Wrc+

[Eli]

There's a few odd things going on this weekend

Mike Chen coming for a day only to be swapped by Julien, which is a shame imho, it was better when Mike was there; they were also more quiet at times and let us hear the co-driver & car.

[SubaruNorway]

Mike Chen coming for a day only to be swapped by Julien, which is a shame imho, it was better when Mike was there; they were also more quiet at times and let us hear the co-driver & car.

Sea food, food poisoning it sounded like. Seb Marshall hasn't done many stages this weekend either?

[Eli]

Sea food, food poisoning it sounded like. Seb Marshall hasn't done many stages either?

In contrast, Colin hasn’t done stage end commentary since the end of 2019, actually nice to hear him back, Seb Marshall has been doing it since Meeke was kicked out from Toyota.

[Rallyper]

When looking at my IPad ther´s no longer possible to get full screen picture on WRC+. The screen gets all black...?

Anyone know why?
Also the smaller pic never gets rid of headline and bottom settings.

[Sulland]

Restart ipad, check that you are on the right wifi network, if you have more than one.

In this rally the RC2 gamg get a huge amount of airtime, their sponsors must be happy!

[Rallyper]

Restart ipad, check that you are on the right wifi network, if you have more than one.

In this rally the RC2 gamg get a huge amount of airtime, their sponsors must be happy!

Tack! Det funkade. Thanks! Worked out well!

[Sulland]

Tack! Det funkade. Thanks! Worked out well!

The "SwedishButton" fixes the problem 9 of 10 times!! :D:p

Svenskeknappen funkar nesten alltid!!

[SubaruNorway]

In contrast, Colin hasn’t done stage end commentary since the end of 2019, actually nice to hear him back, Seb Marshall has been doing it since Meeke was kicked out from Toyota.

It was because of food poisoning he stepped in, pretty sure Seb Marshall has only done one stage or something

[satnav]

Colin just put this on Twitter ;

This is what we do
@DirtFishRally
- always here to deliver the best content but also here to help out whenever our friends need us. Wishing a speedy recovery to those suffering with that nasty tummy bug

[J4MIE]

Maybe been asked before, but is it possible to save videos from WRC+?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems ERC+ gives the No Comms option :)

https://i.imgur.com/xkIhcl3.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Used the WRC App on Android for the first time in years today and its awful - freezing and crashing all the time. Glad I dont rely on it normally.

[Katvala]

Used the WRC App on Android for the first time in years today and its awful - freezing and crashing all the time. Glad I dont rely on it normally.That was my experience this year too with the app, but that was on my 7 year old phone. That thing struggled to show any video at all. Haven't tried it with new phone yet. LG TV app works flawlessly however

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[Eli]

I know the daily highlights show are now almost as old as time itself, but for the love of god, if you're gonna keep it, at least bring back Paul King to do the commentary and leave Jon Desborough to do the voice-overs for the intro & outro, I don't know why but it's been like this ever since 2020; it's just him over there and it's just awful tbh. Yes I'm aware I don't have to watch it but sometimes I'd miss the day's action and I used to catch up with the daily highlights, now it's impossible with him commentating for the whole 26 minutes (which I guess the time for each day is a remnant from North One Television).

[Paul Hudson]

WRC2 Best action of the day SS18 and the WRC+ Are not showing it, cut to the studio, Shocking .

[Franky]

I know the daily highlights show are now almost as old as time itself, but for the love of god, if you're gonna keep it, at least bring back Paul King to do the commentary and leave Jon Desborough to do the voice-overs for the intro & outro, I don't know why but it's been like this ever since 2020; it's just him over there and it's just awful tbh. Yes I'm aware I don't have to watch it but sometimes I'd miss the day's action and I used to catch up with the daily highlights, now it's impossible with him commentating for the whole 26 minutes (which I guess the time for each day is a remnant from North One Television).

Maybe to get fresh blood instead of using the same old?

The 26 minutes comes from linear TV formats. For a 30 minute slot, you can have 22-28 minutes of programme.

[Eli]

Maybe to get fresh blood instead of using the same old?

The 26 minutes comes from linear TV formats. For a 30 minute slot, you can have 22-28 minutes of programme.

But Jon Desborough has been covering the WRC at least from 2003 (if not earlier), how exactly he's considered new blood? if anything, Paul King (who's also been there since at least 2007) is the 'fresh blood' from the two.

[Franky]

New blood wasn't about Desborough, it was about King. Time to start retiring the oldies.

[Eli]

New blood wasn't about Desborough, it was about King. Time to start retiring the oldies.

So wouldn't Desborough be first in line in that case, followed promptly by King?

[Franky]

So wouldn't Desborough be first in line in that case, followed promptly by King?

I'd prefer the fastest method. The only people who have been changing are the stage end reporters, but otherwise it's the same gang for a very long time.

[Eli]

I'd prefer the fastest method. The only people who have been changing are the stage end reporters, but otherwise it's the same gang for a very long time.

And even there you'd find some of them there for the past 10(ish) years, and I think apart from Kiri (which is relatively new and god awful), yeah you're right, I wish they'd replace that gang, all of it, full stop, asap.

[AndyRAC]

WRC+ merely reflects the WRC as a whole; completely stale and in need of a refresh.......

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That was my experience this year too with the app, but that was on my 7 year old phone. That thing struggled to show any video at all. Haven't tried it with new phone yet.

My phone isn't the newest, but all my other apps that have video content work perfectly. And strangely the ERC+ App also ran the streams just fine.

I'm glad I dont have to depend on the WRC App with getting the AllLive with my BT Sport package.

[RS]

Used the WRC App on Android for the first time in years today and its awful - freezing and crashing all the time. Glad I dont rely on it normally.

Using the ERC App also on Android tonight and i agree it’s really clunky. Usually get the sound-delay problem, but that’s cured by closing and restarting the app (still, it’s about time they fixed that), but also tonight i couldn’t rewind or fast-forward the action, when you stop the stream and exit the app it starts playing on the phone in the background.. go into the app to stop that, exit and then the video randomly pops up on my home screen, grrr!

The footage is good and it’s quite reasonably priced imo but man, the app is terrible!

[mknight]

Recently when on phone I just go to the webpage in browser and log on WRC+ there. Works perfectly fine, unlike the app.

[RS]

Recently when on phone I just go to the webpage in browser and log on WRC+ there. Works perfectly fine, unlike the app.

Can you then cast it to a tv though? i prefer to watch it on a big screen if possible.

[ceemic]

Is Paypal option removed to activate subscription?

[Katvala]

I'm not able to pay for subscription, i just get errors

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[Katvala]

SORRY, THERE WAS A PROBLEM PROCESSING YOUR SUBSCRIPTION.

Please go back to the payment process and make sure you type in the correct information.
If you still have problems contact our support.



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[Duvel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZH_3yxjBc8

Thats the kind of content people should see... Just to show people how awesome this sport is!
David and Mika know fast cars.. so to see them beeing so impresed could make more people want to know more!!

[Eli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZH_3yxjBc8

Thats the kind of content people should see... Just to show people how awesome this sport is!
David and Mika know fast cars.. so to see them beeing so impresed could make more people want to know more!!

Doing more promotion in those 8 and a bit minutes than WRC All Live has done since it's inception, great stuff!! Hope to see more (would also be nice if Hyundai did something similar).

[Sulland]

Is there anyway i can just get voice and not video on all live?
Have a very narrowband channel today, and All live will not fire up.

[AnttiL]

Is there anyway i can just get voice and not video on all live?
Have a very narrowband channel today, and All live will not fire up.

At least on iOS you can lock the phone and keep just audio

[Rallyper]

And no outside cameras at Miki jump? Until Lappi... Very bad coverage.

[Rallyest]

Im sorry but this is getting really over the line, after ss9 asking Tänak did the water stall the engine, i mean come on, ask anything else that isnt so obvious and doesnt make you look utterly unproffessional and stupid

[Rallyper]

Splits doesn´t work, today.

[AnttiL]

And no outside cameras at Miki jump? Until Lappi... Very bad coverage.

- four external cameras on the stage (also one on Terranova)
- great helicopter footage
- no glitches or rotating map moments
- Phil Mills on comms
- stage end interviews on every stage

....but no camera on a certain spot, so "very bad coverage"? Really?

[typhoon]

- four external cameras on the stage (also one on Terranova)
- great helicopter footage
- no glitches or rotating map moments
- Phil Mills on comms
- stage end interviews on every stage

....but no camera on a certain spot, so "very bad coverage"? Really?

4 external cameras on a normal stage are very few, you need to have at least 6-7, they forgot for years now about jimmy-jibs. I watched properly the coverage after Monte-Carlo and still, graphics are obsolete and then also in the build-up they can experiment more "engaging" camera shots from the heli.

An example, get around a mountain and show a crowded spectator's area to start the broadcast, something like that definitely helps in creating "hype" in the broadcast, especially for casual viewers (look at what F1 does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtQZWhKWoI).

I mean, for the Loelle broadcast they could have started by zooming out the archeological site of Loelle and in 10 seconds flyover going to zoom to the Loelle Arena and the crowded area with the hospitality, then get a take from the fans down cheering and having fun. But again, it was a random flight to the opening graphics...

