[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

[denkimi]

Funny how so many people inside WRC are now saying the order rule was unfair but they stood quiet during the last two years…
unfair yes, but good for the sport. without that rule ogier might have been champion in germany, or even in finland.

and i still wonder how much of a difference starting first really makes. it seems far less than some drivers would like us to believe.

[EstWRC]

Sébastien Ogier announced in Vienna that he will make his announcement 2017 in a few days http://bit.ly/2h2G1BF

https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/804738008964628480

[giu canbera]

"Lots of private teams have been asking to run the car" - Frank Welsch, Volkswagen
The car is being homologated

[focus206]

"Lots of private teams have been asking to run the car" - Frank Welsch, Volkswagen
The car is being homologated

Great, if true. Source?

[EstWRC]

Great, if true. Source?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-wrc/volkswagen-homologate-polo-wrc-2017-world-rally-championship

[OnlyRally]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-wrc/volkswagen-homologate-polo-wrc-2017-world-rally-championship

Wow!


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

You spoke about bodyshells. 3-door I20 and 5-door I20 have different bodyshells. That's a fact.

All 3 & 5-door models do... but share the same overall silhouette.

The 3-door i20 is a normal hatchback... a coupe in name only.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So the 2017 Polo isn't dead ... who are the private teams asking to run it then ??

[Mirek]

All 3 & 5-door models do... but share the same overall silhouette.

The 3-door i20 is a normal hatchback... a coupe in name only.

Now You're trying to twist Your own statement while what You wrote before and what I answered simply wasn't true. Simple as that.


Bit silly when its not a different body shell to the 5-door. Plus they also have the Veloster which IS a coupe.

You also haven't answered why Veloster was coupé and I20 3D was not. I really want to see why do You think so.

[Frostmourne]

"I would see him at M-Sport," attests Michel Nandan. Because it would be less difficult to beat a Ford? "Of course, a Seb Ogier at the wheel of a Citroen, it can be dreadful," admits the boss of Hyundai, amused.

Does that mean another coming seasons of a team dominating the championship!! Please Heavens above NO...

[Rally Power]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-wrc/volkswagen-homologate-polo-wrc-2017-world-rally-championship

This may be huge, considering that Autocar broke VW story and the Welsch fellow is the VW board member that was mentioned on the official pull out PR. Fingers crossed!

Btw, the rumors that kept the Polo alive over the last weeks (VW thread) were already stating that besides homologation VW Motorsport was building 5 units to be run by themselves under Red Bull/Qatar flags. Ogier and Al-Attiyah?

[EstWRC]

we will see in a few days, Ogier will announce his new team then. thats why i dont believe it, ogier wouldnt announce so soon if this would be true.

[smsgrafica]

2017 Polo would be good enough at the start of the season, but how well would it cope without being developed?

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.org/96vxus5mv/o17.jpg

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

2017 Polo would be good enough at the start of the season, but how well would it cope without being developed?
It's BGP001 all over again..

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[Andre Oliveira]

Thursday: M-Sport super secret meeting
Friday: Ogier say that will announce in next few days
Hummm... interesting

[Rally Power]

2017 Polo would be good enough at the start of the season, but how well would it cope without being developed?

It'd be developed like any other WRC car. VW Motorsport would still run and develop the '17 car all season long, besides renting and servicing the '16 cars. It'd be a win/win situation: no VW official involvement, the entry is made and paid by an external entity, but VW Motorsport could keep doing their job. A happy ending for the pull out mess!

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan ·

Michel Nadan says no fourth 2017 Hyundai i20 #WRC for Kevin Abbring and no R5 in WRC2 either, however plenty to do in 2017 as test driver

[EstWRC]

Thursday: M-Sport super secret meeting
Friday: Ogier say that will announce in next few days
Hummm... interesting

was there meeting then? i saw some tweets but nothing certain not that it matters, im pretty sure he will be in m-sport.

[dimviii]

After riding recently on the ground in the south-west, Michelin spent 2 days in the Ardèche to prepare new tires for the next WRC season. With a C4 WRC then a Skoda Fabia R5, Freddy Loix was able to try softs and super-soft. The conditions did not allow to properly test the rain tires. These gums could be used as early as Monté-Carlo. The teams that have made all their development of the new 2017 cars on the 2016 tires will have to adapt to these new tires quickly.

video at link
http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2016/12/02/michelin-prepare-2017/

[Franky]

It'd be developed like any other WRC car. VW Motorsport would still run and develop the '17 car all season long, besides renting and servicing the '16 cars. It'd be a win/win situation: no VW official involvement, the entry is made and paid by an external entity, but VW Motorsport could keep doing their job. A happy ending for the pull out mess!

So someone is going to cough up a massive amount of money? Customer programme has to earn a profit. Works programme has different objectives.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You also haven't answered why Veloster was coupé and I20 3D was not. I really want to see why do You think so.

The Veloster's sloping roofline and small rear windows are coupe attributes.

Can you show photos of the seperate 3 & 5-door i20's to show how different they are ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Who are likely to be the wealthy private teams ... Red Bull, Abu Dhabi ? And who would they employ to drive ??

[Jack4688`]

Mikkelsen? Someone like him has to ask himself whether a Toyota in its development year or a Polo that likely won't receive any in-season updates is the better option for 2017, then hope his performances in it can earn himself something more long-term for 2018.

[JUF]

Interesting article: https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wm/artikel/d/2016/12/03/polo-wrc-2017-sorgt-al-attiyah-fuer-eine-ueberraschung/
It says that Nasser Al-Attiyah tries to form a private team entering two Polo WRC´17 next year. It´s based on the fact that Qatar holds 17% of the VAG-group. Teammate should be Sébastien Ogier. He is interested in that because the Ford and Toyota don´t seem to be competitive.

Normally "rallye-magazin" is quite well informed...

[EstWRC]

Ogier "cannot guarantee" WRC 2017 participation

"You always look for a works team, that is where [there is the] most guarantee of the future, my priority is to get stability in what I do and I think this stability you only get with a works team.

so no to m-sport then? Citroen or sabbatical?

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/ogier-cannot-guarantee-wrc-2017-participation-856163/

[er88]

Andreas would be a good team mate alongside Tanak at Msport. Wilson should do that if Seb joins Citreon

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[pantealex]

Tommi has said that 13.12 is revealing day of Yaris, not a day for driver announcements...

This time he means that they can possible tell drivers names before that!

Source: http://www.mtv.fi/sport/ralli/uutinen/artikkeli/paljastiko-tommi-makinen-suomalaislupauksen-kohtalon/6194654 (in bottom of that story)

[Mirek]

The Veloster's sloping roofline and small rear windows are coupe attributes.

Can you show photos of the seperate 3 & 5-door i20's to show how different they are ?

Neither one of them is coupé by historical definition. It's not about small windows or sloping roof. The main attribute from historical point of view is 2-door bodyshell and none or very limited space for rear passangers. In fact both of these are just hatchbacks with a bit sportier look. Veloster has even door for rear passangers which the I20 3D doesn't have.

But that's not the point anyway. Nowadays the coupé is so broad term that it's used by marketing department for virtually everything - from some 3-door hatchbacks (the C4 WRC was called coupé as well) up to huge 4-door limousines from Mercedes and BMW or even some SUVs. It simply makes no sense to be concerned about it.

And by the way the I20 3D has different silouette than the 5D model.

[Simmi]

Ogier "cannot guarantee" WRC 2017 participation

"You always look for a works team, that is where [there is the] most guarantee of the future, my priority is to get stability in what I do and I think this stability you only get with a works team.

so no to m-sport then? Citroen or sabbatical?

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/ogier-cannot-guarantee-wrc-2017-participation-856163/

Does Seb not see the irony in what he is saying? The works team he was with just pulled out of the sport from absolutely nowhere. Manufacturer programmes are always subject to the whims of the boardroom, or the financial stability of the company.

The most stable team in the last 20 years of WRC has been.... M-Sport.

[macebig]

And of course,the most consistent manufacturer is Ford.They are in WRC,in one form or another, since the very beginning.

