Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Brother John]

Here we have the new Discussion and Bar Talk Thread, I think we need it.

[OldF]

Who is paying for the beers? ;)

[stefanvv]

Who is paying for the beers? ;)

I think Tom is the most generous :D

[Mintexmemory]

I think Tom is the most generous :D
I'll drink to that :beer:

[stefanvv]

This thread is starting perfectly, straight to the most important thing.

[MAXLD]

Lool, this topic reminds me one time I went out to a pub with another four dudes (two of them were work colleagues) and watch some football game... and of course, they got drunk pretty quick and since they had different club preferences, I was expecting the unavoidable hardcore "club VS club" hostilities during the game... but for my surprise they were only quite bland with that.

What came next really baffled me... for some reason (probably the beer) one of the other 2 guys started to rant that Toivonen was the best rally driver ever!... and the other one immediately jumped to action defending Loeb like he was some kind of god! Things fired up to a no quarter duel like I've never seen before... It went from the GroupB era, to the Saxo kit car prices back in the day, regional car preparation, and many other things I can't even recall... all that stretched for hours. :D
The football game highlights were passing on TV but nobody gave a rats arse, the war was on! :angryfire :laugh:

Me and my 2 friends laughed the all time, they both didn't know a thing about rallying, and I was mind blown by all that circus "what a hell, where did all that come from?" :laugh:

I thought I could get some more driver names around that deserved mention, but I really didn't say a word, the booze was too strong with those two and they were already way too fired up and reaching a critical boiling point. I had to work the next day so I just waited for one of them just storm out of it in rage... which eventually happened after a long time.

But really, I was expecting the usual hardcore lesson in football history discussion and I witnessed something completely unexpected instead. Never underestimate someone's knowledge, and will to argue (specially when drunk). :vader:

[stefanvv]

.... And never underestimate the power and influence of Rally :vader:

[Barreis]

Ogier for wrc champ in 2013.

[Rallyper]

Ogier for wrc champ in 2013.

Wait and see. Nothing will surprise me less if we have a Citroen in top. Sordo I would guess...

[stefanvv]

How many beers for WDC? :D

[Barreis]

I'll pay 20 beers if Ogier will be a champ this year.

[Franky]

I'll pay 20 beers if Ogier will be a champ this year.

Just make it a round on you in the pub, for the entire forum ;)

[Barreis]

But if you'll come on Croatia rally, I'll pay 40 beers (here in pub it's about 50€ for 40 beers).

[cali]

Wait and see. Nothing will surprise me less if we have a Citroen in top. Sordo I would guess...
So we finally agree on something ;) Sordo is my bet for the WDC too.

[Donney]

Then I am paying 20 beers if Sordo wins the championship (I'd be more than happy to) :D

[A.F.F.]

Well, while we're at it, I'll put my share to the table. 20 beers for everyone if Paasonen wins the championship :up:

[Barreis]

Haha, A.F.F., you're skimpy. :D

[A.F.F.]

20 beers for each member. How's that? :)

[stefanvv]

That sounds like alot of broken dreams :D

[A.F.F.]

Never give up ;)

[Brother John]

Haha, A.F.F., you're skimpy. :D

A.F.F. I certainly do come to you for a beer this year no matter who wins the championship! ;-)

[Plan9]

Can you guys advise a good place to buy rally r/c cars online? Either pre-built or kits?

[BlueShift]

Can you guys advise a good place to buy rally r/c cars online? Either pre-built or kits?

Just buy your average high end gas or electric R/C car and buy a Rally Car cover for it. You can design it yourself!

[spiderem]

i just realized that last season, every time Loeb was on the podium, it was on the top spot.
last time he had a 2nd place was Germany 2011
last time he had a 3rd place was Jordania 2011

[spiderem]

i just realized that last season, every time Loeb was on the podium, it was on the top spot.
last time he had a 2nd place was Germany 2011
last time he had a 3rd place was Jordania 2011
actually he was 2nd in GB last year, my mistake. Apologies.

[Delta_HF]

So this is where the drinking is done then. :) )

[Mintexmemory]

So this is where the drinking is done then. :) )

Virtually yes, mostly Finns and Swedes in here!! The odd Belgian tanked up on virtual trappist beer!

[Delta_HF]

I may join in with a few Lagers later, get into the spirit. ;)

[Kielder]

We should join our forces...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC_D7coCAAEbu2X.jpg:large

[Barreis]

Just red in last EVO that C.McRae signed for X-Raid just before his death and was due to drive for the team in the 2008 Dakar.

[Plan9]

What issue was this?

[Barreis]

Last UK issue.

[Barreis]

In last issue of Car magazine (february) it's speech from Jimmy McRae about Colin's career.

[Donney]

OK I don't know if this has been discussed, but since this is a bar thread and alcohol makes your brain forget previous conversations... Which is the best ever livery, Rothmans or Martini?

Honestly I can't really decide... Bring another pint for inspiration!!!!

[stefanvv]

I like HB, cheers

[dimviii]

martini racing colors for me.

[Mintexmemory]

Neither - Alitalia (currently drinking a good Burgundy )

[AndyRAC]

Don't forget Jagermeister.....

[Donney]

For a drink or for a livery? :D

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[Barreis]

How much wins for Ogier this season?

[A FONDO]

12

[stefanvv]

How much wins for Ogier this season?

8

[pettersolberg29]

How much wins for Ogier this season?

I'd say every rally he finishes - which with the VW's apparent reliability may well be all of them. It's hard to know whether Ogier is an exceptional driver like Loeb was, or simply if the competition is shoddy. I'm thinking bit of both - beyond Ogier you have an average Mikko, a low-in-confidence Sordo, a crash-prone JML and a load of wannabe youngsters who aren't good enough yet. Not good for the champonship really. I think Mikkelsen has a real chance of finishing second in this championship now if he can keep it on the road - been faster than Mads at all levels so far and he seems like the second best driver at the moment. Which is a sad indictment for the lack of competition!

[dupanton]

I think Mikkelsen has a real chance of finishing second in this championship now if he can keep it on the road - been faster than Mads at all levels so far and he seems like the second best driver at the moment. Which is a sad indictment for the lack of competition!

No way! Mikkelsen has everything to learn, he will be no where close P2 in the championship... He even had difficulties winning IRC without any decent competition...

[Mintexmemory]

No way! Mikkelsen has everything to learn, he will be no where close P2 in the championship... He even had difficulties winning IRC without any decent competition...

I agree with dupanton but for different reasons. AM will be quick as the Polo is definitely 'this year's model. He has had lots of time testing it and he was often close to Ogier in the Fabias last year (a better indication than his IRC campaign) However he will not beat Ogier and JML often enough to catch Mikko and will have to stay ahead of Mads (when the Fiesta doesn't let him down). 5th place is the best he can hope for, especially as he will be frequently 'under orders'

[Donney]

5 wins tops!!!!

[oerigh]

It's a sad time for WRC. Rallying has been my favourite sport for nearly 20 years. Now that Loeb's gone, I've come to realize that there haven't been any truly great drivers for years (the likes of McRae, Sainz, Mäkinen and Kankkunen). The problem with WRC to me isn't the lack of manufacturers, it's the lack of truly great drivers (Østberg, Novikov, Latvala, Hirvonen... - I see no future in them). Add to this the fiasco in this years Monte CarLOL (where the most important stages were canceled due to inexcusable reasons) I haven't followed the sport anymore. Even during the last ten years when times were really difficult, I always believed that WRC would be able to bounce back, but this year has proved me wrong. Rallying has the potential to be the greatest sport there is, so I'm sad and surprised that I've completely lost interest in WRC.

[Barreis]

To pay a seat again?
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo3 GrA, ex Mkinen. Rallycars.info (http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrc&md=details&id=68605)

[danon]

How much wins for Ogier this season?

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/152244-sebastien-loeb-vs-8.html#post1117137

[Rallyewerk]

You guys follow off road rallys, too, or just gravel?

[A FONDO]

some of us :)

[trickydicky]

It's a sad time for WRC. The problem with WRC to me isn't the lack of manufacturers, it's the lack of truly great drivers.

