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Jarek Z
19th March 2010, 23:10
Bouffier only fourth after SS4, not as good as I expected. Go Bryan!
I'm wondering... Does it give any pleasure to Tsjoen to win rallies only by having a better car than all others?
Wim_Impreza
20th March 2010, 08:33
Bouffier only fourth after SS4, not as good as I expected. Go Bryan!
I'm wondering... Does it give any pleasure to Tsjoen to win rallies only by having a better car than all others?
Unfortunately yes. With all the money of his uncle, in my opinion he could better drive a whole season in IRC with a S2000 car.
The British driver Sebastian Ling is really a class of his own in the Group N and is at this moment 3rd overall, even ahead of all the S2000's.
Wim_Impreza
20th March 2010, 20:56
Patricksoft and ffsa.org aren't again working for the whole day.
AndyRAC
20th March 2010, 21:13
Just wondering - what is the total amount of kms for this Rally?
Seeing as our BRC start next weekend, and it's 'only' 80m (128km) over 1 day.
wwbroe
21st March 2010, 08:49
The total number of Kms is 231,15, devided in to three days of rallying. The rally started on friday with 43,25 Kms of competitive stages. On saturday they have the big part with 145,99 Kms and today, sunday there are 41,91 Kms of stages. Hope this answers your question? ;)
wwbroe
21st March 2010, 08:53
Neuville is doing another great performance in Touquet. On the opening stage of today he realised the second best time overall and jumps to fourth overall. :eek:
Tsjoen is really in control of this rally, leading by almost six minutes from another Belgian driver, Claudie Tanghe in his old Toyota Celica. :)
noel157
21st March 2010, 13:50
Good result from the young Belgian.
Has anybody got a link to the Citroen Racing Trophy championship?
AndyRAC
22nd March 2010, 21:52
The total number of Kms is 231,15, devided in to three days of rallying. The rally started on friday with 43,25 Kms of competitive stages. On saturday they have the big part with 145,99 Kms and today, sunday there are 41,91 Kms of stages. Hope this answers your question? ;)
Yes, thank you!! Quite interesting, just as I suspected.
Eyvind
24th March 2010, 11:56
Has anybody got a link to the Citroen Racing Trophy championship?
I'm also interested in that link...
Wim_Impreza
24th March 2010, 12:21
Here is the link: http://www.citroenracingtrophy.be/c2r2max.php
Standings after 2 rallies: http://www.citroenracingtrophy.be/photos/Tank%20S%202010/classement%20points.pdf
This is the Citroën Benelux Racing Trophy, I don't know a link to the French championship.
Tom206wrc
26th March 2010, 12:56
Hey !!! Rallye du Gier starting today, event counting for the french cup championship and the swiss rally championship :)
Results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/
I guess overall favourite is Grégoire Hotz ;)
But carefull to french David Salanon and Gilles Nantet though :p :
Curiosity: Arnaud Monnet running for the first time in an S2000 :confused:
Tom206wrc
26th March 2010, 13:00
Next week first round of the french gravel championship, the terre des Causses :cool:
Melissa Debackere in C2R2 Max there :bounce:
http://www.rallye-des-causses.org/
Tom206wrc
26th March 2010, 13:36
By the way, fantastic entrylist this week-end in Corsica at the Ronde de la Giraglia :D
http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye_frame.php?id=1159
Wim_Impreza
26th March 2010, 16:31
That are 'only' gentlemen-drivers Tom. I don't see a big name on the entry list, so you can't call it fantastic.
Mirek
26th March 2010, 17:13
It's fantastic because there is aloooot of Peugeots, Wim :D
Wim_Impreza
26th March 2010, 17:39
Good one, Mirek. ;)
Tom206wrc
27th March 2010, 07:26
Hey !!! Rallye du Gier starting today, event counting for the french cup championship and the swiss rally championship :)
Results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/
I guess overall favourite is Grégoire Hotz
But carefull to french David Salanon and Gilles Nantet though :p :
Curiosity: Arnaud Monnet running for the first time in an S2000 :confused:
No surprise after two long night stages yesterday...best swiss Grégoire Hotz leading, best french David Salanon in 2nd ;)
First leg was late following swiss driver Pascal Perroud crash on SS1(both driver and codriver thankfully unhurt) :mark:
Fantastic run by the Porsches, Véricel ahead of Nantet(3rd and 4th overall)
Good start by Bonnefis who leads the GrR...
noel157
27th March 2010, 15:56
Thanks for the links Wim but I was looking for the French Citroen Racing Trophy.
Tom, can you help? Thanks.
vino_93
27th March 2010, 18:13
And this week end, very interesting rally in Epernay :D Shame that the weather is very bad, with a lot of rain sunday :( So I don't come to see this rallye, with this nice entry list :
WRC :
Alain Vauthier (206), Eric Brunson (Impreza), Jose Barbara (Impreza), Jean Galpin (Impreza), Christophe Vaison (206), Armando Pereira (307)
S2000 :
Jean Luc Roché (207)
KC :
Daniel Fores (306), Stéphane Baudier (Clio)
A8 :
Jean Pierre Ronfort (Celica), Rudy Charreyre (Escort), Pascal Entz (Escort)
And Trophée Clio R3 :) , few S1600, N4 (Bourgeois, Genre), ...
And the Rallye Ronde de la Giraglia (the second most important rally in Corsica) :
WRC :
Pascal Trojani (307), Jean Jacques Padovani (Xsara), Stéphane Ramora (307), Charles Zuccarelli (307), Paul Alerini (206), José Micheli (206)
S2000 :
François Leandri (207), Jean François Marchi (207)
KC :
Bertrand Ramora (Mégane), Christian Boeri (306)
etc etc :)
And the Pays de Gier :D
S2000 :
Hotz (207), Luyet (Punto), Perroud (207), Greiffenberg (Punto), Althaus (207), Monnet (207)
KC :
Salanon (306), Socchi (KAdett), Mottard (306), Prats (Clio), Clairet (306)
Others :
Pezzutti (Escort), Nantet (Porsche), Véricel (Porsche)
vino_93
27th March 2010, 18:15
Thanks for the links Wim but I was looking for the French Citroen Racing Trophy.
Tom, can you help? Thanks.
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroen.com/CWW/fr-FR/SPORT/CitroenSportParts/citroen_racing_trophy/
Tom206wrc
28th March 2010, 09:22
Victory for Grégoire Hotz ahead of David Salanon and Gilles Nantet at the Rallye Pays du Gier :)
In swiss championship Hotz takes the lead ahead of Nicolas Althaus and Rudy Schmidlin ;)
Tom206wrc
29th March 2010, 10:19
To follow this week rallye terre des Causses http://www.mks2.fr/ ;)
noel157
29th March 2010, 18:07
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroen.com/CWW/fr-FR/SPORT/CitroenSportParts/citroen_racing_trophy/
Thanks Vino.
Tom206wrc
2nd April 2010, 15:37
To follow this week rallye terre des Causses http://www.mks2.fr/ ;)
Oops sorry it wasn't the right link :s
http://www.brennusinfo.fr/2010/Causses2010/Causses.aspx
Tom206wrc
3rd April 2010, 07:44
Rallye Alsace-Vosges(3rd event of french tarmac championship)definitely cancelled for lack of budget(main budget going to the WRC event) ;(
Tom206wrc
3rd April 2010, 12:27
After SS2 rallye terre des Causses Jean-Marie Cuoq has already a very big advantage :eek:
Best non-french driver is Estonian Siaku Verimaa(never heard about him :confused: )5th overall; problem for Belgians(Bruyneel and Munster both on Skoda WRCs)...??? :mark:
http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1147&catCourse=ral
Now I wait for Melissa Debackere time on SS1 :p :
Wim_Impreza
3rd April 2010, 14:34
It is Sakari (Saku) Vierimaa, a Finnish driver who won in 1987 the Finnish Rally Championship with a Mazda 323 4WD. He was born on 11 April 1956. His best WRC result was 12th in the Lombard RAC Rally in 1988. He took twice a podium in the ADMV Pneumant Rallye (3rd in 2000 and 2nd in 2002) and was 4th in the ADMV Lausitz Rally 2004, counting for the German Rally Championship. He did of course Rally Finland (best result there: 19th in 1984 with an Opel Ascona) and Arctic Lapland Rally (best result there: 2nd in 1995 with Ford Sierra RS Cosworth 4x4) many times and retired in the Rajd Polski 2005 with a Subaru Impreza WRX STI. The reason was that he was out of fuel in that rally.