[SubaruNorway]

Has anyone figured out what the 605 error code is? Can't get chromecast to work this morning on neither ERC or WRX

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any UK rally fans that usually watch the WRC+ live stream on tv via BT SPORT (red button), note that you can watch all of the stages of Rally Estonia on it's normal channels this weekend.

This means you can watch them in HD, and if required, record them to watch later.

This may have something to do with the fact that BT Sport is being taken over by TNT Sport from today...



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[Eli]

Just finished watching the Belgian GP on TV, and I was wondering, why not show us the ceremonial finish podium? too expensive? Why do we get a 5 second mention of it? they do show the ceremonial start after all.

[Paul Hudson]

Just finished watching the Belgian GP on TV, and I was wondering, why not show us the ceremonial finish podium? too expensive? Why do we get a 5 second mention of it? they do show the ceremonial start after all.

I would prefer that they spent any money on improving the actual stage coverage rather than wasting several camera's and people on showing a ceremonial finish, we know who has won, they generally have a spraying of champagne after the Power Stage , that's enough for me.

[Eli]

I would prefer that they spent any money on improving the actual stage coverage rather than wasting several camera's and people on showing a ceremonial finish, we know who has won, they generally have a spraying of champagne after the Power Stage , that's enough for me.

I'd rather have both but I can't have my cake and eat it I guess.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TNT Sport (UK) are continuing on from the last rally by also showing all live stages (WRC+) from Rally Finland on their normal channels.

The ability to now record this coverage is great, allowing it to be watched anytime and not just live.

[Eli]

I have to say it’s an absolute joy to hear Julien Ingrassia on all live, wish he’d be more often.

[seb_sh]

I have to say it’s an absolute joy to hear Julien Ingrassia on all live, wish he’d be more often.

Yes both him and John Kennard brought the commentary to a whole other level. I have to complain about PK though, without a script in front of him he is totally lost and just fills air time with nonsense... I switch to a different language every time he is together with Becs.

[Eli]

Yes both him and John Kennard brought the commentary to a whole other level. I have to complain about PK though, without a script in front of him he is totally lost and just fills air time with nonsense... I switch to a different language every time he is together with Becs.

PK is good for daily highlights, which he stopped doing for 3 & a 1/2 years now.

[Corcaíoch]

Credit where its due they have really improved their coverage this weekend with Ingrassia and Kennard. Makes a huge difference to have expert knowledge, hopefully they'll try to have it on every rally from now on!

[seb_sh]

Actually let's not forget Seb Marshall I think he does a good job in the booth as well.

[Sulland]

Credit where its due they have really improved their coverage this weekend with Ingrassia and Kennard. Makes a huge difference to have expert knowledge, hopefully they'll try to have it on every rally from now on!

Agreed, and cool to get the co-drivers perspective and stories once and awhile. But for me the driver perspective is the most valuable.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I agree re the expert co-comms. My only issue is hearing them properly over the co-driver audio. I think they should reduce this a bit as you cant follow both.

[HKSjbg]

Yes both him and John Kennard brought the commentary to a whole other level. I have to complain about PK though, without a script in front of him he is totally lost and just fills air time with nonsense... I switch to a different language every time he is together with Becs.

I’m finding Becs’ contributions increasingly grating on the youtube highlights. It seems her and Julian Porter spend all day in the commentary booth shouting ‘Ooooooooooooo oooooooooo’.

Is that just the impression I’m getting from 3 mins of highlights or is it like that all day on WRC+?

I don’t know what’s worse; those two or David Croft’s F1 commenshoutery

[mknight]

Commentators should be quiet during those 3-5s after flying finnish. Very often you hear interesting stuff from the crews.

Instead they talk over and only sometimes repeat what was said if it was in a language they understand. Even worse is when they comment on what was said ("interesting comment") and you didn't hear it over their chatter.

[Eli]

I’m finding Becs’ contributions increasingly grating on the youtube highlights. It seems her and Julian Porter spend all day in the commentary booth shouting ‘Ooooooooooooo oooooooooo’.

Is that just the impression I’m getting from 3 mins of highlights or is it like that all day on WRC+?

I don’t know what’s worse; those two or David Croft’s F1 commenshoutery

It's like that all day, every day of each rally on WRC+ since it's inception, her and anyone is a bad combination but particularly her and PK and also her and Jules (aka Julian Porter), when they have no idea of what's gone on and for the most part just talk as if they're at the coffee shop 'cause their knowledge is next to nothing, and if someone tries to say something informative she immediately shuts them up.
I thought it was just me finding her annoying, even the ceremonial start questions are getting repetitive, I wish she and Kiri (at the very least) would get the boot but the chances of that happening are pretty much equal to another manufacturer joining the WRC in 2024.

[TypeR]

Commentators should be quiet during those 3-5s after flying finnish. Very often you hear interesting stuff from the crews.

Instead they talk over and only sometimes repeat what was said if it was in a language they understand. Even worse is when they comment on what was said ("interesting comment") and you didn't hear it over their chatter.
It's a rare thing, that I agree with you :D (tho You argue very politely), but these exact moments just after finish are usually very interesting and real emotions.
+1 that it's too bad they are overtalking most of the times..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The worst thing they ever did was having two commenators as they then insist on having a continual conversation and never shut up. This now happens in all sports and its ruined the viewing most of them.

I spend most of the time with the volume right down and just raise it for the driver interviews at stage end.

[AndyRAC]

The advice of the late, great Richie Benaud (cricket commentator in Australia/ England) was to "let the pictures tell the story" - you don't need to talk every second.

[seb_sh]

The worst thing they ever did was having two commenators as they then insist on having a continual conversation and never shut up. This now happens in all sports and its ruined the viewing most of them.

I spend most of the time with the volume right down and just raise it for the driver interviews at stage end.

There is a good way and a bad way to do it. The bad way we know already (eg. Becs + PK). The good way is the 2nd commentator is a technical commentators who takes time to think and give insight. Unfortunately the WRC+ gang seems to be there too long. Frankly the product they offer to people who dare to pay for a niche product is embarrasing. Take a look at F1TV, they got their fair share of criticism but the current crew is quite good I think.

[Brynmor Pierce]

The advice of the late, great Richie Benaud (cricket commentator in Australia/ England) was to "let the pictures tell the story" - you don't need to talk every second.

I did some live commentary on a British event back in March, what I did there was talk the cars into view, then let the cars do the talking and only talk again as they went out of view.
The viewer doesn’t need to be told what they can see, and that’s the issue with having very good radio commentators (who paint a beautiful picture with words) doing TV commentary , where you need to compliment the image with insight.
It’s a difficult job and the 2 1/2 hr stint I did was challenging, so over three days I dread to imagine, but currently it’s very muddled.

[Sulland]

Wow, we actually got to see the rest of the Rc2 cars and all Rc3 cars on 1 stage this rally!!

The organizers and wrc+ planners need to talk, so we get at least 1 stage per day, so 3 in a WRC Rally.

[seb_sh]

I did some live commentary on a British event back in March, what I did there was talk the cars into view, then let the cars do the talking and only talk again as they went out of view.
The viewer doesn’t need to be told what they can see, and that’s the issue with having very good radio commentators (who paint a beautiful picture with words) doing TV commentary , where you need to compliment the image with insight.
It’s a difficult job and the 2 1/2 hr stint I did was challenging, so over three days I dread to imagine, but currently it’s very muddled.

that's a good way to put it, they're doing radio commentary on a TV broadcast; unsurprisingly it quickly wears thin on the audience, especially when said audience is mainly composed of enthusiasts

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ironically they had the answer - a no comms audio option - and got rid of it !

[erikli2]

One week left until the new "Rally TV" will be released. Wonder if there will be any changes to the broadcasts or only the plattform (app/features etc).


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[lancia037]

Good start to Rally TV ,try to log in to my account but shows an error, "exceeds the time difference "try again. Wow ,Who knew there was a time between Australia and Europe, the mind boggles

[satnav]

I logged in , had to change my password, it then states that i need a subscription, i have a subscription, logged out then back in and it's all working ? crazy

[cali]

Had to change the pw but other than that it was very smooth

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[1988senna]

Anyone know how to buy WRC+ in most cheapest way ??

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm all subscribed and it went really smoothly. All ready for this weekends Barum Czech Rally and WRX of Germany! :cool:

[Tanelv]

Yesterday I logged in, had to change password, but no matter how many logins-logouts, still I do not see the active subscription (I had a yearly pass in WRC+). Wrote an e-mail to rally.tv (which was really hard to find as they try to get along with the chat robot, which was useless in my case), but still no answer. Anyone else having troubles with regaining the old WRC+ subscription in the new platform?

[DoN_cz]

I'm having exactly the same problem. Also sent an email (via the chatbot) but got no reply.

[rallyfiend]

I had no problems. Smooth and easy.

[Mirek]

I'm having exactly the same problem. Also sent an email (via the chatbot) but got no reply.

Had the same issue but it was solved very quickly with the support. Unfortunately the way to get the help is pretty well hidden. You have to open the discussion with the chatbot and write there "submit a request". Afterwards the bot asks you your name, your email and a description of your problem. I got an email from the support within half an hour after I created the ticket and the issue was solved near instantly.

https://help.rally.tv/hc/en-us/articles/9948064246172-Ticket-Submission-Guide

[DoN_cz]

Yeah, it is sorted now - though I did what you describe as first thing in the morning, when I found out I have this problem. So in my case, it took them several hours to fix it.