I agree that the lack of truly great drivers is a bit of an issue, but the problem with the WRC is that it has killed itself on every level since about 1995, finally firing the killer bullet in 1997. Where do you start. Rallying was awesome, awesome cars in awesome locations doing awesome things. Now you have crap rallies, repeating the same stages over and over again to a grand total of about 300km, horrible, truly horrific ugly little wheezy cars that bare no relation to anything anyone can or would want to buy being driven by nobodies. You have a 'WRC' that had lost the Monte, and no longer has Corsica, the Safari, San Remo, the RAC, the proper Portugal. Short rally's, long rally's, sprints, enduros. Now they are all just sprints. As to what car fits into what class, that is a mystery too.

The obsession with manufacturers, TV time and David Richards are what killed it. In my opinion you don't need any manufacturers per se, people will always want to take part and will always fins something to drive. Works teams follow when manufacturers realize the value of being seen by a million or so road side fans. I'd ban 4wd and allow something similar to a Group 4/A/N hybrid of modification rules and have a standard production class underneath where its cheap to turn up. Then stand by and watch the next generation of French, Finnish and Swedish drivers come through. There are no drivers because nobody can afford a car! Then you bring back the classic events, in their classic forms and we are back to being somewhere again!!!

[BDunnell]

The problem with WRC to me isn't the lack of manufacturers, it's the lack of truly great drivers (Østberg, Novikov, Latvala, Hirvonen... - I see no future in them).

I agree completely. They're all decent enough drivers, but I can't get excited about any of them and can't understand how anybody else can either. Because of that, the admiration I ought to feel for Loeb and Ogier is diminished, because what do they have to beat? Coupled with the lack of stature of British rallying, my enthusiasm for the sport really is close to being at an end, and my hopes for its recovery all but non-existent.

[AndyRAC]

People say that the sport had to move with the times; Endurance is no longer fashionable.

Explain that to the organisers of Sebring 12 Hours, Le Mans 24 Hours, Nurburgring 24 Hours, Spa 24 Hours, Petit Le Mans, etc all get massive crowds, and Manufacturer support.

WRC went down the wrong path with the identikit events....but we've been saying that for too long now. The event organisers don't really want to change.

[BDunnell]

The event organisers don't really want to change.

Worse, the manufacturers and, now, the promoter don't want it to change. It's an entirely counter-intuitive attitude. And through it all the FIA continues to show little outward ability to make things better.

[stefanvv]

Lets be realistic, the romantic Rally times were long ago. But there is small progress last and this year with longer Rallies than recent years, that's good. As for the drivers there are some young talanted at the moment, but I don't see any of them beating Ogier this year for the title. But may be in some Rallies.... Probably only Latvala can do it with speed anyway :)

[Alex Langheck]

I do remember reading recently that apart from Loeb & Ogier – the rest weren’t up to it as World class drivers. The problem is that too many in the sport are blinkered, and can’t see it from an outsiders viewpoint. Of the FIA World series – only the WTCC has less talent.

[trickydicky]

I could live with the shorter rallies if they didn't repeat the stages so much and the cars were good, and likewise I could live with the cars if the rallies were good, but as it stands there is not much to like. Loeb's stats are an irrelavance to me. He dominated after all the greats of the turn of the century either retired or passed away and has never had to deal with local specialists, because they don't exist anymore, or endurance events, because they don't either. Winning in Finland against Hirvonen and Latvala is one thing, winning in Finland against Mikkola, Alen, Kankunnen, Salonen, Vatanen, Airrikala, Blomqvist and the like, like anyone had to in the 80's, is something else entirely. Winning a tarmac rally against a load of gravel specialists and rich kids is one thing, beating Auriol, Saby, Loubet, Delecour, Bugalski, Chatriot, Ragnotti, Beguin, Biasion, Cunico, Cerrato and whoever else, or before that Munari, Nicolas, Therier, Andruet and Darniche is again a different game. And that's before we talk about the Safari. I'm not saying Loeb wasn't good, and wouldn't have done well against previous era's drivers, just that he was never tested.

[Barreis]

Would cordoba wrc had better results if somebody like C.McRae drove it at that time?!

[Donney]

Most likely but it seems the car was not that brilliant.

[Barreis]

But Canellas had some good times later as a priveteer.

[Donney]

He had indeed, and in one of he most beautiful Cordobas built, but Auriol always complained about it being unstable and unpredictable "like a snake" were his words on one occasion and not even Gronholm himself managed to bright in it. Of course it never had the best of development programs around.

[Barreis]

Really liked the car. Especially ibiza kit cars, no F2 could beat it on gravel.

[Plan9]

Speaking of Seat, why did VAG choose to make Skoda focus on rally and Seat in touring cars?

[Hazza555)]

I would imagine at the time VAG could only be see benefit from one WRC program, the cordoba proved to be the weaker car and the plug was pulled, but I am only speculating. It was still another three years before Seat went into touring cars.

I would like to know how competitive Skoda could be now in the WRC if they could produce a WRC spec car, the Fabia S2000 would arguably make the best platform for one. And the experience they have gained over the last decade in various levels in the sport. Such a thing I would imagine to be unlikely though, but I do believe that VAG has no problem with inter-brand competition, perhaps why their unleashing Porsche on Le Mans...

Giá t?t b?n hi?n. r?nh ph? mình ch? ký nha. thanks!

[Coach 2]

Given all the talk and all who speak out about what is wrong with rallying, such as the FIA has done everything wrong for years, or that the rules meant for car classes makes it too expensive to participate in sport etc. etc, we should perhaps illustrate the whole problem (seen with my eyes, of course).

Virtually all sports are becoming more and more commercialized. More and more people will try to make money on
sport and many of them are not even interested in the sport they want to make money from. The main point is to make money. This means that there is very strong competition between all sports to appear in the media, and especially to be interesting for the TV companies that have also become more and more commercialized. In other words, it is all about ratings and marketing value. Something have to be sold and everyone will try make money on it.

Rally also competes with other forms of motorsport (when talking about the viewing figures). Are we talking about motorsport on four wheels are of course all forms of racing the competitor, F1, WTCC etc etc.

Rally in the U.S. For example, compete with NASCAR and IndyCar, and it is not easy.

In addition, rally competes with all forms of motorsport on two wheels.

Sport channels or sport on TV compete with news and news channels, movie channels and movies, television shows etc etc etc.

TV competes with computer, the web and all forms of video games.

What am I up to, all this competition for people's interest, some lose. The loser (rally lovers) has not necessarily done anything wrong, they may not have understood how good the others are.

For example: Loeb were not born. Solberg had been champion three times, Gronholm 2 times more, 2 times Hirvonen, Latvala 1 time, and Ogier already 2 times. All would have been declared a genius and all seasons would have been very exciting. MW and Ford would have been very successful.
But the problem is; Loeb was born, and thereby were all the other failed idiots. ;)

[Donney]

Therefore Loeb is the problem. Another beer please!!!!! :p

[Coach 2]

Therefore Loeb is the problem. Another beer please!!!!! :p

Loeb was not the problem, but you probably understand what I meant.

Come on guys, no one has a comment. To explain what I meant by the example of Loeb: Loeb is the winner in line with the sports that wins the battle with other sports, or those who promote other sports. Journalists are also competing about or for the sports they love, maybe motorsport journalists are not ambitious enough.

[stefanvv]

Yeah, we live in commercial world that is a fact, like it or not, I personally don't like it. It is just not right and the idea of sport is lost somewhere with so much commercialization - the competivness in sport is now not on the field, or the road, or the track, but between the money makers. Everyone is trying to make money of it, I completely agree here.

Unfortunatelly Rally can't compete with F1 for example in commercial aspect, F1 is much more attractive for money making, it is just much more easy to make lot of money there, and this will always be so, this is something I don't understand much as it is boring race most of the time nowadays. So looks like Rally has kept something more of the sport value around all commersialization.