Tom206wrc
3rd April 2010, 16:36
Retirement with mechanical problem for Dominique Bruyneel and Saku Vierimaa :(
Bernard Munster was forfait before start of rally :mark:
End of day one terre des Causses, two Peugeots, a Ford and a Skoda in front(Cuoq, Chieusse, Carbonaro and Bonato), then the S2000(Doux)... ;)
Tomorrow four more stages to end the rally...
PS: Mélissa Debackere is 50th overall after SS3(about 10th of the Citroën Racing Trophy)
Tom206wrc
4th April 2010, 16:48
Victory for Jean-Marie Cuoq at the terre des Causses in front of Yoann Bonato in the Auriol Competition's Skoda Octavia and Paul Chieusse ;)
Best GrN was Arnaud Morel(6th overall)
Winner of the Citroën Racing Trophy on gravel was Marc Amourette ahead of Manu Gascou and Nicolas Gajek...Mélissa Debackere finished 6th in the CRT for her first ;)
Next event of the french gravel championship will be terre de l'Auxerrois in about three weeks(23/25th of april)...
urabus-denoS2000
4th April 2010, 18:15
6th out of 10 at the finish. That just proves how moderate she is Tom ;)
Tom206wrc
5th April 2010, 08:42
Pre-entrylist Rallye Lyon-Charbonnières :)
http://www.asarhone.com/v21/Charbonnieres/2010/Engages.asp
Expect full entrylist by the end of this week, as the 2nd round of french tarmac championship will be held next week...
If the rumour is true(Cédric Robert in...a WHALE!!!)it'll be a very hard task for Pieter Tsjoen to win the event :p :
Tom206wrc
9th April 2010, 08:28
Robert on the entrylist of rallye Lyon-Charbonnières with the whale from GPC :bounce:
Damn...can't wait for next week :cool:
vino_93
9th April 2010, 11:33
Nice entry list :)
Tom206wrc
16th April 2010, 13:27
Start SS1 rallye Lyon-Charbonnières in about one hour(3.38pm gmt+2) :bounce:
http://www.patricksoft.fr/
noel157
16th April 2010, 16:09
Let's hope Tsjoen has some competition. Robert fastest on SS1 from the Belgian but not by much but he should gather up some speed over the next few stages.
HaCo
16th April 2010, 16:29
Next stage they have the same time, great!
Tom206wrc
17th April 2010, 06:32
In fact 7.3" is the gap between Robert and Tsjoen at the end of leg one(5 stages)... ;)
Great fight to expect today :bounce:
Fantastic run by Romain Dumas in the Porsche GT(5th overall) :eek:
Gilles Nantet on another one Porsche went off and retired :mark:
No surprise in S2000, Bryan Bouffier is above all other entrants(4th overall)...
Great fight in F2000 too between Chavanne, Dommerdich and Longépé with his gorgeous 406 :D
wwbroe
17th April 2010, 18:34
Tsjoen seems to have retired, Robert going to take easy victory in front of Snobeck and Bouffier. ;)
Wim_Impreza
17th April 2010, 18:58
Tsjoen is third.
Tom206wrc
17th April 2010, 19:03
Gearbox problem for "Tchoune" he has to cope with it until the arrival of Lyon-Charbo' :(
Tom206wrc
17th April 2010, 20:05
Next week is rallye terre de l'Auxerrois, 2nd round of french gravel championship ;)
Very interesting provisionnal entrylist, and among non-french drivers are a handful of Belgians of course, but also the return of German Karl-Friedrich "Charlie" Beck after two years absence, and Swiss Laurent Reuche who has a big opportunity to win the first round of the Volant Peugeot 207 R3T :D
http://www.asa-auxerrois.com/terre.htm (see "liste engagés")
Salist
20th April 2010, 11:12
Photos from Rallye Lyon-Charbonnières???
Tom206wrc
22nd April 2010, 14:04
Live results Terre Auxerrois(starting from saturday) ;)
http://www.brennusinfo.fr/2010/Auxerrois2010/Auxerrois.aspx
http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1148&catCourse=ral
vino_93
24th April 2010, 19:08
After Day 1 :
1 Cuoq (206 WRC)
2 Jacquot (207 S2000) +1'12"5
3 Carbonaro (Focus WRC) +1'53"9
4 Bruyneel (Octavia WRC) +1'54"6
5 Tanghe (Celica GT4) +1'58"3
6 Doux (207 S2000) +1'59"9
7 Morel (Impreza Sti) +2'33"1
8 Guignard (Lancer Evo IX) +2'42"5
9 Rivière (Lancer Evo IX) +3'43"1
10 Hennion (Impreza Sti) +3'59"6
Reuche is the first of the Peugeot trophy :p
Tom206wrc
24th April 2010, 20:26
No, the first of the Volant 207 after day one is still Jérémi Ancian(notional time in SS5) ;)
But Reuche and Bonnefis are cloth and tomorrow there are still 4 stages to go :)
Edit: Karl-Friedrich Beck is 9th overall for his first on a Mitsubishi GrN :D
Tom206wrc
17th May 2010, 20:48
Hey !!! A greek crew in french Clio Cup running this coming week-end(rallye de la Sainte-Baume) :confused:
http://www.patricksoft.fr/
In Peugeot 207 Cup serious chance of podium for Swiss Laurent Reuche(but fast drivers are on the list though) :cool:
tolis
17th May 2010, 21:33
Hey !!! A greek crew in french Clio Cup running this coming week-end(rallye de la Sainte-Baume) :confused:
http://www.patricksoft.fr/
In Peugeot 207 Cup serious chance of podium for Swiss Laurent Reuche(but fast drivers are on the list though) :cool:
Yes, Tom!!!! :) His name is Konstantinos Varnakiotis. He used to drive a Fiesta ST last year and took part in 1-2 Italian rallies with that car. He also drove some Greek tarmac rounds last year. He is 36 years old and nothing special. I think it's his first appearance with that car!!! Good luck to him!!!
GO Konstantinos!!! :bounce:
Tom206wrc
23rd May 2010, 11:55
Belgian Gaby Goudezeune in VW Polo S2000 RGRS at next week Rallye des Vins de Mâcon :)
http://www.rallyedesvinsmacon.com/communs/course/engages.php
Tom206wrc
25th May 2010, 19:03
On no, Goudezeune wounded in an accident while testing his S2000, he's thus forfait... :(
vino_93
26th May 2010, 09:34
:(
The Rallye du Pays de Faverges will be very interesting too ! Robert will start with a 207 S2000 :cool: Maybe it's a test for the rest of the season, with the 207 ? It would be great to see Robert vs Bouffier with 207 :cool:
Tom206wrc
29th May 2010, 19:37
Tragedy at the Rallye des Vins de Mâcon this evening !!! Driver #22, Laurent Duverne(Ford Sierra Cosworth GrA)went off the road on SS5 and heavily crashed...despite the speed of the rescue service on stage after the accident, he died quickly ;(
RIP Laurent
Condolences, to Mr Duverne's family
Wish a speedy recovery to his injured codriver(carried to hospital)...
:(
vino_93
30th May 2010, 10:47
RIP Laurent :(
jbmarcus21
2nd June 2010, 14:45
RIP ...
My video of the rally : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/vinsmacon10.htm
Tom206wrc
2nd June 2010, 17:06
On friday we should get entrylist of Rallye du Limousin, 2nd round of french tarmac championship ;)
Tom206wrc
4th June 2010, 17:12
Official entrylist Rallye du Limousin(held next week) !!!
http://asalac.free.fr/RallyeRLRLV2010/Engages2010/EngNumCourse10.pdf
Frankly I'd have prefered Pieter Tsjoen to be on entrylistwith the 207 S2000 in order to train for Ypres Rally !!! :mark:
He can't be beaten with the Focus on Limousin, no contender with cars able to give him run for his money :s
Wim_Impreza
5th June 2010, 06:52
That should be a very easy victory for Tsjoen again as there is no other topdriver in a WRC. It was indeed better for him and for people who follow the rally on internet to drive with the S2000 here with Bouffier and Robert in a same car. Strange that the Clio's R3, except of Guigou, are so far on the entry list.
What is the French tarmac champion of last year, Guillaume Canivenq, doing Tom? Do you know his program?
