[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

[Mirek]

Let's hope Poland dropped.

Why? It's a large country with a strong motorsport tradition, large fan base, growing economy and growing car market. Also growing importance in European politics.


Abu Dhabi in!!!

Is that a joke?

[rallyfiend]

Given that the 14th event this year was hugely reluctant, there's nothing to say that there will be 14 in 2017. Especially with the development and cost of the new cars.

Wouldn't surprise me to see 13 next year.

I reckon Italy, Poland, Corsica and maybe Spain would be on the chopping block.

[stefanvv]

Is there a place for NZ and Australia in the same calendar?

[stefanvv]

No.

He would be very disappointed if he does.

[Rallyper]

He would be very disappointed if he does.

So was it not him quoted having his son coming nose end first? MAybe Lundefaret said it once again? ;)

[dimviii]

He would be very disappointed if he does.

he will not be surprised.

[Barreis]

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124796

[stefanvv]

So was it not him quoted having his son coming nose end first? MAybe Lundefaret said it once again? ;)

Man, I just said he would be disappointed, these are Your's assumptions and tbh I don't care.

[AL14]

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124796

"What I'm going to say is not politically correct, but this is rallying. This is not a circuit. You must be prepared, as a driver, for unexpected things."

Is this genius the same who talked nonsense on Bertelli's issue last year?

[Eli]

Let's hope Poland and Corsica dropped.

NZ and Abu Dhabi in!!!

NZ will only come through in 2018, if you don't belive me, hear the podcast from Sardegna. Abu Dhabi, I hope your'e wrong and what's wrong with Corsica?? with a bit of practice they can make it good again.

[Andre Oliveira]

Portugal will be in too.

[bluuford]

Corsica was a bit failiure last year with extreme floods, very small number of spectators (expensive for them as well), quite ok number of entrants but very expensive to take part for bigger teams. I remember that one team compared that total costs were very similar to Mexico (including long trip)! I think they have the biggest risk to loose their round. Poland is good location, big market and it is between north, east south and west, so quite easy to reach for everyone. And prices are also very good:)

[wrc1600]

Don't understand some people have a go on Sardegna,Poland, Corsica or Catalunya. It's the same every year and those are some of good if not best rallies in calendar. What's wrong with Sardegna? All teams go there many times a year for testing, same as Catalunya, rallies are great, easy access to interesting spots, no extra cost for rally passes. Guess those complaining never been to those rallies.

[seb_sh]

Don't understand some people have a go on Sardegna,Poland, Corsica or Catalunya. It's the same every year and those are some of good if not best rallies in calendar. What's wrong with Sardegna? All teams go there many times a year for testing, same as Catalunya, rallies are great, easy access to interesting spots, no extra cost for rally passes. Guess those complaining never been to those rallies.

When people talk about dropping Sardinia or Corsica it's not that they personally dislike the rally. The promoter prefers rallies on the mainland because of easier access and costs. The number of spectators on the island rallies is comparatively low to mainland rallies.

In the end they have to strike a balance between the traditional rallies and new rallies with financial interests. The world and context changes so the sport has to adapt, the only question is how well it does that so we have good rallies in the future.

[wrc1600]

When people talk about dropping Sardinia or Corsica it's not that they personally dislike the rally. The promoter prefers rallies on the mainland because of easier access and costs. The number of spectators on the island rallies is comparatively low to mainland rallies.

In the end they have to strike a balance between the traditional rallies and new rallies with financial interests. The world and context changes so the sport has to adapt, the only question is how well it does that so we have good rallies in the future.

I got that but forum members are not promoters to complain especially most of them don't go there so rallies could be hold on the Moon or sun from this point of view. Sardinia is always very popular and crowded, cost wise cheaper than Wales or Sweden, logistic is far easier than Monte Carlo.

[tommeke_B]

When people talk about dropping Sardinia or Corsica it's not that they personally dislike the rally. The promoter prefers rallies on the mainland because of easier access and costs. The number of spectators on the island rallies is comparatively low to mainland rallies.

In the end they have to strike a balance between the traditional rallies and new rallies with financial interests. The world and context changes so the sport has to adapt, the only question is how well it does that so we have good rallies in the future.

Clearly the UK is an Island too, when it comes to spectators on Wales Rally GB. In Sardinia there's a relatively large crowd, but still small enough to keep it more or less under control, both on and outside the stages. I wonder if they could organize a WRC event on mainland Italy without big issues regarding safety or traffic...

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124803/wrc-poised-for-crunch-running-order-rule-talks on June 24th in the next WSMC meeting in Turin. BTW they will also (probably) talk about the calendar for next year, so you can all calm yourself's down for now...

[Jack4688`]

Clearly the UK is an Island too, when it comes to spectators on Wales Rally GB. In Sardinia there's a relatively large crowd, but still small enough to keep it more or less under control, both on and outside the stages. I wonder if they could organize a WRC event on mainland Italy without big issues regarding safety or traffic...

I would have thought the biggest issue for Rally d'Italia moving to the mainland is whether the money is actually there for an event to be run as WRC.

[AndyRAC]

I would have thought the biggest issue for Rally d'Italia moving to the mainland is whether the money is actually there for an event to be run as WRC.

It's a pretty damning statement if a proposed mainland WRC Italian round can't get a sponsor. Personally, Sanremo should always be the Italian WRC round - but they can't even get in the ERC.

[GigiGalliNo1]

It's funny, I've been to Rally Poland once in 2015, and going again in a few weeks and don't want it in the calendar :D

[dimviii]

Nicolas Gilsoul ‏@nicolasgilsoul

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[Eli]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/wm/nachrichten/artikel/d/2016/06/16/hyundai-setzt-kuenftig-auf-dreituerer/ and for his birthday, next year Hyundai will use the 3 door version of the i20. so the technical sections which have been difficult for the current car ('cause it's so big) should be easier for the drivers next year.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/wm/nachrichten/artikel/d/2016/06/16/hyundai-setzt-kuenftig-auf-dreituerer/ and for his birthday, next year Hyundai will use the 3 door version of the i20. so the technical sections which have been difficult for the current car ('cause it's so big) should be easier for the drivers next year.
Fortunately, it's already June..

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[danon]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/jost-capito-proche-de-sortie/

[dimviii]

Andolfi maybe with i20 r5 at Corse
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc-3/news/2016/june/andolfi-r5-drive/page/3651--36-36-.html

[giu canbera]

is monaco, sweden, USA, argentina, portugal, acropolis, safari, finland, germany, corsica, an australia/new zealand event, japan, spain and wales the ideal schedule?

[seb_sh]

is monaco, sweden, USA, argentina, portugal, acropolis, safari, finland, germany, corsica, an australia/new zealand event, japan, spain and wales the ideal schedule?

no :P

[aykutbilir]

is monaco, sweden, USA, argentina, portugal, acropolis, safari, finland, germany, corsica, an australia/new zealand event, japan, spain and wales the ideal schedule?

USA and safari? are you kidding :)


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[Doon]

is monaco, sweden, USA, argentina, portugal, acropolis, safari, finland, germany, corsica, an australia/new zealand event, japan, spain and wales the ideal schedule?

I quite like it. Safari is not realistic though. New Zealand not Australia (or both if Oz moves back to Perth). USA or Canada for a winter rally just after Sweden would be good.

[Duvel]

I quite like it. Safari is not realistic though. New Zealand not Australia (or both if Oz moves back to Perth). USA or Canada for a winter rally just after Sweden would be good.

My proposal to the motorsort council would be;

Monte, classic / herritage
Sweden, snow is always nice / classic.
Ireland, rally culture / nice stage's-views / extra asfalt round is welcome.
Argentina, South America has to be in.
Portugal, (Porto region) rally culture / big crowds.
Greece, Acropolis belongs in WRC
Finland, classic / herritage
Germany, proper asfalt rally
Japan, belongs in WRC
New Zealand, best stages in the world.
Wales, classic / herritage
Italy, (Sardenga) spectator friendly / nice stage's
Spain, mixed event / classic.


I would also like to see an extra snow rally, in Canada would be great.
And i would let some events rotate year after year. Corsica can swap place whit Sardinia, New Zealand - Australia, Argentinia - Mexico, Japan - China,...

[AL14]

Scandola working for Galles. Let's hope he will be there.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Joost at it again

http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/10528-volkswagen-attacks-wrc-testing-rules

[cali]

Joost at it again

http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/10528-volkswagen-attacks-wrc-testing-rules
Jeez, this guy is a complete idiot!

"The statement does not comment on the way that Volkswagen took full advantage of the rules when they were preparing for their entry into the WRC back in 2012, when they themselves were the first team so far to have gone testing in Mexico."

This is spot on from Martin Holmes. I just cannot believe what a hypocrite Capito is.

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[AndyRAC]

As the article says, he's forgotten about 2012 when VW tested extensively with both a VW Polo and the Fabia S2000. And did the full WRC with VW run Skoda Fabia S2000s - has any new team been so thoroughly prepared for a WRC debut??

The sooner he's in F1 the better - I wonder why VW have entered the WRC; as they/ Capito are always moaning about it....

[dimviii]

As the article says, he's forgotten about 2012 when VW tested extensively with both a VW Polo and the Fabia S2000. And did the full WRC with VW run Skoda Fabia S2000s - has any new team been so thoroughly prepared for a WRC debut??
.

10.000 kms they were talking these days.

[stefanvv]

10.000 kms they were talking these days.

That much TMR plans to test. I think for VW total was something about 18k.