Lets go little back in Group B days. At these days looks like the sport has its peak of interest and is understandable. The idea of Group B was exactly this - to attract more people's interest by giving freedom to manufacturers to create as much competitive cars as they can, and it worked for awhile. AUDI made marketing icon Quattro which lasts more than 30 years and appeared very successful technology not only for Rally, but also for track racing later as much as for everyday cars. Peugeot's 205 Turbo actally has saved the company back then from bancrut I think. May be the problem with Group B was that it attracted much more people than expected and this was out of control.

Nowadays rules for Rally cars are restricted and is much harder manufacturer to create a car which will be much faster than others, there came Loeb with his perfection and this made all the difference in competitivness. It is normal some people to lost interest when some man doesn't leave room for competition, so no much interest from media, sponsors, etc, etc. But I can't blame Loeb for that, he is just that good, and this is good thing - someone to try to beat him was a great challenge for other drivers. This is something which only the dedicated Rally fan can welcome and cheer, the masses can lose interest very quickly. They wan't to see different faces with different cars every year probably.

Last 10 years are difficult to evaluate. On one hand there is Loeb with his perfection, on other only 2 manufacturers were competicg most of the time. This is another thing people may loose interest for. They want to see more different cars competing, perhaps even some from same brand their everyday car is.

I think I talk too much :D . Now I'll need more than 1 beer :D

So this is my point of view if I understood the subject right. I personally will always love Rally, no matter what, so there is not much difference to me if it is soooooo much commersialized for the masses. The most money in Rally probably should be made by torism (I think this was discussed in another topic), but also must be more attractive for manufacturers in the first place. I'm glad to have this forum for following my favorite sport. :beer:

[Rallyper]

The problem is that manufacturers hasn´t understood the marketing value of winning in rallying.
Yes, Loeb won all the time. It became a problem which we couldn´t see during the days of Makinen, McRae, Sainz, Burns, etz, because then we had competition and media was interested.

Then FIA wanted to become the BIG moderator making new era of world rallying, and failed because of lack of good decisions. Only I think, people playing airguitars all of them.

Now the situation is that market decreases, VW as only factory investing BIG money and of course, as a result, winning all the time. Boring and we have a new era of Loebish kind.

And media, well, not more interested what I can see. What happens next? OK hopefully Huyndai comes in, but we could expect both Citoen and Ford out if things going worse...

The problems goes on...

But we are a few fans loving rallying, hopefully with a handfull of competent drivers even in the future, with or without of media, money etz. (Oh I´m thirsty now...)

[Plan9]

I would imagine at the time VAG could only be see benefit from one WRC program, the cordoba proved to be the weaker car and the plug was pulled, but I am only speculating. It was still another three years before Seat went into touring cars.

I would like to know how competitive Skoda could be now in the WRC if they could produce a WRC spec car, the Fabia S2000 would arguably make the best platform for one. And the experience they have gained over the last decade in various levels in the sport. Such a thing I would imagine to be unlikely though, but I do believe that VAG has no problem with inter-brand competition, perhaps why their unleashing Porsche on Le Mans...

Interesting, I would be keen to see a Fabia WRC again but of course I have no idea if it would actually happen. Given that the Fabia has gone well in IRC/ERC I would say it would be a very good WRC car.
I was wondering if VW will use the WRC as Audi did previously (i.e learn from it then move into circuit racing) VW has mastered Dakar and now stage rallying as well with the Polo and Skoda s2000 program. I am beginning to think that VW will be in WRC until it feels it no longer needs to dominate it, then go into F1 as a engine maker (pure speculation).

[Coach 2]

So this is my point of view if I understood the subject right. I personally will always love Rally, no matter what, so there is not much difference to me if it is soooooo much commersialized for the masses. The most money in Rally probably should be made by torism (I think this was discussed in another topic), but also must be more attractive for manufacturers in the first place. I'm glad to have this forum for following my favorite sport. :beer:

Yes, me too.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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Amazing what a high quality videos can do against wrc drivers!

[trickydicky]

The problem that WRC finds itself in is deep rooted and diverse, Loeb was a problem, but you can't blame him. The worst thing that can happen to any sport is knowing the outcome before an event has even started. This is what heppened with Loeb, but it was not his fault as such. He came across the sport at a time when competition was much reduced for a few reasons such as manufacturers pulling out, previous greats either retiring or, sadly leaving us, all at the same time, all the events becoming essentially the same, or very similar so that both he and his car could be perfected for all rallys (what I mean by this is if you drove in the era 1973 - 1995 your car was not going to be perfectly suited to events as diverse as Corsica, the Safari, and the RAC and so you would just have to settle for not winning some, or not even enter) and also local hero's/specialists in equal cars were both priced out and eventually restricted by stupid rules. In a nutshell Loeb could dominate because the conditions were perfect for domination! This reduced interest in the same way Schumachers domination of F1 made F1 less interesting. The rally's themselves have become less interesting and less of an 'event'. They are less interesting because they are shorter and too many are roughly similar. What I mean by less of an event is that between 1974 and about 2000 the WRC barely changed at all in its schedule, so people became familiar with it and the events became a big deal in the local area, drawing in fans, or spectators anyway, who otherwise weren't that bothered about motorsport but watched the rally as it was a spectacular event that passed through their local area. I bet most of the people who used to flock to the Cold du Turini at night didn't follow the rest of the championship, likewise anyone along the route of the Safari and a lot of people who watched the RAC, especially at the spectator stages. But they were there, and they were watching and it made it worthwhile for manufacturers to be involved. Dave Richards and a few other birks in the late 90's decided it was better to try and fit rallying around TV schedules and fancy service areas. And all this was lost, potentially forever. Now the 'Wales Rally GB' changed route and date like I change underwear, and the casual fan, even those in Wales, lose rack with what is going on, and lose interest. That goes without thinking about people who don't live in Wales. To them Rallying effectively has ceased to exist.
I also think it is a factor that the cars are so uninspiring. They may be spectacular in what they are actually doing, but the cars themselves (Fiesta's, DS3's, Fabia's, Polo's etc) are small granny cars that don't make the heart jump, or the imagination of a young boy run, like a Porsche, or a Subaru or a Delta or any Cosworth, an Alpine an M3, never mind a Stratos. The cars need to be bigger and be more exciting models. I still think the cars should be modified road cars. Its easier for fans to relate to that way.

[Donney]

Let it be known that I don't think Loeb was/is/will be a problem,I was just joking. Not about the beer though...

[sandokan]

Skoda is member of VW concern. VW decided go into WRC with VW Polo. Fabia is the same platform. VW doesn't want competitor from his own "garage". That's it. They are affraid of technical knowledges of czech engineers...

[sandokan]

Loeb is always big problem for his competitors.. :-)

[A FONDO]

Good start. Keep on posting :D

[Barreis]

Who owns Loeb's saxo s1600 now? That car is piece of history.

[Mitch555]

This is an interesting bit of trivia...

I had a very big crash in the Targa Tasmania rally a month ago (car was on of the first Evo 1 privateer cars in the world, practically written off).

The doctor who treated me at the hospital was none other than the Welsh doctor who treated Markko Martin in hospital after the Wales Rally GB 2005 crash.

[EightGear]

Goodmorning, last night I dreamed that Jean Todt was driving Peugeot's Pikes Peak 208 through our local supermarket. Then he crashed into a fridge and the car was lost so Loeb couldn't take part in Pikes Peak. :D

Anyone here who has had similiar idiotic dreams? :p

[stefanvv]

I have a dream to have a dream :D

[giedriusr]

I have a dream to have a dream :D
lol :D

[bt52b]

Dumbest tweet of the day
https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/342554915450785792

[A FONDO]

I hate cyclists

[EightGear]

I hate cyclists


Come to the Netherlands, you will see more bicycles than cars.

[noel157]

Dumbest tweet of the day
https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/342554915450785792

Considering what happened the last person to Tweet something similar Bex's judgement went down the pan even although I'm sure it was made in jest.

BBC News - Emma Way: Cyclist tweet 'my biggest mistake' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230)

#silly

[bt52b]

Considering what happened the last person to Tweet something similar Bex's judgement went down the pan even although I'm sure it was made in jest.

