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[br21]

brake problems on third stage for Abbring

[dimviii]

Ogier has been rather disappointing for me as has Abbring. Kubica is on league of his own. Now in proper competition he shows what class he is!

http://www.patricksoft.fr/ -> click on "direct" in left panel.

Also Italian drivers with r3 clios very big differences with their French mates.
thanks for the link Mirek :)

[Gordini]

Anyone that has seen the Megane N4, is the 0 driver pushing it or just driving trough? Something from Renault Sport on it?

[Mirek]

"The 0 driver" is French 2009 champion so I expect him to push for comparison data ;)

[darkstar]

Thanks darkstar! :D

you´re welcome ;) some video from stage 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l4N2W5nKR0&feature=player_embedded

[Tom206wrc]

yes, youre right. for ogier theres maybe the excuse that the car isnt so fast on tarmac by now, but abbring is really slow! and tirabassi is also a little too slow, especially on stage 3 he had lost a lot of time.



here: http://www.patricksoft.fr/

or here: http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1355&catCourse=ral



No...Tirabassi no problem, Robert is just attacking like Hell :p :

[OldF]

Anyone know what happened to Jarkko Nikara on SS3? Went Off?

[Wim_Impreza]

Anyone know what happened to Jarkko Nikara on SS3? Went Off?

I only know he retired with a mechanical problem.

[OldF]

I only know he retired with a mechanical problem.

Thanks for the info.

Is there any possibility for super rally in Rallye du Var?

[Wim_Impreza]

Thanks for the info.

Is there any possibility for super rally in Rallye du Var?

Yes, but I am not sure if Nikara will use this as he is now on the retirements list.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Kubica on the limit :) 1:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SapLxqR6ms

[René]

No...Tirabassi no problem, Robert is just attacking like Hell :p :

By night, I don't know a lot of driver in France able to be faster than Cédric....

[Tom206wrc]

Any thoughts about Irish driver Martin McCormack who is currenly leading the Citroën Racing Trophy(only 1"4 in front of Guillaume Sirot) and Swiss Laurent Reuche who is second of the Volan 207(behind Germain Bonnefis) ;)

[wwbroe]

Looks like Ogier will be first on the road again?

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Tiribassi, who is taking 15 sec out of Robert's lead. Let's see if he can continu this pace, then he might be dangerous for Cedric Robert. Kubica again continuing at same pace as yesterday, doing great stagetimes. Guigou is 1 sec faster as Ogier in R3. ;)

[René]

Waoooouuuu such time of Kubica again in stage 5!!!! Guigou still front Ogier...

[René]

Tirabassi is in his garden, Cédric has problem with cooling smoke inside the car and seems to wait for the long stages, Roche is not any more there....

[René]

Stage 6 Ogier wakes up!

[wwbroe]

Tiribassi is taking another 5 sec back from Robert, wich means he is only 16 sec behind. Let's sse what will happen on the long stages.

[wwbroe]

Ogier is going very fast on this last stage, beating Guigou quite heavily and coming back untill only 0.5 sec adrift overall. :eek:

[noel157]

On Morzine Meeke had brake fade problems on the downhill sections in the DS3 and still the same problems with Ogier. Would imagine Ogier is under pressure to beat Guigou.

[René]

2 Last stage the conditions weather was differred between Ogier and Guigou but it's nice battle is going to begin now.....

[René]

Amazing time from Cedric !!!!!

[Sulland]

Must say I am impressed by Kubica, would be cool to see him and Raikkonen in the same class in a rally, maybe Kimi would get something to think about !

[René]

Must say I am impressed by Kubica, would be cool to see him and Raikkonen in the same class in a rally, maybe Kimi would get something to think about !

+1 I totaly agree

[Sulland]

What cartype is supposed to be fastest:
S1600, R3, R3T.
They are pretty even on the charts, but hard to tell how much is driver and how much is car, since I know little of the French national drivers!

[OldF]

I think the S1600 would be the fastest with 230-240 PS and 1000 kg weight (If I remember right). The second fastest would IMO be R3. The Honda has 250 PS @ 8300 rpm / 264 PS @ 8800 rpm and the Renault has 230 PS. The Citroen R3T has “only” 210 PS and the same weight as R3 cars, 1080 kg.

Citroen:
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroen.com/NR/rdonlyres/B8073730-8516-4E33-B125-8493DAD67DED/277984/90infocom90DS3R3commercialisationGB_jg1.pdf

Honda:
http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/256.pdf

Renault R3:
http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rallye/clio_r3/clio_r3_maxi.php

Renault S1600:
http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rallye/competition_client/technique.php

[Mirek]

Clio Maxi 2010 has 250 Hp ;)

[mm1]

If you take in to account nm, then the picture is in R3T favour, instead of R3 and S1600 beeing the fastest, isn`t it?

[OldF]

They’re then faster to get more power from the engine than updating their web page. :)

[Mirek]

If you take in to account nm, then the picture is in R3T favour, instead of R3 and S1600 beeing the fastest, isn`t it?

That's quite questionable. We would need dyno chart and gearing to compare both engines exactly. It's sure that DS3 must have larger power bent but if it really has only 210 Hp maximum, than it hardly can match 250 Hp by some 120 Nm more torque (don't forget that it must have much longer gears due to rather short rpm range - torque is transformed by gears, so power is the only comparable number). Anyway I don't believe press numbers enough to make comparison based on them :)

By the way 1080 kg is for R3C, not R3T. AFAIK R3T has 1120 kg minimum.

[urabus-denoS2000]

R3 is the fastest with the newest evolutions . 2010 Clio has 250 BHP , around 260 is expected next year

[Mirek]

According to Miroslav Janota (historic driver) there was ice on same places. Stage Collobrieres is partly under light snow cover!

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/3731841502131718088196363136299869433984191480916n jpg.jpg

PS Megane running as zero finally have anti-lag.

[OldF]

By the way 1080 kg is for R3C, not R3T. AFAIK R3T has 1120 kg minimum.

R3T = 1080 kg, R3D = 1150 kg. Just checked it.

A little disadvantage group R cars has on tarmac is that ground clearance can’t be lower than stated on the homologation form.

[Mirek]

Aha, so it was changed also (as restrictor size after 2009).

[wwbroe]

Another besttime for Robert on the last stage of the day (long one). He takes another 11 sec on Tiribassi, Bouffier is staying third and will take thge crown if everything stays like this tomorrow. :)

[pettersolberg29]

Much better speed by Sarrazin now - only 25s behind Bouffier despite his problems. Encouraging for an assault on Monte Carlo in January.

