[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

[Andre Oliveira]

I only know that it's my wish to be true.

I think only Citroën, Hyundai and Toyota fans don't wish it too :)


If true, it would be a bit sad to have him at M-Sport for only one season. I'd understand if he wouldn't want to take the risk of binning more than one year if the car is not good, but I'd like to see a 2 year contract, as a minimum.

Maybe 1 + option (rational choice by the champ).

[smsgrafica]

From Google Translate:


The references indicate that even Malcolm Wilson would not attend the Australian date to finalize all aspects related to the contract and prepare the logistics to immediately start the French tests.

They also have an article on Latvala to Toyota: http://www.rallynoticias.com/nivel2.php?id_noticia=11873

From Google Translate:


Within the framework of multiple references, the range of possibilities begins to be narrowed after the cancellation of VW activity in the WRC.

Today, with great force, the possibility is established for Tommi Makinen to fulfill his dream of presenting an all Finnish team.

In fact, the negotiations with Ogier seem to have failed, mainly because the economic option from MSport seems insurmountable.

In this way all signs mark the hiring of Jari Matti Latvala and Esapekka Lappi next to Juho Hanninen to start in January next season.

With 31 years, 10 world victories and a potential that can not be ignored, Latvala will look for the denied opportunity of a title at the highest level.

[Simmi]

If true, it would be a bit sad to have him at M-Sport for only one season. I'd understand if he wouldn't want to take the risk of binning more than one year if the car is not good, but I'd like to see a 2 year contract, as a minimum.

Ogier doesn't need the long-term security so much as he knows he'll be able to move again easily in 12 months time. A one-year deal seems perfectly logical. Could be further options to remain if Ford come back to the WRC. But this will allow Ogier to see which team has built the best car too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"the references indicate that even Malcom Wilson would not contest the Australian date to finalize all aspects related to the contract and prepare the logistics to start immediately trials of the Frenchman"

Please be true !

[kirungi okwogera]

I bet Paddon doesn't sleep well at night nowadays given Neuville's recent form.

I don't understand - I'm quite a big supporter of Paddon and I am also a fan of Neuville. Does the fact that they are not friends personally and the fact that it was because of Paddon that the public knows they aren't friends mean that he must think Neuville must do worse than him, or that his fans should wish Neuville to do badly? That sounds nuts. Especially since they are on the same team, but even if they weren't.

[kirungi okwogera]

"the references indicate that even Malcom Wilson would not contest the Australian date to finalize all aspects related to the contract and prepare the logistics to start immediately trials of the Frenchman"

Please be true !

This would be logical for them to do if the story holds true. As long as Ogier is in the series in a competitive car to everyone else, I'm happy.

[sollitt]

I bet Paddon doesn't sleep well at night nowadays given Neuville's recent form.

I imagine that Paddon is professional enough to develop his own form and not concern himself with others.

[EstWRC]

not a trustworthy site it seems?

JoMoWRC ‏@JoMoWRC 40m40 minutes ago
@eWRCresults Ogier won't move anywhere until Rally Australia is complete. Never trust an argentinian site. They just want your visit. ;)

Adolfo Murrieta Glez ‏@adolfonline 12m12 minutes ago
@JoMoWRC @eWRCresults I'm totally agree with you @JoMoWRC

[stefanvv]

not a trustworthy site it seems?

JoMoWRC ‏@JoMoWRC 40m40 minutes ago
@eWRCresults Ogier won't move anywhere until Rally Australia is complete. Never trust an argentinian site. They just want your visit. ;)

Adolfo Murrieta Glez ‏@adolfonline 12m12 minutes ago
@JoMoWRC @eWRCresults I'm totally agree with you @JoMoWRC

I was just about to ask if they have something about Mikkelsen & Lappi as well, but nevermind.

[sollitt]

Well for sure it was clear from the very beginning that Paddon obviously couldn´t smell Neuville. It was starting from Paddon, Neuville always stayed calm about this.
I think you're reading a different script to everyone else.

My recollection is that, when he arrived at Hyundai, Paddon was respectful of both his team mates and looking forward to learning from them. It was only when he started showing them a clean pair of heels consistently and Neuville buckled under pressure that the trouble started, firstly by management pointing out the obvious and then with Neuville reacting poorly ... at one point even accusing Paddon of sabotage.
I think you'll find that fans of Paddon actually hold a great deal of admiration for Neuville and hope that both can work together to achieve the ultimate prize for the team.

[Rally Power]

too late for Kris according to these guys: Ogier would be confirmed on Monday as MSport pilot for a season... Note in http://www.rallynoticias.com


The most interesting part is this one:

“Ogier could claim a compensation from VW for financial loss and that option was settled giving a big help to MSport budget, as VW will pay Ogier next season salary.”

Problably that’s why it’s said this is only a one year deal.

The internet seems perfect to create or spread rumors…it’d be nice to see this one turning out to be true.

[dimviii]

and then with Neuville reacting poorly ... at one point even accusing Paddon of sabotage.
.
there were some rumors about Paddons manager that was very good friend of Penasse.
of course Neuville hadnt helped himself with his interviews,when he was underperforming.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So four drivers have recently tested the 2017 Fiesta... maybe M-Sport are trying to accelerate the 'shakedown' of the car before Ogier tries it ?

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport

1. Ogier
2. Tänak
3. Camilli

DMACK
Evans

Adapta
Østberg (2016 car in MC)

so, according Wilson 6 cars in Portugal,

maybe Prokop (he tested 2017 car in first sessions)?

[Lundefaret]

Latest rumours - dont know if its true - is that Toyota will not have Latvala or Mikkelsen because then they cant blame drivers if car is not fast enough.
these rumours say Häninen, Lappi and Suninen.
If this is the case I will be deeply disapointed.
No disrespect too lappi and Suninen, byt when you have two top drivers like Latvala and Mikkelsen floating around, this is the chance of a life time, and those two would speed up the development prosess immensely. And would make Toyota a contender from the word go.

[smsgrafica]

Latest rumours - dont know if its true - is that Toyota will not have Latvala or Mikkelsen

It would be shocking, if true. And it would practically leave one of them or even both without a proper seat for next year...

[Andre Oliveira]

Mikkelsen in Adapta Team Norway?
Latvala to WRX?

[Andre Oliveira]

Latest rumours - dont know if its true - is that Toyota will not have Latvala or Mikkelsen because then they cant blame drivers if car is not fast enough.
these rumours say Häninen, Lappi and Suninen.
If this is the case I will be deeply disapointed.
No disrespect too lappi and Suninen, byt when you have two top drivers like Latvala and Mikkelsen floating around, this is the chance of a life time, and those two would speed up the development prosess immensely. And would make Toyota a contender from the word go.

Maybe "move" to Toyota grow the offer?

[smsgrafica]

Maybe "move" to Toyota grow the offer?

Well, it's stated that Toyota doesn't want the drivers, not the other way around.

[Rally Power]

Latest rumours - dont know if its true - is that Toyota will not have Latvala or Mikkelsen because then they cant blame drivers if car is not fast enough.

Come on Lundefauret, that’s not a rumor, that’s a joke…

Anyone can believe that Makinen would prefer to spend 2 or 3 millions of Toy’s budget on his team development than on a top driver salary, bur if he can get Latvala or Mikkelsen almost for free (considering VW’s likely compensations) there’s no way he wouldn’t take them, even if the car turns out to be a crap (which I don’t believe).

[stefanvv]

then they cant blame drivers if car is not fast enough.

What's that supposed to mean?

[AL14]

If those two drivers will not go to Toyota it would be because they don't want to... Makkinen would be totally crazy it that's true. No way that rumour is true. But well, I was sure also that Britain would have remained in UE and Hillary would have won but...

[sollitt]

... bur if he can get Latvala or Mikkelsen almost for free (considering VW’s likely compensations) ...I struggle to understand what some of you are thinking here. Where do you get the impression that these drivers are available "for free" because of the "compensation" they will get from VW?

[Simmi]

Latest rumours - dont know if its true - is that Toyota will not have Latvala or Mikkelsen because then they cant blame drivers if car is not fast enough.
these rumours say Häninen, Lappi and Suninen.
If this is the case I will be deeply disapointed.

These were the three guys Motorsport News said were about to sign - prior to the VW issue kicking off.

Bit strange they were so clearly after Meeke then if this is where they are now at. I'm not sure to be honest. It's a long-term commitment from Toyota so why not get quick guys in from the word go. If it is true then all the sh*t this forum has slung at Toyota would be warranted.

[Simmi]

Tommi saying he'll look at all possibilities - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127041/toyota-interested-in-vw-drivers-for-2017?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[skarderud]

Mikkelsen has been in meetings with mäkinen, according to rumours in Norway. Same rumour says latvala quit WRC, going to be official after Australia. I don't know if the rumour is belivable.

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[BigWorm]

Mikkelsen has been in meetings with mäkinen, according to rumours in Norway. Same rumour says latvala quit WRC, going to be official after Australia. I don't know if the rumour is belivable.

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A bit Hirvonen-esque if he quits after a bad season.

[bassist]

A bit Hirvonen-esque if he quits after a bad season.

One `Bad` season !!!! Perhaps he`s finally realised that despite being one of the quickest around, he just aint got it!

[Rally Power]

I struggle to understand what some of you are thinking here. Where do you get the impression that these drivers are available "for free" because of the "compensation" they will get from VW?