[focus206]

Ogier "cannot guarantee" WRC 2017 participation

"You always look for a works team, that is where [there is the] most guarantee of the future, my priority is to get stability in what I do and I think this stability you only get with a works team.

so no to m-sport then? Citroen or sabbatical?


I really hope no sabbatical, that would be a very boring decision... What's the problem in signing 1 year contract with M-Sport? I'm sure Malcolm will literally pay him as much as he can. I also don't really get this stability talk...

[tc10a]

According to https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wm/artikel/d/2016/12/03/polo-wrc-2017-sorgt-al-attiyah-fuer-eine-ueberraschung/ after testing the Yaris and the Fiesta WRC 2017 Ogier claims that both cars are not competitive enough.

A 2017 Polo WRC Qatar Team with Al Attiyah seems to be a possibility.

[focus206]

According to https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wm/artikel/d/2016/12/03/polo-wrc-2017-sorgt-al-attiyah-fuer-eine-ueberraschung/ after testing the Yaris and the Fiesta WRC 2017 Ogier claims that both cars are not competitive enough.

A 2017 Polo WRC Qatar Team with Al Attiyah seems to be a possibility.

If it was a one year contract with M-Sport (doubt Tommi would propose him that), it would be a nice challenge for Ogier. Did Malcolm ever say anything about a possible contract lenght? I don't remember if the 1 year possibility was mentioned by him or someone on the forum...

[nafpaktos]

A 2017 Polo WRC Qatar Team with Al Attiyah seems to be a possibility.

How many chassis have been built(i dont mean the first prototype)?2 3?They are enough in case of some bad accidents during the year?

[EstWRC]

Malcolm hasnt said anything about the contract length...just a couple of days to wait.

[tc10a]

How many chassis have been built(i dont mean the first prototype)?2 3?They are enough in case of some bad accidents during the year?

I think in one of the articles mentioning the possible homologation it was stated that at least 5 sets have to be built.
But if such a case really is a possibility, for sure the spare parts supply will be no problem.

[Andre Oliveira]

Bertelli about Ogier: Or Ford or sabatical year

http://it.motorsport.com/wrc/news/bertelli-ogier-o-ford-o-anno-sabbatico-tratto-con-m-sport-per-una-plus-856410/

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier will confirm M-Sport deal next week with 2 days test in Sweden soon:

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/2016/12/03/les-quadruples-champions-du-monde-wrc-en-route-pour-signer-avec-m-sport-et-ford-212631.html

[Simmi]

Every "news" site reporting something different. It's all just noise until the press releases land.

[itix]

Every "news" site reporting something different. It's all just noise until the press releases land.
Truth has been spoken!

[JTGANG]

Ok for Ogier to wait and see where he will end but it seems to me a bit strange that we haven't heard (through media of course) actually anything about Latvala and Mikkelsen....I was wondering if there are some difficulties in releasing the contracts between VW and drivers

[Duvel]

Truth has been spoken!

You are correct, still i find it fun to speculate about all options.

For instance, lets say the 2017 Polo's can run next season whit an Al Athyia/ Ogier line up, whit Red Bull support. They could hire some ex-VW engineers to further develop the car.
Than Mikkelsen would be a good choise/option for Andreas.

Anyway, dont really care how's driving them, it would be great to see the 2017 Polo's in action next year.

Man, exiting times for a rally fan, if a simmular situation would happen in lets say footbal, it would be on the news every day...

[Mirek]

Ok for Ogier to wait and see where he will end but it seems to me a bit strange that we haven't heard (through media of course) actually anything about Latvala and Mikkelsen....I was wondering if there are some difficulties in releasing the contracts between VW and drivers

If Latvala doesn't drive for Toyota I'm willing to buy a beer to every forum member who manages to meet me in any pub during 2017 (that's not so easy after all) :beer:

[Andre Oliveira]

Ohhh Mirek, Latvala on Toyota was written in stars since begining... No beers to anyone :)

[danon]

If Latvala doesn't drive for Toyota I'm willing to buy a beer to every forum member who manages to meet me in any pub during 2017 (that's not so easy after all) :beer:

skinflint... as tight as a fishes arse

https://paulstowe.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/44353292.jpg

[pantealex]

If Latvala doesn't drive for Toyota I'm willing to buy a beer to every forum member who manages to meet me in any pub during 2017 (that's not so easy after all) :beer:

66,66% chance that you must buy a beer ;)

[itix]

You are correct, still i find it fun to speculate about all options.

For instance, lets say the 2017 Polo's can run next season whit an Al Athyia/ Ogier line up, whit Red Bull support. They could hire some ex-VW engineers to further develop the car.
Than Mikkelsen would be a good choise/option for Andreas.

Anyway, dont really care how's driving them, it would be great to see the 2017 Polo's in action next year.

Man, exiting times for a rally fan, if a simmular situation would happen in lets say footbal, it would be on the news every day...
I don't disagree with you. We just have to be aware that likely 80 percent of the rumors are wrong or just plain made up.

I'm not certain until I get press releases, that's for sure (probably not completely until first stage of RMC)

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.auto-moto.com/nouveautes/scoop/future-ford-fiesta-rs-2019-deja-starting-blocks-70289.html#item=3

http://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2016/11/ford-fiesta-rs-02-750x410.jpg
http://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2016/11/ford-fiesta-rs-01-750x410.jpg
http://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2016/11/ford-fiesta-rs-03-750x410.jpg

[dimviii]

I was wondering if there are some difficulties in releasing the contracts between VW and drivers

I read that they haven't released yet,but that will happen next week.

[bluuford]

If Latvala doesn't drive for Toyota I'm willing to buy a beer to every forum member who manages to meet me in any pub during 2017 (that's not so easy after all) :beer:

Must take a quick call to Tommi and Timo ;)

[Mirek]

66,66% chance that you must buy a beer ;)


Must take a quick call to Tommi and Timo ;)

In the worst case I can call it a very refined marketing for Barum rally and invite You all to Zlín to drink Your beer with me :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How can this 2017 Polo private entry be possible and Ogier had no idea... so much that he ending up testing Yaris & Fiesta ?

The first thing he would have wanted is a chance to continue in the Polo. I dont buy it.

[stefanvv]

he ending up testing Yaris & Fiesta ?

Is this that bad?

[Sub_Skoda]

Ogier will confirm M-Sport deal next week with 2 days test in Sweden soon:

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/2016/12/03/les-quadruples-champions-du-monde-wrc-en-route-pour-signer-avec-m-sport-et-ford-212631.html

Don't believe this website... so bullshit from them!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is this that bad?

No, but to me it shows he had no knowledge of the chance of a private Polo drive.

[stefanvv]

No, but to me it shows he had no knowledge of the chance of a private Polo drive.

May be no one had, it could be work in progress?!?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I liked this from @rallytravel:
So, Seb tested the other cars then rang Wolfsburg to say "you know what guys, we can still win this without official support". Possible? :D

[bassist]

I liked this from @rallytravel:
So, Seb tested the other cars then rang Wolfsburg to say "you know what guys, we can still win this without official support". Possible? :D

Love it!

[macebig]

Don't get your hopes high,folks.VW Polo R WRC '17 will join an extensive lineage of never raced rally cars like the TMG Yaris,Lancia ECV2,Escort RS1700T and more.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier: "Nothing is clearly decided right now. My options... my vision starts to be more clear, but unfortunately I have nothing to announce right now.

"You always look for a works team, that is where [there is the] most guarantee of the future, my priority is to get stability in what I do and I think this stability you only get with a works team.

"But the truth is I have had an amazing team [in Volkswagen], it was not the best news to learn the story is coming to an end, I was be happy to go further with them, but with the timing it was difficult to find a solution.

"Pretty soon - I hope next week - I will be able to move forward and announce what my future is."

[Mirek]

Don't get your hopes high,folks.VW Polo R WRC '17 will join an extensive lineage of never raced rally cars like the TMG Yaris,Lancia ECV2,Escort RS1700T and more.