BBC News - Emma Way: Cyclist tweet 'my biggest mistake' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230)

#silly

Was on the same day the judgement was given for that lunatic that knocked down eight people in eight Cardiff

[Barreis]

Maybe it would be the best solution that R5 class replace WRC class. It's car for 160 000GBP and start lists would be much bigger. The only problem is that it should ruin Wilson's rent business so it's maybe SF at the moment.

[DonJippo]

Maybe it would be the best solution that R5 class replace WRC class. It's car for 160 000GBP and start lists would be much bigger. The only problem is that it should ruin Wilson's rent business so it's maybe SF at the moment.

M-Sport has already 18 orders for Fiesta R5 so don't think it will ruin anything...

[Barreis]

They'll sell the cars anyway as all the time. But rent-a-wrc is their main agenda I think.

[dimviii]

They'll sell the cars anyway as all the time. But rent-a-wrc is their main agenda I think.

and whats the problem not to rent as well?

[Barreis]

No problem at all. If the car is more expensive, the rent is higher. And R5 cars are cheaper. For the sport should be better if the topclass is (much) cheaper.

[dimviii]

they will not be cheaper if you want a ''top'' car.Malcolm knows this bussiness.I am waiting evo1 evo2 evo3 suspension kits from the first year already. :D

[Donney]

I like the R5 idea instead of the Wrc's in any case it cannot be any worse.

[mason riley]

I have a dream to have a dream :D

What is that dream? To be a driver?

[stefanvv]

What is that dream? To be a driver?

1 character

[OldF]

Not far to Finland… What made ‘Bosse’ special?

by Anthony Peacock / 28th July 2013
http://www.maxrally.com/cache/made/444994dcb7be3a15/Gronholm270713_666_430_80_imgmcklien-watermark-small.png_210_318_100_repeat_c1_center_center.jpeg




MAXRALLY - Not far to Finland (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/07/28/not-far-to-finland-what-made-bosse-special)

The 206 was replaced by the 307: a rally car that was based on a coupe cabriolet. Unsurprisingly it didn’t really work: in fact Marcus hated it so much that he actually talked about changing his hotel room on one occasion that he was allocated room number 307, on the grounds that the room would probably break…

That's Bosse. :D

[stefanvv]

That's Bosse. :D

I also remember quite arguing with Australian policman that he "can" drive the car on the road on 3 wheels :D

[OldF]

I remember it was in Wales (RAC?). I don’t remember the year. Marcus kept on saying he can drive the car but police said he can’t.

If I remeber correctly he was at time driving the Peugeot so it would have to been at the beginnig of 2000.

[stefanvv]

I remember it was in Wales (RAC?). I don’t remember the year. Marcus kept on saying he can drive the car but police said he can’t.

If I remeber correctly he was at time driving the Peugeot so it would have to been at the beginnig of 2000.

Perhaps, I'm not sure for the Rally, but it was quite interesting discussion :) Gronholm was even begging him to drive

[makinen_fan]

Marcus is a character!

It was Wales 2003 (go at 6:10):

http://youtu.be/_QsZhME3-uY?t=6m11s

[Plan9]

Robert Kubica is doing well in rally at the moment. Do you guys think he will go back to F1 or make something of world rallying?

iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00004697&10)

[stefanvv]

He repeatingly says he prefers to return to F1, I just don't get it. Rally is much more challengeing motorsport and he is doing quite well for a "rookie"

[Barreis]

So Sordo who finished 5th in Finland is replaced by Meeke who crashed out in the same rally?!

[Barreis]

Sordo is just 4 points behind Hirvonen with 3 tarmac rounds to go... Also Sordo must skip Australia and there is mud of Walles as last event of 2013. So who'll be infront in the end, Hirvonen or Sordo?!

[Mintexmemory]

Hirvonen will probably get a podium in Oz and GB, unfortunately I dont see Sordo managing that other than Catalunya - Hirvonen to finish at least 20 points ahead

[Barreis]

Unbelievable!?

[Mintexmemory]

Unbelievable!?

Unbelievable the Mikko will get his act together or unbelieveable that Dani will even get a podium in spain?

[Donney]

Most likely Hirvonen will be on top and Sordo on his way home.

[Barreis]

Well, Hirvonen should be first driver this season at citroen and he's only 4 points infront of his team mate after all gravel/snow events+MC (Sordo was never impressive in Finland)... Now it's tarmac coming so it could be interesting.

[gabryere]

hi, to you likes the rally italia sardinia? :)

[Mintexmemory]

hi, to you likes the rally italia sardinia? :)

Si si , I likes it molto bene - Now back to the issue of Mikko and Dani! At the assembly park before the Deutschland podium ceremony one Citroen crew were celebrating with fans and posing for endless photos and the other were sitting in their vehicle looking very pensive. Germany was Dani's last chance saloon and he grabbed it so well that it's possible that Australia is now Mikko's -especially as his new team mate is quick on gravel and has much to prove.
Happy to admit I was entirely wrong about Dani's chances. He was charming and gracious in victory and spent a great deal of time with the fans. - Good guy

[NxOxT]

Si si , I likes it molto bene - Now back to the issue of Mikko and Dani! At the assembly park before the Deutschland podium ceremony one Citroen crew were celebrating with fans and posing for endless photos and the other were sitting in their vehicle looking very pensive. Germany was Dani's last chance saloon and he grabbed it so well that it's possible that Australia is now Mikko's -especially as his new team mate is quick on gravel and has much to prove.

you seem to have a very interesting view on things concerning rallying.... Its like you are watching a totally different sport...

[Mintexmemory]

you seem to have a very interesting view on things concerning rallying.... Its like you are watching a totally different sport...

Same sport just a different mind set from you - don't try to understand the difference between us ,you clearly can't, rallying is not the Catholic church - no set orthodoxy. Enjoy it your way, I'll enjoy it in mine.

[stefanvv]

But it is some form of religion

[Mintexmemory]

But it is some form of religion

Bless you, brother.

[Donney]

I agree but I guess we all have our own rallying god.

[Mintexmemory]

I agree but I guess we all have our own rallying god.

Careful or I'll have to inform the Inquisition (which nobody expects!!)

[Donney]

Markku Alen, Ari Vatanen and Carlos Sainz, those are my rally gods...

Now, where are the shackles and the rack? :p

[Mintexmemory]

Please don't use the thumbscrews because I have an icon of the blessed Roger Clark under my hair shirt and a tyre valve cap from Toivenen's Sunbeam in my wallet. May Hannu and Bjorn protect us

[Donney]

Yeah Hannu and Juha are deities indeed!!!! Bjorn is just a saint for me... ;)

[Plan9]

Walter, Stig, Juha and Didier are my gods.

[mohit]

hello all

you forgot petter solberg he has over 40000 followers on twitter

[Rallyper]

Walter, Stig, Juha and Didier are my gods.

Don´t forget they are only humans. There´s only one God.

[Franky]

there´s only one god.

powerrrr!

[OldF]

hello all

you forgot petter solberg he has over 40000 followers on twitter

You can buy followers in Twitter. One journalist wrote an article about that and it was published in a newspaper last Saturday. The journalist created a test account and started to buy followers.

Few examples:



5000 fake followers for 15 €. OK [/*:m:92zlu8wz]
One service promised to deliver 10 000 followers who are real people for 35 € and a delivery time of 72 h. They delivered “only” 7 000 but the journalist said they are “quality followers”, real people. [/*:m:92zlu8wz]

I don’t say it’s the case with Petter’s account or some other well-known personalities. In the article a comedian had told to The New York Times that he had bought 220 000 followers to get more gigs.

I got curious and made few fake checks with @DaniSordo's Audit | Twitter Audit | Audit your Twitter followers. (http://www.twitteraudit.com/danisordo), Status People Fake Follower Check (http://fakers.statuspeople.com/Fakers/Scores) and a follower growth with Dani Sordo Twitter Statistics - Twitter Counter (http://twittercounter.com/DaniSordo)

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Twitter_zps35dcb411.jpg

The follower growth for all except Seb Loeb and Dani Sordo is quite linear for the three last months. To see more you have to pay for it.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/SebastianLoebStatistics_zpsf37517d0.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/DaniSordoStatistics_zpsb14ba3eb.jpg

[dimviii]

Loebs twitter is fake.Is another person,not Loeb.

[Barreis]

Never wrote 'sick dogs' here, but they are talking about leading citroen man in the championship...
Dani Sordo gets Citroen nod for Rally of France after Germany win - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109650)

[OldF]

Users browsing this forum: Brother John, Google Adsense , [b]janvanvurpa, OldF and 2 guests

Is it really you? If that’s the case welcome back janvanvurpa. :)

Fan!

[Mark]

Never wrote 'sick dogs' here, but they are talking about leading citroen man in the championship...
Dani Sordo gets Citroen nod for Rally of France after Germany win - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109650)

Yes he's unbanned. Everyone deserves a chance.

[dimviii]

like!

[Rallyper]

like

Have missed Janvanvurpa for long time now. :)

[janvanvurpa]

Users browsing this forum: Brother John, Google Adsense , [b]janvanvurpa, OldF and 2 guests

Is it really you? If that’s the case welcome back janvanvurpa. :)

Fan!

Jooooo visst it's me but what you swearing about för fan!
Och fan ta mig if I have any idea why I was banned for life and fan ta mig i stjärten if i know why I'm allowed back.
Nobody tells me anything...utterly clueless...but then again many say that's nothing new.
I was able the whole time to read what was going on, we have means for that, but I guess its good to be back, I did miss the insights from you guys who actually have a clue what rally is...

Sent a PM to Mirek but don't know if he got it, I had been reading about all the guys breaking their lower spines since mandatory HANS was introduced and read all the "keyboard hero" arguments, thought it might be interesting to hear details of the investigation he mentioned...

[dimviii]

welcome Jan :D

[Brother John]

Nice to see that more people log in again on this thread. ;)

[ThomasS]

[/quote] Sent a PM to Mirek but don't know if he got it, I had been reading about all the guys breaking their lower spines since mandatory HANS was introduced and read all the "keyboard hero" arguments, thought it might be interesting to hear details of the investigation he mentioned...[/quote]

Well I could be accused as being a "keyboard hero" since giving up rallying in NZ with battered mini clubman in 1986 but I doubt anybody here has a PHD in musculoskeletal injuries related to HANS use in rallying.

You would like to see this report ,( Has Mirek actually read it ? , is it even published yet ? ) because you hope it will confirm all of your predetermined and unproven assumptions on the matter.

Mind you I'd be curious to see it also, so I'd invite Mirek to put up it so we can all see its contents like the FIA apparently has ( I doubt he'll read this however).

Its easy to commission reports to say whatever you want it to say if you pay for it. If its a proper study , impartial and peer reviewed I couldn't see how the FIA could diminish it. But for the moment any assumptions about HANS related injuries is tenuous and speculative and could just as well be attributed to a whole host of other factors such has misuse.

[Barreis]

True.
http://plus.autosport.com/premium/featu ... t-dilemma/ (http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/5595/wrc-cashtalent-dilemma/)

[dimviii]

Julien Ingrassia about notes.Unfortunately at French
http://www.redbull.com/fr/fr/motorsport ... de-rallyes (http://www.redbull.com/fr/fr/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331614246343/video-ingrassia-ogier-champion-monde-rallyes)

[Barreis]

Cry me a river...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110695

[A FONDO]

I remember somebody here, I think Mintex who asked for Ogier's offer from M-sport

In an interview with Sport365, Quesnel said: “Ogier came to me before the start of Rally Bulgaria in 2010 with a contract for 2011 in his hands [from Ford]. At first I thought the problem was money but soon I discovered that it wasn’t money that interested him; instead he wanted to make sure that he started next season on equal terms with Loeb, and not as a number two.”

Quesnel stated there would be no number one or number two driver at the team’s 2011 launch in Paris but, according to Quesnel, the problem between his two drivers arose when Loeb believed his supremacy was under threat.

“They got to a certain point in the 2011 season with five wins apiece,” he added. “At that point Loeb thought things were getting out of hand, from a sporting point of view, so he turned it from a sporting contest into a political contest. He made it known that he was talking with Volkswagen and played his hand well. The problem was that the bosses from Citroen gave in and allowed themselves to be manipulated, giving Loeb what he wanted. But the biggest damage was that Loeb asked for Ogier to be taken away. That wish was granted, and from then on, it didn’t make sense for me to stay in my job.”


Time passes by and the influence of meaningless numbers constantly fades; more and more facts will apear even for the blindest and deafest

[dimviii]

[b]In an interview with Sport365, Quesnel said: “Ogier came to me before the start of Rally Bulgaria in 2010 with a contract for 2011 in his hands [from Ford].


Time passes by and the influence of meaningless numbers constantly fades; more and more facts will apear even for the blindest and deafest

yeap it is clear that Ogier after Bulgaria 2010 with 100 points against Loeb with 151,with his first overall win just at previous rally(Portugal) and 4th position at end of the year with 167 points against 276 to Loeb,blackmailed Citroen with Ford contract to be No1 against a 6 year continious champion.
For sure facts will appear,even for the blindest and deafest. ;)

http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2010&nat=

i can understant your pain,but we will sort it out.Dont worry,and trust me.

[stefanvv]

[b]In an interview with Sport365, Quesnel said: “Ogier came to me before the start of Rally Bulgaria in 2010 with a contract for 2011 in his hands [from Ford].


Time passes by and the influence of meaningless numbers constantly fades; more and more facts will apear even for the blindest and deafest

yeap it is clear that Ogier after Bulgaria 2010 with 100 points against Loeb with 151,with his first overall win just at previous rally(Portugal) and 4th position at end of the year with 167 points against 276 to Loeb,blackmailed Citroen with Ford contract to be No1 against a 6 year continious champion.
I don't know if this is true, but why not? Two French drivers in Citroen fighting for the championship.... eventually....

[dimviii]

I don't know if this is true, but why not? Two French drivers in Citroen fighting for the championship.... eventually....
lololol

[stefanvv]

I don't know if this is true, but why not? Two French drivers in Citroen fighting for the championship.... eventually....
lololol
What's that funny, almost happened 2011 :D

[dimviii]

I don't know if this is true, but why not? Two French drivers in Citroen fighting for the championship.... eventually....
lololol
What's that funny, almost happened 2011 :D

what happened? Mikkelsen with 0 wins wanted to have equal status with Ogier? Capito said ok?

your pain seems to be worster from Slowsons.

[A FONDO]

worster from Slowson's.

http://972mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg

[stefanvv]

what happened? Mikkelsen with 0 wins wanted to have equal status with Ogier? Capito said ok?
Two French drivers in Citroen fighting for the championship.... eventually....

your pain seems to be worster from Slowsons.
Don't worry, there is no pain with or without Loeb. Just some unexplained emptiness.

[dimviii]

worster from Slowson's.

http://972mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg

dont try to drive the discussion about my bad English.Thats not an English grammar phorum.
Lets discuss about your fail with the interview that you didn t understand what it prooves.

How is your pain?

[dimviii]

Don't worry, there is no pain with or without Loeb. Just some unexplained emptiness.

no pain? you have the same symptoms as Slowson who suffers...

[stefanvv]

Don't worry, there is no pain with or without Loeb. Just some unexplained emptiness.

no pain? you have the same symptoms as Slowson who suffers...
Nope, I actually enjoyed Loebs performances at Monte & Pikes Peak this year. If this is pain, fine by me :D

[molloy81]

For anyone attending the spanish rally please make sure you check out a little family run restaurant/bar named the dubliner. Its next to the main roundabout in salou and does amazing offers on food and drink. Also shows all rally highlights and has live music on nightly. Spread the word!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

10yrs ago today 2001 Champions Richard Burns and Robert Reid finished their last WRC event together... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXfxKxoIEAAu31z.jpg:large

[dimviii]

today is Daniel Helena birthday.

Happy birthday Daniel!

[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 2284_n.jpg (https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1454719_632513820139091_755952284_n.jpg)

[makinen_fan]

https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1454719_632513820139091_755952284_n.jpg

come on, be honest. it's the blonde that draw your attention first! at least that's was the case for me and then noticed Jari-Matti :p

[dimviii]

Jari-Matti? where is he? :p

[BleAivano]

Happy birthday Björn Waldegård! 70 years old today.

[Mintexmemory]

Happy birthday Björn Waldegård! 70 years old today.
+1 Can't believe it's 36 years since I watched him in the dark at Boltby on the 77 RAC - Great guy.

[OldF]

Jari-Matti? where is he? :p

Maybe this is the answer to your question.

http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/12/latv ... f-rally-gb (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/12/latvala-takes-to-the-ice-ahead-of-rally-gb)

“The Finn was in Wolfsburg – home of his employer Volkswagen – last weekend to watch VfL Wolfsburg claim a shock 2-1 win over Borussia Dortmund in a German Bundesliga match before he headed to the town’s ice hockey stadium to show off his Polo R WRC and his talents with an ice hockey stick.”

[Mintexmemory]

Jari-Matti? where is he? :p

Maybe this is the answer to your question.

http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/12/latv ... f-rally-gb (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/12/latvala-takes-to-the-ice-ahead-of-rally-gb)

“The Finn was in Wolfsburg – home of his employer Volkswagen – last weekend to watch VfL Wolfsburg claim a shock 2-1 win over Borussia Dortmund in a German Bundesliga match before he headed to the town’s ice hockey stadium to show off his Polo R WRC and his talents with an ice hockey stick.”
Hope I'm around in 36 year's time to bore people about JML's great WRGB hat trick run :)

[karim007]

This post is better than others because of useful and meaningful posts, great!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

What kind of mobilephone I have to buy when I want listen WRC Live rallyradio? Android platform? Windows Phone (Nokia Lumia) does not work.

[miniwintz]

To this date there is no user friendly solution to listen to WRC live on a smartphone, which is quite a shame to be honest.

With an Android phone, you can try and open the url of the web streaming in a media player, but only if you succeeded extracting it out of the source code of the web page on wrc.com. Moreover when it works it is pretty jerky because it is not really supposed to be played that way.

If the Android phone in question supports Flash, I think just opening the wrc.com site works, but it can lead to strange behavior when you lock the phone because you don't know how the web browser reacts when the phone is on stand by.

I have read some rumours that for next season, the promoter will come up with brand new apps for mobile phones, so I hope the problem of live radio on mobile will be sorted out then.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Thanks!

Let´s hope that we get proper WRC apps for mobile phones. Nokia WRC app was pretty good.

[BleAivano]

Today its 8 years since the passing of Richard Burns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQdAwuZXAWc

[Rallyper]

Yeah, we all miss him. I met him personally several times. A brilliant pleasant young man and a fantastic WRC-driver.

[makinen_fan]

I can't believe it's already 8 years. He was a brilliant guy

[Mintexmemory]

Really is weird that I was reading the 1998 Rally Year over the weekend (95p from a charity shop in Kent). Seeing the pictures of the first year of Burn's WRC ascendancy is really poignant when you know he only had 7 years ahead of him. Very sad I never saw him in the flesh.

[Rallyper]

It was in 1997 I believe and RB drove a Mitsu in Rally GB. On one stage he beat Colin with over a minute. Both drivers had no error. Why he did that? It was very foggy night stage and RB´s pacenotes was so detailed he could drive like a blind and still make a very fast time.

[makinen_fan]

Probably one of the best onboard in WRC history, a fitting tribute to Richard Burns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtCYoBx ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtCYoBxp6Y&feature=youtu.be)

[N.O.T]

Probably one of the best onboard in WRC history, a fitting tribute to Richard Burns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtCYoBx ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtCYoBxp6Y&feature=youtu.be)

until 7:40 yes...then he slowed down...

[Rallyper]

Petter Solberg is said to have crashed slighly with his PR Mitsu Gr N car in on a stage nearby his home on an event today. The passenger was having a slight back injury and was sent to hospital. It´s not confirmed Petter was the driver.
The car had some damage to the front according to Per Espen Löchen spokesman of the Solberg team.

[Brother John]

I never give up my opinions from som threads. :p

[dimviii]

Actually 71 cars! ;)

1:0 for You :smokin:

2 beers for Tolis.

[tolis]

Actually 71 cars! ;)

1:0 for You :smokin:

2 beers for Tolis.
I prefer Becherovka! :bounce:

[Mirek]

Sorry for off topic but I can't understand why everybody from abroad I know likes Becherovka. I don't like it at all :D

But tolis, if I go to Greece one day I can bring it to You. Usually I carry it to Ypres as well :D

[kober]

Sorry for off topic but I can't understand why everybody from abroad I know likes Becherovka.
Well, it's a great liquor. Both as a digestif (straight) or as a long drink mixed with schweppes tonic. I'm a big fan :)

[litifeta]

Angostura for me as far as bitters go. Although I do par-take in the odd Jager bomb. Just to support Red Bull.

[Rallying UK]

WRC 2013 QUIZ: Here it is - the WRC 2013 quiz! How much do you remember of the last year in WRC?

There are no prizes - just a very smug feeling if you get them all correct - good luck! :D

Hurry - the quiz closes on Christmas Eve!

http://rallyinguk.polldaddy.com/s/the-wrc-2013-quiz

[Rallyper]

Off topic of course, but for me: Appleton Estate Rum with Coca Cola is absolute best, except from a Staroprahmen if I´m really thirsty... (Mirek ;) )

[Rallyper]

WRC 2013 QUIZ: Here it is - the WRC 2013 quiz! How much do you remember of the last year in WRC?

There are no prizes - just a very smug feeling if you get them all correct - good luck! :D

Hurry - the quiz closes on Christmas Eve!

http://rallyinguk.polldaddy.com/s/the-wrc-2013-quiz

91% only failed on Prokop´s best place in 2013... :cool:

[stefanvv]

WRC 2013 QUIZ: Here it is - the WRC 2013 quiz! How much do you remember of the last year in WRC?

There are no prizes - just a very smug feeling if you get them all correct - good luck! :D

Hurry - the quiz closes on Christmas Eve!

http://rallyinguk.polldaddy.com/s/the-wrc-2013-quiz
SS5, Labatie d'Andaure - Lalouvesc 1 VW Polo R WRC won it’s first WRC stage win

Really?

[Mintexmemory]

Off topic of course, but for me: Appleton Estate Rum with Coca Cola is absolute best, except from a Staroprahmen if I´m really thirsty... (Mirek ;) )
Coke in a sipping rum! Sacrilege! That's why they make Lamb's and Captain Morgan. As a West Indian friend once told me, (imagine the accent) "only ting ya puts in a sippin rum i' another measure, man"

[Rallyper]

Off topic of course, but for me: Appleton Estate Rum with Coca Cola is absolute best, except from a Staroprahmen if I´m really thirsty... (Mirek ;) )
Coke in a sipping rum! Sacrilege! That's why they make Lamb's and Captain Morgan. As a West Indian friend once told me, (imagine the accent) "only ting ya puts in a sippin rum i' another measure, man"

Have you tried Coke mixed with Scotch Whiskey? It works too... :D (I think we´ll have to change to "Bar" thread...)

[Mintexmemory]

WRC 2013 QUIZ: Here it is - the WRC 2013 quiz! How much do you remember of the last year in WRC?

There are no prizes - just a very smug feeling if you get them all correct - good luck! :D

Hurry - the quiz closes on Christmas Eve!

http://rallyinguk.polldaddy.com/s/the-wrc-2013-quiz
SS5, Labatie d'Andaure - Lalouvesc 1 VW Polo R WRC won it’s first WRC stage win

Really?

Well spotted / remembered. Ogier won the very first stage of the 2013 MC!

[stefanvv]

WRC 2013 QUIZ: Here it is - the WRC 2013 quiz! How much do you remember of the last year in WRC?

There are no prizes - just a very smug feeling if you get them all correct - good luck! :D

Hurry - the quiz closes on Christmas Eve!

http://rallyinguk.polldaddy.com/s/the-wrc-2013-quiz
SS5, Labatie d'Andaure - Lalouvesc 1 VW Polo R WRC won it’s first WRC stage win

Really?

Well spotted / remembered. Ogier won the very first stage of the 2013 MC!
How can not remember something like very first stage and stage win. Moreover Loeb was still fresh competing :D

[Mirek]

Off topic of course, but for me: Appleton Estate Rum with Coca Cola is absolute best, except from a Staroprahmen if I´m really thirsty... (Mirek ;) )

If I would be really very very thirsty I would drink Staropramen too but only in a risk of dehydration :D

I think I have very different taste than You guys. I don't like Becherovka, I don't like Staropramen and I prefer pure whiskey (or rum) from mixed with Coke :D

PS I asked Pluto to move this off-topic to bar talk. Thanks for understanding.

[Mintexmemory]

Off topic of course, but for me: Appleton Estate Rum with Coca Cola is absolute best, except from a Staroprahmen if I´m really thirsty... (Mirek ;) )

If I would be really very very thirsty I would drink Staropramen too but only in a risk of dehydration :D

I think I have very different taste than You guys. I don't like Becherovka, I don't like Staropramen and I prefer pure whiskey (or rum) from mixed with Coke :D

PS I asked Pluto to move this off-topic to bar talk. Thanks for understanding.

Absolutely fine - this is certainly bar talk!!
Mixing coke with superior rums or single malts is a filthy degenerate action that I'd expect of americans. They developed the habit to hide the fact that the majority of bourbons are not a 'smooth' drink. A sipping rum can, in very hot weather, have some fresh lime juice squeezed in but a whisky should only ever have a little spring water added and never ice!
My favourite pils / lager -type beer is Peroni but I have very wide tastes in beer depending on the occasion.
Yesterday we decanted the sloe gin we've been maturing for 3 months - first tasting after dinner on Christmas day. :lips:

[Rallyper]

Seems we have different views on the subject, however I could well have pure Captain Morgan Black, no problem at all. :lips:
And beerwise I´m a bit towards my finnish friends with Duplapukki 8,5 as a special favourite. :beer:

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Great beer and speakers from Iisalmi. By the way it´s TUPLAPUKKI :beer:

[dimviii]

ouzo power!

[EightGear]

ouzo power!

I managed to get about 20 free Ouzos on Crete last summer.:-D

[Rallyper]

So boys, what does coming days look like for you? Any expectations for next WRC-year?

[stefanvv]

So boys, what does coming days look like for you? Any expectations for next WRC-year?
Whiskey, wine, beer, and Bulgarian brendy these days :D Some fireworks on new year's eve. Next year VW will dominate, I expect the best of the rest to be Ford, but not because are so good, but others will fail.

[Mintexmemory]

My good lady and I are halfway through a good bottle of champagne so my 2014 WRC expectations (maybe a dedicated thread?) Might be wildly speculative!
JML to be closer to Ogier in terms of performance but Ogier taking the title. Kris Meeke will be the big surprise and the closest VW challenger. Hyundai not to perform well until the summer tarmac rounds.
M-Sport to do worse than last year but Kubica and Evans to také podiums at some time

[Rallying UK]

WRC IN 2013: Piston Heads editor, Dan Trent today described WRC as one of the "biggest disappointments" of 2013.

Do you agree?: http://rallyinguk.tumblr.com/post/71636925911/piston-heads-wrc-one-of-the-biggest-disappointments

[N.O.T]

WRC IN 2013: Piston Heads editor, Dan Trent today described WRC as one of the "biggest disappointments" of 2013.

Do you agree?: http://rallyinguk.tumblr.com/post/71636925911/piston-heads-wrc-one-of-the-biggest-disappointments

i really hope motorsportforums gets a lot of money from you because you are just a useless nuisance... nothing you post from your useless blog/website is either original or contributes anything.

[Rallyper]

Well, there´s a point in what he says. Let´s hope there´ll be some more competition next year. Having said that the opposite would be a catastrofy... :dozey:

[Rallying UK]

[quote="Rallying UK":oupyos6t]WRC IN 2013: Piston Heads editor, Dan Trent today described WRC as one of the "biggest disappointments" of 2013.

Do you agree?: http://rallyinguk.tumblr.com/post/71636925911/piston-heads-wrc-one-of-the-biggest-disappointments

i really hope motorsportforums gets a lot of money from you because you are just a useless nuisance... nothing you post from your useless blog/website is either original or contributes anything.[/quote:oupyos6t]

N.O.T - you must be one of those people who gives forums such a awful name by abusing other members anonymously. Your tone is completely unnecessary and hardly worthy of a response, so I think I'll waste no more time on you.

[Rallyper]

N.O.T. is not anonymous for most of us... I´ve nearly seen him once in Greece... :cool:

[Prisoner Monkeys]

That's true. I was sure I saw him swimming in a lake in Scotland once, but it was just the Loch Ness Monster.

[Mihai]

There used to be a street named after NOT, but it was changed because nobody crosses NOT and lives.

[Allyc85]

So what happened to the new WRC.com website and app they were talking about for this season? Any chance of it still happening?

[N.O.T]

Just noticed that after 18 days of competition and 5.400 kms, in Dakar, and with 1 stage remaining petterhansel snatched the lead and he leads Roma by just 26 seconds going into the final stage of 157 KMs...

What a finish that will be !!!!!!!!

[Rallyper]

A swedish lady named Ewy Rosqvist won this happening 53 yrs ago in a Mercedes. Well, not quite the same, but at that time it was very well the same effort winning in Argentina. Just so you notice...

[nafpaktos]

Since monte carlo is now home event for ogier do you think there is any possibility for rally france to get back to corsica?loeb is not competing anymore, so the rally can be moved from alsace where it was sebastians home to corsica,what do you think?i dont know of course rally cosrsica obligations to erc(long term contract?).

[PLuto]

Anybody that know any details on dimensional differences on 208 and ds3?
Axlewith and length
Other diffenences.

Have anybody tested both and written about it? Is the Ds3 smaller and more nervous?
Does cars suit different drivers, or will be the same what you choose for most gravel and most tarmac use?

I guess axle width is irrelevant as they will conform to the same regulations, but the 208 has a longer wheelbase than the DS3.

Mirek will give you a proper answer no doubt but I would think the difference will be minimal given that they will run the same engine, transmission and suspension(?).

Mirek will not give a proper answer as he was banned... :mad:

[RS]

Mirek will not give a proper answer as he was banned... :mad:

Banned?

What for? He was one of the "premium" members on this forum.

[EightGear]

Mirek banned?

:crazy:

[PLuto]

Mirek will not give a proper answer as he was banned... :mad:

Banned?

What for? He was one of the "premium" members on this forum.

It was without warning or without any notice to him. When I was asking directly the person who has banned him, I got this answer: "Mirek Writes too much crap on the forum. If you do not wish as a rallyfan that drivers disappear during an accident from the rally.
Many responses to members do not belong here."

[RS]

Mirek will not give a proper answer as he was banned... :mad:

Banned?

What for? He was one of the "premium" members on this forum.

It was without warning or without any notice to him. When I was asking directly the person who has banned him, I got this answer: "Mirek Writes too much crap on the forum. If you do not wish as a rallyfan that drivers disappear during an accident from the rally.
Many responses to members do not belong here."

Wrong place for this discussion really but has someone hacked in and made themselves a moderator?

[EightGear]

It's better now if I don't speak out loud what I'm really thinking....

[PLuto]

Banned?

What for? He was one of the "premium" members on this forum.

It was without warning or without any notice to him. When I was asking directly the person who has banned him, I got this answer: "Mirek Writes too much crap on the forum. If you do not wish as a rallyfan that drivers disappear during an accident from the rally.
Many responses to members do not belong here."

Wrong place for this discussion really but has someone hacked in and made themselves a moderator?

No, it is regular moderator. And I absolutely dont agree with his decision and system how he has made it (without warning or any info to him). And I also dont think that this is reason for banning.