[wwbroe]

Much better speed by Sarrazin now - only 25s behind Bouffier despite his problems. Encouraging for an assault on Monte Carlo in January.

Yes, it is true, but most of the time he allways makes a mistake somewhere.Bouffier is also driving in another context, i am not saying that he is just cruising trough, but i guess he has big safety margin and is only interested in the French title. ;)

[Ucci]

After eight specials nothing new, it seems that Tirabassi has to much troubles with his Impreza, so Robert has a safe advantage for the last day.But all this is nothing compare to shocked stage times achived by F1 boy-Kubica!!
I must admit that I as a great fan of Ogier (also a successor of Loeb) am deeply disappointed of his driving capabilities and that he is not abble to at least keep the contact with Kubica, let alone be faster than Kubica! Do not forget-Ogier was two years ago JWRC champion!! And Kubica two years ago maybe did not even know how to start the engine of the rally car....
Ogier is simply losing 0,5 to 1 second/km of the stage. Far too much...And do not doubt about the cars-definitely is a brand new DS3R3T faster than privat, almost ten years old S1600 rally car. Think yust on the chassis, suspensions&traction-how big is the development every year and Clio's homologation had last changes in the year 2005....
Also big disappointment Italians crews in the R3 class....

[OldF]

And do not doubt about the cars-definitely is a brand new DS3R3T faster than privat, almost ten years old S1600 rally car.

The horsepowers are still live and kicking although 10 years old. ;)

[Mirek]

Also R3 car has smaller brakes and it's suspension is stock-based compared to special wide one in S1600.

But it's true that Clio S1600 is rather old car (it's homologation ends next year - hopefully they make it lasting longer).

[OldF]

That’s true. By comparing these two homologation sheets one can see that there’s considerable difference in the wishbones and subframes.

Citroën C2 Max:
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroen.com/NR/rdonlyres/F681BC11-9445-44B2-A4E3-706834B932BC/224239/28_02_VR2Bcopy.pdf (pages 27-30)

Citroën S1600:
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroen.com/NR/rdonlyres/F681BC11-9445-44B2-A4E3-706834B932BC/225221/06_01_KScopy.pdf (pages 15-16)

Note the exotic rear axle of S1600.

I also believe that one difference between R2 and R3 are the wishbones. At least Honda has a similar front wishbone as S1600 as an option.

http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/256.pdf (page 7).

[René]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfti8m_rallye-du-var-2010_auto

[Mirek]

I also believe that one difference between R2 and R3 are the wishbones. At least Honda has a similar front wishbone as S1600 as an option.http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/256.pdf (page 7).

Clio too. If I'm not mistaken stock Clio R.S. has the "Performance Hub" front axle but R3 has normal McPherson. Renault Perofmance Hub is very similar to Ford RS Revo Knuckle with independent steering on McPherson-like strut.

[urabus-denoS2000]

And Kubica two years ago maybe did not even know how to start the engine of the rally car....



Kubica drove occasional rallies in Poland much years ago :)

[br21]

in my opinion biggest advantage of Clio S1600 over Clio R3 is the brakes. Then weight, wider suspension, lower ride height... But of course Kubica is great driver.
Remember when he was driving Clio R3 last year he wasn't that fast, there were also some braking issues. I think S1600 suits him perfectly as it's proper tarmac car, as close to racing car as a rally car could be. Plus watch his style, he's using tires in 100%, he checks tires temp, pressure before and after every stage, and analyzes this data, he's doing it since he was 8 years old, so he's got some experience :)


also with the accident of Campana Abbring should be the guy who wins Clio R3 European Trophy tomorow

[Bartek]

i think the biggest advantage is Kubica :) he is very fast, if he start in the same class like Kimi he beat him without problems!

Go RK ! :)

Why Bouffier don't have got 307 WRC? In Polish they writed he will start 307 WRC.

[Ucci]

I entirely agree and respect your opinions about technical specifications over S1600&R3&R3T classes, and I also know that RK is a damn fast and an all round driver, but my dear friends, do not forget with whom we are comparing him: Mr.Ogier!! He is the unwritten successor of irrecplaceable Sebastian Loeb!! One of the three, maybe four fastest drivers in the world rallying-we are not talking here about one local, fast driver, who has a good day and some luck.
It is the same comparison as Kimi would beat Loeb&Co after few rallies for a minute or two...can you imagine that???
Kubica did already humiliate the drivers with 2WD in Italy, but still we can not compare Albertini&Gamba&Cempedelli&Ferrari&Campana with Ogier, therefore I did not expect on the French soil to be even close to Ogier, let alone to be in front of him.....
Enough theory-pure fact is that Kubica is breaking rules and yust a small wish-what would happen if he someday gets a proper WRC for a race or two...??
So tomorrow Ogier try to be faster than Kubica at least on one stage....

[fegh]

what a time from kubica in the first stage today !!! amazing

[Francis44]

Ucci, I think that's an unfair judgement of both Ogier and Kubica performances.
First off all we have the cars. The Clio S1600 has years of development and data to use, plus it's much more of an tarmac oriented rally car.
The DS3 is, in my opinion, too high from the ground to make it fast, in the recent videos you can clearly see on corners the car bounces quite a bit, and
if im not mistaken is Ogier first time in the car.

[René]

First time for Ogier with DS3 R3 and first time in the Var rally

DS3 R3 still needs development, and it would be possible to compare the performances of the pilots that on the length of a championship. It being what accomplishes Kubica is really an amazing performance....

[René]

Stage: 9

7. Robert Kubica – Jakub Gerber (Renault Clio Super 1600) : « I was careful because it was dark and it was slippery. » :)

[modri dirkac]

Waw, Robert, double coffee today? :D
It seems that Kubica really want that 3. place overall ... Amazing driving from him! :eek:

[Dejan]

Is it raining there, because in the last SS the times were much slower then yesterday in the first pass??

[René]

Yes it's raining and some place with water running on the road

[René]

In last satge, the fight between Ogier and Guigou will be interesting to follow...

[br21]

unbeliveable performance by Kubica, beating 4wd cars in wet conditions... also very good times by Abbring, Campana retires yesterday so Kevin can push today

[René]

New scratch for Kubica and puncture for Guigou, so Ogier win the R3 group with DS3

[dimviii]

pitty for Guigu :(
Kubica is really amazing.Would like to see him with a s2000 against irc drivers.

[Sulland]

Kubica is a real racedriver that can succeed in multiple disciplines !

Any pics from the historic part ?