At least it's not that supersecret like another dark spot in VAG rally history - the gr.S Audi RS002 about which people learned only many years later after it should have been destroyed on Piech's order and of which prototype survived only thanks to Roland Gumpert who refused to obey and saved one.

[stefanvv]

At least it's not that supersecret like another dark spot in VAG rally history - the gr.S Audi RS002 about which people learned only many years later after it should have been destroyed on Piech's order and of which prototype survived only thanks to Roland Gumpert who refused to obey and saved one.

It actually "raced" on this years Eifel festival.

[cali]

It actually "raced" on this years Eifel festival.
30 years later

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[OldF]

The group A VW Golf A59 project was not finished either. The two first article suggests that Piech was involved in cancelling this project also.

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/vw-golf-a59-the-stillborn-european-evo/25718

http://www.clubgti.com/showthread.php?280800-The-A59-Engine-and-its-Technology-the-full-story

http://www.wolfsburgrennsport.com/2009/04/golf-a59-car-which-could-have-changed.html

[SubaruNorway]

What i don't get is how could they plan this customer program without letting anyone in the rally team know?

[giu canbera]

Better get used with something like
1140

[AL14]

Ogier will replace Rosberg at Mercedes

[macebig]

Seriously,Ogier to Mercedes could happen.He has the Super License points covered.To qualify for the SL you need 40 points over a 3 year period.WRC World Champion gives 15 points,so 15x3=45 Super License points for Mr Ogier.He can drive an F1 car if the opportunity arises.

[Sub_Skoda]

A good article about WRC 2017 with some interviews (Hayden Paddon, Jourdan Serderidis...) : http://www.lemagsportauto.com/wrc-2017-dossier-dinterviews-lavenir-rallye/19907/

[danon]

http://s5.postimg.org/o87f3j347/br_Vsw1.jpg

[KKS]

Ogier will replace Rosberg at Mercedes
Or Muller at Citroen WTCC
or Webber at Porsche Team :D

[Mariusz]

Ogier will replace Rosberg at Mercedes
Ogier's goal is to keep winning, not being at the end of classification.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Or Muller at Citroen WTCC
or Webber at Porsche Team :D

Earl Bamber, another Kiwi in the Porsche team

[pantealex]

6 January 2017
Issuing of the entry list (subject to FIA approval)

Monte Carlo list will be public 6.1 so we will have to wait over month before we really know who is in and who is out. Already we know who are doing Dakar (Prokop, Nasser, Al-Rajhi and Al-Qassimi, they will miss Monte for sure)

[Doon]

So the rumours (and some fact) circuiting are that Ogier thinks the Yaris and Fiesta aren't up to the task, and then this:

https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127404/door-open-for-private-vw-entry-in-2017-wrc

Happy to welcome more cars/drivers, but from a competition point of view if/when Ogier confirms that he'll be driving the VW, the WRC has the potential to be a boring one horse race once again!

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier wants stability. That was not stable ;)

[Doon]

It was stable for 5 years. I think he just wants a winning car, even only for one year and then he can take his time with deciding his 2018 team.

[dupanton]

It was stable for 5 years. I think he just wants a winning car, even only for one year and then he can take his time with deciding his 2018 team.

Whatever he decides, will happen. If he wants a 1 year contract this year, it will happen. If he wants to change to Hyundai, Citroën, Toyota, Ford or whatever car, all the teams will be more then happy to give him a seat.
He has al the power and I tihnk a 1 year contract would make very much sense.

[Simmi]

So the rumours (and some fact) circuiting are that Ogier thinks the Yaris and Fiesta aren't up to the task, and then this:

https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127404/door-open-for-private-vw-entry-in-2017-wrc

Happy to welcome more cars/drivers, but from a competition point of view if/when Ogier confirms that he'll be driving the VW, the WRC has the potential to be a boring one horse race once again!

Biggest news for me here is the quote from FXD that they are trying to make it happen. Two direct VW sources saying it is a possibility. Very interesting.

[Franky]

But can VW shrink their costs to the level of M-Sport to be profitable? About a decade ago, I think Citroen was a lot more expensive to rent than Ford. So you can imagine that VW would be at least on the same level as Citroen, when it comes to pricing.

[tomhlord]

Biggest news for me here is the quote from FXD that they are trying to make it happen. Two direct VW sources saying it is a possibility. Very interesting.

Indeed. Intriguing. Would fit in with their shift towards customer racing a la 2016 Polos, TCR and R5 too.

Now perhaps time to remember that Nasser's backer is the 3rd largest VAG shareholder.

[denkimi]

But can VW shrink their costs to the level of M-Sport to be profitable? About a decade ago, I think Citroen was a lot more expensive to rent than Ford. So you can imagine that VW would be at least on the same level as Citroen, when it comes to pricing.
the big question is if they really want to be profitable, or if it's only a big marketing show.

[Rallyper]

Marketing without costlimits is history for VW. Profitable marketing like MSport might be what they are changing to. And maybe that´s what they didn´t think of initially this autumn, but changed their minds into after a rethink?

[Franky]

the big question is if they really want to be profitable, or if it's only a big marketing show.

Being called Qatar World Rally Team or sth isn't exactly marketing for VW.

[tommeke_B]

Being called Qatar World Rally Team or sth isn't exactly marketing for VW.

Well... If it wins it's still a VW Polo. Nobody calls the Ford Fiesta WRC the "M-Sport Fiesta WRC", it's team M-Sport, but still a Ford. Ford probably has the best return (visibility in all championships around the world) on investment (probably almost nothing compared to other manufacturers).

[Franky]

Well... If it wins it's still a VW Polo. Nobody calls the Ford Fiesta WRC the "M-Sport Fiesta WRC", it's team M-Sport, but still a Ford. Ford probably has the best return (visibility in all championships around the world) on investment (probably almost nothing compared to other manufacturers).

Well, Ford's logos get nearly as much space as Red Bull on the VWs, so I'd say Ford is very present in M-Sport's budget.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If they dont get Ogier does anyone else think M-Sport should bring in Mikkelsen ? I do.

Or is Tanak good enough to lead the team in 2017 ?

[tc10a]

Latvala - Toyota
Mikkelsen - M-Sport
Ogier - "Private" VW

would be very nice solution in the end

[OnlyRally]

If they dont get Ogier does anyone else think M-Sport should bring in Mikkelsen ? I do.

Or is Tanak good enough to lead the team in 2017 ?

Mikkelsen for sure is the future. What he did in Australia with that road position was amazing. He has had his crashes, but so did Ogier before the VW era.


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[TWRC]

Mikkelsen for sure is the future. What he did in Australia with that road position was amazing. He has had his crashes, but so did Ogier before the VW era.


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What would make me think of Mikkelsen as a manager after Australia is that does he really have that performance in him? Pushing and/or beating Ogier? If yes, then why he didn't really do it before (except for once in Sweden)? Why only after he was out of his job?

[gorganl2000]

now after reading the last few days, things are even more up in the air concerning Ogier (and by default Mikkelsen, Latvala and the other potential unsigned drivers). as said before i can understand why Toyota and M-Sport pulled their best efforts to attract Ogier, but IF this potential VW private team arises (and IF he goes there), then he will have some serious competitor knowledge at his finger tips having tested both the yaris and ford. With a driver of Ogier's calibre, traditionally "weaker" rival teams surely don't need to give him any additional help in this area. And this is why i reiterate that Citroen and Hyundai (though both seem unlikely, Hyundai more unlikely, but you never know) should not entertain him unless he first signs a contract, even if for a year. It's just too risky a proposition.

the teams do have some bargaining power that they can exercise, especially Citroen and Hyundai...just as Ogier is exercising his and rightfully so

when its all done and over, i just hope the Ford, Citroen, Hyundai and later on Toyota are very similar performance and reliability wise, as i believe this would make it an interesting championship.

[EstWRC]

if Ogier still hasnt announced his plans by wednesday or this week then im starting to believe in this VW private team.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark: 'Looks like a piece of the driver jigsaw has fallen into place today, just not the main piece. Tell you more tomorrow.'