[AL14]

For God sakes, shouldn't he go away? Why the hell is he still there? What does it take to VW to find another one?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClugGlwWYAAFD66.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

About Rally no. http://www.fia.com/news/fia-announces-world-motor-sport-council-decisions-2

[seb_sh]

Capito is now more or less honking his horn about whatever crosses his mind because he knows he's going. Good riddance, he may be good professionally but such a lack of character....

[er88]

Capito will fit in well with all the moaning that goes on in F1

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[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124957/privateers-barred-from-2017-world-rally-cars

[Fast Eddie WRC]

CRAIG BREEN AND STÉPHANE LEFEBVRE TO REPRESENT ABU DHABI TOTAL WRT IN POLAND

http://www.citroenracing.com/en/2016/news/wrc-news/70160/craig-breen-and-stephane-lefebvre-to-represent-abu-dhabi-total-wrt-in-poland/

[Lundefaret]

About Rally no. http://www.fia.com/news/fia-announces-world-motor-sport-council-decisions-2

They have said that they wont (at this time) go down the super license route. But want to make an individual assessment of drivers allowed to drive 2017-cars.
This will off course be about 3rd and 4th drivers.
Will be interesting to see what happens in 18 and further on. 17 machinery is at one time going to be the cars privateers want to run, and its very unlikely M-Sport will continue to make 16 cars.
A Privateer Cup wont have longevity if they dont think of how they could introduce the 17 cars in to this. It could be done with different restrictor and passive diff?
But this is really only a M-Sport problem, because neither VW, Hyundai, Citroën or Toyota are likely to sell of WRC cars, and have done so until now only in very rear circumstances.

So the question is: What will Henning Solberg be allowed to drive?
He is not an official M-Sport WRC driver, he will not enter R5, and he would most possibly like to continoue in WRC after 2017.

[KiwiWRCfan]

So the question is: What will Henning Solberg be allowed to drive?
He is not an official M-Sport WRC driver, he will not enter R5, and he would most possibly like to continue in WRC after 2017.

Another question is what will Ott Tanak drive ?
Will DMack be allowed to enter as a [tyre] manufacturer

[N.O.T]

So the question is: What will Henning Solberg be allowed to drive?


easy answer.... the "nobody cares" 2017 version

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport can register M-Sport and M-Sport II 3+3 cars

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Having the drivers of four full manufacturer teams, plus M-Sport, I dont think there is really an issue for the fans in 2017. Compared to when we only had Ford & Citroen in the WRC just a few years ago, next year will have a great entry in terms of WRC numbers.

The issue for M-Sport will be financial in terms if selling/running additional 2017 WRC cars. But given their success with Fiesta R5 sales, they should still be able to continue.

[stefanvv]

So the question is: What will Henning Solberg be allowed to drive?

I think it is important for the championship followers him to drive. Let's hope there will be a solution.

[Simmi]

"To provide the opportunity for more drivers to be nominated, from 2017 a Manufacturer will not be required to nominate the first driver in its team. Nominations will however still be required by the closing date of entries for each event."

Can anyone give an example of how this rule will make any difference at all to what we see next year?

[stefanvv]

"To provide the opportunity for more drivers to be nominated, from 2017 a Manufacturer will not be required to nominate the first driver in its team. Nominations will however still be required by the closing date of entries for each event."

Can anyone give an example of how this rule will make any difference at all to what we see next year?


I think now the nominated driver must be so in at least 10 events.

[seb_sh]

"To provide the opportunity for more drivers to be nominated, from 2017 a Manufacturer will not be required to nominate the first driver in its team. Nominations will however still be required by the closing date of entries for each event."

Can anyone give an example of how this rule will make any difference at all to what we see next year?

For example, this year Hyundai has nominated Sordo as first driver. That means that on at least 10 rallies he must be in the main team alongside Paddon, Neuville or whoever they want. Without this rule you could have Paddon+Neuville on more than 4 rallies in the main team.

In reality this will not change much for next year for the current teams because they have stable driver line-ups and in case of force majeur (injuries for example) they are allowed to substitute the nominated driver anyway.

The only team that could benefit more is Toyota if they will have many drivers that they want to alternate.

[Simmi]

For example, this year Hyundai has nominated Sordo as first driver. That means that on at least 10 rallies he must be in the main team alongside Paddon, Neuville or whoever they want. Without this rule you could have Paddon+Neuville on more than 4 rallies in the main team.

In reality this will not change much for next year for the current teams because they have stable driver line-ups and in case of force majeur (injuries for example) they are allowed to substitute the nominated driver anyway.

The only team that could benefit more is Toyota if they will have many drivers that they want to alternate.

This is what I mean. Due to the stable lineups it doesn't really make any difference. It just means Hyundai don't need to make a controversial decision.

But does this ruling now effectively rule out three-car teams for next year?

[stefanvv]

This is what I mean. Due to the stable lineups it doesn't really make any difference. It just means Hyundai don't need to make a controversial decision.

But does this ruling now effectively rule out three-car teams for next year?

.
I believe 3 cars teams is the idea, just 2 drivers are to be nominated

[EstWRC]

Prokop's penalty is canceled https://www.facebook.com/MartinProkopOfficial/photos/a.318570601582668.63415.317216581718070/881587325280990/?type=3&theater

[N.O.T]

Prokop's penalty is canceled https://www.facebook.com/MartinProkopOfficial/photos/a.318570601582668.63415.317216581718070/881587325280990/?type=3&theater

perfect news... that 9th place sure deserve a trip to the hamburger shop as a proper athlete prokop is. Hope his plans do not change for next year.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl8wQLTWYAAT6Yk.jpg

[danon]

perfect news... that 9th place sure deserve a trip to the hamburger shop as a proper athlete prokop is. Hope his plans do not change for next year.

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[GigiGalliNo1]

Good!

[dimviii]

Specifically, told Rallye-Magazin, Adamo has acknowledged that the Korean company is waiting for the decision of the FIA ​​about the new regulations for Turbo R2, which are gradually replacing previous models with atmospheric thrusters. Citroën is another brand that is expected to follow the path marked by M-Sport while the Ford Fiesta 1.0 turbo engine R2T.

What has ruled the sporting career chief client Hyundai-section is not expected to have a car category R1 as all current models in the catalog of the firm are too large to fit into it.

We know that the FIA ​​wants to change the rules so that these cars are cheaper. We now expect a firm decision. The worst thing would invest money and resources in one thing suddenly changes. Typically R2 is expected to be equipped by small turbo engines in the future. It seems the future of all manufacturers.

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/06/27/hyundai-espera-la-decision-de-la-fia-para-empezar-con-la-construccion-de-un-r2/

[GigiGalliNo1]

Hyundai i10 for the R2?

[aykutbilir]

that will be worse than fiat 500r3t as a rally car..



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[dimviii]

Next season will be on the role more seats available on factory equipment. Most official teams seems to be decided on the alignment of three units of World Rally Cars in 2017 each test, at least all but M-Sport has not been spoken about. This results in at least be 14 seats, something that has caused some young pilots have been launched with the intention to give its jump from WRC2.

One of them is the proper Elfyn Evans. Relegated this season to the second category by Malcolm Wilson detriment of Eric Camilli (which has started to leave and some quality samples that saw in him the owner of M-Sport) and after a meteoric start in WRC2 with the Ford Fiesta Evo R5, in which even some came to demand his return to the WRC, misfortune and punctures he has lost the advantage he had in front of the general. Still, it remains first in the World Cup category and also is a leader in the British Rally Championship after his victory in Scotland this past weekend.

Although Motorsport News confirmed that Malcolm Wilson has plans to retain Evans in M-Sport, the Welshman has also not ruled out the possibility of abandoning the current discipline with the goal of returning to sitting in a World Rally Car. Maybe the only possibility of having a place in the team Cumbria (hard to think that they will have three Ford Fiesta RS WRC17 official) would exit Mads Ostberg, as in the case of Camilli his contract is for two seasons. As long as it is not fulfilled the cherished dream of the return of Thierry Neuville ... As for Evans, and appeared on the long list of future Toyota.

I'm working hard to secure a future in a World Rally Car. I'm not interested in repeating another year doing what I am currently doing. Driving the R5 is not helping me grow now. I did the last two years was fantastic, but this is not giving me enough experience to compete at the highest level. I can take the next step.
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/06/27/elfyn-evans-no-descarta-salir-de-m-sport-en-2017-para-pilotar-un-wrc/

[dimviii]

official photo from citroen for c3

http://www.zougla.gr/assets/images/2004240.jpg

[danon]

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[BleAivano]

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Looks more like a WTCC car then a rally car. Personally I don't like it.

[aykutbilir]

just a fantasy drawing


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[Mintexmemory]

Next season will be on the role more seats available on factory equipment. Most official teams seems to be decided on the alignment of three units of World Rally Cars in 2017 each test, at least all but M-Sport has not been spoken about. This results in at least be 14 seats, something that has caused some young pilots have been launched with the intention to give its jump from WRC2.

One of them is the proper Elfyn Evans. Relegated this season to the second category by Malcolm Wilson detriment of Eric Camilli (which has started to leave and some quality samples that saw in him the owner of M-Sport) and after a meteoric start in WRC2 with the Ford Fiesta Evo R5, in which even some came to demand his return to the WRC, misfortune and punctures he has lost the advantage he had in front of the general. Still, it remains first in the World Cup category and also is a leader in the British Rally Championship after his victory in Scotland this past weekend.

Although Motorsport News confirmed that Malcolm Wilson has plans to retain Evans in M-Sport, the Welshman has also not ruled out the possibility of abandoning the current discipline with the goal of returning to sitting in a World Rally Car. Maybe the only possibility of having a place in the team Cumbria (hard to think that they will have three Ford Fiesta RS WRC17 official) would exit Mads Ostberg, as in the case of Camilli his contract is for two seasons. As long as it is not fulfilled the cherished dream of the return of Thierry Neuville ... As for Evans, and appeared on the long list of future Toyota.

I'm working hard to secure a future in a World Rally Car. I'm not interested in repeating another year doing what I am currently doing. Driving the R5 is not helping me grow now. I did the last two years was fantastic, but this is not giving me enough experience to compete at the highest level. I can take the next step.
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/06/27/elfyn-evans-no-descarta-salir-de-m-sport-en-2017-para-pilotar-un-wrc/

Arrrgh =god I hate Googlish - Even though I think I understand the German grammar constructs some of this is just nonsense. As before translation into English I am asking for.

[Simmi]

Is it saying Evans is linked with Toyota? Or just speculation from the author?

[giù tutto!]

How on earth FFSA changed the Rallye Jeunes from the French car manufacturers to the British car rental company???

http://www.rallyejeunes.com/la-voie-royale-vers-le-wrc/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New Citroen C3 official launch today.. we'll see exactly what the 2017 WRC car is based on.

[Eli]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-citro%C3%ABn-c3-supermini-reflects-c4-cactus-styling and here it is:)

[A FONDO]

typical french perversion

[itix]

Whoever designed those front lights should be shot in the early morning mist...

And why oh why the silly door cushions?

Bring back the designer of the DS cars...

[janvanvurpa]

New Citroen C3 official launch today.. we'll see exactly what the 2017 WRC car is based on.

Sweet bleedin Jayzuz.....I think I am going to go spew..
It looks like a childs toy

America's infantilization of the world is spreading..Oh dear.

[USER47]

Looks like smaller cactus. Meh.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroën 2017 team will have just 2 drivers full time. Citroën is expected to stay in WRC for at least 3 more years...
via @ericdobro Twitter

[EstWRC]

so, no such a rule that teams will be with 3 cars then?

[Teme]

so, no such a rule that teams will be with 3 cars then?

Don't know about the rule, have it really been mentioned anywhere? It would be great of course. This season last four rallies the 25 manu points for victory has gone to the number 2 teams of VW and Hyundai which is ridiculous.

And if the rumour says 2 drivers full time, that doesn't mean there can't be 3 cars full time. And anyway if I remember correctly, for example Subaru used most of the time only two cars in 2002-2003.

[dimviii]

More than one will have caught off guard Yves Matton statements in an interview with the French half AUTOhebdo, which ensures that Citroen will have only two official units next season. The first is for Kris Meeke, who is under contract until 2018, while the second is being shuffled between different names, including the two young pilots of the signing of the two chevrons that competed last weekend in Poland Stéphane Lefebvre and Craig Breen.

The Belgian has made it clear that there will be rotations in the second seat for the 2017 season and therefore the pilot elected accompany Kris Meeke driving the second Citroen C3 WRC during the calendar full. A list that has long been rumored that could also be Thierry Neuville and Dani Sordo.

I am looking for a second driver for 2017. I have no obligation to impose or Stéphane Craig, the only instruction is to do the best possible given their current level and experience. They have to show what they are capable. It will be a unique second pilot, who I will choose between candidates who can potentially come into my plans. Today I have not decided, however, some of them have already been discarded. In July plans for the next three years will be defined, then I begin to negotiate with the drivers that give the profile.

And the truth is that at no time Citroen said it was to have three cars, which themselves have brands like Toyota or Hyundai (Volkswagen also expected to hold). Matton remarks that the only option for Citroën had a third unit would be for the training of young pilots, something that is not necessary today because the WRC lacks them.

We maintain commitment of two cars. I am against an agreement requiring the use of three cars and invest more money in pilots. The only interest of a third car would be the training of young people. But one of the biggest drawbacks of the WRC is to have more seats than high-level drivers. First you have to solve this problem. On development, we will soon have a second model to advance the evolution in asphalt. There is no assessment point between the new and current WRC, but the car rolled into the same sections to compare specific points such as easy to drive. Bengué is unavailable due to injury, but is expected back in the car at the end of the month. We have remade the simulator and we are ready to extend our contract with the FIA ​​another year in the JWRC.

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/07/05/citroen-tendra-unicamente-dos-c3-wrc-para-la-temporada-2017/

[Simmi]

From that translation is he saying there will be a full-time second driver or that they will rotate the second seat? It's not clear.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds to me like there will be a second full-time driver, he just hasn't decided who it will be yet... and Breen & Lefebvre are not the only choices.

[Mintexmemory]

Sounds to me like there will be a second full-time driver, he just hasn't decided who it will be yet... and Breen & Lefebvre are not the only choices.

That is exactly what is reported - so a fixed 2 driver team for 2017. Are we taking it for granted that KM is no.1?

[Jack4688`]

training of young pilots, something that is not necessary today because the WRC lacks them.

I know it's only a literal translation but that is hilarious - we don't need young'ens because there aren't any :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Are we taking it for granted that KM is no.1?

'Citroen will have only two official units next season. The first is for Kris Meeke, who is under contract until 2018..'

Surely Meeke is the no.1.. he is doing most of the testing of the C3 plus who else could they bring in ?

[AL14]

My interview to our friend Ole-Martin Lundefaret for an italian magazine.

http://www.rally.it/2016/07/ole-martin-lundefaret-lallenatore-paddon

[Simmi]

'Citroen will have only two official units next season. The first is for Kris Meeke, who is under contract until 2018..'

Surely Meeke is the no.1.. he is doing most of the testing of the C3 plus who else could they bring in ?

Like the article says - rumoured guys are Neuville and Sordo - both of which have I think indicated they would like to stay at Hyundai. Not a huge amount of choice for Citroen to be honest? Same issue Tommi has.

Disappointing to see they will only have two cars given they have refocused on WRC. But if they have a longer-term commitment then that extra car could come in. Maybe the young driver negativity is a reference to them losing both Ogier and Neuville having helped to develop them within PSA?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I guess Citroen have no intention of wasting time and want to hit the ground running in 2017 with a complete driver package. If I was Breen / Lefebvre I wouldnt be too confident of getting the drive...

I wonder what the score is with Tanak & M-Sport for next year ?

[Mintexmemory]

My interview to our friend Ole-Martin Lundefaret for an italian magazine.

http://www.rally.it/2016/07/ole-martin-lundefaret-lallenatore-paddon

Good work, wish the mainstream UK magazines had more of this content.

[Simmi]

Pretty crazy to read in Motorsport News today that the WRC might be moving to a control tyre.

It's under discussion and the decision is to be made by WRC Promoter in a month. This is despite neither Dmack or Michelin asking for it. Not even Capito supports it.

After the great Dmack-related storylines last weekend it's yet more lunacy from the people in charge.

[Simmi]

Also in MN - Teemu Suninen being heavily linked to Citroen next year.

Quotes from Timo Jouhki: With the development and progression he has been doing, he is ready for the World Rally Car next year and I'm pretty sure I can get him in. Citroen is the preferred option. Next one is either Hyundai or Tommi, and M-Sport is the last one."


Pretty crazy that Jouhki would openly rank the teams like that in public. Signs he is very confident I think. Bad news for Lefebvre/Breen when coupled with the news they'll just have two cars.

[EightGear]

I like how he calls Toyota just 'Tommi.'

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125170/wrc-could-return-to-control-tyres-in-2017, I thought you were jokin' yesterday but wow nope they are serious...

[N.O.T]

My interview to our friend Ole-Martin Lundefaret for an italian magazine.

http://www.rally.it/2016/07/ole-martin-lundefaret-lallenatore-paddon

Are you a journalist ? please say no...

[aykutbilir]

This is such a joke. Even at Wrc or F1 control tyre is ridicilous they need to let tyre companies but money and research on the series to make them better. If there is a such a control tyre today Dmack will not be improve this much.


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[AL14]

Are you a journalist ? please say no...
I am not. I write for them because they are very nice friends and I love rally.
I work in the digital/content/marketing industry though, so I'm used to content publishing somehow..
Why you asked? Just for trolling?

[N.O.T]

Why you asked? Just for trolling?

because i do not like journalists.

i am always trolling. Its what a dear leader must do in order to preserve balance in the universe.

[Simmi]

Has anyone else heard about PH Sport running two DS3s next year in addition to the factory?

It's just kind of slotted in this article like it's common knowledge - http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/citroen-to-field-two-cars-in-2017-targeting-neuville-796283/?utm_source=RSS&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=RSS-WRC&utm_term=News&utm_content=www&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[N.O.T]

Has anyone else heard about PH Sport running two DS3s next year in addition to the factory?

It's just kind of slotted in this article like it's common knowledge - http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/citroen-to-field-two-cars-in-2017-targeting-neuville-796283/?utm_source=RSS&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=RSS-WRC&utm_term=News&utm_content=www&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Its says 2 DS3s so probably R5 cars.

[EightGear]

Running DS3s next year will be pretty hopeless though.

[Simmi]

Its says 2 DS3s so probably R5 cars.

I'd guess more likely the old spec WRC cars. But we still need to wait for the FIA/WRC Promoter to decide what they are doing.

I'd be in favour of this move to be honest. Having guys like Lefebvre, Breen, Tidemand maybe all battling in older cars, gaining experience until the new machinery is more readily available.

[focus206]

...

[focus206]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125170/wrc-could-return-to-control-tyres-in-2017, I thought you were jokin' yesterday but wow nope they are serious...

They say there are "pros and cons", what would be the "pros" of control tyres?

[Simmi]

They say there are "pros and cons", what would be the "pros" of control tyres?

Like the article says, some tyre maker ploughing significant money into the series/promotion etc. But honestly with Dmack we've already got the equivalent of the Pirelli Star Driver programme with a better ladder to the top. And Dmack don't even want a control tyre. To force them out of the sport would be insane.

[AMSS]

They say there are "pros and cons", what would be the "pros" of control tyres?

More money to the FIA...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen targetting Neuville for 2017 then... so a seat could be available at Hyundai for Abbring possibly ?

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/citroen-to-field-two-cars-in-2017-targeting-neuville-796283/

[dimviii]

Two young Japanese drivers supported by Toyota and being trained by the team of four-time World Rally Champion Tommi Mäkinen will compete on the next round of the FIA European Rally Championship.

Takamoto Katsuta (aged 23) and Hiroki Arai (22) are being nurtured under the Toyota Gazoo Racing Challenge Program with Tommi Mäkinen Racing, which will operate Toyota’s World Rally Championship team when it returns to the top level of the sport in 2017.

The pair recently made a step up in their development by moving from R4-specification Subaru Impreza WRX STIs to Ford Fiesta R5s in the Finnish championship, and for their second starts in the cars they will make ERC debuts on auto24 Rally Estonia on 15-17 July.

The high-speed gravel rally will be seen as ideal preparation for the famous Rally Finland, which follows two weeks later.

When the decision was made earlier this year to promote the pair to the R5 category, Mäkinen said: “I’m happy to report that Katsuta and Arai have progressed markedly compared to when they started the program. They still need more experience as rally drivers, but in coaching them over the last ten months, I’m convinced that they have the potential for further growth. The instructor team is going to be doing everything it can to maximize their abilities and skills.”

Arai has rallying in the blood, as his father is former Subaru WRC and ERC ace Toshi Arai. Katsuta on the other hand started out in karting and single-seater racing, finishing second in the Japanese Formula 3 Championship with Toyota in 2013 before landing a place on the marque’s rally scheme. The pair are co-driven by experienced navigators Glenn MacNeall and Daniel Barritt.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmxZKSvWAAAuJZS.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

Like the article says, some tyre maker ploughing significant money into the series/promotion etc. But honestly with Dmack we've already got the equivalent of the Pirelli Star Driver programme with a better ladder to the top. And Dmack don't even want a control tyre. To force them out of the sport would be insane.

Right, agreed.

So where is the announcement naming whoever as THE WRC sole supplier?










:crazy:

[rallyfiend]

Right, agreed.

So where is the announcement naming whoever as THE WRC sole supplier?










:crazy:

The article itself it a little stupid. He needs to decide better what his problem is.

in one paragraph he notes how the last single tyre supplier provided us with Ott and Hayden, and then in another he says it would be a stupid idea.

Make up your mind, sir.

[janvanvurpa]

because i do not like journalists.

i am always trolling. Its what a dear leader must do in order to preserve balance in the universe.


And the balance is there: You do not like journalists, journalists don't like you.

What else is new?

And with all the trolling you do, you'd think you'd eventually get better at it... but, alas, no.

[leighton323]

And the balance is there: You do not like journalists, journalists don't like you.

What else is new?

And with all the trolling you do, you'd think you'd eventually get better at it... but, alas, no.
And yet you still respond, he gets you everytime

[WUff1]

Citroen targetting Neuville for 2017 then... so a seat could be available at Hyundai for Abbring possibly ?

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/citroen-to-field-two-cars-in-2017-targeting-neuville-796283/

In this case I wouldn´t bet for Abbring getting a seat. His performances, even considering the old car, were not too convincing.

[AL14]

In this case I wouldn´t bet for Abbring getting a seat. His performances, even considering the old car, were not too convincing.

Why are you taking it seriously?
It is an article without a quote and with a lot of "is said to" and "should". In a word it is crap.

I think our dear leader should do something about it. lol

[tommeke_B]

http://lanuovasardegna.gelocal.it/sport/2016/07/08/news/la-sardegna-perde-il-rally-mondiale-1.13787075?ref=fbfns Looks like it's over with the Rally in Sardinia, pitty...

[AL14]

http://lanuovasardegna.gelocal.it/sport/2016/07/08/news/la-sardegna-perde-il-rally-mondiale-1.13787075?ref=fbfns Looks like it's over with the Rally in Sardinia, pitty...

Every year they say that. But this year it's ACI who is saying it for economical and (they say) political reasons. The problem is that ACI is going to pay more to keep Monza circuit in F1 (sigh) and is asking more money from the regional government.

What I'm afraid of is that they're leaving Sardinia without having ready a concrete alternative...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why are you taking it seriously?
It is an article without a quote and with a lot of "is said to" and "should". In a word it is crap.


This thread is for news and rumours. Thus this info was posted.

Several sources state Matton's view on 2017.

So Your opinion is just as likely to be crap.

[AL14]

This thread is for news and rumours. Thus this info was posted.

Several sources state Matton's view on 2017.

So Your opinion is just as likely to be crap.
Why are you so rude?
I've said the article is crap, not you who have posted it. I could never say that to a forum member like you just did...

[Simmi]

A piece summing up the silly season situation at the moment. Goes through Google translate pretty well:
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/07/09/asi-esta-el-mercado-de-pilotos-del-mundial-de-rallyes-para-la-temporada-2017/

Biggest question is around Neuville. If we see him in the 2017 car testing it is likely he is staying.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jari-Matti Latvala reported as having signed VW contract for 2017 with option for 2 year extension until 2019 according to @fernischumi

[Simmi]

Jari-Matti Latvala reported as having signed VW contract for 2017 with option for 2 year extension until 2019 according to @fernischumi

So 2018 could be a crunch moment for VW in terms of whether they promote Mikkelsen - take a Skoda guy and move on from Latvala. Or they keep things the same and pick up the Latvala option. For sure someone will be on a one-year contract at Toyota next year to ensure they have space for 2018.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo confirms a vertebra broken after Finland crash during test, but all is ok for the event. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm8ngnkW8AAwQX4.jpg

[PLuto]

Sordo confirms a vertebra broken after Finland crash during test, but all is ok for the event. :)

If he has broken vertebra, I am not sure if it is ok for the event...

[Mirek]

This. If it is really broken I can't see how he can be ready in time.

[danon]

I couldn't breathe or move properly two months after vertebral fractures, coughing was virtually impossible.

[KiwiWRCfan]

An article published by a NZ website a few hours ago http://www.velocitynews.co.nz/news.php?id=569

[EstWRC]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125254/injured-sordo-could-miss-finland-after-crash

The team has cancelled Paddon's entry on this weekend's Autoglym Rally, which runs close to Tampere.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

News from Chris Ingram's new co-driver... :D

Elliott Edmondson ‏@EAERallying
@JariMattiWRC I saw you in Helsinki airport today on my way to @RallyEstonia with @ChrisIngramGB

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnGDumvXEAAh_vW.jpg

[itix]

News from Chris Ingram's new co-driver... :D

Elliott Edmondson ‏@EAERallying
@JariMattiWRC I saw you in Helsinki airport today on my way to @RallyEstonia with @ChrisIngramGB

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnGDumvXEAAh_vW.jpg
Now we know how he gets the money everyone claims he buys his droves with :D

[EstWRC]

According to @AUTOhebdoSPORT, Dani Sordo signed in Rally Poland its renovation with the Hyundai team for two seasons #WRC

[Simmi]

Not a surprise but good to see it partially confirmed.

So I think right now in terms of contracts we have:
Signed through 2018: Paddon, Sordo, Meeke
Signed through 2017: Latvala (with 2 year option), Camilli (with 1 year option), Mikkelsen? Ogier? (don't think these are public?)

[stefanvv]

Not a surprise not good to see it partially confirmed.

So I think right now in terms of contracts we have:
Signed through 2018: Paddon, Sordo, Meeke
Signed through 2017: Latvala (with 2 year option), Camilli (with 1 year option), Mikkelsen? Ogier? (don't think these are public?)

Mikkelsen got 3 year deal last year. I thing it's the same for Ogier.

[Simmi]

Mikkelsen got 3 year deal last year. I thing it's the same for Ogier.

Cool. I never saw anything that said it was 3 years. Is there a link somewhere? Just 'several' years: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/mikkelsen-deal/page/2523--12-12-.html

[stefanvv]

Cool. I never saw anything that said it was 3 years. Is there a link somewhere? Just 'several' years: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/mikkelsen-deal/page/2523--12-12-.html

I read it somewhere last year, may be volkswagen motorsport newsletter?!?

[EstWRC]

From Motorsport news

In @OfficialWRC news, @DMACK_Tyres could target a two car WRC team with @OttTanak and @ElfynEvans for 2017.

[Francis44]

So if single tyre supplier is a thing in 2017, we can guess it will be Dmack, no wonder after all, they've been putting so much money into the sport.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Don't think so.... Cormack wouldn't have the buying power as France's Michelin!!! HELLO!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125272/dmack-wants-works-team-or-second-car-in-2017

[EstWRC]

Longer story about dmack now on autosport http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125272/dmack-wants-works-team-or-second-car-in-2017

[Sulland]

So if single tyre supplier is a thing in 2017, we can guess it will be Dmack, no wonder after all, they've been putting so much money into the sport.

I ha e changed opinion on this topic. I see more potential for a bit more uncertanty with more tyre brands involved. The only pro single providor could be price, but have no data to build an opinion if multiple providors will mean higher tyre budgets.

[Simmi]

So if single tyre supplier is a thing in 2017, we can guess it will be Dmack, no wonder after all, they've been putting so much money into the sport.

Supposedly no Dmack weren't in favour of a control tyre. Yet WRC Promoter would seemingly happily force them out! Lunacy.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It will be a scandal if DMack are forced out of the WRC as a team (as well as tyre supplier) because of the introduction of a different control tyre.

Maybe if the worst does happen they could switch to the ERC ?

[AndyRAC]

Supposedly no Dmack weren't in favour of a control tyre. Yet WRC Promoter would seemingly happily force them out! Lunacy.

Another ridiculous idea from the WRC Promoter. They simply have no idea about the sport. They've done the square root of bugger all since they took over; the WRC is as invisible as ever!

[dimviii]

i dont think that they are so stupid to do that.
Malcolm will push not to loose the multi million rent for 1 or the rumored 2 wrc cars at full championship from Dmack.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not sure how much sway M-Sport will have with the WRC when they will have 4 full Manufacturer Teams in the 2017 Ch'ship.

Two extra (private) WRC cars vs Michelin/Pirelli money ...

[itix]

Not sure how much sway M-Sport will have with the WRC when they will have 4 full Manufacturer Teams in the 2017 Ch'ship.

Two extra (private) WRC cars vs Michelin/Pirelli money ...
It'd be insanely short sighted of the promoter to take that money as I am sure that they know this situation with 4 manufacturers is not going to last forever.

I fear however that they are exactly that... Short sighted. :/

[Jack4688`]

the WRC is as invisible as ever!

I agree 100%, however Citroen somehow see it differently...

As bloody usual I can't find the story I read on the web anywhere but in a piece about the new C3 or possibly general future Citroen stuff (I'm struggling to remember what made me interested in reading some Shitroen news in the first place) Xavier Peugeot (I think) said something about WRC giving them the presence they need as a brand to appeal to young people etc etc marketing bullshit etc vomit etc.

Surely World RX is better for that right now than WRC and looks like remaining so for a long time yet?

[GravelBen]

Maybe it depends where you live, here in NZ the WRC has the highest profile its had in years (thanks largely to Hayden Paddon). Still nothing compared to rugby or cricket, but every WRC round does make it onto mainstream sports news to some extent.

I don't think RX does have a higher profile either to be honest - most casually interested people I know (the sort who will see the occasional news article or highlights on tv but not be following times and updates during events or discussing it on forums) know what rallying and WRC is, but if I mentioned rallycross they'd say 'whats that?'

[Jack4688`]

Yeah when I was in NZ back in April Paddon's win made the evening news - pretty sure that didn't happen when Meeke got his first win. I caught Portugal RX at a perfectly sociable time mid week too.

What do my fellow brits think? Since 2003 I think WRC coverage/exposure has been on a decline and probably troughed - most likely because there's no longer a McRae or Burns about which to get excited.

RX on the other hand has live coverage, and very good coverage too, at the same sort of time on a Sunday that people will happily watch an F1 Grand Procession. Sustain that promotion for a few years and petrolheads that aren't necessarily RX fans will be converted - I personally didn't get it until this year and have totally been convinced it's worrh making sure I watch every race weekend.

As AndyRAC put it WRC Promoter has done the square root of bugger all.

[rallyfiend]

I agree 100%, however Citroen somehow see it differently...

As bloody usual I can't find the story I read on the web anywhere but in a piece about the new C3 or possibly general future Citroen stuff (I'm struggling to remember what made me interested in reading some Shitroen news in the first place) Xavier Peugeot (I think) said something about WRC giving them the presence they need as a brand to appeal to young people etc etc marketing bullshit etc vomit etc.

Surely World RX is better for that right now than WRC and looks like remaining so for a long time yet?

There is no way that RX is providing better value or exposure than WRC.

Hell, RX barely even gets covered in actual motorsport publications like Autosport.

[tomhlord]

There is no way that RX is providing better value or exposure than WRC.

Hell, RX barely even gets covered in actual motorsport publications like Autosport.

Agreed.

RX has done very well in a small amount of time however.

[Martins Tolks]

Would not agree about RX. It gains popularity very rapidly. Easy to follow (2 hours on sunday), quite nice media coverage (a lot of live tv), has big names now on board. And it appeals to young generation too, so quite a perspective for next few years.

[Franky]

The sad reality is that WRC is relatively unknown to majority of the public. RX is as known as cross-country skiing. Those who know it, know it. Others got no idea.

Is there any hard data available about the viewership of RX?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

World RX has grown the rallycross profile greatly, but it was starting from pretty much zero.

But I doubt there are very many 'big' rallycross fans compared to WRC/rally fans.

I watched World RX quite avidly in 2014 & 2015 but my interest has already faded.

WRC has soooo much more to it ... RX is so basic in comparison and just doesnt have the depth. The 2016 RX Season is not holding my attention any more.

[6789]

3 days of sweeping seems excessive http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125287/vw-boss-warns-ogier-could-quit-over-rules

[Lousada]

The sad reality is that WRC is relatively unknown to majority of the public. RX is as known as cross-country skiing. Those who know it, know it. Others got no idea.

Is there any hard data available about the viewership of RX?

You can compare YouTube views I suppose. Even though WRX is made for this kind of thing, and the promotors invest heavily in social media, their videos only attract a few thousand viewers. There are users on this forum who have more YouTube subscribers...

Rallycross already has the star power with Loeb, Solberg, Ekström and Block. I think this moment right now will be seen as the height of driver quality in Rallycross. I don't see how they can grow much above this. They can bring the sport to more countries thus widening the fanbase, but I don't see them deepening the fanbase in the traditional countries.

[Lousada]

3 days of sweeping seems excessive http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125287/vw-boss-warns-ogier-could-quit-over-rules

Bleh, the rallysport will survive if Ogier retires. However it won't survive if every cry-baby can demand rule-changes when things don't go exactly their way.

[Franky]

You can compare YouTube views I suppose. Even though WRX is made for this kind of thing, and the promotors invest heavily in social media, their videos only attract a few thousand viewers.

Youtube views are the most useless statistics of them all as long as you don't know the amount of viewed minutes.

[Simmi]

3 days of sweeping seems excessive http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125287/vw-boss-warns-ogier-could-quit-over-rules

I don't think we'll see this - but the fact that some corners of the sport/governing body are pushing for it is ridiculous. Can't say I have any confidence in anyone involved in the sport at the top level.

[rallyfiend]

There's probably a bit of games going on here.

Suggest somethings worse, and maybe the current system seems OK...

[macebig]

Goodbye and good riddance. And if you may take those VW cheaters with you, please.

[Barreis]

3 days of sweeping seems excessive http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125287/vw-boss-warns-ogier-could-quit-over-rules

Female side of men is getting stronger and stronger. Capito (and paying drivers) can go this moment, he doesn't belong to this sport. But Ogier, he's the best at the moment...

[Lundefaret]

Push from FIA to have the championship leader running in front for three days?!

Well, as they say: That escalated quickly :)

Ogier is the benchmark, it would be very sad if he decided to quit.
And as I have written earlier, in this case Capito acts as a hand puppet for Ogier, and I am quite sure that the moment Ogier understands that he has no chance of beating all of Loebs records, there is a big chance of him quitting.
He basically has nothing left to prove except that. And I also fully understand his frustration on the two-day-sweeping rule. All tough he still will be champion, he is in it to win it - and by that I mean EVERY rally - and he doesnt see that that very same rule is the same advantage on tarmac, as it is a disadvantage on gravel. Because he doesnt need an advantage on tarmac to win, but he needs a lesser disadvantage on gravel.
But, no matter how it turns out, 2017 will still be an incredible rally season!

[N.O.T]

Ogier is not going anywhere no matter the rules.... try and grow a brain all of you who believe everything.

[AL14]

Come on guys, it's clear that it is a big bluff...

[wrc1600]

Loeb used to sweep roads most of his career and managed to win 9 titles.

[dimviii]

Acropolis Rally
Colin McRae (above) completed a hat-trick at the Greek classic in a Ford Focus RS after winning in Argentina and Cyprus. He shrugged off the disadvantage of starting first for two days on slippery gravel, while Richard Burns slowed at the end of each leg to ensure cleaner roads and better grip for the following day. Burns’ tactics failed and McRae led from the end of the opening leg to win by 49sec from Petter Solberg.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july-2016/2001-flashback/page/3718--12-12-.html

[stefanvv]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july-2016/2001-flashback/page/3718--12-12-.html

Yeah right. 8 manufacturer teams with 3 drivers most of them, among them few champions. Do the math.....

[stefanvv]

Loeb used to sweep roads most of his career and managed to win 9 titles.


Actually order changes in 2002 were in his favor.

[smsgrafica]

Who cares what Loeb did and under which rules. It's just that todays rules are wrong for the sport. You all talk about Ogier and how he shouldn't complain, but he does it only because he's at the top at the moment.

Wouldn't it be funny if the rules changed to 3-day-sweep and Citroen built the best car, but Meeke couldn't win because of unfair rules?

Imagine a 4-way last rally fight for the Championship, with let's say Ostberg winning it all because he started 4th...

Would you be pleased with that?

[SubaruNorway]

Where has anyone said anything about sweeping for 3 days? That came out of the blue...


Would not agree about RX. It gains popularity very rapidly. Easy to follow (2 hours on sunday), quite nice media coverage (a lot of live tv), has big names now on board. And it appeals to young generation too, so quite a perspective for next few years.

It's only an hour of Live in WRX, WRC usually has 3 hours now. When you've watched a couple of seasons of RX it gets boring for us WRC fans i think since we are used to more variation.

[stefanvv]

Who cares what Loeb did and under which rules.

Nobody. I'm little tired reading the same all over again.


It's just that todays rules are wrong for the sport.

Yes, they are. 3 days sweeping are even more, though with current length of the final day seems less important. Ogier won't get as many PS points as he wishes though.

[N.O.T]

Actually order changes in 2002 were in his favor.

7.8

http://i.imgur.com/EIlInpG.jpg

[N.O.T]

Who cares what Loeb did and under which rules. It's just that todays rules are wrong for the sport. You all talk about Ogier and how he shouldn't complain, but he does it only because he's at the top at the moment.

Wouldn't it be funny if the rules changed to 3-day-sweep and Citroen built the best car, but Meeke couldn't win because of unfair rules?

Imagine a 4-way last rally fight for the Championship, with let's say Ostberg winning it all because he started 4th...

Would you be pleased with that?

If we start imagining things it would be really fun...

[stefanvv]

7.8

Right:D

[BicioWrc]

In My opinion solution is very simple: Championship order first day and reverse top15 for following 2 days....this will give small disadvantage to the leader of the champ without preclude him possibility to fight for the win; more will give also more interest to Live stages on tv of saturday that will have already reverse order (same for us following split times in live) and same on sunday.
I don't see really bad points using this system....i don't understand as their don't do it. If i'm blind and in real you guys see some bad points in my proposal...i'm open to discuss:)

[stefanvv]

In My opinion solution is very simple: Championship order first day and reverse top15 for following 2 days....this will give small disadvantage to the leader of the champ without preclude him possibility to fight for the win; more will give also more interest to Live stages on tv of saturday that will have already reverse order (same for us following split times in live) and same on sunday.
I don't see really bad points using this system....i don't understand as their don't do it. If i'm blind and in real you guys see some bad points in my proposal...i'm open to discuss:)

There is no perfect system, but this one and QS are close to it. I personally prefer QS as the driver carries his own responsibility for choosing the starting position.

[andyone]

Guys in short. Ogier is Better than any driver at the current WRC list. and to be honest One driver winning every rally doesn't make it Exiting. not knowing who will win this race is quite good for the sport. reality is Ogier is the Fastest no driver can challenge Ogier in the same conditions. so i think they should keep this rule, so we can have some good racing. and let the Best one Win.

[dimviii]

Yeah right. 8 manufacturer teams with 3 drivers most of them, among them few champions. Do the math.....

i ve do the math,thats why it was more difficult to win when sweep the road,among 3-4 champions.
and without moaning...

[stefanvv]

i ve do the math,thats why it was more difficult to win when sweep the road,among 3-4 champions.
and without moaning...


Your math is wrong. Road position is not I was writing for. It is the championship value 2001-2016 to make such comparisons in this article.

[COD]

3 days of sweeping seems excessive http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125287/vw-boss-warns-ogier-could-quit-over-rules

He should quit, crybaby

[dimviii]

Your math is wrong. Road position is not I was writing for. It is the championship value 2001-2016 to make such comparisons in this article.


comparison between value of championships? are you kidding?

[stefanvv]

comparison between value of championships? are you kidding?

no. wrc.com is.

[dimviii]

no. wrc.com is.

i dont see any comparison for these years vs last years at the article.

[stefanvv]

:rolleyes:

[Mk2 RS2000]

Here is a suggestion which is based on the New Zealand Rally Championship start order

Leg One: Drivers will be seeded by:

(1) At Round 1 (Rallye Monte Carlo) only, the first five (5) start order positions will be reserved for competitors placed in the first five (5) of the previous years Championship and will be seeded on merit. These first five (5) competitors will select their road position:
(a) The highest seeded Driver shall select a start order first from the five (5) positions available, then
(b) The next highest seeded Driver shall select a start order from the remaining available positions, and so in descending order until the five (5) positions are selected.

(2) At subsequent Rounds, the start order shall be determined at the Pre-Start ceremony as follows:
(a) The first five (5) start order positions shall be made up of the five (5) competitors ranked highest in the Championship at the start of each Round. These first five (5) competitors will select their road position:
(i) The highest ranked Driver shall select a start order first from the five (5) positions available, then
(ii) The next highest ranked Driver shall select a start order from the remaining available positions, and so on in descending order until the five (5) positions are selected.
(b) The remainder of the field shall then be seeded as a group on merit.

For subsequent Legs of all rounds: Drivers will be seeded by:

(3) The highest placed competitor in the event will be seeded first on the road followed by the remainder of the field seeded based on their results from the previous Leg/s.


The alternative would be to reverse seed the WRC field for the subsequent legs but that would have to be consistent for both gravel and tarmac events

[er88]

Really don't see why they are making it such a big drama about the running order rules. Simplest and easiest way is to just run the championship leader as the 1st car on the first day of events. Then reverse order for day 2 and that pathetic excuse of a 3rd "day".

With the way rallies are nowadays that means the championship leader is only at a huge disadvantage for basically 3 or 4 full stages before the 2nd pass in the afternoon (although I accept the lines will be a bit off considering all the lesser cars/drivers passing through too).

The fairest way is the qualifying like we had a few years ago, but I didn't really feel like that had much place in the sport. Just a personal opinion due to the fact that since I've followed the WRC in the last 15yrs or so, the championship leader has mostly been the first car off the start line.

Hate the current rules.

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[GravelBen]

In My opinion solution is very simple: Championship order first day and reverse top15 for following 2 days....this will give small disadvantage to the leader of the champ without preclude him possibility to fight for the win; more will give also more interest to Live stages on tv of saturday that will have already reverse order (same for us following split times in live) and same on sunday.
I don't see really bad points using this system....i don't understand as their don't do it. If i'm blind and in real you guys see some bad points in my proposal...i'm open to discuss:)

Reverse order always seems a bit illogical to me - in a point-to-point race with cars starting together the car leading the event would always be the first on the road. Reversing the running order with the intention of giving the leading cars more of an advantage than they already have (on some dry gravel rallies) seems quite contrived. I'm not sure why you think it would add interest to live stages?

I can see the sense in only running Championship order for day 1, but I'd prefer they use rally leaderboard order for the rest of the event instead of playing reverse order games.

Qualifying stages have some merit, but as far as I remember they always used very short stages for qualifying, which can give an advantage to some drivers who are better at short stages over drivers who do better on longer stages.

Of course there is also the point that whatever road position is an advantage on loose dry gravel is a disadvantage on wet tarmac with mud being dragged onto the road, or where there is hanging dust, or roads getting more rough and rocky with each car...

[N.O.T]

kids can you please stop crying and grow a pair ?

the rules are the same for everyone even if they are not fair they apply to everyone.

[RAS007]

Push from FIA to have the championship leader running in front for three days?!

Well, as they say: That escalated quickly :)

Ogier is the benchmark, it would be very sad if he decided to quit.
And as I have written earlier, in this case Capito acts as a hand puppet for Ogier, and I am quite sure that the moment Ogier understands that he has no chance of beating all of Loebs records, there is a big chance of him quitting.
He basically has nothing left to prove except that. And I also fully understand his frustration on the two-day-sweeping rule. All tough he still will be champion, he is in it to win it - and by that I mean EVERY rally - and he doesnt see that that very same rule is the same advantage on tarmac, as it is a disadvantage on gravel. Because he doesnt need an advantage on tarmac to win, but he needs a lesser disadvantage on gravel.
But, no matter how it turns out, 2017 will still be an incredible rally season!

He could always try, gasp!, switching to another team, try winning in another car. That used to be a thing.

[Simmi]

Day 1: Championship order (no brainer)
Day 2: Rally order (let's try for a season and see how they work this out with no split times)
Day 3: Reverse top 10/15 order (TV-focused throwaway leg/who cares)

Anyone with an amazing road position and speed on day one gets penalised on day two. Anyone who gets banged with road sweeping on day one should have a better position on day two. In theory it should even out. Then reverse order gives a level playing field if we get a final day shoot-out. You also don't need a degree in mathematics to understand it.

[aykutbilir]

Not sure anyone mentioned but Hyundai officially annouced Sordo is out for Finland and Abrring as expected in..


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[Zeakiwi]

Suggested rally start order. Monte Carlo - start seedings from previous year's WRC, and day finishing order.
Round 2 -Day 1 - Marble from hat from Championship order for first 10 WRC cars. (Might mix things up get younger drivers directly behind Ogier etc to learn his lines and braking points.)
Day 2 - Marble from hat for first 10 on order of day 1 stage times.
Day 3 - Run on order after day2
or alternatively run 3 high hp 0 ,00 , 000 cars through to remove gravel/ snow before stage start..

[GravelBen]

or alternatively run 3 high hp 0 ,00 , 000 cars through to remove gravel/ snow before stage start..

Ogier would still complain that their lines aren't good enough for him.

The marble draw idea could work, mixes things up a bit and means no driver can claim to be unfairly affected by the rule.

[leighton323]

Ogier would still complain that their lines aren't good enough for him.

The marble draw idea could work, mixes things up a bit and means no driver can claim to be unfairly affected by the rule.
Any sport where you have Marble draw decreases the sports integrity. It's the World Rally Championship. Its not a club 'fun' event, it's the pinnacle of the sport.

[Barreis]

I vote for current way. This will give Ogier at least four or five wins/season and others can share the rest. If they change it, VW boys will have more then 10 wins/season and maybe something for the others. Not interesting.

[bowler]

or alternatively run 3 high hp 0 ,00 , 000 cars through to remove gravel/ snow before stage start..
The zero cars have a job to do, so that would require additional cars to run though. I'm not sure where they would come from. The lines that Ogier takes are different to most other drivers, therefore there is no clearing done until lots of cars have gone through.

[Ross99]

I vote for current way. This will give Ogier at least four or five wins/season and others can share the rest. If they change it, VW boys will have more then 10 wins/season and maybe something for the others. Not interesting.
It's completely unfair, but I actually agree. Seeing people other than Ogier win rallies, has made me fall in love with WRC again.

[Toyoda]

Day 1: Championship order (no brainer)
Day 2: Rally order (let's try for a season and see how they work this out with no split times)
Day 3: Reverse top 10/15 order (TV-focused throwaway leg/who cares)

Anyone with an amazing road position and speed on day one gets penalised on day two. Anyone who gets banged with road sweeping on day one should have a better position on day two. In theory it should even out. Then reverse order gives a level playing field if we get a final day shoot-out. You also don't need a degree in mathematics to understand it.

This has a lot of merit, but it was tried a while back? even without splits it may throw up some silly go slow tactics?. I still like the shootout after Shakedown, was always a great start to the rally, although it needs to a representative stage, non micky-mouse or tarmac on a gravel rally.

[Simmi]

This has a lot of merit, but it was tried a while back? even without splits it may throw up some silly go slow tactics?. I still like the shootout after Shakedown, was always a great start to the rally, although it needs to a representative stage, non micky-mouse or tarmac on a gravel rally.

Yeah it was the slowing tactics and teams' over manipulation that killed it before. But like I said there are no splits nowadays and so drivers wouldn't know whether others had backed off or pushed on. And you'd never get the case where a co-driver is counting down a driver into the finish. It would be gambling and guesswork.

That's why I said for a season it might be interesting to see. They were doing all this stuff in the late nineties/early 2000s which is seen as one of the golden periods of the sport. So I think it's worth another look.

[stefanvv]

This has a lot of merit, but it was tried a while back? even without splits it may throw up some silly go slow tactics?

Of course. 2001 Cyprus/Acropolis at least. No need for splits when someone outside near stage end can show a board with the time to lose.

[Simmi]

Of course. 2001 Cyprus/Acropolis at least. No need for splits when someone outside near stage end can show a board with the time to lose.

That's now against the regulations.

[macebig]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/2016/index.php/gr/gr-menu-home/24-root-greek/gr-cat-menu-media/gr-cat-menu-media-deltia/286-wrc Acropolis will try to return to WRC next year.

[dimviii]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125345/tyres-could-peg-back-wrc-2017-speed-increase

[GigiGalliNo1]

If Greece comes back, I'm going 100%!

[GigiGalliNo1]

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com.au&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.acropolisrally.gr/2016/index.php/gr/gr-menu-home/24-root-greek/gr-cat-menu-media/gr-cat-menu-media-deltia/286-wrc&usg=ALkJrhjpqPwzS9kCwtLqa59NzcFrNaEHag

[tommeke_B]

If Greece comes back, I'm going 100%!

Better than going half... :)

[Mk2 RS2000]

If Greece comes back, I'm going 100%!

Taking N.O.T. with you as photographers assistant?

[N.O.T]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/2016/index.php/gr/gr-menu-home/24-root-greek/gr-cat-menu-media/gr-cat-menu-media-deltia/286-wrc Acropolis will try to return to WRC next year.

I might even consider visiting if the stages are proper.

I think it is time for the organiser to impose a ticket for the whole event, not something retarded like the british and their bogey times but something that will be both cheap for everyone to follow but also to bring some much needed funds to the organisers. I would say 20 euros for all three days including service park access and the SSS or 5 euros per day without access to service and the SSS. they can have 5 euro tickets for the SSS (for all the times that is going to run) and just the service for each day.

[N.O.T]

Taking N.O.T. with you as photographers assistant?

I can point him to all the hairpins he wants.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Errrrrrrrrrrr

[GigiGalliNo1]

Well maybe... If they're dusty and rocky!!! :D

[N.O.T]

Well maybe... If they're dusty and rocky!!! :D

well most pro photographers have no clue about the sport, i have never seen a single pro photographer being in a spot that offers any proper action (apart from some jumps that are well known to every pleb in the world).

you are worthless 99.9% of you, your skills at post processing and getting the colours right and everything is really good but when it comes to the actual sport you are literally garbage, and the sad thing is the older you get the more garbage you become, i have seen some photographers who are granpas waiting for mr death to come any moment and they occupy the most useless generic spots in the history of generic spots. I have no explanation for it.

[Rallyper]

If Greece comes back, I'm going 100%!

Will Loutraki be the HQ again?

[tommeke_B]

well most pro photographers have no clue about the sport, i have never seen a single pro photographer being in a spot that offers any proper action (apart from some jumps that are well known to every pleb in the world).

you are worthless 99.9% of you, your skills at post processing and getting the colours right and everything is really good but when it comes to the actual sport you are literally garbage, and the sad thing is the older you get the more garbage you become, i have seen some photographers who are granpas waiting for mr death to come any moment and they occupy the most useless generic spots in the history of generic spots. I have no explanation for it.

Well, there was Richard Balint who I've often seen on interesting places (try to google WRC face to face, he made some yearbooks which were really nice). He knew how to make and edit great photos, for me he was probably the best WRC photographer. Anyone who knows what happened to him? It seems like he stopped last year, I think a year after he started working together with André Lavadinho...

But I do agree that many of the professional photographers have no clue about rallying, and that's not just about picking the places to shoot their photos. I've been standing next to plenty of WRC photographers, some do like to talk as if they know everything and have all inside info (that inside info often comes from inside their own head I think). Once I was next to one who didn't understand that 208 (R2) and DS3 (R3) are not the same category... A few years ago I was a bit envious against those WRC photographers, travelling the world and having one of the greatest jobs. But during last years I've seen enough. Travelling with 4 in one car, all going to the same media point together (usually to end up with similar photos), then discussing where to go to eat (obviously where it's for free, at some media lounge of a WRC team, or where it's very cheap, like some mc donalds) all 4 together... If the job would properly pay for them, they obviously wouldn't all travel together and compromise in terms of photo quality and own comfort.

[N.O.T]

Will Loutraki be the HQ again?

no

[N.O.T]

Well, there was Richard Balint who I've often seen on interesting places (try to google WRC face to face, he made some yearbooks which were really nice). He knew how to make and edit great photos, for me he was probably the best WRC photographer. Anyone who knows what happened to him? It seems like he stopped last year, I think a year after he started working together with André Lavadinho...

But I do agree that many of the professional photographers have no clue about rallying, and that's not just about picking the places to shoot their photos. I've been standing next to plenty of WRC photographers, some do like to talk as if they know everything and have all inside info (that inside info often comes from inside their own head I think). Once I was next to one who didn't understand that 208 (R2) and DS3 (R3) are not the same category... A few years ago I was a bit envious against those WRC photographers, travelling the world and having one of the greatest jobs. But during last years I've seen enough. Travelling with 4 in one car, all going to the same media point together (usually to end up with similar photos), then discussing where to go to eat (obviously where it's for free, at some media lounge of a WRC team, or where it's very cheap, like some mc donalds) all 4 together... If the job would properly pay for them, they obviously wouldn't all travel together and compromise in terms of photo quality and own comfort.

The worst thing is that they do not seem to be passionate about the sport itself, they do not do any recce of the stages they are going to visit, probably to keep the cost low, i doubt they earn a living if they are not affiliated with an agency like Giggigallino1 who is affiliated with a VERY WELL KNOWN ONE and he is the big boss in there.

Its a pity because their post processing is trully phenomenal at least on a few of them, but this is rallying, i want to see action not mountains,sunsets and flowers and abandoned houses and tanks (since germany is closing by). Maybe its because the turned a hobby into a job and got fed up with it.

[Simmi]

On the subject of photography this was posted last week about Colin (McKlein) McMaster. Some people might find it interesting - http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/colin_mcmaster_on_shooting_rallying_and_rallycross .do?utm_content=buffere5ab0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[N.O.T]

On the subject of photography this was posted last week about Colin (McKlein) McMaster. Some people might find it interesting - http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/colin_mcmaster_on_shooting_rallying_and_rallycross .do?utm_content=buffere5ab0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

beautiful shots artistically but the guy is clueless at choosing a spot, will anyone remember the photo of tanak between the confetti in a years time ? let alone 10.

They are not rally photographers, they are wedding photographers who like to travel.

[Mariusz]

beautiful shots artistically but the guy is clueless at choosing a spot, will anyone remember the photo of tanak between the confetti in a years time ? let alone 10.

They are not rally photographers, they are wedding photographers who like to travel.
I never liked Colin's wedding photography. Too much pace...

[AL14]

The worst thing is that they do not seem to be passionate about the sport itself

I think this is a problem also for other professional around WRC. Starting with the misterious people behind WRC+ and the ones behind live coverage and so on.
I think only the radio guys are a bit involved in what they are talking about (even if they can improve as well).

[N.O.T]

I think this is a problem also for other professional around WRC. Starting with the misterious people behind WRC+ and the ones behind live coverage and so on.
I think only the radio guys are a bit involved in what they are talking about (even if they can improve as well).

the WRC+ guys and the TV guys are a disgrace as employees... they deserve to be on the dole, it is a cruel thing to say and i would never say such a thing for anyone on a serious note, but these guys are just the reincarnation of incopmetence.

[dimviii]

I think only the radio guys are a bit involved in what they are talking about (even if they can improve as well).

same clueless too.

[N.O.T]

same clueless too.

The radio guys are like civil servants for the WRC, the service they provide is needed (especially the end stage interviews) but the way they do it is unattractive and boring, i stopped listening around 5-6 years ago maybe more i cannot remember since the only reason was the end stage interviews but since we get these through rally-base now there is no need for that ear pollution.

[Franky]

Just as a side note. Maybe this photo/video talk should be split from the News & Rumours thread?

I agree that most people filming professionally rallying are pretty useless at it. It's like everyone can film something, yet only a few are capable of creating films with stunning cinematography. I haven't filmed any rally since 2014 Finland - the rally where last of my gear got destroyed. So instead filming I spent the time spectating and guiding my friend, who was completely rookie at filming rallies, tho he had decent filming experience.

It took 2 days to get the shot to look nice and we didn't even get to discussing what spots are best for filming as I was busy attempting to kill my second GoPro and taking 360 photos on film.

I go on and on about TV as that's my field of work, but the short answer is that there really aren't many rally fans who could make the step to the pro level. So in a way it's a lose-lose scenario. One thing I liked in the McMaster article was that local and national events are good practice grounds. Practice makes perfect or what's the saying.

[N.O.T]

Just as a side note. Maybe this photo/video talk should be split from the News & Rumours thread?

I agree that most people filming professionally rallying are pretty useless at it. It's like everyone can film something, yet only a few are capable of creating films with stunning cinematography. I haven't filmed any rally since 2014 Finland - the rally where last of my gear got destroyed. So instead filming I spent the time spectating and guiding my friend, who was completely rookie at filming rallies, tho he had decent filming experience.

It took 2 days to get the shot to look nice and we didn't even get to discussing what spots are best for filming as I was busy attempting to kill my second GoPro and taking 360 photos on film.

I go on and on about TV as that's my field of work, but the short answer is that there really aren't many rally fans who could make the step to the pro level. So in a way it's a lose-lose scenario. One thing I liked in the McMaster article was that local and national events are good practice grounds. Practice makes perfect or what's the saying.

we had a german guy Darkstar many years back i think but he disappeared (check youtube his work was amazing), amateur filmographers like KKS, bunnings and rallymedia.nl should be hired as advisors to the WRC TV crews.

[AL14]

same clueless too.

I think this is a bit too harsh. I guess I know what you mean to say. Me for example, I would like to listen to some proper analysis of what is going on during the rally by highly competent people but still I think they are more competent than other collegues on other fields and at least you can see/listen they care about the sport and actually like it.

[AL14]

According to rumors Kubica could be back in a rally car At Rally Coppa Città di Lucca (Tuscany) with a Clio S1600 this weekend.
:)

[marcosg]

According to rumors Kubica could be back in a rally car At Rally Coppa Città di Lucca (Tuscany) with a Clio S1600 this weekend.
:)
will they change gearing system?

[AL14]

will they change gearing system?

What I wrote is all I know. I will keep you up to date if I discover more.
Please consider it is just a rumor and I am not certain about the source. :)

[AL14]

It seems it is true Kubica will enter the rally but nothing is official because he has to get the approval for the different gearing system.

[Red bull]

Another rumour. WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Ford confirms rumuors of rumors Ford may consider factory team return to #WRC in 2018, #rallyDR reports

[GigiGalliNo1]

Kubica said he's not coming back to WRC, he's just having a good weekend in the Clio.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Another rumour. WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Ford confirms rumuors of rumors Ford may consider factory team return to #WRC in 2018, #rallyDR reports

What the......?http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160720/ec020720bf9285491a10872664392c32.png

[Simmi]

Who even is this person and why should we trust them? I guess just make a mental note of it and see what percentage comes true.

[Simmi]

So I'm trying to make complete sense of the main WRC story in Motorsport News today. The main point is that there will not be any kind of separate championship or cup for 2016 machinery next year.

First quote kind of threw me off. Jarno Mahonen: "We want to encourage privateer drivers to come in the current (2017) cars."

But I thought that no privateers would be allowed to run 2017 machinery next year? It seems that is not the case. It seems that instead privateer entries must be sanctioned by the governing body, the same way the drivers must now be. So I take that to mean that in theory someone like PH Sport could run a team in 2017 with new cars, IF there were enough cars to go around.

It seems that the FIA have still not made any kind of decision on how exactly to run the 2016 cars. But there's no way they can be banned until after 2018. So we will certainly see them in some capacity. "We cant stop privateers from using these current cars."

They just seem very concerned about negatively impacting R5. Mahonen speaks about this. But for me it's just the next step on the ladder, not something that will take interest away from R5.

[Simmi]

Also the control tyre is not happening in 2017 - confirmed by the FIA. But Dmack are still asking for clarity on what is happening for 2018. McCormack is saying they have 'significant investment coming and big plans for the future'. So understandably don't want to do that if they will be forced out in 2018. They have no interest in tendering to be control tyre supplier.

Mahonen admits the reason for looking at a control tyre is financially motivated, and also giving them greater control over the type of tyre/grip available.

All I would say to that is get back in your box Jarmo!

[EstWRC]

ahhh, thanks! At least Tänak wont be without job next year if he cant get to another team. Its a stupid idea anyway....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What is the big deal with 'what will the privateers drive in 2017' ? None of them can compete against the main WRC teams anyway.

If they can afford a 2017 WRC the likes of Prokop, Bertelli, Solberg etc still wont be competitive.

They should just enjoy their 2016 cars and unofficially compete with each other (as they do now).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What was the said in the main story in MN regarding VW predicting a fight to stay on top ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn0roIDWAAA7cHx.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

What is the big deal with 'what will the privateers drive in 2017' ? None of them can compete against the main WRC teams anyway.

If they can afford a 2017 WRC the likes of Prokop, Bertelli, Solberg etc still wont be competitive.

They should just enjoy their 2016 cars and unofficially compete with each other (as they do now).

It's a safety "issue" they say, don't think any of the privateers are more accident prone than any other really, more the other way around when you don't have to care so much about the car. When was the last time Prokop had a big crash...?

[Simmi]

It's a safety "issue" they say, don't think any of the privateers are more accident prone than any other really, more the other way around when you don't have to care so much about the car. When was the last time Prokop had a big crash...?

This is where the confusion lies because it hasn't been clearly communicated by the FIA - likely because they had no idea what they were doing.

I don't think anyone has ever actually said: Martin Prokop, Solberg, Bertelli etc - you can't drive a 2017 WRC car. That's just something that has been assumed due to lack of proper regs or information. Really I think the FIA just don't want some young teenager or some old dentist to be able to drive a 2017 car. They've made a rule that they don't really understand or know how to enforce. Creating a problem where there wasn't one.

[pantealex]

What is the big deal with 'what will the privateers drive in 2017' ? None of them can compete against the main WRC teams anyway.

If they can afford a 2017 WRC the likes of Prokop, Bertelli, Solberg etc still wont be competitive.

They should just enjoy their 2016 cars and unofficially compete with each other (as they do now).

Tänak?
VW2?
HyundaiN?

Who will decide which are factory teams?

What is the difference between DMackWRT and FuckmatieWRT as a team?
Both are run by M-Sport.

For me it´s more than OK that there will be old and new WRC´s competing

[MM WRC]

There was never a plan to ban private-run 2017 WRC cars. FIA's plan was to restrict the drivers who are allowed to drive those cars. Tänak, Prokop, Solberg and even Bertelli are actually good drivers, so no problem for them to get the cars. FIA just doesn't want people like Al-Qassimi(s), Al-Rajhi, and Eurolamp Mini drivers to have them. Though it's not sure whether there will be enough 2017s for privateers in less than six months.

[AndyRAC]

This is where the confusion lies because it hasn't been clearly communicated by the FIA - likely because they had no idea what they were doing.


So no change there then. They seem to be making it up as they go along. Somebody thought new 2017 cars was a good idea - so introduced them, but forgot all the other details...

[Franky]

There was never a plan to ban private-run 2017 WRC cars. FIA's plan was to restrict the drivers who are allowed to drive those cars. Tänak, Prokop, Solberg and even Bertelli are actually good drivers, so no problem for them to get the cars. FIA just doesn't want people like Al-Qassimi(s), Al-Rajhi, and Eurolamp Mini drivers to have them. Though it's not sure whether there will be enough 2017s for privateers in less than six months.

Hmm, Bertelli better than Al-Rahji?

[N.O.T]

There was never a plan to ban private-run 2017 WRC cars. FIA's plan was to restrict the drivers who are allowed to drive those cars. Tänak, Prokop, Solberg and even Bertelli are actually good drivers, so no problem for them to get the cars. FIA just doesn't want people like Al-Qassimi(s), Al-Rajhi, and Eurolamp Mini drivers to have them. Though it's not sure whether there will be enough 2017s for privateers in less than six months.

Prokop and Bertelli good drivers ? How do you sleep at night ?

[Morte66]

well most pro photographers have no clue about the sport

I think this doesn't just apply to rally...

I am also a fan of ballet dancing (yes, really), and the filming of ballet is just as bad. They cut to headshots during intricate footwork, they do close-ups when they need to show the flow of dancers across the stage, they edit at 8 second intervals rather than when one move finishes and another starts. The closest thing I've seen to good filming of dance is amateur parkour videos on Youtube, because that's filmed by people who appreciate the subject.

I think that professional photographers/videographers are people with no particular interst in the subject. They'll be on a rally today, a tennis match tomorrow, a wedding next weekend, tins of soup in dramatic lighting for an ad agency after that... And their editors are the same, so nobody tells them they're doing anything wrong.

The only think I can think of that might improve things is for groups of enthusiasts to get together and deposit stills/video into an editing pool. [Which does happen sometimes, I think.]

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125378/vw-close-to-finalising-2017-wrc-car-spec

[er88]

Msport and Hyundai are going to be really pushed for time aren't they? Hyundai could be back in the position they were in 2014 with a car that isn't a match for VW/ the new Citroën.

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[dimviii]

Anttilas interview
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/index.php?id=1079&L=1#c61972