[Mirek]

Just returned home and I can't believe my eyes watching the leaderboard! :D

[darkstar]

that was a really amazing rallye from kubica! very well done, i hope we´ll see some onboard footage as from antibes.

does someone know what happened to tirabassi?

here´s some nice hd video i found on the net: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RItdU62ys88&hd=1

[pucky54]

that was a really amazing rallye from kubica!
does someone know what happened to tirabassi?


Awesome drive by Kubica, right.
Tirabassi crashed

[Ucci]

pitty for Guigu :(
Kubica is really amazing.Would like to see him with a s2000 against irc drivers.

We all would he happy to see Kubica in a S2000 machinery, but guys driving those cars not, they would have pants full of crap as they would be scared like sick dogs....According the demonstration with S1600 he wold beat them easliy. So next time I see IRC drivers I will think twice for their results achieved.
Kubica, yes, you are the man!!

[Gordini]

Nothing on the Megane N4 no times no pictures no renaultsport show?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Is this theoretically possible , to beat 2 Peugeot works drivers and a very fast WRC on ALL stages of the day in an S1600 ??? Kubica , you are THE best rally driver currently in the world :)

[PLuto]

We all would he happy to see Kubica in a S2000 machinery, but guys driving those cars not, they would have pants full of crap as they would be scared like sick dogs....According the demonstration with S1600 he wold beat them easliy. So next time I see IRC drivers I will think twice for their results achieved.
Kubica, yes, you are the man!!

Ucci, as you can see, Kubica shout beat easily also drivers from WRC :) But we will see on Monte, I am looking forward to it. Especially to fight Kubica vs Raikkonen :D

[N.O.T]

Amazing result for Kubica indeed... His approach to the rallying sport should be an example to all race boys... i think its time for bigger things for Robert..well done.

[pettersolberg29]

Am I missing something? Was the weather kind to Kubica or something because that is literally unreal. Faster than Sarrazin and Bouffier on every stage today despite having a much worse car! Overall the results were crazy - people winning stages by 20/30s from 2nd place.

[Mirek]

According to my friend, who was there as co-driver in historic (4th overall, 2nd ERC), it was raining today but warmer than yesterday when there was even some snow on the road...

[mm1]

Yeah, since Rally Du Var, rain is actualy better for a front wheel drive car than a 4wd one :) . Would realy like to see RK in an s2k.

[René]

A nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_EbsZlL2Uc&feature=player_embedded

[Raven]

Ucci, as you can see, Kubica shout beat easily also drivers from WRC :) But we will see on Monte, I am looking forward to it. Especially to fight Kubica vs Raikkonen :D
I read somewhere that Kubica is will not drive Monte Carlo. Something changed?
It's a pity Renault does not have a S2000 car.

[Tom206wrc]

I'm also impressed by Kubica's pace at the rallye du Var :eek:

[vespa63]

My pictures here : http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/9608
enjoy ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

Really nice photos.

[Gordini]

Sorry to go on, but did Renault have some sort of presentation at du var for the new N4 2wd Megane that was used as 0 car there, they said on their page they should have the formal presentation there. Was there something?

[René]

Sorry to go on, but did Renault have some sort of presentation at du var for the new N4 2wd Megane that was used as 0 car there, they said on their page they should have the formal presentation there. Was there something?

Maybe that it will satisfy you ;)

http://www.autohebdo.fr/photos.php?u=26&d=3&id=654&id_photo=7502&pg=&p=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaE9oDr_kDk&feature=player_embedded

[wildsir]

Kubica drive was amazing. It must be remembered the S1600 is probably the best tarmac 2 wheel driver car ever built. Meeke destroyed Ogier some time ago in Germany in a Clio.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Kubica onboard from SS1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRjCpjCbKJk

[Tom206wrc]

"Le Grand Challenge" 2010 starts today afternoon :p :
http://www.legrandchallenge.fr/resultats.html

[FabiaFan]

There was this young gentle symphatetic French driver with a female co-driver, they used to drive Peugeots and also Fabia WRCs some three years ago on some tarmac WRC events quite successfuly (5.-8.places at RMC, TdC...) - what happened to them, sadly haven't heard anything the last years :-(

[Mirek]

They drove something in French championship with 307 WRC one or two years a go. For a short time also in Ypres 2009 with Corsa S2000...

[N.O.T]

There was this young gentle symphatetic French driver with a female co-driver, they used to drive Peugeots and also Fabia WRCs some three years ago on some tarmac WRC events quite successfuly (5.-8.places at RMC, TdC...) - what happened to them, sadly haven't heard anything the last years :-(

If you mean Bengue...its a long story...he announced a few years back that he quits rallying but from time t time he appears in some local events.

[Tom206wrc]

Sad news from France in this start of 2011... :mark:


Driver from Monaco, Michel Gioffre, who was ill from several years now and despite all was running rallies of french championship and national events in great cars(306 Maxi, then 206WRC)...finally died on 3rd of january :(

He was an example for other people also hit by disease, handicaped, etc...seeing that they could keep on their hobbies in spite of their health problems


R.I.P. Michel, condolences to family and friends ;(

[FabiaFan]

If you mean Bengue...its a long story...he announced a few years back that he quits rallying but from time t time he appears in some local events.
Thanks N.O.T. In fact there were more promising "young" french tarmac drivers in the past... Bengue, Bernardi, Tirabassi... what happened to all of them? Is the drivers career in France so dependent on the almighty FFSA?

[NRI]

Alexandre BENGUE is now road opener for Seb OGIER in WRC.

[Tom206wrc]

Full tarmac rally championship season in the Porsche GT3 + for Romain Dumas :)

[Tom206wrc]

Belgian driver Claudie Tanghe with a Citroën DS3 R3 on rallye des Routes du Nord(event counting as first of the french Citroën Racing Trophy) ;)

Another one on the same car: Bart Maes...someone from the forum heard of him ??? :confused:

http://www.lesroutesdunord.com/

[Wim_Impreza]

Belgian driver Claudie Tanghe with a Citroën DS3 R3 on rallye des Routes du Nord(event counting as first of the french Citroën Racing Trophy) ;)

Another one on the same car: Bart Maes...someone from the forum heard of him ??? :confused:

http://www.lesroutesdunord.com/

Yes, Bart Maes won the regional Hemicuda Rally in Belgium last year in an Octavia WRC from Bernard Munster Autosport and was 4th overall in the Short Rally Staden with the same car.