Latvala to Toyota I expect.

[Rally Power]

Is this site credible? It says Latvala signed with Toyota: http://urheiluuutiset.com/jari-matti-latvala-siirtymassa-toyota-leiriin/

TBH I was hoping Ogier would be tempted by Makinen offer but it doesn’t look that way. Maybe he’s still hoping to have some feedback from Citroen, but time is running out and it seems he’ll have to choose between MSport and the possible private team run by VW Motorsport.

[Allez Andruet]

Is this site credible? It says Latvala signed with Toyota: http://urheiluuutiset.com/jari-matti-latvala-siirtymassa-toyota-leiriin/
Atleast the writer is credible - Miiro Koivula knows both Mäkinen and Latvala, so you can assume the story's true. So Latvala to Toyota then... guess it's him and Hänninen driving full season and Lappi joining them once the third car's ready.

[SubaruNorway]

What would make me think of Mikkelsen as a manager after Australia is that does he really have that performance in him? Pushing and/or beating Ogier? If yes, then why he didn't really do it before (except for once in Sweden)? Why only after he was out of his job?

Mikkelsen said he held back a bit this year with focus on consistency rather than wins, now he's starting to be able to push for a whole rally with out mistakes so it's looking good! He didn't have anything to loose in Australia so no point not to push. The performance against Ogier in Poland was also very good.

[Mirek]

Not (yet?) on Ogier's level but for sure better option than Latvala in my opinion.

[Rallyper]

So:
Latvala - Toyota
Mikkelsen - MSport
Ogier - Private VW-team

[Andre Oliveira]

No,

Ogier - Ford
Latvala - Toyota
Mikkelsen - Private Ford

[Simmi]

No,

Ogier - Ford
Latvala - Toyota
Mikkelsen - Private Ford

You're seem very sure of Ogier to M-Sport Andre ;). Others starting to lose hope.


If the VW private team does happen Citroen might not look so stupid not letting Ogier into the C3.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC · 16m16 minutes ago

Nasser Al-Attiyah confirms to @yleurheilu he is "doing his best" to keep VW in #WRC in form of a private team: http://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9336819 …

[Eric]

Latvala and toyota is happening. Cant believe they chose him before Mikkelsen :confused:

[RS]

Latvala and toyota is happening. Cant believe they chose him before Mikkelsen :confused:

It is possible of course that Mikkelsen didn't want to join Toyota. Or it could just be that he wasn't Finnish enough.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Latvala and toyota is happening. Cant believe they chose him before Mikkelsen :confused:

Latvala is from Finland. Mikkelsen from Norway. So therefore it is quite clear who will drive for the finnish national Team aka Toyota

[Barreis]

Fi(n)nished enough :D

[Andre Oliveira]

You're seem very sure of Ogier to M-Sport Andre ;). Others starting to lose hope.


If the VW private team does happen Citroen might not look so stupid not letting Ogier into the C3.


Lets see what next hours bring to us :) For sure Monte-Carlo starts next weekend for some.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

VW's in Monte looking more and more likely...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-wrc/volkswagen-polo-wrcs-will-compete-2017-if-backer-can-be-found

[Rally Power]

VW's in Monte looking more and more likely...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-wrc/volkswagen-polo-wrcs-will-compete-2017-if-backer-can-be-found

It’d be great if it becomes real. After so much hard work VW M guys really deserve to get their new car on WRC stages. Fingers crossed!

[FAlonso]

Reading the article I would say Ogier and Latvala (if today's Toyota rumours are true) won´t be driving the VWs, even if things come together.

Which leaves Mikkelsen in prime position to take on the challenge along with Nasser and maybe some others.

Could be interesting.

[Andre Oliveira]

Nasser supported Neuville's rising start. Maybe he can support now Mikkelsen.

[Simmi]

Reading the article I would say Ogier and Latvala (if today's Toyota rumours are true) won´t be driving the VWs, even if things come together.

Surely Ogier would be a massive boost to generating the funding? I would guess if it happens it's very likely he'll go there for a year. But no way to tell yet.

[Rally Power]

Surely Ogier would be a massive boost to generating the funding?

Good point. Most likely his wage won’t be cheap, but there's no better way to get this deal done than having a 4 time WRC champion along.

[bassist]

Good point. Most likely his wage won’t be cheap, but there's no better way to get this deal done than having a 4 time WRC champion along.

Great for the Championship with potentially 5 Manufactures involved, but what a bloody merry go round!!

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.org/tp8ynsjgn/vwc.jpg

[the sniper]

Surely Ogier would be a massive boost to generating the funding? I would guess if it happens it's very likely he'll go there for a year. But no way to tell yet.

Possibly, but even without Ogier you've got to imagine that a low cost Mikkelsen would have a good shot at the Drivers Championship anyway, saving the millions that'd have to go to Ogier. Would the extra funding Ogier might bring outweigh his extra cost? Maybe he'd agree to a cheaper deal if he knows the 2017 Polo is that much better than the Fiesta...

For the sake of the WRC though, competition wise, I'd still really love to see Ogier go to MSport and Mikkelsen stay with Qatar VW!

[WUff1]

It is possible of course that Mikkelsen didn't want to join Toyota. Or it could just be that he wasn't Finnish enough.

For sure the latter!

[Simmi]

Possibly, but even without Ogier you've got to imagine that a low cost Mikkelsen would have a good shot at the Drivers Championship anyway, saving the millions that'd have to go to Ogier. Would the extra funding Ogier might bring outweigh his extra cost? Maybe he'd agree to a cheaper deal if he knows the 2017 Polo is that much better than the Fiesta...

For the sake of the WRC though, competition wise, I'd still really love to see Ogier go to MSport and Mikkelsen stay with Qatar VW!

I kind of see it from the other perspective - that without Ogier is it really worth all that money from Qatar, Red Bull whoever to resurrect the programme? Why go to all that trouble and then try to cut costs on drivers and potentially not be competitive? This deal would keep a huge amount of his VW colleagues in the WRC so if Ogier is going to take a cut-price deal for any team then it would be this one I think.

[rallyfiend]

Who says Ogier's salary would need to be externally funded?

VW has a contract with him that they're likely to need to pay him out for, so why not just stick him in the car...?

[rage82]

I think Ogier contract with VW is terminated. This is quote directly from autocar.co.uk article about possible Polo 2017 participation: "However, Durheimer confirmed that four-time world champion Sebastien Ogier's contract with VW had been terminated, and said that if a private team raised enough funds to run the cars it would be able to choose who drove them."

[Simmi]

I think the termination of the contract is part of the same process that saw the factory team close down. Not too much to read into that - had to be done eventually.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier with important meeting today.
Tommi don't wait Ogier sign anymore.

[EstWRC]

Seriously, why it takes so long? I'm getting angry already, lol.

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe only tomorrow ;)

[Doon]

Tommi don't wait Ogier sign anymore.

Do you mean Tommi can't sign Ogier anymore?

[Andre Oliveira]

Eric Dobrowski: french translated

The team toyota great racing, no longer believes in the runway Sébastien Ogier, that's what they claimed yesterday in corsica in any case, they were seeing him now at m sport.

[EstWRC]

i say M-sport definitely now after reading this:

Ogier has been impressed by the M-Sport chief's enthusiasm.

"Malcolm has made it clear it's his priority to work with us and this is something playing in his favour," Ogier said.

"You like to have people who are very clear and very motivated to work with us."

Sebastien Ogier will decide between two options for his World Rally Championship future this week.

https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127417/ogier-down-to-two-options-for-2017-seat

[skarderud]

Its down to M-sport or vw-qatar-redbull-something then.

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[tomhlord]

i say M-sport definitely now after reading this:

Ogier has been impressed by the M-Sport chief's enthusiasm.

"Malcolm has made it clear it's his priority to work with us and this is something playing in his favour," Ogier said.

"You like to have people who are very clear and very motivated to work with us."