We don’t know VW’s drivers contract clauses, but generally contracts can be disputed and additional compensations claimed when the contract purpose is not respected by the employer. One possible settlement can be a deal with a new employer, in order to share the employee salary payement till the projected duration of the contract expires. This means MSport could only pay a small part (or even nothing) of Ogier’s wage till the end of ’17.

[Allez Andruet]

Mikkelsen has been in meetings with mäkinen, according to rumours in Norway. Same rumour says latvala quit WRC, going to be official after Australia. I don't know if the rumour is belivable.
No, it's completely false. Latvala himself and his manager Timo Jouhki have repeatedly said on Finnish media that quitting the WRC is not an option.

And regarding Mikkelsen, in this story
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000001950650.html
published yesterday in Finnish media, Mäkinen says that Mikkelsen is not the #1 choice for Toyota.

[Danny0405]

No, it's completely false. Latvala himself and his manager Timo Jouhki have repeatedly said on Finnish media that quitting the WRC is not an option.

And regarding Mikkelsen, in this story
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000001950650.html
published yesterday in Finnish media, Mäkinen says that Mikkelsen is not the #1 choice for Toyota.

No surprise for Mikkelsen.
If Ogier chose M-Sport, there will be only one seat for either Latvala or Mikkelsen.

If Makinen prefers Latvala, it will be difficult for Mikkelsen to find a seat for next year (at least the beginning of the season).
Hanninen must drive full-year, especially the rallyes in the beginning, as he was the development driver. The third seat will only be part-season so Makinen will probably prefer a young driver such as Lappi of Suninen.

If Ogier goes to M-Sport, Tanak has yet signed and he has shown he is fast. And as a third driver, Malcolm may be forced to take a pay driver as Ostberg (or in the worst case Bertelli) or to keep Camilli to avoid to pay contract release.

D-Mack could be an option but they may prefer Evans who is a consistent driver and knows their tyres. However, D-Mack may have a great opportunity to make a good season if they sign a Evans-Mikkelsen line-up.

[Lundefaret]

Lavalas heart and passion is pure Rallying. If he doesn't get a seat at Toyota, or Dmack, my guess is that he will even pay for driving - if that is required. Latvala has a true passion for the sport.

[EstWRC]

if i would be Dick Cormack i would any day take Latvala or Mikkelsen instead of Evans...nothing against Evans but the speed and experience that Mikkelsen and Latvala have is just another level...but i guess its not just up to Cormack to decide and i think these two guys have too big egos to go such a small team and not having the best tire.

[BicioWrc]

Lavalas heart and passion is pure Rallying. If he doesn't get a seat at Toyota, or Dmack, my guess is that he will even pay for driving - if that is required. Latvala has a true passion for the sport.
Yeah like Petter Solberg :) i adore them!

[sollitt]

We don’t know VW’s drivers contract clauses, but generally contracts can be disputed and additional compensations claimed when the contract purpose is not respected by the employer. One possible settlement can be a deal with a new employer, in order to share the employee salary payement till the projected duration of the contract expires. This means MSport could only pay a small part (or even nothing) of Ogier’s wage till the end of ’17.

Possible but unlikely.
No, we don't know what is in the contracts ... but we can make an educated guess.
The drivers will get a termination payout, which may, or may not, be equivalent to a year's salary. Or more.
After which they'll be free agents on the open market.
If they choose to discount their services due to their Beetleworks payout that's up to them.
Does Seb seem like the charitable type to you?

[N.O.T]

he will even pay for driving

So business as usual then...

[Sub_Skoda]

If Andreas don't have a wheel in 2017 it will be very sad! He deserves a lot since 2013, so he haved to be in WRC next season!
Camilli, Breen or Lefebvre with a seat and not Mikkelsen ? That's a very bad joke!

[Lundefaret]

If Andreas don't have a wheel in 2017 it will be very sad! He deserves a lot since 2013, so he haved to be in WRC next season!
Camilli, Breen or Lefebvre with a seat and not Mikkelsen ? That's a very bad joke!

If Andreas dont get either a factory or a privateer (Dmack) drive, it will be a big shame...
If this is the case I am guessing Skoda R5 and developing Polo R5

[AL14]

M-sport has at least 1 place available. Toyota has 2. They are the three best driver in the world. I think they all will get a seat.
The problem is for guys like Lappi and Suninen that will struggle to have the chance they deserve next year. These trains don't pass too many times...

[Mirek]

I bet Toyota has at least two drivers signed already for weeks.

[Danny0405]

M-sport has at least 1 place available. Toyota has 2. They are the three best driver in the world. I think they all will get a seat.
The problem is for guys like Lappi and Suninen that will struggle to have the chance they deserve next year. These trains don't pass too many times...

I don't think Makinen is interested in having both Latvala and Mikkelsen.
He is forced to use Hanninen as a full-time driver as he was the development driver.
And the third seat is only part-season, I am pretty sure (and he said it many time in interviews) that he is interested in developing the future star so he will Try Lappi or Suninen

[stefanvv]

I bet Toyota has at least two drivers signed already for weeks.

That excludes Lappi I guess.

[RS]

M-sport has at least 1 place available. Toyota has 2. They are the three best driver in the world. I think they all will get a seat.

Mikkelsen and Latvala are third and sixth in the championship in a car that was capable of winning the world title with two events to spare. I don't think it's that clear these two are in the best three.

I don't want to lose them but it would be sad to see their continuation damage the career of upcoming drivers, especially in the case of Latvala who has had his chances when there are two young and fast Finns waiting in the wings.

[Rally Power]

Does Seb seem like the charitable type to you?

Not really, but a deal like this could become very profitable in a not so distant future. Probably, only Toyota will be able to pay Ogier the same, or even more, than the germans did. Like many already said, a one year deal would allow to know if the Yaris can be competitive. For sure Citroen won’t be searching on PSA's not so deep pockets just to get him for one season, that’s why a VW/MSport arrangement may turn quite handy. And since we’re on wild guessing mode, who knows if Detroit won’t give him a wealthy contract extension at the end of ’17…

[Mirek]

That excludes Lappi I guess.

Why?

[CWJ]

For me its all speculation, nobody has signed anything yet. First they finish season in Australia, after that they will test different cars. Then they decide.

[N.O.T]

For me its all speculation, nobody has signed anything yet. First they finish season in Australia, after that they will test different cars. Then they decide.

I do not think anyone is going to test anything without a contract.

[stefanvv]

Why?

Didn't he left Skoda already? They can announce him freely in that case.

[Mirek]

No, he is driving for Škoda in Australia where he may become a WRC2 champion. This still doesn't mean anything regarding Toyota except that such possible deal shall not be publicly spoken about.

[AL14]

Mikkelsen and Latvala are third and sixth in the championship in a car that was capable of winning the world title with two events to spare. I don't think it's that clear these two are in the best three.

I don't want to lose them but it would be sad to see their continuation damage the career of upcoming drivers, especially in the case of Latvala who has had his chances when there are two young and fast Finns waiting in the wings.

yeah yeah, I meant "they are among the best" not the best three. :)
Still I think they will all get a seat in a way or another and guys like suninen or lappi should be more worried than them.

[CWJ]

I do not think anyone is going to test anything without a contract.

Lets wait and see if SebO is to catch that easy.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Reported L'Equipe brief interview with Malcolm Wilson (translation):

Q: Malcolm, tell us about the negotiations with Sébastien Ogier.

Malcolm Wilson: He has yet to settle some business, but last week we dealt with it on a daily basis. Most of my time I spend in the search for a solution that would allow me to next year seat Sebastien behind the wheel of one of our cars.

I've been dreaming about the opportunity to work with him, especially since the end of 2011, we were very close to signing a contract ( Ogier refused the offer of M-Sport, and a year ago, stayed in a Citroën guarantees equal status with Sébastien Loeb, what are the conditions met by the manufacturer was not). For this, I even miss Rally Australia, because I really want to do everything possible to get it.

Q: What are you currently working on specifically? Looking for sponsors who can pay for the appearance of Seb in the team?

Malcolm Wilson: Above all at once. M-Sport - the company - so that we can organize our work as we want. We can cut back on some investment, stop any activity or try to increase the amount of funding on the part of our partners.

Of course, we can not guarantee success - but I am convinced that we have a great car, and we all know, this is a capable driver. All we need now - a good budget.

Question: What are your arguments in your favour? The more you try to convince him to join it to your team?

Malcolm Wilson: The fact that M-Sport is still involved in the WRC ! We have already seen what can happen to any manufacturer, no matter how strong and assured it was.

In addition, we are confident in the potential of our new car. I would really like Seb to try it before we make some arrangement. If he gets out behind the wheel of our car, and says that it is not for him, I'll take it. But I really want him to test the car as soon as we can do it.

It is clear that we can not offer him all that he had in Volkswagen. However, he told me that a priority for him is the fact that car team that will allow him to win - and I am very glad to hear it.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Tommi Mäkinen comfirms crashing into a tree on Tuesday at #YarisWRC test. He hurt his ribs. http://urheiluuutiset.com/tommi-makinen-pukkari-toyotan-puuhun-sain-kunnian-olla-ensimmainen/ …

[Essaj]

Hopefully Tommi finally realized that there is actual drivers available to do all the testing.

[seb_sh]

It is clear that we can not offer him all that he had in Volkswagen. However, he told me that a priority for him is the fact that car team that will allow him to win - and I am very glad to hear it.

This is something I've felt about Ogier for a long time and I keep saying it. Most of all he wants to win. It's possible he will accept a salary compromise or a team-mate compromise (he is sure he can beat any current driver anyway) as long as he can have the best car and the best chance of winning.