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks Wim ;)

First pre-entrylist rallye du Touquet, first event of french tarmac championship http://www.rallye-letouquet.com/fr/guide-du-spectateur/liste-des-engages/

[Wim_Impreza]

Probably Kris Princen (Clio R3) will be there. If he finds more budget, he will contest more rounds of the French Clio R3 Trophy.

[Tom206wrc]

Simon Jean-Joseph back in rally world with a Citroën C4 WRC in french gravel championship this season :)

It's not really latest news, as it's known since several weeks, but hasn't been written in this thread yet :p :

[Gordini]

18 Twingo R1 on the start for the first tarmac event in France.Not bad.
Will they go in the gravel rounds also?

Also only 1 Megane N4. will more come?

[Tom206wrc]

Rumour of a belgian driver coming to the french Peugeot Volant 207 cup this season: wonder if it's not Ghislain de Mévius, on the way to Rally van Haspengouw this week-end in that car(207 R3T) :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Andreas Mikklelsen coming to Corsica next week to run the Ronde de Giraglia as preparation of Tour de Corse/IRC :eek:
Corsican driver Jean-François Succi would also drive there a Skoda Fabia S2000 ;)

[darkstar]

Simon Jean-Joseph back in rally world with a Citroën C4 WRC in french gravel championship this season :)

It's not really latest news, as it's known since several weeks, but hasn't been written in this thread yet :p :

thats some very good news!

[Jarek Z]

Simon Jean-Joseph back in rally world with a Citroën C4 WRC in french gravel championship this season :)

It's not really latest news, as it's known since several weeks, but hasn't been written in this thread yet :p :

Wow! I haven't heard about it. Great news! Although it means that this year's French gravel championship will be a one-man show! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Wow! I haven't heard about it. Great news! Although it means that this year's French gravel championship will be a one-man show! :)

Don't forget Jean-Marie Cuoq, I'm sure he will be there again ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Three czech drivers on the way to rallye des Routes du Nord next week :D
Antonin Tlustàk in a Fabia S2000, Jiri Skoupil in ex-Tlustàk C2 S1600 and Jan Cerny in C2 R2 Max ;)
Source http://nordracing.free.fr/

[PLuto]

Yes, it is truth :)

[vino_93]

Hum, seems that Tlust'ak loves RDN :D

[PLuto]

It is good event to start the season and there is one member of organisation whom I have promised bring czech crew...

[Tom206wrc]

Endurance driver(winner of ALMS in LMP2 last year, currently Peugeot-Sport driver for the 24 hours of Le Mans)Simon Pagenaud, to debut in rallying in two weeks(10/11th march)on the Rallye de la Vienne at the wheels of a Citroën C2 R2 :eek:

Great news, but keep in mind also what happened to Robert Kubica(who wan't completely debuting a rally carreer) few weeks ago :mark:

[urabus-denoS2000]

Great news, but keep in mind also what happened to Robert Kubica(who wan't completely debuting a rally carreer) few weeks ago :mark:

What does that have to do with the subject ?

[Tom206wrc]

What does that have to do with the subject ?


Well, Pagenaud could crash and hurt too, hampering his chances of circuit program(especially 24 hours of le Mans) :rolleyes:

[Jarek Z]

Tom simply wants to say that racers are not as good as rally drivers ;)

[Tom206wrc]

No I didn't pretend that :p :
Would be an insult or an offense to guys like Sarrazin and Dumas :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

Belgian Paul Lietaer appeared today on entrylist of Rallye des Routes du Nord with a Subaru Impreza WRC :)

[Jarek Z]

Strange that Lietaer competes in some local rally abroad, but doesn't compete in Rally Haspengouw, that will open Belgian Rally Championship this weekend.

[Wim_Impreza]

Strange that Lietaer competes in some local rally abroad, but doesn't compete in Rally Haspengouw, that will open Belgian Rally Championship this weekend.

This rally is for Lietaer much closer to his home than the Rally Haspengouw which is for him at the other side from Belgium.

[Tom206wrc]

Official: Cédric Robert(2nd in the tarmac championship at the wheels of a whale in 2010)will drive a Citroën DS3 R3 in the whole championship this season ;)

Edit: his season starts with the Touquet on 18/19th march :)

[MartijnS]

This rally is for Lietaer much closer to his home than the Rally Haspengouw which is for him at the other side from Belgium.

Still strange though. 1.5 hours driving extra shouldnt be the problem?

[Wim_Impreza]

Still strange though. 1.5 hours driving extra shouldnt be the problem?

Indeed, but Lietaer prefers to do rallies in and around his own region. That is nothing new, from the last 10 years only in 2009 he did all the rallies of the Belgian championship.

[mousti]

Belgian Paul Lietaer appeared today on entrylist of Rallye des Routes du Nord with a Subaru Impreza WRC :)
He'll probably not start, car will not be ready because some parts are not on time delivered.

[vino_93]

:( i'll be there to see the rally. I hope he'll start :x

[goune]

Did your heard? In Rallye mag of this month it's said there will be a stage in spain, Lloret Del Mar. :dozey:

Does anyone hear somethnig about this?

That will be great!!!

[vino_93]

I heard the same thing :) Spanich gravel championship will have a race the second day, but french and spanish will be separate, because it's not the same regulation.

[morganmilan]

And what is the purpose for that? Are theren´t gravel roads enough in France? I don´t think so. Why carrying all teams abroad when they can race at home and Spain has got its own championship?

[Tom206wrc]

He'll probably not start, car will not be ready because some parts are not on time delivered.

Pitty :(


To follow Routes du Nord from tomorrow saturday http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1366&catCourse=ral
To follow Ronde de la Giraglia(Corsica) http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1370&catCourse=ral

[PLuto]

:( i'll be there to see the rally. I hope he'll start :x

Come to servis :)

[PLuto]

Photos and video from shakedown of Rallye des Routes du Nord: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11843

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/d231ae4b32688255d0adb9eadc7321ff.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/cc41acc60d23435f54e1ff62d1b60a9c.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks for the pics Pluto :)

[Tom206wrc]

Jan Cerny forfait :(

[Mirek]

Yes, he is ill.

[Tom206wrc]

Oh no !!! Claudie Tanghe lost 6 minutes on SS1 Routes du Nord ;(
Seems not to be a serious problem, as he did a correct time in SS2...off road ??? Puncture(s) ??? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Ronde of Giraglia also just has started...bu no trace of Andreas Mikkelsen on SS1 !!! :s

[wwbroe]

What happened with Mikkelsen in Corsika? Did he not start the event or did he went off on first stage, because i don't see him in results?

[Mirek]

Now Mikkelsen's time is there, 3rd...

