Wrc+

[dodge33cymru]

Next to the timebar, there is an icon of a screen with an arrow ^. If you click it, there is the cast button.It's not on the Android version IIRC

[MartijnS]

Ah ok, i'm talking about iPhone indeed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I wonder if the coverage on BT tv will be nearer to live than the internet pictures ? Last year a car's stage time was in up to 30s before the pictures of it finshing...

[AnttiL]

I wonder if the coverage on BT tv will be nearer to live than the internet pictures ? Last year a car's stage time was in up to 30s before the pictures of it finshing...

I bet it will lag even more behind

[AnttiL]

Ah ok, i'm talking about iPhone indeed.

It’s there, but does not work...

[MartijnS]

I've used it before.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I bet it will lag even more behind

Why ? Live TV is usually better then internet. For example a football game on TV is always more up to date than watching via an internet stream.

[Googol]

Why ? Live TV is usually better then internet. For example a football game on TV is always more up to date than watching via an internet stream.

Is bt tv really tv though? I don't really know but what I understood from Wikipedia is that it is provided via internet.

[SubaruNorway]

I wonder if the coverage on BT tv will be nearer to live than the internet pictures ? Last year a car's stage time was in up to 30s before the pictures of it finshing...

They do it for safety, it needs to have some delay if something bad happens.

[Essaj]

They do it for safety, it needs to have some delay if something bad happens.

No, the delay is only there when watching AllLive via app or browser. TV broadcast (Atleast in Finland) has less delay and service parks, teams etc have the as live as possible stream available for them.
If it were there for safety reasons we wouldn't have seen Hayden's Monte accident or Kalle's Argentina crash.

[the sniper]

Is bt tv really tv though? I don't really know but what I understood from Wikipedia is that it is provided via internet.

Available via Satellite (Sky) and Cable too in HD. On Virgin Media cable a good number of customers get BT Sport included in their package.

[Googol]

Available via Satellite (Sky) and Cable too in HD. On Virgin Media cable a good number of customers get BT Sport included in their package.

Yeah I saw. Do those include those Extra channels though?

I think terrestrial analogue tv had pretty much no delay. Digital seems to have a bit more, and cable seems to have more than terrestrial. Those are still obviously much shorter than internet streams. I have no experience on the tv services provided through internet. They may have a bit shorter than browser streams, but still probably a lot more than terrestrial or cable. And even in streams it varies a lot based on technology of the provider and quality (rubbish pirate streams sometimes seem to have shorter delay than official streams).

[Daniel_hoy]

Thanks.

I was hoping that would not be the only option, as I like to follow this forum while watching.

Oh well - I'm not even susprised..

I have asked for that for many years now. They replied that it was planned in the next update. But that newer happened.
If i cast from Chrome on computer and choose Cast - show videos in full screen on external monitor and press full screen button in the player.
Then the video will stop playing on the computer but continue on Chromecast. Don`t think it uses so much system resources that way.

It was possible to use Chromecast 2 years ago when using chrome on Android, but that possibility is removed. That was true Chromecast support

[GravelBen]

It was possible to use Chrome cast 2 years ago when using chrome on Android, but that possibility is removed.

WRC app doesn't even work on my android phone since they updated it in Nov, says the phone is rooted (which it isn't) and won't open at all.

[Daniel_hoy]

WRC app doesn't even work on my android phone since they updated it in Nov, says the phone is rooted (which it isn't) and won't open at all.

Have not used the app for a long time. Tried it now and got the same message. But i have a rooted device, so I could just hide it from the app. Working again now :)

[lnvs]

No, the delay is only there when watching AllLive via app or browser. TV broadcast (Atleast in Finland) has less delay and service parks, teams etc have the as live as possible stream available for them.
If it were there for safety reasons we wouldn't have seen Hayden's Monte accident or Kalle's Argentina crash.Kalle's accident was the reason they started to add extra delay for broadcast. Before that All Live was as live as it could be. Obviously streams are always behind TV due to technical reasons.

[GravelBen]

WRC app doesn't even work on my android phone since they updated it in Nov, says the phone is rooted (which it isn't) and won't open at all.


Have not used the app for a long time. Tried it now and got the same message. But i have a rooted device, so I could just hide it from the app. Working again now :)

So when your device is actually rooted you can still use the app, but if it for some reason thinks your device is rooted when it isn't, then you can't. :rotflmao:

[AnttiL]

Why ? Live TV is usually better then internet. For example a football game on TV is always more up to date than watching via an internet stream.

