[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

[Andre Oliveira]

I laugh reading some things about Latvala :) Well, good not much internet in times of McRae cause we could "kill" our beloved GOD.

We are fans, we should like the speed, the crashes, the emotion of one guy that lives rally, bread rally every time.

[Rallyper]

RallyPer has a case of the Stockholm Syndrome :)

However that doesn´t explain my close relation to NRF. ;)

[AL14]

Lappi was still under contract of Škoda and it was before he become WRC2 champion with Škoda.

Sure. I understand it.
But they could have easily said that a driver had signed.

And also journalists. Where are they? lol are they waiting for official press releases? I would like to know who pay them lol, I want to work there as well.

[stefanvv]

Sure. I understand it.
But they could have easily said that a driver had signed.

And also journalists. Where are they? lol are they waiting for official press releases? I would like to know who pay them lol, I want to work there as well.

Look at Per's post at wrc testing thread. Probably he is right 90%.

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRC Promoter are heading to NZ this weekend to have talks with organizers as well as heading to Japan to discuss a return there.

Also, VW are continuing their 2017 car testing as Sven Smeets mentioned to media a few times during Rally Australia

[pantealex]

13.12 is TGR press day, they probably will not say anything before it.

I don´t believe that any team has announced anything same day they signed it.

and as said: Before Ogier makes his choice, no deals for others will be signed.

(That Lappi deal could have been made months ago, 100% sure not after VW´s announcemed)

[PLuto]

13.12 is TGR press day, they probably will not say anything before it.

I don´t believe that any team has announced anything same day they signed it.

and as said: Before Ogier makes his choice, no deals for others will be signed.

(That Lappi deal could have been made months ago, 100% sure not after VW´s announcemed)

Lappi's deal was made few months ago. Question is if it was on paper or only verbally...

[dimviii]

Julien changed his facebook photo without vw badges,but left the redbull ones? is he trying to show something?

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_11_2016/post-1072-0-04149000-1479905425.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Red Bull is personal sponsor. Only a photoshop clean of VW logo. 4 stars of 4 championships of (co)drivers. Nothing special

[liposh]

I want to believe :D

[giu canbera]

RedBull World Rally Team I BELIEVE haha
With Ogier and Nasser Al-Attiyah

[Andre Oliveira]

No one at Toyota test today?

[AL14]

when will be the last day to enter the rally montecarlo?

[Andre Oliveira]

December 16th. Don't know date of manufacter entries number one nomination date

[RS]

It would be nice to see a private team (BRR?) run the 2016 Polos, still with support from Red Bull and name it 'Red Bull Rally Academy' or something similar. They could give a home to upcoming drivers as a step between WRC2 and the new WRCars.

[Rally Power]

RedBull World Rally Team I BELIEVE haha
With Ogier and Nasser Al-Attiyah

Yep, a RB WRT scenario seems to be a nice way to keep silly season exciting for a couple of weeks more! Probably it wouldn’t involve a change of rules (MSport isn’t a manu either), only a VW’s formal demand to FIA, expressing their consent as a proper manu...

Honestly it all looks a bit unreal, like if it was possible for VW Motorpsort to sort out a last minute B plan and get VW’s board approval. Is it? Btw, has Ogier actually said he was going to test different cars or was that only suggested by the media/net?

[dimviii]

Sebastien Ogier is expected to test a Ford Fiesta RS WRC for the first time later this week as he narrows down his 2017 World Rally Championship options.

Autosport understands the test will be in Wales or at the team's own facility in Greystoke forest, Cumbria.

M-Sport team principal Malcolm Wilson is determined to land Ogier for next season, having missed out on signing him in 2011.

Wilson told Autosport: "I'm willing to go to lengths I've not been to before to bring him here.

"I stand by what I've said before: this remains one of the best opportunities this company has ever had and I can't let it slip by.

"Sebastien knows what he wants and I absolutely respect that."

Ogier missed Monday's WRC Gala evening in Sydney, flying straight back to Europe just hours after Rally Australia finished in an effort to confirm a deal for next season.

Ogier and team-mates Jari-Matti Latvala and Andreas Mikkelsen were left without a 2017 drive when Volkswagen announced its withdrawal from the WRC earlier this month.

Though Ogier wants to test all four 2017 World Rally Cars before making a decision, his options appear limited.



Citroen is reportedly unwilling to allow Ogier to test its all-new C3 before he signs an agreement, and that contract remains very much dependent on the firm sourcing additional budget.

Hyundai also looks out of bounds.

Team boss Michel Nandan told Autosport: "He is a four-time world champion, of course I would talk to him, but the percentage of chance of getting him for next season is so small that it wouldn't be fair to our drivers to let him be in the car."

Ogier is expected to test a Toyota, but there is speculation that communication between the four-time champion and Tommi Makinen is becoming protracted.

Sources close to Latvala say the Finn, who remained in Australia on holiday after the rally, already has the offer of a contract from Toyota.

Ogier said: "I plan to test all the cars, to have as many cards in my hand to judge the best for my future. That's the target for now.

"There's a lot of rumours around, but all I can say is that I talk to a lot of people and at least I have this chance that a lot of people call me and want me in their team.

"I have made no decision."

Wilson has every confidence in his 2017 Fiesta.

"It was a clean sheet of paper and whatever the guys have wanted, they've had it," he said.

"It's been designed and built with complete freedom and exactly the right tools to do the job.

"Even if we don't get Sebastien for next season, I have to say that I am very excited about what's to come from this car."

Ogier admitted sitting out 2017 was possible but not likely.

"I don't put this option on top of the list, but it's not impossible," he told Autosport.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127234/ogier-set-to-test-with-msport-this-week

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier in M-Sport is likely 99% now

[AL14]

Ogier in M-Sport is likely 99% now

If Citroen is that french to not allow him to test their car and therefore gifting the best driver to an opponent just because they don't want to appear so desperate to take him, then yes, the chances for M-Sport are higher.

(French friends. I'm joking. Please don't feel offended) :)

[Hartusvuori]

And also journalists. Where are they? lol are they waiting for official press releases? I would like to know who pay them lol, I want to work there as well.

First you bash the team for not making a deal public and then you bash journalist for making the deal public. I can't follow your thought.

[AL14]

First you bash the team for not making a deal public and then you bash journalist for making the deal public. I can't follow your thought.

When I bashed a journalist for making the deal public?

[macebig]

If Citroen is that french to not allow him to test their car and therefore gifting the best driver to an opponent just because they don't want to appear so desperate to take him, then yes, the chances for M-Sport are higher.

(French friends. I'm joking. Please don't feel offended) :)

Citroen even managed to drive Loeb away,so I am not surprised by anything they do..

[Franky]

Citroen even managed to drive Loeb away,so I am not surprised by anything they do..

Yes, the PSA managed to drive him to Peugeot.

[Rally Power]

Ogier in M-Sport is likely 99% now

Taking Ogier’s quotes on Autosport as reliable, how can you be 99% sure he will sign for MSport before trying the other cars? Btw, Matton was reluctant to talk with Ogier, now he’s reluctant to allow him to test…I hope someone has already started cooking him a hat; maybe @EstWRC won’t be the only one taking a hat diet! ;)

Still on the RB (unlikely) track, a Smeets talk to L’Équipe come out on a French forum: http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/2461-transferts-2017-bonjour-bordel-merci-vw/page-29
Smeets confirms ’16 cars renting program (!) and says there’s very little chance to see ’17 Polos rallying, but he doesn’t rule it out completely...

[Andre Oliveira]

Cause my comment is not about Autosport article ;)

Btw, in Finland people don't have smartphones? If today test was in Portugal we would see a tons of photos ;)

[dimviii]

Rally double world champion Marcus Grönholm is building a new future in motorsport top drivers, or rather the top considering entering.

Grönholm GRX Management Team Ltd has organized an open share issue, the purpose of which is to collect the pot in which young drivers start to move towards professionalism.

- Let's just say that the issue is gone semihyvin. In terms of volume is accompanied by a lot of people, about 250. There are approximately EUR 300 000 together now. The share issue will continue until the end of the year. The result is then what it is. After all, in a lot of money, but not for many years no one ajateta said Grönholm.

Offering a variety of packages are available. An individual, the preferred shares will pay EUR 197.

- There are 20 "godfather", who each put EUR 12,000. Just all I have not got yet the heap, but make sure you can, mulled Grönholm.

Marcus Grönholm, led driver built in the competition and long-term plan, which aims to professionalism.
- Next thing is a rally driver selection, and it is the most important thing. However, if the shareholders are supposed to get back some money sometimes, so we need a good rally driver. It has been since the beginning of this idea. The rally driver is a phase 1, Grönholm says.

Who is the driver, and in what series and how fleet driver comes to drive?

- It's a little secret yet. Yes go to the world, and it is being thought by the driver, is already done bit. That is all I can reveal.

GRX's camp have already been Joni Wiman (US Global Rally Cross) and Niclas Grönholm (Rally Cross).

