Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Mirek]

its argentina... not much different than animals.

Reported

[N.O.T]

Small correction: that's not Argentina, that was in Paraguay.

even worse...

[N.O.T]

Reported


I did not mean to offend the animals... sorry.

[seb_sh]

it's unfortunate the ignore function does not apply to quotes in other user's posts. seems someone has had a bad day and spawned 3 trash posts in a row!

[steve.mandzij]

its argentina... not much different than animals.Why are you so miserable? I'd like to help.

[danon]

I'd like to see the unmuted version of that WRC+ video compilation - https://plus.wrc.com/assets/img/wrcplus-website_small3.mp4

[Rally Power]

EVs in motorsport sucks and they're far from being a solution to global Co2 pollution. Some leaders at the industry are finaly starting to be brave: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/carlos-tavares-electric-cars-could-be-more-problematic-people-think

Just hope there's still time to stop the public and political hysterical race to kill the internal combustion engine...

[AnttiL]

A good day to remember Henri Toivonen by watching this rare documentary Vauhdin Surma (The Kill of Speed) from 1987. I have written English subtitles over the long Finnish interviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roy8n3MCORU

[Rally Power]

The brave and outspoken Mr. Rohrl on EVs: they’re a disaster! Formula E cars sound like golf carts…

Interview here: www.motoring.com.au/walter-rohrl-slams-electric-cars-112254/

[N.O.T]

The brave and outspoken Mr. Rohrl on EVs: they’re a disaster! Formula E cars sound like golf carts…

Interview here: www.motoring.com.au/walter-rohrl-slams-electric-cars-112254/

Electric cars is the future...they might not be the future in 10-20 years but they might be in 50-60 years. fossil fuels will run out long before before the sun goes red giant on us... so comments like that do not really help.

but we have to find a balance between forcing electric cars into motorsport because we are relatively close to that point or forcing it because of vegan tree hugging pussies that use macbooks.

I think motorsports will die when we reach the point that we have to use them due to being our only option.

[Watson]

Electric cars is the future...they might not be the future in 10-20 years but they might be in 50-60 years. fossil fuels will run out long before before the sun goes red giant on us... so comments like that do not really help.

but we have to find a balance between forcing electric cars into motorsport because we are relatively close to that point or forcing it because of vegan tree hugging pussies that use macbooks.

I think motorsports will die when we reach the point that we have to use them due to being our only option.

Agreed again. See, we can have a civil discussion.

My look on it is: Push electric cars for people who don't care about cars and racing so there is more left for those of us who do.

Save emissions and the planet in day to day life and pedal to the metal for our entertainment.

Trouble is of course that with no corporate interest the funds for WRC, F1, WEC and so forth might run dry very quickly.

If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. Go figure.

[Tarmop]

First there will be a generation or two running on biofuels probably. Fossil fuel is already quite absent in top level motorsport, 10% ethanol is already std. in 95 oct. .

[dupanton]

I don't believe in electrical cars. Certainly here in Belgian, there is not enough green electricity to supply all cars. Over the full life span, I don't think you gain much on CO2 emission. I rather believe in other solutions like hydrogen (although you also need electricity to make it).

[AnttiL]

I don't believe in electrical cars. Certainly here in Belgian, there is not enough green electricity to supply all cars. Over the full life span, I don't think you gain much on CO2 emission. I rather believe in other solutions like hydrogen (although you also need electricity to make it).

Even if you used a diesel generator to charge an electric car, it would still consume less energy than a diesel car. https://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-ev-charged-with-diesel-generator-still-cleaner-than-conventional-car-61942/

[dupanton]

Even if you used a diesel generator to charge an electric car, it would still consume less energy than a diesel car. https://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-ev-charged-with-diesel-generator-still-cleaner-than-conventional-car-61942/

Yes, but there is also the production and recycling of the batteries...

[Mirek]

Even if you used a diesel generator to charge an electric car, it would still consume less energy than a diesel car. https://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-ev-charged-with-diesel-generator-still-cleaner-than-conventional-car-61942/

Does really anybody see the result of the test as a good one for the EV? The spent energy difference in same driving profile is marginal while the EV car costs three times more, has much shorter range and requires long time spent on recharging. I don't see any advantage here. Also the talk about weight is quite crap in the article because of the simple fact that EV is heavy because it is EV and therefore it's perfectly natural that it's way heavier than similar combustion engine powered car.

PS The diesel generator used in the test likely hasn't feature any anti-pollution features such as catalyzer, particle filter or AD blue injection. With them the efficiency of the generator would be likely worse.

PSS What Dupanton said. The batteries have to be included. Their production is anything but environment friendly and it doesn't help that they are produced somewhere in Asia where it's not visible.

Anyway EV is good for pollution in cities. For sure. But for energy efficiency and user comfort not yet.

[Franky]

EV is great for advertising. No one sees where the real polluting happens. It's like living in a bubble.

Also some time ago read quite a long article quoting PSA's CEO Tavares that pretty much said that the current push for EVs is not natural and no one seems to think about the possible aftermath (batteries).

Having done two +20000km road trips in Eurasia, I don't see how EV can be a viable option for anything than European urban commuting. At least currently. I'd have a hard think before entering Mongolia or Central Asia with an EV.

[Rally Power]

My look on it is: Push electric cars for people who don't care about cars and racing so there is more left for those of us who do.
Save emissions and the planet in day to day life and pedal to the metal for our entertainment.

The push for EVs is not about protecting the environment; is about keeping a slice of the gigantic Chinese car market; most western manus engaged themselves into the EVs race only after China decided to make EVs a priority.

For China, EVs massive production is a never ending wining situation: it reduces their dependency on foreign oil and allows them to use their raw materials reserves to became a worldwide leader in batteries production; as EVs are a new technology, they don’t need to import western knowhow like in the ICE era, they’ll be (they are already) at the front since day one; additionally they’ll be able to turn down their cities ridiculous levels of air pollution.

There’s only one catch (for them and the whole world): with massive reserves of cheap coal available, China electricity production based in clean sources will always be low, meaning the global CO2 emissions will inevitably grow with the increase of their coal based electricity production...
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22001356

With this overall negative eco-balance and the implications of having China leading another vital sector, western countries must get smart and find alternatives; while Japanese keep their research on hydrogen (a different EV tech), Germany manus are wisely investing on a B plan that allows keeping the use of ICEs: synthetic fuels.
http://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/carbon-neutral-cars-synthetic-fuels-turn-co2-into-a-raw-material-120448.html

Btw, those who think that it’ll be fine to switch motorsport from ICE tech to EV tech are totally wrong: if EVs become dominant as primal share of new vehicles, left wing short seeing politicians won’t rest till they get rid of the current circulating park; it’d take time, but the sectors using ICE cars as a recreation or sport would be the first to suffer; you don’t need to be a genius to understand that motorsport would be confined to autodromes and all sort of public road disciplines (including Rally) banned.

That’s why each and every remark of Mr. Rohrl deserves our applause.

[Rallyper]

Electric beer, someone? Let´s talk about carburetors from WEBER or something. :)

[EstWRC]

Well, we can have the same reference with beer, alcoholic and non-alcoholic beer.

I don’t understand the people who drink non-alcoholic beer.

[Mirek]

I don’t understand the people who drink non-alcoholic beer.

Hehe, actually I do... at work for the lunch. We do not have anything alcoholic at work and it's still better than drinking Coca Cola.

[dimviii]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes-throwback-thursday/throwback-thursday-1982-lancia-stratos-still-fastest-rally

[NickRally]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes-throwback-thursday/throwback-thursday-1982-lancia-stratos-still-fastest-rally

Excellent, thanks dimviii.

[Zeakiwi]

Franky there are ev's (100 percent) that have been some fairly remote places by being covered with pv panels to power them. Just have to wait till the cloud cover disperses sometimes.

EvS in the future are likely to be different from the Tesla. leaf, ioniq etc that are around today.
e.g Quant nanoflow cell - redox battery car swiss etc

quant nanocell ev - clamed 300km/h topspeed
https://youtu.be/gHgYYLTV43o

Redox flow battery
https://youtu.be/AagO07cHRG8
The current technology can have problems with the membrane plugging up and 'growths' which can disrupt and ruin the membrane etc.

Could work in an electric rally car - swap depleted electrolytes a and b for new charged electrolytes at service point. (probably could be made faster than battery swaps and recharges etc)

China and parts of the US nuke industry are working on next generation reactors - with hopefully safer nuke chemistry/ physics. China is building lots of new nuke power stations presently.
This meeting this week is likely to be part of setting the asian nuke power agenda in the coming years. Even the Philippines is looking to see how they can use the Bataan power plant.
ais nuke business platform shanghai 9-10th May 2018
http://www.nuclearbusiness-platform.com/asia/site_visit/

[Franky]

Franky there are ev's (100 percent) that have been some fairly remote places by being covered with pv panels to power them. Just have to wait till the cloud cover disperses sometimes.

I know that there are even races for solar powered vehicles. But I mean long term travelling that's not "We need to wait one more day", incase the gathered charge is not enough.

I'm not against vehicles fuelled by alternative energies but at the moment EVs are still at infancy when you look at it on a global scale.

Also another question would be the second hand market of EVs - how long will they be good for. When driving through Central Asia I saw quite many cars with Lithuanian stickers and obviously those cars were originally in Germany. So old cars bought in Germany were on their third cycle (Germany -> Lithuania -> Kyrgyzstan in this case)

[Zeakiwi]

Kyrgyzstan sounds quite advanced compared to Myanmar where they have ox and carts at night on the roads.
The NZ chap who does some Rally and overland tours, in 2017 did the following route - obviously it had to be a diesel one.
Diesel
Bangkok to Magadan (Thailand - Myanmar- Thailand - Laos - China- Mongolia - Russian Far East)
https://nzsuv.co.nz/article/ultimate-overlander

China - ldv are doing suvs in petrol, diesel , ( and electric and hybrid in the plans) the 'stan' countries are likely to get Chinese used vehicles in the years ahead.

Toyota in Brazil are just starting on the hybrid flex fuel - fossil and biofuels and electrics - developing countries likely to have some vehicles like this.
https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/corporate/21633112.html (Hybrid flex fuel Brazil)

For more advanced places the battery pack swap is likely for those going far or in a hurry or forget to charge etc.
https://youtu.be/G9WXExbF0GI (Battery swap - skoda in 30 seconds but might need better under-guard shielding in real world use.

Early adoptees of evs usually risk takers and problem solvers by netwrking to discuss problems and collectively report and solve the issues.
https://flipthefleet.org/discussion/ (Nissan leaf loss of recharge range in 30 Kw/h etc.

Used Toyota Mirai are not going to be a lot of use in places with no hydrogen supply network.

[Mirek]

Škoda Motorsport released an article about Richard Burns Rally moding: https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/richard-burns-rally-players-become-developers-legends-rally-gaming/

Nothing new for most of you but it's a nice recognition of the fan work from a works team.

[BigWorm]

Škoda Motorsport released an article about Richard Burns Rally moding: https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/richard-burns-rally-players-become-developers-legends-rally-gaming/

Nothing new for most of you but it's a nice recognition of the fan work from a works team.

The community of RBR is fantastic, so much effort and dedication has been put in the game from modders. Nice to see Skoda praising them, they deserve it.

[dimviii]

tmg looking for personel
https://www.toyota-motorsport.com/en/careers/jobs/job-offers

[dimviii]

lol
https://youtu.be/y4Mqr1qNyWw

[EstWRC]

Lol:d:d:d

someone has a lot of free time in his hands :p

[gorganl2000]

lol
https://youtu.be/y4Mqr1qNyWw

that's funny as hell dimviii
lol

[NickRally]

Chaps and chapesses, I wanted to share something that I have been working on for some time – Lanica Rally 037 is one of my all-time favourite completion cars (you might have noticed a 037 theme to my avatar) and ever since it ended its rally career I have been asking myself how would a potential successor look like - 30 years on I have a design that I am happy with and would like to share here. Will it ever be built? Don’t know, I’ve never been any good at finding the budgets required to do engineering projects of that magnitude, while doing it at kit car level (no disrespect to this field by the way) is not something I currently intend to do. Either way, the project was/is a great fun and anything further from now one is a bonus.