By the way are there some wrong times in Routes du Nord results? First on SS1 a guy with 205 GTI No.64 and average speed of first in SS3 152 km/h?

[Tom206wrc]

Of course problem with timing on Routes du Nord :rolleyes:

I hope not the same for Giraglia, because Padovani in his DS3 R3 ahead of a whale and a Skoda S2000, perfect for me :D

[Tom206wrc]

Was a mistake in fact about Padovani on SS1 Giraglia, he was only 7th fastest +28" off Trojani :rolleyes:

[wwbroe]

Of course problem with timing on Routes du Nord :rolleyes:

I hope not the same for Giraglia, because Padovani in his DS3 R3 ahead of a whale and a Skoda S2000, perfect for me :D

It has been changed also Tom, again no Mikkelsen on stage 2, did he start later?

[Tom206wrc]

Belgian Victorien Heuninck was doing great times in first two stages of Routes du Nord in his C2 R2(almost equal to Gajek's DS3)but went off on SS3(retired) :(

[Tom206wrc]

It has been changed also Tom, again no Mikkelsen on stage 2, did he start later?



Normally he should start first on road :mark:

[Sulland]

Mikkelsen is there, but so are 2 guys in BMW 318 compacts, that are quite impressive. What techspecs is it on these cars?

[Tom206wrc]

Confirmation of big lateness out assistance for Mikkelsen at Giraglia who gets out with 6 minutes and 14 minutes ----> penalties :(

Edit: now he's 29th overall and got almost 3 minutes penalties :mark:

[Wim_Impreza]

Belgian Victorien Heuninck was doing great times in first two stages of Routes du Nord in his C2 R2(almost equal to Gajek's DS3)but went off on SS3(retired) :(

Heuninck is a French driver and has only a Belgian co-driver.

[PLuto]

Oh no !!! Claudie Tanghe lost 6 minutes on SS1 Routes du Nord ;(
Seems not to be a serious problem, as he did a correct time in SS2...off road ??? Puncture(s) ??? :confused:

Tanghe made high speed spin on SS 1 and lost there about 20 secs (I will prepare photo-series soon). I dont know where he lost more...

[PLuto]

As I have promised, here is photo-serie of Tanghe on SS 1 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11846

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/563a82998738337019fb081f0cf9a792.jpg

[PLuto]

Tanghe was off road about 200 m later again, he lost 5 mins there...

[wwbroe]

Thanks Pluto for photo's and info.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen seems to have won after all in Corsica, the guy with the Xsara WRC abandoned at penultimate stage. Good preparation for Andreas regarding Tour de Corse in may.

[wwbroe]

Final result for Rallye Route du Nord:

1 7 BAYARD Laurent, Toyota Celica Gt4 FA8 1:19:29:1
2 1 TLUSTAK Antonin, Skoda Fabia S2000A7S 1:20:28:9 +0:59:8+0:59:8
3 15 CHAMBON Frederic,Porsche 993 GT10 1:21:05:7 +1:36:6+0:36:8
4 26 MACE Vivien,Subaru Impreza Wrx Sti N12b1:22:34:7 +3:05:6+1:29:0
5 18 GAJEK Nicolas,Citroën Ds3 R3 1:23:12:9 +3:43:8+0:38:2
6 20 PIODI Fabien,Peugeot 207 RC R3 1:23:50:0 +4:20:9+0:37:1

[Mirek]

Final result for Rallye Route du Nord:

1 7 BAYARD Laurent, Toyota Celica Gt4 FA8 1:19:29:1
2 1 TLUSTAK Antonin, Skoda Fabia S2000A7S 1:20:28:9 +0:59:8+0:59:8
3 15 CHAMBON Frederic,Porsche 993 GT10 1:21:05:7 +1:36:6+0:36:8
4 26 MACE Vivien,Subaru Impreza Wrx Sti N12b1:22:34:7 +3:05:6+1:29:0
5 18 GAJEK Nicolas,Citroën Ds3 R3 1:23:12:9 +3:43:8+0:38:2
6 20 PIODI Fabien,Peugeot 207 RC R3 1:23:50:0 +4:20:9+0:37:1

That says quite a lot about the competition level...

[PLuto]

Lot of crews retired today. Especially Christiann, it was nice fight for second place with Antonin Tlustak.

[PLuto]

New photos from third leg Rallye des Routes du Nord - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11849

[Tom206wrc]

Video Routes du Nord :)
http://www.rallygo.com/go/modules/videotube/?startvid=0&cid=262

[rallymen123]

Some photos from saturday stages in Routes du Nord online on www.bvrallypics.be (http://www.bvrallypics.be)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/RoutesduNord2011006_1.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/RoutesduNord2011009_1.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/RoutesduNord2011140_1.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/RoutesduNord2011287_1.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/RoutesduNord2011239_1.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Check-out the today updated entrylist of rallye du Touquet(held next week) :D
http://www.rallye-letouquet.com/fr/guide-du-spectateur/liste-des-engages/

Promising battle in R3 and Kris Princen will have a seriously hard task against Cédric Robert or Marc Amourette if he wants to win the group :eek:
In R1 entrylist see the number of Renault Twingos !!!! :crazy:

[Sulland]

164 entrants and 20 in historics - an impressive startlist.

30 R1s is a flying start for that class, shows the ned for a cheap entry class car !

[Mirek]

I must say congrats to Renault. They again built a best-seller. These guys know what they are doing, we need them to build a top-class car.

[goune]

Check-out the today updated entrylist of rallye du Touquet(held next week) :D
http://www.rallye-letouquet.com/fr/guide-du-spectateur/liste-des-engages/

Promising battle in R3 and Kris Princen will have a seriously hard task against Cédric Robert or Marc Amourette if he wants to win the group :eek:
In R1 entrylist see the number of Renault Twingos !!!! :crazy:

Don't forget Mauffrey

When i see the entry list of R1, it will ben difficult for some "rally fans" to say rally costs a lot. When i see how much costs a twingo R1 it's unbielivable. Where all this young boys gets money to buy a 25000€ R1!!!!
But it's a nice pleasure to see a so long entrey list that means this sport will not die quickly.

[RICARDO75]

Rallye Terre des Alpes Durance was canceled?

[Tom206wrc]

Rallye Terre des Alpes Durance was canceled?



Yep :mark:
Start april is begining of the gravel championship with Terre des Causses ;)

[RICARDO75]

Thanks Tom.