My assumption is just that the WRC+ stream is the default and sending it to television is a secondary outlet that will add to the latency, whereas on those football games television is the primary outlet. But I might be wrong. However, I also think there's a bit of director buffering latency for cutting off in emergency situations.

[Tarmop]

I´ve had opposite experience, live TV is aheas of all live.

[rallyfiend]

I´ve had opposite experience, live TV is aheas of all live.

The LIve TV stages are likely delivered via satellite to broadcasters, the All LIve likely via the internet to somewhere that then generates the encoded livestream.

This would create a delay.

[bomber21]

Have not used the app for a long time. Tried it now and got the same message. But i have a rooted device, so I could just hide it from the app. Working again now :)
Almost same thing happens in Samsung Smart TV. Live broadcast is never functioning.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What bothers me is if its like with football forums - people watching live on tv commenting about whats happening before those watching online have seen it.

[AnttiL]

What bothers me is if its like with football forums - people watching live on tv commenting about whats happening before those watching online have seen it.

Yeah, I usually keep ewrc-results open on another tab and have to hold back not to see the stage times in advance :D

My self-discipline is high anyways, if I cannot watch All Live directly live, I just close all social media and news sites, and re-watch the action later once I have time.

[AL14]

What bothers me is if its like with football forums - people watching live on tv commenting about whats happening before those watching online have seen it.

How much time is the difference between online and tv broadcasts usually?

[rallyfiend]

How much time is the difference between online and tv broadcasts usually?

On the BBC Iplayer and others, it can be quite a bit.

During the World CUp, I was getting notifications from my sports betting app about goals etc well before I saw it on the Iplayer / ITV stream on the screen in the office.

It was like being able to predict the future!

[AL14]

On the BBC Iplayer and others, it can be quite a bit.

During the World CUp, I was getting notifications from my sports betting app about goals etc well before I saw it on the Iplayer / ITV stream on the screen in the office.

It was like being able to predict the future!

That sucks. When I've time I follow live online and this forum at the same time. Anyways I'm sure TV subscribers will be polite and will wait a little bit before commenting in here.

[Essaj]

Kalle's accident was the reason they started to add extra delay for broadcast. Before that All Live was as live as it could be.

Can you prove this because i'm 99% sure that the delay is exactly the same how it was back in 2017 when All live started. I have been in couple of service parks since the accident and the live feed played there is without any delay when comparing with splits, radio etc.

[the sniper]

Kalle's accident was the reason they started to add extra delay for broadcast. Before that All Live was as live as it could be. Obviously streams are always behind TV due to technical reasons.

I doubt they learnt this lesson then, as they'd already experienced broadcasting Paddon's Monte 2017 crash on live television...

In all honesty I imagined a very small delay has been built in since the start. It's not unusual in broadcasting sports or situations where there is a known risk of something unpalatable being broadcast live.

[Japé]

Almost same thing happens in Samsung Smart TV. Live broadcast is never functioning.

Same here. I tried to offer all my help for WRC customer support and to even connect directly to company who is responsible for making the Apps for smart TVs but WRC customer support was hardly interested at all.

[lnvs]

Can you prove this because i'm 99% sure that the delay is exactly the same how it was back in 2017 when All live started. I have been in couple of service parks since the accident and the live feed played there is without any delay when comparing with splits, radio etc.Information is from Vauhdin Maailma magazine 8/2018. According to that delay is about minute after Kalle's crash. I've seen people here comment/complain how splits/stage times are much ahead of stream.

[KKS]

https://p1.wrc.com/#subscriptions_plans
6Euro for 6 month All live? Somebody try it? Cuz i have some issue with this site. Looks like unfinished.

[GravelBen]

https://p1.wrc.com/#subscriptions_plans
6Euro for 6 month All live? Somebody try it? Cuz i have some issue with this site. Looks like unfinished.

6 Euro / Month... but looks like now you have to sign up for 6 months anyway, last year you could just get a month on its own when you wanted it.

Its like they're trying to sabotage their own product.

Oh you can still get the normal WRC+ options here https://plus.wrc.com/en/ thats just whatever that p1 thing is

[Googol]

I'm not sure but that looks like you have to pay a year. For that you get 6 months of all live. So if you don't give value for anything else in that package, it 12 euros a month for all live.

[bomber21]

Same here. I tried to offer all my help for WRC customer support and to even connect directly to company who is responsible for making the Apps for smart TVs but WRC customer support was hardly interested at all.