[Simmi]

Pirelli will not homologate a WRC tyre for the new 2017 regulations - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127078/pirelli-drops-wrc-programme-for-2017?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[stefanvv]

Pirelli will not homologate a WRC tyre for the new 2017 regulations - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127078/pirelli-drops-wrc-programme-for-2017?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

With no interest from the factory teams they finally gave up.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is something I've felt about Ogier for a long time and I keep saying it. Most of all he wants to win. It's possible he will accept a salary compromise or a team-mate compromise (he is sure he can beat any current driver anyway) as long as he can have the best car and the best chance of winning.

Correct. That's what it's all about for Ogier - winning rallies.

He knows he can win the Championship overall, but he wants to do so by winning rallies. That's also what his complaints about the running order were all about.

[stefanvv]

So.... Wilson seems confident Fiesta can win rallies.... in proper hands (and feet).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So.... Wilson seems confident Fiesta can win rallies.... in proper hands (and feet).

Even the old (very old) Fiesta was still capable, as shown by Tanak this year...

[BigWorm]

So.... Wilson seems confident Fiesta can win rallies.... in proper hands (and feet).

They are due one I think.

[stefanvv]

Even the old (very old) Fiesta was still capable, as shown by Tanak this year...

Tanak didn't win some anyway, but I wasn't referring only to the "new" Fiesta.

[BigWorm]

Even the old (very old) Fiesta was still capable, as shown by Tanak this year...

It has never been slow, its poor results lately is down to the drivers they've had since 2012. Only Neuville and Tänak has shown what the car has been capable of since 2013.

[Mirek]

... and Kubica ;)

[pantealex]

I do not think anyone is going to test anything without a contract.

so, You believe that everyone who has tested FORD has contract with them ? What about TOYOTA, atleast 5 different drivers have tested it ?

[Franky]

Pantealex, are any of them active drivers in WRC with a current contract?

[N.O.T]

so, You believe that everyone who has tested FORD has contract with them ? What about TOYOTA, atleast 5 different drivers have tested it ?

Toyota is a village team of nothingness, they do not respect the project themselves, so who cares ?

We are talking about first class drivers here not just testers, i doubt teams are going to invite them to test the car and then make up their mind.

[Sulland]

Toyota is a village team of nothingness, they do not respect the project themselves, so who cares ?

We are talking about first class drivers here not just testers, i doubt teams are going to invite them to test the car and then make up their mind.

Depends what the options are. Toyota is the underdog in 17 anyway, so if one of them take the chance, they have little to loose. Alternarive is R5 in wrc2 or Erc. Easy choice.

[smsgrafica]

, i doubt teams are going to invite them to test the car and then make up their mind.
That's exactly what Wilson said about trying to get Ogier:


Reported L'Equipe brief interview with Malcolm Wilson (translation):
[...]
In addition, we are confident in the potential of our new car. I would really like Seb to try it before we make some arrangement. If he gets out behind the wheel of our car, and says that it is not for him, I'll take it. But I really want him to test the car as soon as we can do it.

[BigWorm]

... and Kubica ;)

Oh yes, forgot about him!

[Rallyper]

Toyota is a village team of nothingness, they do not respect the project themselves, so who cares ?

We are talking about first class drivers here not just testers, i doubt teams are going to invite them to test the car and then make up their mind.

When you talk to Pantealex you should worry. Better be silent.

[dimviii]

When you talk to Pantealex you should worry. Better be silent.

are you talking to God? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/omg.gif

[Essaj]

I don't really agree with all the hate towards Toyota, no one at the moment knows how is their speed going to be like in 2017.
They started their WRC program from scratch like 9 months ago. They tried to get the best drivers available but as we all know they all had different plans and current contracts which led to Toyota to pick Juho and I don't see any problem with that.
People who blame them to have mostly Finnish employees etc. are dumb. Why wouldn't they pick people they know and trust?
I know for a fact that there is also people working from outside of Finland and I think they are all capable to do their jobs.
One big false that they are doing is letting team principal to be one of their test drivers, that's just plain dumb for me.

[stefanvv]

I don't really agree with all the hate towards Toyota

I don't see any hate, only trolling - it's perfectly acceptable in 21st century.


One big false that they are doing is letting team principal to be one of their test drivers, that's just plain dumb for me.

I doubt it, but we'll see.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

One big false that they are doing is letting team principal to be one of their test drivers, that's just plain dumb for me.

Even Malcolm didn't testing his WRCar..

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[GravelBen]

Even Malcolm didn't testing his WRCar..

Why would he? Tommi is a multiple world champion who can provide a lot of useful feedback on the car (same with Gronholm as VW test driver), I don't think you can say the same about Malcom. He has done much better as a manager than he did as a driver.

[rallyfiend]

Malcolm drove the car once in his back yard.

Tommi has flown all over Europe to actually 'test' the car.

[GravelBen]

Tommi has flown all over Europe to actually 'test' the car.

And while it is unusual to do that job as well as being team principal, you can't deny that he does have the experience to be a very good test driver.

[Rallyper]

are you talking to God? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/omg.gif

No, just that "God" thinks he knows best, from people knowing better.

[EstWRC]

so, Ogier should be named as a m-sport driver today, im waiting patiently

[Fast Eddie WRC]

so, Ogier should be named as a m-sport driver today, im waiting patiently

Wilson said he planned to name his drivers today but the Ogier availability meant he now cant do that.

[Zermatt]

Last Monday was the planned date for the press conference to name the team before the VW Withdrawl. With there being a lot of speculation that this Monday would be when M-Sport would make an announcement . Cant see it happening until after Rally Australia myself.. But could be wrong.

[Rallyper]

Wilson said he planned to name his drivers today but the Ogier availability meant he now cant do that.

It should be wise to wait at least days after Australian WRC event. Maybe no proclamation until Ogier is released from VW contract.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Last Monday was the planned date for the press conference to name the team before the VW Withdrawl. With there being a lot of speculation that this Monday would be when M-Sport would make an announcement . Cant see it happening until after Rally Australia myself.. But could be wrong.

In his interview with L'Equipe Wilson said it was planned for today but the Ogier negotiations have delayed it.

[Zermatt]

right you are - do you have a link to the L'equipe article. I couldn't find it on their site.

[Eric]

Rumor has it that Toyota is very close to signing Latvala after meetings with both him and Mikkelsen. Only details left and they will announce it after rally australia. Wondering what the norwegian will do if this is right.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

right you are - do you have a link to the L'equipe article. I couldn't find it on their site.

I assume its in their premium section. I found the Wilson interview reported on twitter.

[OnlyRally]

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/2016/11/14/quel-avenir-et-quelle-destination-pour-sebastien-ogier-et-julien-ingrassia-210930.html

[BigWorm]

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/2016/11/14/quel-avenir-et-quelle-destination-pour-sebastien-ogier-et-julien-ingrassia-210930.html

What does it say? Excuse my French

[OnlyRally]

Google translate:

WHAT FUTURE AND WHAT DESTINATION AND SEBASTIAN OGIER JULIEN INGRASSIA?



All rumors lead back to Sébastien Ogier today.

And if Reb Bull was the solution?

The fabric ignites since the official announcement of the withdrawal of Volkswagen Motorsport WRC World Championship. Everyone has his revelation or a rumor again.

Ogier is sticking to a few releases, refusing all interview with the press. While speculation is rife ...

Only Malcolm Wilson does not hide his desire that the quadruple world champion tests his Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2017 before starting discussions further with the French driver.

But it is fair to Malcolm, director of its Independent Business M-Sport which has no manufacturer Ford resource today, if not technical support for approvals.



The other directors stables remain discreet today, but who really know their desires to recruit Ogier - Ingrassia duo a four-time WRC World champion over the last four seasons.

Others ignite a probable approval of Polo R 2017 December 1, with the idea that they are taken over by a private stable. But how can we believe this when Volkswagen has never hired one of his weapons for four years?

From then everyone has his hypothesis. Even Yves Matton director of Citroën Racing remains discreet by saying that it was Ogier to make contact with him and not vice versa. For intentions and claiming that the strategy in 2017 will be based at Citroen on youth.

The only certainty today is that many left tubs available for Teams of builders. While regulation WRC 2017 allows them engaged until ... six WRC on one sleeve. But only three will be registered to score points for the constructor championship. Then in the end, only the two best seats will be selected to be recorded.

But the real problem for the teams factory today is the World Championship WRC resumes in less than two months and unable to build multiple chassis and the stock of parts Rechan

Or, it will leave a crew on the floor or run on an older version or WRC 2 to make room for the French.



Therefore another rumor seems plausible for the arrival of Ogier.

That of the Austrian company Red Bull, with its financial power as a challenge!

It must be said and remembered that Ogier is now the ambassador of Reb Bull. See again Red Bull in red Citroën Racing, it seems unlikely, with Abu Dhabi, the main sponsor acytuel.

Ditto for Toyota Gazoo Racing with Microsoft.

The most serious trail finally seems that Malcolm Wilson, although there is the risk of leaving a crew already planned on the floor early in the season.

Red Bull manager reportedly told late last week that there are discussions between Ogier and Wilson.

Figures have even circulated ... talking about 50 million € with the management of salaries of Ogier and Ingrassia!

The discussions also relate and deal with the arrival of Mikkelsen World Champion at M-Sport, Ogier has never hidden his sympathy for Andreas.

But things do not seem as simple today. As Malcolm said, noting that he still has unfinished business on his side.

Finally, remember all the same that Sebastien Ogier still has a two-year contract, not with Volkswagen, but with the VAG group alongside Mikkelsen elsewhere!