[goune]

Yep :mark:
Start april is begining of the gravel championship with Terre des Causses ;)

I will be ther co-driving my best friend in 205 F2000/13 ;)

French gravel championship willhave 5 stage and maybe a 6th in spain. :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Pre-entrylist Terre des Causses available ;)
http://terre.des.causses.pagesperso-orange.fr/engages.htm

So Belgian Ghislain de Mevius will start his "french campaign" there :)

[darkstar]

if only those amazing terre rallye´s wouldnt be so far away from germany, i would watch them all! but i´m going to see auxerrois and langres, both are around 700/800 km from my home, thats ok :)

[Tom206wrc]

Couldn't believe my eyes when I read this, from Autohebdo website: Alexandre Bengué back in tarmac championship from Lyon-Charbonnières(in april)at the wheels of...the Prodrive New Mini WRC !!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[HaCo]

That would be awesome!

[vino_93]

Come to servis :)
I came only sunday on stages :D Interesting race, and czech guys were very popular on roads :p Nice victory for Bayard for his first time with a Celica :cool:

[vino_93]

Very good news for Bengué, and he will do three WRC events too 8-)

[Jarek Z]

Couldn't believe my eyes when I read this, from Autohebdo website: Alexandre Bengué back in tarmac championship from Lyon-Charbonnières(in april)at the wheels of...the Prodrive New Mini WRC !!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Hard to believe... is it confirmed?

[Tom206wrc]

In fact Bengué would run Lyon-Charbonnières in a Mini...S2000, and then, the WRC for the rest of championship, when ready(for custommers) ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Start Rallye du Touquet early this afternoon, start of Rallye Pays du Gier this evening...both results to be followed on http://www.patricksoft.fr/ :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Three stages are running at the Touquet, and Eric Brunson is leading ahead of Pierre Roché and Dany Snobeck ;)
In the Trophée Michelin Jean-Sebastien Vigion is leading ahead of Julien Maurin and Gilles Nantet...

In the GrR three Citroën DS3 ahead of the Clios(Kris Princen can't do anything against Matthieu Arzeno, Cédric Robert and Marc Amourette for the moment) :bounce:

[HaCo]

Megane is doing his first stages. Not impressed for now.

[tolis]

Megane is doing his first stages. Not impressed for now.
It's faster than the Evo 9 though!!! :D

[HaCo]

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/204154/MeganeN4Guigou.jpg

You're right, I didn't pay attention, it's fastest in the N4 class, which is not bad.

[dimviii]

Megane r4 with a good driver slower than plenty of clio r3/ds3s and in 2 stages slower from an evo 9(NOT evo 9 R4) with unknown driver.Nice.....

[Mirek]

It is not R4 but N4. R4 class is for 4WD cars only.

[HaCo]

This is not Megane R4, but N4.

[N.O.T]

as expected a nice cup car and nothing more...

[dimviii]

@ Mirek & Haco sorry guys my mistake.Even for a N4 is too slow.

[pucky54]

What is the problem? The Megane has just run 3 stages and is leading N4. It is a new car, it will get faster with time.

[HaCo]

Coditions not ideal for such cars:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198194_1936717099453_1288127495_32293710_2863646_n .jpg
2WD with most power, so I guess not easiest to drive.
More pics: http://www.forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/533-rallye-du-touquet-18-et-19-mars-2011/page__st__570__p__39939#entry39939

[dimviii]

What is the problem? The Megane has just run 3 stages and is leading N4. It is a new car, it will get faster with time.

faster from r3 cars you mean i suppose?

[dimviii]

Coditions not ideal for such cars:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198194_1936717099453_1288127495_32293710_2863646_n .jpg
2WD with most power, so I guess not easiest to drive.
More pics: http://www.forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/533-rallye-du-touquet-18-et-19-mars-2011/page__st__570__p__39939#entry39939

Thats why i was saying that is not going to sucess.These conditions are common in rallies,and the problem is that in this class competitors are 4wd cars.

[pucky54]

faster from r3 cars you mean i suppose?

I mean faster in general. You cannot expect a car that is faster than anyone else right out of the box.

[dimviii]

I mean faster in general. You cannot expect a car that is faster than anyone else right out of the box.

Thats right,but i also cant remember s1600 cars being slower at first than A6 cars,or s2000 cars slower than s1600 cars.if you can understant what i mean ;)

[HaCo]

Thats right,but i also cant remember s1600 cars being slower at first than A6 cars,or s2000 cars slower than s1600 cars.if you can understant what i mean ;)

Well, in Italy Ucci had to battle with its FIAT againt a Clio S1600 at first (I think it was Brocoli).

Btw, he is fastest 2wd car on the 5th, for the first time :)

[pucky54]

Thats right,but i also cant remember s1600 cars being slower at first than A6 cars,or s2000 cars slower than s1600 cars.if you can understant what i mean ;)

Yes...lets wait and see. Compared to N4 cars its looking good at first outing, especially in these conditions.
Lets come back to this topic in a month or so...when it has been driven in various countries under various conditions

[dimviii]

Haco i d like to measure meganeN4 outside France with an also good driver in a evo10/9 or sti n16.Today in France the drivers with evo9 and subis are no near in level as Guigu.Factory car against privateers with not good drivers are not going to show us the right results.

[urabus-denoS2000]

It-s just the first rally . Remember you comments in a month or two , and then see it the comments are still okay . People at Renault Sport are geniuses , they didn't make a single rally car in recent history which failed in any view , performance or sales . I agree , it's probably very boring , but it for sure won't be slow ;)

[dimviii]

the point is if a megane can be competitive against a traditional n4 evo-sti.All local championships have rallies with some snow,some mud,some rain,some dirty/slippery roads.If you were a driver will you choose a megane against a 4wd if your aims are at championship title in your class?
Of course renault-sport is a legend in rallies and all their cars were excellent against competition.But 2wd against 4wd in difficult conditions needs a miracle nowadays.
lets wait to see megan against a proper evo-sti with a good driver in some months and we will see.I just was waiting more against ds3/clios at Touquet

[N.O.T]

The megane was made more like a promotion of the road car rather than serious competition.....the fact they gave it to their advertisment driver shows that. None will risk buying this car outside of France, it is obvious and that hard to understand even if you started watch rallying 10 minutes ago.

[Francis44]

What did you expect?! It's a 2WD car, it's handicapped from the beginning, would you expect Renault to come in with a 2WD car and beat all Evos and Impreza which haven't had competition in their class all those years?! I hope this is just a way for Renault to gather data for a possible WRC programme.

[HaCo]

One is sold in Germany, that is outside of France ;)

Give the car a chance. If it's cheaper and faster than the Clio R3, some will be happy with it. If one day an R4 will come (4x4 or not), it will be even faster.