Surprising that there will be a Greek team. :)
Tom206wrc
5th June 2010, 07:42
Unfortunately no news about Canivenq :(
vino_93
5th June 2010, 11:31
Canivenq wants to do some IRC events. But ... :(
So it's the same for Barrosso Sport (team of Canivenq) whichi doesn't engage any car in french championship or french rallyes this year :(
Al Rajhi will start 3 gravel events this :D Picardie, Cardabelles and Vaucluse :cool:
Not very good for Limousin ... I heard that Rousselot will come back in the championship :D
Tom206wrc
5th June 2010, 11:44
According to Autohebdo Rousselot will drive a WHALE on next Rallye de Lorraine :p :
vino_93
5th June 2010, 12:54
Ah, yes it's this :) It'll be very interesting to see him after his retire :p
Jarek Z
6th June 2010, 12:00
Frankly I'd have prefered Pieter Tsjoen to be on entrylistwith the 207 S2000 in order to train for Ypres Rally !!! :mark:
He can't be beaten with the Focus on Limousin, no contender with cars able to give him run for his money :s
I agree Tom. Tsjoen is strange. I will never understand what is the fun and sense of driving a better car than anyone else and cruising to the finish line.
J4MIE
12th June 2010, 12:39
Are there any events that take place near Bordeaux? I just discovered I can get cheap flights out there at weekends and have always fancied going to some events in France :up: Are any within a few hours drive? I don't suppose there is anything on next weekend?? :)
HaCo
12th June 2010, 15:53
I agree Tom. Tsjoen is strange. I will never understand what is the fun and sense of driving a better car than anyone else and cruising to the finish line.
Because the Belgian Championship still allows top WRC's, his uncle bought this WRC few years ago. You find it more logic to keep it in the garage and not use it because the competition finds it too expensive?
Btw he will start in Ypres with a pug 207, so he doesn't avoid challenges. The reason why he starts in French championship was also to find new challenges. In the past there were nice 307's and Subaru's in France, but it isn't his fault they do not want (or can) drive it.
You can only blame the regulations than blame Tsjoen. And as far as cruising is concerned: it probably looks a lot more easy than it really is. Like his biggest rival Snijers says: only a good car is not enough (he talks about Tsjoen not about himself LOL ;) ).
Btw, at the finish the third Ronde de Vassivières, he shares the lead with Bouffier :)
Raven
12th June 2010, 17:36
HaCo, he can sell his Focus WRC and buy S2000. That would be a better decision and more fun (challenge) for the driver.
DonJippo
12th June 2010, 17:37
Are there any events that take place near Bordeaux? I just discovered I can get cheap flights out there at weekends and have always fancied going to some events in France :up: Are any within a few hours drive? I don't suppose there is anything on next weekend?? :)
This might help you http://www.ffsa.org/pratiquer/calendrier.php :)
HaCo
12th June 2010, 18:42
HaCo, he can sell his Focus WRC and buy S2000. That would be a better decision and more fun (challenge) for the driver.
Not in Belgium as WRC's are still allowed. Look at Loix, he can hardly fight for a podium in his Skoda. It's the rules.
Tsjoen is missing in the last splits :(
Wim_Impreza
12th June 2010, 20:19
Not in Belgium as WRC's are still allowed. Look at Loix, he can hardly fight for a podium in his Skoda. It's the rules.
Tsjoen is missing in the last splits :(
Tsjoen could drive with the Focus WRC'05. Than we could have very nice battles for the lead with Snijers and van Eldik in the Belgian championship. If Tsjoen wins than again, it should be much more nice victories and people could say that he won also due to talent. Now he has by far the best car and the biggest budget. I don't understand why he didn't want to drive IRC rallies except Ypres with a S2000 car as he has the budget.
He crashed in this rally.
urabus-denoS2000
12th June 2010, 20:44
Well maybe he drives it for pure pleasure which is what 99,99 % of rally drivers do ( since they are not professionals) ;)
Mirek
12th June 2010, 21:28
Tsjoen could drive with the Focus WRC'05. Than we could have very nice battles for the lead with Snijers and van Eldik in the Belgian championship. If Tsjoen wins than again, it should be much more nice victories and people could say that he won also due to talent. Now he has by far the best car and the biggest budget. I don't understand why he didn't want to drive IRC rallies except Ypres with a S2000 car as he has the budget.
I wouldn't bash him. It's his choice and he can drive whatever he is allowed.
But anyway when I was in belgium I was quite surprised to see almost no interest in Tsjoen in service park compared to crowds following Loix or Snijers...
Wim_Impreza
12th June 2010, 21:52
Mirek: Loix and Snijers are much more popular than Tsjoen, that is true. Tsjoen drives almost never spectacular while Loix and for sure Snijers drives much more spectacular. ;)
urabus: If you had the budget to drive a lot of IRC rounds, some other nice European rallies and your biggest national championship round in the same year, I am almost sure you want to try this and not to drive for the 10th time a full national championship with almost always the same rallies. ;)
urabus-denoS2000
12th June 2010, 23:09
Who knows Wim , a WRC is a WRC no matter what . Surely none of us can get into his head ;)
Jarek Z
13th June 2010, 13:11
Wow! I'm very happy! I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but Bryan Bouffier managed to win this rally! Excellent job Bryan! Tsjoen went off the road when he was trying to catch the sympathetic Frenchman. Cedric Robert was second.
44. RONDE LIMOUSINE-REGION LIMOUSIN-VASSIVIERE:
1. Bryan Bouffier/Xavier Panseri (F) Peugeot 207 S2000 2:09.07,2 (1. A7S)
2. Cedric Robert/Matthieu Duval (F) Peugeot 207 S2000 +1.50,1 (2. A7S)
3. Pierre Roche/Martine Roche (F) Subaru Impreza WRC S8 +4.22,8 (1. A8W)
4. Jean-Charles Beaubelique/Julien Vial (F) Peugeot 206 WRC +6.37,1 (2. A8W)
5. Clement Dub/Pierre Mazoyer (F) Fiat Punto Abarth S2000 7.53,7 (3. A7S)
6. Pierre Marche/Julien Rebut (F) Peugeot 207 RC +10.30,4 (1. R3)
7. Laurent Reuche/Thierry Schoeni (F) Peugeot 207 RC +11.19,7 (2. R3)
8. Eric Mauffrey/Gaëtan Houssin (F) Renault Clio R3 +11.31,9 (3. R3)
9. Arnaud Augoyard/Olivier Ural (F) Renault Clio S1600 +11.44,8 (1. A6K)
10. Marc Amourete/Gwenola Marie (F) Citroen C2 S1600 +12.03,7 (2. A6K)
French championship standings:
1. Bouffier 41, 2. Robert 36, 3. Tsjoen 32, 4. Roche 28, 5. Guigou 25, 6. Amourette 22.
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201006/news20100613_30297.jpg
Mirek
13th June 2010, 17:38
Tsjoen went off the road when he was trying to catch the sympathetic Frenchman.
It sounds like there was some direct fight but although it may look like that from times the reason why they were equal two stages before the accident was that Tsjoen had a puncture on some previous stage. Otherwise he was much faster than Bouffier (which is understandable).
HaCo
13th June 2010, 18:29
Tsjoen could drive with the Focus WRC'05. Than we could have very nice battles for the lead with Snijers and van Eldik in the Belgian championship. If Tsjoen wins than again, it should be much more nice victories and people could say that he won also due to talent. Now he has by far the best car and the biggest budget. I don't understand why he didn't want to drive IRC rallies except Ypres with a S2000 car as he has the budget.
He crashed in this rally.
Well, like I said before. They have bought the car, he could better use it than leave it in the garage. And for why he doesn't drive IRC, because he finds himselfe a gentleman driver, not a pro, which is a pitty, because I think he has great talents.
Still it is due to the rules that big money wins from lower budget.
Raven
13th June 2010, 20:55
What happened to Cedric? He was close to Bryan after first day?
Mirek
14th June 2010, 12:08
He had some problem with right door which were still opened. He drove later with door from standard 207.
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/276669/DSCF8183.jpg
vino_93
14th June 2010, 17:31
Wow! I'm very happy! I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but Bryan Bouffier managed to win this rally! Excellent job Bryan! Tsjoen went off the road when he was trying to catch the sympathetic Frenchman. Cedric Robert was second.