[EightGear]

I guess we all have a feeling about who that could have been!

[dimviii]

It's better now if I don't speak out loud what I'm really thinking....

+1
i think that mod banned him he has to explain the reason.
If he dont do it i dlike Mark to explain the reason.

[PLuto]

Ok, this chat is now out of topic as Mirek was unbanned by Mark. Despite it I still dont agree with the explanation and style of this banning.

I think that should be all for this conversation and I will move last few posts about banning to different thread.

[dimviii]

thanks Pluto ;)

[N.O.T]

the moderating team of rally forum are just incompetent... when i was banned (and there were far better reasons than mirek) i also did not get any information why... useless... LOL

[A FONDO]

So, not banned for particular reason, but one gloomy day somebody with power decided to get rid of him? Pathetic.
"Too much compalins from users" is pure demagogy. If somebody is really annoying for many people, there should be voting in a poll to do/don't ban him.
Personally I do not want anybody here get the BANana, as the ignore function is flawless.

[Rallyper]

Mirek banned? :mad: :mad:

He´s one out of few that has relevant information and also get theoretical answers when such topics are up.

Mirek is one of the guys on the forum whom you´d be able to have a serious discussion with.

[Mirek]

Thank You guys for Your support but please take it as closed thing. No need to discuss it more.

[N.O.T]

you naughty boy Mirek ... welcome to the club... LOOOOOOL

[mousti]

They should get that mod on off duty, Mirek is probably one of the most beloved forummember on the rallying section :p

[janvanvurpa]

It's better now if I don't speak out loud what I'm really thinking....

+1
i think that mod banned him he has to explain the reason.
If he dont do it i dlike Mark to explain the reason.


As a recipient of a sudden no explanation no apology "Lifetime Insta-ban"----thank you Pino-----I agree.

And a couple of years later, suddenly, no explanation of apology---un-banned.

Some you old hands may have noticed a drastically lowered level of participation...Never know what might trigger what---and POOF! Gone.


Something is severely wrong how mods seemingy can do no wrong--and no answers ever given.
Something is rotten in the state of Danmark ---WS Shakespeare...

[Mintexmemory]

Just to reply to Janvan - I was made a mod for the purposes of administering the WRC Pickem, but I have on occasion had cause to request behaviour change from certain members. When I have made a mistake (in my own behaviour) I have admitted it and made a public apology (unless you are the Pope no one is perfect!). I would count it a major failing to end up banning someone and certainly can't imagine why certain actions were taken. On the other hand there are certain members who enjoy dishing it out but don't like it back, they should grow up. The major problem with any forum exchange, particularly if both participants are using english as a non-native speaker, is you cannot absolutely take the tone and nuance of what is being written and some people mis-interpret what they read on the screen. Clearly Mark (who is very balanced in his view of bannings and complaints) realised an error of judgement had arisen and corrected it. Nothing is wrong in Denmark, stop picking on the Danes!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Does anyone know will iPhone5s IOS 7 play WRC radio?!

[Barreis]

No more results from previous seasons on wrc.com :P

[Rallyper]

What to say about the poor PICKEM situation? Is the guys doing the job to busy or does other circumstances obstruct?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Okay, I try again. Is there any NEW mobile phone where WRC radio works well?

[Mintexmemory]

What to say about the poor PICKEM situation? Is the guys doing the job to busy or does other circumstances obstruct?

Yep, Mark hasn't been able to re-establish the Pickem programme fully and has been otherwise engaged since Christmas hence my running the MC Pickem as a manual entry to be retro loaded, as and when the programme is up and running again.

I've been at MC for a week, back for 3 days when the inconvenient fact of work needed attending, then off to Lanzerote for a week of R&R including a full break from the internet!
Swedish Rally Pickem to be run as the MC was.

[Rallyper]

No one to blame. You prob needed a brake.

[Mintexmemory]

No one to blame. You prob needed a brake.

Very True :)

[OldF]

ouzo power!

A long, long time ago the big boys told that if girls / women drink ouzo they become horny. :D

@Dimviii, can you confirm if it’s worth to try?

[dimviii]

ouzo power!

A long, long time ago the big boys told that if girls / women drink ouzo they become horny. :D

@Dimviii, can you confirm if it’s worth to try?

only NOT can help you at ouzo.

[Mintexmemory]

Funny that, in 1970s UK it was Pernod and Blackcurrant! Vive l'armoise!

[stefanvv]

ouzo power!

A long, long time ago the big boys told that if girls / women drink ouzo they become horny. :D

@Dimviii, can you confirm if it’s worth to try?
Basically the same as Ouzo - Mastika - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-6IIzznkg. I think it's safe to try :D but don't give any garantee :D

[OldF]

Funny that, in 1970s UK it was Pernod and Blackcurrant! Vive l'armoise!

Now that you mentioned it, I remember Pernod. Isn’t it almost same as ouzo?



Basically the same as Ouzo - Mastika - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-6IIzznkg. I think it's safe to try :D but don't give any garantee :D

Well, sometimes it doesn’t matter what you use. :D

[stefanvv]

Basically the same as Ouzo - Mastika - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-6IIzznkg. I think it's safe to try :D but don't give any garantee :D

Well, sometimes it doesn’t matter what you use. :D
Hmm, I'm not sure about that, I think lot of beer has negative effect in that respect :D , but that applies to lot of anything too :D

[Mirek]

I apologize to Mark to start with this again but I don't want to just let it be.

On 16th January I was banned without any written reason. On 19th January after I was unbanned by Mark I sent a message to Brother John who banned me to ask him why he did it. Today it is 2nd February. I have never received any answer. Since I know what he wrote to some other moderators (but never to me) I decided to make my message public.

I also would like to ask Brother John to leave his moderator function as he is not acting how a moderator is supposed to do.


Hello,
I understand You have a personal problem with the way I write. I also hate to read stuff from some members so I put them on my ignore list. We are adult men, You can always tell me personally what You don't like. How can I know that You consider my posts crappy when You have never told me that?

Why didn't You bother to write at least one sentence as a reason? I was working as a moderator of some forums for several years and never ever any moderator banned anyone without giving him a reason. That is highly unprofessional and such person would by immediately fired.

I'm sorry to tell You that but I will not change my style. You know there is a lot of crap on the forum. That is true but for some reason some crap is normally tolerated - such as bashing or spitting on people who can not defend themselves on the forum - drivers, team managers etc. On the other hand when I tell the person that he wrote crap I'm punished. That's nothing but hypocrisy. I stand my attitude that wishing a driver to crash is crap which shall not be tolerated and I'm ready to defend that publicly if You like.

I hope you enjoyed Your triumph.


Miroslav Fric

The text is non-edited copy of my personal message to Brother John.

[Rallyper]

Mirek. On your side. We´ve seen some unstabile quotes from BJ before. He´s not wanted as moderator.

[stefanvv]

I also don't think the events developed logically and moral. I read the posts which caused these problems (probably), and I have to say I'm stunned that the person which posted some "weird" wishes got the way with it (also read some vulgar posts on some other thread which left unpunished), but the person which tried to explain him on human language how wrong this is in point of view of a Rally fan, was banned. Hmm, strange.

[dimviii]

BJ has to explain Mireks ban.
when i informed about the ban,i searched all the posts to find out the reason.I couldn t find any.

[makinen_fan]

I am with Mirek on this 110%. I have read all his recent posts and there is no decent reason for the ban.
Thank god Mirek didnt turn his back to the forum after this.

[sollitt]

Agree. Admonishing a poster who writes wishing a competitor to crash is not justification for a ban. In fact they should be congratulated.
Failing to advise a reason for the ban is nonsense.

[N.O.T]

Brother john just confirmed the Abraham Lincolns quote "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

at first he sounded like a good choice but he really blew it... he was all over the place with wrong decisions at first... but to ban Mirek one of the few people that actually contribute stuff was just plain wrong and stupid. de-mod him now i say.

by the way i still have not found out why or who banned me... but you all treat me like a fleabag dog in here so ok... i forgive you....maybe.