- They've been a mess from the beginning, and they continue to team members. I must then consider what with them being invested. It is still a question mark.

upcoming election rally driver will be announced in the near future. The stakes are high, as the share issue prospectus according to the driver's objectives in the period 2018-2019 are already EUR 400 000 wage and salary income.

Grönholm operation is completed. He turned at the beginning of his own career with many stones and collection of compiling budgets. The final stage of all was no longer dependent on a single card. And the risk paid off, and he got a well-paid factory job as a driver. In addition, he helped mm. Kosti Katajamäki World Rally Championship.

- Yes, this was a great damn work with him. Yeah, pretty pins, but I did not remember at all that this is so laborious, Grönholm smirk.


http://urheiluuutiset.com/marcus-gronholm-rakentaa-rallikuskeille-uutta-tulevaisuutta-hemmetisti-duunia/

[dimviii]

Mundial de Rallys ‏@MundialdeRallys · 9m9 minutes ago
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Hoy Ogier ha estado probando el Toyota Yaris WRC 2017
Today Ogier has been testing the Toyota Yaris WRC 2017

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx94NsbWgAAA0mS.jpg

[dimviii]

Miika Wuorela ‏@MiikaWuorela · 2m2 minutes ago  Tampere, Suomi

Seb Ogier had his Toyota test today. MSport soon to follow. Champion looking for a best option for 2017.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC · 2m2 minutes ago

Sebastien Ogier's Toyota #YarisWRC test took place today in Spain. Propably no pictures will surface. These kind of tests are top secret.

[EstWRC]

Sébastien Ogier tests the Toyota Yaris in Catalonia
http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/sebastien-ogier-prueba-el-toyota-yaris-en-cataluna-35448

Barely without rest after the Rally of Australia, last race of the world-wide championship of rallies 2016, the present champion of the world has put to work facing the next season, in which until the moment has not yet decided in which equipment to pilot , Although it currently has several offers on the table. Thus, Ogier had the opportunity to try the Yaris today.

In a small test carried out in Catalonia, more specifically in the area of ​​Tarragona, the former Volkswagen driver has had the opportunity to complete several kilometers of testing on both an asphalt stretch and another on land. The logistics of the team led by Makinen moved to Poblet in the morning, where they rolled on asphalt, while in the afternoon they moved to Bellprat, where they rolled over land.

His sensations just after getting out of the car were not quite good, since he confessed that the car still lacked a hard work of suspensions, although also has taken advantage to ensure that the potential of the vehicle created by Toyota Gazoo Racing is good. According to this medium, the Toyota brand would have put on the table a good offer that would be around ten million euros.

In the same week, the man to beat within the WRC is also expected to test the Ford Fiesta RS WRC of 2017 with the MSport team. The British team has been the most played during these weeks, although everything seems to indicate that Ogier will make a decision after testing all the vehicles, without ruling out that he can even get on the Citroën C3 WRC.

[Franky]

Even when Ogier doesn't sign with Toyota, then I think TGR got some valuable insight on their car development progress. How well the development has gone or how far behind they are compared to the 2017 Polo. Better to know months before than after the first stage.

[TWRC]

Even when Ogier doesn't sign with Toyota, then I think TGR got some valuable insight on their car development progress. How well the development has gone or how far behind they are compared to the 2017 Polo. Better to know months before than after the first stage.
Start of homologation is literally days away, so they have very little time to improve the things Ogier pointed out (if he truly said those things of course).

[Franky]

Development never stops ;)

EDIT: At least till the plug is pulled out.

[dimviii]

His sensations just after getting out of the car were not quite good, since he confessed that the car still lacked a hard work of suspensions, .

so confirmed what we watched from various videos.Or maybe Ogier is a hater too?

Ogier with yaris
https://youtu.be/p-WyZkZNmKs

[stefanvv]

so confirmed what we watched from various videos.Or maybe Ogier is a hater too?

I didn't read anyone to say they have to work hard on the suspension.

[smsgrafica]

Wow, the Yaris looks slow even with Ogier driving it... It seems as it's suspensions were made out of wood.

[dimviii]

I didn't read anyone to say they have to work hard on the suspension.

don't try to be smart.you are not.

[Mirek]

Start of homologation is literally days away, so they have very little time to improve the things Ogier pointed out (if he truly said those things of course).

I think that the homologation process started already at the beginning of November.

[Mirek]

so confirmed what we watched from various videos.Or maybe Ogier is a hater too?

Ogier with yaris
https://youtu.be/p-WyZkZNmKs

Doesn't look very good even with Ogier. I would also say that there is lack of torque in low and middle rpm.

[stefanvv]

don't try to be smart.you are not.

I don't try anything

[dimviii]

Doesn't look very good even with Ogier. I would also say that there is lack of torque in low and middle rpm.

they have changed the upper part of doors and rear fenders.If you freeze the video at 0,12 sec is clear visible.
also the front part of sideskirt I think.

[Mirek]

Do You know which damper supplier Toyota has?

[Toyoda]

Looks like pre 2016 Hyundai oversteer and understeer, looks like it has more body roll than the VW, overall its lacking development in all areas, maybe except the aero?

Then again suspension wise Ogier is comparing it to the best car by miles in the suspension area.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark: Finish press reporting Ogier tested Yaris in Catalonia today. Says he's been offered a fortune if he signs a two year deal. Rumoured €10m per year !

[Rally Power]

His sensations just after getting out of the car were not quite good, since he confessed that the car still lacked a hard work of suspensions, although also has taken advantage to ensure that the potential of the vehicle created by Toyota Gazoo Racing is good.

Come on guys, do you really believe that in the most secretive Toy's test some amateur journos were able to get Ogier’s opinions on the Yaris?!? Jesus, give TGR guys a bit more credit!

Btw, what’s wrong with those suspensions? To me they seem properly tuned for such a smooth tarmac road and the pace was already quite interesting, especially considering the weather conditions and the test limited length.

PS: BOS is the damper supplier and I believe that the Yaris chief designer is now the same guy that developed the ’03 and ’05 Focus at MSport: Simon Carrier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good for M-Sport that Ogier tested the Yaris first... should make their Fiesta feel all the better.

[dimviii]

Looks like pre 2016 Hyundai oversteer and understeer, .


that's right,understeer at entry which drives to sudden oversteer,like Hyundais first gen i20.
another point is that if you don't setup properly the suspension,you cant work to tune proper the active center diff.
too much work for Toyota boys for not so much time.

[Toyoda]

that's right,understeer at entry which drives to sudden oversteer,like Hyundais first gen i20.
another point is that if you don't setup properly the suspension,you cant work to tune proper the active center diff.
too much work for Toyota boys for not so much time.

Yup exactly! you wrote that better :)

[Rallyper]

So what gives test when Yaris on tarmac and Ford on gravel (supposely)? Tarmac maybe on MSport airfield only.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier tested in gravel on afternoon. I guess he will do same with Ford.

[janvanvurpa]

Looks like pre 2016 Hyundai oversteer and understeer, looks like it has more body roll than the VW, .

I think I read its the latest idea..
It's called "uni-steer".
Pushes and gets sideways..
Like old Mazda GTX..

Perfect.:arrows:

[er88]

If I was Ogier I'd sign for Citroen, even if they don't allow him to test before he signs a contract. Citroen don't build bad cars and Seb will know that.

The questions are whether Wilson can come up with a decent package and maybe if Ford have given any inclination about a return in 2018 (that's been mooted) or maybe even for next year. Meeke is closest to Seb in terms of raw pace so would Ogier want to face him in a car that is basically Meeke's, or in another teams car that might not be as good?

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[PLuto]

Citroen don't build bad cars and Seb will know that.

What about Citroen DS3 R5? What can Citroen do without Loeb, Bugalski and some others?

[Toyoda]

IMO the Citroen looks fast, sounds more powerful and has better balance and less oversteer than the Hyundai, C3 would be Ogier's best choice, but can he make the MSport car work for him well enough

[Andre Oliveira]

Colin Clark: have been assured it is Ogier! Either JML or AM in it Thursday.

[er88]

What about Citroen DS3 R5? What can Citroen do without Loeb, Bugalski and some others?
Should've said WRC cars then. The xsara, C4, Ds3 and even the WTC were all top quality. Citroen have taken a year out to develop this car and have a bit of experience with the engine from the WTCC campaign, so imo there's no way they homologate a fundamentally flawed car. You say they've lost some experienced test drivers, but Meeke isn't too shabby is he? He's tested and developed numerous cars over the years and is an engineer himself - something Loeb said is a great bonus to Meeke . I'd be stunned if the car is off the pace, absolutely stunned. PSA's dodgy customer R5 cars won't change my view on their record.

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[GigiGalliNo1]

WRC Promoter are heading to NZ this weekend to have talks with organizers as well as heading to Japan to discuss a return there.

Also, VW are continuing their 2017 car testing as Sven Smeets mentioned to media a few times during Rally Australia

http://www.driven.co.nz/news/motorsport/tauranga-in-pole-wrc-position/

[HarriK]

Hopefully Malcolm puts some extra power to Fiestas program etc so that Ogier feels good ;)

[rogef]

Of course, Toyota is not yet at the level of others. But the goal is to get there quickly. For Ogier it is important for a better car but also the money and the future. Toyota will be the only one that can bring Ogier and maybe some VW technicians. So in the immediate is not the best option, but in the near future maybe will be. To offer so much money is because the project is to win and continue to evolve the car as fast as possible. Other teams probably to offers a large amount of money the Ogier will withdraw from the development of the car and this can be bad.