44. RONDE LIMOUSINE-REGION LIMOUSIN-VASSIVIERE:
1. Bryan Bouffier/Xavier Panseri (F) Peugeot 207 S2000 2:09.07,2 (1. A7S)
2. Cedric Robert/Matthieu Duval (F) Peugeot 207 S2000 +1.50,1 (2. A7S)
3. Pierre Roche/Martine Roche (F) Subaru Impreza WRC S8 +4.22,8 (1. A8W)
4. Jean-Charles Beaubelique/Julien Vial (F) Peugeot 206 WRC +6.37,1 (2. A8W)
5. Clement Dub/Pierre Mazoyer (F) Fiat Punto Abarth S2000 7.53,7 (3. A7S)
6. Pierre Marche/Julien Rebut (F) Peugeot 207 RC +10.30,4 (1. R3)
7. Laurent Reuche/Thierry Schoeni (F) Peugeot 207 RC +11.19,7 (2. R3)
8. Eric Mauffrey/Gaëtan Houssin (F) Renault Clio R3 +11.31,9 (3. R3)
9. Arnaud Augoyard/Olivier Ural (F) Renault Clio S1600 +11.44,8 (1. A6K)
10. Marc Amourete/Gwenola Marie (F) Citroen C2 S1600 +12.03,7 (2. A6K)
French championship standings:
1. Bouffier 41, 2. Robert 36, 3. Tsjoen 32, 4. Roche 28, 5. Guigou 25, 6. Amourette 22.
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201006/news20100613_30297.jpg
It's not the right classification. This is after 2 rallies ;) We still wait for the good classification ... the FFSA isn't fast :(
vespa63
15th June 2010, 09:04
Some pictures here http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/8408
vino_93
15th June 2010, 13:55
It's not the right classification. This is after 2 rallies ;) We still wait for the good classification ... the FFSA isn't fast :(
oups sorry, it's the good. There was a mistake about the number of rallies by drivers on the website, but not for the points. Sorry :s
Jarek Z
19th June 2010, 10:39
And for why he doesn't drive IRC, because he finds himselfe a gentleman driver, not a pro, which is a pitty, because I think he has great talents.
Well, judging from the events that Tsjoen chooses and the car he drives, he is a typical gentleman driver. Which is very sad, because in my opinion, he had papers to achieve much much more in this sport. I still remember his great win over Gregoire de Mevius in 2001 Ypres Rally. At that time I thought Tsjoen will become another great Belgian driver in ERC or even WRC. I heard that he had plans to compete in European Championship in 2004 in the same team with Bruno Thiry (http://rallyonline.pl:84/ft.php?idg=504&pg_[go]=20). Unfortunately, it didn't work out. I think that since then, Tsjoen's career started to go downhill... :(
Tom206wrc
22nd June 2010, 20:32
A german crew among the Citroën Racing Trophy at the Rallye de Lorraine this week-end :confused:
Uwe Gropp/Hans-Peter Loth ;)
Wim_Impreza
22nd June 2010, 21:11
A german crew among the Citroën Racing Trophy at the Rallye de Lorraine this week-end :confused:
Uwe Gropp/Hans-Peter Loth ;)
Of course the team will be there. Rallye de Lorraine is the third round of the Euro Rallye Trophée. This team drives all the rallies of this trophy.
http://www.euro-rallye-trophee.eu/
Tom206wrc
1st July 2010, 19:41
Next week rallye du Rouergue, 4th event of french tarmac championship ;)
Dub, Gal, Bouffier, Ancian all in S2000s, Tsjoen, Robert, Dacunha, Roché and Beaubelique all in WRCs :)
http://www.rallyerouergue.com/
vino_93
3rd July 2010, 23:21
I'll be there :p
But, shame, the Rallye Terre de Picardie is cancelled ... :(
Tom206wrc
7th July 2010, 18:24
Rallye International de la Côte chalonnaise(Dijon Côte d'Or)this week-end ;)
http://www.ribcc.com/
Tom206wrc
8th July 2010, 09:20
Start first leg Rouergue tomorrow evening(night leg) :)
http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye_frame.php?id=1259
Raven
8th July 2010, 09:36
Robert in wrc :(
I was expecting another fight between him and Bouffier.
Wim_Impreza
8th July 2010, 20:29
Tsjoen has now some opposition and that is also good.
Jarek Z
11th July 2010, 16:06
Bouffier went off the road and is out of Rally de Rouergue. He was third before the accident happened. Robert is leading the event, Tsjoen is nearly a minute behind.
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201007/news20100711_30814.jpg
Jarek Z
11th July 2010, 16:12
Update - Cedric Robert (Pug 307 WRC) wins the rally, 50 seconds before Pieter Tsjoen (Ford Focus WRC). Third is Jean-Michel da Cunha (over 6 mins behind the winner, in another 307 WRC).
Picture of the winning car:
http://www.ffsa.org/images/home/Dppi_01510007_024.jpg
Tom206wrc
13th July 2010, 12:39
Rallye International de la Côte chalonnaise(Dijon Côte d'Or)this week-end ;)
http://www.ribcc.com/
Strange no belgian of the forum commented that "old" Hubert Deferm won at Dijon in his Subaru Impreza WRC :confused:
Tom206wrc
13th July 2010, 12:44
By the way, next week is the 5th round of french gravel championship, the Terre de Langres ;)
Provisional entrylist available
http://asalangres.free.fr
jbmarcus21
24th July 2010, 22:25
Pics from Terre de Langres...
all the pics ... http://planetemarcus.free.fr/terredelangres10.htm
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4303a.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4309.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4316.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4317.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4331.jpg
jbmarcus21
24th July 2010, 22:26
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4342.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4344.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4363.jpg
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/4365.jpg
Tom206wrc
25th July 2010, 09:25
By the way, next week is the 5th round of french gravel championship, the Terre de Langres
Provisional entrylist available
http://asalangres.free.fr
After day one yesterday, Bruyneel 2nd overall behind unbeatable Cuoq ;)
http://www.brennusinfo.fr/2010/Langres2010/Langres.aspx
Edit: WHAT ???? All stages of today cancelled ???? :eek: :confused:
jbmarcus21
25th July 2010, 09:30
Yesterday, one spectator died after a rally car crash.. :( ...
Organisation had decided to stop the rally at the end of DAY1 ;)
Tom206wrc
25th July 2010, 12:22
Yep I discovered these sad news later ;(
RIP, condolences to family...
Tom206wrc
9th August 2010, 21:14
Pre-entrylist Rallye du Mont-Blanc(2nd-4th september)available ;)
http://asacmontblanc.pagesperso-orange.fr/liste.pdf
vino_93
10th August 2010, 09:05
Roché with 307, it cool be interesting :) Nice to see Lionel Baud with the 206 WRC for the first time in French Tarmac Championship :p
Tom206wrc
14th August 2010, 13:30
First time rallying for circuit racer Sébastien Bourdais(Champcar champion, ex-F1 driver, currently endurance driver)this week-end at the Rallye Besse sur Braye(in the region of Le Mans where he's born) :) :)
As a Peugeot driver he'll run with an RCZ Coupé as "00" car :D
I wish the RCZ tome in the rally cars world soon :bounce:
Few pics of today assistance on http://www.rallye-besse.com/photos/gallerie.php?action=voir_gallerie&rep=2010
Rally starts today, and among the entry a Subaru Impreza WRC, two 207 S2000s, Longépé's Coupé 406 F2000,...
Tom206wrc
19th August 2010, 13:49
Who is Jan Van der Marel ???? :confused:
He has been added to the entrylist of Rallye du Mont-Blanc yesterday(in a Porsche 997 GT3)
Mirek
19th August 2010, 14:26
I think that he is Dutch gentleman driver, father of promising young driver Timo.
Rallytourist
19th August 2010, 15:00
]I think that he is Dutch gentleman driver, father of promising young driver Timo.
Correct father of Timo
http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?type=profile&driverid=4162
Wim_Impreza
19th August 2010, 15:18
That is true. Now he drives for his pleasure as he is already 66 years old, but in the past he was multiple Dutch champion and also Dutch Rallysprint champion in 2008.
Tom206wrc
20th August 2010, 16:49
Looks like Cédric Robert will drive the GPC 207 S2000 in BFGoodrich Trophy at Mont-Blanc...a clear victory for Pieter Tsjoen ??? :mark:
Tom206wrc
24th August 2010, 13:03
Wow !!!!!! From Rallye du Mont-Blanc entrylist several interesting things: italian driver Marco Blanc in a 207 S2000, return of swiss driver Christian Jacquillard in a Fiesta S2000 recently bought and...Kris Meeke in the DS3 R3 !!!! :eek: :eek:
Looks a fantastic rallye this year(better than previous editions) :cool:
vino_93
24th August 2010, 22:17
Jacquillard :) An orange Fiesta ? :p
Who is Marco Blanc ? I don't know him :/
Meeke was present last year, wasn't he ? But he had problems ...