[Mirek]

Yeah, it is sorted now - though I did what you describe as first thing in the morning, when I found out I have this problem. So in my case, it took them several hours to fix it.

Perhaps the support sits in Mexico and they were all still sleeping :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really disappointed to see that you cant cast the stream from the App to your TV. .. especially when it's called Rally TV ! :(

[manthey]

Really disappointed to see that you cant cast the stream from the App to your TV. .. especially when it's called Rally TV ! :(Is goint to be implemented or simply not possible?

[SubaruNorway]

Also no volume button, just mute. More like a downgrade this

[RS]

Really disappointed to see that you cant cast the stream from the App to your TV. .. especially when it's called Rally TV ! :(

Maybe they still can’t get the sound to link up to the video? Hopefully they can fix that issue and then get casting working.. otherwise a backward step.

[EstWRC]

I won’t say anything until Greece but I already see from the comments that they are on their ”best” quality

[DoN_cz]

Also surprised that the Rally TV app is not supported for Android TV - or atleast I don't see it in the app store on my Philips TV. WRC+ worked fine for years.

So yes, "awesome" update.

[erikli2]

Also surprised that the Rally TV app is not supported for Android TV - or atleast I don't see it in the app store on my Philips TV. WRC+ worked fine for years.

So yes, "awesome" update.

Agree, sounds like we´ll have to wait until next year. for that.

"A complete relaunch of the WRC+ Smart TV apps into Rally.TV is planned for January 2024. Our dedicated team is working tirelessly to bring you the finest features and functionalities. Stay tuned for an immersive and thrilling Smart TV experience like never before.

https://help.rally.tv/hc/en-us/articles/9455903796252-When-Will-Rally-tv-Become-Available-on-Smart-Tv-

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is goint to be implemented or simply not possible?


Maybe they still can’t get the sound to link up to the video? Hopefully they can fix that issue and then get casting working.. otherwise a backward step.

Their reply to me was to cast from my computer. No mention of casting from the App coming soon...

[erikli2]

Casting works fine from my android phone to my tv

[Doon]

I tried to sign in to the WRC app on a Samsung TV. It no long works. Why didn’t they just wait until the end of the season to stop supporting the current app and then launch the new one?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Casting works fine from my android phone to my tv

The cast symbol has just appeared on mine this morning !

[DoN_cz]

On the Rally.TV website, is there any way to watch re-live the friday/saturday stages from ERC Barum Rally? I can only find saturday coverage (no friday), but once I select the stage, it just pops up a window without any video. Sundays stages pop up a window with PLAY button and do actually work.

EDIT: found out - I was using the TV Guide, which shows only options -1 day. But from the Home screen you have to scroll down to ERC Rallies, then click on Barum and then you have full list of the broadcasts.

EDIT2: well, it sort of works. Unless you want to play any of the "Studio from Otrokovice" - when you click it, nothing happends. And when I want to play the powerstage, I get error A-2006.

[Mirek]

The cast symbol has just appeared on mine this morning !

I swear had it there at one moment on Saturday but when I actually wanted to use it was gone.

[seb_sh]

hopefully they fix the new app and website, so far it's a downgrade on features and usability compared to the old one. I also had trouble finding the re-live for the ERC round, it's under "TV Guide" who's the genius that came up with that?

I had low expectations - I thought it would be the same just under a new address and design but so far it's a bit worse.

[SubaruNorway]

You can also go through Home, ERC rallies

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I swear had it there at one moment on Saturday but when I actually wanted to use it was gone.

I'm glad it's not just me. I thought I somehow missed seeing it originally, but now I know I was right and it wasn't there until Saturday !

[DoN_cz]

BTW, maybe not everyone is aware of this: in Edge browser, you can click the 3 dots in topright corner, select "More Tools" and from there "Cast Media to Device" - this way you can cast basically any content from your computer right to your TV. That is how I'm going to watch Rally.TV on my TV (casting from Edge browser).

[Katvala]

I haven't visited the new site yet, but I get multiple "payment successful" mails per day for some days now. I have already a cancelled plan and no money has been transferred

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[MentalParadox]

This is utterly incomprehensible. I haven't checked WRC+ in weeks so I wasn't aware there had been any change... suddenly I get a mail from "Rally.TV" (never heard of it) talking about an upcoming "renewal" (????), then an email about a payment that failed, a message saying a payment succeeded (89 euro, which is not consistent with the Rally.TV yearly pass price of 99 euro, so what is this, a glitchy leftover from WRC+...?), then a mail from the WRC saying they charged me $0. What the heck. It's as if they made everything as confusing as humanly possible.

Then when I try to log in to this Rally.TV thing using my WRC+ login, it created a new account instead and tells me to get a new subscription!!! I can't even. Now I guess I get to experience the joys of trying to contact support...?

EDIT: I checked PayPal and WRC Promoter DID charge me 89,99 yesterday. But this Rally.TV account I have says "reactivate subscription" under "annual pass". "Monthly pass" says "changes unavailable" and is greyed out, whatever that means.

EDIT EDIT: Oh my God, this is either a massive glitch, or fraud of the highest order. I check the order history of the Rally.TV account I have literally just created with my old WRC+ account login. It says I purchased a subscription on August 4 2023, set to renew on September 2 2023. I did no such thing. And it says I paid with an app called "Adyen". I have never heard of this app and didn't even know it existed. I'm a PayPal user. This is fraud and I'm calling my bank.

[Christos Kolperiadis]

I have similar problems. I have paid and they ask me to subscribe. I have sent emails and trying to find a solution...

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[Jewy46]

This is utterly incomprehensible. I haven't checked WRC+ in weeks so I wasn't aware there had been any change... suddenly I get a mail from "Rally.TV" (never heard of it) talking about an upcoming "renewal" (????), then an email about a payment that failed, a message saying a payment succeeded (89 euro, which is not consistent with the Rally.TV yearly pass price of 99 euro, so what is this, a glitchy leftover from WRC+...?), then a mail from the WRC saying they charged me $0. What the heck. It's as if they made everything as confusing as humanly possible.

Then when I try to log in to this Rally.TV thing using my WRC+ login, it created a new account instead and tells me to get a new subscription!!! I can't even. Now I guess I get to experience the joys of trying to contact support...?

EDIT: I checked PayPal and WRC Promoter DID charge me 89,99 yesterday. But this Rally.TV account I have says "reactivate subscription" under "annual pass". "Monthly pass" says "changes unavailable" and is greyed out, whatever that means.

EDIT EDIT: Oh my God, this is either a massive glitch, or fraud of the highest order. I check the order history of the Rally.TV account I have literally just created with my old WRC+ account login. It says I purchased a subscription on August 4 2023, set to renew on September 2 2023. I did no such thing. And it says I paid with an app called "Adyen". I have never heard of this app and didn't even know it existed. I'm a PayPal user. This is fraud and I'm calling my bank.

Hi there!
Any update on this?
I am experiencing the same situation....

[1988senna]

Did any one know what's the cheapest way to buy WRC+ now , Any promo code or any other way to purchase

[Eli]

Does anyone here have a Samsung TV? I've been trying to update the WRC app to Rally TV with no success, also tried the browser with no luck. Also, why is it that although I cancelled my WRC+ subscription a bit less than a month ago and I got an email saying saying my last payment would be in the middle of August, it's still being renewed for September when I logged in to my account in rally.tv. What a mess.

[EstWRC]

They renewed my subscription although I had canceled it but they didn’t charge anything for it.

lol

[Eli]

They renewed my subscription although I had canceled it but they didn’t charge anything for it.

lol

Their level of competence is something else.

[seb_sh]

Obviously the other members who got charged extra times are paying for you guys who got it for free. it would be funny if they weren't screwing people over.

This whole debacle is incredible, in 2023 it is not acceptable to launch an online service in such a shit state. They could have delayed it, the old one was at least working and had almost all basic feature you can expect from an app. Some manager over there needs to get fired.

[erikli2]

Does anyone here have a Samsung TV? I've been trying to update the WRC app to Rally TV with no success, also tried the browser with no luck. Also, why is it that although I cancelled my WRC+ subscription a bit less than a month ago and I got an email saying saying my last payment would be in the middle of August, it's still being renewed for September when I logged in to my account in rally.tv. What a mess.

The TV apps will be released in 2024, so casting is the only option if you want to watch it on the TV.

[Eli]

The TV apps will be released in 2024, so casting is the only option if you want to watch it on the TV.

Yep that's what I did. They should've launched the whole thing in 2024 and not like this when it's half baked.

[TypeR]

They are doing really hard work and still learning.
Don't be mad, okay..

[SubaruNorway]

This site is so scuffed i can't believe it

[linni]

They are doing really hard work and still learning.
Don't be mad, okay..

Yes, they are. For the last 3 - 4 -5 or more years already Called imitating the whatever it is. Just a joke. Charging loads of money for a ridiculous service.

And - considering today´s broadcasts, going the worst way.

[1988senna]

Dose any body tried to test ,How many people can log in and watch the live with the same account at the same time

[EstWRC]

Live maps working for anyone?

[Rallyest]

So no image from the stage? great

Not sure if i can stand the whole SS listening and seeing Kiri and Julien blabber

[TypeR]

So no image from the stage? great

Not sure if i can stand the whole SS listening and seeing Kiri and Julien blabber about jibberish
That's awful..

[RallyFan13]

I just lost 10,99 from my bank account without an active subscription plan!! I have sent messages without answering

[Tauri_J]

I just lost 10,99 from my bank account without an active subscription plan!! I have sent messages without answering

I have paid nothing and I can watch live TV

[RS2500]

I am trying to open wrc+ app on my samsung tv but it just stays blank screen and tried to download the rallytv app but nothing happened . Are we not able to watch wrc+ on the app at all ???

[Eli]

I am trying to open wrc+ app on my samsung tv but it just stays blank screen and tried to download the rallytv app but nothing happened . Are we not able to watch wrc+ on the app at all ???

Nope, tried the same thing yesterday, only way to watch it is through airplay/screen mirroring. No TV app until 2024 like someone here mentioned.

[Rallyper]

Is Rally TV only way to watch?
They have graphics which is crazy.
On my computer Stage times is not shown, but O/A is also on that page... without times all of them...
Weird..

[240RS]

Today has been utterly frustrating trying to follow stage times.

The new wrc.com live timing interface is simply awful. You have to constantly drag the page to view stage times. If this was meant to be an improvement, please, please, please. . .give us the old page back!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Today has been utterly frustrating trying to follow stage times.

The new wrc.com live timing interface is simply awful. You have to constantly drag the page to view stage times. If this was meant to be an improvement, please, please, please. . .give us the old page back!

Garbage isnt it. Just how ?

And I use two tabs side by side - RallyTV pictures in one and WRC.com times and splits on the other.

[satnav]

I have paid nothing and I can watch live TV

You sound like one of the lucky ones, by the sounds of things .

[satnav]

Thankfully i was able to watch via BT Sport app today, with ewrc open at the same time for timing, and thanks to Fast Eddie i'll have WRC.com open tomorrow for splits

[linni]

Double.

[linni]

Today has been utterly frustrating trying to follow stage times.

The new wrc.com live timing interface is simply awful. You have to constantly drag the page to view stage times. If this was meant to be an improvement, please, please, please. . .give us the old page back!

Use rally tv - live maps and click a small icon on the left bottom corner of the map. Superfast splits and other timing.

[EstWRC]

Useless piece of shit. Live maps doesn’t work on iOS app. Went to browser version then, from there it lead to Barum really highlights when I click on it. “On now and next” is just a banner. Nothing happens when I click on that, so I have to make double clicks to get to the live by clicking view full tv guide and then on the same banner.

I use it only for live maps and now the only thing I was using isn’t working properly

Huge step backwards. The old worked well

[SubaruNorway]

Where did the end bit of ss7 go? Only got Neuville close to last split....

[SubaruNorway]

Missed start of ss10 because i couldn't rewind.
Not possible to cast onboards from neither Mac or phone, just says ready to cast...

[EstWRC]

I see that they have fixed the live maps problem, it’s working now in the app.

At least with iOS

[Eli]

Is it Sean Johnston on co-commentary?

[ouvreur]

Is it Sean Johnston on co-commentary?

Yep. Pleasant job so far.

[Mirek]

Yep. Pleasant job so far.

He even co-commented both the English and German versions.

[Eli]

Got this email yesterday:

Dear Rally.TV user,

Another wild season of twists and turns has come and gone for FIA World Rally Championship, FIA European Rally Championship and FIA World Rallycross Championship! We trust you've been revved up by the exhilarating rallies and races all year round, thanks to your new home of rally, Rally.TV. With all championships under the same roof for the first time as well as all the fantastic features you've come to love - they're all here to stay! We're committed to keeping your heart racing with 24/7 rally content.

New features are coming up next year, like a brand-new look for the live updates, the return of the rally radio and the eagerly anticipated Rally.TV Smart TV apps.

However, beside these positive changes and improvements on our product offerings and features, our own costs have unfortunately increased and that’s why we'll be tweaking our prices for the monthly and annual Rally.TV subscriptions. From 10th January 2024, the monthly subscription will be €12.99 and the annual subscription €119.99. Your existing pass will continue to run at the old prices until the end of your current billing period (monthly/annual).

Should these changes not fit into your racing strategy, we'll be sad to see you go. You can voice your objection in accordance with our terms and conditions until the end of 10th of January via our chatbot. Please indicate the email address you've registered with on Rally.TV. Without your objection the new price will apply from the next renewal date.

Thank you for your support and understanding. We can't wait to share another thrilling rally season with you!

Ready, set, rally on!

Does the return of Rally Radio means we'll be reverting to the line-up of commentary we had pre-covid? and that maybe we'll hear the voice of Becks Williams on live stages (on TV that is)?

[wwbroe]

Got this email yesterday:

Dear Rally.TV user,

Another wild season of twists and turns has come and gone for FIA World Rally Championship, FIA European Rally Championship and FIA World Rallycross Championship! We trust you've been revved up by the exhilarating rallies and races all year round, thanks to your new home of rally, Rally.TV. With all championships under the same roof for the first time as well as all the fantastic features you've come to love - they're all here to stay! We're committed to keeping your heart racing with 24/7 rally content.

New features are coming up next year, like a brand-new look for the live updates, the return of the rally radio and the eagerly anticipated Rally.TV Smart TV apps.

However, beside these positive changes and improvements on our product offerings and features, our own costs have unfortunately increased and that’s why we'll be tweaking our prices for the monthly and annual Rally.TV subscriptions. From 10th January 2024, the monthly subscription will be €12.99 and the annual subscription €119.99. Your existing pass will continue to run at the old prices until the end of your current billing period (monthly/annual).

Should these changes not fit into your racing strategy, we'll be sad to see you go. You can voice your objection in accordance with our terms and conditions until the end of 10th of January via our chatbot. Please indicate the email address you've registered with on Rally.TV. Without your objection the new price will apply from the next renewal date.

Thank you for your support and understanding. We can't wait to share another thrilling rally season with you!

Ready, set, rally on!

Does the return of Rally Radio means we'll be reverting to the line-up of commentary we had pre-covid? and that maybe we'll hear the voice of Becks Williams on live stages (on TV that is)?

Got this e-mail as well. I noticed that they are going to raise the prize once more?

[Eli]

Got this e-mail as well. I noticed that they are going to raise the prize once more?

Yes by €2 a month I believe.

[TypeR]

If only interested to watch WRC events, then 7x 1month subs is 91eur vs whole year 120eur. (some ERC rallies also matchwith these dates)

[WRCStan]

Does the return of Rally Radio means we'll be reverting to the line-up of commentary we had pre-covid? and that maybe we'll hear the voice of Becks Williams on live stages (on TV that is)?

It'll probably be an audio only option, similar to 2023 if you close your eyes.

[stanm3]

Does anyone know when the app will finally be on TV?

[Mirek]

Guys, is it possible to somehow replay the yesterday's SD live footage?

[TypeR]

Guys, is it possible to somehow replay the yesterday's SD live footage?
This?

https://www.youtube.com/live/x-YSGPz_8vg?si=9zl-ZHNfGo6YQ19E

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone getting chrome cast to work? Error A-2006 from Mac and no icon on android

[mknight]

Does anyone know when the app will finally be on TV?

Samsung TV now has RallyTV app that works.

[deephouse]

Anyone getting chrome cast to work? Error A-2006 from Mac and no icon on android

Mine did work after few attempts. After refreshing site. Quite sad that there still isn't the app available on official android tv.

[Rd. Vortex]

Anyone getting chrome cast to work? Error A-2006 from Mac and no icon on android

Not Chromecast, but getting Error A-2006 when trying to play videos from the Monte rally with my Apple TV 4k (3rd Geneneration). Obviously they've once again managed to mess something up, since the same error shows up on completely different platforms. Oh well, at least AirPlay still works fine for me...

[ceemic]

Any promo codes available this year?

[SubaruNorway]

Casting from the app works after an updated at least, still not from Mac after restarting.

[Mirek]

This?

https://www.youtube.com/live/x-YSGPz_8vg?si=9zl-ZHNfGo6YQ19E

Ah, yes, I was searching for it in RallyTV and didn't see any play button there. Thanks.

[Gonek]

Why there is no broadcasting from service? It was nice and interesting to watch the mechanics working on the car.

[Sulland]

I go press live on MC24, and is sent to MC2020 coverage.
why RallyTV crew,why?

[SubaruNorway]

Why there is no broadcasting from service? It was nice and interesting to watch the mechanics working on the car.

Working hours too long is my guess, German working laws

[Morte66]

In the TV guide, I can see that coverage of stage 12 starts at 14:00. But that will open with various introductions, highlights from earlier stages, etc.

Is there a way to tell what time the first car will be off the line?

Edit: https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2024 and scroll down for the schedule. Real times may vary, of course.

[Sulland]

I am still turning down sound to not having to listen to Becks and whoever of the brits commentating with her.
As long as there is no expert with WRC2 or higher driving experience. For me, the native speakers provides a lot of useless bla bla, we deserve more than that!

[WRCStan]

In the TV guide, I can see that coverage of stage 12 starts at 14:00. But that will open with various introductions, highlights from earlier stages, etc.

Is there a way to tell what time the first car will be off the line?

Edit: https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2024 and scroll down for the schedule. Real times may vary, of course.

Been using ewrc for years for this purpose, unless I need the catch up which is useful.

[lmmjvss]

what are the chances of WRC uploading these 52min full highlights on youtube since the rally is already done?
I mean, that would be THE BEST stuff to have out there not behind a paywall. Even if they upload only a week after the event or something like this.
Oh, no highlights on RedBull Rally youtube channel. The highlights there used to be a little bit better and longer. Nothing from Monte so far

[ictus]

what are the chances of WRC uploading these 52min full highlights on youtube since the rally is already done?
I mean, that would be THE BEST stuff to have out there not behind a paywall. Even if they upload only a week after the event or something like this.
Oh, no highlights on RedBull Rally youtube channel. The highlights there used to be a little bit better and longer. Nothing from Monte so far

you have 30min highlights from each day on redbull.tv absolutly free

[typhoon]

you have 30min highlights from each day on redbull.tv absolutly free

The visibility of Red Bull TV is nothing even closely comparable to the reach you can get on YT. They would have a lot more views on YouTube and get some proper money from ads as well. I really can't understand it...

[seb_sh]

some thoughts:
- Mike Chen really elevates the commentary, he is more assertive and informative and doesn't constantly get confused like PK for example, also they seem to take more breaks to allow the co-driver to be heard. Becsy seems to be pulled up or down by her co-commentator so it's crucial who she is paired with. They just need a driver with recent at least Rally2 experience for some actual expertise. Someone like Greensmith for example would be fine.
- I liked the picture in picture showing stage preparation or stuff that happenes like Solberg fixing his wheel, it's a great way to show the atmosphere of rallying. I would prefer if this channel is muted since the wheel gun for example when showing Oliver changing the wheel was distracting
- I like that they copied Dirtfish to show things between the stages. The pre-day interviews that Coling Clark does are one of my favourite moments. Unfortunately Julian Porter is not the best for this as he does not have the charisma and rapport that Colin Clark has with the drivers. Also it seems they didn't choose the right moment as the crews were busy and nobody talked to them. Good idea bad execution.
- I liked that for 2 stages they stayed long and showed even the little guys. It was good for them and also nice to show the reality of rallying and also to have a comparison to how those guys were driving and the top guys.
- The app and website are still unacceptable: randomly getting logged off, can not open links in a new tab by right clicking, also I suspect the way the site is made is terrible for accesibility for people using screen readers for example, the mobile app randomly decides not to work or desync sound - I watched mostly on PC. In general it's still worse than the old app/website and costs more. I am glad I decided to only take a month sub and I think that between the calendar and my own travelling this year I only need 3 or 4 single month subs.

What I would personally expect so that 120 euros per year is worth it:
- an expert commentator like I said above, with recent high level experience
- an app and website that works normally
- as a minimum I would expect to be able to select on board feed from at least 6 Rally1 cars besides the TV feed. This is maybe a nice to have but all other online motorsport streaming services give you this option - the plane is there and the individual feeds get to the TV van anyway, it can't be that hard to add more streams (if you know what you're doing and have the hardware). As a bonus it would be awesome to have the helicopter channel as well and it would be something unique.
- "ambient" sound channel (no commentary) - also nice to have but surely it's trivial to add...

I believe these are not exagerated considering what is available for other series.

[wyler]

The visibility of Red Bull TV is nothing even closely comparable to the reach you can get on YT. They would have a lot more views on YouTube and get some proper money from ads as well. I really can't understand it...

there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUhoMj3DVb4&t=113s

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I am still turning down sound to not having to listen to Becks and whoever of the brits commentating with her.
As long as there is no expert with WRC2 or higher driving experience. For me, the native speakers provides a lot of useless bla bla, we deserve more than that!

Me too ! And new-boy Mike Chen is as annoying as all the rest.

[the sniper]

The visibility of Red Bull TV is nothing even closely comparable to the reach you can get on YT. They would have a lot more views on YouTube and get some proper money from ads as well. I really can't understand it...

I don't think they want to give the impression that they're giving them away for free, whereas as with Red Bull TV they can pretend they have sold the rights on some kind of commercial basis, even if in reality it's just an internal transfer of money within Red Bull. It's probably more palatable to the likes of BT Sport who have been sold a domestic rights package, inclusive of those highlights shows.

[AndyRAC]

The visibility of Red Bull TV is nothing even closely comparable to the reach you can get on YT. They would have a lot more views on YouTube and get some proper money from ads as well. I really can't understand it...

Which is why the UCI went with Discovery/Eurosport for the MTB World Cup; RBTV isn't going to bring in massive numbers of viewers........only those who already know about the sport.

[the sniper]

Another issue with You Tube is that it rather publicly highlights how many people, or rather how few, may actually be watching your program...

[Myrvold]

some thoughts:
What I would personally expect so that 120 euros per year is worth it:
- as a minimum I would expect to be able to select on board feed from at least 6 Rally1 cars besides the TV feed. This is maybe a nice to have but all other online motorsport streaming services give you this option - the plane is there and the individual feeds get to the TV van anyway, it can't be that hard to add more streams (if you know what you're doing and have the hardware). As a bonus it would be awesome to have the helicopter channel as well and it would be something unique.

I believe these are not exagerated considering what is available for other series.

That will cost a lot more than 120EUR a year... These things are so much simpler on a small circuit.

[seb_sh]

That will cost a lot more than 120EUR a year... These things are so much simpler on a small circuit.

I don't think so. The plane is circling overhead receiving from all on boards and relays them to the tv truck where the director can mix them as they want. It's already there they just need to set up extra streams. Is there something I'm missing?

[ictus]

I am still turning down sound to not having to listen to Becks and whoever of the brits commentating with her.
As long as there is no expert with WRC2 or higher driving experience. For me, the native speakers provides a lot of useless bla bla, we deserve more than that!

"we" as in "internet forum nerds" who know more about the sport than 99,99% of the people capable of deacent commenting.
For the majority of viewers it's more than enough

[wyler]

I don't think so. The plane is circling overhead receiving from all on boards and relays them to the tv truck where the director can mix them as they want. It's already there they just need to set up extra streams. Is there something I'm missing?

yep, the "just set up extra streams" part1 : )

[seb_sh]

yep, the "just set up extra streams" part1 : )

I suppose it's a hard task for the ones that made the great app and website, they can barely make the 1 stream work on your tv :p

[wyler]

I suppose it's a hard task for the ones that made the great app and website, they can barely make the 1 stream work on your tv :p

it is as simple as this: pay more.

I found totally nonsense this "best services for null costs" request. and the related heavy irony too.

[Gustav Andel]

My wish to improve Rally.tv

- add the option to FX audio
- the ability to control volume with more than just on/off
- better arrangement of the library or re-live videos - there are times when e.g. due to SS delay you can't find the right video or continuation of the race footage

[seb_sh]

it is as simple as this: pay more.

I found totally nonsense this "best services for null costs" request. and the related heavy irony too.

I don't think you want to understand.

a. It's already the most expensive motorsport streaming service. I'm not requesting everything for nothing as you claim.
b. The additional streams are trivial since they have nothing to do with geography or the remote-ness of WRC as the data is already at the same place as the existing stream, maybe you are unaware, but video streaming is not exactly NASA grade technology anymore.
c. I can't pay more since this is all they offer...

[wyler]

I don't think you want to understand.

a. It's already the most expensive motorsport streaming service. I'm not requesting everything for nothing as you claim.
b. The additional streams are trivial since they have nothing to do with geography or the remote-ness of WRC as the data is already at the same place as the existing stream, maybe you are unaware, but video streaming is not exactly NASA grade technology anymore.
c. I can't pay more since this is all they offer...

sorry, maybe you don't know much about what you talkin about, some things are out of focus...

a. it's not the price that matters. it's the cost. there's a difference. price is what customers pay, cost is what is needed to run the service. doesn't matter if it's already the most expensive service as it is. it matters that the cost to run/upgrade is higher than others. in other services, the cost is a) limited by context (track with technical facilities vs remote areas with production to be arranged) or b) divided into bigger numbers (1€ a fan for f1 will cover way more than 10€ a fan in wrc)

b. maybe you are unaware, but the real cost and difficulties are in data management, storage, and broadcast (to be clear: from "the same place" to you) . twice the streams, twice the capacity, twice the costs. it's not as easy as getting two camera feeds and you can choose in real time between them. u can have a split screen, where the data transmitted is the same, but if you want 2 streams at the same time you have to double the capacity, you need to have both streams from the broadcaster to your tv to choose one in real time, it's not that you choose and the broadcaster sends only one... (in fact, major problems of rallytv/all live are not in tv production, but on servers and data management)

c. that's the point about requesting everything for nothing. you can choose not to pay for sure, but you can't decide what is worth that price. at the moment that's the cost for basic ( or even under par ) production. if you want more you have to pay more. if you want the basic service that's the price. if you want something for a lower price, probably is not enough to sustain it.

[seb_sh]

sorry, maybe you don't know much about what you talkin about, some things are out of focus...

a. it's not the price that matters. it's the cost. there's a difference. price is what customers pay, cost is what is needed to run the service. doesn't matter if it's already the most expensive service as it is. it matters that the cost to run/upgrade is higher than others. in other services, the cost is a) limited by context (track with technical facilities vs remote areas with production to be arranged) or b) divided into bigger numbers (1€ a fan for f1 will cover way more than 10€ a fan in wrc)

b. maybe you are unaware, but the real cost and difficulties are in data management, storage, and broadcast (to be clear: from "the same place" to you) . twice the streams, twice the capacity, twice the costs. it's not as easy as getting two camera feeds and you can choose in real time between them. u can have a split screen, where the data transmitted is the same, but if you want 2 streams at the same time you have to double the capacity, you need to have both streams from the broadcaster to your tv to choose one in real time, it's not that you choose and the broadcaster sends only one... (in fact, major problems of rallytv/all live are not in tv production, but on servers and data management)

c. that's the point about requesting everything for nothing. you can choose not to pay for sure, but you can't decide what is worth that price. at the moment that's the cost for basic ( or even under par ) production. if you want more you have to pay more. if you want the basic service that's the price. if you want something for a lower price, probably is not enough to sustain it.

aha, ok now we're getting somwhere. about the multiple streams, yes it's about capacity but i'm asking for 6 extra not 600... There are third parties that specialise in things like this, I know they would have to stream all of them constantly but that could be done through an intermediate point at said 3rd parties which would then restream and offer the capacity to get it to consumers. It would be strange to move the server infrastructure around with you...

As for costs and price, I can decide if it's worth the price, that's fundamentally what I do as a consumer, I see what's being offered at what price and decide to buy it or not. I can also express my opinion about what would make it worth it for me. Even putting the on board streams aside for a moment, the improvements to the website and app and having an expert commentator are still valid missing things. People are in here asking for a simple volume control for crying out loud. That has nothing to do with remoteness or anything, the webdesigners and programmers worked in an office not in the forest with sticks and stones...

[deephouse]

It's unacceptable for this ''new service'' to be way worse than previous one with increased price. To me, it looks like they want to do it by minimal effort and get as much as they can to their pockets. Sorry, our reality. One helicopter or 30 drones. What is cheaper? They could make a site or app, when you could sign on and record with your phone and someone from office could then choose what to show on service, or at least for highlights. In any case everyone have their phones up and record every car.

[wyler]

aha, ok now we're getting somwhere. about the multiple streams, yes it's about capacity but i'm asking for 6 extra not 600... There are third parties that specialise in things like this, I know they would have to stream all of them constantly but that could be done through an intermediate point at said 3rd parties which would then restream and offer the capacity to get it to consumers. It would be strange to move the server infrastructure around with you...

As for costs and price, I can decide if it's worth the price, that's fundamentally what I do as a consumer, I see what's being offered at what price and decide to buy it or not. I can also express my opinion about what would make it worth it for me. Even putting the on board streams aside for a moment, the improvements to the website and app and having an expert commentator are still valid missing things. People are in here asking for a simple volume control for crying out loud. That has nothing to do with remoteness or anything, the webdesigners and programmers worked in an office not in the forest with sticks and stones...

agreed, but you seem to miss always the same point! all the things you consider so easy to do, they cost money. and most of the things you talk about (like 3rd party restream) cost really a lot. maybe the volume control not so much, it depends on the architecture of the website/service that probably is outsourced. i agree it has to be upgraded, definitely, i'm just saying it takes money, and i'm not that sure the customer of rallytv are enough in numbers to cover it.

[rallyfiend]

It's unacceptable for this ''new service'' to be way worse than previous one with increased price. To me, it looks like they want to do it by minimal effort and get as much as they can to their pockets. Sorry, our reality. One helicopter or 30 drones. What is cheaper? They could make a site or app, when you could sign on and record with your phone and someone from office could then choose what to show on service, or at least for highlights. In any case everyone have their phones up and record every car.

I suspect Rally TV is aimed at broadcasters. That's where the aggregated audience is. RallyTV is for the hardcore fans.

And broadcaster demand high-production value, HD quality content.

They can't just put some stream from some fool filming on his iphone (probably in dangerous positions!)

[seb_sh]

agreed, but you seem to miss always the same point! all the things you consider so easy to do, they cost money. and most of the things you talk about (like 3rd party restream) cost really a lot. maybe the volume control not so much, it depends on the architecture of the website/service that probably is outsourced. i agree it has to be upgraded, definitely, i'm just saying it takes money, and i'm not that sure the customer of rallytv are enough in numbers to cover it.

Fair enough, I may be underestimating the cost and user base needed to have multiple live streams. But yeah leaving that aside I'll be following to see if they bring improvements at least in other areas.

[wyler]

Fair enough, I may be underestimating the cost and user base needed to have multiple live streams. But yeah leaving that aside I'll be following to see if they bring improvements at least in other areas.

definitely, let's hope for increase in service, quality and follower!

[Rallyper]

I´m really impressed of the finnish media doing Live from Arctic Rally. Almost same as Rally TV. Pity though main language is finnish. Now and then commentaries in english, is good.
It´s on Youtube.
Using EWRC besides makes it perfect.

[Eli]

I´m really impressed of the finnish media doing Live from Arctic Rally. Almost same as Rally TV. Pity though main language is finnish. Now and then commentaries in english, is good.

On which channel are they showing the rally?

[Rallyper]

On which channel are they showing the rally?

Sorry. On Youtube. Just search Arctic Rally 2024

[Eli]

Sorry. On Youtube. Just search Arctic Rally 2024

Found it, thanks!

[Rallyper]

I´m really impressed of the finnish media doing Live from Arctic Rally. Almost same as Rally TV. Pity though main language is finnish. Now and then commentaries in english, is good.
It´s on Youtube.
Using EWRC besides makes it perfect.

Of course there´s no incar, but anyway it´s really good.

[PLuto]

Found it, thanks!

https://www.rallism.fi/content/en/1/10005/Home.html

[dupanton]

I´m really impressed of the finnish media doing Live from Arctic Rally. Almost same as Rally TV. Pity though main language is finnish. Now and then commentaries in english, is good.
It´s on Youtube.
Using EWRC besides makes it perfect.

Belgian Rally Championship does something very similar on facebook :)

[seb_sh]

That's pretty good and it's free. Thanks for the heads up! Maybe it's an idea to gather such broadcasts in an own thread. I suppose other countries have it too.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I could be beating a dead horse... but why can't WE the viewer, have a selection of options to the side of the screen on an unedited/packaged LIVE feed and choose which car that is live on stage and angle we want to view? Have a few screens/angles of difference cars all at once... with timings and then the ONE live feed out which is commentary and directed?

[dupanton]

The commentators are pretty useless, it was so obvious that Evans had no power (maxed out at +-160kph) but still they had no idea at all what was going on.

[WRCStan]

I could be beating a dead horse... but why can't WE the viewer, have a selection of options to the side of the screen on an unedited/packaged LIVE feed and choose which car that is live on stage and angle we want to view? Have a few screens/angles of difference cars all at once... with timings and then the ONE live feed out which is commentary and directed?

I've thought about this before and in place of an informed response I will guess it's down to bandwidth and distribution limitations of all these feeds from the source.

[PLuto]

I could be beating a dead horse... but why can't WE the viewer, have a selection of options to the side of the screen on an unedited/packaged LIVE feed and choose which car that is live on stage and angle we want to view? Have a few screens/angles of difference cars all at once... with timings and then the ONE live feed out which is commentary and directed?

This topic was discussed here many times. Transmition of data from cars is made through plane which is flying over the area. It is impossible to have transmission of all datas from all cameras in same time, it cannot work...

[WRCStan]

This topic was discussed here many times. Transmition of data from cars is made through plane which is flying over the area. It is impossible to have transmission of all datas from all cameras in same time, it cannot work...

Really? They're hardly a high bit rate and depth. You mean Rally HQ aren't monitoring spectators and safety and so on, and the TV gallery can't see moments to replay without relying on telemetry?

I don't see this as impossible from a professional setup when I see the amount of devices on a family house consumer wifi.

[seb_sh]

This topic was discussed here many times. Transmition of data from cars is made through plane which is flying over the area. It is impossible to have transmission of all datas from all cameras in same time, it cannot work...

I don't think that's the limitation because they show replays from on boards which were not shown live, so it means they have the video data already in the tv control center, where they can scrub through it and mix it in the main feed. If this is the case then it's nothing special and they could do what every other series does, yes those are on circuits but no it doesn't matter, if you have all the videos feeds it's exactly the same, circuits don't have data centers built into them either!

They could even stream it on free services such as twitch or youtube, but then they can't paywall it. So it's most likely a costs thing, since they then have to develop the website/app with these features themselves (a hard task for the team that developed the app with no sound control!) and pay for some service (like AWS) or own servers in a data center in order to broadcast at scale on the internet.

[PLuto]

I don't think that's the limitation because they show replays from on boards which were not shown live, so it means they have the video data already in the tv control center, where they can scrub through it and mix it in the main feed. If this is the case then it's nothing special and they could do what every other series does, yes those are on circuits but no it doesn't matter, if you have all the videos feeds it's exactly the same, circuits don't have data centers built into them either!