Sebastien Ogier will decide between two options for his World Rally Championship future this week.

https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127417/ogier-down-to-two-options-for-2017-seat

Nice to see confirmation that Ogier has driven the Yaris on gravel and wasn't too much a fan of it on tarmac. Horses mouth.

[rogef]

Interesting about Ogier about the Yaris:

"It was not so good on Tarmac, I agree, but it was better on gravel," he said.

"It was very slippery, so it doesn't help to show the potential, but also in these conditions you can quickly tell what's wrong with the car."

[rogef]

Interesting about Ogier about the Yaris:

"It was not so good on Tarmac, I agree, but it was better on gravel," he said.

"It was very slippery, so it doesn't help to show the potential, but also in these conditions you can quickly tell what's wrong with the car."

My perception is that Ogier will be closer to Toyota than Ford. Let's wait and see.

Their words are clear ...

"I have the option of one or two years of contract ..." "I want a fast car to stimulate me, but stability is also very important ..."

... "Yaris was not so fast on the tarmac ... but it was on the gravel ..." Justifying that the floor on the tarmac was not exactly in the best conditions to vindicate the potentiality in the car, but the problems he felt are easy to correct...

Analyzing the interview at the words of Ogier and not Malcon, I would say that he is closer to Toyota.

[Andre Oliveira]

He are being polite. From his words definitely Ford!

[tomhlord]

... "Yaris was not so fast on the tarmac ... but it was on the gravel ..." .

That's not what he says.

[Andre Oliveira]

That's not what he says.


"It was not so good on Tarmac, I agree, but it was better on gravel," he said.

"It was very slippery, so it doesn't help to show the potential, but also in these conditions you can quickly tell what's wrong with the car."

[pantealex]

Don´t wait any VW names from Toyota yet, if they give us a name it will be Lappi.

Btw. Volkswagen: Nasser is driving Dakar, who do you think will drive 2nd car in Monte ? (and who is possible 3rd driver?)
If Qatar/RedBull pay, they want to have team championship trophy!

[liposh]

Don´t you think it is weird that Suninen is testing Toyota all the time, but Lappi has never driven any test just one month before Monte? Just saying. I think the contract with Skoda is over, isn´t it? Maybe contract with Skoda is valid till end of the year, but then it sucks.

[rogef]

He are being polite. From his words definitely Ford!

Okay, André, if you say that with such certainty, it's because you know more than we do.

Grande abraço!

[EstWRC]

such a mess this driver moving theme at the moment and this VW private thing...cant wait to get some clarification already but it seems to me that we still have to wait a week.

but all my hopes are for tomorrow.

[Simmi]

This potential VW deal will delay everything I think. Right down to the wire I reckon.

[er88]

No wonder the Toyota is slow on tarmac, as they only started testing properly on that surface 4-6weeks ago it seems. Difficult to understand why....

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[Rallyper]

The beers coming holidays tastes even better after we know and then what to expect from 2017.

[pantealex]

Don´t wait any VW names from Toyota yet, if they give us a name it will be Lappi.

Btw. Volkswagen: Nasser is driving Dakar, who do you think will drive 2nd car in Monte ? (and who is possible 3rd driver?)
If Qatar/RedBull pay, they want to have team championship trophy!

My own prediction: Suninen is VW driver with both 2016 and 2017 models.

[bluuford]

Don´t wait any VW names from Toyota yet, if they give us a name it will be Lappi.

Btw. Volkswagen: Nasser is driving Dakar, who do you think will drive 2nd car in Monte ? (and who is possible 3rd driver?)
If Qatar/RedBull pay, they want to have team championship trophy!

Dakar ends on 14th of January, Nasser takes his private plane, sleeps in the plane and he is in Monte on Sunday afternoon :) If he finishes Dakar ;)

[tc10a]

Dakar ends on 14th of January, Nasser takes his private plane, sleeps in the plane and he is in Monte on Sunday afternoon :) If he finishes Dakar ;)

But probably quite some testing before Monte is also needed. Not so easy with tight schedule before and during Dakar. So maybe someone else in Monte.

[EstWRC]

ok since its getting ridiculous, maybe dmack will buy the team? Dmack VW Rally Team, drivers Ogier and Tänak :laugh:

[er88]

This is Red Bulls opportunity to buy the VW team, and run it like they do with their F1 team. It's a good opportunity for them, and they could easily offer Ogier the money and secure future for a number of years.

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[the sniper]

Btw. Volkswagen: Nasser is driving Dakar, who do you think will drive 2nd car in Monte ? (and who is possible 3rd driver?)
If Qatar/RedBull pay, they want to have team championship trophy!

ok since its getting ridiculous[...]

Lets get ridiculous... Proper silly season stuff, I'll call it now: VW test driver Marcus Gronholm to make a competitive come back, doing a limited schedule, covering the rallies that Nasser will miss in the Qatar VW! :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ok since its getting ridiculous, maybe dmack will buy the team? Dmack VW Rally Team, drivers Ogier and Tänak :laugh:

Ha ha ... Why DMack cant sponsor a VW rather than a M-Sport Ford... ;)

[Allyc85]

Latvala signs for Toyota then..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127424/latvala-secures-2017-toyota-wrc-seat

[FAlonso]

Things begin falling into place.

[seb_sh]

Latvala was probably the easiest to predict considering how finnish the Toyota team is.

It all depends now on how the private VW team will be organised. Is it just Qatar or a joint effort with Red Bull? How many cars will they run?
The strongest line up would be Ogier, Mikkelsen and Al-Attiyah/Suninen (alternating depending on how Nasser wants or can). That would actually still be the strongest starting line up in 2017.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I can see Ogier going with the RedBull/Qatar team if at all possible. I'm sure he wont want to see someone else in 'his' Polo getting the benefit.

Mikkelsen must surely go wherever Ogier doesnt and he would be very strong in the Polo.

[Mirek]

Latvala signs for Toyota then..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127424/latvala-secures-2017-toyota-wrc-seat

No free beers then...

[seb_sh]

some more info here: http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/al-attiyah-working-on-2017-volkswagen-wrc-plan-857371/

from the article:
Al-Attiyah revealed to Motorsport.com that he is working on a deal with the VW Group, which is 14.6-percent owned by the Qatar sovereign wealth fund.
He said: "We are trying to drive the new Polo R 2017. As you know, Qatar has some shares in the VW Group.
"I met the officials here in Qatar and we are trying to make that possible. If it’s possible, then why not? If we get the confirmation, then I’ll do the full WRC season next year."
Should he not secure a deal with Volkswagen, Al-Attiyah also indicated he will take part in the WRC Trophy class, which was created for pre-2016 cars.

so if he gets the deal done he'll be a full time driver, I guess maybe except for Monte if he's doing the Dakar. If not he's going to do WRC trophy, I assume in a '16 Polo.

[MM WRC]

I start to have a feeling that VW 2017 is going to be another Citroen 2006...

[Rally Power]

It all depends now on how the private VW team will be organised. Is it just Qatar or a joint effort with Red Bull? How many cars will they run?
.

Probably it’s just a 2 car team, as having 3 would make a bit harder to get the proper budget. Red Bull has been supporting Nasser on his Dakar entries for a long time and it was through him that Toyota got RB sponsorship for next Dakar. Besides, RB was VW sponsor and actually is the WRC promoter, so it makes all sense to believe they can become a partner on this deal.

Btw, now that Toyota is out of his map, is Ogier delaying a sign with MSport to see how this Qatar/RB deal comes out? And isn't Matton a bit too quiet? Is it yet possible a reactive move from Citroen middle east partner to get Ogier along?

Yep, most exciting silly season ever!

[dimviii]

Probably it’s just a 2 car team, as having 3 would make a bit harder to get the proper budget.

maybe Ostberg could pay a 3rd car drive

[Rally Power]

maybe Ostberg could pay a 3rd car drive

Yep, hard to imagine a month ago that VW could become MSport main competitor on the rally rent business…

[pantealex]

Latvala signs for Toyota then..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127424/latvala-secures-2017-toyota-wrc-seat

and Tommi says he did not...