Tom206wrc
25th August 2010, 13:03
Meeke was dominator in S2000 for his first outing in Mont-Blanc :p :
Why not the same in R3 this year ??? :D
MartijnS
25th August 2010, 14:04
Jan vd Marel:
http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/tacrally/MarelSr%203.jpg
Jarek Z
25th August 2010, 20:47
Jacquillard :) An orange Fiesta ? :p
Or a flashy green one! :)
http://www.jaquillard.ch/images/Suran2002a.jpg
Tom206wrc
26th August 2010, 04:57
Is rallye du Mont-Blanc in program for Robert Kubica :confused:
vino_93
26th August 2010, 09:54
I think no. Why ? :confused:
Wim_Impreza
26th August 2010, 11:47
Is rallye du Mont-Blanc in program for Robert Kubica :confused:
No, Kubica drives in the same weekend the Rally del Friuli in Italy.
Tom206wrc
26th August 2010, 13:35
Ok ;)
cinderella
27th August 2010, 23:19
Multi Dutch Rally Champion Jan Van der Marel is also well known for that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=996BqyWaj_0
Tom206wrc
28th August 2010, 12:50
Official entrylist Rallye du Mont-Blanc with starting order numbers can be seen on http://www.patricksoft.fr/ ("engagés" is "entry list") ;)
Simply fantastic I'm eager we are already friday of next week :cool:
sollitt
29th August 2010, 10:34
Can anyone tell me about the Rallye de Haut Provence ? Where to find information, maps, itinerary etc...?
vino_93
30th August 2010, 12:50
website : http://www.lerhp.fr/Page_RHP.htm
itinerary : itinéraire
maps : carte
entry list : Engagés
;)
noel157
30th August 2010, 13:38
Official entrylist Rallye du Mont-Blanc with starting order numbers can be seen on http://www.patricksoft.fr/ ("engagés" is "entry list") ;)
Simply fantastic I'm eager we are already friday of next week :cool:
Hi Tom, looks like another great rally like last year. Meeke out again I see, this time in the DS3.
No guarantee that Tsjoen will win this year.
sollitt
30th August 2010, 20:49
Thankyou Vino. It's quite close to where I'm staying (Avignon) so I might try to have a look.
vino_93
31st August 2010, 12:27
I hope for you that the weather will be good ... because now it's a bit bad :( but maybe in the South of France it's better than north but ... I'm not sure :rolleyes:
Tom206wrc
2nd September 2010, 06:26
Hi Tom, looks like another great rally like last year. Meeke out again I see, this time in the DS3.
No guarantee that Tsjoen will win this year.
As Cédric Robert is in the 207 S2000, Tsjoen's main rival at Mont-Blanc should be Dany Snobeck(Mont-Blanc is his favourite event and at Lyon-Charbonnière he was often faster than the Belgian so I have less doubt about the victory of a WHALE, and not a FOCUS this year :p : )
Of course everything can happen on such rally :rolleyes: we cannot exclude a victory of Pieter Tsjoen if he's more reliable than everyone else despite his lack of knowledge
Frédéric Comte and Pierre Roché will be also interesting to follow, but they'll have to discover their whale unlike the other "top drivers in WRC" :mark:
Wonder what the new Porsche GT3+ can do in the hands of Romain Dumas and Gilles Nantet perhaps a great surprise :D
Today are scruteneering and shakedown before start of the rally tomorrow morning ;)
vino_93
2nd September 2010, 13:16
Dumas has a new GT+ Porsche ? I think he will have the same car as before because the GT+ isn't able to race now :/
Tom206wrc
3rd September 2010, 14:34
Can't believe Pieter Tsjoen is leading Mont-Blanc in front of Dany Snobeck after SS5 :eek:
vino_93
3rd September 2010, 16:27
Pieter :)
Tom206wrc
3rd September 2010, 16:39
Fantastic !!!! Kris Meeke leading the Group R and 2WD class for just 1" ahead Manu Guigou at the end of leg one :D
Really great car that Citroën DS3 R3 :cool:
Gilles Nantet 5th overall in the new Porsche GT+ :)
Nothing is won for Tsjoen tomorrow, as Snobeck reduced the gap at 8.6s ;)
noel157
3rd September 2010, 19:24
Fantastic !!!! Kris Meeke leading the Group R and 2WD class for just 1" ahead Manu Guigou at the end of leg one :D
Really great car that Citroën DS3 R3 :cool:
Gilles Nantet 5th overall in the new Porsche GT+ :)
Nothing is won for Tsjoen tomorrow, as Snobeck reduced the gap at 8.6s ;)
Hope PH Sport can fix Meeke's brakes (fading) for tomorrow. He reckon's he's lost 40 secs or so because of them
Tom206wrc
4th September 2010, 07:42
Start leg two(SS8 12km long)in about 20 minutes ;)
Another link to live results http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1290&catCourse=ral
Tom206wrc
4th September 2010, 11:01
End of hope for Pieter Tsjoen at Mont-Blanc !!!! After off road(SS9)now big turbo problem on his Focus(on SS10)and it remains a long stage to run(SS11 20km)before reaching assistance service ;(
Frédéric Comte leading for 12" ahead of Dany Snobeck(who had a puncture on SS8)
noel157
4th September 2010, 11:06
Good battle between Meeke and Guigou, Meeke now ahead.
Tom206wrc
4th September 2010, 11:11
Looks like Tsjoen managed to repair the turbo of the Focus he was 3rd fastest(+10")but had to go late(he would get 30" penalty because 3 minutes late) :confused:
Good news for him because even if he can't win the event, he can get important points there ;)
Tom206wrc
4th September 2010, 15:45
Leader Frédéric Comte rolled his whale in SS12 and had a puncture(retirement, too damaged car) :(
Snobeck is now leading Tsjoen and Bouffier with one long stage left to go ;)
vino_93
4th September 2010, 18:58
What race for Comte ! It's shame for Pieter :( He and Bouffier take 16 pts, Robert takes just 11 pts.
1 Snobeck
2 Tsjoen +1'20"7
3 Bouffier +1'59"9
4 Roché +2'24"5
5 Nantet +3'00"6
6 Robert +4'27"6
7 Maurin +4'59"4
8 Dumas +5'21"2
9 Gal +5'47"7
10 Bonfils +6'32"8
11 Meeke +7'03"4
12 Dub +7'26"6
13 Guigou +7'52"8
14 Amourette +7'55"5
15 Dommerdich +9'16"8
Robert 69 pts
Tsjoen 64 pts
Bouffier 57 pts
Guigou 46 pts
Amourette 45 pts
Dub 37 pts
...
N.O.T
4th September 2010, 20:05
the Ds3 seems to be the car to beat in R3 class especially since the Clio of Guigou i think is the factory supported renault with around 250 hp.
noel157
5th September 2010, 10:49
the Ds3 seems to be the car to beat in R3 class especially since the Clio of Guigou i think is the factory supported renault with around 250 hp.
Yep, 247 BHP against 210 BHP for the DS3. Quesnel was there and was happy that his team beat their arch rivals.
Mirek
5th September 2010, 11:14
It's not just about peak power. DS3 has on the other hand much higher torque, anti-lag and paddle shifting. Another thing is that although I consider Manu Guigou really good driver, he is still not a world class driver like Meeke.
Tom206wrc
18th September 2010, 12:00
Kimi Räikkönen leading logically the Rallye Vosgien after two stages ;)
Would have been worring and annoying the opposite :mark:
http:http://www.scratch-live.fr/vosgien.php
Tom206wrc
30th September 2010, 14:59
Don't forget in the same time of Rallye de France WRC there's also the Grand National(event of french tarmac championship)ths week-end ;)
To follow it http://www.patricksoft.fr/
Tom206wrc
1st October 2010, 13:22
Tsjoen was dominating Robert on the first three stages until a mistake on SS4 and now Robert in the lead(for 5") :eek:
Tom206wrc
1st October 2010, 16:42
Retirement for Tsjoen before start SS5: his Focus broke down at service park :(
Tom206wrc
2nd October 2010, 09:24
Next week rallye terre des Cardabelles, next round of french gravel championship
Cuoq back to the whale, ultra favourite for the win :p :
Not less than four S2000s(a record on gravel french championship) :bounce:
All usual contenders of the championship are there(including the Belgians, favourite certainly Bernard Munster in his Octavia WRC) ;)
http://www.rallye-terre-cardabelles.org/ (engagés = entrylist)
Live results http://www.brennusinfo.fr/2010/Cardabelles2010/Cardabelles.aspx
Don't forget to follow the first outing on gravel of the Citroën DS3 R3 :)
René
2nd October 2010, 10:30
Problem's for Robert in stage 10 with differential on the 307 he must drive in road mode....
Tom206wrc
2nd October 2010, 10:31
Problem's for Robert in stage 10 with differential on the 307 he must drive in road mode....
I was hoping fo a puncture only :(
tolis
6th October 2010, 13:47
I've heard a rumour that Ogier will drive the DS3 R3T at Rallye du Var in November.
Tom206wrc
7th October 2010, 13:55
I've heard a rumour that Ogier will drive the DS3 R3T at Rallye du Var in November.
It's o more rumour, but official ;)
And Neuville will drive it in Valais :)
Tom206wrc
9th October 2010, 11:45
It's unbelievable !!!! Manu Gascou for the first time in S2000 was 11" faster than gravel specialist Jean-Marie Cuoq on SS1 terre des Cardabelles :eek:
Very good start for Yazeed Al Rajhi also, 3rd fastest :)
Another link to live results http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1273&catCourse=ral
vino_93
9th October 2010, 12:53
Just an incredible start ...
1 Cuoq (307)
2 Gascou (207) +8"6
3 Carbonaro (Focus) +45"0
4 Jacquot (207) +55"6
5 Tirabassi (Lancer) +56"9
6 Chieusse (206) +58"8
7 Bruyneel (Impreza) +1'00"2
8 Munster (Octavia) +1'10"8
9 Al Rajhi (207) +1'11"3
10 Battut (Impreza) +1'21"2
Tom206wrc
9th October 2010, 14:36
Great performance by Swiss Laurent Reuche, 14th overall, leading the Volant 207, and just ahead of the brand new Citroën DS3 that debuts on gravel :)
Tom206wrc
9th October 2010, 15:38
After Tanghe on SS1 terre des Cardabelles, it's Bruyneel's time to retire among the Belgians(SS4) ;(
Barreis
9th October 2010, 16:04
How old is this guy Snobeck?
morganmilan
9th October 2010, 18:09
How old is this guy Snobeck?
Do you mean Danny Snobeck? 64 years old (2th May 1946)
Tom206wrc
13th October 2010, 13:47
Provisionnal entrylist Critérium des Cévennes available on http://www.criteriumdescevennes.com/ ;)
Note return of Pascal Enjolras on the 207 S2000 of his father's team(MES - Michel Enjolras Sport) :cool:
I wonder if he abandoned the Lotus Exige GT :confused:
Strange also, Pieter Tsjoen on the entrylist whereas he seems to have affirmed after Alsace he retired from french championship :confused: nice if he changes his mind though...
A rumour also talk about two Citroën DS3 R3s there(one for Stéphane Sarrazin as scheduled, the other for a...surprise??)
Edit: coincidence but the Finale de France des rallyes will also happen the same week-end as the Critérium des Cévennes(end october) :s
You can see the names and cars of the qualified drivers on http://www.finaledesrallyes2010.com/
vino_93
13th October 2010, 15:05
stupid thing to have the Finale at the same date that the Critérium ... :rolleyes:
Tom206wrc
14th October 2010, 18:51
My mistake :s Criterium des Cevennes is next week, Finale is a week after ;)
Tom206wrc
19th October 2010, 15:43
As usual the Critérium des Cévennes will be on http://www.patricksoft.fr/ for the live results ;)
Note SS1(11km long) will be run thursday evening...
Note also a 42km long stage to be run twice on saturday(last leg of the rally) :eek:
Tom206wrc
23rd October 2010, 16:53
Funtastic victory for Bryan Bouffier at the Critérium ds Cévennes today :bounce:
Cédric Robert was leading with 26" before last "monster stage"(42km long)but had a puncture in this stage and lost suddenly 1'38"(he still finished 2nd and saved big points in the championship) :mark:
Great podium for Emmanuel Gascou running in S2000 on tarmac for the first time(remember his pace at the start of Terre des Cardabelles on gravel two weeks ago) :cool:
Stéphane Sarrazin in the Citroën DS3 was hampered by a puncture yesterday, and a few mechanical problems today forcing him out of assistance too late(he should get penalties)but realized intersting times compared to Emmanuel Guigou in the Renault Clio R3 "Evo"(they finished 6th and 7th overall)...
Annoying situation, Romain Dumas in the Porsche GT3 Evo was really promsingly fast on night SS1(3rd fastest time !!!)but his car broke down after(retired on SS2) :(
Edit: just before rallye du Var, last round of french tarmac championship, Cédric Robert and Bryan Bouffier get exactly the same amount of points ;)
Tom206wrc
25th October 2010, 17:35
Hey, this coming week-end is the Finale de la Coupe de France des rallyes, the event so many "amateur" drivers are preparing from the start of the season, and eagerly awaiting :)
http://www.finaledesrallyes2010.com/finale
Results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/
Great entrylist indeed ;)
Barreis
25th October 2010, 18:26
Do you mean Danny Snobeck? 64 years old (2th May 1946)
Thanks.. And he was tenth in Catalunya last year?! :D
morganmilan
25th October 2010, 18:32
Thanks.. And he was tenth in Catalunya last year?! :D
No age for knowledge and know-how :D
Sulland
25th October 2010, 18:56
Will anyone drive the N4 Megane on Du Var, or will it only be presented ?
Barreis
25th October 2010, 20:00
No age for knowledge and know-how :D
Really.. :D
Mirek
25th October 2010, 22:37
Will anyone drive the N4 Megane on Du Var, or will it only be presented ?
I think Manu Guigou will drive it as zero car.
vespa63
26th October 2010, 12:44
Some pictures of Criterium des Cévennes 2010 here : http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/9356
;)
Tom206wrc
26th October 2010, 14:50
I think Manu Guigou will drive it as zero car.
Pitty that, because if he drove the Clio R3 as a regular driver he would have a huge duel with Sébastien Ogier in the Citroën DS3 R3 :(
JTGANG
26th October 2010, 15:44
Pitty that, because if he drove the Clio R3 as a regular driver he would have a huge duel with Sébastien Ogier in the Citroën DS3 R3 :(
It would be a nice battle indeed but i think Ogier would be in front compare
to how Meeke won against Guigu...But anyhow Var counts for the
Italian and i think France R3 Cup so i think we will see very interesting
battles
Sulland
26th October 2010, 17:47
Pitty that, because if he drove the Clio R3 as a regular driver he would have a huge duel with Sébastien Ogier in the Citroën DS3 R3 :(
Is the DS3 R3T and Clio R3 running in the same class in France ?
vino_93
27th October 2010, 09:19
No ;)
DS3 R3T --> R3T
Clio --> R3C
Sulland
27th October 2010, 10:20
No ;)
DS3 R3T --> R3T
Clio --> R3C
Has France, or will France adopt the new R-Class system in 2011 ?
vino_93
27th October 2010, 12:06
I don't know, and I think no. As you could see, the classification system in France is very detailed. So the old car, like 106, Saxo, ... will continue to drive in their respective category. But the new R4 cars, if their are particular cars for this category, will have a new category for them, it's sure if we see the classification system now.
In France, we have now :
R1
R2B
R3T
R3C
R3D (I'm not sure, there is not a lot of Punto :D )
morganmilan
27th October 2010, 12:19
I don't know, and I think no. As you could see, the classification system in France is very detailed. So the old car, like 106, Saxo, ... will continue to drive in their respective category. But the new R4 cars, if their are particular cars for this category, will have a new category for them, it's sure if we see the classification system now.
In France, we have now :
R1
R2B
R3T
R3C
R3D (I'm not sure, there is not a lot of Punto :D )
I would like to know:
R2B is really R2? Has "B" any special meaning?
R3C is really R3? Has "C" any special meaning?
Thnx in advance
vino_93
27th October 2010, 12:34
I don't know for the B in R2 class, I will see what's it ;)
C --> R3 2000cm3. It's, I think, the official name of these cars (the Clio and the Civic)
T --> R3 1600cm3
D --> R3 Diesel :D (2000cm3 ? maybe ...)