[Sulland]

Ogier tested in gravel on afternoon. I guess he will do same with Ford.

Film from that anywhere?

It was about time they got a current top driver to push and play with the Yaris. Ogier is testing limits on wet.

Strange they are using Bos dampers, and not Øhlins from their neighbour!

[spyros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-WyZkZNmKs&feature=youtu.be sorry thats asphalt.



Film from that anywhere?

It was about time they got a current top driver to push and play with the Yaris. Ogier is testing limits on wet.

Strange they are using Bos dampers, and not Øhlins from their neighbour!

[Andre Oliveira]

Seb was in TMR warehouse? I am sure he will be more impressed with M-Sport facilities and the project under way of Mr Wilson is really good.

[rogef]

Seb was in TMR warehouse? I am sure he will be more impressed with M-Sport facilities and the project under way of Mr Wilson is really good.

Is there also a program to do some great facilities in Finland for the Toyota Gazoo Racing rally structure, or am I wrong?

PS - já reparei que somos alguns Portugueses por aqui... Abraço

[pantealex]

Is there also a program to do some great facilities in Finland for the Toyota Gazoo Racing rally structure, or am I wrong?

PS - já reparei que somos alguns Portugueses por aqui... Abraço

No, no new buildings in Finland.

[rogef]

No, no new buildings in Finland.


Certainly confused with any other identical information.

So I am wrong. Thanks for the correction.

;)

[jiipee64]

Certainly confused with any other identical information.

So I am wrong. Thanks for the correction.

;)

How sure are You?

[rogef]

How sure are You?

I'm not sure I'm right. I'm just relying on the information from friend Pantealex.

[AL14]

Very weak rumours:

Ogier could be try Hyundai's car. And Hyundai could participate with 2 teams.
Team A redbull with Ogier and Paddon
Team B shell with Neuville and Sordo.

A friend of mine read it in a french forum. I can't give you any source. He told me that they're talking about Penasse actually negotiation with Seb.

[OldF]

Seb was in TMR warehouse? I am sure he will be more impressed with M-Sport facilities and the project under way of Mr Wilson is really good.

I think the facilities is more important for the mechanics & engineers who are working there more frequently. For some people some fancy facilities could be a motivation factor but for a professional for who the work itself is the passion, facilities good enough is ok as long as the facilities aren’t a disruptive factor.

Mikko Hirvonen once said that he haven’t been in Cumbria many times because it was “difficult” to get there.

[Andre Oliveira]

Citroën are doing bluff. Trying show that its car is very very good to allow test...

[ruesluporp]

Very weak rumours:

Ogier could be try Hyundai's car. And Hyundai could participate with 2 teams.
Team A redbull with Ogier and Paddon
Team B shell with Neuville and Sordo.

A friend of mine read it in a french forum. I can't give you any source. He told me that they're talking about Penasse actually negotiation with Seb.


There are no more Team A and Team B in 2017!
As many as three crews in each round, with the best two results being awarded points for championship...

[AL14]

There are no more Team A and Team B in 2017!
As many as three crews in each round, with the best two results being awarded points for championship...

You can't do it, even if you want? I didn't know this.
I knew that you can have three cars and the best two will win championships but not that you can't have two teams if you have enough cars to do it.

[tc10a]

You can't do it, even if you want? I didn't know this.
I knew that you can have three cars and the best two will win championships but not that you can't have two teams if you have enough cars to do it.

Would be the same with DMACK-Team, so it should be possible theoretically.

[N.O.T]

Citroën are doing bluff. Trying show that its car is very very good to allow test...

It is not about bluff, it is about professionalism.

You are a manufacturer rally team representing a multibillion company, no matter how good a driver is you cannot diseregard protocol. The drivers must want to drive for you not the opposite.

M-sport is a private business and Wilson will only sign Ogier if the whole deal is profitable for him.

Toyota is run by a bunch of amateurs and their only concern is probably to just drain the company of its sources and then flop.

Citroen is doing the right thing.

[dupanton]

Very weak rumours:

Ogier could be try Hyundai's car. And Hyundai could participate with 2 teams.
Team A redbull with Ogier and Paddon
Team B shell with Neuville and Sordo.

A friend of mine read it in a french forum. I can't give you any source. He told me that they're talking about Penasse actually negotiation with Seb.

Neuville is sponsored by Red Bull. Paddon is not I think? So that would be very strange already.
I don't see Hyundai coming with 4 cars. I think they could make a 2nd team. But I don't think it is very likely.

[Essaj]

No, no new buildings in Finland.

They are actually expanding their current facilities, atleast there is some construction going on.

[Rally Power]

It is not about bluff, it is about professionalism. (...) Citroen is doing the right thing.

That could be the case if we’re talking about an average driver, but we aren’t. Like Loeb, and a few others motorsport greatest, Ogier is a living legend and any team must do everything to get him. It’s a shame mass media don’t give a sh.. to rally, otherwise this Ogier situation would be in all TV’s and newspapers. Do you imagine Ronaldo training on the top 4 foot teams before signing for one of them?

Hiring Ogier is the winning ticket for a WRC team. He’s much more than the best driver available; he’s a magnet that inspires and motivates every one working around him. It worth to take a look on FX Demaison words about him (even if the piece is written on a notorious frenchy arrongant style…): http://www.francetvsport.fr/ogier-la-naissance-d-un-nouveau-roi-182985

Honestly, if Citroen doesn’t allow him to test they aren’t being pros, they are being losers!

[N.O.T]

Hiring Ogier is the winning ticket for a WRC team. He’s much more than the best driver available; he’s a magnet that inspires and motivates every one working around him.

wake up.

[Rally Power]

Best silly season ever? It looks like! Another wild rumour on VW: besides going for the FIA inspection they’ll also build the 5 units they’ve planned to be ready before MC... http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/11/24/el-volkswagen-polo-r-wrc-2017-ante-los-ultimos-test/

[er88]

Citroen aren't being losers by not begging Ogier like Wilson. Toyota and Msport have nothing to lose letting Seb test the car whereas Citroen and Hyundai do.

What I think will happen is after Seb tests the Ford, he'll give Citroen more or less a verbal agreement that they are his preference and he wants to join them. Then maybe we'll see him test before he officially signs the contract. Citroen know the car is good and know Meeke can challenge next year, so they won't let Ogier drive the car only for him to then join Msport or Toyota. Neither will Hyundai, and Nandan has already said as much. Citroen and Hyundai are acting like proper manufacturer teams who are confident in their car/drivers , whereas Msport and Toyota are desperate and willing to do anything to sign Seb (understandably).

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[jacko]

It is not about bluff, it is about professionalism.

You are a manufacturer rally team representing a multibillion company, no matter how good a driver is you cannot diseregard protocol. The drivers must want to drive for you not the opposite.

M-sport is a private business and Wilson will only sign Ogier if the whole deal is profitable for him.

Toyota is run by a bunch of amateurs and their only concern is probably to just drain the company of its sources and then flop.

Citroen is doing the right thing.

Yep, i agree, Hyundai also didn't get Neuville a taste of the new generation car until he signed a new contract. As for M-Sport and Toyota i think it's normal for them to have a driver like Ogier to test the car, for sure the feedback, how small it maybe will be after a (short) test, both teams will be pleased about it.
Hyundai has a strong driver line-up and i don't think there would anything changed, perfect for them would be Latvala in a fourth car in rally's like Sweden, Poland and Finland (and to be nominated and not Sordo).
If Citroën is smart they get Mikkelsen and switch between Breen and Lefebvre for the third car.

[jiipee64]

They are actually expanding their current facilities, atleast there is some construction going on.

😉 Thought so...

[pantealex]

They are actually expanding their current facilities, atleast there is some construction going on.

but not building any new "houses", just doing more space in 1 of current ones.

[Essaj]

but not building any new "houses", just doing more space in 1 of current ones.

I personally don't see any problem with that.

[Franky]

That could be the case if we’re talking about an average driver, but we aren’t. Like Loeb, and a few others motorsport greatest, Ogier is a living legend and any team must do everything to get him. It’s a shame mass media don’t give a sh.. to rally, otherwise this Ogier situation would be in all TV’s and newspapers. Do you imagine Ronaldo training on the top 4 foot teams before signing for one of them?

Who is Ronaldo?

[bluuford]

Who is Ronaldo?

Come on! You do not know who is Ronaldo?
He is Portugese codriver:
http://ewrc-results.com/coprofile.php?p=26140&t=Ronaldo-Marques
;)

[cali]

Come on! You do not know who is Ronaldo?
He is Portugese codriver:
http://ewrc-results.com/coprofile.php?p=26140&t=Ronaldo-Marques
;)
Why on earth he is forbidden to train with 4 different teams?