Out according to several sources, it appears that the group would not also let go easily or pay his remaining two years of the contract.

Hence the hypothesis that whosoever Ogier will even put their hands in the pocket to buy out their contracts!

A penny counts now among the German group with the risk of huge fines for them and one euro cent is a penny ...

And here we are talking of over 10 million € over two years excluding bonuses.



Colin Clark, the voice of the WRC, implied this week that the French would sign a season at M- Sport, discussions between Reb and M-Sport portannt two seasons.

This time Wilson should have a significant advantage over other teams.

Since he himself is the sole decision-maker, while others must obtain the approval of their sponsors.

Something not so simple today!

Malcolm must have other ambitions than Ogier in terms of image already, that would be huge with the world champion, but also his views cars everywhere with the famous and prestigious number 1 on the doors.

The probable arrival of other sponsors and the opportunity to see a Ford back with deep pockets, because this summer there was a rumor announcing the return of the American giant in the WRC, not for 2017 but for 2018 ...

We understand better why Malcolm is doing everything possible to seduce Ogier, or has decided to postpone his departure to Australia last round of the Championship WRC.

Besides that Ogier is a locomotive and a fine director developed. Lately Christian Loriaux said if Ogier becomes an M-Sport driver he would be happy to work with him ...

Of course when it comes to contract everything is possible, with a bid last minute switch that does everything.

But Red Bull track seems to have quite a future impact in the choice of the quadruple World Champion WRC. Today at M-Sport, the young Estonian Ott Tanak holds the rope to be part of the British team next season.

He again proved this season he has become more constant but the closest drivers top level.

So a Team M-Sport uniting Ogier, Tanak, Camilli, where Mikkelsen would be enough to scare a second team should come with two cars from M sport. The MACK D team with Elfyn Evans and Mads Otsberg likely unless either Eric Camilli if Ogier and Mikkelsen became official drivers M Sport ...

First with the next WRC 2016 Monte Carlo Rally, and with two new Fiesta RS 2017 from Sweden ..It anyway track that has given us this week Mads Otsberg he would be present at the rally Monte Carlo .. But probably not in the official team ..

Stay tuned !

[Andre Oliveira]

From same source today:

Sébastien Ogier will test the Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2017 from M sport after the Australian rally, it is a certainty now announced by Malcolm Wilson himself. Once he has obtained all the guarantees he demands .. An operation that comes up with a lot of money and investment for Malcolm, but as he advances, it's the bet of his life!

[EstWRC]

like i said a week ago, its a done deal for me. where did you find the story? i couldnt find it on the website

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1321201041246610&id=100000701810747

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier will put Fiesta RS WRC one level above the others. Driving skills can't be homologated.

[bassist]

Ogier will put Fiesta RS WRC one level above the others. Driving skills can't be homologated.


Would love to see him drive it- Could be a great battle with Kris in the C3.

[Duvel]

Would love to see him drive it- Could be a great battle with Kris in the C3.
And hopefully also Thierry in the Hyundai.

[Zermatt]

Only seems to be one source to this story - so I think we will need to be patient , I would have thought Ogier will want to concentrate on saying Goodbye to the Polo this week before we hear any announcement.

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan · 3h3 hours ago

After 15 years in use MSport's fleet of Volvo 25T AWD recce cars are doing their final #WRC recce
#EndOfEraInWRC

https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhwaHR0cDovL2ltYWdlMy5yZWRidWxsLmNvbS 9yYmNvbS8wMTAvMjAxMy0wNS0yMi8xMzMxNTkxNzM1MzY0XzIv MDAxMC8xLzQzNS8yOTAvMi93cmMtcmVjY2UtY2Fycy1tLXNwb3 J0LXZvbHZvLmpwZxTmBhTGAxwUhAYUlAMAABYAEgA&s=mGB-71Wd_LsgPknG6m2jMslzM7df-qEGZbzTLfBnTtQ


wonder what car they will choose next.

[Zermatt]

Why did they use the S60 , was it because the engine matched the Focus RS MK2?

[electroliquid]

wonder what car they will choose next.

Focus RS?

[Lundefaret]

Why did they use the S60 , was it because the engine matched the Focus RS MK2?

I believe that when they started using it it was the only passenger car in the Ford system (Ford used to own Volvo) that had 4WD.

[Zermatt]

That would seem sensible - good shout on the Focus RS lets see

[Fast Eddie WRC]

like i said a week ago, its a done deal for me. where did you find the story? i couldnt find it on the website

An Italian website summed it up well for me:

"The question marks are many, starting with the car's competitiveness, the figures of the contract, a possible return of Ford to support M-Sport, or the intervention of Red Bull in the wake of Ogier. A number of items that in most cases cannot be answered at least until 2017, and therefore it's assumed that the commitment will be for one year only."

[dimviii]

DobroSport-autohebdo ‏@ericdobro · 8m8 minutes ago

@eWRCresults Seb test next week, the base is already known!

[tomhlord]

I believe that when they started using it it was the only passenger car in the Ford system (Ford used to own Volvo) that had 4WD.

Makes sense to me. They are getting a bit long in the tooth now, interested to see their replacements.

[Simmi]

Makes sense to me. They are getting a bit long in the tooth now, interested to see their replacements.

When did they debut? I remember seeing gravel crews in them back in 2003. But I'm sure they've been going longer. Mental how long they've been in use.

[Zermatt]

edited .

[EstWRC]

Ogier will put Fiesta RS WRC one level above the others. Driving skills can't be homologated.

lol...lets wait a bit...very little time for him to adjust himself in the car.

[itix]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan · 3h3 hours ago

After 15 years in use MSport's fleet of Volvo 25T AWD recce cars are doing their final #WRC recce
#EndOfEraInWRC

https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhwaHR0cDovL2ltYWdlMy5yZWRidWxsLmNvbS 9yYmNvbS8wMTAvMjAxMy0wNS0yMi8xMzMxNTkxNzM1MzY0XzIv MDAxMC8xLzQzNS8yOTAvMi93cmMtcmVjY2UtY2Fycy1tLXNwb3 J0LXZvbHZvLmpwZxTmBhTGAxwUhAYUlAMAABYAEgA&s=mGB-71Wd_LsgPknG6m2jMslzM7df-qEGZbzTLfBnTtQ


wonder what car they will choose next.

Swedish quality ;)

[traxx]

Local Gaponais Radio Dici Radio in France is reporting that the Ogier deal is on with tests in the area next week - contract signing on Monday next week- seems a bit tight in terms of schedule .

This media saw Petter Solberg in the Fiesta last week...
And was talking about Ogier in the car last week also...

[Andre Oliveira]

This media saw Petter Solberg in the Fiesta last week...
And was talking about Ogier in the car last week also...


"Again Dici radio and TV Dici summit of stupidity to the buzz, I hope that if one day there comes a serious accident on tests they will also be held responsible and judge for this purpose ..." Eric Dobrowolsky

[Andre Oliveira]

Malcolm Wilson with M Sport tries the bet of his life with the quadruple World Champion Sébastien Ogier!

Twice Malcolm had wanted to sign the French Champion at M-Sport, a first 1st time in 2010 and then at the end of the 2011 season, but lack of substantial financial resources, the case had flipped to the chagrin the British director finally resigned as forced and obliged to put a cross on his project!

But this time the stakes are quite different and Wilson tried his luck again with a pilot now four times crowned World Champion;

Once the French driver will be released from his obligations with the VAG group if he succeeds, he hopes to put everything on his side to finally attract to its Independent Business, the beautiful M-Sport structure.

Because he knows very well that with the quadruple World Champion, it will be the elevator to the top of the WRC and the challenge to attract big sponsors in his wallet. Malcolm does not hide that he also hopes a Ford back to the forefront in the WRC. With it the dream of Ogier's presence could cause this time official involvement of the American giant Dearborn Detroit meadows.

For this, M-Sport must first meet the requirements of the French World Champion, this does not necessarily include the involvement of Red Bull as main sponsor ...

But more essentially the contribution of several competent engineers for the rally because until now, Malcolm lack deep pockets had the habit of throwing young engineers with minimal experience and young engineers.

It was obviously mainly by lack of means!

Since the independent British organization, remember, saw sales of its competition cars to wealthy amateurs customers and number, they build themselves without financial support from Ford!

Therefore if he wishes to get his way, Malcolm will have to put the package to meet the requirements of Sébastien Ogier, so much that he gave up his trip to Australia.

To become deeply involved in the bet of his life, even though he tried many others before. To focus exclusively on the 'Ogier folder' and especially find the financial resources to increase its independent structure.

So as naturally to have the solutions to make more efficient the Ford Fiesta RS WRC in version 2017 that the team began to roll on the roads of Monte Carlo next in the French Alps and in the Drôme.

also the continuing development as do the other teams plants.

This is the first requirement of the French Champion now have a powerful and reliable car ...

And if possible with the official support of the Ford home!

Recall a recent comment by Christian Loriaux, which had dropped:

"If Ogier sign at M-Sport, I'll be delighted to return to work with him! "

Sign that French is the key to attract attention to M-Sport and especially the leadership of the American giant Ford to a comeback at the top level of the WRC, one of the goals for Malcolm Wilson.

But for this, the boss of M-Sport, will have to find funds to make its ultra professional structure in competitiveness. Time is short and the final testing in the south of France show that there is still much work to do to make the most reliable Fiesta.

Top speed is already there, for sure, but to have a goal in WRC, it is also necessary reliability, the basis of all chances of victory ...