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004897150.html?ref=rss

[bluuford]

and Tommi says he did not...

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004897150.html?ref=rss

Finally he picked up my call and listened.. I really want those beers from Mirek :P

[macebig]

Tommi is bluffing.

[seb_sh]

Yep, most exciting silly season ever!

and Tommi says he did not...
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004897150.html?ref=rss

Tommi is bluffing.

haha, this is getting sillier by the hour!

JML also said the deal is not signed but I guess they have an agreement in principle or something like that.

[AL14]

Would be a real shame if Mikkelsen remain without seat next year.

[smsgrafica]

Would be a real shame if Mikkelsen remain without seat next year.

Ogier -> Citroen/Ford/VW
JML -> Toyota
Mikkelsen -> Ford/VW

Plenty of seats available!

[Andre Oliveira]

Strong rumours about BIG sponsor to M-Sport

[bassist]

God, so many rumours, rumours. Think I will wait to see the entry for Monte Carlo when hopefully this will have all shaken out! Exciting though.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ends day 16. But tomorrow should be the climax

[Allez Andruet]

and Tommi says he did not...

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004897150.html?ref=rss

Well, he didn't say that to be honest. Actually Tommi said that "I can't tell you anything yet, but it's clear that Jari-Matti is very likely to drive for us." So basically you can take that as a done deal.

[er88]

Strong rumours about BIG sponsor to M-Sport
Give us a clue

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[Andre Oliveira]

I don't know yet. Strong rumours ;)

[EstWRC]

hmmm....it maybe a energy drink company i guess? ;)

[bassist]

Not Lucozade Sport?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Source tells me that Red Bull will have a two car team in 2017 with Ogier and Ostberg. 100% confident on this so here we go!

[GravelBen]

Source tells me that Red Bull will have a two car team in 2017 with Ogier and Ostberg. 100% confident on this so here we go!

You're always 100% confident on everything! :p

[RAS007]

You're always 100% confident on everything! :p


And usually 100% wrong.

[Toyoda]

Ha the suspense is killing me... my pick,

Redbull Ford: Ogier, Tanak, Ostberg
Dmack Ford: Evans Camili
Toyota: JML, Han, Sun
Qatar: VW Al, Mik, Lap


Not sure about Lappi and Suninen, maybe Lappi will be Toyota and Suninen will be test development driver of WRC and R5?

[Doon]

Ogier has driven the 3 available cars. If the VW IS the quickest (which it will be), there is no way the Ogier will settle for a Fiesta with Mikkelsen in a VW.

[Arwel Davies]

Mr Ogier does appear to have a difficult decision to make and not much time to make it. He has rejected the Toyota offer, he appears to have a firm offer from M Sport and now we have the possibility of the 2017 Polo being run by a private team. Now, he doesn't have that much time to make up his mind on what he wants to do. He could take the M sport deal and feel dissapointed if the private VW team is launched and Mikkelsen gets the seat. He could hold out for the VW team, which may not come to anything, and lose out on the M sport seat as they will have to register their drivers before Monte Carlo and then be left on the sidelines with no seat. Some big calls to make in the next few days. If as he said he could take a year out to be at home with his wife and son then it wouldn't surprise me if he did hold out for the VW seat but I personally think we shall see him in a Fiesta next year.

[MartinMK]

https://twitter.com/DMACK_Tyres/status/806418301274521600
We've got some @ElfynEvans news later this morning #staytuned

[bluuford]

You have to keep in mind that VW so far was the team with nearly unlimited budget. Remember what happened in GB? All cars had transmission issuses and they solved it overnight. So, and if you look how many parts they are homologating over year, then with semi private team, there is always risk that official teams can do more or teams with more cars can do more. Imagine M-Sport having 5 cars like Wilson is dreaming? And VW only two, that means 2.5 times more testing during real competition. So, in short term, Polo is probably fastest.. but long term? Do they still have all the technical staff or some have already left to other teams? this is unknown factor and risk.

[Sulland]

Nasser & Co har bigger budget than VW these days :-)


You have to keep in mind that VW so far was the team with nearly unlimited budget. Remember what happened in GB? All cars had transmission issuses and they solved it overnight. So, and if you look how many parts they are homologating over year, then with semi private team, there is always risk that official teams can do more or teams with more cars can do more. Imagine M-Sport having 5 cars like Wilson is dreaming? And VW only two, that means 2.5 times more testing during real competition. So, in short term, Polo is probably fastest.. but long term? Do they still have all the technical staff or some have already left to other teams? this is unknown factor and risk.

[Andre Oliveira]

DMACK @MSA_BRC champ @ElfynEvans will take part in this weekend’s Bettega Memorial rally at Bologna @MotorShowBo in a Fiesta WRC

[tomhlord]

DMACK @MSA_BRC champ @ElfynEvans will take part in this weekend’s Bettega Memorial rally at Bologna @MotorShowBo in a Fiesta WRC

Cool, but damn, was hoping for WRC news.

[Andre Oliveira]

He will be at Monte-Carlo

[Eric]

Ogier -> Citroen/Ford/VW
JML -> Toyota
Mikkelsen -> Ford/VW

Plenty of seats available!

In my head M-sport is Mikkelsens only chance. VW is only happening with Ogier onboard. If Ogier signs with M-sport I'm not to sure we will see Mikkelsen in 2017
Toyota - Closed
Hyundai - Closed
Citroen - Closed (only open for Ogier)
M-sport - One seat (or pay up)
VW - Only Ogier

[Doon]

In my head M-sport is Mikkelsens only chance. VW is only happening with Ogier onboard. If Ogier signs with M-sport I'm not to sure we will see Mikkelsen in 2017
Toyota - Closed
Hyundai - Closed
Citroen - Closed (only open for Ogier)
M-sport - One seat (or pay up)
VW - Only Ogier

What about Ogier and Mikkelsen at VW?

[RS]

Ogier has driven the 3 available cars. If the VW IS the quickest (which it will be), there is no way the Ogier will settle for a Fiesta with Mikkelsen in a VW.

Personally (not that he would care what I think) I would think higher of Ogier if he moved to a different team and made them into a winner.

It depends what his career goals are.. to make the most money, take the most wins, or take on a bit more of a challenge. I think the latter, ie. a move to MSport would be more interesting for us fans.

[tc10a]

Just my personal opinion: If the Fiesta would have been on the pace of the Polo, the Ogier - Msport Deal would have been done very quickly, especially with all the testing schedule before monte. The longer it takes, the more it becomes unlikely. Looks like Ogier is really waiting to get everything in place with VW again.

[Doon]

Just my personal opinion: If the Fiesta would have been on the pace of the Polo, the Ogier - Msport Deal would have been done very quickly, especially with all the testing schedule before monte. The longer it takes, the more it becomes unlikely. Looks like Ogier is really waiting to get everything in place with VW again.

Exactly! Ogier's career goal is to beat Loeb's records, therefore he doesn't want a challenge wants the fastest car. I would rather see him take a risk and driver the Fiesta.

[SubaruNorway]

You have to keep in mind that VW so far was the team with nearly unlimited budget. Remember what happened in GB? All cars had transmission issuses and they solved it overnight. So, and if you look how many parts they are homologating over year, then with semi private team, there is always risk that official teams can do more or teams with more cars can do more. Imagine M-Sport having 5 cars like Wilson is dreaming? And VW only two, that means 2.5 times more testing during real competition. So, in short term, Polo is probably fastest.. but long term? Do they still have all the technical staff or some have already left to other teams? this is unknown factor and risk.

That was just a simple issue with the cv joint boot coming off due to a new clamp type

[EstWRC]

in other news, strong rumours that Tänak and Mõlder arent working together anymore...dunno the exact reasons at the moment but the most likely replacement is Kruuda's co-driver Järveoja.

i really hope it isnt true because this year they worked really good together and in my eyes Tänak would be back in the same situation like he was in 2012 or 2015... a lot of learning to do for the new co-driver and i think this learning curve may come with some costly mistakes.


i really hope it is just a rumour.