Sulland
27th October 2010, 12:41
Can be found here in article 260 and 260D:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/wcodj2010?Openform&lang=a
morganmilan
27th October 2010, 12:44
Thnx a lot both of you :)
vino_93
27th October 2010, 13:26
thx Sulland :p
There is no R2C isn't it ?
br21
27th October 2010, 14:04
to make it short:
the letters (A, B, C) describes engines capacity:
- A - to 1,4
- B - 1,4 to 1,6
- C - 1,6 to 2,0
the digits describe the range of modifications allowed (1 - min, 3 - max).
letter T means Turbo (DS3 R3 and 207RC), letter D means Diesel (Punto R3D)
vino_93, there is possibility in rules to build car according to R2C rules
Citroen C2R2 is R2B, Twino R2 is also R2B, (Twino R1 is R1B)
There are no big differences between R2 and R3, just weight, rim dimensions, etc.
morganmilan
27th October 2010, 15:53
Has anyone or is there in the network a list of R1A, R1B, R2B, R2C, R3C, R3D and R3T homologated cars nowadays rallying around? I mean makes and models, not specific plates or cars... :)
br21
27th October 2010, 16:22
Has anyone or is there in the network a list of R1A, R1B, R2B, R2C, R3C, R3D and R3T homologated cars nowadays rallying around? I mean makes and models, not specific plates or cars... :)
I don't think so as group R is currently only homologation extension to group A. For example - Citroen C2 is homologated in group A under homologation number A-5672 and there are homologation extensions called "VR2B" (Variante Rallyes R2B). So there is no pure group R homologation so I think there is no list of group R homologated vehicles on FIA www, but I may be wrong :)
I know currently existing homologations:
Citroen C2 - R2B
Renault Twingo - R1B & R2B
Ford Fiesta - R2B
Renault Clio - R3C
Citroen DS3- R3T
Honda Civic - R3C
Peugeot 207RC - R3T
Fiat Punto - R3D
Fiat 500 Abarth - R3T
Tom206wrc
27th October 2010, 16:46
Last round of the french gravel championship, rallye terre du Vaucluse, is only within two weeks, but entrylist looks already splendid :D
http://www.teamtrevois.org/partants.asp
Note Brice Tirabassi at the wheels of a Skoda Fabia...WRC :)
Not sure he could beat Coq in the whale though... :p :
morganmilan
27th October 2010, 16:52
I don't think so as group R is currently only homologation extension to group A. For example - Citroen C2 is homologated in group A under homologation number A-5672 and there are homologation extensions called "VR2B" (Variante Rallyes R2B). So there is no pure group R homologation so I think there is no list of group R homologated vehicles on FIA www, but I may be wrong :)
I know currently existing homologations:
Citroen C2 - R2B
Renault Twingo - R1B & R2B
Ford Fiesta - R2B
Renault Clio - R3C
Citroen DS3- R3T
Honda Civic - R3C
Peugeot 207RC - R3T
Fiat Punto - R3D
Fiat 500 Abarth - R3T
Thnx br21. It isn´t Soda Fabia R2 homologated yet?
PD Maybe this isn´t the appropiate thread to go on talking about this question. So, answer please me, if you know that and we can close the issue or open a new thread about it. Do you agree?
Mirek
27th October 2010, 17:21
There are no big differences between R2 and R3, just weight, rim dimensions, etc.
Also gearbox, R2 has only 5-speed.
Thnx br21. It isn´t Soda Fabia R2 homologated yet?
Still not.
vino_93
28th October 2010, 09:30
Last round of the french gravel championship, rallye terre du Vaucluse, is only within two weeks, but entrylist looks already splendid :D
http://www.teamtrevois.org/partants.asp
Note Brice Tirabassi at the wheels of a Skoda Fabia...WRC
Not sure he could beat Coq in the whale though... :p :
PG Andersson and his Evo X could beat with them :cool:
And come back to Maurin on gravel :)
Whose Fabia is it for Tirabassi ? :confused:
OldF
28th October 2010, 13:25
Has anyone or is there in the network a list of R1A, R1B, R2B, R2C, R3C, R3D and R3T homologated cars nowadays rallying around? I mean makes and models, not specific plates or cars... :)
Yes, there is:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/ADBE399083955B0AC12577C00036CA72/$FILE/CompteursExt%C3%A9rieurs_2010.pdf
WR = WRC
KS = S1600 and S2000
KSR = S2000 circuit
VR = R1-R3
If you want go in to more details:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/FCB6A6BB9CABEA90C12577C00036BE66/$FILE/ToutesVoitures_Oct.2010.pdf
Main page for homologations:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/Pages/Homologations.aspx
OldF
28th October 2010, 13:38
Sorry,
KSR = S2000
KS = S2000 circuit
morganmilan
28th October 2010, 14:18
Thnx a lot OldF :)
Sulland
30th October 2010, 14:54
What are good internet-sites for used rallycars in France ?
vino_93
31st October 2010, 09:31
I think ... any. Are you looking for a site like s2000rally ?
Dany Snobeck will drive a C4 WRC to the Var :eek:
Sulland
31st October 2010, 09:58
I think ... any. Are you looking for a site like s2000rally ?
Dany Snobeck will drive a C4 WRC to the Var :eek:
No, sites where you can sell and buy used rallycars ?
Like rallycarsforsale.net
Tom206wrc
31st October 2010, 10:11
Hey, this coming week-end is the Finale de la Coupe de France des rallyes, the event so many "amateur" drivers are preparing from the start of the season, and eagerly awaiting :)
http://www.finaledesrallyes2010.com/finale
Results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/
Great entrylist indeed ;)
Congratulations to David Salanon overall winner of the Finale, Xavier Pruvot(amazing pace to catch his lateness of night leg and try to beat Salanon), and Sébastien Dommerdich(who doesn't run in the Abarth Grande Punto since long time) :cool:
vino_93
31st October 2010, 19:11
No, sites where you can sell and buy used rallycars ?
Like rallycarsforsale.net
aaah
http://rallye-forez.com/ ;)
Tom : Dommerdich drove the Punto during the Rallye du Mont Blanc and ... ? Only the final ?
Great race for Pruvot :cool: His new Impreza is really a good car :)
Tom206wrc
9th November 2010, 19:35
Last round of the french gravel championship, rallye terre du Vaucluse, is only within two weeks, but entrylist looks already splendid
http://www.teamtrevois.org/partants.asp
Note Brice Tirabassi at the wheels of a Skoda Fabia...WRC
Not sure he could beat Coq in the whale though...
Full entrylist available now :cool:
Bad news though, Bernard Munster is forfait, because crash of his Octavia at Condroz last week-end :mark:
Edit: oh no PG Andersson forfait too :eek: :(
Sarac330d
10th November 2010, 08:27
Does anybody have maps of this year Rally du Var.
I am planning to come watch this rally.
Or maybe last year maps, If stages are same for this year.
Thank you in advance.
Tom206wrc
10th November 2010, 12:56
All infos about Var on http://www.var-rallye.fr/ ;)
Sarac330d
10th November 2010, 17:24
But i can`t see any SS map on that address.
Tom206wrc
12th November 2010, 16:01
Yesterday, Jean-Luc Morel and his wife Pascale(as codriver)tested the Bozian whale they will use from tomorrow in Vaucluse ;)
Results page of rallye terre du Vaucluse is on http://www.mks2.fr/
VFTS
12th November 2010, 23:11
Are there any nice rallyevents in France in january? The first three weekends?
wwbroe
12th November 2010, 23:31
Are there any nice rallyevents in France in january? The first three weekends?
You could consider Monte Carlo, it is a real nice event. :D
VFTS
13th November 2010, 10:11
You could consider Monte Carlo, it is a real nice event. :D
I know about Monte Carlo, but I will be in France the first two or maybe three weeks of january before Monte starts.
Any France rallycalendars available yet? A local rally would be great!
vino_93
13th November 2010, 11:35
I don't know for 2011 ... But in 2010 the first local event was the Rallye dy Pays Ajaccien the same week end as the MC ;)
But in winter there is the Trophée Andros, on ice in Winter stations :cool:
Tom206wrc
14th November 2010, 09:44
Yesterday, Jean-Luc Morel and his wife Pascale(as codriver)tested the Bozian whale they will use from tomorrow in Vaucluse
Results page of rallye terre du Vaucluse is on http://www.mks2.fr/
Strong pitty, Morel had a brilliant start in the whale yesterday, was leading in front of Cuoq after three stages but crashed and broke a wheel on SS4(retired) ;(
Crazy mechanical problem for Tirabassi which forced him to retire after leg one(he broke the wheel-driver of his Skoda and was unable to repair it in time :eek: :s
He was second overall 30" behind Cuoq before the problem occured and become worst :mark:
Excellent job for Julien Maurin in the Fiesta S2000 2nd overall now ;)
Tom206wrc
14th November 2010, 09:46
No surprise, in the Volant 207 Terre Vaucluse is Swiss Laurent Reuche who is leading, in front of Pierre Marché and Germain Bonnefis(who had an off in the last stage of leg) ;)
Tom206wrc
14th November 2010, 10:28
Bad news for the rallye du Var category S2000: looks like Fast Freddy finally won't be present :(
Well at least that are the latest rumours :rolleyes:
Tom206wrc
14th November 2010, 14:24
Terminal mistake for Jean-Marie Cuoq who went off the road on the last stage of the rallye terre du Vaucluse :eek: victory goes to Julien Maurin and his Ford Fiesta S2000 :up:
vino_93
16th November 2010, 09:45
Dani Snobeck could do the next championship in a C4 :eek: :(
Tom206wrc
18th November 2010, 05:30
Big update of entrylist for next week's rallye du Var :cool:
http://www.var-rallye.fr/
vino_93
18th November 2010, 08:58
WRC : Gioffre (206), Tirabassi (Impreza S14), Snobeck (C4), Robert (307), Roche (307)
S2000 : Kondracki (207), Leandri (207), Vigion (207), Maurin (Fiesta), Bouffier (207), Sarrazin (207), Dub (Punto), Gal (207)
GT+ : Nantet (GT3 Cup)
+ Arzeno (DS3), Ogier (DS3), Crugnola (Clio), Dallavilla (Clio), Ferrarrotti (Clio), Kubica (Clio), Albertini (Clio), Gamba (Clio), Tambay (207, Auto GP driver:cool :) , Guigou (Clio), Raoux (Clio), Burri (Clio), Gasperetti (Clio), Tanghe (Celica), Barral (Clio), Campana (Clio), Nikara (Twingo), Mauffrey (Clio), ...