I read in an interview with Quensel that Citroen plans building an R4 as well, what would he have meant with that?

[Barreis]

Whatever car is I like rally.. :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

None will risk buying this car outside of France, it is obvious and that hard to understand even if you started watch rallying 10 minutes ago.

Yes , the fact that we already have them in 3 different countries even before it started a rally proves your point ;)

[N.O.T]

who are the drivers? and in which countries ?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Besides France ( Guigou and Consani ) there are Germany ( Carsten Mohe - presented his car today ) , Italy ( Stefano Albertini , Andrea Mezzogori ) and Switzerland ( Nicolas Maus )

[N.O.T]

so basically all of the renault promotional drivers in their respective countries....hmmmmm

[urabus-denoS2000]

Well , they are the first of course ;) I think the Megane will be a very good selling car . I mean , look at the 207 R3T . It's a catastrophic car , so slow and boring , and yet Italy and France are full of them .

[Mirek]

A lot of Méganes are going to be in IRC 2WD cup which is made simply for whatever with just two wheels driven.

Anyway I think that it will be quite reasonably cheaper to run than 4WD N4 and in south European asphalts (Touquet is not what I mean) it should be competitive enough in usual condition (by the way the Evo in front of Guigou is Gr.A, but of course Guigou should be better driver).

[Tom206wrc]

At rallye Pays du Gier(first leg yesterday with two night stages)swiss champion Grégoire Hotz dominated the S2000s in his Clio S1600 :eek:
Ivan Ballinari was 2nd, Laurent Reuche(first time driving a 4WD)third...

Interesting times by the F2000s with Jerôme Chavanne 4th, Sébastien Bugnet 6th and Emeric Robert 11th... :)

Once again the Citroën DS3s are in front of the Renault Clios in GrR(Antonio Galli 9th, Michaël Burri 10th) :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

As expected, Ballinari and Reuche are first and second after SS5 Rallye Pays du Gier today ;)
Also Althaus is climbing back, but Hotz still gets a 33" advantage before being kicked from podium :p :

[wwbroe]

Result of Rally du Touquet:

Clt N. Pilote Ecart
1er / Préc.
1 2 BRUNSON Eric
Subaru Impreza WRC 2:04:40:0
2 1 SNOBECK Dany
Citroën C4 WRC +0:31:2
+0:31:2
3 8 MAURIN Julien
Ford Fiesta S2000 +4:56:5
+4:25:3
4 3 ROCHE Pierre
Peugeot 307 WRC +6:19:9
+1:23:4
5 16 DELANOUE Damien
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 +7:45:5
+1:25:6
6 35 MARCHE Pierre
Subaru Impreza +8:23:5
+0:38:0
7 22 ROBERT Cédric
Citroën DS3 R3 +8:23:9
+0:00:4
8 23 AMOURETTE Marc
Citroën DS3 R3 +8:37:4
+0:13:5
9 20 GUIGOU Emmanuel
Renault Mégane RS +8:53:0
+0:15:6
10 27 PRINCEN Kris
Renault Clio R3 +9:44:9
+0:51:9

[Tom206wrc]

Laurent Reuche finally won the Rallye Pays du Gier :cool:
Ivan Ballinari finished 2nd and Grégoire Hotz 3rd(first of 2WD)

After Antonio Galli crashed earlier, Michaël Burri won the R3 group(9th overall)...

[Tom206wrc]

Pre-entrylist Terre des Causses available ;)
http://terre.des.causses.pagesperso-orange.fr/engages.htm

So Belgian Ghislain de Mevius will start his "french campaign" there :)



Can't believe my eyes: young promising dutch driver Kevin Abbring appeared on entrylist with a...Citroën D3 R3 :eek:

[MartijnS]

Quite a surprise :D Nice though!!

[br21]

Can't believe my eyes: young promising dutch driver Kevin Abbring appeared on entrylist with a...Citroën D3 R3 :eek:

true, can you post a link to gravel champs calendar & regulations please?

[Tom206wrc]

true, can you post a link to gravel champs calendar & regulations please?


http://www.terre-de-france.org/ sorry in french only :mark:

Edit: link to calendar though ;) http://www.terre-de-france.org/Calendrier.htm

[br21]

thanx. recce is just before the stages and done only once? any other interesting and uncommon rules?

[Tom206wrc]

Official entrylist in seeded order for the Rallye terre des Causses is at last available :)

Two Skoda Octavia WRCs from the belgian BMA Racing entered with Bernard Munster and Alain Devezat at the wheels :cool:

With the absence of Jean-Marie Cuoq the battle for victory will be opened and unsure :D
Although his whale will be at the event, I don't think Paul Chieusse is from the same level as Cuoq... ;)

[mousti]

Stefaan Prinzie will also do some rallies in Terre Championship with a BMA Impreza 555

[Tom206wrc]

Wim Soenens drives a Citroën Saxo T4(4WD)there too, one more belgian :)

[Tom206wrc]

Nicolas Vouilloz would be expected on a 207 S2000 on next week's rallye Grasse Fleurs et Parfums...I thought he should be helped by Skoda France for a 2011 campaign with Fabia S2000 :confused:

Let's see what he will do for Rallye Islas Canarias/IRC... :mark:

[Mirek]

Canarias? I think that Vouilloz will drive only Corse in IRC.

[Tom206wrc]

Ah OK Mirek ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Pre-entrylist rallye Lyon-Charbonnières available since several weeks :D
http://www.asarhone.com/v21/Charbonnieres/2011/Engages.asp

[br21]

Online results from Rallye terre des Causses will be available? Any more news from the rally? I can see few forfaits on entry list, most important I think Munster in Octavia WRC.

[MartijnS]

Abbring has the intention to drive the entire Gravel championship with the DS3.
First three rallies are sure for now. The car is run by Automecasolutions.

[Tom206wrc]

Online results from Rallye terre des Causses will be available? Any more news from the rally? I can see few forfaits on entry list, most important I think Munster in Octavia WRC.


Yep...two links ;)
http://www.brennusinfo.fr/2011/Causses2011/Causses.aspx
http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1362&catCourse=ral

[Tom206wrc]

7th fastest time for Kevin Abbring on SS1 rallye terre des Causses :D
But stage was short, next one is another story(22km) :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Germain Bonnefis, leader of the french Volant 207 ahead of Abbring finally :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Incredible the jump forward the 207 R3T has done since last year :eek:
They are fully able to fight for top 2WD in R3 category now :)

In the DS3 clan, Abbring lost quite a lot on SS2 and gets now 17" to catch on rallycrossman Davy Jeanney :mark:
But first positions R3 are Bonnefis, Ancian, Blanc, Marché(all from Volant 207), Salin(first Clio R3 driver),...