[Andre Oliveira]

Järveoja was codriving Ott in Walters arena test

[EstWRC]

yes but the rumour didnt start there...Raigo said that he isnt needed at every test...he has missed a test previously too.

[OldF]

Well, he didn't say that to be honest. Actually Tommi said that "I can't tell you anything yet, but it's clear that Jari-Matti is very likely to drive for us." So basically you can take that as a done deal.

He didn’t say “likely” (= todennäköisesti) but
”JML is a very strong candidate to join us. However we will look at all the driver options until the end”.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Source tells me that Red Bull will have a two car team in 2017 with Ogier and Ostberg. 100% confident on this so here we go!

In what car ?

[Lundefaret]

He didn’t say “likely” (= todennäköisesti) but
”JML is a very strong candidate to join us. However we will look at all the driver options until the end”.

I think what Tommi is saying is that he will wait to sign Latvala until it is 110% certain that Ogier goes else where ;)

[OldF]

I think what Tommi is saying is that he will wait to sign Latvala until it is 110% certain that Ogier goes else where ;)

That’s how I would interpret it also.:)

[Eric]

I think what Tommi is saying is that he will wait to sign Latvala until it is 110% certain that Ogier goes else where ;)

Ogier has already told Toyota he won't go there.
Im guessing Toyota will not say anything before the contract with Latvala is 100% clear and signed. But thats only a matter of time.

[spyros]

Ogier is the best at the moment,very talented,very profesional and so on,but is arogant and egoist and thats why he's not even pick the phone to Matton (remember when he's left the team) so no citroen for him and thats why he said about 2 options Ford or private VW.In my country we say that if someone goes for all then lost everything.

[Teardrop]

Ogier is the best at the moment,very talented,very profesional and so on,but is arogant and egoist and thats why he's not even pick the phone to Matton (remember when he's left the team) so no citroen for him and thats why he said about 2 options Ford or private VW.In my country we say that if someone goes for all then lost everything.
I agree that Ogier might be a bit arrogant. But it is not appropriate to make mistakes with other things: in 2011 the Citroen was incorrect with Ogier and not the opposite, as it was suggested by you.

[RallyTyger]

Source tells me that Red Bull will have a two car team in 2017 with Ogier and Ostberg. 100% confident on this so here we go!

Ostberg stated at least twice, in interviews, that he will be driving a 2017 WRC car next year, and that he already tested that car - but he is not allowed to reveal any details yet. We know he tested the fiesta... is it possible he tested the vw completely secret without anyone noticing?

[Andre Oliveira]

Heard that Østberg was in TMR facilities.

[bassist]

Just heard that Santa is in Northern Finland.

[ruesluporp]

Ogier is the best at the moment,very talented,very profesional and so on,but is arogant and egoist and thats why he's not even pick the phone to Matton (remember when he's left the team) so no citroen for him and thats why he said about 2 options Ford or private VW.In my country we say that if someone goes for all then lost everything.


Always the same vaseline: Ogier is arrogant... (and egoist). Is it because you are fan of another driver (who did not win the WRC championship since 4 years)?

[Doon]

I've heard Ogier has signed for Citroen, which has made Meeke jump ship to reside in a VW alongside Mikkelsen.

[dimviii]

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[spyros]

Always the same vaseline: Ogier is arrogant... (and egoist). Is it because you are fan of another driver (who did not win the WRC championship since 4 years)?

in the past i used to be fan of Juha and Colin but now in my age (im 50)i'm not fan of anyone, i love the sport and i want to be like it was in 90s.I missed personalitys like those of Juha,Carlos etc...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've heard Ogier has signed for Citroen, which has made Meeke jump ship to reside in a VW alongside Mikkelsen.

Well done, that has to be the craziest rumour yet...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@absoluterally
Podcast will be 24 hours later than normal this week! Sorry, we think it's worth the wait.

Hmmm, could the WRC saga be coming to a conclusion ??

[Simmi]

@absoluterally
Podcast will be 24 hours later than normal this week! Sorry, we think it's worth the wait.

Hmmm, could the WRC saga be coming to a conclusion ??

I enjoy listening to the podcast but I think you're giving them way too much credit there.

[GravelBen]

I've heard Ogier has signed for Citroen, which has made Meeke jump ship to reside in a VW alongside Mikkelsen.

I heard that Citroen has bought the 2017 VW cars and will be running them with Citroen badges and hoping nobody notices the difference.

[EightGear]

I heard the expansion of Tommi's farm is secretly just for extra cows.

[Franky]

I heard the expansion of Tommi's farm is secretly just for extra cows.

No, they figured out that it's financially wiser to start production of Santas. Rumour says that Tommi saw Rare Exports short films

[Sulland]

I heard the expansion of Tommi's farm is secretly just for extra cows.

Mad Cow(s)?

[cali]

Mad Cow(s)?
Finnish Mad Cows

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

I enjoy listening to the podcast but I think you're giving them way too much credit there.

Thought they might just be aware of something coming from M-Sport...

[itix]

This thread is just becoming a decadent display of sarcasm and I love it... But as a friend of order, we have the bar talk thread for that.

[bassist]

What`s your take on this Circus then itix. Can you sort the wheat from the chaff?

[itix]

Not really. Someone (Seb_ch maybe) said that they don't trust anything until rally Monte Carlo. I'm kind of willing to subscribe to that notion as well. This is becoming a right bloody guessing game.

When we know, we know. Until then everything is just speculation.

Edit: no it was you bassist.

[Rally Power]

This thread is just becoming a decadent display of sarcasm and I love it... But as a friend of order, we have the bar talk thread for that.

You’re right Itix. I was about to say that’s great to have Makinen farming cows, as cows tend to oversteer instead of understeer, but now I won’t…

[jbmarcus21]

FIA published 2017 rules .. Power Stage move to points modification with the 5 fastest gets bonus : 5pts 4 3 2 1 ... 3 cars are nominated (details => http://bit.ly/2gn2uYO )

[sindroms]

Before the big news is there, excellent interview with Harri Rovanpera on Latvian motorsport site go4speed.lv to read.
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/wrc/6377-harijs-rovanpera-lidz-sim-rallija-nekad-neko-neesmu-kallem-macijis/

Most interesting & funniest quotes:

"How you rate Kalle's season?
I was pleasantly surprised he was so fast with 4WD already in first year and managed drive so quick as Tidemand and Sirmacis did. However mechanics told me they were not surprised for him - they knew he will be quick (smile)"

"You told me in last year already that you didn't gave any advice to Kalle and he is driving as he can and wants himself. Is he driving without your advice this year too?
Yes, I can confirm I have never teach him to anything. Never! When he was taking first steps in to rally I gave him some advice and he replied it doesn't suits to him and he will drive as he wants to. Last year I made pacenotes for him and Kalle were adjusting it. This year he is making pacenotes by himself and and I don't interfere in it. Some times I have tried to suggest to take this turn in more less speed because of there is next turn right after it... Kalle answered- shut up (laughing). We have an agreement if there is the need in to my advice he will ask for it, but that day has not come yet (laughing). All the questions to mechanics he discussed and made conclusions by himself - what he likes or not, what changes is needed and etc. I must say it's amazing how he feels a car - all setup changes made by him until now works in right direction. He all has learned by himself. Even car and dampers settings are chosen by him. After tests he is giving feedback to mechanics I am not taking part in it."

"Plans for next year - we will definitely drive in Latvia and if there will be a chance other rallies too. Kalle starts to like tarmac and we will try improve skills on it. Latvia is only chance where young drivers can start learn rally driving. In Finland young drivers without driving license can drive too but cars have little power and they are driving without pacenotes. How you can learn pacenotes if you don't have where to do it? It's just like young ice-hockey player to force play on meadow and only when he hits 18 to allow him play in hall (laughing)"

"It's not secret that Tommi Makkinen have an interest...
Yes so it is but who know's how it will develop in future. Anything could happen after a few years. Several teams are talking to us - Malcolm Wilson, Michael Nandan. When we walked in Spain WRC service park everyone was talking to Kalle not me (laughing)".