As often said, the other Seb Loeb, "Before thinking about winning a rally, you have already reach the finish! "

Besides, Malcolm does not hide having discussions with Ogier currently seen as the market situation in the WRC, he also discussed as with all drivers in search of a steering wheel for 2017.



According to our sources, appointment would be even taken for the quadruple World Champion title, testing the Fiesta RS WRC in 2017, starting next week after returning from Rally Australia!

And the name of a database already insistently for a first grip of the quadruple World Champion ...

It burns between Wilson and Ogier because according to our best information, this time the matter seems committed to finally see Sébastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia in the cockpit of a car at M-Sport!



Eric Dobrowolsky

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan · 3h3 hours ago

After 15 years in use MSport's fleet of Volvo 25T AWD recce cars are doing their final #WRC recce
#EndOfEraInWRC

https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhwaHR0cDovL2ltYWdlMy5yZWRidWxsLmNvbS 9yYmNvbS8wMTAvMjAxMy0wNS0yMi8xMzMxNTkxNzM1MzY0XzIv MDAxMC8xLzQzNS8yOTAvMi93cmMtcmVjY2UtY2Fycy1tLXNwb3 J0LXZvbHZvLmpwZxTmBhTGAxwUhAYUlAMAABYAEgA&s=mGB-71Wd_LsgPknG6m2jMslzM7df-qEGZbzTLfBnTtQ


wonder what car they will choose next.

http://www.redbull.com/nz/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331591740390/tech-talk-the-life-of-a-wrc-recce-car

[KKS]

Ogier will put Fiesta RS WRC one level above the others. Driving skills can't be homologated.
He must feel free and good in a car to show all his skills. Fiesta doesn't build around him as Polo was build, so if you don't confiden't in a car - no matter how many driving skills you have - you must fighting with a car and crash sometimes

[Zeakiwi]

I would expect M-Sport to choose something like the Ford Focus RS as their recce car. Need cage etc. Probably a few Everests as support vehicles.

[EstWRC]

According to @rallyemag If VW gives the OK, Sébastien Ogier will test the Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2017 the Thursday and Friday of the next week in Wales. #WRC

[pantealex]

I´m pretty sure that some driver is going from Australia to Japan before heading to Europe...

[dimviii]

I´m pretty sure that some driver is going from Australia to Japan before heading to Europe...

if you are sure,tell us his name.

[EstWRC]

it starts with J

[sete]

what is in Japan ?

[BigWorm]

Does he really have to go to Japan to sign the deal though

[EstWRC]

there is this voting going on at wrc.com in different categories, just look what photos they have chosen to put up in the photo of the year category http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/lexar-photographs/page/4068--12-12-.html


LMAO!

[kirungi okwogera]

there is this voting going on at wrc.com in different categories, just look what photos they have chosen to put up in the photo of the year category http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/lexar-photographs/page/4068--12-12-.html


LMAO!

N.O.T will have an aneurysm. I think some of them are quite good. The autumn leaves Lavadinho one is nice actually. I like a mix of landscapes and car action shots myself. Voted for the Sophie Graillon one.

[N.O.T]

N.O.T will have an aneurysm. I think some of them are quite good. The autumn leaves Lavadinho one is nice actually. I like a mix of landscapes and car action shots myself. Voted for the Sophie Graillon one.

i voted for the Graillon as well.

The others are just overphotoshopped or not rally photos.

[pantealex]

what is in Japan ?

Mr. Toyoda

[pantealex]

Does he really have to go to Japan to sign the deal though

No, but Mr Toyoda wants to meet his future drivers

[pantealex]

if you are sure,tell us his name.

All 3 possible flying via Japan to Finland (and then towards "home")

[AL14]

Hint:
Start with "Jari-matti latva"
Finish with "a"

Yeah I know it's a difficult one.

[Simmi]

No really new information today in Motorsport News to move the VW/driver story on. At best everyone is just guessing and it's clear there's not really anything the drivers can say until after Australia. It does seem that it perhaps wasn't written crystal clear in the contract of Ogier etc what they do in a situation like this. So it seems that has taken some time to work through.

Both Veiby (Mikkelsen) and Jouhki (Latvala) saying they are confident something will be sorted - are speaking to multiple teams etc. Still says Citroen are looking to see what they can do to snare Ogier, and also looking to Abu Dhabi for potential funding.

[GigiGalliNo1]

AS report VW might just make available the 2016 Polo R WRC to privateers as there is no chance it'll be able to compete against 2017 cars...

I say get Ogier in the 2016 car and he would! Hah

[Andre Oliveira]

Time to Baumschlager and Nasser bought one

[maciotacio]

That part about renting Polo '16 for privateers is quite interesting. Curious who would go for it. Thought, they will shut the door for privateers.
Besides Nasser maybe Mikkelsen if there is no vacancy for him? Or some youngsters from WRC2

[dimviii]

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF · 3h3 hours ago


Retour de Gabin Moreau à côté de Stéphane Lefebvre pour une participation au rallye du Var avec une DS3 WRC http://bit.ly/2ffY0A9

[Fast Eddie WRC]

AS report VW might just make available the 2016 Polo R WRC to privateers as there is no chance it'll be able to compete against 2017 cars...

I say get Ogier in the 2016 car and he would! Hah

This is being discussed in the 'VAG pull-out' thread...

[Andre Oliveira]

DMACK Fiestas with norwegian team it seems

[EstWRC]

no Elfyn then?

[OnlyRally]

DMACK Fiestas with norwegian team it seems

?


Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk

[WUff1]

DMACK Fiestas with norwegian team it seems

Adapta Motorsport most probably?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

VW drivers latest (Autosport):

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127144/vw-drivers-closing-on-2017-deals

[dimviii]

so if Suninen and Hanninen are the two Toyota drivers, there is just place for another one driver only.

[PLuto]

so if Suninen and Hanninen are the two Toyota drivers, there is just place for another one driver only.

Suninen was planned as driver no.3, but we will see, now after VW leaving everything has changed...

[Duvel]

Suninen was planned as driver no.3, but we will see, now after VW leaving everything has changed...

So, lets make a list how things could be for 2017.

Hyundai stays the same:

Neuville
Paddon
Sordo
Abring

Citroen:

Meeke
Lefevre
Breen

M-sport:

Tanak
Ogier
Camilli

Toyota:

Hanni
Sunni
Jari

D-mack:

Evans
Mikkelsen

Adapta:

Ostberg

Wel, thats my gues for the moment.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Hyundai:
-Neuville
-Sordo
-Paddon

Citroen:
-Meeke
-Breen
-Lefevre

Toyota:
-Latvala
-Hanninen
-Lappi

M-Sport Ford:
-Ogier
-Tanak
-Camilli

D-MACK w/ Fiesta 2017:
-Evans

Adapta w/ Fiesta 2017:
-Ostberg
-Mikkelsen


Prokop WRT w/ Fiesta 2016:
-Prokop

D-MACK w/ Fiesta 2016:
-Paying driver

Hyundai w/ i20 2016:
Abbring

Citroen w/ DS3:
- Al-Qassimi

This is my guess (We should open a pickems for this :P)

[KKS]

VW drivers latest (Autosport):

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127144/vw-drivers-closing-on-2017-deals

""Nothing is really clear regarding the termination of the contract with Volkswagen, but we are talking to several teams about next year and I am confident we will see Andreas with a top team," he said."
And which team it could be?
Citroen? no.
Ford/M-sport? no... full with Ogier/Tanak/Camilli
Hyundai? no
Only chance to Toyota with Latvala and Juho, but will Tommy need him? And Toyota not a "top team".

[Eric]

""Nothing is really clear regarding the termination of the contract with Volkswagen, but we are talking to several teams about next year and I am confident we will see Andreas with a top team," he said."
And which team it could be?
Citroen? no.
Ford/M-sport? no... full with Ogier/Tanak/Camilli
Hyundai? no
Only chance to Toyota with Latvala and Juho, but will Tommy need him? And Toyota not a "top team".

"Toyota with Latvala"? No one know who Toyota will sign. Im not surprised if they choose Mikkelsen. Latvala seems to be over the top.... Going to be some exciting days next week :D

[RS]

DMACK Fiestas with norwegian team it seems

I hope Mikelssen. DMacks and Ostberg would be a match made in hell.

[Toyoda]

So I asked Jim Holland, Vice President, Vehicle Component and Systems Engineering at ASME IMECE today if ford is re joining WRC next year properly and he said yes.
More than likely he was talking bull$@&t or miss heard me but yeah he should know I guess and seemed confident...

[macebig]

Well,IF Ford returns,I expect announcements to be made during the new Fiesta presentation at Cologne,November 29.Possibly there will be a double announcement with a certain Frenchman being present...

[Simmi]

People might need to sport referring to Ogier/M-Sport like it's a done deal.

The man himself wants to test both cars before deciding - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127151/ogier-plans-to-test-2017-options-next-week


Looks like he's using the press conference to put a bit of pressure onto VW to cut him loose. I also don't think any other driver but Ogier is able to demand tests in multiple cars like this.