It is a pity to pay for this service and finally watch All Live via tablets or laptops and not in our TVs.
Someone should work on making this app work again.


https://p1.wrc.com/#subscriptions_plans
6Euro for 6 month All live? Somebody try it? Cuz i have some issue with this site. Looks like unfinished.
P1 is a joke. I was trying for a week to register and I could not because their website is a mess.
I tried with three different browsers and I sent screenshots to their customer support department.
They replied that they cannot replicate the issue.
Today their website is still a mess, it is like a 15 year old kid made it.
I was trying to pay for a week but I finally gave up...

[AnttiL]

P1 felt like a scam from the start because they used "guerrilla" marketing with made-up rally fan twitter accounts sending directed tweets like "wanna talk with me about rallying, have you heard of this great P1 WRC" and posting adverts on forums, here as well.

[bomber21]

P1 felt like a scam from the start because they used "guerrilla" marketing with made-up rally fan twitter accounts sending directed tweets like "wanna talk with me about rallying, have you heard of this great P1 WRC" and posting adverts on forums, here as well.
WRC should select their partners more carefully.
This is a really improper and non-professional behavior.

[Andre Oliveira]

So i didn’t renew WRC+, and today can subscrive again with Promocode. If i renewed i lost some euros. Not a good politic. For me, not a serious behavior of WRC.

[rallyfiend]

So i didn’t renew WRC+, and today can subscrive again with Promocode. If i renewed i lost some euros. Not a good politic. For me, not a serious behavior of WRC.

Oh, c'mon. This is standard across all retail online platforms. If you don't / can't be bothered to look for a promo code, then you pay full price.

No different to buying a pair of jeans, or a TV.

Promo codes are such a standard part of on-line purchasing there are even dedicated platforms to help you find them.

[Andre Oliveira]

You don’t understand my point. Automatically renew costs 89.99€, if you don’t do it... you use the promocode. Basically the same but not serious deal to who have a automatically renew.

[swanny]

They have always done the same crap with wrc+. Screw existing subscribers with auto-renew at a higher price.

[tommeke_B]

You don’t understand my point. Automatically renew costs 89.99€, if you don’t do it... you use the promocode. Basically the same but not serious deal to who have a automatically renew.

I too unsubscribed at the end of last year, and subscribed again now for 72 euros. I was a paying user since the very beginning (after Finland 2014), and could never profit of any promos. So from now on I'll unsubscribe and re-subscribe every year.

[cali]

I too unsubscribed at the end of last year, and subscribed again now for 72 euros. I was a paying user since the very beginning (after Finland 2014), and could never profit of any promos. So from now on I'll unsubscribe and re-subscribe every year.

Same here, spitting in the face of current and loyal customers.

[Rallyper]

However I think they should inform that old users can´t have the promotioncode (Swedish way of laws...). Then it´s up to you alone to unsubcribe or (which I didn´t know happened) automatically renew.

I sent them an email...

[Morte66]

Does anybody know whether WRC+ still requires Adobe Flash installed to view?

[Entertainer]

Why not just create a new account with a different email? Then you can use the promocode?

[Googol]

Why not just create a new account with a different email? Then you can use the promocode?

Yeah, of course it's smart to buy when something is cheap, regardless of whether you already have it or not.

[KKS]

as I understood that P1 give 6 month even for subscribing for 1 month to their service. But seems that shity site can't even allow do that.

Soooooo... any month promocodes? :D

[Essaj]

as I understood that P1 give 6 month even for subscribing for 1 month to their service. But seems that shity site can't even allow do that.

Soooooo... any month promocodes? :D

Just pay the price. it ain't that bad.
And if you really want you can just do the month now and watch both Monte and Sweden. re subscribe before Mexico and you can watch Corsica aswell.

WRC All live ain't too expensive and you can easily play around the prices if you can't for example follow the races in south america.

Seriously are you even a rally fan if you can't afford the roughly 5-6 euros per event? You get so much value for your money.
One rally is somewhere between 20-30 hours of content(+on boards). How is that not worth of 6 euros?

[KKS]

near all last year I'll do that 9Euro for 2 events. I simply have no choice. I've have tasted it and can't follow now rallys in old style manner = radio+splits. But if it any chance to get cheaper or for free, why not use it?

[Essaj]

... Just do the best option for you. If you find one free, use it.
But even if you have to pay the full price it ain't that bad.

[Googol]

Like said, it's annual, even if you pay monthly. Of course, I don't know what they would do if you stopped paying after first month.