[pantealex]

FIA published 2017 rules .. Power Stage move to points modification with the 5 fastest gets bonus : 5pts 4 3 2 1 ... 3 cars are nominated (details => http://bit.ly/2gn2uYO )

and JWRC rules are still "TBA"

[maailmameister]

According to MARCA, Wilson has today convened an extraordinary meeting with the top representatives of the American company at his facilities in Dovenby Hall, England; Pursuing a clear objective: to involve them directly in the project, to try to recover the aura of official squad that they wore until 2012.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.marca.com/motor/rallies/2016/12/08/5849581d468aeb97348b4656.html

[macebig]

Do it,Bill!Sign that check!Ford deserves the No1 on the doors and a realistic chance to the titles!

[Rallyper]

I have a small suggestion:
Why not let Seb drive each car in first four WRC rallies in 2017 and then he´ll choose which he thinks is best? ;)

[Jasper]

I don't know anybody will care, but Serderidis will drive WRC trophy (DS3). Start with monte, further program depends on result in Monte...

[janvanvurpa]

Finnish Mad Cows

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How would you tell one of those from ordinary?
probably both very fast.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark's new blog implies that Ogier's choice is between M-Sport or Citroen and says he is meeting with the head of the PSA Group, not Matton.

Clark also says the private VW deal will be too costly for any sponsor to pay for and also pay a top driver (ie Ogier/Mikkelsen).

Mikkelsen is said to be in danger of not getting a 2017 drive.

https://www.facebook.com/voiceofrally/videos/677699292392737/

[the sniper]

I can't believe at all that if there was a VW Qatar drive going, in a team without Ogier, that Mikkelsen would turn them down because they weren't willing to pay enough... It'd be the best, maybe only chance, for him to be a Champion!

[cali]

How would you tell one of those from ordinary?
probably both very fast.
And very mad!

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[Jack4688`]

I can't believe at all that if there was a VW Qatar drive going, in a team without Ogier, that Mikkelsen would turn them down because they weren't willing to pay enough... It'd be the best, maybe only chance, for him to be a Champion!

I think the point Colin Clark was making is for anybody to afford running those cars (it has to cost VW zero) then they need very deep pockets i.e. Qatar. He also said that the private the VWs seem to be Mikkelsen's only chance for a drive in 2017 unless he pays M-Sport for a drive/car, so not actually suggesting you'd need a lot of money to tempt Mikkelsen into driving the VW.

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres

Congrats to Nicolas Ciamin who won the Drive DMACK Shoot Out today @MSportLtd - interviews, physical and driving assessment with @ElfynEvans

[Simmi]

Colin Clark's new blog implies that Ogier's choice is between M-Sport or Citroen and says he is meeting with the head of the PSA Group, not Matton.

Clark also says the private VW deal will be too costly for any sponsor to pay for and also pay a top driver (ie Ogier/Mikkelsen).

Mikkelsen is said to be in danger of not getting a 2017 drive.

https://www.facebook.com/voiceofrally/videos/677699292392737/

Not sure Colin really knows much more than the rest of us?

[rallyfiend]

Not sure Colin really knows much more than the rest of us?

Agreed.

I felt like what he knows is what he reads on here....

He didn't actually say anything useful or not widely know at all.

[dimviii]

Agreed.

I felt like what he knows is what he reads on here....

He didn't actually say anything useful or not widely know at all.
+1

[Eric]

Im not sure Colins thoughts about M-sport is right. Can´t see why Malcolm wouldn't want Mikkelsen if Ogier ends up in VW.. Most likely Malcolm doesn't have to pay anything to Mikkelsen, only the costs of running the car. Thats a pretty good deal for WRC´s third best driver

[dimviii]

no comments about Latvala at Toyota? not a surprise,but I d like to listen your thoughts.

[Rally Power]

Why is everybody so sure Wilson can’t get Mikkelsen? If Ogier doesn’t sign it’d be a waste not to take it. He could put Camilli on WRC2 or ERC. It worked for Evans.

[dimviii]

Why is everybody so sure Wilson can’t get Mikkelsen? If Ogier doesn’t sign it’d be a waste not to take it. He could put Camilli on WRC2 or ERC. It worked for Evans.

if it worked for Evans, we will see when Evans will return with wrc car.

[EstWRC]

no comments about Latvala at Toyota? not a surprise,but I d like to listen your thoughts.


well, like you said, it is no surprise...at least we get to know how bad/good the car really is.

[Rally Power]

if it worked for Evans, we will see when Evans will return with wrc car.

He'll be fine. He seems more consistent now.

[AL14]

If I were Wilson I would take Mikkelsen even if Ogier accepts and put Camilli in both WRC2 and WRC Trophy maybe, to get more experience (and maybe some run in the top league at the end of the year).
Of course only if sponsors can pay for it. Take into account that he would win manufacturer with that kind of lineup.

[maciotacio]

Evans himself told that this year was a stagnation. Maybe he seems more consistent but in R5 car, we don't know how it would be in WRC. Kubica was also consistent in WRC2 ;). What Evans was lacking is pure pace, especially on gravel - thats still a big question mark.

Shame if Mikkelsen couldn't get a 2017 drive. Still don't get why Hanninen has a seat, when there is 3rd best driver of 2017 on the market knocking on TMR doors...

He had some experience with cows if that could help. Ok, maybe not the best one to start negotiation with Tommi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSE0QTJ_po

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not sure Colin really knows much more than the rest of us?

CC just giving his opinions which IMO are bit more valid than mere fans as he has the contacts.

[Allez Andruet]

Shame if Mikkelsen couldn't get a 2017 drive. Still don't get why Hanninen has a seat, when there is 3rd best driver of 2017 on the market knocking on TMR doors...[/url]
Probably because he's been involved with the project since day one and 2017 is still considered as a development year for TGR. Ofcourse it's a make or break year for Hänninen, if he doesn't deliver in 2017, he can forget WRC for good. He was excellent during his Skoda years, but after that he has too rarely shown his true capability. It'll be interesting to see his speed vs. Latvala.

I still think Mikkelsen's a bit overrated. Sure, the Australia win was magnificent, but he's driven the best car in the series for four years and been fastest in one rally. And I definitely don't mean that JML should've been picked by TGR before Mikkelsen (JML was horrible in 2016), but it's not like it's the biggest travesty in WRC history if Mikkelsen is left without a seat for 2017.

[smsgrafica]

Remember that Hänninen was confirmed as a full time driver before VW left the sport.

[Rally Power]

Damn! Living for a long WKND in a no phone/net zone. Il’ll miss news and rumours! My bet/wish: Ogier at Ford; Mikkelsen in VW along Nasser; Evans and Ostberg in DMack. Fingers crossed!

[seb_sh]

Mikkelsen is the third best driver in WRC, and he has been since 2015. Thats why it would be a shame to see him without a seat in 2017. Look at Camilli, does anyone really care about him? Or Østberg. They will never be able to match Ogiers speed. The sport need the guys that are able to chase down Ogier..
So, overrated or not, he is still in the top 3 and lets hope he will find a seat for next year.

Completely agree, in 2017 there are only 2 drivers that can challenge Ogier: Mikkelsen and Neuville. There are many other good drivers now, much more than 5 years ago but they are all at least 1 level below Ogier. Even Mikkelsen and Neuville need favourable circumstances to stand a chance, if everything is equal Ogier will beat them.

Also before people make the argument about Mikkelsen having the best car for a few years: he's been a close 3rd two times against JML and Neuville. He has grown above JML lately and he's about equal with Neuville. The only one clearly better, shoulders above the rest, is Ogier. Unless Meeke gets a clearly superior DS3 next year no on else can win the title in 2017 except Ogier, Mikkelsen or Neuville.

Moving on... about this silly season, it seems Ogier will make his decision soon. But even after that there are many things yet unknown. The first important point is the manufacturer registration for 2017 which i think is in december sometime. There we will find out if Ford decides to back MSport and if there will be any kind of VW team.