Edit: overall leader is Laurent Carbonaro(Focus) ahead of Gascou(207 S2000)and Paul Chieusse(ex-Cuoq's whale, but he has to sweep the road for the others)...leading GrN is Hervé Guignard(4th)ahead of Finn Saku Verimaa(6th)...

[MartijnS]

The times of Abbring are wrong apparently, he called another Dutch driver that he's way faster than is visible on the websites above.

[Tom206wrc]

You mean his time in SS2 is wrong ???? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

They corrected SS2 terre des Causses on FFSA website !!!! Abbring 10th fastest, ahead the Volant 207 drivers :D

[MartijnS]

Yeah, the organisation thought he started a minute earlier or something, so they had to take some time off his total time :)
He's 8th overall :D

[br21]

any photos from day one?

[Tom206wrc]

Start leg 2 terre des Causses now :)
Will be damn hard for the 2WD cars today with rain and mud awaited :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

I'm worrying :( SS6 terre des Causses is stopped since several hours now, following crash of Matthieu Margaillan(driver of the Volant 207)...no news yet, except it's not written if the crew is or not injured...I'm worrying :(

[Tom206wrc]

Finally SS6 terre des Causses cancelled and SS7 currently running...

Codriver Mathilde Margaillan(driver's sister)was unhurt in the crash on SS6, but Matthieu has been injured to leg and shoulder :mark:

[MartijnS]

Final stage cancelled according to brennisinfo.fr?
Great result of Abbring, 7th overall! :D

[br21]

why last stage was cancelled?
photos from the rally?

[Tom206wrc]

why last stage was cancelled?
photos from the rally?

Serious accident of Matthieu Margaillan(driver in the Volant 207) injured to his legs :(
Some rumours says his 207 would have completely burnt and some spectators would also have been hit :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

A "few" pics of terre des Causses on this page: http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/rallye/sujet3496-350.htm ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

There is a good entry list for a regional rally next weekend, the 52. Rallye Grasse Fleurs et Parfums in Southern France. Romain Dumas (997 GT3), Nicolas Vouilloz (207 S2000) and Dominique de Meyer (307 WRC) are the favourites for the victory. There are also Michel Boetti (207 S2000), Jacques Seret (Mégane Maxi) and fast Group N driver Franck Lions (Lancer Evo 10).

This rally is also the second round for the French Renault Clio R3 Trophy. Belgian driver Kris Princen leads the Trophy after the first round in Le Touquet and his aim is to try to win this title this year. His main opponents in this rally should be Thomas Barral, Olivier Courtois and maybe the local drivers Philippe Barbero and Frédérique Papavero. There are also 2 new Group N Méganes with Jacques Brilli and Robert Consani.

Entry list: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-engages-rallye-grasse-fleurs-et-parfums-2011/

[Tom206wrc]

Pre-entrylist rallye Lyon-Charbonnières available since several weeks :D
http://www.asarhone.com/v21/Charbonnieres/2011/Engages.asp


Official from the FFSA website: Alexandre Bengué will drive the Mini S2000 at Lyon-Charbonnières next week(although not on entrylist yet) :cool:

[mousti]

A guy who went to Touquet and Epernay said Quentin Gilbert is the new Ogier! Is he so good ! His results were pretty good there.

[pucky54]

A guy who went to Touquet and Epernay said Quentin Gilbert is the new Ogier! Is he so good ! His results were pretty good there.

cannot be. his name is not Sebastien ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Livery of David Salanon's 207 S2000(same as his 306 Maxi livery)he will use in this week-end's rallye Monts du Lyonnais as preparation of next week rallye Lyon-Charbonnières :cool:
http://www.pam-sport.com/


PS: note that Alexandre Bengué and his Mini S2000 are entered in Trophée Michelin on Charbonnières entrylist ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Oh NOOOOO !!! Just learnt the Mini S2000 won't be ready in time, so Bengué forfait from Lyon-Charbonnières :mad:
:(

[Barreis]

Bad news.

[Tom206wrc]

Start rallye Grasse Fleurs et Parfums in about one hour ;)
http://www.patricksoft.fr/

Very interesting to follow Romain Dumas and his Porsche "latest generation" because it should show what the value of the car is for next week Lyon-Charbonnières(especially the trophée Michelin where he'll run) :)

[Tom206wrc]

After two stages of Grasse Fleurs et Parfums, Dumas 2nd overall behind Vouilloz !!! Not bad for a debut of the big Porsche :D

[Sulland]

Incredible the jump forward the 207 R3T has done since last year :eek:

I think they went from 28 to 29mm restrictor since last year.

[Tom206wrc]

Retirement of Dumas before second leg of Grasse Fleurs et Parfums...its not the first time his Porsche evo breaks down :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

Last week-end David Salanon(207 S2000)won rallye Monts du Lyonnais, ahead of Gilles Nantet(BMW F2000)and Yves Pezzuti(306 Maxi) ;)
These 3 drivers will take part to Lyon-Charbonnières this comin week-end, but apart Salanon they won't be at the wheels of the same cars(Mitsu GrN for Pezzuti, Porsche GT+ fr Nantet) ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Armando Pereira's new Ford Focus WRC(he will use it Lyon-Charbonnières this week-end) ;)
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/rallye/sujet3381-595.htm

[Walach]

How fast is he? Quite a unknown name for me... ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

Pereira is a gentlemen-driver who drove in the past an Impreza WRC, 206 WRC and 307 WRC. Even for a gentlemen-driver, he is slow...

[Tom206wrc]

Yep, he will only bring diversity to the rally cars present at Charbonnières :p :

[Walach]

Ok, thanks mates. :)

[Tom206wrc]

First pics of today's shakedown/rallye Lyon-Charbonnières :)
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/rallye/sujet3527-630.htm

Of course, Charbonnières being a very popular rally in France, you'll find many more pictures(and videos)in the forum mentioned above all along the event...so stay tuned :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Start SS1 /Lyon-Charbonnières now :cool:
VHC are ahead of modern car on today leg ;)

http://www.patricksoft.fr/

[Wim_Impreza]

Patricksoft is as usually down.

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic show by the Porsche drivers, Dumas being 4th overall and Nantet 6th overall after leg one Lyon-Charbo'(both being 1-2 of the trophée Michelin far ahead of Salanon's 207 S2000) :cool: