that piece of knowledge had passed me by!

[Mintexmemory]

Volvo's will be changed. First one, offcourse to main driver

'Offcourse' is leaving the track, 'of course' means the first use of a Mk 3 naturally goes to No1 driver.

[rogef]

What is Recce car from Toyota?

[dimviii]

Meeke


lol masked badge!

[Viking]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Sn19FW8AEPvp_.jpg

Looks like a standard car and not a "Production car" (gr.N), strange choice... Guess it is ok on Monte roads

[itix]

Meeke

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2SpR44WQAACwst?format=jpg&name=large
Citroen changed to Subaru... I seem to recall that they had Mitsubishi as long as I can remember.

[Simmi]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Sn19FW8AEPvp_.jpg

Managed to jump me on the waiting list. I'll let him off ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ta - that piece of knowledge had passed me by!

4wd is the big thing about the new RS and what brought all the praise.

Ask Simmi. ;)

[Bartek]

Looks like a standard car and not a "Production car" (gr.N), strange choice... Guess it is ok on Monte roads

To be honest I had opportunity to drive and to talk with many people who tested that car in proper winter conditions and feedback wasn't great. Between Evo IX or even X and this Mk3 there is a massive difference. This car fits better for a track than for a roads but for Ogi it will be maybe enough to win :)

I think it's also marketing move from Ford to give him that Focus.

[Andre Oliveira]

'Offcourse' is leaving the track, 'of course' means the first use of a Mk 3 naturally goes to No1 driver.



Ups :) smartphone keyboard are in portuguese. Sorry

[Andre Oliveira]

What is Recce car from Toyota?

Subaru

[Andre Oliveira]

Citroen changed to Subaru... I seem to recall that they had Mitsubishi as long as I can remember.

Citroën rented Lancer's in Spain.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There's a video on YT of a standard Focus RS keeping up with a Subaru rally car on snow.

[rogef]

Subaru

Thank you André

[dimviii]

cant wait...

Remmcrae ‏@Remmcrae 5m
5 minutes ago

In the middle of stage 3...
#RallyeMonteCarlo #recce #wrc @ACM_Media

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2S0XhEXEAIlS-H.jpg

[Franky]

There's a video on YT of a standard Focus RS keeping up with a Subaru rally car on snow.

Sorry but people drive Ladas faster than that.

[itix]

Citroën rented Lancer's in Spain.
The had also lancers in Australia two years ago when Østberg crashed into some truck.

I seem to recall also other events where they had them.

[SubaruNorway]

There's a video on YT of a standard Focus RS keeping up with a Subaru rally car on snow.

I Guess you're refering to the Team O'Neil video, the RS probably has 50 more HP.
My 03 STI With 340 HP and same weight was faster than the RS ;) It felt really lazy i think.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sorry but people drive Ladas faster than that.

Ha ha.. maybe but both drivers were equal.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I Guess you're refering to the Team O'Neil video, the RS probably has 50 more HP.
My 03 STI With 340 HP and same weight was faster than the RS ;) It felt really lazy i think.

Going OT. Just think the new Focus is a good reece car.

[liposh]

What are you all talking about? Focus RS is 4WD and so it is good and proper recce car for Monte. End.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen's Monte tactics:

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2017/matton-tactics/page/4209--12-12-.html

[tommeke_B]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-3-0-71494700-1484585093.jpg

[tommeke_B]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-1053-0-85077700-1484508815.jpg

This is on the lower part of SS3/6.

[EstWRC]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-3-0-71494700-1484585093.jpg

great to see estonian number plate in the wrc world :)

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15975192_1397854830247897_3591957977272363545_o.jp g?oh=2da82521fe6a374a70123a926cdb477b&oe=5921B677

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2017/post-3-0-71494700-1484585093.jpg

Following Latvala's recce, the team made a few adjustments to his Toyota... :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2T5MalWIAAaTyd.jpg

[ik1911]

C3 WRC Looks Amazing!!

[J_n_z]

Anybody knows, who are gravel crews for top teams? They are doing big job in the shadow of main show...

[Andre Oliveira]

Gravel Crews

Citroen
Kris Meeke: Derek Brannigan/Stephen Whitford, Stéphane Lefebvre: Alexandre Bengué/Thomas Chauffray, Craig Breen: Mikko Hirvonen

Hyundai
Thierry Neuville: Bruno Thiry/Julian Vial, Dani Sordo: Enrique Garcia Ojeda/Pablo Marcos and Hayden Paddon: Brendan Reeves/Seb Marshall

M-Sport
Sebastien Ogier: Simon Jean-Joseph/Jack Boyere, Ott Tanak: Martin Kangur/Kuldar Sikk, Elfyn Evans: Gwyndaf Evans/Phil Mills and Eric Camilli: Franck Lions/ Christopher Guieu

Toyota
Jari-Matti Latvala: Toni Gardemeister/Panu Honkanen, Juho Hanninen: Jouni Ampuja/Mikko Heikkilä


- Martin Holmes


j_n_z ;)

[jparker]

So, Ogier will drive Ford! That sounds like money driven comedy. What's next for Ford if it doesn't work again?

[markpcym]

What if it does work,which I hope it does...who'll be laughing then!��

[jparker]

Well, I hope it works. Otherwise we will not see this brand agian in WRC for a very long time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So, Ogier will drive Ford! That sounds like money driven comedy. What's next for Ford if it doesn't work again?

Ogier is driving 'a Ford'... not 'for Ford'.

M-Sport are a private team and they are paying for Ogier to drive their Ford Fiesta WRC which they developed and run. Red Bull also pay as Ogier's sponsor.

Ford just provide some technical advice.

[Mirek]

I bet there is some money flow from Ford to M-Sport in whatever form (I guess free stock bodyshell parts etc.).

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XI87yWQAEnbzz?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XI87xWEAAIRxA?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XI87vXgAAxyJr?format=jpg&name=large

[jparker]

I bet there is some money flow from Ford to M-Sport in whatever form (I guess free stock bodyshell parts etc.).

Dare to speculate how much "some money" is?

[Eli]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15975192_1397854830247897_3591957977272363545_o.jp g?oh=2da82521fe6a374a70123a926cdb477b&oe=5921B677

Weren't the C3 WRC supposed to look like this: http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/c3-wrc-2017-3007.jpg?itok=4H3FLiei

[Mirek]

Dare to speculate how much "some money" is?

No

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XEKszXUAAn799.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XEKs0W8AEDnz-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XD7LJWIAAuKr9.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XD7LHWQAI-zzM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XDrmoWQAA_ycg.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XDrmpXAAA2UPJ.jpg

[EstWRC]

m-sport cars arriving https://www.facebook.com/Rallye.Sport.fr/videos/10154247882145754/

[jparker]

Why can't we have wining and beautiful car at the same time? It's always one way or another.

[A FONDO]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XLXjBXgAAC76t.jpg:orig

[Eli]

what's the forecast for the rally?

[Andre Oliveira]

Burri Ford have castrol livery in the other side

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dare to speculate how muxch "some money" is?

Cant be that much as there are only small Ecoboost stickers on the Fiesta.

Red Bull livery tells about Ogier's funding.

[itix]

Weren't the C3 WRC supposed to look like this: http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/c3-wrc-2017-3007.jpg?itok=4H3FLiei
What's the difference in your opinion? Looks the same to me.

[HarriK]

More photos of Toyota service park buildings?

[Doon]

The Fiesta looks like a terrible boy racer project that cost £100 and took 2 hours.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16143126_10154702198475733_8639872019835784609_n.j pg?oh=37eb941c8b8bd87983e86ee253ed9e59&oe=5909B7B3
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16142858_10154702198535733_6595771395016081977_n.j pg?oh=5354a889bffc4202fe575c5b080dedc3&oe=591C4E84
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114730_1589322801084256_1516355371023868087_n.jp g?oh=f66e265f0479959332b375cb3bef1134&oe=590F59B2
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16143135_1589322877750915_6421814722900449039_n.jp g?oh=7fc2b4d6a3b970375e909e9ba6a528c3&oe=58D8ACBB
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15966008_1589323084417561_4723292118102227411_n.jp g?oh=6eef5e8160abe72db15b2059f5d7fb3c&oe=591B70AA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2W19O-WIAELyZl.jpg

[Eli]

What's the difference in your opinion? Looks the same to me.
The door handles not the same.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[itix]

The door handles not the same.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
That's a very tiny difference in my opinion. If we scrutinize all the liveries I'm sure we can find similar differences on all of them.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Fiesta looks like a terrible boy racer project that cost £100 and took 2 hours.

Like to see you do better in the time available & no manufacturer money.

[EstWRC]

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 2m2 minutes ago
New season! New team! New helmet! But still very proud and happy to remain in the #redbullfamily ������ @MSportLtd @redbullmotors


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YR9uuW8AAd3DY.jpg


https://twitter.com/SebOgier/status/821363743342919684

[bluuford]

what's the forecast for the rally?

Updated forecast promises that cold continues (nights -10..-15, days around 0 (below in higher parts and over in lower parts). So, snow remains in higher elevations and melts in lower parts those will be dry. Latest forecast tells that Turini stage has rain on lower parts and snow on the upper section on Sunday. But it is mountains and still too far to say exactly.

[car]

Like to see you do better in the time available & no manufacturer money.
Erm.... I reckon a lot of people could do better than that. There are plenty of other livaries d-Mack) as an example which are much better... the Ogier fiesta design is awful!

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XEyIFXEAAWsDd.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YWJo1WQAAeRqx.jpg

[markpcym]

at the end of the day, if that fiesta didn't have that livery you would not be seeing SO in that car, I'm sure Malcolm would have run the car pink if he could have their backing and Seb driving this season. just be grateful he's out there on the stages and they are bringing you free coverage for every round..

[Jasper]

Erm.... I reckon a lot of people could do better than that. There are plenty of other livaries d-Mack) as an example which are much better... the Ogier fiesta design is awful!

Ok, you don't like it, but I don't think anybody cares about that.

[car]

I'm not in the slightest concerned if anyone cares or not! I'm simply voicing my opinion that the number 1 fiesta looks dreadful (livery wise). Isn't that kind of thing (people offering their opinion) exactly what a forum is for?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YOyofWEAEW2fn.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YOvQFXEAI0GKV.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YO4JWXUAAyLia.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YO_Z5XcAAjki1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YoNYTXAAEpK_-.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16143839_10154979312539973_9064485688392119762_o.j pg?oh=5629655c9c68657eee46f1acd31ac4c5&oe=59187C68
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15972547_10154979311759973_4894991868126127272_o.j pg?oh=f4c3119ba76074b76b47374c3c6fd1ad&oe=59095AE6
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16112912_10154979311754973_4295704147608701486_o.j pg?oh=fe47777d7f28e5c1549b9d3fac23cc77&oe=59072E48
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15972406_10154979312024973_19780808738018904_o.jpg ?oh=f16ddc3ca130639642ff6f481fbcd9c5&oe=59168F05
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16113100_10154979312044973_5098129327713784026_o.j pg?oh=32830d06c67ca36d032742822c7e7bba&oe=592384E2
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16113159_10154979312229973_8347337467895621339_o.j pg?oh=016ba85a78fa447763608946277b066c&oe=5907626B
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16143689_10154979312284973_1495936131947298249_o.j pg?oh=d6851d0eb5f1b9c750b625c010d997ed&oe=591CAFAA
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16113051_10154979312739973_8747298074577399746_o.j pg?oh=32238d4736ed3ff3d2d1dd7d9c407749&oe=590F27E5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Erm.... I reckon a lot of people could do better than that. There are plenty of other livaries d-Mack) as an example which are much better... the Ogier fiesta design is awful!

My reply was to a comment about the design of the actual car, NOT the livery.

[car]

My reply was to a comment about the design of the actual car, NOT the livery.

Sorry Fast... my fault!! Yeah, it doesn't look amazing either way, but the livery especially made it look like a motorised turd!

[dimviii]

imho one of best liveries

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16112513_1199100003499480_5892264619843840446_o.jp g?oh=953bff802a8d83412954526146460627&oe=592173CB

[dupanton]

Apparently stages around Gap have up to 90% snow and ice at the moment.
More in detail:
Friday stages are completly covered in snow and ice apart from:
SS3/6: almost completly covered in snow
SS4/7: parts around town of St Firmen (=first part of the stage) and last kilometers of the stage are dry
SS5/8: start untill Ancelle and the last kilometers are dry

Saturday:
SS9/11: ice on the last +-10km
SS10/12: some patches of ice, not so much

Sunday and Thursday stages are dry

[focus206]

Talking about liveries, has anyone seen a pic of Breen's DS3? I think with the new livery it should look very nice, but maybe they're using the 2016 one...

[EstWRC]

Breen has the old livery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Y_W-iXAAE6XS0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Y_W-sWEAEa1aw.jpg

[Allez Andruet]

What's the weather like around the shakedown stage?

[dimviii]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/meet-the-team-chris-williams

[dodge33cymru]

Wow someone needs to find some.black wheels for Ogier's Fiesta!

The snow conditions sound perfect so far, really regretting not popping my MC cherry this year at the moment. Enjoy it, everyone who's out there!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sorry Fast... my fault!! Yeah, it doesn't look amazing either way, but the livery especially made it look like a motorised turd!

Ogier's livery isnt great, plus it's so 'Red Bull'. I think Evans' DMack car looks the best.

As for the Fiesta WRC.. it's a rally car, so function over form.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ZOsvYWgAE92Tk.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ZVVQQWIAALF_U.jpg

[Barreis]

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127777

[Meekefan]

IMO, both Fiesta and its liverys are amazing. The most beautiful. On the contrary Toyota is ugly and its livery is not better and I am not seeing no one criticising. I am realising many forum members against MSport and its car.

[Barreis]

what are the regulations about super rally for this event?

[Andre Oliveira]

12.6 Restart after retirement (Rally 2)
Art. 46 & 47 FIA-WRC will apply only in case of withdrawal in the Section 1, 2 and 3.

12.7 Sections 7 and 8
Only the 60 first crews classified at the end of the section 6 may be authorised to take the start of sections 7 and 8, on Sunday 22nd January 2017, as from 7h40, at TC 13E.
If more than 60 competitors are classified at the end of Section 6, the following rule will in addition apply for any competitor classified 61st and following:
- To be eligible for the provisional and final overall classifications, all these competitors must remain in the Parc Fermé from the end of Section 6 until the Stewards authorize the opening of the Parc Fermé at the end of the rally.
- For each special stage run on Sunday 22nd January 2017, all these competitors will be allocated a notional time which will be made up of the slowest time achieved in each special stage on Sunday plus 2 minutes per special stage.

[tc10a]

Great conditions on SS 4/7:
https://youtu.be/PCNuvpJIHkM?t=18

full stage recce onboard - timelapse

[jparker]

Great conditions on SS 4/7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCNuvpJIHkM


full stage recce onboard - timelapse

Why is the drver not cutting corners? :)
Nice video anyway

[N.O.T]

Great conditions on SS 4/7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCNuvpJIHkM

full stage recce onboard - timelapse

Why someone would feel the need to include a political message before a recce video ??

[itix]

Why is the drver not cutting corners? :)
Nice video anyway
Why would you cut the corners when you are travelling at normal speeds? (also with what seem to be a motor home)

[Doon]

IMO, both Fiesta and its liverys are amazing. The most beautiful. On the contrary Toyota is ugly and its livery is not better and I am not seeing no one criticising. I am realising many forum members against MSport and its car.

I want m-sport to win everything, and I own a Fiesta; however, the WRC car looks like a chav knocked it up on their driveway, especially the rear arches which were probably done after 8 cans of special brew.

[Mirek]

Some little things from last two pages which stroke my eyes...

Hyundai preferes to use halogen light ramp instead of more and more popular LED lamps. Pity we don't have any specification to compare (like great graphs for R5 LED Lazer lamps).