[pantealex]

Hyundai:
-Neuville
-Sordo
-Paddon

Citroen:
-Meeke
-Breen
-Lefevre

Toyota:
-Latvala
-Hanninen
-Lappi

M-Sport Ford:
-Ogier
-Tanak
-Camilli

D-MACK w/ Fiesta 2017:
-Evans

Adapta w/ Fiesta 2017:
-Ostberg
-Mikkelsen


Prokop WRT w/ Fiesta 2016:
-Prokop

D-MACK w/ Fiesta 2016:
-Paying driver

Hyundai w/ i20 2016:
Abbring

Citroen w/ DS3:
- Al-Qassimi

This is my guess (We should open a pickems for this :P)

and
VW Polo (2016)
-Teemu Suninen
-Nasser Al-Attiyah
-maybe others also

As they say in WRC.com "who orders cars first, gets car first", they don´t care are you fast driver, first ones with money get cars!
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/private-polos-/page/4080--12-12-.html

[Simmi]

Really hope we get to see a healthy selection of 2016 cars next year. Even against the 2017 crop they will still look spectacular in the right hands.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier on options: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/ogier-options/page/4081--12-12-.html

[Leon]

People might need to sport referring to Ogier/M-Sport like it's a done deal.

The man himself wants to test both cars before deciding - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127151/ogier-plans-to-test-2017-options-next-week


Looks like he's using the press conference to put a bit of pressure onto VW to cut him loose. I also don't think any other driver but Ogier is able to demand tests in multiple cars like this.

Will the two teams allow him to test their cars before signing? what about confidentiality? knowledge transfer? Remember Hyundai for example. they did not let Neuville try the 2017 model before signing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

People might need to stop referring to Ogier/M-Sport like it's a done deal.

The man himself wants to test both cars before deciding - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127151/ogier-plans-to-test-2017-options-next-week


Looks like he's using the press conference to put a bit of pressure onto VW to cut him loose. I also don't think any other driver but Ogier is able to demand tests in multiple cars like this.

There's no way it was a done deal to M-Sport... Ogier is far too smart to jump in with the first team to offer him a drive.

I would love it if he did go to them, but my head still says Citroen are the more likely.

[Franky]

To be honest, it might be even more exciting, if he'd opt for N.O.T's favourite flop team in Finland.

[er88]

Will the two teams allow him to test their cars before signing? what about confidentiality? knowledge transfer? Remember Hyundai for example. they did not let Neuville try the 2017 model before signing.
In most cases teams probably wouldn't allow it, but this is Ogier. He has all the power being a four time world champion who's available

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[Andre Oliveira]

Pressure of Ogier in VW to release faster. Malcolm will don't lose this:)

[Simmi]

Will the two teams allow him to test their cars before signing? what about confidentiality? knowledge transfer? Remember Hyundai for example. they did not let Neuville try the 2017 model before signing.

There's a saying in the UK "speculate to accumulate". Meaning you have to take a bit of a risk to potentially make a big gain.

Malcolm has put his cards on the table that's he's prepared to do that. It's a calculated risk. Depends how badly Citroen want Ogier I guess.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There's a saying in the UK "speculate to accumulate". Meaning you have to take a bit of a risk to potentially make a big gain.

Malcolm has put his cards on the table that's he's prepared to do that. It's a calculated risk. Depends how badly Citroen want Ogier I guess.

Citroen must surely want Ogier pretty badly... it would be as good as guaranteeing them the Title.

If they dont let Ogier test the C3 before he signs, then its a big mistake if he then goes to M-Sport who will let him test...

[gorganl2000]

i can understand Msport's urge to draft Ogier and by extension thier desire to allow him to test the car before hand. However, i'm not sure if Citroen would then allow him to test the C3 without signing a contract first after testing the Ford 2017. In WRC it seem Ogier has two real choices -- Citroen or Msport (less obvious choice is Toyota), so these two teams do have some bargaining power and do not necessarily need to let Ogier hold all the cards. Granted he's WRC champion, but not every team may bend the rules the same way to get him. If Citroen believe they have the best car out here, then the meeke/breen/lefebvre combination may be able to do a competitive job against Ogier/tanak/camilli combination in ford.

it will be a new year with new cars, nothing is guaranteed as yet. We will have to wait and see if any of the new cars are built like a 2016 VW wrc tank to start with, as that was part of VW's advantage over the last few seasons

[RS]

How much knowledge could he take from one team to another after a one day test? ..and besides the cars are about to be homologated so not much chance to make changes now.

[BigWorm]

How much knowledge could he take from one team to another after a one day test? ..and besides the cars are about to be homologated so not much chance to make changes now.
It would be gentleman-like if he doesn't mention anything from VW. You'd expect that.

[Mintexmemory]

It would be gentleman-like if he doesn't mention anything from VW. You'd expect that.
Do you're mean that at the end of every run he must not say things like, 'this handles like a whale!!- When I was at VW the Polo was very precise and only a neurotic Finn would not have been able to beat anyone in !!'

[BigWorm]

Do you're mean that at the end of every run he must not say things like, 'this handles like a whale!!- When I was at VW the Polo was very precise and only a neurotic Finn would not have been able to beat anyone in !!'

Meant more classified info ;)

[RS]

It would be gentleman-like if he doesn't mention anything from VW. You'd expect that.

VW aren't competing next year so what does it matter anymore?

[BigWorm]

VW aren't competing next year so what does it matter anymore?

Doubt they want all their hard work spoiled for everyone

[macebig]

They can't really do anything.Even if the drivers keep confidentiality,engineers that will move to other teams will spoil things.

[Vaggelis27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUSWr5nYuE0 I don't think that the man in the start of the video is learning french for Camilli!!

[Andre Oliveira]

Eheh piece of humor ;)

[adr17]

Ogier on options: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/ogier-options/page/4081--12-12-.html

From a good source its between msport and toyota

he and matton dont get on so citroen are out

[GigiGalliNo1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUSWr5nYuE0 I don't think that the man in the start of the video is learning french for Camilli!!

I'm in that haha

[dimviii]

RallySport Mag ‏@RallySportMag

November 18 was the 20th anniversary of the signing of the agreement by Malcolm Wilson to run the Ford WRC team.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxpxc0UVEAASmdZ.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.autosport.pt/ralis/wrc-20o-aniversario-da-ligacao-m-sportford/

http://www.autosport.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Ford-Home-of-the-WRCT-Dovenby-Cumbria.jpg.jpg
http://www.autosport.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Malcolm-Wilson_cara_02-1.jpg
http://www.autosport.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Malcom-Wilson-MH_Gr-87.jpg.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From a good source its between msport and toyota

he and matton dont get on so citroen are out

Hope this is right.

Surely it will be M-Sport then... although with the shocks of 2016 (Brexit, Trump) who knows..

[Mirek]

... although with the shocks of 2016 (Brexit, Trump) who knows..

Actually quite a lot of teams from European mainland recently buy M-Sport cars because they are now reasonably cheaper than for example Škoda due to low GBP curency rate (here in CZ it's roughly 16% down).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Actually quite a lot of teams from European mainland recently buy M-Sport cars because they are now reasonably cheaper than for example Škoda due to low GBP curency rate (here in CZ it's roughly 16% down).

What does this have to do with Ogier's options for 2017 ?

I was saying that 2016 has been a year of big surprises and Ogier to Toyota would be another.

[macebig]

I think Makinen is trying to run a team that is based around him,like the old Ralliart days.He has the final say in everything and he expects everyone to follow his opinions.Ogier is too strong minded to be guided around by a former star.

[EstWRC]

and its rumoured thats also a reason why Tänak didnt go there.

[Mirek]

What does this have to do with Ogier's options for 2017 ?

I was saying that 2016 has been a year of big surprises and Ogier to Toyota would be another.

You started with Brexit and Trump and I pointed out that Brexit may be in the end a good thing for M-Sport. We'll see.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You started with Brexit and Trump and I pointed out that Brexit may be in the end a good thing for M-Sport. We'll see.

So nothing to do with Ogier's 2017 choice then..

Stick to the subject instead of chipping in on every single post with your opinions. You're getting as bad as NOT...

[Rally Power]

I think Makinen is trying to run a team that is based around him,like the old Ralliart days.He has the final say in everything and he expects everyone to follow his opinions.Ogier is too strong minded to be guided around by a former star.

Actually, the same could be said from Wilson...expect the ‘former star’ part.

You should realize they’re team owners, not simple managers.

[pantealex]

and its rumoured thats also a reason why Tänak didnt go there.

You really believe that Tänak is the one who is choosing ?
Malcolm, Tommi and Ogier are!
Rest will go where they are allowed, not where they want.

[pantealex]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000003027800.html in Finnish 10 questions to Tommi.

New info is that 3rd car will probably be in only 7 events (starting from Portugal or Corsica)

[macebig]

Actually, the same could be said from Wilson...expect the ‘former star’ part.

You should realize they’re team owners, not simple managers.

Not really.Wilson was never the focus of M-Sport,except the years they didn't have a good name driver.Sainz/Kankkunen/McRae were the faces of the team for the first years,then it was Martin,Gronholm and later Mikko/JML/Petter and lastly Neuville.

[EstWRC]

You really believe that Tänak is the one who is choosing ?
Malcolm, Tommi and Ogier are!
Rest will go where they are allowed, not where they want.

What the hell? Where did i say I think so?

Sorry if hurt your feelings

[itix]

So nothing to do with Ogier's 2017 choice then..

Stick to the subject instead of chipping in on every single post with your opinions. You're getting as bad as NOT...

You on the other hand are getting veeery touchy. Mirek's post made all the sense in the world. If Msport has money, they have the chance to develop the car and it makes it a realistic choice for a very competitive driver whose main goal is to be top of the podium all the time.

[dimviii]

So nothing to do with Ogier's 2017 choice then..

Stick to the subject instead of chipping in on every single post with your opinions. You're getting as bad as NOT...

calm down boy.