[Crazy J]

It is just weird that there is no award for being loyal customer from year after year. And haven't seen many sports broadcast services where pricing is structured so that it is cheaper to use monthly sub instead of yearly one.

[bomber21]

It is just weird that there is no award for being loyal customer from year after year. And haven't seen many sports broadcast services where pricing is structured so that it is cheaper to use monthly sub instead of yearly one.
If you pay monthly is 9x12=108 euros but if you pay yearly it is 90- 20 % (promocode) = 71 euros.


Like said, it's annual, even if you pay monthly. Of course, I don't know what they would do if you stopped paying after first month.

This option is only for P1, not for WRC+ or All Live.

[Crazy J]

If you pay monthly is 9x12=108 euros but if you pay yearly it is 90- 20 % (promocode) = 71 euros.

To my understading you can time your monthly subs so that those will start e.g. on a same day when some event starts, so often you can have two rallies with 1 month sub. For some months no rallies at all = no sub needed, unless WRC+ starts to offer some valuable content for those weeks as well.

[Googol]

This option is only for P1, not for WRC+ or All Live.
I obviously know that. I replied to the thought that you would get 6 months of all live free if you pay one month for p1.

[dbrito26]

Well, i can't use the app because my phone is rooted...

Enviado do meu Moto E (4) através do Tapatalk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Official WRC says watch out for a Shakedown live stream on Facebook.

I mean why not just put it on WRC+ ???

[T16]

Official WRC says watch out for a Shakedown live stream on Facebook.

I mean why not just put it on WRC+ ???

So they can broadcast it to a potentially new audience and then advertise WRC+ whilst it’s on, in the hope of attracting new subscribers.

[lnvs]

Don't think it would hurt to put it on WRC+ and not force "loyal customers" to watch it from crappy facebook.

[KKS]

They do that in late 2018 aswell. Pre-build rally show on facebook. It quite useful, it tell 'we are here and this a rally week. c'mon come with us and subscribe wrc+'

[HarriK]

Why NOT broadcast it on Fb and WRC+?!!

[er88]

Why NOT broadcast it on Fb and WRC+?!!It's ridiculous. Put it live on Facebook and YouTube for everyone who doesn't have AllLive, but put it on AllLive/WRC+ for us that have paid for it too.

At least if it's on YouTube it's much easier for everyone to watch. Facebook can be more difficult for those who don't have it, are at work, can only watch on their phone etc etc.

[T16]

Why NOT broadcast it on Fb and WRC+?!!

No idea, but there will be a reason for it. It may just be to suit them, so they can reach a new audience, it may be contractual and therefore possibly cheaper for them to use the FB platform, than through the WRC website, or possibly even because it’s a very last minute decision to actually broadcast it and therefore it won’t get the same level of production that a live stage etc. would.

[Japé]

One reason could be that they are just purely trying to test the socialmedia side of WRC broadcasting, how active commenting there will be on FB chatbox, how many likes, sharing, etc. It is probably part of WRC's KPI reporting for WRC sponsors.

[lnvs]

After all it's also in WRC+. Buffering a lot. :rolleyes:

*Buffering stopped after Ogier.

[Essaj]

Yeah proper delay on WRC+ compared to facebook stream...

[tc10a]

"Proper delay"... its maybe one second.

And having much better consistent best quality on wr+ call live compared to facebook

[Japé]

FB stream quality is unfortunately so crap that it is sometimes more like a listening radio. It is shame that they can't have better technology in 2019.

[lnvs]

I can't see any difference between FB and WRC+. Same old low bitrate 720p in best quality.

WRC+ is 20sec behind FB.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Only one run of SD on All Live... is it still on FB ?

[lnvs]

FB and All Live was same. Now map rotates and next stream is ceremonial start 18:30 (local).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT Sport coverage not started on time... :(

This on the App...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxqu2n9WoAUZtTE.jpg

Same on the website... bad start by BT.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not impressed with the new graphics either - very distracting.

https://i.imgur.com/B75c3Yl.jpg

[KKS]

That RPM bar was by 1000's already from last season showing only 3000, 4000, 5000 RPM's and it's useless. Now they made him bigger to show their useless more.... "dogs"©

[Morte66]

If you have an "All Live" subscription, and you don't see the stages on Friday because you're at work, can you watch replays later? Or do you have to be watch the live stream as it happens?

[racerx1979]

You can watch it anytime

[Essaj]

If you have an "All Live" subscription, and you don't see the stages on Friday because you're at work, can you watch replays later? Or do you have to be watch the live stream as it happens?