They could even stream it on free services such as twitch or youtube, but then they can't paywall it. So it's most likely a costs thing, since they then have to develop the website/app with these features themselves (a hard task for the team that developed the app with no sound control!) and pay for some service (like AWS) or own servers in a data center in order to broadcast at scale on the internet.

Believe me, they are not able to show all videos from all cars and all cameras in same time...

[seb_sh]

Believe me, they are not able to show all videos from all cars and all cameras in same time...

I believe you but I also believe they could show a few.

[typhoon]

agreed, but you seem to miss always the same point! all the things you consider so easy to do, they cost money. and most of the things you talk about (like 3rd party restream) cost really a lot. maybe the volume control not so much, it depends on the architecture of the website/service that probably is outsourced. i agree it has to be upgraded, definitely, i'm just saying it takes money, and i'm not that sure the customer of rallytv are enough in numbers to cover it.

That's basically the issue. The WRC Promoter's TV distribution architecture is based only on RallyTV-revenues and few highly-produced "World Feed" stages sold to Pay-TV. It's not sustainable in the long term and in the willing of developing your product. Instant solution: renegotiate the actual TV contract in order to allow another broadcaster to show fewer-but-free stages on FTA networks, so that you could have new revenues.

An Italian example that could easily work:
PAY TV Sky Sports pays around 350.000 euros per season to have the "World Feed package" (meaning 5-6 stages per event)
Add a new contract with public-service broadcaster RAI Sport to broadcast the first SSS and the final Wolf Power Stage for like 150.000 euros per season.

Multiply this new "media mix" with all the key markets (mainly in Europe) and you got 1 or 2 more millions to invest in increasing the product you're selling as WRC Promoter.

New revenues > new investments > new audience > new global sponsors > even more revenues.

It's not rocket science.

[Myrvold]

You mean Rally HQ aren't monitoring spectators and safety and so on

Outside the 0,00,000/safety cars, and general footage transmitted. No.

[dupanton]

They are watching live onboards from all cars as well

[FAlonso]

Rally TV is finally available on Android TV. Maybe other platforms as well.

[ToKu]

Outside the 0,00,000/safety cars, and general footage transmitted. No.

I'm pretty sure, that they are watching live onboards and calling safeties with orders for spectators.

But....

If they are going to cancel the stage, well, in reality this is possible only during 0's cars passage.

[WRCStan]

I'm pretty sure, that they are watching live onboards and calling safeties with orders for spectators.

This was published 20th Feb, immediately after the chat here. Safety delegate explains just that here, meanwhile the screens on the walls show plenty of live feeds.

https://youtu.be/RMgedJlrJ-w?t=463

The whole video is worth a watch.

[seb_sh]

So I got some info from someone who knows a bit more, to lay to rest the onboards discussion, the streaming part would not be an issue, would just cost some extra money but the plane can't indeed cover the whole stage. The screen we saw with the onboards is something put together from a few cars that are on the stage and in range of the plane, the content would constantly change depending on who's there.

So yeah i suppose it's not gonna happen unless they make RallyTV PRO version which costs 240e and they get a second plane up there :D

[WRCStan]

the plane can't indeed cover the whole stage.

I'm not calling anybody a liar and will take your word for it, but I find this difficult to believe. I'd believe it can't cover every car in the rally over multiple stages, but a Rally1 class of ~10 cars which are never on two stages at the same time should not be a problem.

Another thing is there being a need for humans to watch all screens for content purposes, they shouldn't be streaming road sections or cockpit chit chat etc by accident.

[seb_sh]

I'm not calling anybody a liar and will take your word for it, but I find this difficult to believe. I'd believe it can't cover every car in the rally over multiple stages, but a Rally1 class of ~10 cars which are never on two stages at the same time should not be a problem.

Another thing is there being a need for humans to watch all screens for content purposes, they shouldn't be streaming road sections or cockpit chit chat etc by accident.

The technological limit is the range/distance that it can receive data from the on-board cameras. I thought it circles the whole stage but it seems it's a smaller area. So it's not so much about the number of feeds, cars or streams it's the distance to the signal that's the issue.

Also it now makes more sense how they show the cars, first couple of cars from the start of the stage and then as they get to the end new cars are picked up from the middle somewhere. So because of that you can't see any specific car through the stage uninterupted unless the plane moves along with that car.

[1988senna]

if it's the distance and signal transfer issue ,why can't use multiple drones to replace the helicopter, just for group 1 cars onboard live??

[seb_sh]

if it's the distance and signal transfer issue ,why can't use multiple drones to replace the helicopter, just for group 1 cars onboard live??

How would that help? The helicopter is not the receiver, the receiver is the aeroplane circling above.

[traxx]

Unable to watch the stages for me, just live is ok, anybody else with the same issue ?

[Morte66]

Unable to watch the stages for me, just live is ok, anybody else with the same issue ?

Yes, I've had the same since yesterday.

I was able to watch one replay (SS1) on the rally.tv app on my Android phone, but only the one.

[SubaruNorway]

I had to re log in on the Mac twice.
Also just noticed i got drawn twice for the subscription, seems like you should do it directly, not pay through paypal or other like i did according to the FAQ.
Need to cancel and request refund from paypal, just a heads up.

[Myrvold]

I was unable to watch on Thursday, every time I changed feed, it said I had to subscribe. If I were able to actually get to the SS1 feed. It was just loading.

I watched a bit of SS1 earlier today, and now it's not even opening the website.

[Morte66]

I just checked. It is working for me now in the browser, to watch stages from earlier today.

[Myrvold]

I just checked. It is working for me now in the browser, to watch stages from earlier today.


Worked for me last night as well, but back to not working now. Just stuck in an endless loading loop (and the screen showing the last picture of the stream, so when trying to load in SS8, I got to see the result from the stage... perfect.

I've been a supporter of this since they started all live. I've felt they do a good job considering how rally is, and the cost it must be to do it all. However this rally have so far been poor from rally.tv

EDIT: Seems like they are not splitting the stages properly. It starts to load the stage/service park, then it just ends up doing a forever "load live" loop.

[Myrvold]

SS8 is now possible to watch. The rest from Saturday... is not.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice to see WRC showing this raw footage. So much better without the annoying comms you get over the All Lve and highlights.

https://youtu.be/_EI94SF54aA?si=QDfokVFCP3xhVE7O

[GigiGalliNo1]

Shame I can't find the Media Zone/Service broadcasts from rallies between stages on the LIVE footage... or am I missing something? Was this feature taken out?

[deephouse]

Shame I can't find the Media Zone/Service broadcasts from rallies between stages on the LIVE footage... or am I missing something? Was this feature taken out?

Of course they taken out, you get less for more money. The app or the whole platform is hard to navigate, you literaly need to turn every piece to find live stages.

[saco0o]

just want to admit i stop paying for 'wrc+' last season to watch only the highlights on redbull tv. however the safari round last week i didnt even watched that, only the youtube highlights. i guess im totally losing interest because of all the drama. weird. i remember losing interest in indycars by 2014 also because of all the drama on everything. never watched a full race anymore (other than almost all the indy500s since then). does anyone moved out from watching wrc+ to highlights only too?

[lancia037]

I also didn't renew my subscription, but for me it was because being in Aus,it means this nearly all Euro series
is always middle of the night ,my time .
Trying to catch-up the following day, is hopeless as some stages load, most don't.
Became a frustrating waste of my time and money

[Rallyper]

Well, 99 Euro might not be that much of waisting money, would it?

I think WRC+ is contributing all you´d miss elsewhere. To me it´s the best way of following WRC, except from being in Finland live... ;)

[Backa]

does anyone moved out from watching wrc+ to highlights only too?

It's other way around for me, I followed WRC semi-regularly in 2010s but discovering some rally games, then Red Bull TV get me hooked on more and I decided to subscribe to Rally.tv last year

Although I remember being big fan in 2002-2005 as a kid and then slowly losing interest later due to many manufacturers and charismatic drivers leaving series.

[Rallyest]

If anyone is interested in buying or is having the game, i got the new ea wrc game, and through EA sportnet i got a promo code that gave me rallytv subscription free for 3 months

[FAlonso]

Is the Rally Tv app gone from the Android TV platform? It just disappeared since the last update. Anyone else experiencing this?

[Co-driven]

Is the Rally Tv app gone from the Android TV platform? It just disappeared since the last update. Anyone else experiencing this?

Apparently yes. I had the same issue...

[saco0o]

after that YouTube channel with tons of old rallying videos was 'stopped', now its time for one rallycross YouTube channel to have the same end. https://youtube.com/@rallygreat2660?feature=shared looks like he hasnt been able to keep the rx videos on that page. lots of them are gone. he wasnt very explicit, but hes stopping posting this month. Idk if rallyTV is behind all of that but eh....... theres only one promoter in this planet that doesnt want drivers filming their events to post content on social media....

[tonirali]

I'm guessing this is related to the rallying tapes being taken down. They've used a few old videos for content with the drivers, and also the latest article about Portugal 1988 very openly reads as a description of an old rally tape. With Andrea Adamo narrating, maybe?

https://x.com/DirtFishRally/status/1787929078630125702

[GigiGalliNo1]

I also didn't renew my subscription, but for me it was because being in Aus,it means this nearly all Euro series
is always middle of the night ,my time .
Trying to catch-up the following day, is hopeless as some stages load, most don't.
Became a frustrating waste of my time and money

RedBull TV has the daily highlights and final review up pretty quick on their app. And free.

[Rd. Vortex]

What a joke of a service Rally.tv is: Besides the fact that video seeking has been broken from the start on Apple TV, the stages are all messed up in Italy. Stage 6 replay is completely missing and playing either stage 8 or stage 9 replay, will simply play replay of stage 8. Guess they really don't want new subscribers based on the way how poorly the service is managed.

[Eli]

What a joke of a service Rally.tv is: Besides the fact that video seeking has been broken from the start on Apple TV, the stages are all messed up in Italy. Stage 6 replay is completely missing and playing either stage 8 or stage 9 replay, will simply play replay of stage 8. Guess they really don't want new subscribers based on the way how poorly the service is managed.

No, and they persist on not showing the final podium celebrations on each event.

[Rallyper]

Why not show Rally2 cars on SD??

Should be mandatory...

[rallyfiend]

Why not show Rally2 cars on SD??

Should be mandatory...

I think the stage was stopped.....

[Morte66]

Does anyone know how long the monthly subscription lasts? Is it a calendar month, 28 days, or something else?

[TypeR]

Does anyone know how long the monthly subscription lasts? Is it a calendar month, 28 days, or something else?
30 days, renews automatically, if you don't end it before (can unsubscribe right after paying, still lasts 30 days).

[Morte66]

30 days, renews automatically, if you don't end it before (can unsubscribe right after paying, still lasts 30 days).

Thanks. I got a sub today to cover the ERC Rome/Czech tarmac rallies, and I got Latvia as a freebie.

[COD]

They allways talk about, contact us, ask questions etc. But they never tell how that happens. Who knows how it happens?

[SubaruNorway]

Volume is finally possible to adjust i noticed

[RS]

i just treated myself to a monthly pass so i can watch Barum live and i have already discovered,

- You cannot watch on a web browser anymore (you have to have the app)

- The app doesn’t work on Apple ipad

I’ve resorted to watching on my Android phone

[Morte66]

Don't know if this helps, but I am watching in a browser at https://www.rally.tv/tv-guide

[RS]

Don't know if this helps, but I am watching in a browser at https://www.rally.tv/tv-guide

On my ipad it just prompts me to download the app (which doesn’t work)

Maybe web browser works on a normal desktop computer?

[Morte66]

On my ipad it just prompts me to download the app (which doesn’t work)

Maybe web browser works on a normal desktop computer?

I'm using Chrome on a Windows PC.

The only thing I can think of... if your browser gives you a menu option like "load desktop site" try that. It may be that you default to the mobile version on a tablet, and that sends you to the app. I get that sort of thing on my Android phone sometimes, e.g. I can't use Microsoft Teams in a browser unless I do that.

[RS]

I'm using Chrome on a Windows PC.

The only thing I can think of... if your browser gives you a menu option like "load desktop site" try that. It may be that you default to the mobile version on a tablet, and that sends you to the app. I get that sort of thing on my Android phone sometimes, e.g. I can't use Microsoft Teams in a browser unless I do that.

That didn’t work either.. will bring my chromebook home from work tomorrow and try that or download app on that so i can at least watch on a big screen.

Thanks for tips though :)

[AE1WRC]

Guys what do you think about the commentators ? I want Porter back during all live. I really don't like this year's version. Becs and Paul king is the worst duo imo. All I am hearing is "he finished the stage for us" or "We're hearing (a driver) is stopped at blah blah Kms". Chen and PK is not much better either. We had the closest ever finish ever in Sardegna and they did not realise that Ogier lost the win while I was going ballistic saying "HE'S LOST IT !!" hahahah. I think PK is better at stage end interviews (Sharing with Molly) , they are really wasting Porter at road section IMO, I like him in the studio and Mike Chen is meh, not terrible but not perfect either but I like his energy.

Sometimes Ingrassia visits and I really like to hear him talking same with Ostberg, Seb Marshall or even Marcus sometimes.

[erikli2]

Guys what do you think about the commentators ? I want Porter back during all live. I really don't like this year's version. Becs and Paul king is the worst duo imo. All I am hearing is "he finished the stage for us" or "We're hearing (a driver) is stopped at blah blah Kms". Chen and PK is not much better either. We had the closest ever finish ever in Sardegna and they did not realise that Ogier lost the win while I was going ballistic saying "HE'S LOST IT !!" hahahah. I think PK is better at stage end interviews (Sharing with Molly) , they are really wasting Porter at road section IMO, I like him in the studio and Mike Chen is meh, not terrible but not perfect either but I like his energy.

Sometimes Ingrassia visits and I really like to hear him talking same with Ostberg, Seb Marshall or even Marcus sometimes.

Rally TV really needs a full time expert in the studio (ex driver/co-driver) together with one who knows how to do the talking. Also, someone like Colin Clark is needed for the stage end interviews (like he did when he was part of the rally radio). Some questions to the drivers are plain stupid.

[AE1WRC]

Rally TV really needs a full time expert in the studio (ex driver/co-driver) together with one who knows how to do the talking. Also, someone like Colin Clark is needed for the stage end interviews (like he did when he was part of the rally radio). Some questions to the drivers are plain stupid.

Oh yeah one girl from 2020 (forgot her name) was very annoying with her questions at stage ends.

[deephouse]

I liked it when some time ago they first asked how the stage went for them, they told the truth, and many drivers felt they did well. And then they were blown away when they told them, they were slow or vice versa. Their facial reactions were priceless. I enjoy watching that. I suppose someone didn't like that, maybe some drivers, key people, or manufacturers and they stopped doing that.

[J4MIE]

Guys what do you think about the commentators ? I want Porter back during all live. I really don't like this year's version. Becs and Paul king is the worst duo imo. All I am hearing is "he finished the stage for us" or "We're hearing (a driver) is stopped at blah blah Kms". Chen and PK is not much better either. We had the closest ever finish ever in Sardegna and they did not realise that Ogier lost the win while I was going ballistic saying "HE'S LOST IT !!" hahahah. I think PK is better at stage end interviews (Sharing with Molly) , they are really wasting Porter at road section IMO, I like him in the studio and Mike Chen is meh, not terrible but not perfect either but I like his energy.

Sometimes Ingrassia visits and I really like to hear him talking same with Ostberg, Seb Marshall or even Marcus sometimes.

Chen is actually terrible. Bring Porter back in, stupid decision to change that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All the commentators are so annoying with talking non-stop. 99% of the viewers know what's going on better than they do, plus you cant hear the car or the co-driver's pacenotes properly.

I tend to turn the sound off and imagine the noise of the cars in my head !

[AE1WRC]

All the commentators are so annoying with talking non-stop. 99% of the viewers know what's going on better than they do, plus you cant hear the car or the co-driver's pacenotes properly.

I tend to turn the sound off and imagine the noise of the cars in my head !

There was once an option to turn off the commentators voice but now that is gone hopefully they bring this back but I doubt it.

[Eli]

There was once an option to turn off the commentators voice but now that is gone hopefully they bring this back but I doubt it.

They did it back in Turkey 2020 I think but unfortunately since 2021 they took it off and for some reason took away Paul king from the daily highlights in that year (2020) and left Jon Desborough all by himself…up until now, who knows maybe with the next promoter things will look different.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There was once an option to turn off the commentators voice but now that is gone hopefully they bring this back but I doubt it.

I know they did... I emailed them several times asking for this option when WRC All Live first started. When they removed it I was so pissed off.

Unfortunately I now get the WRC+ feed for 'free' as part of my TV package (TNT Sport) so I wouldnt have the No Comms option even if they brought it back.

[traxx]

Where is the live map ? They removed it ?!

[Rallyper]

For me the absence of covering Ogier coming to finish on PS is absolutely big lack of journalism.
They would´ve shown him and the car shortly at least in a clip, while filming some champagne galopping... but they didn´t... :( :(

[meh]

Where is the live map ? They removed it ?!

Seems, that when the time coverage time-frame is over, the maps solution is disabled. It was quite annoying as I was following the Ogier situation and trying to understand what happened with Linnamäe.

Additionally, there was no coverage for the JWRC title. I can understand it did not fit the current timeframe; maybe it was even planned there, as the PS was delayed/paused for quite some time.

[wyler]

how wrc broadcast works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqkp1eijte0

100 people works for that!

[wwbroe]

how wrc broadcast works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqkp1eijte0

100 people works for that!

Interesting video about how things work behind live TV

[saco0o]

did redbull tv stopped having the 3 day highlights on their obscure site or its more a matter of needing vpn? couldnt find anything there

[AndersX]

How could we get to Mike Chen the message to STOP to use -"...,Becs" in the end of almost every sentence!?? It is so annoying. He is commenting for us, not to each other.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How could we get to Mike Chen the message to STOP to use -"...,Becs" in the end of almost every sentence!?? It is so annoying. He is commenting for us, not to each other.

Indeed. This is the trouble with having two commentators, they feel the need to keep up a conversation with each other.

I spent most of RMC with the sound off unless something dramatic happened & for the stage end interviews.