[COD]

If Mäkinen doesn't get Ogier, he should go for Mikkelsen. Latvala will never change. Over 10 years, and he has not, so never will

[Rally Power]

Not really.Wilson was never the focus of M-Sport,except the years they didn't have a good name driver.Sainz/Kankkunen/McRae were the faces of the team for the first years,then it was Martin,Gronholm and later Mikko/JML/Petter and lastly Neuville.

Having good name drivers on the line up doesn't mean you're making them the team focus. Honestly, I bet Wilson is eager to sign Ogier because he feels that's a huge opportunity to get back Ford's full support to MSport. If so, he's being smart and looking for his business sake. Best luck to him!

[cali]

You really believe that Tänak is the one who is choosing ?
Malcolm, Tommi and Ogier are!
Rest will go where they are allowed, not where they want.

You are getting very sensitive about TMR and Tommi. Ofcourse drivers can choose if they have offers on the table. Quite silly comment from you.

[ilsit]

Ford Europe have been saying they have a few massive announcements coming up soon. Interestingly the Ford Rally account now has a blank profile picture on twitter, I'm pretty sure recently it had the Ford badge as the picture anyone able to confirm this?

Also Ford confirmed the rumour a while back that should they be able to get a driver who can win the championship they'll be back, Ogier is that man.

If this all comes to fruition, Wilson has been very astute once again and Volkswagen leaving WRC has been on the cards for months, as they announced months back they be making savings in areas they deem unnecessary shortly after a US ruling over diesel-gate. Previously to the ruling they were in talks to purchase Redbull Racing, maybe Wilson has contacts and knew VW were looking to leave for a new challenge? Possibly why he's dragged his feet alot this season with driver lineups, I don't recall him hinting at all this time round during the season apart from Neuville after a few rounds.

Seems to be a bolt of the blue for the other teams apart from M-Sport.

[macebig]

29 November is the date.If Ford returns,it will be known then.

[AL14]

You are getting very sensitive about TMR and Tommi. Ofcourse drivers can choose if they have offers on the table. Quite silly comment from you.

Maybe his tone of voice is a bit exagerrated as you pointed out. But it's true that unless you are a team manager or a very strong driver like Ogier you have less choice...

[PLuto]

Ford Europe have been saying they have a few massive announcements coming up soon. Interestingly the Ford Rally account now has a blank profile picture on twitter, I'm pretty sure recently it had the Ford badge as the picture anyone able to confirm this?

Also Ford confirmed the rumour a while back that should they be able to get a driver who can win the championship they'll be back, Ogier is that man.

If this all comes to fruition, Wilson has been very astute once again and Volkswagen leaving WRC has been on the cards for months, as they announced months back they be making savings in areas they deem unnecessary shortly after a US ruling over diesel-gate. Previously to the ruling they were in talks to purchase Redbull Racing, maybe Wilson has contacts and knew VW were looking to leave for a new challenge? Possibly why he's dragged his feet alot this season with driver lineups, I don't recall him hinting at all this time round during the season apart from Neuville after a few rounds.

Seems to be a bolt of the blue for the other teams apart from M-Sport.

Ford is supporting M-Sport without any break. Only is not written as official manufacturer, mark is not in the name of the team. But there is still full support. But with Ogier, maybe there should be time to change politics and put the brand back to rally live...

[Mirek]

How do You define full support? Do You actually believe that Ford puts similar money in M-Sport like VW or Hyundai? I don't buy that for a second.

[seb_sh]

I'm sure Ford "supports" them and they don't mind the free publicity, maybe they give them a discount on buying the chassis that MSport then converts to rally cars and sells but I don't think they put actual money behind the WRC team.

[PLuto]

How do You define full support? Do You actually believe that Ford puts similar money in M-Sport like VW or Hyundai? I don't buy that for a second.

I think that Ford never gave and will never give similar money like VW or Hyundai to rallysport...

[Rallyper]

Maybe his tone of voice is a bit exagerrated as you pointed out. But it's true that unless you are a team manager or a very strong driver like Ogier you have less choice...

He´s not sensitive in that way. He just knows much more about TMR than you appearently don´t understand.

[Rally Power]

Ford is supporting M-Sport without any break. Only is not written as official manufacturer, mark is not in the name of the team. But there is still full support. But with Ogier, maybe there should be time to change politics and put the brand back to rally live...

What has been reported, since the end of ’12, is that Ford stopped paying Wilson to run their WRC official team, keeping only a tech support that allows MSport to use Ford cars in rallysport. http://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/33802840

[macebig]

I think that Ford never gave and will never give similar money like VW or Hyundai to rallysport...

Not true.They spent quite a lot working on the RS200 back in the 80s and they still got the highest payed WRC drivsr contract with Colin McRae from 1999 to 2002(£6 mil per year)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Red Bull will be creating and producing their own WRC coverage in 2017 along side what we view already.

Also, WRC TV will be broadcasting longer Live coverage and power stages plus 90minute reviews instead of 60mins

[bluuford]

Ford Europe is reporting that some big announcements are coming soon..

[N.O.T]

Red Bull will be creating and producing their own WRC coverage in 2017 along side what we view already.

Also, WRC TV will be broadcasting longer Live coverage and power stages plus 90minute reviews instead of 60mins

They can produce 120 minutes of that mediocre garbage they call footage and still none will care. I cannot recall when was the last time i watched the official garbage footage they produce.

They cannot even put onboard cameras at proper places and they will increase footage time ? what for ?

[Franky]

They can produce 120 minutes of that mediocre garbage they call footage and still none will care. I cannot recall when was the last time i watched the official garbage footage they produce.

They cannot even put onboard cameras at proper places and they will increase footage time ? what for ?

So they can say that they have improved the product by cutting less bad stuff out.

I'm quite sure no one wants longer reviews. The quality has to improve, not the quantity.

[Allez Andruet]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004017018.html?ref=rss

So Erik Veiby confirms that Esapekka Lappi will drive a WRCar in 2017, official announcement coming soon. According to this newspaper it's Toyota (that hardly comes as a surprise). In addition, according to Veiby, it's "possible" that Lappi isn't driving a full season in 2017, and that ofcourse is quite obvious, if 1) Latvala is indeed coming to Toyota and 2) Hänninen drives in all rallies (as once again confirmed by Mäkinen in Finnish media yesterday).

I just wonder what was the thing having Suninen testing the Yaris WRC last week? Will Suninen (paid by Toyota) drive one more season in WRC2 and do some testing with Yaris WRC in 2017?

[AMSS]

And Ostberg clear for 2017 as well according to this:

http://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.php?in=2&nyhets_id=12904

[A FONDO]

They can produce 120 minutes of that mediocre garbage they call footage and still none will care. I cannot recall when was the last time i watched the official garbage footage they produce.

They cannot even put onboard cameras at proper places and they will increase footage time ? what for ?

More slow-motions

[itix]

More slow-motions

Hopefully the decent thing, i.e. more WRC 2.

[Simmi]

I just wonder what was the thing having Suninen testing the Yaris WRC last week? Will Suninen (paid by Toyota) drive one more season in WRC2 and do some testing with Yaris WRC in 2017?

Maybe something like the Abbring/Hyundai role where he develops the R5 and does some rallies - like you say maybe in WRC2. Not sure if Toyota would consider running a fourth car at the end of the year.

[Simmi]

Hopefully the decent thing, i.e. more WRC 2.

Yeah hopefully more than the current pitiful WRC2 coverage. Maybe also a nod to whatever the junior series ends up being next year.

[whosyo]

I hope the wrc+ coverage team fire the current commentators except Paul King.
it's just simply cancer to my heart to watch these guys spitting out nothing informative but 'depicting what they're seeing right now'.

[Roy]

Ford Europe is reporting that some big announcements are coming soon..
What is your source? Do you mean this?

https://fordmedia.adobecqms.net/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2016/11/16/ford-to-reveal-new-ford-fiesta-at-go-further-event-on-nov--29-in.html

It is about the presentation of new Ford Fiesta. Maybe we heard more of WRC plans. No mentions in press realese on the site.

[dimviii]

Ford in Europe Verified account 
‏@FordEu
Some BIG announcements coming soon.
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[pantealex]

Maybe something like the Abbring/Hyundai role where he develops the R5 and does some rallies - like you say maybe in WRC2. Not sure if Toyota would consider running a fourth car at the end of the year.

Toyota has Jarkko Nikara for R5 testing...

Jouhki wanted full season for Suninen, Tommi said no. In my mind Suninen will drive VW16-car next year.

[Rally Power]

Ciesla talking to AS: 2017 calendar will keep 2016 rallys. Turkey will not be taken for security reasons and China is only an option for 2018. WRC promoter future aim: to get a 16 event calendar, 8 in Europe + 8 outside Europe. http://motor.as.com/motor/2016/11/21/mas_motor/1479689059_085955.html

[stefanvv]

WRC promoter future aim: to get a 16 event calendar, 8 in Europe + 8 outside Europe. http://motor.as.com/motor/2016/11/21/mas_motor/1479689059_085955.html

That would be fantastic, but the manufacturers probably won't agree.

[Franky]

What would the new non-European rounds be? This year we were supposed to have 4. So based on that there would be Argentina, Australia, China and Mexico. So, if Argentina fixes the safety issues and China gets its act together, then what would the other 4 be? New Zealand, sth in Middle East, Safari and ...?

[Walach]

Earlier this year there were rumours about Canada and Japan I believe, maybe there is some truth in it after all.