More here: www.rally037.com

https://www.rally037.com/img_9_2.jpg

[Rally Power]

Chaps and chapesses, I wanted to share something that I have been working on for some time – Lanica Rally 037 is one of my all-time favourite completion cars (you might have noticed a 037 theme to my avatar) and ever since it ended its rally career I have been asking myself how would a potential successor look like - 30 years on I have a design that I am happy with and would like to share here. Will it ever be built? Don’t know, I’ve never been any good at finding the budgets required to do engineering projects of that magnitude, while doing it at kit car level (no disrespect to this field by the way) is not something I currently intend to do. Either way, the project was/is a great fun and anything further from now one is a bonus.

More here: www.rally037.com

www.rally037.com/img_9.2.jpg

Nice project NickRally. It’d be brilliant to see a modern 037 hitting the road, just like Michael Stoschek and MAT are managing to do with the New Stratos (http://www.manifatturaautomobilitorino.it/new-stratos-limited-run/). You should present your project to them or to Key Sport guys, probably the current major authority on Lancia rally cars rebuild (http://www.keysport.it/). Good luck mate!

[NickRally]

Hi Rally Power, thanks for the encouragement, it is well received.
Talking about MAT, they are a great place to do such projects, although finding the budget is still up to me :). I actually met with them at the Geneva Motorshow in March and we had a good chat where they confirmed that small projects like the ones mentioned are right up their street.
Thanks for the other link, I will have a good look there.

[AnttiL]

Why are WRC promoting Portugal with old San Remo (and 1000 Lakes) footage?
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/995659774011281408

[N.O.T]

Why are WRC promoting Portugal with old San Remo (and 1000 Lakes) footage?
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/995659774011281408

because the average lobotomised wrc fan who considers rally radio to be decent and pays for wrc+ has no clue....

[KiwiWRCfan]

I need a drink, I spoke to 2017 Aussie Rally Champion Nathan Quinn about competing in NZ Rally champs and who he thinks will win in Rally Portugal. Somehow Aliens came into the conversation. Actually maybe I need a double. Check out the podcast here.
Includes some interesting comments about the adventure of rallying https://soundcloud.com/user-945815116/nathan-quinn-podcast

[electroliquid]

Hi, guys! Maybe anyone have Opel Kadett E homologation book for N group (A group also would be good too)? And maybe could share it? :)

[dimviii]

Neuville reveals fitness secrets

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/may-2018/neuville-fitness/page/5440--12-12-.html

[TWRC]

Hi, guys! Maybe anyone have Opel Kadett E homologation book for N group (A group also would be good too)? And maybe could share it? :)
Try historicdb.fia.com, I'm sure they have the homologation forms there. ;)

[kiil]

Hi, guys! Maybe anyone have Opel Kadett E homologation book for N group (A group also would be good too)? And maybe could share it? :)

Here you go:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x83zek6smgj26ut/Kadett.zip?dl=0

[electroliquid]

Here you go:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x83zek6smgj26ut/Kadett.zip?dl=0

Thanks ;)

[electroliquid]

Try historicdb.fia.com, I'm sure they have the homologation forms there. ;)

Thanks, I will ;)

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdUlHPrW0AA4d9P.jpg

So, Toyota drivers eat as fast as they drive?

[dimviii]

Tanak seems ate faster.

[pantealex]

Tanak seems ate faster.

and JML has full plate ;)

[dimviii]

Safari stories
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/wrcs-maddest-event-east-africas-safari-rally

[the sniper]

Safari stories
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/wrcs-maddest-event-east-africas-safari-rally

Auto Car have had some good rally related articles recently. Been good to see. Shame they don't encourage more engagement in the current scene though.

[AndyRAC]

AutoCar have had some good rally related articles recently. Been good to see. Shame they don't encourage more engagement in the current scene though.

The current scene is a hard sell for UK car websites/ magazines, which might surprise people on here. Put an article about Gp B or 70's era rallying, and you'll get quite a lot of comments/ interest. Don't ask me why it's like that - it just is....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The current scene is a hard sell for UK car websites/ magazines, which might surprise people on here. Put an article about Gp B or 70's era rallying, and you'll get quite a lot of comments/ interest. Don't ask me why it's like that - it just is....

It's seen as a golden era by many and that the age group is where the majority of rally fans are now.

The McRae/Burns era fans are also there, but the lack of real British success at WRC level for so long isnt bringing in so many new fans.

[L555MAT]

It's seen as a golden era by many and that the age group is where the majority of rally fans are now.

The McRae/Burns era fans are also there, but the lack of real British success at WRC level for so long isnt bringing in so many new fans.

Yep ask any none rally fan to name a driver n I bet Mcrae would still be the most common answer

[janvanvurpa]

Hi, guys! Maybe anyone have Opel Kadett E homologation book for N group (A group also would be good too)? And maybe could share it? :)

I used to have a full set..Not great copies but I'm way over here in Fortress America™ and with this orange thing as President, I don't know if we can mail things to you because you guys used to be dirty Commies...

But as a big fan of the car--and especially the XE 16v :love:engine I am curious why you want them..
Building a rally car?

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.cc/fnw7os6uf/sebogiertocitroen.jpg

[ESTR]

That doesn't mean anything. If they were the real team with real goals they would sign him before M-Sport came and offered him a nice package. He is not that stupid. M-Sport have limited test days available because of budget. Citroenrab doesn't even have testing days. No upgrades at all. No payment for driving. But have huge pressure of axing drivers for crashing their bouncing/undriveable cars.

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.cc/u03nh0xtz/km3.jpg

[danon]

Friendship - Meeke - Sordo... PLAY ->https://www.facebook.com/worldfanrally/videos/1908658509424605/

[Mirek]

Nice little feature with Jan Kopecky, wasn't quite sure where to put it but as a former ERC Champion and R5 driver I thought here was appropriate: https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/people/my-life-my-car-id-never-go-to-a-car-wash/

He had the same first car as me (Felicia 1.6)

I think that this might be a good bar talk theme... How did it start? What was the first self propelled vehicle You drove? :cool:

Mine was an East German harvester Fortschritt E512 and I was like 5 years old sitting on my uncle's lap :p

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.cc/omxt62q2v/meeke_crash_data.jpg

[Rally Hokkaido]

Not to be confused with the Fast & Furious-type junk movie with the same title released last year, 'Over Drive' is a Japanese-made drama about two brothers,(and the compulsory love interest girl!), one a driver the other his mechanic, competing in a domestic rally series with the ultimate aim of joining the WRC. No doubt, inspired (and maybe financed) by Toyota, it features quite a lot of stage action. Anyway, I am going to the premiere in Obihiro City tomorrow, so can post a critic of it here over the weekend. BTW, I can't recall any recent movies with a rally theme......was there a Jackie Chan one or was that more racing? http://overdrive-movie.jp/about/introduction.html

[skarderud]

I think that this might be a good bar talk theme... How did it start? What was the first self propelled vehicle You drove? :cool:

Mine was an East German harvester Fortschritt E512 and I was like 5 years old sitting on my uncle's lap :pA '85 Volvo 245 sitting at my Grandfathers lap, maybe 8 yrs old? I had that car for several yrs when my oldest kid was born:)

Sent fra min SM-G950F via Tapatalk

[AnttiL]

Probably a kids' snow mobile in Lappland. I was 4,5 years old. I remember my dad tried to make it start and I noticed the power switch is "off" although it should be on "run".

[Zeakiwi]

[QUOTE=NickRally;1181066]Chaps and chapesses, I wanted to share something that I have been working on for some time – Lanica Rally 037 is one of my all-time favourite completion cars (you might have noticed a 037 theme to my avatar) and ever since it ended its rally career I have been asking myself how would a potential successor look like - 30 years on I have a design that I am happy with and would like to share here. Will it ever be built? Don’t know, I’ve never been any good at finding the budgets required to do engineering projects of that magnitude, while doing it at kit car level (no disrespect to this field by the way) is not something I currently intend to do. Either way, the project was/is a great fun and anything further from now one is a bonus.

More here: www.rally037.com


Lancia Delta Integrale - update limited edition

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lancia-delta-integrale-coming-back-as-limited-edition-model-125995.html

[Rallyper]

I was only seven and the year was 1961, when my father let me steer our familys´Ford Taunus 17m, sitting in his knee, on the very small approach to our summer cottage. A few years later maybe 13 I was allowed to drive Opel Rekord 1900 -66 on narrow gravel road while my parents was beside in the forest looking for chanterelles.
When I was fifteen I had my first real slide also been allowed to drive on small road while my father walking beside. Opel Rekord 1900 -68. Very lucky moments.

Many Opels since that I´ve driven...

[dimviii]

When I was fifteen I had my first real slide.

at 13 i almost tottaled my fathers Lada 2101.At summer cottage,my mom was sleeping,took the keys she had hidden into a tree(lol) outside the house,and push the car some 200 meters,to dont listen the engine.
At 10 minutes,i came back by foot.
Lada had fallen into a olive tree.

[AL14]

at 13 i almost tottaled my fathers Lada 2101.At summer cottage,my mom was sleeping,took the keys she had hidden into a tree(lol) outside the house,and push the car some 200 meters,to dont listen the engine.
At 10 minutes,i came back by foot.
Lada had fallen into a olive tree.

lolol :D

Now keep telling, what happened to you when you mom found out? :D

[dimviii]

lolol :D

Now keep telling, what happened to you when you mom found out? :D

i woke up her and told her.So simple.You cant imagine how was looking at me,and what was shouting to me.
The difficult part was my father.
My father was mechanic at comercial ships,and was on ship,he wasnt with us at vacations.
I told my mother to dont tell my father that i ve done the carnage,but she.
I had believed that my mother hadnt tell the truth to my father.
All that when suddenly after some years my father told me that he knew it from when happened.
Maybe my worst day in my life.

[danon]

Diorama WRC Rally Mexico 2017 K.Meeke - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.393057577865189.1073741848.306744716496476&type=1&l=cba726e4ad
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33960606_393052651199015_8320480670405099520_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=6ceaeba35a2b1cca5d060501d3409999&oe=5BBDE265

[spiderem]

for me it was a Jeep Willys from WWII, probably aged 8-10 :)
Have to say it is probably one of the greatest "car" you can learn driving with. doesn't go too fast but enough to appreciate the speed, 3 gears + 1 reverse, and very simple mechanic...

[Rallyper]

i woke up her and told her.So simple.You cant imagine how was looking at me,and what was shouting to me.
The difficult part was my father.
My father was mechanic at comercial ships,and was on ship,he wasnt with us at vacations.
I told my mother to dont tell my father that i ve done the carnage,but she.
I had believed that my mother hadnt tell the truth to my father.
All that when suddenly after some years my father told me that he knew it from when happened.
Maybe my worst day in my life.

And after that you only driven 4WD Mitsus? :) :)

[dimviii]

And after that you only driven 4WD Mitsus? :) :)

after that was an ex rally 2105,a renault5 gt turbo,peugeot 306 6speed,and after that the Mitsubishi evo viii
none of them had close relations with olive trees.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Not to be confused with the Fast & Furious-type junk movie with the same title released last year, 'Over Drive' is a Japanese-made drama about two brothers,(and the compulsory love interest girl!), one a driver the other his mechanic, competing in a domestic rally series with the ultimate aim of joining the WRC. No doubt, inspired (and maybe financed) by Toyota, it features quite a lot of stage action. Anyway, I am going to the premiere in Obihiro City tomorrow, so can post a critic of it here over the weekend. BTW, I can't recall any recent movies with a rally theme......was there a Jackie Chan one or was that more racing? http://overdrive-movie.jp/about/introduction.html

Well, I thought it was a very good movie with some of the key scenes borrowed from the WRC. Also, a lot of effort was made to portray authentic Service Park action (the movie mechanics were trained by well-known APRC/WRC mechanic Miede-san) . The hero's car is an actual Toyota S2000 car imported from South Africa for the movie, though fitted with turbo engine in SP scenes. Also, you will note in this behind the scenes video that it changes from left hand drive to right hand drive (movie magic!). His rival's car is a modified normal car, C3. The movie credits list Nutahara (ex-PWRC) and Katsuta (National Champion) as stunt drivers as well as Mark de Jong ( advisor from WRC Promoter) Some lol moments for me were the 'Tokyo -Odaiba Rally' special stage on the Tokyo Expressway and the 'Hokkaido Ohotsk Rally' where the hero crashes after the Fafe SS jump (some clever CG work, there!). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1r379kG7YA

[NickRally]

[QUOTE=NickRally;1181066]Chaps and chapesses, I wanted to share something that I have been working on for some time – Lanica Rally 037 is one of my all-time favourite completion cars (you might have noticed a 037 theme to my avatar) and ever since it ended its rally career I have been asking myself how would a potential successor look like - 30 years on I have a design that I am happy with and would like to share here. Will it ever be built? Don’t know, I’ve never been any good at finding the budgets required to do engineering projects of that magnitude, while doing it at kit car level (no disrespect to this field by the way) is not something I currently intend to do. Either way, the project was/is a great fun and anything further from now one is a bonus.

More here: www.rally037.com


Lancia Delta Integrale - update limited edition

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Thank you.

As they point out, it is a Singer type of project, i.e. slightly different to what I am trying to achieve, but the Integrale is up there on my list of favorite competition cars and I wish them best of luck, hope they manage to do what they are aiming for.

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[A FONDO]

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[Rallyper]

Interesting to see that Rally Finland topic has more viewers than the coming Rally Sardegna topic. And still 50 days before NRF:

[AnttiL]

Interesting to see that Rally Finland topic has more viewers than the coming Rally Sardegna topic. And still 50 days before NRF:

I have noticed the same with my blog posts. A blog post about the history of Ruuhimäki got the same amount of views in hours as Sardegna, Portugal or Argentina previews got in a number of weeks.

[sonnybobiche]

Having watched the full 3 days of Sardinia and then watched the F1 race in Montreal, I think at this point WRC is clearly a more entertaining form of motorsport. Sorry if this is a spoiler for anyone, but over the entire two hours of the Montreal race, there was only one change of position in the top seven. Daniel Ricciardo went from 6th to 4th. And I think that overtake happened through pitstops, not on the track, although honestly I can't even remember. Sebastian Vettel started P1 and led every lap of the race from start to finish.

Why is F1 considered the pinnacle of motorsport again? I mean, I see the appeal for the autistic-spectrum types who love Formula E and look forward to the forthcoming driverless RoboRace series, but why would any normal person prefer F1 to WRC anymore? We went through a really awful period of Loeb/Citroen and then Ogier/VW dominance for a while there, but I think the situation really changed in 2017. We now have a better series in terms of the racing, if not the coverage of that racing (although All Live is improving every rally IMO).

So is it just a matter of time before motorsport fans come over to WRC? Does the promoter have to do more to market the series? Or do most people just not have the patience to follow a rally for 3 days? I think it's the marketing, but that's just me.

[N.O.T]

Having watched the full 3 days of Sardinia and then watched the F1 race in Montreal, I think at this point WRC is clearly a more entertaining form of motorsport. Sorry if this is a spoiler for anyone, but over the entire two hours of the Montreal race, there was only one change of position in the top seven. Daniel Ricciardo went from 6th to 4th. And I think that overtake happened through pitstops, not on the track, although honestly I can't even remember. Sebastian Vettel started P1 and led every lap of the race from start to finish.

Why is F1 considered the pinnacle of motorsport again? I mean, I see the appeal for the autistic-spectrum types who love Formula E and look forward to the forthcoming driverless RoboRace series, but why would any normal person prefer F1 to WRC anymore? We went through a really awful period of Loeb/Citroen and then Ogier/VW dominance for a while there, but I think the situation really changed in 2017. We now have a better series in terms of the racing, if not the coverage of that racing (although All Live is improving every rally IMO).

So is it just a matter of time before motorsport fans come over to WRC? Does the promoter have to do more to market the series? Or do most people just not have the patience to follow a rally for 3 days? I think it's the marketing, but that's just me.

can you please keep that f1 talk for when you meet with your girlfriends at tea time ???

Nobody cares in here what a bunch of women and feminized men fans in team hats think or bother with...

damn kid... get your life sorted !!!!!!

[AndyRAC]

So is it just a matter of time before motorsport fans come over to WRC? Does the promoter have to do more to market the series? Or do most people just not have the patience to follow a rally for 3 days? I think it's the marketing, but that's just me.

No!! How many motorsport fans are aware (or interested) of the WRC?
The Promoter still has to do miles more - and it has to be FREE coverage. All LIVE is good and getting better, but it's for the die hards. We had an absolutely barnstormer of a finish yesterday - it SHOULD have been the main motorsport story from the weekend. But guess what - it's all about the snoozefest in Canada.

[Rallyper]

can you please keep that f1 talk for when you meet with your girlfriends at tea time ???

Nobody cares in here what a bunch of women and feminized men fans in team hats think or bother with...

damn kid... get your life sorted !!!!!!

You shouldn´t flare up like that.

I got what he meant. Probably did you too. No harm in that state.

[the sniper]

No!! How many motorsport fans are aware (or interested) of the WRC?
The Promoter still has to do miles more - and it has to be FREE coverage. All LIVE is good and getting better, but it's for the die hards. We had an absolutely barnstormer of a finish yesterday - it SHOULD have been the main motorsport story from the weekend. But guess what - it's all about the snoozefest in Canada.

It'd be interesting to know, at least roughly, how many paid subscribers All Live actually has. It's great and getting better, with a long way to go, but look alone at how many of the hardcore here don't/won't actually pay for it. I can't imagine the subscriber numbers are that big and I'd be amazed if the income from that covers the cost of producing it, so surely the promoter and manufacturers should consider the benefits of just providing it for free and distributing it more widely, rather than just on the own website. You could still keep WRC+ as a paid element with maps and the on board/TV/All Live video archive.

[N.O.T]

You shouldn´t flare up like that.

I got what he meant. Probably did you too. No harm in that state.

trust me if you let the brits taken over by their autism they will turn this forum into an F1 discussion... they are pathetic.

you have to strike them down early... they are bottom feeders when it comes to Motorsport... they only care about F1.

[stefanvv]

It'd be interesting to know, at least roughly, how many paid subscribers All Live actually has. It's great and getting better, with a long way to go, but look alone at how many of the hardcore here don't/won't actually pay for it. I can't imagine the subscriber numbers are that big and I'd be amazed if the income from that covers the cost of producing it, so surely the promoter and manufacturers should consider the benefits of just providing it for free and distributing it more widely, rather than just on the own website. You could still keep WRC+ as a paid element with maps and the on board/TV/All Live video archive.

They don't give promocodes anymore, so I would guess they did they job advertizing the service and the subscribers has increased. But it's only assumption. I personally had year subscription and I'm happy with it.

[journeyman racer]

Why is F1 considered the pinnacle of motorsport again?
If nothing else, the cars will always be faster/better than everything else. It's a designated class to be the best.




but why would any normal person prefer F1 to WRC anymore?
F1 is a staple motorsport series, and transcends the boundary of hardened motorsport fans.



So is it just a matter of time before motorsport fans come over to WRC? Does the promoter have to do more to market the series? Or do most people just not have the patience to follow a rally for 3 days? I think it's the marketing, but that's just me.

The vast majority are not going to choose WRC over F1. Relative to F1, it's less practical to follow, less historical and cultural significance. A promoter may improve the state of rallies and the series overall. But as far as taking over the popularity of F1, it'll merely be the equivalent a a hamster in a wheel.

Going back to the first question. The good news is that F1 is not the pinnacle of motorsport, it's the pinnacle of car racing, and one of two pinnacles of 4 wheel motorsport. There's two core "motorsports", tarmac track and off-road. Tarmac track is supposed to replicate driving on public roads, and everything falls in line under F1.

WRC is not held on a tarmac track, and is the pinnacle of off-road motorsport. It's not better or worse than F1, but a different discipline. It's equal as a premier motorsport competition.

Idk how everyone else will react to this, but that's how I see it. I take my views of motorsport pretty seriously as a fan. I look forward to any derision of my opinion. :)

[NickRally]

If nothing else, the cars will always be faster/better than everything else. It's a designated class to be the best.



F1 is a staple motorsport series, and transcends the boundary of hardened motorsport fans.



The vast majority are not going to choose WRC over F1. Relative to F1, it's less practical to follow, less historical and cultural significance. A promoter may improve the state of rallies and the series overall. But as far as taking over the popularity of F1, it'll merely be the equivalent a a hamster in a wheel.

Going back to the first question. The good news is that F1 is not the pinnacle of motorsport, it's the pinnacle of car racing, and one of two pinnacles of 4 wheel motorsport. There's two core "motorsports", tarmac track and off-road. Tarmac track is supposed to replicate driving on public roads, and everything falls in line under F1.

WRC is not held on a tarmac track, and is the pinnacle of off-road motorsport. It's not better or worse than F1, but a different discipline. It's equal as a premier motorsport competition.

Idk how everyone else will react to this, but that's how I see it. I take my views of motorsport pretty seriously as a fan. I look forward to any derision of my opinion. :)

Journeyman racer, if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you? The reason I am asking is that you were probably not there in 1986 – WRC displaced F1 from the so called pinnacle of motorsport, I know as I was there. It didn’t last long, but only because F1 had Mr Ecclestone, who is the real reason F1 today is what it is. If he fancied WRC, or any other form of motorsport for that matter, then that is what would have been the “pinnacle” today.

I know people will jump saying the 1986 story couldn’t have and didn’t last long due to the fatalities, so change was needed – that is correct, but not the way the WRC was dealt with, i.e. banning the cars that made it great. When in the 1960’s, the fatalities in F1 were coming every other week, they didn’t ban the cars and turned to “production” models, they improved the safety of the cars that made F1 special. It could have happened in WRC, but there was no one to defend its corner.

[AnttiL]

would any normal person prefer F1 to WRC anymore?

Its format suits casual spectating better. If you go on location, just go to the circuit and spend the afternoon there, you're home for the evening. If you choose to watch it on TV, just tune in on a Sunday afternoon, it takes only a couple of hours to see the podium. Meanwhile, rallying takes more effort. You need to follow three days of competitive action and go to the woods and switch stages to see the cars more than once. For the casual spectator the power stage might be enough, but it could be boring when usually the positions are already decided. In this sense, F1 is closer to big sports like soccer or ice hockey. Better for casual spectating.

But I might be the wrong person to answer, I hardly follow any other sports than rallying.

[sonnybobiche]

But take a sport like baseball, for example, which consists of 3hr+ games played each day between the same two teams in a best-of-three series, or in the postseason when it's best-of-five or even best-of-seven games. Tens of millions of people watch the MLB World Series every year, and that can easily go to a full 7 games, each game at least 3 hours, so you're talking 21+ hours of baseball in a week or two in order to determine an overall winner.

Now, granted, there's more of a sense of finality to each game as it ends that same day, but it's the series results that count. Anyway, all I'm saying is that if people are willing to watch 3 hours of baseball every day for 3 days, and then do it again the next week, and again, and again, for months and months, it can't be the case that people simply don't have attention spans anymore.

Whenever the "intelligent" people who are in charge of motorsports lament that kids these days with their ipods and internet just don't have the attention span to watch a long race, I think they're making excuses for their stupid boring series that they regulated to death. If attention spans were the problem, wouldn't rallycross be the most popular form of motorsport ever? Who watches rallycross?

[AndyRAC]

Whenever the "intelligent" people who are in charge of motorsports lament that kids these days with their ipods and internet just don't have the attention span to watch a long race, I think they're making excuses for their stupid boring series that they regulated to death. If attention spans were the problem, wouldn't rallycross be the most popular form of motorsport ever? Who watches rallycross?

You make a good point. The series bosses, (and I especially mean the WRC) try and justify their decisions, yet the evidence doesn't necessarily support it.

This weekend sees probably the biggest motorsport event of the whole year; and it's not 2 hours, nor 3, 4, 5 or 6 hours. It's twice round the clock = 24 Hours. Similarly, last month saw another massive 24 Hour race at the Nurburgring; next month sees another one at Spa. We also have extremely popular 12 Hour races at Sebring, Bathurst, etc Even the Dakar, which is 2 weeks long is pretty popular.

I'd argue that the WRC doesn't have one stand-out event; and could do with maybe 1 or 2 such events, i;e make the Monte a proper 'Event', different from the other WRC events; for example, say run it from Tuesday - Friday night.

[sollitt]

... The reason I am asking is that you were probably not there in 1986 – WRC displaced F1 from the so called pinnacle of motorsport ... WRC has never displaced F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport. Not in 1986 with Group B. Not in 1995 with Colin McRae. Never. And it never will.

[sonnybobiche]

You make a good point. The series bosses, (and I especially mean the WRC) try and justify their decisions, yet the evidence doesn't necessarily support it.

This weekend sees probably the biggest motorsport event of the whole year; and it's not 2 hours, nor 3, 4, 5 or 6 hours. It's twice round the clock = 24 Hours. Similarly, last month saw another massive 24 Hour race at the Nurburgring; next month sees another one at Spa. We also have extremely popular 12 Hour races at Sebring, Bathurst, etc Even the Dakar, which is 2 weeks long is pretty popular.

I'd argue that the WRC doesn't have one stand-out event; and could do with maybe 1 or 2 such events, i;e make the Monte a proper 'Event', different from the other WRC events; for example, say run it from Tuesday - Friday night.

My impression (because I wasn't following it then) was that this used to be Safari.

[AnttiL]

My impression (because I wasn't following it then) was that this used to be Safari.

No, quite contrary to that, Safari was more of a specialist event with not even all teams and drivers taking part, instead using specialist drivers who would not then do the rest of the rounds at all (like Waldegård in 1990 or Ian Duncan). Maybe the car manufacturers felt like it was an important event to show off for car endurance, but us fans were more interested in fights for seconds (we didn't do timing in tenths back then).

I would say Monte and RAC, maybe also 1000 Lakes and Portugal had a special status already in the 80's 90's which made up a good entry list and good media coverage. And I think those events have still held up their status, despite name changes and route shrinks.

Meanwhile, I never really found appreciation for the 24h track races or rally raids in my young days when I followed motorsports more vastly, but again, maybe that's just me.

[AnttiL]

But take a sport like baseball, for example, which consists of 3hr+ games played each day between the same two teams in a best-of-three series, or in the postseason when it's best-of-five or even best-of-seven games. Tens of millions of people watch the MLB World Series every year, and that can easily go to a full 7 games, each game at least 3 hours, so you're talking 21+ hours of baseball in a week or two in order to determine an overall winner.

Now, granted, there's more of a sense of finality to each game as it ends that same day, but it's the series results that count. Anyway, all I'm saying is that if people are willing to watch 3 hours of baseball every day for 3 days, and then do it again the next week, and again, and again, for months and months, it can't be the case that people simply don't have attention spans anymore.

It's not a familiar concept to me, but I know the ice hockey and soccer playoffs and final games are the most popular sport events around here, and people love the tension that builds up during the tournament and every match could end their favourite team's tournament, kind of like a rally driver could end their rally on any stage. But still, that's only a couple of hours of intense following in a day. Watching a soccer game equals time wise to watching two stages of All Live coverage.

[AnttiL]

I'd argue that the WRC doesn't have one stand-out event; and could do with maybe 1 or 2 such events, i;e make the Monte a proper 'Event', different from the other WRC events; for example, say run it from Tuesday - Friday night.

Why would removing weekend driving make it a "proper" "event"?

[NickRally]

I would say Monte and RAC, maybe also 1000 Lakes and Portugal had a special status already in the 80's 90's which made up a good entry list and good media coverage.

I would agree with this.

[journeyman racer]

Journeyman racer, if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you? The reason I am asking is that you were probably not there in 1986 – WRC displaced F1 from the so called pinnacle of motorsport, I know as I was there. It didn’t last long, but only because F1 had Mr Ecclestone, who is the real reason F1 today is what it is. If he fancied WRC, or any other form of motorsport for that matter, then that is what would have been the “pinnacle” today.

I know people will jump saying the 1986 story couldn’t have and didn’t last long due to the fatalities, so change was needed – that is correct, but not the way the WRC was dealt with, i.e. banning the cars that made it great. When in the 1960’s, the fatalities in F1 were coming every other week, they didn’t ban the cars and turned to “production” models, they improved the safety of the cars that made F1 special. It could have happened in WRC, but there was no one to defend its corner.

I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.

I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.

Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.

It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1

[N.O.T]

I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.

I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.

Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.

It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1

Thank for your input prison colony...

now go bother with what hand lotion your ladyboy f1 drivers use after the race....

[Tarmop]

Well, traffic sucks everywhere, especially f1 kind of traffic, where there is no opportunity to pass others.

[journeyman racer]

Thank for your input prison colony...

now go bother with what hand lotion your ladyboy f1 drivers use after the race....

Lotion has ran out. Ladyboy F1 drivers have used it all on your arse.

[Rallyper]

I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.

I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.

Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.

It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1

I don´t see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said it´s waist of time.

What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?

[sonnybobiche]

LOL How can anybody dislike N.O.T? He's been doing top-grade trolling on this forum for 18 years. The man is a gift!

You find me another forum anywhere on the internet with someone that dedicated to his craft.

I, for one, salute you.


I don´t see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said it´s waist of time.

What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?

Ah come on, now. If the man thinks what he thinks let him speak. Bartender, a round of drinks for everyone!

[N.O.T]

Rally will never be f1 for the simple reason that f1 is far more casual...

every overweight human dog can spend 2-3 hours on a sunday and watch that garbage and claim he likes motorsports, he might go a step further and along with his supersize coke orders a cap of his favourite team... plus all the celebrity status attracts women as well so the crowds grow.

Rally needs dedication... you need to waste 3 whole days of your life to follow it properly... so even if TV grows still nobody will spend their weekends watching motorsports unless they are problematic like most of us here...

f1 fans are like pop song fans... the bottom feeders of life with no standards.

and you dare bring f1 discussion in my house ????? HOW DARE YOU ?????

now back to proper discussion...

[stefanvv]

I don´t see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said it´s waist of time.

What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?

It must be some kind of a virus. Each time I got to the word f1, I just stop reading.

[AMSS]

f1 fans are like pop song fans...

this sentence is one of the best I`ve heard regarding the subject, sums it all up!

[NickRally]

You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.
What an irony, at my place of work (F1 team) we admire the top rally drivers more than the top F1 drivers, and that is without being disrespectful towards the F1 drivers.


It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1
Taking the sunshine away from F1 is a very good way to put it - as I said, top flight rallying did exactly that in the mid 80's.

[Integrale]

Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LyE4tpmAuM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iE0cd7nNfM

You're right, rally drivers suck at traffic.

[Watson]

What an irony, at my place of work (F1 team) we admire the top rally drivers more than the top F1 drivers, and that is without being disrespectful towards the F1 drivers.


Taking the sunshine away from F1 is a very good way to put it - as I said, top flight rallying did exactly that in the mid 80's.

Right? What's all the big fuzz about?

This notion that you have to be on one side or the other confuses me. Beer or wine, dogs or cats, tits or asses, F1 or rally... I like all that stuff. Chill out and enjoy.

[stefanvv]

Beer or wine

And brandy.

[N.O.T]

Right? What's all the big fuzz about?

This notion that you have to be on one side or the other confuses me. Beer or wine, dogs or cats, tits or asses, F1 or rally... I like all that stuff. Chill out and enjoy.

Being proud that you enjoy both barbeque roasts and shit from a sewer the same like some non-filter low standards subhuman is a not something that you should advertise...

[steve.mandzij]

Being proud that you enjoy both barbeque roasts and shit from a sewer the same like some non-filter low standards subhuman is a not something that you should advertise...You're too sour, NOT. F1 can be boring and dull and faker than reality TV but there's a certain charm to it that at least made me interested in trying to like it at one point.

Life isn't black or white.

[Sulland]

Would be cool to do a 3 day test with two top F1 drivers and two top WRC drivers using two days to learn eachothers 2017 version cars
3rd day competition on asphalt and gravel in the wrc car and a real F1 qual session.

Who will come out best in total time:
1. asphalt for both cars
2. adding gravel time to get final time.

Will it be a F1- or a Rallydriver on top of the podiums?

[Lousada]

Would be cool to do a 3 day test with two top F1 drivers and two top WRC drivers using two days to learn eachothers 2017 version cars
3rd day competition on asphalt and gravel in the wrc car and a real F1 qual session.

Who will come out best in total time:
1. asphalt for both cars
2. adding gravel time to get final time.

Will it be a F1- or a Rallydriver on top of the podiums?

F1 world champion Kimi Raikkonen did the WRC in a very good car. He completely sucked. That is all you need to know.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Would be cool to do a 3 day test with two top F1 drivers and two top WRC drivers using two days to learn eachothers 2017 version cars
3rd day competition on asphalt and gravel in the wrc car and a real F1 qual session.

Who will come out best in total time:
1. asphalt for both cars
2. adding gravel time to get final time.

Will it be a F1- or a Rallydriver on top of the podiums?

When I watched that Red Bull promo video with Sainz senior and junior as rally instructors for Mark Webber and David Coulthard I was disappointed that the instructors weren't given runs against the clock. Junior may have even been faster than Dad as he mentioned he had been driving that dirt road on their estate since he was five years old!

[Rallyper]

Okey guys. Only about nine hours until the big Iberia derby. Anyone for beers?? Eeeh... maybe wine? Wait... brandy. Or do you fancy a rom and coke, maybe??

[Zeakiwi]

When I watched that Red Bull promo video with Sainz senior and junior as rally instructors for Mark Webber and David Coulthard I was disappointed that the instructors weren't given runs against the clock. Junior may have even been faster than Dad as he mentioned he had been driving that dirt road on their estate since he was five years old!

Happened last year - few different versions of this video - Sainz Jr vs Sainz Snr in crosskarts on dirt.

https://youtu.be/r2MqbHFFXoQ

[Watson]

Okey guys. Only about nine hours until the big Iberia derby. Anyone for beers?? Eeeh... maybe wine? Wait... brandy. Or do you fancy a rom and coke, maybe??

I'm currently exploring the many different faces of gin and bourbon cocktails. For the Iberia derby Sagres with Brandy or Port might be more fitting.

[stefanvv]

Okey guys. Only about nine hours until the big Iberia derby. Anyone for beers?? Eeeh... maybe wine? Wait... brandy. Or do you fancy a rom and coke, maybe??

Rom and coke are too sweet for my taste. Grape brandy and cold beers for me.

[AnttiL]

Rom and coke are too sweet for my taste. Grape brandy and cold beers for me.

In addition to being a rally (and music) geek, I'm a big craft beer geek. Basically I don't even consume any other types of alcohol.

Considering France is a big wine country and Belgium is known for its strong ales, I like where the WRC title race is going :cool:

[Rally Power]

No, quite contrary to that, Safari was more of a specialist event with not even all teams and drivers taking part, instead using specialist drivers who would not then do the rest of the rounds at all (like Waldegård in 1990 or Ian Duncan). Maybe the car manufacturers felt like it was an important event to show off for car endurance, but us fans were more interested in fights for seconds (we didn't do timing in tenths back then).

Yep, from the mid 80’s the Safari struggled adapting to a more ‘speed centered’ spirit of the WRC, boosted by Gr.B introduction, but in the 70’s the Safari was an iconic rally, probably the most prestigious of the series, alongside Monte-Carlo. In those early days of the WRC the endurance character prevailed in most events and rallys requiring a flat out pace, like Sweden and Finland, were somehow an exception; like at the Safari, their specific nature also granted local drivers huge success.

[stefanvv]

Considering France is a big wine country

They're quite famous with their Cognac as well.

[Rally Power]

For the Iberia derby Sagres with Brandy or Port might be more fitting.

You should also try our wines; they're excellent. Btw, I'll drink anything, as long as Portugal wins. Força Portugal!!!

[AnttiL]

Yep, from the mid 80’s the Safari struggled adapting to a more ‘speed centered’ spirit of the WRC, boosted by Gr.B introduction, but in the 70’s the Safari was an iconic rally, probably the most prestigious of the series, alongside Monte-Carlo. In those early days of the WRC the endurance character prevailed in most events and rallys requiring a flat out pace, like Sweden and Finland, were somehow an exception; like at the Safari, their specific nature also granted local drivers huge success.

Yup, but rallying was a different sport back then. In fact the 1970 London - Mexico win is probably what Mikkola was/is best known from, not his numerous Finland and RAC victories, although that wasn't even a WRC event.

EDIT: Also the fact that championship points were awarded only to manufacturers, not drivers, emphasized the endurance factor. That quickly changed in the 80's with also the cars becoming faster.

[Rallyper]

I think ONE duppla pukki is enough tonight (8,5% Finnish quality beer, for those who doesn´t know...). Very warm weather here in Sweden today. Well, 23 degrees...

BTW, I think Spain wins.

(Excuse us N.O.T. - but this is the bar...)

[AnttiL]

I think ONE duppla pukki is enough tonight (8,5% Finnish quality beer, for those who doesn´t know...).

https://zippy.gfycat.com/FlawlessUniformGrison.gif

[NickRally]

Okey guys. Only about nine hours until the big Iberia derby. Anyone for beers?? Eeeh... maybe wine? Wait... brandy. Or do you fancy a rom and coke, maybe??

Enjoy everyone!

I am not really into football, but just noticed that Spain and Portugal are in Group B ;)

[Rallyper]

https://zippy.gfycat.com/FlawlessUniformGrison.gif

I´ll get you one if we meet in Jyväskylä... :)

[nafpaktos]

O Krisse Sohlberg σοκαρισμένος.
Μόλις τώρα ·
Surullinen ilta Suomen rallille. Syvä osanottoni menehtyneen katsojan läheisille ja ystäville. Vaikka asiat tekee kuinka hyvin, niin valitettavasti silti voi sattua tragedia. Voimia kuskille ja kartturille. Ja pliis lehdet älkää revitelkö. RIP

any further details????

[Franky]

O Krisse Sohlberg σοκαρισμένος.
Μόλις τώρα ·
Surullinen ilta Suomen rallille. Syvä osanottoni menehtyneen katsojan läheisille ja ystäville. Vaikka asiat tekee kuinka hyvin, niin valitettavasti silti voi sattua tragedia. Voimia kuskille ja kartturille. Ja pliis lehdet älkää revitelkö. RIP

any further details????

My understanding of Finnish is very rusty, but based on what I saw in the media, a car went off the road (rolled) and hit a female spectator who died by the hit on the location. No one else was involved. Police couldn't say if the spectator was in a dangerous location or not.

Hopefully Finns can either confirm or correct me.

[Essaj]

Not much details yet but what have I heard is that there were spectators on outside of the corner and the female who got hit died instantly. Sad day in finnish rallying :(

[AnttiL]

Very sad indeed. I don’t know more of the incident. Condolences.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Enjoy everyone!

I am not really into football, but just noticed that Spain and Portugal are in Group B ;)

I heard someone say Group B - may I join the conversation now it has moved off football.

[fredfush]

My understanding of Finnish is very rusty, but based on what I saw in the media, a car went off the road (rolled) and hit a female spectator who died by the hit on the location. No one else was involved. Police couldn't say if the spectator was in a dangerous location or not.

Hopefully Finns can either confirm or correct me.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/16/c_137257126.htm

[stefanvv]

I heard someone say Group B - may I join the conversation now it has moved off football.

That's such a nice conversation.

[sonnybobiche]

Really sorry to bring up circuit racing again, but I just tuned in to Le Mans and the first voice I hear commentating is Karun Chandhok. OK, I could see that. Then Karun stops talking and whose unmistakable voice do I hear? Why none other than Julian Porter.

What's that fella doing over there? Making a living or something?

[stefanvv]

What's that fella doing over there? Making a living or something?

Doing something in the long, long rally pause.

[SubaruNorway]

Julian has been doing it for some years now, Aleks Zawada stepping in on ERC radio

[danon]

https://www.facebook.com/asktimwade/videos/10155404796372127/

[AndyRAC]

Really sorry to bring up circuit racing again, but I just tuned in to Le Mans and the first voice I hear commentating is Karun Chandhok. OK, I could see that. Then Karun stops talking and whose unmistakable voice do I hear? Why none other than Julian Porter.

What's that fella doing over there? Making a living or something?

He's been doing the official WEC Le Mans coverage for a few years - and why not? And there is no need to apologise for mentioning Le Mans....It's THE big one of the whole year.

[pantealex]

F1 world champion Kimi Raikkonen did the WRC in a very good car. He completely sucked. That is all you need to know.

Kimi has done fastest SS-time and his best result is 6th. I´m pretty sure that none of Rally World Champions will ever drive fastest lap time and 6th place from Grand Prix. That is something you should know.

[GravelBen]

Kubica was very fast in a WRC car on tarmac too, but not very consistent.

Quite a difference between WRC and F1 though really - WRC drivers are chasing seconds or tenths of seconds on real roads in all sorts of constantly changing conditions, F1 drivers are chasing hundredths of seconds around the same few smoothly surfaced corners over and over again in much more controlled circumstances.

[pantealex]

Impossible to compare WRC and F1.

[AndyRAC]

I'd like to see a few WRC drivers try another discipline; get them out of their comfort zone. One thing that Loeb can be praised for is not just sticking to rallying. Too few drivers try other disciplines.

[Lousada]

Kimi has done fastest SS-time and his best result is 6th. I´m pretty sure that none of Rally World Champions will ever drive fastest lap time and 6th place from Grand Prix. That is something you should know.

Kimi Raikkonen did one fastest time in his whole career, the final SSS in Rally Deutschland. This was in the days that were only 4 works cars for Ford and Citroën and Raikkonen still did not finish best of the rest even once. To compare with another rally-superstar: Martin Prokop has 3 stagewins and a best result of 4th.

Sebastien Loeb finished second in Le Mans in a car that has similar performance to an F1 car. Only two current F1 drivers did better at Le Mans. Had he driven F1 in his prime Loeb would not have embarrased himself.

[dupanton]

This is the same as guessing how good a swimmer would be at tennis... Completely useless!

[janvanvurpa]

I'd like to see a few WRC drivers try another discipline; get them out of their comfort zone.
One thing that Loeb can be praised for is not just sticking to rallying.
Too few drivers try other disciplines.


Why? What whim would it satisfy? How do you know they haven't? How you going to force them>
Personally I have never been interested in watching or doing anything on asphalt..Ever..
I did enduros, then years of moto-cross all over the world....then enduros again....then gravel rally..

As far as i can tell I would not like the participants of most asphalt stuff, and definitely not like the fans.
Why would I want to something?
Likewise why would "the Dubya Arsey guys"?

[dimviii]

https://motorsport.hyundai.com/fan-zone/competitions/

[Rallyper]

I'd like to see a few WRC drivers try another discipline; get them out of their comfort zone. One thing that Loeb can be praised for is not just sticking to rallying. Too few drivers try other disciplines.

Why? Worthless knowing.

[AL14]

Lol Tanak:

From Instagram/Facebook
"This is the proper 4* Michelin Restaurant. ��⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️"

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35973324_1677910425641353_4769223653613109248_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=74c91943880f4c6f57a7e0d41425f0e9&oe=5BB0539C

[drive]

Sorry for asking, is it true that beer in finland cost about 2.5 eur for a can? Carlsberg or heineken... just checked customs rules, says over 100 litres are allowed to bring in :)

[Essaj]

Sorry for asking, is it true that beer in finland cost about 2.5 eur for a can? Carlsberg or heineken... just checked customs rules, says over 100 litres are allowed to bring in :)

Depends on a beer, skip Carslberg and Heineken and go with a 24 pack of Karhu which costs around 26euros :) Just stay away from Karjala, Koff and Lapin Kulta and you're sweet!

[AnttiL]

Cheap beer costs about 3e/liter. All the mass brand lagers taste the same, like piss. Lapin Kulta is the closest to a real pilsener. I would go for Olvi IPA, proper beer, bang for a buck (or two)

[pantealex]

Sorry for asking, is it true that beer in finland cost about 2.5 eur for a can? Carlsberg or heineken... just checked customs rules, says over 100 litres are allowed to bring in :)

Some yes, but cheapest brands are less than 1€/can. With 2€ you get good beer, with 3€ excellent. Both Carlberg and Heineken are cheap brands in Finland.
If you come with car, bring beer, Finns will buy all extra away...

[N.O.T]

Some yes, but cheapest brands are less than 1€/can. With 2€ you get good beer, with 3€ excellent. Both Carlberg and Heineken are cheap brands in Finland.
If you come with car, bring beer, Finns will buy all extra away...

being from a country where alcoholism is almost a national sport and referring to that bubbling piss as beer is an insult...

they are lagers... nothing to do with beers.

[pantealex]

they are lagers... nothing to do with beers.

Most of they were lagers, but now when limit is 5.5% what you can sell/buy at normal stores/gas-stations things have changed, IPA, APA, Weiss, Dark..
Nearly everyone can find something to drink.
I´m pisshead so I can drink lager also.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Hayden Paddon's averaged 122.66 kph in winning Rally South Canterbury the latest round of the NZ Rally Championship. Only 6 WRC events have ever had a faster average speed, those 6 events were all Rally Finland

[AnttiL]

Hayden Paddon's averaged 22.66 kph

on a bicycle?

[KiwiWRCfan]

on a bicycle? hmmm - I must learn to proof read before pressing post. Original entry now corrected

[WRCfan]

NZ roads allow for superb high speed, flowing driving, especially in the south island! I hope with this expanding calendar that we might see a flicker of hope to see it back here in NZ again. Rallying in Japan would be disappointing as I went to WRC Rally Japan and the roads were crap. The spectator areas were far and few between, and despite Hokkaido being big and expansive (looking a lot like NZ) they chose the worst roads possible to run as special stages. As spectators we saw next to nothing because the stages were so narrow you weren't allowed to walk in at all!

[dimviii]

Nicky Grist
‏
Old Safari rallies were timed to the minute, if at the end of a section you are close to the next minute, you pass the time card to the driver, he hands it to the catcher, when the catcher has it, he shouts TIME, and the timekeeper stops the clock. That’s what is in this picture!

https://twitter.com/nickygrist/status/1011679441632792577

[janvanvurpa]

NZ roads allow for superb high speed, flowing driving, especially in the south island! I hope with this expanding calendar that we might see a flicker of hope to see it back here in NZ again. Rallying in Japan would be disappointing as I went to WRC Rally Japan and the roads were crap. The spectator areas were far and few between, and despite Hokkaido being big and expansive (looking a lot like NZ) they chose the worst roads possible to run as special stages. As spectators we saw next to nothing because the stages were so narrow you weren't allowed to walk in at all!

I saw some Japanese National Championship thing in the winter and all you say was the roof--occasionally..
I saw summer coverage and the roads were NARROW...and the woods were lush, overgrown..

Then again I have heard many MANY "fan-boi" fans--invariably guys whose entire experience is via TV and games say "You don't really need specators, its ALL aboout the TV package.."

I want to shoot them but there's some chance that somebody might notice they had large holes in their heads..
Then again, maybe not.
But others might certainly noticed that they stopped tweeting and updating their Pacefook status and i might get arrested.

[Simmi]

Anyone know what they are smoking over at Skoda Motorsport??? One of the more bizarre content strategies I've seen. The top story on their website is about Herbie. Look at some of the other stories on here too: https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/

[AnttiL]

I want to shoot them

Sir, you have had enough to drink, the door is there =>

[Zeakiwi]

Autosport prattling on about a potential Kimi Raikkonen test at Toyota WRC.

Raikkonen is 38?

[AnttiL]

Autosport prattling on about a potential Kimi Raikkonen test at Toyota WRC.

Raikkonen is 38?

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10230643

In here Tommi Mäkinen denied those rumors

here's the new Autosport story: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/137051/toyota-open-to-raikkonen-wrc-test Mäkinen kinda contradicts himself, but the main point is that "if he pays, I give him a car". Who wouldn't?

I like this quote from Kaj Lindström:


But this kind of story has to be really careful. If we say anything then it goes on and suddenly [it is written that] we have Kimi in the car and in the team for the whole season.

"This kind of thing can get a little bit silly.

[Franky]

I'm surprised that people can even think that Räikkonen would join the main team and not be a client.

[drive]

What happend to performanceclothing outlet? They dont have any wrc branded clothes anymore - I presume promoter opened their own shop and dont want any competition? So sad i didnt get any more tshirts and stuff during december sales, i wasnt expecting them to withdraw... as personally i dont like really shop.wrc line designs...

[Zeakiwi]

https://youtu.be/0MQZryIghvo

Maybe Loeb will be forced to do a couple of more events this year to pay for this wreck of two of his teams race cars!

Loeb might drive one of the TCR cars himself to reduce driver fees.
or Loeb Racing could stand down the two 'crash' TCR drivers for the next TCR round and trial 2 of the 4 BTCC VW drivers at the last european tcr round (slovakia). Give the Loeb racing 'crash' incumbents a second chance at the Ningbo TCR round,(BTCC round clash) if they fail then BTCC vw drivers might be available to do the last 3 TCR round Wuhan, Suzuka and Macau.

[EstWRC]

Oh man. This long pause is just killing me...

[EstWRC]

Hey finnish guys on twitter, have you had not enough of whining already that the WRC drivers chose Rally Estonia instead of Autoglym? :rolleyes:

one of estonian biggest newspapers has even made an article about it https://sport.postimees.ee/4630271/kas-rally-estonial-startimine-voib-saada-hayden-paddoni-jaoks-saatuslikuks

[rp]

Hey finnish guys on twitter, have you had not enough of whining already that the WRC drivers chose Rally Estonia instead of Autoglym? :rolleyes:



What do you mean? It´s a pity that the events will be driven at the same time. Everyone knows that Rally Estonia is not the best place to test for Rally Finland, but the teams chose it this time. Even Tänak said that at least they will get the sense of the fast roads there...

" It's not quite the same for Finland where the surface is a bit harder and there are more jumps. We don't have the same profile, but the speed will be the same and, after the break and some quite slow, twisty mountain gravel roads, it's really nice to get out and go fast again."

[Rallyper]

Hey finnish guys on twitter, have you had not enough of whining already that the WRC drivers chose Rally Estonia instead of Autoglym? :rolleyes:

one of estonian biggest newspapers has even made an article about it https://sport.postimees.ee/4630271/kas-rally-estonial-startimine-voib-saada-hayden-paddoni-jaoks-saatuslikuks

That´s no whining. It´s pure consideration for Hayden. After last year he needs all support he can get. So, whining, a big NO.

[AnttiL]

It was just a joke on Hayden’s autocorrect error

[dimviii]

any paid member for full article?
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/feature/8289/how-this-era-greatest-wrc-partnership-nearly-didnt-happen

[N.O.T]

any paid member for full article?
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/feature/8289/how-this-era-greatest-wrc-partnership-nearly-didnt-happen

its david evans so probably some imaginary or exaggerated story because we are in dead season...

[AnttiL]

https://rallysportmag.com/bringing-rally-finland-2003-back-to-life-and-for-the-first-time-to-twitter130718/

[pantealex]

https://rallysportmag.com/bringing-rally-finland-2003-back-to-life-and-for-the-first-time-to-twitter130718/

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/info/uutiset/finnish-rallying-fans-will-bring-back-to-life-rally-finland-2003/

Honoured to know Rallirinki persons in real life :)

[tommeke_B]

Great to see! Passats De Canto did something similar with Catalunya '92-'93, 25 years after, but on facebook.

[AnttiL]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/info/uutiset/finnish-rallying-fans-will-bring-back-to-life-rally-finland-2003/

Honoured to know Rallirinki persons in real life :)

Honoured to be a part of this project :)

[the sniper]

any paid member for full article?
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/feature/8289/how-this-era-greatest-wrc-partnership-nearly-didnt-happen

Only Sebastien Ogier knew it was coming. The rest of the Rally Sweden press office was taken completely by surprise when Julien Ingrassia requested journalists move their laptops aside to make room for him to stand on a desk wearing a pair of cross-country skis.

At other times he'll be brightening the FIA's post-event gatherings with a line or two of AC/DC. Or speaking about the state of his relationship with his grandmother - who reportedly refused to speak to him until he started winning again.

Ingrassia came into the winners' circle at 100mph in 2010 and has barely come off the throttle since. Five world championships down, this seemed like a good time to ask him what it's like to live life alongside Ogier.

Born in Aix-en-Provence, the 38-year-old is as mystified as anybody about why he goes rallying.

"Nobody in my family ever competed," Ingrassia says, "not even a go-kart race - nothing. When I was young, one of my best friends was into the sport and one day I took my sandwiches and a pack of beer and I went to watch him as a spectator.

"It wasn't long after that he called me and asked if I wanted to co-drive for somebody. I wasn't sure, but he told me, "Don't worry, this guy is 50 years old, he will drive slowly, he just wants to enjoy it'. So I did it."

In fact he jumped squarely into the deep end of the Montpellier-based, two-day (with night stages), pace-noted Criterium des Cevennes rally in a Peugeot 306 S16. That was 2002.

Another one of his mates, Boris Moulaire, was scratching the cents together to build a 205 GTI.



"We were students," says Ingrassia. "It took us four years to save the money to build the car. It was his car though, so I never had any dream of driving. I didn't want to. We shared this one-and-a-half-square-metre cockpit and we both had a game to play. I loved it and through 2003 to '05 I co-drove for friends and built as much experience as I could."

The governing body of French motorsport, the FFSA, was running its Rallye Jeunes programme to find the next Sebastien Loeb, and Ingrassia spied an opportunity. He pulled a sickie and headed to the selection event in Ales, where he was impressed by a certain 22-year-old from Gap.

"I loved co-driving and through 2003 to '05 I co-drove for friends and built as much experience as I could"
Julien Ingrassia
"I wrote to Peugeot [who ran the Rallye Jeunes cars]," Ingrassia says. "I told them who I was, what I had done and proposed my services to co-drive for Sebastien Ogier. He had been strong on the brakes, good in his lines, not aggressive, but plenty of will. So, I sent a letter saying, 'Hello, I am Julien...'

"They came back and said, 'Here's his telephone number, it's OK for us. See what he says...'

"I called him and he invited me to come to his house on a Saturday night in January [2006]. It was so cold. I'm from the south of France, not really used to the mountains and the snow and ice. But he has grown up there. He was living with his parents, so I was brought in and introduced to all these people. I didn't know any of them, but we sat down and ate dinner together and then Seb stood up and said, 'Now we go out'.

"OK, I thought. He's going to take me to the pub or maybe a club to meet his friends."



"[But] we went to the garage, he opened the door and took out his Renault 11 Turbo. We went to the mountains. It was good fun. He knew the roads - they weren't too fast and there were snowbanks to use. I think it was a test to see if I was sick."

He wasn't, and so one of rallying's strongest relationships was born.

In Sardinia earlier this month, some may think that relationship was tested when Ingrassia made his first mistake at rallying's highest level. He forgot to collect his timecard following the penultimate stage of Rally Italy.

Ultimately, the organisers arranged to have the card taken to him, but he and Ogier were then fined €10,000 - with the loss of their 18 points suspended for the rest of the season.

When questioned about the incident, Ogier was quick to point out that he'd never touched a timecard in his life and such queries might be better directed to the right-hand side of the car. This was hardly the 'win together, lose together' approach other drivers have taken to mistakes from the person next to them.

But Ingrassia knows Ogier better than anybody. He knows about his ultra-competitive, uber-demanding side - but he also knows him away from the stages.

These guys are a genuine partnership. There haven't been that many of them - neither Derek Ringer nor Nicky Grist could ever have claimed to be Colin McRae's equal, for example.

But with Ogier and Ingrassia, the respect is mutual and the dependency goes both ways. Talk to anybody about when they first went to Volkswagen or M-Sport for the first time and you get the same story: it was the professionalism from Ingrassia that surprised people. Everybody knew what to expect from the driver, but Julien took his job to another level, and still does.



Like his counterparts the world over, Ingrassia dreamed of being a professional co-driver - but he never genuinely expected it to become a reality.

In 2008 that aspiration came one step closer when he and Ogier, funded by the FFSA and Citroen, took on and won the Junior World Rally Championship. Testing the C2 R2 Max just a week after celebrating the JWRC title win and with a C4 WRC debut on Rally GB just around the corner, things were looking rosy for Ingrassia.

But near the end of the development test, as he was just about to leave his hotel room bound for breakfast, his telephone rang. It was then Citroen team principal Olivier Quesnel.

"Citroen told me the adventure would go on for Seb, but not for me"
Julien Ingrassia
"He told me the adventure would go on for Seb, but not for me," Ingrassia recalls.

"This was the first time in my life my legs went from under me and I fell to the bed. I told him I was in Paris the next day and we could discuss it face-to-face then. Seb had been told just before me. It was hard to swallow, just one week after the championship.

"That day, we crashed on the test - probably because we were not focused. There were big things happening."

Ingrassia pleaded his case to Quesnel and, just before Christmas, was told he could continue. The final choice had been given to Ogier. Instead of following Citroen's advice and going for somebody with more experience, he had backed his man.



The past couple of years had carried Ingrassia to the great heights of the WRC. He'd established himself at Everest's base camp, but it hadn't come easy.

"I gave up my job at the end of 2007," he says. "It was not easy. I was sharing rooms in flats with friends and almost every night I was eating soup and bread - it was quite rough. But I did this because I wanted to be ready to take every chance that came for me."

Rally GB at the end of 2008 was a huge chance and one the duo made the most of - leading on their debut in a World Rally Car in one of the snowiest British events in years.

"We tested for the event in Sweet Lamb," says Ingrassia, "and the C4 was so powerful, with so much torque - when we tried it for the first time after the C2, really you take a big slap!

"The conditions on the rally were quite extreme, but Seb was good in those conditions. We were maybe a little crazy to drive at that speed at that level - I think we both knew it wouldn't end with us leading..."

Indeed, their event ended a day later.

"We landed in a swamp," smiles Ingrassia. "I have the pacenote-book page from this corner on my wall - it has a splash of mud from the swamp, it's very artistic! It's my first memory from a World Rally Car."



Subsequently confirmed as part of Citroen's Junior team for 2009, the pair would start most events in the C4 WRC, but it wasn't working early on.

"What had happened [with initially being dropped] brought so much pressure," Ingrassia says. "For the driver there is this nice carrot, but at the same time he had to decide about me. And for me I felt I was not welcome in the Citroen team, but finally I was still in the plans, [and] this means you come with a lot of pressure. Like, they didn't really want you there.

"The start of 2009, the first three or four rallies, were very hard. We did some mistakes and the pressure was coming. In Cyprus, the pressure exploded and then we went to Portugal and did a small mistake and hit a tree. I think Seb and I were close to being separated at this point.

Loeb didn't like his authority being challenged at Citroen by Ogier and Ingrassia
"But then we came to Greece and finished second. We were liberated - we could do this.

"That was so tough. There's no school for this kind of thing - no school for learning the rallies, the regulations, the media, or things like learning another language. We were in a car and on our own."

That feeling of loneliness would return a couple of years later when civil war broke out at Citroen. Having been used to an entirely compliant team-mate in Dani Sordo, Loeb didn't like his authority being challenged. It didn't start well when Ingrassia celebrated his first Citroen win by offering Loeb a carrot on the podium.

"I can tell you," he says, "he was not enjoying that at all. But I did it because, going into one of the last stages, [co-driver] Daniel [Elena] had told us they were the hunters, pretending to shoot us and telling us we were the rabbit and they were going to kick our ass."

[the sniper]

With one Seb too many at Citroen in 2011, something had to give.

"It was a difficult situation," says Ingrassia. "In 2011 Daniel used to take us back to his place for a barbecue after the rallies - he said that would be our debrief.

"Now, when I see that and think back, you cannot have a barbecue with your main competitor, the one you are trying to beat. It cannot work. This was a strange period. I didn't have any big dramas in my life with sickness or family or anything like that, so you realise it's not that important - but at this time it was twisting my stomach for sure.

"Again, in this situation Seb and I were alone. We didn't know how to deal with it. But this was still part of the learning: you need to understand you are in business as well as in sport, but you don't always expect these rules.

"I remember a lot of stories from around this time, but in November [2011], I was living close to Seb. I went to his house and he was sitting at his table, he was tired and hadn't been out for a few days. It was Ford or it was Volkswagen - to drive the Skoda the next year and then the Polo.

"The worry was that if we took the year out, would we come back in the same way? Would our competitors be further ahead? We made some points, we thought about it and then I said, 'Take your phone and call Carlos [Sainz, the intermediary between the duo and VW]. Tell them now, we go with them'. And four days later we were signing the contract in Wolfsburg."

Six years later, they celebrated a fifth world title; four with VW and one with M-Sport. How does it feel to wake up as a five-time world champion?

"There's no time to think about it," smiles Ingrassia, amused at the concept of this being his first thought of the day.



"I would like have some more time between the end of the last season and the start of the next: we finish one test on December 20 and we start the next test on January 5. There's no time to sit by the fire with a good whisky and think about what I have done this year. My friends are making me realise I'm doing something great, but I don't realise this."

It's becoming a regular thing to talk about Ogier's future at this time of year. But what about Ingrassia? He's got no appetite for starting the journey again with another driver, but his Rally Finland crash in 2017 brought things into slightly sharper focus.

"I'm not superstitious at all, but sometimes you feel things in the air," says Ingrassia. "When I arrived at this rally, I took my pacenote book and I wrote my testament and sent it to the lawyer. I was feeling on this rally something would happen. And on the second stage... bang."

A heavy landing broke something in the rear suspension on the Ford Fiesta WRC and when Ogier turned in to the next corner, the car broke away and hit a tree on Ingrassia's side. He suffered concussion and was grounded from competing for 15 days.

"This did not make me think about stopping," says Ingrassia. "I knew something would happen [at that rally]. It was not very fast, but when you are sliding and you know the tree will hit, you have no real notion of the speed. But where will it hit? When you wait, something bad happens deep in your stomach - this is animal fear.



"It was not a good period for me after this. I was shocked and it took a little time for me to recover - the brain was hitting the bones and concussion takes time."

Ask him about the future and, predictably, he's not going to reveal much. "I won't be here in 10 years," is all we get, with a trademark smile and wink.

"In my mind I feel I had a first life working and studying, then I have this beautiful life as a top-level co-driver and this will end one day.

"Maybe in a few years I will try to transmit my experience, to spread it around [to younger co-drivers] and then I will want a completely separate life away from the sport. I have always been interested in wildlife and I think this will be where I will go."

Ingrassia is one of the WRC's most forthright, intelligent and engaging personalities. Wildlife's gain will be rallying's loss when the time comes.

I wouldn't normally share a full article, but it p*sses me off that I pay Autosport (having been a subscriber for 10+years) to produce vast quantities of Formula 1/E clickbait crap nowadays... So I'll take the liberty on this one! To be fair, it's essentially just a good Ingrassia interview by David Evans.

[stefanvv]

The carrot story is just killing me:D

[dimviii]

thanks sniper!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"[But] we went to the garage, he opened the door and took out his Renault 11 Turbo. We went to the mountains. It was good fun. "

I feel proud now to have also owned an R11 Turbo ! ;) A great under-rated hot-hatch that no-one ever mentions ...

EDIT: I found this other quote..
“It was a bit like a date,” says Ingrassia. It was snowy out and they had dinner, and when they were supposed to head out to a local bar, Ingrassia spotted the Ogier's Renault 11 Turbo with studded tires. They never made it to the bar. Instead they played in the snow all night." :D

[AnttiL]

#ReliveRallyFinland2003 is now on https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=%23reliverallyfinland2003%20from%3AHartusvuoriWR C

[NickRally]

In my dream world, here is my entry for the "Freestyle" class in Rally
Finland, or as I prefer to call it, the 1000 Lakes Rally:

https://www.rally037.com/181_2.jpg

Actually, when I set off designing this car, that was one of my targets,
to be at least as fast or faster than the current WRC cars on fast
gravel roads, which (slowed down or not) I should think Rally Finland has in abundance.

OK, maybe not before we have changed the suspension to gravel spec first...

[AL14]

Scandola had a promising start at Rally di Roma Capitale! lol

https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/status/1020018941010341888?s=08

[stefanvv]

Scandola had a promising start at Rally di Roma Capitale! lol

https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/status/1020018941010341888?s=08

How did he knew it was a "STOP" sign?

[Rally Power]

Great to see a Prodrive Subaru hitting the road again; a shame it isn’t a WRC car…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UplhoUXvGA
video: Realitatea Sportiva

[electroliquid]

It's not really about rally, but Kevin Abbring driving this weekend in Lithuania long distance race with Hyundai i30 TCR and in qualification showed best time among TCR cars in this race, and 6th overall. About team where Abbring drive: https://www.15min.lt/gazas/naujiena/autosportas/greiciausiai-tcr-komandai-vadovaujantis-m-varza-tikslas-laimeti-klaseje-bet-apetitas-auga-25-1004186
More about race: http://racing.lt/

[Rally Power]

Deepest sympathies to Greek forum friends and their compatriots on this terrible moment.

[dupanton]

Photo of the year, NOT will love this:

https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37989593_2010496898982271_3075825418687741952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=e6de40d76f2f80228fbf40f11e8db1c3&oe=5BD0D6D4

[N.O.T]

this pro photogrpaher had the hardest choice in his life... go outside and see the action or stay inside a sauna with a naked overweight walrus ??

No respect for these pros.... 90% are a bunch of nobodies, they know shit about the sport.

[GravelBen]

Photo of the year, NOT will love this:

https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37989593_2010496898982271_3075825418687741952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=e6de40d76f2f80228fbf40f11e8db1c3&oe=5BD0D6D4

I thought it was a photo of NOT?

[tr4m]

this pro photogrpaher had the hardest choice in his life... go outside and see the action or stay inside a sauna with a naked overweight walrus ??

No respect for these pros.... 90% are a bunch of nobodies, they know shit about the sport.

Agreed, it's not like Jaanus Ree knows shit about WRC https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl2RhNZFjGB/?hl=en&taken-by=jaanusree

[N.O.T]

Agreed, it's not like Jaanus Ree knows shit about WRC https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl2RhNZFjGB/?hl=en&taken-by=jaanusree

he seems to know a lot about photography his technique and lightroom software handling is amazing...

but he knows shit about the WRC and where to spectate from... as most pros he just goes to the random spot where all the pros are and takes amazing photos of the scenery.

I only respect that photography guy from ewrc.cz he is a true fan and his photos are amazing... and some others... very few...

the other pros are just generic photogrpahers with amazing skills that i would hire to take pictures of my wedding but not to spectate with them in the WRC... the places they choose are shit.

the fact that they travel around the world and have been in almost every WRC round and they still cannot choose proper spots makes their situation even worse.

[N.O.T]

I thought it was a photo of NOT?

I make davids statue in Florence look like a sick dog kid...

[GravelBen]

I make davids statue in Florence look like a sick dog kid...

;)

Couldn't help myself... I'd say sorry but I'm not.

[tr4m]

... he knows shit about the WRC and where to spectate from... as most pros he just goes to the random spot where all the pros are and takes amazing photos of the scenery.
Perhaps you should take a closer look at his work? He's rarely among the other pros, he goes out of his way to find the best possible places, walking tens of km's carrying 50kg of equipment on him. Obviously he's not as passionate about WRC as he is about photography, but saying he doesn't know shit about WRC and where to spectate is quite a ridiculous claim imo. I don't unfortunately have any english sources, but take a look at this video (https://sport.err.ee/642854/pealtnagija-tutvustas-eesti-edukaimat-rallifotograafi) (hopefully it works outside Estonia). It's in Estonian and introduces his and Timo Anis' work.

That being said, I agree about ewrc.cz photographer.

[Franky]

So N.O.T, who are your favorite rally photographers? List your heroes by name.

[tommeke_B]

You shouldn't judge this guy for one odd photo. In contrary to NOT, Jaanus Ree is one of the pro photographers I respect the most. I think he was a photographer already before he started following rally, for most other rally photographers it is different indeed. But he is far from lazy, does probably most recce and preparation of all photographers. You can find him in every possible place, beyond where many of the "pros" would ever go, and that with lots of extra baggage to carry his tripods and lightning equipment. His photos often carry an atmosphere that you can rarely find from others. Also technically I think he's the best photographer, he has a lot of knowledge about both natural and artificial light which very few rally photographers have. Also his editing is spot on...

These are a few other photos he's taken this year:

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33021677_1910264972338798_5659115910699417600_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=636e9ef731927b0000e34e1b25c6e825&oe=5C0B8600

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28060918_1812345342130762_3474003462344756554_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=fb72374d990e3b15a3c09fe10b2a3c36&oe=5BD8BBD2

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27356101_1790101824355114_5049235201974557961_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=49921c118779004a5a125f1f442cc1a7&oe=5BD19AFC

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31670914_1888773101154652_1503193276054765568_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=7b0064f5cb62c67f6508424b30bd7e84&oe=5C05F0EC

[flykas]

I think such photos are really cool, something creative with WRC in it. I mean there are manny photos of jus plain WRC action. I like when someone tries to do something different with it. Though such photo has been done one or few years ago.

[N.O.T]

You shouldn't judge this guy for one odd photo. In contrary to NOT, Jaanus Ree is one of the pro photographers I respect the most. I think he was a photographer already before he started following rally, for most other rally photographers it is different indeed. But he is far from lazy, does probably most recce and preparation of all photographers. You can find him in every possible place, beyond where many of the "pros" would ever go, and that with lots of extra baggage to carry his tripods and lightning equipment. His photos often carry an atmosphere that you can rarely find from others. Also technically I think he's the best photographer, he has a lot of knowledge about both natural and artificial light which very few rally photographers have. Also his editing is spot on...

These are a few other photos he's taken this year:

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33021677_1910264972338798_5659115910699417600_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=636e9ef731927b0000e34e1b25c6e825&oe=5C0B8600

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28060918_1812345342130762_3474003462344756554_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=fb72374d990e3b15a3c09fe10b2a3c36&oe=5BD8BBD2

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27356101_1790101824355114_5049235201974557961_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=49921c118779004a5a125f1f442cc1a7&oe=5BD19AFC

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31670914_1888773101154652_1503193276054765568_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=7b0064f5cb62c67f6508424b30bd7e84&oe=5C05F0EC

3 out of 4 of these are taken in spots that are in the official guides...

the fact that he was a photographer before following the WRC shows because his photos technically are immaculate but the spots he chooses are shit 90% of the time as with every pro.

The fact that he goes through the stages and still chooses those shit places like the last picture shows that he has not learnt anything from years of following the sport.

[Mirek]

I somehow fail to see what is wrong on using new technologies available. Of course overdoing postprocessing may lead to a ridiculous result. It's a sort of art after all and people either have the feeling or they don't which means not only that those who create stupidly looking photos today would hardly do good photos in the past but as well that those who did good photos in the past would do them again and they would also use the modern technologies if they could. They didn't use them simply because they were not available.

[ESTR]

Guys a little help here, please. I know some of you knows pretty much everything. What is called this behind wheels. I know what are for but I don't remember the name.1617

[tommeke_B]

They're called mud flaps.

[ESTR]

They're called mud flaps.

Oh thanks friend.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Everybody fill your glasses and drink a toast to Prodrive, Subaru, Colin McRae and Derek Ringer - it was exactly 25 years ago today each of them claimed their first WRC event wins.
Now if you will excuse me I have a video I want to go and watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53pmFxzrdY

[sollitt]

Now if you will excuse me I have a video I want to go and watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53pmFxzrdYNice video. Especially as I make an appearance toward the end.

[Norm75]

Everybody fill your glasses and drink a toast to Prodrive, Subaru, Colin McRae and Derek Ringer - it was exactly 25 years ago today each of them claimed their first WRC event wins.
Now if you will excuse me I have a video I want to go and watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53pmFxzrdY

Prodrive run BMW M3 won Corsica in 1987

[KiwiWRCfan]

Prodrive run BMW M3 won Corsica in 1987
Thanks Norm75 I did not know that part of the back story. Can anyone refer me to an article on Prodrive's rally BMW years. Interested to learn more.
Has Prodrive put any other brands into WRC besides BMW, Subaru and Mini ?

[AnttiL]

Thanks Norm75 I did not know that part of the back story. Can anyone refer me to an article on Prodrive's rally BMW years. Interested to learn more.
Has Prodrive put any other brands into WRC besides BMW, Subaru and Mini ?

Porsche

[Norm75]

Yes Porsche, they started in 1984 and ran rothmans liveried 911sc with toivenen driving and also I think Jimmy McRae drove them. They also ran metro 6r4 in 1986 (not sure if that was anything to do with the rothmans 6r4 McRae snr drove in RAC) and then rothmans liveried M3 in 87, winning Corsica with Bernhard Beguin driving, but over the next three years M3's were only entered in four or five events, as BMW concentrated on touring cars.

[Rally Power]

Yes Porsche, they started in 1984 and ran rothmans liveried 911sc with toivenen driving and also I think Jimmy McRae drove them. They also ran metro 6r4 in 1986 (not sure if that was anything to do with the rothmans 6r4 McRae snr drove in RAC) and then rothmans liveried M3 in 87, winning Corsica with Bernhard Beguin driving, but over the next three years M3's were only entered in four or five events, as BMW concentrated on touring cars.

Yep, those programs weren’t WRC intended. The 911 was a semi official project as the Gr.B SCRS evolution was made by Porsche at Prodrive request, to be run alongside Rothmans in the MERC by Al-Hajri (84/85 champ) and in the ERC by Toivonen (84 vice champ). Prodrive and Rothmans also entered events in the Irish Tarmac with Coleman and in the French series with Therier or Beguin, plus a few WRC outings (mainly a 2 cars entry on the RAC and Corsica and several Acropolis with Al-Hajri). Besides the units taken by Prodrive, Porsche sold the rest of the 20 evolution cars to other rally teams or private drivers.

Rothmans also financed Prodrive project to run Jimmy McRae on the ’86 British Open (with an extra entry at the RAC), using a Gr.B Metro 6R4 prepared by the team and it allowed Billy Coleman to use a similar car on the Irish Tarmac (after starting the season in the 911).

The M3 started as another limited scale rally program for Prodrive. BMW successfully developed the Gr.A M3 for track use but Prodrive decided to adapt it to rally, running on behalf of BMW importers in France (with Beguin and later Chatriot) and Belgium (with Duez and later Snyers, who also was ERC vice champ with it). Besides Corsica several times (then part of the French series), Prodrive also run the 1000 Lakes with Vatanen in ’88 and a handful of WRC events more, mainly with Duez on his Fina sponsored ’89 short program (luckily, it included Portugal ;)). Despite not being a purpose designed rally machine and having little tech support from BMW, the M3 became a milestone in Prodrive rally heritage; sold to rally costumers all over Europe, it managed to get a large number of national titles and overall wins.

[KiwiWRCfan]

thanks Rally Power and Norm75 for the detailed historical information. Really appreciated

[GravelBen]

Always loved that classic video of Snijers hustling the M3 around the Manx.

[Norm75]

Always loved that classic video of Snijers hustling the M3 around the Manx.

For viewers in GB that have bt TV, there is a short half hour programme on the bt player added last week about the Irish festival of speed. A rally based event it features Snijers in his M3, and also Coleman driving.

Just to add, Prodrive also ran the M3 in the same period in the British touring car championship, winning it with Sytner.

Having googled prodrives history a little, and Jimmy McRae, it was indeed his rothmans liveried 6r4 that was run by prodrive. But I can't find any info relating to Jimmy ever having driven the 911 in period, although he does drive them on historic events.

[the sniper]

Having googled prodrives history a little, and Jimmy McRae, it was indeed his rothmans liveried 6r4 that was run by prodrive. But I can't find any info relating to Jimmy ever having driven the 911 in period, although he does drive them on historic events.

He did the Oman International in `86 in it according to ewrc: https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/1128-jimmy-mcrae/

Tbh, I imagined he'd done more.

[Norm75]

He did the Oman International in `86 in it according to ewrc: https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/1128-jimmy-mcrae/

Tbh, I imagined he'd done more.

Shame this didn't crop up a month or so ago, spoke to Jimmy at Goodwood so could of asked the man himself!

[Zeakiwi]

Paddon and the personal shizz from 2017
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12104888

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.cc/ue59disid/ford1-4.jpg

[GravelBen]

Someone put a Fiesta in a box.

[AnttiL]

Good stories https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/event-coverage/festival-of-speed/2016/5/group-bs-greatest-the-drivers--part-1/

[Rallyper]

Good stories https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/event-coverage/festival-of-speed/2016/5/group-bs-greatest-the-drivers--part-1/

Stig BlÖmqvist? Blomqvist!

[AnttiL]

It’s Dävid Evåns...

[Rallyper]

It’s Dävid Evåns...

Hehe. One beer to you.

[Franky]

It’s Dävid Evåns...

Why stop there? Ďäŵĭđ Ëvåņş.

A bit over the top but who cares, it's the pub.

[sonnybobiche]

To continue here from the news and rumours thread:

IMHO, and I am the world's biggest JML fan...

Tanak is overshadowing Latvala. It's a combination of atroicious luck for Jari-Matti, and incredible form in Ott Tanak that reminds me of JML in 2011. Jari-Matti doesn't seem to have an answer for it, and that's genuinely upsetting.

[AnttiL]

On topic of Colin Clark accidentally calling Fabio Andolfi as Umberto: there's a great similar situation from 1987 1000 Lakes Rally, on the live televising of the final stage. Blomqvist and Vatanen were driving similar RWD Sierras. Blomqvist was second at the start of the first day but Vatanen got past him during the last day. Thus Blomqvist drove to the finish first and interviewer started interviewing him in Finnish, thinking it's Vatanen, congratulating for second place. Once he took the helmet off, the interviewer just went dead silent noticing it's the wrong guy who won't even speak Finnish :D

[racerx1979]

To continue here from the news and rumours thread:

IMHO, and I am the world's biggest JML fan...

Tanak is overshadowing Latvala. It's a combination of atroicious luck for Jari-Matti, and incredible form in Ott Tanak that reminds me of JML in 2011. Jari-Matti doesn't seem to have an answer for it, and that's genuinely upsetting.


A lot of us are rooting for JML. The guy is extremely passionate about the sport. I really think he’s had a ton of bad luck with ecu and transmission issues galore. Some issues of his own as well. He does have a contract for next year so that is good. I would assume he stays with Toyota along with Lappi. Hopefully next year is a better year. JML needs to be a lead driver. It would almost be better for him to go to Citroen as a lead driver but I don’t see that happening since he’s not had the best seasons in the new cars...

[dimviii]

never ever had heard about that car.

https://www.facebook.com/1405643572818621/posts/1755699401146368/

[Rally Power]

Another one that regrettably didn’t hit the stages:
http://www.konradschmidt.de/images/stories/092014_VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG_GolfA59.pdf

[dimviii]

nice interview with M sport engineer

https://www.thepitcrewonline.net/2018/07/29/interview-with-chris-roberts-m-sport-engineer/

[Rallyper]

@NOT About where to live your days: you should try Sweden, and especially Stockholm Archipelago. Or Lappland (in Finland or Sweden, when talking about Alaska...)

[dimviii]

launch control

https://twitter.com/TakamotoKatsuta/status/1040085995016708096

[KKS]

What brand sunglasses Ott have? Anyone know?

http://i.piccy.info/i9/f71cb06e13d40d5c8436a13b7575be08/1536935272/260426/1269367/Tanak.jpg

[dnb]

What brand sunglasses Ott have? Anyone know?
Googling "wooden sunglasses", quite the selection. But they certainly look cool.

edit: i did find it quite quickly, an Estonian company https://www.prosawoodshop.com/en/product/prillid-mets-01-02-01-03-06-2/
the company also designs phone cases and you can even design your own.

[KKS]

Googling "wooden sunglasses", quite the selection. But they certainly look cool.

edit: i did find it quite quickly, an Estonian company https://www.prosawoodshop.com/en/product/prillid-mets-01-02-01-03-06-2/
the company also designs phone cases and you can even design your own.
perfect! Tnx!

[Timmy]

The lady interrupting on All Live is driving me insane. Just wanted to get it off my chest.

[Sulland]

Can they please get in someone in the studio that has driving experience, to analyse the drivers live.

the UK bimbos is a waste, that talk the stream into boredom.

Of the subscribers of all live, 98% are following the sport closely. Quality of rally knowledge neeeds to go up.

[SubaruNorway]

The lady interrupting on All Live is driving me insane. Just wanted to get it off my chest.

It's controlled by the director, but yeah it was more than normal this weekend.

Julian has driving experience but they don't have as much time to ramble on when on TV as on radio.

[dimviii]

Tanak 15 years old
https://sport.err.ee/862131/meenuta-ott-tanak-paases-15-aastaselt-esmakordselt-etv-ekraanile

[KiwiWRCfan]

This week would be a good time to rewatch Rally Australia 2011 highlights and think about comparisons to Rally Turkey 2018. Very different road surfaces but many commonalities. Both events were 10th event out of a 13 event season. Points gaps between top 3 drivers when rally started were identical and the similarities are just starting.

[eib1]

lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-DrmKpnyY0

[Rally Power]

Apparently, not an easy DTM experience for Ogier: last on the grid for both races; P13 in race 1 (16 finishers) and P17 in race 2 (17 finishers).

Grid 1: https://twitter.com/i/status/1043455963888582656
Race 1: https://twitter.com/i/status/1043485819061841920
Grid 2: https://twitter.com/i/status/1043822484296994817
Race 2: https://twitter.com/i/status/1043853190658228224

[AndyRAC]

Considering his lack of experience, and how tricky DTM cars are, I thought he did okay. I don't think he had a good set up - as he was making constant adjustments to his steering & throttle inputs ;he was nowhere near as smooth as the regulars - which is understandable. And his windscreen got covered in fluid in the 2nd race.....

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/OpensTightens/status/1043972338457489409

[Rally Power]

Considering his lack of experience, and how tricky DTM cars are, I thought he did okay. I don't think he had a good set up - as he was making constant adjustments to his steering & throttle inputs ;he was nowhere near as smooth as the regulars - which is understandable. And his windscreen got covered in fluid in the 2nd race.....

Good points. Raw data can’t tell the whole story and behind the handicaps you’ve mentioned is also fair to say he was fighting against top racing drivers (including some ex F1 or WEC).

Btw, after seeing Auto Hebdo cover I got curious about the LM Hydrogen car for 2024; here’s a glimpse of ACO’s ‘exciting’ concept for LM/WEC future: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1043479017557557248 (note, the video is in normal speed…).

[stefanvv]

Btw, after seeing Auto Hebdo cover I got curious about the LM Hydrogen car for 2024; here’s a glimpse of ACO’s ‘exciting’ concept for LM/WEC future: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1043479017557557248 (note, the video is in normal speed…).

Now consider watching this for 24 hours...

[el_kukui]

Guys, can anyone explain to me how do they decide starting order in WRC this year? I'm quite new to it, and somehow couldn't find the answer yet :( It is not by the Shakedown results anymore, is it?

[AnttiL]

1st day: championship points order
2nd and 3rd day: reversed order to the current overall positions. Rally2 after them.
Power stage: first rally2, then overall positions reversed

Next year Rally2 runners will star first 2nd and 3rd day