In the photos of Yaris and C3 without rear wheels it's clearly visible that there is an air duct for cooling of rear brakes in Citroën while there is none visible in the Yaris (maybe not installed yet?).

[tc10a]

Stage 3/6 even more snow:
https://youtu.be/0JFKx8kM7hY?t=18

[N.O.T]

i do not care about the recce, we need more francois asselineau please, i think new levels of autism have been reached by the guy who produced this video.

Lolzzz

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I want m-sport to win everything, and I own a Fiesta; however, the WRC car looks like a chav knocked it up on their driveway, especially the rear arches which were probably done after 8 cans of special brew.

Looks better with the right livery. ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XEKszXUAAn799.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Craig Breen: 'So I guess this will be a proper Monte then! Awesome conditions during the first two days of recce. Bone dry tarmac to -13 degrees and full snow!'

[Nelly]

Is the parking for the shakedown on the main road parelell to the stage or can you access junctions as normal

[dimviii]

https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/14/82/87/95/023.jpg
https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/14/82/87/95/212.jpg

[Jarek Z]

I'm sorry if this question has been asked already, but will it be possible to see some footage from Monte on TV? If so - where? Is that true that there will be no live stages like last year?

[tc10a]

I'm sorry if this question has been asked already, but will it be possible to see some footage from Monte on TV? If so - where?

3 live stages - SS1, SS12, SS17

Where: dont know in your country. In germany for example on tv sport1+ or online wrc+

Online for free ss12 on redbull.tv and daily highlights

[bearclaw]

Stage 3/6 even more snow:
https://youtu.be/0JFKx8kM7hY?t=18

stage 3/6 and 4/7 looking good. a lot of snow there.

but recce of those stages is today morning. I hope after two loops of recce there is some snow left.

[SubaruNorway]

3 live stages - SS1, SS12, SS17

Where: dont know in your country. In germany for example on tv sport1+ or online wrc+

Online for free ss12 on redbull.tv and daily highlights

Norway lost TV rights, are they asking too much money for it now maybe With the New cars? Didn't help With view numbers going from one nisj channel to another either i guess

[tc10a]

stage 3/6 and 4/7 looking good. a lot of snow there.

but recce of those stages is today morning. I hope after two loops of recce there is some snow left.

-10 degrees, there wont change a lot. maybe some sunny parts will wet during the day and freeze to more ice in the evenings.

[RS]

When is shakedown?

[EstWRC]

16.00 local time today

[jparker]

Any fresh pictures from the shakedown stage? Anyone?

[tc10a]

Any fresh pictures from the shakedown stage? Anyone?

Stage is probably tarmac, but with some icy patches, as studded tyres have been allowed by COC Communication n°4 yesterday evening:

7.12 Due to bad weather conditions, studded tyres are authorised during Shakedown
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/COC-COMMUNICATION-N%C2%B042.pdf

[dupanton]

Report from yesterday: lots of ice patches between 1,5 and 3km.

We could see the crews testing the different tyre options to get a feel what they can expect this weekend.

[Rally Power]

i do not care about the recce, we need more francois asselineau please, i think new levels of autism have been reached by the guy who produced this video.

Who cares if the guy is selling his political candidate or a brand new deodorant?!? These videos are great fun to watch and an easy way for fans around the world to get to know MC fantastic stages. It'd be great to have similar videos from other WRC events.

Btw, apparently this one was taken for '16 MC but it looks an hollywood frantic thriller...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIatGvWPpks

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke recce notes:
http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2017-01-18-kriss-recce-notes-monte-carlo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Scrutineering issue for Toyota reported:
https://twitter.com/rallyparadise/status/821682986211045376

Finnish @ksmlfi suggesting problems for @TGR_WRC #YarisWRC to pass scrutineering due to spoiler and diffuser: https://t.co/gsxiWzmUvU #WRC

[WRC17]

12.6 Restart after retirement (Rally 2)
Art. 46 & 47 FIA-WRC will apply only in case of withdrawal in the Section 1, 2 and 3.

12.7 Sections 7 and 8
Only the 60 first crews classified at the end of the section 6 may be authorised to take the start of sections 7 and 8, on Sunday 22nd January 2017, as from 7h40, at TC 13E.
If more than 60 competitors are classified at the end of Section 6, the following rule will in addition apply for any competitor classified 61st and following:
- To be eligible for the provisional and final overall classifications, all these competitors must remain in the Parc Fermé from the end of Section 6 until the Stewards authorize the opening of the Parc Fermé at the end of the rally.
- For each special stage run on Sunday 22nd January 2017, all these competitors will be allocated a notional time which will be made up of the slowest time achieved in each special stage on Sunday plus 2 minutes per special stage.


So that means that cars in 60th to 73rd position after SS6 cant continue?

[tc10a]

So that means that cars in 60th to 73rd position after SS6 cant continue?

Section 6 - means after SS13 - for Sunday stages.

But this rule in recent years never had to be used.

[dupanton]

So that means that cars in 60th to 73rd position after SS6 cant continue?

No, end of section 6 = end of Saturday.
A Section is a number of stages between 2 service breaks / regroups.

[maciotacio]

Bobby K is in Monte, as a spectator with his mate Kevin Ceccon.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2c_TYQWEAEZYgn.jpg

Real shame that he didn't get a drive this year, at least at Monte.
I do miss his flamboyant and flatout driving style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZQKepbGKiI

[bluuford]

So that means that cars in 60th to 73rd position after SS6 cant continue?

It has always been like this in Monte, I mean not after SS6, but before crossing Turini

[Mirek]

Yes, I remember this rule being applied at least for 8 years now but it never happened that so many cars survived till the last leg.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dW8JqWEAA-ztZ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dU65BWgAAMD7F.jpg

[tc10a]

Some images from Shakedown:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dUFGxWIAAweqK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dUFyBXAAA51WR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dUEhGXgAA0lwp.jpg

Source: https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/821717952454131712

[dimviii]

rallytravel.com ‏@rallytravel 2h
2 hours ago

3km of parked cars already for Shakedown, some 3 hours before it starts! New cars have brought the Fever back to #WRC @rallyemontecarl

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2c7e7xXEAEvVy8.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dYgm2WgAEKYDG.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dUuJ5XgAAEaJK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dJMtwW8AA5CjZ.jpg

[dimviii]

from French forum

For those who do not understand French well, here in detail, after our first full pass, on the 6 stages around GAP, the current situation.
Shakedown: many frozen parts of km.1.5 to km.3.
ES 2-13: totally dry except for many frozen traps on all bridge crossings between km.13,5 and 21,5.
ES 3-6: 95% full snow and ice!
Snow hard icy up to km.3.
Very good snow and downhill trap until St Disdier.
Rails of melting snow and ice between St Disdier and Les Gillardes.
Snow hard frozen until Ambel
Final less and less icy becoming dry.
ES 4-7: 90% full snow and very bright ice!
Col de Festreaux snow and ice.
Descent on St Firmin wet and icy.
Dry valley after St Firmin.
Return snow and ice from Le Séchier.
Frozen areas on D316 to Chauffayer.
D23 and D123 dry.
D23A and crossing of St Eusete hyper-frozen!
Des Infournas until last bifurcation descending to Chaillol, full snow and ice with gravel. Good snow at the last Pass!
Final totally dry.
ES 5-8: 60% full snow and ice!
Departure and crossing of St Léger verglacés tending fondant soup.
Road becomes dry until Ancelle.
At the end of the stations, return of the hard and groomed snow with gravelly ice to the slopes at the top of the Col.
Summit of Moissiere pass almost dry because swept by the wind but all the descent forest is mega snow groomed or rails until the end of the wood.
Final sec.
ES 9-11: 30% snow and ice!
Dry to Vitrolles.
Iceflakes with melting tendencies in Barcillonnette.
Return of snow and ice from Esparron.
Climb and descent of the Col de l'Espreaux full snow and ice.
Identical situation for the Col des Verniers then final dry for the Col de la Bachassette.
ES 10-12: D148 and D48 dry except the winding part uphill, between Le Sarret and Savournon composed of melting snow rails.
Descent of the Col de Faye well icy with tendency to improve towards the final dry.
Specials of the Turini and Entrevaux totally dry except the final wet after Ubraye, which can lead to formations of frost plates in the evening.
In short, you know everything!
Good choice in your places ...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dAHRsXAAA1Tg4.jpg

[er88]

Any information about what the conditions are like for ss1 as things stand?

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[bluuford]

Any information about what the conditions are like for ss1 as things stand?

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Purely based on weather observations, I would tell that its should be mostly dry with a little snow on the side of the road in some sections. Tomorrow it will be 3-4 plus degrees around there and during the stage it should be between -3..-4 degrees, maybe slight chanche of patchy black ice

[itix]

Am I the only one who can't find shakedown times on ewrc-results.com all of a sudden?
I am aware that shakedown has not started yet but I was still expecting the section to be there.

[car]

Am I correct in thinking that exact Ogier photo is the one that Col Clarke has posted on twitter? if not, it's very similar!

[EightGear]

Am I the only one who can't find shakedown times on ewrc-results.com all of a sudden?
I am aware that shakedown has not started yet but I was still expecting the section to be there.
http://ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=35143

Click itinerary-shakedown.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Am I the only one who can't find shakedown times on ewrc-results.com all of a sudden?
I am aware that shakedown has not started yet but I was still expecting the section to be there.

Here you go mate

http://ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=35143

[dimviii]

Am I the only one who can't find shakedown times on ewrc-results.com all of a sudden?
I am aware that shakedown has not started yet but I was still expecting the section to be there.


go to itenary then click on shakedown

http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=35143

[KKS]

Any link with live SD times?

edit: oh, tnx

[dimviii]

are we ready?????????????????????????/


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2de6uxXUAISMn0.jpg

[tc10a]

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174571_1031828836921798_2235502359172034703_n.jp g?oh=08dfc716d1b33ad7a833f2eaed4eaf0b&oe=591425B3
Icy on shakedown

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2de6fLWIAABLWt.jpg

[er88]

Purely based on weather observations, I would tell that its should be mostly dry with a little snow on the side of the road in some sections. Tomorrow it will be 3-4 plus degrees around there and during the stage it should be between -3..-4 degrees, maybe slight chanche of patchy black ice
So possibly one of the only few stages where we might get a decent gauge of the performance of the new cars, seeing as a lot of the other stages will have very wintery conditions.

Thanks again for your detailed (and most likely spot on) weather updates, I'm sure you'll be asked many more times this weekend ;)

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[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ddiVdUQAAu05v.jpg

[tc10a]

Mikkelsen opens the shakedown

[EstWRC]

aannnddddd ittt starteeedddd! :cool:

[itix]

Thanks a bunch! First rally of new era officially underway :)

[dimviii]

Rallye Sport ‏@RallyeSport 2m
2 minutes ago

Premier chrono pour @SebOgier en 2:18.1, suivi de @AMikkelsenRally en 2:22.3 #WRC

[A FONDO]

ewrc is broken, after so much advertising.
here http://www.rallye-sport.fr/classement-shakedown-rallye-monte-carlo-2017/ it works (manual reload)

[itix]

Ewrc now working again...

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2dkgzxXAAEqmxv.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174901_462740177447450_343732682804064773_n.jpg? oh=e1373a9cfb48c73bb66b83ff18f179ac&oe=5904AEF0
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16105992_462742130780588_8107069943626135461_n.jpg ?oh=4711662c067eaed722c4fb5e1322fbb7&oe=59139805

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 47s
48 seconds ago

Engine sounds odd for Meeke at first shakedown run. #RallyeMonteCarlo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier well up on Meeke on 1st run...

[EstWRC]

isnt shakdown the same as last year? Meeke was fastest in 16 with 2.07.2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is Ogier the only one awake !? ;)

[itix]

Loads of slow times initially... I have a feeling they are trying the wrong tyres a lot of them.