[EstWRC]

there was FIA gala event in Australia today and this guy won Driver of the Year award, voted by the fans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxyafxUXAAAd_nh.jpg


you can find rest of the winners here http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/wrc-gala/page/4103--12-12-.html

[seb_sh]

The full list of award winners was:
WRC Driver of the Year – Ott Tänak
WRC Co-driver of the Year – Nicolas Gilsoul
DJI Aerial Award – Andreas Mikkelsen, Fafe jump, Portugal
WRC 6 Livery of the Year – Lorenzo Bertelli
Michelin Magic Moment – Ott Tänak
Certina Timing Award – Hayden Paddon
Special Award – Volkswagen Motorsport
Lexar Photograph of the Year – Gergely Makai, Rally Racing, Hungary
Best News Story of the Year – Jerome Bourret, L’Equipe, France

Bertelli best livery... seriously?

[EstWRC]

yeah thats the most surprising one...i would understand if FIA had chosen it but it is chosen by fans.

Latvala and Ogier missing...hmmm wonder where they are :p


http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=405

[focus206]

WRC promoter future aim: to get a 16 event calendar, 8 in Europe + 8 outside Europe. http://motor.as.com/motor/2016/11/21/mas_motor/1479689059_085955.html
Stupid, absolutely stupid.

[Zeakiwi]

Bertelli best livery... seriously?
The fans probably interpreted the category as 'Best livery (in a rally crash)' for the Rally Finland incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBGdYey_6AE

[Franky]

Earlier this year there were rumours about Canada and Japan I believe, maybe there is some truth in it after all.

I think John (Janvanvurpa) has pointed out several times that North America is quite hopeless, when it comes to rallies on the world level (roads, organising, etc). But I may remember incorrectly as it's been quite some time since someone said North America could host a WRC event.

[N.O.T]

They need to clarify what they mean by fans because if they consider fans people that use WRC.com and WRC+ platform to get their WRC fix then they should just call them "bottom feeding plebs with no standards"

and by the looks of that list this is what they are.

[AndyRAC]

Ciesla talking to AS: 2017 calendar will keep 2016 rallys. Turkey will not be taken for security reasons and China is only an option for 2018. WRC promoter future aim: to get a 16 event calendar, 8 in Europe + 8 outside Europe. http://motor.as.com/motor/2016/11/21/mas_motor/1479689059_085955.html

Oh dear. They're repeating all the mistakes ISC/ NorthOne made. 16 events is far too many, for a sport that is 'niche'. This isn't F1 which can afford to go everywhere. 10-12 properly promoted 'events' that make a noise when visiting each country; instead of the bland identikit events we currently get.

[Co-driven]

What would the new non-European rounds be? This year we were supposed to have 4. So based on that there would be Argentina, Australia, China and Mexico. So, if Argentina fixes the safety issues and China gets its act together, then what would the other 4 be? New Zealand, sth in Middle East, Safari and ...?

The organizer of RallyMobil (Chile´s National Championship) said that he was in Wales during Wales Rally GB talking the WRC promoters and that in a few years there will be a round of the WRC in Chile.

If I am not mistaken, the date was 2018.

Also, this same guy (Felipe Horta), was in Argentina during the WRC event talking about a WRC event in Chile.

Maybe that´s one of the non-European events planned...

[Mirek]

you can find rest of the winners here http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november-2016/wrc-gala/page/4103--12-12-.html

I don't get what are such awards good for.

[Rallyper]

A small tip for you guys needing hostage for Rally Sweden 2017. Just take a look at RS topic.

[N.O.T]

I don't get what are such awards good for.

nothing.... they are bringing the MTV culture into the sport, the "everyone gets ice cream either they win or not" mentality.

They even gave an award for best livery in a video game to a person who does not belong in the sport.

The promoter with the blessing of the FIA is turning the most historic motorsport in the world into a plebian circus of nobodies, and i cannot blame them when you have "fans" that pay money to get WRC+ and they are ok with the current promotion of WRC, ok with the on board cameras, ok with the useless pro photographers who take pictures of lakes and flowers, ok with the spectators that take videos of hairpins, ok with those videos that chinless vagabond dog going around trash cans, ok with having to pay stupid ticket prices to put you into those hairpins, ok with people who consider bogey times a solution, and countless other things.

Its the new era ladies, you are not allowed to critisise anything because you might burst the pink bubble of political correctness.

[cali]

A small tip for you guys needing hostage for Rally Sweden 2017. Just take a look at RS topic.
Hostage? Btw Per, I'm going this year ;)

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[GigiGalliNo1]

It was not the Promoters idea for the awards, Rally Australia held the event for their event organizers ego!! Only reason how and why they got the final round :/

[BleAivano]

Hostage? Btw Per, I'm going this year ;)

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He means accommodation.

Per, hostage is = gisslan

[Rallyper]

Sorry, my bad. Too fast in writing/thinking as always... Maybe hostage in Sweden with the cold winther and the polar bears, staying without accomodation sleeping in car ...? Sorry. ;)

[cali]

Sorry, my bad. Too fast in writing/thinking as always... Maybe hostage in Sweden with the cold winther and the polar bears, staying without accomodation sleeping in car ...? Sorry. ;)
So no hostages this year I'm glad to visit Sweden again after few years of absence

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[pantealex]

Bertelli best livery... seriously?

I voted it ;)
all others are so similar to each other.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC · 28m28 minutes ago

Malcolm shut the M-Sport door from @JariMattiWRC, reports @ISUrheilu. Toyota remains as his sole chance. http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004876187.html … #WRC

[Allez Andruet]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC · 28m28 minutes ago

Malcolm shut the M-Sport door from @JariMattiWRC, reports @ISUrheilu. Toyota remains as his sole chance. http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004876187.html … #WRC


http://www.mtv.fi/sport/ralli/uutinen/artikkeli/latvalan-manageri-vastaa-onko-tallipaikka-enaa-yhden-kortin-varassa/6179154

...and Timo Jouhki quickly denied that report, claiming they're still in negotiations with Wilson as well. But also Jouhki admits, that nothing will happen before Ogier decides where he wants to go.

[dimviii]

Jouhki of course he has to deny these rumors when his driver is at the research for seat.

[liposh]

It would be quite funny if Lappi would be Toyota´s nr.2 and Latvala Toyota´s nr.3. :D Well it would make sense to me. Lappi could evolve into top driver (and they are aiming at 2018) so being team manager I would put him into the WRC car for as many rounds as possible. Latvala will never change. For sure, he is kind guy, one of the fastest drivers, but he is...Latvala (which means very inconsistent because of his mind)

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·

Interview (in Finnish) with @EsapekkaLappi: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=rhfaCQxMUJw …

- What will happen next?
- I was told I'm getting married!

[giu canbera]

Polos are being tested again in Sweden
http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/volkswagen-se-lleva-el-nuevo-polo-de-test-a-suecia-35419
http://www.autoportal.iol.pt/desporto/ralis/volkswagen-testa-polo-wrc-na-suecia/

[EstWRC]

Jouhki can say whatever he wants, i actually believe that Wilson isnt interested hiring Latvala. Only 3 podiums this season with VW.

but like my friend said (who is also rallying): "There are two drivers in WRC whose future is sure, Ogier because he is the best and Latvala because he has the best manager."

[RS]

Polos are being tested again in Sweden
http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/volkswagen-se-lleva-el-nuevo-polo-de-test-a-suecia-35419
http://www.autoportal.iol.pt/desporto/ralis/volkswagen-testa-polo-wrc-na-suecia/

What for?

[seb_sh]

What for?

Don't have a link handy but they said they will continue the program as far as they can, up to preparing homologation papers and going through the preliminary steps. But they can't actually homologate the cars because they won't enter as a manufacturer.

I assume this is because they still have the budget which was approved for this year and they're just going to try to finish the job as best they can.

[Lundefaret]

So no hostages this year I'm glad to visit Sweden again after few years of absence

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RallyPer has a case of the Stockholm Syndrome :)

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·


Biggest newspaper in Finland @hsfi saying Lappi and Mäkinen signed a deal for Toyota two weeks ago. http://www.hs.fi/m/urheilu/a1479792202122?jako=917d17f523a52844a55cd7d2b5b2db 8f …
#WRC #WRC2017


Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·

According to @hsfi article, Tommi Mäkinen is visiting Japan at the moment. Busy times for team bosses right now. #Toyota #ThreeFreeMen

[AL14]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·


Biggest newspaper in Finland @hsfi saying Lappi and Mäkinen signed a deal for Toyota two weeks ago. http://www.hs.fi/m/urheilu/a1479792202122?jako=917d17f523a52844a55cd7d2b5b2db 8f …
#WRC #WRC2017


Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·

According to @hsfi article, Tommi Mäkinen is visiting Japan at the moment. Busy times for team bosses right now. #Toyota #ThreeFreeMen

I will never understand this.
If they signed a deal, why not make it public? All those secrets around Toyota are just annoying and I think useless too. For sure they're not gathering fans in such way.
Makinen should have hired some communication expert. In 2016 it's fundamental.

[macebig]

I will never understand this.
If they signed a deal, why not make it public? All those secrets around Toyota are just annoying and I think useless too. For sure they're not gathering fans in such way.
Makinen should have hired some communication expert. In 2016 it's fundamental.
Latvala is not yet released from his VW contract.Announcing that he already has a new deal in place will reduce his buy out price.

[Mirek]

I will never understand this.
If they signed a deal, why not make it public? All those secrets around Toyota are just annoying and I think useless too. For sure they're not gathering fans in such way.
Makinen should have hired some communication expert. In 2016 it's fundamental.

Lappi was still under contract of Škoda and it was before he become WRC2 champion with Škoda.