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Tom206wrc
18th November 2010, 13:04
And lots of other drivers are still missing(Blanc, Bruyneel, Dumas, Bonato,...) :p :
JTGANG
18th November 2010, 13:13
Will be a fantastic battle between the Italian & French Clio R3 !!!!!!!!
Very hard to make any predictions
Mirek
18th November 2010, 19:06
Great entry list! By the way the more WRC the better for Cedric Robert in his fight with Bryan Bouffier...
Tom206wrc
19th November 2010, 17:57
Great entry list! By the way the more WRC the better for Cedric Robert in his fight with Bryan Bouffier...
Only four WRCs finally :mark:
Tom206wrc
19th November 2010, 20:42
According to press release of the FFSA for the rallye du Var(published today), there will be 203 crews on the final entrylist :bounce:
Tom206wrc
20th November 2010, 12:23
Official entrylist rallye du Var !!!! :cool:
http://www.rally-news.fr/news/index/9531
You just CAN'T miss such event :eek:
Barreis
20th November 2010, 13:38
Great entry list..
wwbroe
20th November 2010, 14:26
I see that Bernard Tenbrinke will drive Fabia S2000, wich car will he be using? Does anybody now wich team the car is coming from?
Great entrylist for this final run of the French championship. :)
MartijnS
20th November 2010, 15:05
It's from Wevers Sport.
Another car than the one van Eldik used in Ypres.
wwbroe
20th November 2010, 15:23
It's from Wevers Sport.
Another car than the one van Eldik used in Ypres.
Yes, it must be another one, because the one Van Eldik used in Ypres was sold to Czech Republic team, i think JM Engineering. Where did Wevers get the other Fabia from, do you know the answer? Thanks in advance. ;)
MartijnS
20th November 2010, 15:25
Don't know that :)
wwbroe
20th November 2010, 15:35
Don't know that :)
Ok, thanks anyhow Martijn. ;)
Ucci
20th November 2010, 17:20
Amazing entry list!!! Specially nice to see so much competition in R3 class, I've counted 25 Clio's, and guys from Italy-this will be fight worth to see, but they will have hard bussines with other two guests also-Kubica and Ogier!!
About first place overal: C.Robert and D.Snobeck are the clear favorite.
darkstar
20th November 2010, 18:15
tirabassi is also pretty fast :) was the fastest man behind loeb last year till he crashed...
in the r-classes i expect guigou to win, but of course ogier will be a big opponent and so are arzeno and abbring but guigou is amazingly fast and very spectacular always(mutch faster than robert for example)! its defenetly going to be a nice fight i guess.
i´m also curious about kubica! he did so well at antibes witch is pretty similar to var.
Mirek
20th November 2010, 19:49
I see that Bernard Tenbrinke will drive Fabia S2000, wich car will he be using? Does anybody now wich team the car is coming from?
Great entrylist for this final run of the French championship. :)
Should be new car but I'm not sure in the moment.
Gordini
20th November 2010, 20:30
Is the Megane Gr N still on as the 0-car here?
Is Renault Sport making more of a show with the presentation of this car?
urabus-denoS2000
20th November 2010, 22:57
Amazing entry list!!! Specially nice to see so much competition in R3 class, I've counted 25 Clio's, and guys from Italy-this will be fight worth to see, but they will have hard bussines with other two guests also-Kubica and Ogier!!
They won't have problems with Kubica because he'll be at least a minute ahead on anyone in FWD ....
The other guys will use the excuse that he's in S1600 ;)
Tom206wrc
21st November 2010, 09:54
Is the Megane Gr N still on as the 0-car here?
Is Renault Sport making more of a show with the presentation of this car?
Yep, there will be the official presentation of the Megane R4 by RST after the rally, and Citroën Racing will also invite some drivers/customers to test the DS3 R3(among them Portuguese Frederico Gomes who is on entrylist) ;)
mousti
22nd November 2010, 07:55
Should be new car but I'm not sure in the moment.
Most obvious it's the Wevers Sport Fabia the silver one..
MartijnS
22nd November 2010, 09:01
No, it isn't.
Mirek
22nd November 2010, 15:09
Exactly, the silver one was sold to JM Racing after Ypres.
Tom206wrc
25th November 2010, 14:10
Currently shakedown of Rallye du Var is running ;)
Start first leg tomorrow afternoon friday and results on http://www.patricksoft.fr/
Mirek
25th November 2010, 17:20
So Ten Brinke's car is really new one :)
wwbroe
25th November 2010, 19:06
So Ten Brinke's car is really new one :)
Apparently it is the car that Freddy Loix used in San Remo rallye. So it is Evo2 Fabia straight from factory. :)
br21
25th November 2010, 20:39
any times from shakedown? any photos?
Mirek
25th November 2010, 22:15
Video from shake: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfsfqr_rallye-du-var-2010_auto
Some photos are on French forum: http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/rallye/sujet3228-2940.htm
Wim_Impreza
26th November 2010, 13:11
So Ten Brinke's car is really new one :)
It is a test for next year when he wants to do some IRC rallies. ;)
Tom206wrc
26th November 2010, 14:01
Fantastic time by Kubica on SS1 !!! 9" off Robert only :D
René
26th November 2010, 14:08
Guigou 5s front Ogier :)
darkstar
26th November 2010, 14:17
wow, massive time from kubica! and sarrazin pretty mutch off the pace.
pettersolberg29
26th November 2010, 14:23
Any idea what happened to Sarrazin? He's not that slow for no reason.
Ucci
26th November 2010, 15:00
Also very promissing result fron Gill Nanet with Porsche 911 GT3.....But Kubica, oh my god!!
René
26th November 2010, 15:05
Any idea what happened to Sarrazin? He's not that slow for no reason.
Puncture...
Tom206wrc
26th November 2010, 15:07
SS1 stopped because a spectator fell down and was hurt...rescue service is taking care of him/her :rolleyes:
René
26th November 2010, 15:28
He broke his leg by falling :\
René
26th November 2010, 16:24
where is Snobeck??
JTGANG
26th November 2010, 16:32
where is Snobeck??
Abandon from mechanical problem i think at SS3
René
26th November 2010, 16:40
Abandon from mechanical problem i think at SS3
he went off road in stage 2, maybe something was affected on C4???
wwbroe
26th November 2010, 16:55
Also Dumas in his Porsche went off and is out of the race. Guigou is destroying competition in R3, Ogier included.
darkstar
26th November 2010, 16:57
guigou rock´s like hell! everytime i saw him live, i felt he was at absolute limit. great driver!
here´s some other video from the shakedwon witch is worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGnW1xUAR-k&feature=sub
René
26th November 2010, 17:04
Yes Guigou made a great time and Kubica is flying also..... Finaly Snobeck went off again in stage 3 the C4 is 5 meters down off the road.
dimviii
26th November 2010, 18:22
results link please :)
Mirek
26th November 2010, 18:23
Ogier has been rather disappointing for me as has Abbring. Kubica is on league of his own. Now in proper competition he shows what class he is!
http://www.patricksoft.fr/ -> click on "direct" in left panel.
darkstar
26th November 2010, 18:26
yes, youre right. for ogier theres maybe the excuse that the car isnt so fast on tarmac by now, but abbring is really slow! and tirabassi is also a little too slow, especially on stage 3 he had lost a lot of time.
results link please :)
here: http://www.patricksoft.fr/
or here: http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1355&catCourse=ral
dimviii
26th November 2010, 18:29
yes, youre right. for ogier theres maybe the excuse that the car isnt so fast on tarmac by now, but abbring is really slow!
here: http://www.patricksoft.fr/
or here: http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?id=1355&catCourse=ral
Thanks darkstar! :D
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