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[Andre Oliveira]

About Ogier in Toyota: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127257

Volkswagen refugee Sebastien Ogier tested the Toyota Yaris WRC on Wednesday, Autosport can confirm.

The Frenchman joined the Toyota test in Spain, where he drove the car on wet asphalt and on gravel.

Team principal Tommi Makinen told Autosport: "Yes, it's true. Sebastien did come and test the car yesterday [Wednesday], but I can't tell you anything more than that at the moment.

"Of course, we are talking."
Ogier is reported to have been offered a contract worth €10m (£8.5m), with Latvala also reported to have a contract on the table with the Puuppola-based team.

Makinen dismissed such speculation saying: "Like I said, we are talking to the drivers, but we didn't make the offer yet.

"The problem we have is for the car availability.

"We will run with just the two cars until the spring time and Juho [Hanninen] will be driving on all of the rallies."

Having sampled the Toyota, Ogier will test a Ford Fiesta RS WRC in Cumbria on Friday.

Ogier's chances of driving a Citroen and Hyundai look to be dwindling, with both the French and Korean manufacturers struggling to find a way to bring him to their teams neither is keen to allow the four-time champion aboard their 2017 cars.

[smsgrafica]

The situation is very simple: the only way for M-Sport or Toyota to get Ogier is to allow him to test the car before signing the contract. If they didn't do it, he wouldn't even talk to them and would already be at Citroen.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15170780_1530324253663663_4832453661681537101_n.jp g?oh=7aa9343dd102f593cabcb33a2151b950&oe=58AEE1DB

[stefanvv]

The situation is very simple: the only way for M-Sport or Toyota to get Ogier is to allow him to test the car before signing the contract. If they didn't do it, he wouldn't even talk to them and would already be at Citroen.

I know You don't want me to respond, but now I'm staring at an empty wall (it is yellow).

[Simmi]

So Tommi is testing Ogier and talking to Latvala. He's also tested Suninen and is widely believed to have already signed Lappi. Yet he keeps insisting Hanninen is locked in for all 14 rounds.

How good is Hanninen's agent! Or have I missed something here? I get that he's done so much testing but still there are far better drivers at the door. I'd assumed his deal would have immediately been restructured?

[N.O.T]

Toyota is a bad deal for both ogier and the village team.

Ogier will not be champion again and that piece of junk will earn the reputation that was the car that failed to earn Ogier another title.

Its far better to hire finish useless dogs so they will have the excuse that the drivers are not god enough, or glorify the fact that they might win a stage when none is pushing.

Its a win win situation and then the flop will come far easier.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I agree with NOT

Ogier to M-Sport

[leighton323]

Toyota is a bad deal for both ogier and the village team.

Ogier will not be champion again and that piece of junk will earn the reputation that was the car that failed to earn Ogier another title.

Its far better to hire finish useless dogs so they will have the excuse that the drivers are not god enough, or glorify the fact that they might win a stage when none is pushing.

Its a win win situation and then the flop will come far easier.

Ok yes N.O.T we've heard it from you 10 times already. No need to keep repeating yourself ;)

[leighton323]

On another note, definitely agree with Simmi, I think maybe Makinen is regretting the full programme for Hanninen. But how was he to know the craziness that was to ensue in regards to the VW saga. In my opinion VW's withdrawal has saved Toyota from what could have been a very tough (disastrous?) season for them in 2017.

Now they have the possibility to sign two drivers capable of winning, and one that is starting to show his true worth in Mikkelsen.

[N.O.T]

I agree with NOT

Ogier to M-Sport

are you going to pay for his salary ? because wilson will not.

[er88]

I'm sure Makinen was quoted as saying that it's very important Juho does all the rounds, so they can get feedback and compare the data to all the testing they've done. They are taking this as a development year whether we like it or not unfortunately.

It's a bit of a shame because if Toyota had a bit of leadership and organisation they could've come into the WRC in 2017 hitting the ground running, like VW did. Instead they've wasted time and resources it seems with the TMG program, that had been testing and developing a WRC car as far back as 2013/14.

I expect it will be one of the VW drivers (most likely Jari), Juho and then Lappi from Corsica onwards who are the drivers for this season, with Suninen maybe in a R5 car + testing the yaris for a year. Reckon he'll then take Juho's seat in 2018.

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[tomhlord]

So Tommi is testing Ogier and talking to Latvala. He's also tested Suninen and is widely believed to have already signed Lappi. Yet he keeps insisting Hanninen is locked in for all 14 rounds.

How good is Hanninen's agent! Or have I missed something here? I get that he's done so much testing but still there are far better drivers at the door. I'd assumed his deal would have immediately been restructured?

Perhaps the Lappi deal is testing and the 3rd car on a few rallies? Leaving Hanninen in the lead car and someone else in the 2nd. If none of the VW drivers are signed, Lappi to the 2nd and Suninen as back up in the 3rd car?

[Allez Andruet]

How good is Hanninen's agent! Or have I missed something here? I get that he's done so much testing but still there are far better drivers at the door. I'd assumed his deal would have immediately been restructured?
Then again, you can easily argue that Hänninen hasn't had the best possible agent (in the past atleast) as he must be the most accomplished driver (in 2010's) who's never given the chance to drive a full season in WRC.
Sure it comes a bit late in his career, but I think it's fair he's given his long overdue chance.

[BicioWrc]

I can't believe Makinen lose occasion to sign a driver between Mikkelsen (my first choise) and Latvala...
if yes, he take a big responsability on his shoulders. You have the possibility to sign a top driver that arrive from VK and continue to progress every year as Mikkelsen and you sign a test driver (also if with good skills as hanninen) and 2 young drivers that are both all to discover in Wrc car...crazyness if happen

[cali]

JML, Mikkelsen and Hänninen would be the best lineup for Toyota

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[Andre Oliveira]

@Luke Harvey: The boys tell me that Mr Ogier is giving the new Fiesta a proper good spanking! And the car looks and sounds amazing!

[bassist]

@Luke Harvey: The boys tell me that Mr Ogier is giving the new Fiesta a proper good spanking! And the car looks and sounds amazing!

Bugger, and they are only up the road from me!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

C.Clark - Looks like Sweet Lamb is the place to be today! Hopefully some pics and video coming soon. Fingers crossed for all at MSport!

[bassist]

C.Clark - Looks like Sweet Lamb is the place to be today! Hopefully some pics and video coming soon. Fingers crossed for all at MSport!

Think he meant `Walters`

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Think he meant `Walters`

Yes, he just confirmed Ogier tested there today along with Tanak.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier testing Fiesta 2017 WRC...

Just now at Walters Arena... https://t.co/dgV4sZgTEm (but video could be Tanak !)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyHHGxQWIAAIXZe.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyHHGxSWgAAxHQ5.jpg

Colin Clark: @SebOgier has just left in MW's Range Rover. Understanding is test went well.

[EstWRC]

Tänak too? surprising, i knew he was sent home because mr.King was testing...i wonder who was faster :p

[Andre Oliveira]

Reports that Ogier left with Malcolm in his Range Rover than Tänak time. Btw, Tänak, Camilli and Østberg tested yesterday

[pantealex]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15170780_1530324253663663_4832453661681537101_n.jp g?oh=7aa9343dd102f593cabcb33a2151b950&oe=58AEE1DB

Henning would perfect for "oWRC"-serie. Hoping that he could drive some rounds.
(oWRC=oldWRC)

[Andre Oliveira]

http://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/5c4/image/5c4bfc975420c61842aa3936507ad9c5.jpg

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127268/ogier-tests-msport-2017-wrc-fiesta

[spyros]

after mcrae era this is the best wilson has ever done....
good luck.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This all sounds really positive... its going to need something really dramatic for Ogier not to sign for M-Sport now. :)

"It looked like the test was going very well. The body language between them all was really positive.

"Sebastien drove the stage in a road car, then did a steady lap in the rally car before he was at pretty much competitive speed.

"He looked very comfortable and actually came in and made some suspension changes.

"At one point it looked very much like a regular set-up test."

[spyros]

it would be only for 1 year if Ford not officialy came in.

[pantealex]

This all sounds really positive... its going to need something really dramatic for Ogier not to sign for M-Sport now. :)

"It looked like the test was going very well. The body language between them all was really positive.

"Sebastien drove the stage in a road car, then did a steady lap in the rally car before he was at pretty much competitive speed.

"He looked very comfortable and actually came in and made some suspension changes.

"At one point it looked very much like a regular set-up test."

Question is: Is Fiesta so much better than Yaris that he will not take that "10M"-deal ? Toyotas offer is probably 2-4 times better money wise than M-Sport offer.

and if Ogier thinks that he could not win with Yaris, who would win ? No one, because Ogier is fastest driver.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Question is: Is Fiesta so much better than Yaris that he will not take that "10M"-deal ? Toyotas offer is probably 2-4 times better money wise than M-Sport offer.

and if Ogier thinks that he could not win with Yaris, who would win ? No one, because Ogier is fastest driver.

If he was driven mainly by money he wouldn't even be considering M-Sport.

Ogier wants to win the 2017 title and will pick the best available car.

[Andre Oliveira]

10M salary was false info.

[Rally Power]

Come on! You do not know who is Ronaldo?
He is Portugese codriver:
http://ewrc-results.com/coprofile.php?p=26140&t=Ronaldo-Marques
;)

lol, that’s a good one bluuford! Never thought that beside a fine weatherman you’d also be an expert finding Ronaldo’s…;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Another clip: https://www.facebook.com/damian.cole.796/posts/10211182804669629

[Rally Power]

If he was driven mainly by money he wouldn't even be considering M-Sport. Ogier wants to win the 2017 title and will pick the best available car.

I bet he will also try the Citroen. Probably in secret, to avoid those kind of jumpy conclusions...

[dimviii]

I bet he will also try the Citroen. Probably in secret, to avoid those kind of jumpy conclusions...

I mark your post to discuss the jumpy conclusions after Monte.

[Rally Power]

Glad to! Just to clear out my point: it'd be great to see Ogier at MSport, that would mean Wilson could get a major support from Ford. Like it'd be if he signs with Toyota, because it'd boost Makinen's chances to get some wins on their first year. Probably not so great if he ends in Citroen or Hyundai, because they're already a step above the others. Anyway, why do we need to undermine those he won't choose?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@FordWRC FordRally
Ford drive rounds off testing week for Ogier https://t.co/p9Dmsp5ZR6 #FordWRC

First tweet from them for months.. could be significant ??

[Andre Oliveira]

And another one: https://www.facebook.com/damian.cole.796/posts/10211183508527225

[Andre Oliveira]

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/21e/image/21e75aefab44cc3251d725ee260c2a3b.jpg

https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127273/ogier-impresses-msport-in-2017-wrc-test

[EstWRC]

discussions following next week? oh boy we have to wait at least 2 weeks then to find out where finally everyone drives

[Andre Oliveira]

Thats fast: https://www.facebook.com/tom.cave2/posts/10157864002180341:2

[Andre Oliveira]

https://m.facebook.com/blackmountainsmedia/

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15235538_386359815029871_3274312752707417518_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15195809_386360155029837_6439155221018388180_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15252616_386359641696555_5758066199154715938_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

[Frostmourne]

I just hope that all cars (maybe not Toyota, but hopefully) will be close to each other in terms of performance, so we can have a highly competitive season. Im really just bored of one car/team dominating the championship, to bored for the last day of each rally just cruising and no real fight...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

discussions following next week? oh boy we have to wait at least 2 weeks then to find out where finally everyone drives

Colin Clark saying Ogier decision could be early next week... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=670914196404580&id=296678697161467&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FR2KoiaC47J&_rdr

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another rumour that Ogier will test Fiesta again on Monday near M-Sport's Cumbria base.

Also that Latvala or Mikkelsen will test it next Thursday...

[macebig]

If there aren't any news on Tuesday in Cologne at the Fiesta presentation,Ford's return may be eliminated.

[EstWRC]

Another rumour that Ogier will test Fiesta again on Monday near M-Sport's Cumbria base.

Also that Latvala or Mikkelsen will test it next Thursday...

where from these rumours? i think Mr.Wilson has been pretty clear that he only wants Ogier.

[Andre Oliveira]

Tänak and Østberg yesterday: http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=37189&t=M-Sport-and-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC-2017-test-2016

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/m_sport_and_ford_fiesta_rs_wrc_2017_test_2016/sku_1.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/m_sport_and_ford_fiesta_rs_wrc_2017_test_2016/sku_img_4034.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/m_sport_and_ford_fiesta_rs_wrc_2017_test_2016/sku_img_4005.jpg

[Franky]

where from these rumours? i think Mr.Wilson has been pretty clear that he only wants Ogier.

Show Wilson the money and he will welcome even you to the M-Sport team to drive their car. Wilson is a businessman after all.

[EstWRC]

thank you for being very kind to me but i doubt he would take me as a driver :D

and very nice gallery Andre!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

where from these rumours? i think Mr.Wilson has been pretty clear that he only wants Ogier.

Replies to Colin Clark on Twitter from people at todays test.

And if Ogier goes elsewhere wouldnt MW want one of the other ex-VW guys ?

[TWRC]

thank you for being very kind to me but i doubt he would take me as a driver :D

and very nice gallery Andre!
If he took the likes of Bertelli, Block and others like them, why not you? :D

[EstWRC]

ok ill give my try, i have some savings and the drivers arent confirmed, maybe im lucky

[AL14]

ok ill give my try, i have some savings and the drivers arent confirmed, maybe im lucky

You team mate with Tanak, you would give an arm for it. :D

[Franky]

You team mate with Tanak, you would give an arm for it. :D

He'd give anything for that!

[Rally Hokkaido]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·


Biggest newspaper in Finland @hsfi saying Lappi and Mäkinen signed a deal for Toyota two weeks ago. http://www.hs.fi/m/urheilu/a1479792202122?jako=917d17f523a52844a55cd7d2b5b2db 8f …
#WRC #WRC2017


Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·

According to @hsfi article, Tommi Mäkinen is visiting Japan at the moment. Busy times for team bosses right now. #Toyota #ThreeFreeMen

This was spotted today at Fuji Speedway.

[Andre Oliveira]

Rally Japan entry will have a big boost

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRC Promoter are in Japan currently

[Duvel]

So ho wil we see driving a 2016 wrc car next year? (Prokop, Solberg,..) Will be realy interesting to see 2017 and 2016 wrc cars, and than some R5's, great field on most rally's probably.

Long time since the off season has been this exiting!

I'm also still hoping we will see the 2017 Polo in action next year, but think it wont happen.

[itix]

This was spotted today at Fuji Speedway.

If that, like Andre is speculating, was to enter enter a rally, would there be a liberal enough class for it or would it have to run as a 0 car?

[Simmi]

If that, like Andre is speculating, was to enter enter a rally, would there be a liberal enough class for it or would it have to run as a 0 car?

It's there for the annual Toyota (Gazoo) Racing festival. So nothing to do with any rally. That's also why Tommi is over in Japan for sure. Traditional for the big Japanese marques to have these gatherings.

[Andre Oliveira]

@Takanori_JJ
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyOqHYoUsAAgIbM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyO2s0lWIAApSdz.jpg

[leighton323]

This video is truly phenomenal, and credit wheres it's due on finally making a cool video.
The only decent piece of video I've ever seen the WRC promoters ever produce.

Shows how fantastic 2016 was. Exciting year for WRC fans on whats to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkZbdAYWco

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial · 3h3 hours ago

It's rally time this weekend as @DaniSordo goes against @ValeYellow46 at the @MonzaRallyShow! #HyundaiWRC #GameON

[dimviii]

PH SPORT @BPiallat ·
<unk>

After @SebastienLoeb and @SebOgier @PL_Loubet new hope Exhaust 2017 coming out of PH Sport We wish him the same success


from google translate
word exhaust = echappement magazine

[Simmi]

PH SPORT @BPiallat ·
<unk>

After @SebastienLoeb and @SebOgier @PL_Loubet new hope Exhaust 2017 coming out of PH Sport We wish him the same success


from google translate
word exhaust = echappement magazine

Looks like an award he has won. Loubet has looked decent. Another season of WRC2 would be good for him but let's see what is programme is.

[EstWRC]

according to this finnish site Ogier did not accpet Toyota's deal because of the car

https://translate.google.ee/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=et&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urheilulehti.fi%2Fmoottoriurhei lu%2Fogier-ei-tarttunut-tommi-makisen-toyotan-koukkuun-latvalalla-sauma&edit-text=

[cali]

according to this finnish site Ogier did not accpet Toyota's deal because of the car

https://translate.google.ee/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=et&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urheilulehti.fi%2Fmoottoriurhei lu%2Fogier-ei-tarttunut-tommi-makisen-toyotan-koukkuun-latvalalla-sauma&edit-text=
Not really a surprise

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[A FONDO]

He is just jealous.

[liposh]

Yup, the Toyota is too good. He needs something slower to show how good driver he really is.

[RS]

according to this finnish site Ogier did not accpet Toyota's deal because of the car

https://translate.google.ee/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=et&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urheilulehti.fi%2Fmoottoriurhei lu%2Fogier-ei-tarttunut-tommi-makisen-toyotan-koukkuun-latvalalla-sauma&edit-text=

So now they should go for Mikkelsen..

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CybzboiWIAUq0Rj.jpg

[spyros]

Dont rule out citroen......they are French

[tomhlord]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CybzboiWIAUq0Rj.jpg

Nice. I wonder if at the next M-Sport test some of the camo will now be removed seen as the road car is out in the open.

[Jack4688`]

Story taken from autosport.com, read it on Eurosport if you don't subscribe http://www.eurosport.co.uk/wrc/safari-rally-poised-to-rejoin-wrc-in-2019_sto5965382/story.shtml

[Rallyper]

Nice. I wonder if at the next M-Sport test some of the camo will now be removed seen as the road car is out in the open.

Did we already see this version disquised in MSport blue pattern, as 2017 WRC car?

[itix]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CybzboiWIAUq0Rj.jpg
It looks pretty much the same, just a bit uglier (just like the previous one looked a bit uglier than the one before it)

[Mirek]

It looks a little bit like a daughter of Ford Fiesta and Fiat Bravo :)

[WUff1]

So now they should go for Mikkelsen..

Won´t happen, he´s not finnish.

[Rallyper]

The big announcement from Ford Motor Company tonight at 2100 CET, is it about rallying (WRC - Ogier, etz) or about electrifying raods for vehicles and new Fiesta only?

[Andre Oliveira]

Live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzi6zm7SHA

No rally i guess

[Simmi]

Nah let's be realistic it was never going to be about rallying. Even if Ogier loved the Fiesta and signed with M-Sport there and then last week - it's probably not possible to get anything signed off in a company that big.

My feeling is that M-Sport/WRC promoter will need to use Ogier in a Fiesta as a case study to try and prove to Ford Motor Company that they should come back. But I think if they do it will be 2018. And honestly I don't think they are interested.

It's a shame because being able to launch the Fiesta WRC at the same time would be some awesome PR for the sport. You can see in the comments people are already asking about performance versions - ST, RS etc.

[AndyRAC]

Has anything changed in the promotion of the WRC, that would entice Ford to come back? Answer honestly.

They have programmes in WEC, IMSA, Nascar, World RX and GRC........that covers all of their bases....

[Rallyper]

Has anything changed in the promotion of the WRC, that would entice Ford to come back? Answer honestly.

They have programmes in WEC, IMSA, Nascar, World RX and GRC........that covers all of their bases....

Not enough. RX? Kidding?

[Simmi]

Has anything changed in the promotion of the WRC, that would entice Ford to come back? Answer honestly.

They have programmes in WEC, IMSA, Nascar, World RX and GRC........that covers all of their bases....

Nope nothing at all has changed. Same reasons they pulled out still apply. Only thing now is, in theory, a larger percentage chance of a title if M-Sport can lock down Ogier.

I think they are very happy in WRX and the way that sport is developing*.


*actually being promoted.

[Rally Power]

Has anything changed in the promotion of the WRC, that would entice Ford to come back? Answer honestly. They have programmes in WEC, IMSA, Nascar, World RX and GRC........that covers all of their bases....

Come on Andy, WEC doesn’t cover anything, because it’s all about one race (LM) and they’re competing for the 3rd category win; IMSA is a 2nd level series in the US; WRX or GRX are overvalued by rally fans, as they’re nothing more than niche competitions. Besides NASCAR (mandatory for US manus), honestly I don’t see Ford covering properly their motorsport bases.

For sure we all feel that WRC should be promoted in a more effective way, but if we remain overcritical about that we won’t be able to see any positive development. ’17 cars may not be the ultimate answer to WRC problems, but they seem to be a promising tool to help fixing those problems. We just need to be a bit more optimistic…and keep fingers crossed!

[stefanvv]

WEC doesn’t cover anything, because it’s all about one race (LM)

Wrong.


they’re competing for the 3rd category win

Wrong.

[Rally Power]

The first may be a subjective view, the second is factual: LM GTE cames after LMP1 and LMP2.

[stefanvv]

There are only 2 categories in WEC - LMP & GT. But this is rally forum anyway.

[Rally Power]

There are only 2 categories in WEC - LMP & GT. But this is rally forum anyway.

Five: LM P1; LM P1 Private; LM P2; LM GTE Pro; LM GTE Am. Ford's fighiting for the 4th one...

[stefanvv]

Do You make difference between category and class? GT category is in totally different race. But this is rally forum anyway.....

[Franky]

Do You make difference between category and class? GT category is in totally different race. But this is rally forum anyway.....

Doesn't really matter, if it's second or third as none of them are the main show. And we all know that from WRC that all the feeder categories get much much less attention.

[car]

I very much hope this comes to fruition...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127315/safari-rally-poised-to-rejoin-wrc-in-2019

[onemanband]

I very much hope this comes to fruition...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127315/safari-rally-poised-to-rejoin-wrc-in-2019


They will probably find a way to ruin it.

[Mirek]

They will probably find a way to ruin it.

What exactly do You mean by ruining it? It's delusional to think it could be run in a format known from 80'.

[tomhlord]

Did we already see this version disquised in MSport blue pattern, as 2017 WRC car?

Hey, think you've misunderstood my post completely ;)

[Rallyper]

Hey, think you've misunderstood my post completely ;)

Did look so close. It is the 2017 bodyshell they´ve tested then?

[EstWRC]

Yes

[onemanband]

What exactly do You mean by ruining it? It's delusional to think it could be run in a format known from 80'.

I do not think it could be run in a format known from 80' but I also don't think it should be run in a format known in 2016.

[Sub_Skoda]

C3's Launch Event is cancelled : http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/citroen-anula-la-presentacion-del-c3-wrc-35554?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Rallyper]

So much going on these days behind the curtains.

[Arwel Davies]

C3's Launch Event is cancelled : http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/citroen-anula-la-presentacion-del-c3-wrc-35554?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Cancelled so they can launch the car after signing Ogier? Im sure that would make sense or I could be way off the mark.

[rallyfiend]

Cancelled so they can launch the car after signing Ogier? Im sure that would make sense or I could be way off the mark.

They'd have to have him signed up well before then, in order to make the entry deadline for Monte Carlo...

[Doon]

I have a feeling Ogier will sign for Citroen. They car is likely to be faster than the M-sport car, he knows the team (or some of it), the money will be better and most importantly he is in the same car as the bloke he probably considers his biggest threat in terms of speed.

Ogier wont risk playing catch-up to Meeke, so being in the same car seems like the sensible option. OK, the Citroen might be slow than the Ford and Hyundai, but it is unlikely.

From a sporting point of view and to add more excitement to a pretty dull championship fight, it would be better if Ogier was in a Ford; however, realistically his best option is Citroen.

[bluuford]

I think Meeke is the last driver he must be afraid of. Maybe Hyundai is the place where to look. He has very good speed but not the consistency that Ogier has and no more strating position advantage as well (if he wins something). It is clear that Ogier is for M-Sport, Latvala for Toyota and Mikkelsen for Citroen but it takes some time to rectify the contracts with all the drivers. There is also AbuDhabi-Total-red-Bull probelm in C3.

[spyros]

If Matton finds the budget then its a done deal,but i would love to see him in a fiesta.

[noel157]

They'd have to have him signed up well before then, in order to make the entry deadline for Monte Carlo...

December 16th so plenty of time.............

[er88]

I think Meeke is the last driver he must be afraid of. Maybe Hyundai is the place where to look. He has very good speed but not the consistency that Ogier has and no more strating position advantage as well (if he wins something). It is clear that Ogier is for M-Sport, Latvala for Toyota and Mikkelsen for Citroen but it takes some time to rectify the contracts with all the drivers. There is also AbuDhabi-Total-red-Bull probelm in C3.
If Meeke now has the best car he's a threat to Ogier. How big of a threat? Well we'll have to wait and see, but Meeke won't have to drive over the limit to match the VWs anymore in an older car. He's in the best team with a history of success, with a car that's been developed around him for a whole year. Plus, if Seb joins Msport you can be sure that he'll have to get used to some reliability issues that could maybe cost him pts. The VW was absolutely brilliant in that regard, to the point that I doubt the Ford can match that (particularly in the first half of the year with the expected teething problems).

Ogier is obviously massive favourite for the championship still, but to dismiss Meeke as the last driver Seb should be afraid of is wrong. What Kris needs is a good solid start to the championship, and that's possible after the pace he's shown previously on the Monte.

As for other contenders, Paddon is still quite a bit away. He's miles off the pace on tarmac and didn't kick on as much as everyone thought after his Argentina win. Tanak can be absolutely rapid, but the jury is out on how he can cope with the pressure of being in a main team, and whether he can hold his nerve when locked in a fight for wins. I have high hopes for him though.
Neuville seems to have his mojo back but it remains to be seen whether he has the raw speed to match the likes of Seb, Meeke or Tanak if he's in a fight to win. Andreas is one of the better drivers but who is he going to be driving for? Plus he's very rarely shown signs of rally winning pace, despite being in the best car and team for the last few years. Now he won't be.

Where Seb ends up depends on a few factors; Whether or not he wants to face Meeke in the car that's been built around Kris, but where he knows he'll have equal machinery. If he joins Msport, that to me says that the Fiesta made a big impression on him during the test. Ogier won't have really been comparing the Fiesta to the Yaris, he'll have been comparing the Fiesta to the feeling of the VW. If the Fiesta feels similar in quality to the Polo that Seb has spent a year testing, he'll be a Msport driver. However if it's quite a bit weaker, i can see Ogier going to Citroen without even needing to test that car before signing a contract. We know the C3 will be on the pace considering Citroen's history and them taking a year out purely to develop this car.

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[tomhlord]

Rule confirmations - http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-confirms-running-order-rule-change-for-2017-855579/

[Jack4688`]

...It is clear that Ogier is for M-Sport, Latvala for Toyota and Mikkelsen for Citroen...

Is it?!

[EstWRC]

The World Rally Championship's controversial running order regulations have officially been changed for 2017, with the FIA World Motorsport Council also approving the calendar.

WRC champion Sebastien Ogier had campaigned for change all season, having run at the front of the field for the first two days of every rally under rules that hampered the points leader.

Wednesday's Vienna meeting confirmed the championship leader will only be at the front on day one, with Saturday and Sunday running the priority crews in reverse order, which means the slowest World Rally Car first.

The WMSC also rubber-stamped the creation of the WRC Trophy for drivers of World Rally Cars from 2016 or earlier.



Private crews will register for their favoured seven rallies from the 13-round calendar with six scores to count.

Michelin and DMACK are the only registered tyre suppliers for next season and M-Sport has been awarded the contract to supply R2 cars to the FIA Junior World Rally Championship.

Prior to Citroen's DS3 R3 being used, the Cumbrian firm's Fiestas were used when the series was known as WRC Academy.

The 13-round calendar was also confirmed with Poland included.

Turkey and China had been on a reserve list, but neither made the final schedule.

2017 WRC CALENDAR

January 20-22: Monte Carlo
February 10-12: Sweden
March 10-12: Mexico
April 7-9: Corsica
April 28-30: Argentina
May 19-21: Portugal
June 9-11: Italy
June 30-July 2: Poland
July 28-30: Finland
August 18-20: Germany
October 6-8: Spain
October 27-29: GB
November 17-19: Australia


https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127341

[MM WRC]

Tänak is fast only in fast gravel rallies such as Poland, Finland and UK (if it's dry). Otherwise he can't finish in top five if nobody retires.

I don't think we will see Ogier in Citroen. They can't pay him enough. Their budget is probably big enough but the image of PSA would suffer big time if they hired him for big enough sum of money, while making hundreds or even thousands of factory employees redundant.

[Andre Oliveira]

FIA World Rally Championship

The start order for World Championship rallies from 2017 has been amended and is now based purely on performance:

- Day 1: All cars start according to the actual Championship classification

- Day 2: P1 drivers start in the reverse order of the actual rally classification after Day 1. Other drivers start in the order of the rally classification.

- Day 3: P1 drivers start in the reverse order of the actual rally classification after Day 2. Other drivers start in the order of the rally classification.

P1 drivers re-starting in Rally 2 will start at the end of the P1 group.

The start order of the first rally of the Championship will be based on the Championship classification of the previous year.

A WRC Trophy has been created for drivers and co-drivers participating in pre-2017 specification WRC cars. The maximum number of qualifying rallies is seven and the driver and co-driver who have scored the highest total of points in six of the qualifying rallies will win the titles. If less than five competitors register, no titles will be awarded.

M-Sport has been awarded the contract to supply R2 cars for the FIA Junior WRC Championship for 2017 and 2018.

Michelin Competition and DMACK Tyres are the registered tyre companies for the 2017 FIA World Rally Championship.

[Lousada]

Tänak is fast only in fast gravel rallies such as Poland, Finland and UK (if it's dry). Otherwise he can't finish in top five if nobody retires.

I don't think we will see Ogier in Citroen. They can't pay him enough. Their budget is probably big enough but the image of PSA would suffer big time if they hired him for big enough sum of money, while making hundreds or even thousands of factory employees redundant.

Citroën will pay the same, if not more, than M-Sport. And both will pay substantially less than his current contract with VAG.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Meeke as Ogier challenger and needing a good start in Monte Carlo - it's a pity he and Citroen didnt make sure he got more points in 2016 for a better road position on the first 2017 event.

He could have really poor road conditions where he will start from and struggle to match the pace of Ogier, Neuville, Mikkelsen etc.

Not an ideal way to start the new season, playing catch-up already...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I have a feeling Ogier will sign for Citroen. They car is likely to be faster than the M-sport car, he knows the team (or some of it), the money will be better and most importantly he is in the same car as the bloke he probably considers his biggest threat in terms of speed.

Ogier wont risk playing catch-up to Meeke, so being in the same car seems like the sensible option. OK, the Citroen might be slow than the Ford and Hyundai, but it is unlikely.

From a sporting point of view and to add more excitement to a pretty dull championship fight, it would be better if Ogier was in a Ford; however, realistically his best option is Citroen.

Ogier would have to swallow some big pride to return to Citroen after the way he left.

I think he would love to beat them again and the Fiesta will be good enough for him to do that.

[Andre Oliveira]

Re Meeke as Ogier challenger and needing a good start in Monte Carlo - it's a pity he and Citroen didnt make sure he got more points in 2016 for a better road position on the first 2017 event.

He could have really poor road conditions where he will start from and struggle to match the pace of Ogier, Neuville, Mikkelsen etc.

Not an ideal way to start the new season, playing catch-up already...

Points are atribued by manufacter, no Citroën offcially means last numbers (only Toyota will have higher).

[COD]

C3's Launch Event is cancelled : http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/citroen-anula-la-presentacion-del-c3-wrc-35554?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

VW all over again?

[Walach]

Re Meeke as Ogier challenger and needing a good start in Monte Carlo - it's a pity he and Citroen didnt make sure he got more points in 2016 for a better road position on the first 2017 event.

He could have really poor road conditions where he will start from and struggle to match the pace of Ogier, Neuville, Mikkelsen etc.

Not an ideal way to start the new season, playing catch-up already...
Or he could have much better road conditions where he will start from and take advantage of it. Might be ideal way to start the new season...
... I mean, lets not forget this is Rally Monte Carlo. It would not be for the first time when drivers with higher starting number have perfect conditions on first day and I am pretty sure not the last time, too.

[Rally Power]

VW all over again?

Nope...revistascratch change it, now they’re saying that Citroen will launch the C3 WRC on Dec 21 in Abu Dahi: http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/citroen-fija-la-fecha-de-presentacion-del-c3-wrc-35554

Will they also change their last scoop?: “Few hours for Ogier to become an MSport driver”
http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/ogier-a-pocas-horas-de-ser-piloto-de-m-sport-35558

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Points are atribued by manufacter, no Citroën offcially means last numbers (only Toyota will have higher).

So Meeke's 2016 Drivers Championship finishing position means nothing as his team wasnt doing the full season ?

[Andre Oliveira]

17. SEASONALLY ALLOCATED COMPETITION NUMBERS
17.1 MANUFACTURER AND WRC TEAMS
The World Champion driver of the previous season is allocated number 1. The second driver of the World Champion’s team is allocated number 2. Using the same system, the numbers are then allocated by the FIA according to the classification of the previous year’s Manufacturers’ Championship. Remaining P1 drivers, other than those using a number under Art. 17.3, shall be allocated sequential numbers by the organiser up to number 30.
17.2 WRC 2 AND WRC 3
17.2.1 Competition numbers between 31 and 60 for WRC 2 competitors and between 61 and 80 for WRC 3 competitors will be allocated rally by rally, according to the provisional classification of the Championships concerned. Greater numbers may be allocated if required.
17.3 NUMBER REQUESTS
P1 drivers may request a specific number which differs from the above provided that the application is endorsed by the Promoter.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That is just about the car numbers.
Wont Neuville start next after Ogier at Monte even if his number is 4 ? 2016 Ch"ship order ?

[Andre Oliveira]

Championship classification means the order of the provisional classification of the respective Championship for Drivers for the current year. For the first round of the Championship, the start order shall be that of the final classification of the previous year. The FIA shall decide the order of drivers who were not classified in the previous year.

[EstWRC]

yes, they go by championship order

a long interview with Tänak in estonian newspaper and i thought some bits may interest you. i translated it question-answer format. ill start with the most interesting one.

- You were there when Ogier was testing the new car. Was there anything to learn from him or was it just a test ride and there wasnt really a working process?

Tänak: Ogier is very professional. Did i learn something, i dont know. Ogier came, saw and drove the car and left. We had a little chat, shared our thoughts and altogether we had the same opinion about the car. Every driver has his driving style and favourite set-up but in general the understanding about the car we have is the same.


- the current car and the new car you are testing are very different. Did you have to change your mindset when going from one car to another?

Tänak: Yes, the cars are different and the biggest difference is in power. Old machines feel powerless compared to the new ones. In the beginning it was difficult to get used to it in testing and at rallies but after some time it got easier. We knew what to expect.

- Next season every team will come out with new car. What do you think, how the field is shaking up?

Tänak: It will be interesting. Everyone is hoping that the cars will be equal and the competition will be tight. I believe it will be because the requirements and terms set by FIA are quite restricted and the clever engineers are able to get maximum out of the car right away. We will get a some kind of picture in Monte how the cars are working in different conditions.

- How do you rate the new Ford?

Tänak: It feels a good car. How good it really is, depends how good car the others have. We are really close to ideal conditon - M-sport has done a really good job.

- The cars are getting more powerful. In 80's they went the same route that the cars went powerful, lighter and it made the sport dangerous. Can the danger be avoided now?

Tänak: Now safety is more important than it was back then and i want to believe that everything is under control. Safety is number one and after that everything is made to make it more spectacular. Back then the cars were powerful but there was very little control over the cars, now they have much more control. With these new cars, it will depend a lot about driving skills and big balls (this is my translation, he did say courage) and to make big gaps should be easier.

[Leon]

yes, they go by championship order

a long interview with Tänak in estonian newspaper and i thought some bits may interest you. i translated it question-answer format. ill start with the most interesting one.

- You were there when Ogier was testing the new car. Was there anything to learn from him or was it just a test ride and there wasnt really a working process?

Tänak: Ogier is very professional. Did i learn something, i dont know. Ogier came, saw and drove the car and left. We had a little chat, shared our thoughts and altogether we had the same opinion about the car. Every driver has his driving style and favourite set-up but in general the understanding about the car we have is the same.


- the current car and the new car you are testing are very different. Did you have to change your mindset when going from one car to another?

Tänak: Yes, the cars are different and the biggest difference is in power. Old machines feel powerless compared to the new ones. In the beginning it was difficult to get used to it in testing and at rallies but after some time it got easier. We knew what to expect.

- Next season every team will come out with new car. What do you think, how the field is shaking up?

Tänak: It will be interesting. Everyone is hoping that the cars will be equal and the competition will be tight. I believe it will be because the requirements and terms set by FIA are quite restricted and the clever engineers are able to get maximum out of the car right away. We will get a some kind of picture in Monte how the cars are working in different conditions.

- How do you rate the new Ford?

Tänak: It feels a good car. How good it really is, depends how good car the others have. We are really close to ideal conditon - M-sport has done a really good job.

- The cars are getting more powerful. In 80's they went the same route that the cars went powerful, lighter and it made the sport dangerous. Can the danger be avoided now?

Tänak: Now safety is more important than it was back then and i want to believe that everything is under control. Safety is number one and after that everything is made to make it more spectacular. Back then the cars were powerful but there was very little control over the cars, now they have much more control. With these new cars, it will depend a lot about driving skills and big balls (this is my translation, he did say courage) and to make big gaps should be easier.

thank you EstWRC

[EstWRC]

any time :)

[EstWRC]

Hyundai launch stream here in less than 10 minutes http://motorsport.hyundai.com/livestream/

direct link http://dsweblab.com/hyundai/

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CylVmdCXEAA6qQ3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CylVp8SXUAAvQcD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CylVvwiXAAA_DgX.jpg

[bassist]

Hyundai launch stream here in less than 10 minutes http://motorsport.hyundai.com/livestream/

direct link http://dsweblab.com/hyundai/

Pretty little thing.

[Duvel]

Pretty little thing.


Will be hard for the others to try and beat that look, really nice!
Sure hope it's as fast as it looks good.

[Jack4688`]

Will be hard for the others to try and beat that look, really nice!
Sure hope it's as fast as it looks good.

The base car is lower in relation to its width, relative to the others, so none of them will appear similar to that - the Yaris is overly short and the Fiesta, of both the outgoing generation and the new one launched this week, are quite narrow and tall.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good to read that interview with Tanak, especially re Ogier & the 2017 Fiesta, "we had the same opinion about the car".

Tanak has been prasing the new car highly in testing, so it would appear Ogier did too...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The new i20 looks a very tidy design, but I dont think it will turn heads in awe or excitement.

[smsgrafica]

I admit the livery does a very good job making the car look way better.

[Simmi]

Hyundai got the dark blue paint out once VW left then haha.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I admit the livery does a very good job making the car look way better.

On the contrary I think the livery helps hide the big arches and front aero...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TN on the new Hyundai:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/neuville-title-bid-/page/4121--12-12-.html

By the way, why is it called the i20 Coupe ?

[itix]

On the contrary I think the livery helps hide the big arches and front aero...

Agreed, the white test car was really good looking and the livery ruined it a bit

[Mirek]

By the way, why is it called the i20 Coupe ?

That's the name of the stock 3-door version, at least on some markets.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's the name of the stock 3-door version, at least on some markets.

Bit silly when its not a different body shell to the 5-door. Plus they also have the Veloster which IS a coupe.

[RS]

Manufacturers like to call anything three door a Coupe these days. BMW called that hideous 1 Series 3-door saloon a Coupe too.

[MM WRC]

Agreed, the white test car was really good looking and the livery ruined it a bit

Well, also the 2016 livery was quite ugly at first but now it actually looks pretty good. And my initial reaction to this was better than last year.

[RICARDO75]

TN on the new Hyundai:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/neuville-title-bid-/page/4121--12-12-.html

By the way, why is it called the i20 Coupe ?

It's an hatchback coupe, like Scirocco. Visually, one of the most striking common features in this type of bodywork is the gentle slope of the last column of the top/roof.

[Jack4688`]

Manufacturers like to call anything three door a Coupe these days. BMW called that hideous 1 Series 3-door saloon a Coupe too.

What car are you talking about?

[RS]

What car are you talking about?

This thing:

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/BMW-1-Series-Coupe--E82--4332_41.jpg

[itix]

This thing:

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/BMW-1-Series-Coupe--E82--4332_41.jpg

Funny how opinions can differ so much. That's the best looking BMW since the 2003 m3 if you ask me.

[RS]

Funny how opinions can differ so much. That's the best looking BMW since the 2003 m3 if you ask me.

Really?

Most of the BMW range is pretty ugly or bland to my eyes, but the main problem with the 1 series is that the bonnet is too long which makes the whole thing look out of proportion.

The large (proper) coupes like the M4 and M6 are quite nice, but for me the i8 is by far and away the best in their range.

[Mirek]

Bit silly when its not a different body shell to the 5-door. Plus they also have the Veloster which IS a coupe.

It is different bodyshell.

Why 4-door 5 seat Veloster is Coupé and 3-door 5 seat i20 is not? An honest question.

[HaCo]

When do you guys think we can expect news from Ogier?

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[Andre Oliveira]

After tomorrow ceremony

[EstWRC]

Next week then because we will have weekend

[itix]

Really?

Most of the BMW range is pretty ugly or bland to my eyes, but the main problem with the 1 series is that the bonnet is too long which makes the whole thing look out of proportion.

The large (proper) coupes like the M4 and M6 are quite nice, but for me the i8 is by far and away the best in their range.
I was never a fan of BMW either even though it is the German car maker I like the best (bar small ones like Weissman etc).

Anyway, we are going off topic. Back to the main subject.

[dimviii]

"We all agreed that the current regulations were too unfair to the championship leader," Thierry Neuville commented on Thursday. A decision that should further motivate Sébastien Ogier to retake next year and thus to join a new team after the withdrawal of VW. "I would like to see him at M-Sport, but I see him at Citroën, because it seems so logical," said the Hyundai Belgian. In any case, I hope he will be there because a Championship without him would devalue the title. Nobody is unbeatable, but Seb is harder to beat than the others. "

"I would see him at M-Sport," attests Michel Nandan. Because it would be less difficult to beat a Ford? "Of course, a Seb Ogier at the wheel of a Citroen, it can be dreadful," admits the boss of Hyundai, amused.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Rallye/Actualites/Thierry-neuville-attend-sebastien-ogier/755500

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's an hatchback coupe, like Scirocco. Visually, one of the most striking common features in this type of bodywork is the gentle slope of the last column of the top/roof.

The Scirocco is a seperate model and coupe bodyshell. There is a 3-door Golf which isnt called a coupe.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It is different bodyshell.

Why 4-door 5 seat Veloster is Coupé and 3-door 5 seat i20 is not? An honest question.

Just having a different no. of doors doesnt make them different models. I have a 3-door Focus ST but its the same car as the 5-door.

[Mirek]

Just having a different no. of doors doesnt make them different models. I have a 3-door Focus ST but its the same car as the 5-door.

You spoke about bodyshells. 3-door I20 and 5-door I20 have different bodyshells. That's a fact.

[WUff1]

Maybe this evening in Vienna, where he gets his trophy (with all other FIA world champions).

[tomhlord]

Just having a different no. of doors doesnt make them different models. I have a 3-door Focus ST but its the same car as the 5-door.

A Focus isn't an i20.

[Andre Oliveira]

If Ogier goes to Ford and beat (normal) Neuville, we will remember that interview :)

[EightGear]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/5841902791f62/5841902789857-ogier.png

[Rally Power]

"We all agreed that the current regulations were too unfair to the championship leader," Thierry Neuville commented on Thursday.

Funny how so many people inside WRC are now saying the order rule was unfair but they stood quiet during the last two years…

[EstWRC]

"We all agreed that the current regulations were too unfair to the championship leader," Thierry Neuville commented on Thursday. A decision that should further motivate Sébastien Ogier to retake next year and thus to join a new team after the withdrawal of VW. "I would like to see him at M-Sport, but I see him at Citroën, because it seems so logical," said the Hyundai Belgian. In any case, I hope he will be there because a Championship without him would devalue the title. Nobody is unbeatable, but Seb is harder to beat than the others. "

"I would see him at M-Sport," attests Michel Nandan. Because it would be less difficult to beat a Ford? "Of course, a Seb Ogier at the wheel of a Citroen, it can be dreadful," admits the boss of Hyundai, amused.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Rallye/Actualites/Thierry-neuville-attend-sebastien-ogier/755500

So they already know that Ford isnt as good as Citroen?