You can re watch them from the timeline and they will be available until Rally Sweden week.

[AnttiL]

If you have an "All Live" subscription, and you don't see the stages on Friday because you're at work, can you watch replays later? Or do you have to be watch the live stream as it happens?

Like I posted earlier, I often "re-watch" the All Live stages if I cannot watch them in real time. Just close the news sites and social media and have some self-discipline and you can have the same excitement :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disappointing start to the season this morning re All Live.

I couldnt watch the FB stream on my phone, then heard it was on WRC+ despite not being on the EPG previously. So I missed most of the one SD run that they did show. And nothing on BT Sport although SD was listed.

[er88]

Tonight will be interesting. It was absolute chaos last season starting at night with onboards freezing or not playing, no helicopter, missing all the drama on the ice, Molly sat at the start of stage rambling about how she can't tell what tyres the drivers are on, etc etc...

Hopefully things run a bit smoother tonight.

[AnttiL]

Tonight will be interesting. It was absolute chaos last season starting at night with onboards freezing or not playing, no helicopter, missing all the drama on the ice, Molly sat at the start of stage rambling about how she can't tell what tyres the drivers are on, etc etc...

Hopefully things run a bit smoother tonight.

It was their first All Live rally, having done only one test run in Portugal 8 months earlier. They are now one full season wiser. And Monte Carlo isn't the easiest terrain to work with planes, helicopters and wireless connections.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT Sport is finally working on their App and on TV via the red button.

[Googol]

Yle Areena seems about 10s more live than WRC+.

EDIT: Start was 30s late in Areena, 42s in WRC+. If there is a safety margin, I can't see it being more than 10s.

[DoN_cz]

i keep getting "Heartbeat Error - #501" every 2 minutes or so... any idea what's causing this?

[JTGANG]

i keep getting "Heartbeat Error - #501" every 2 minutes or so... any idea what's causing this?

Same here unfortunately

[Essaj]

Happened to me also with Chrome but I changed to Firefox and it seems to be working fine now

[DoN_cz]

Tried Firefox, Chrome, IE and even tablet, happends everywhere.

[bomber21]

It does not work either in iPhone app...

[DoN_cz]

got reply from wrc+:

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

We have already recognized the problem and at the moment we are working hard to solve it as soon as possible.
This problem seems to appear most of the time by streaming on two different devices at the same time.

We apologize for any inconvenience and would like to ask you to retry later. Thank you!

[SubaruNorway]

Hopefully there's an issue with the buffering also because you can't really skip back much anymore

[Sulland]

From 50 to 90€ is a quick 80% price increase.

What new services have they added to justify that?

[SubaruNorway]

From 50 to 90€ is a quick 80% price increase.

What new services have they added to justify that?

You're looking at two different things All Live was never 50€

[Slazwierder]

Tried Firefox, Chrome, IE and even tablet, happends everywhere.
The live stream on the app is working perfectly here. On my pc the stream works but without sound....?!

[stefanvv]

All live disappeared completely.

[AL14]

I can't login no more. What about you?

[USER47]

Same here.

[WRC1]

same here.....shit

[leighton323]

Also not working...

[tomhlord]

Uh-oh, it's not accessible for me right now, big shame!

[bassist]

Nothing- saying unknown error! Contact support

[satnav]

same here as well

[deephouse]

shithole...

[LeeHendrie]

Total collapse

[bassist]

Bollux.

[deephouse]

''We are currently experiencing technical issues with WRC+ All Live. We are working to solve them and hope to restore normal service as quickly as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience.''

Twitter

[AndyRAC]

BT Sport Extra 1Live is fine.....

[AnttiL]

Still not logging in

[WRC1]

fuck wrc+ even 20% discount is to much for a black screen

[ToughMac]

Same problems here, you'd have thought it would be a bit more streamlined now especially after a full season.

[bomber21]

Still logged out. It has collapsed...
Great start...

[deephouse]

calm down everyone. Just don't look at the social media right now and official wrc site for results even here you don't have to read posts. Then after it will be fixed you could rewatch.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT Sport Extra 1Live is fine.....

And tv nearer to actual live than the WRC+ online. :)

[Myrvold]

calm down everyone.

Agreed that all should stay calm. However, they take money for a product - they should give a product.

[USER47]

It just started working for me.

[er88]

I couldn't even watch as it froze after a minute of playing with no sound. That was before the actual crash....

Btsport extra worked fine all the way through..., terrible from AllLive

[Co-driven]

Does anyone has been anle to connect with 2 devices at the same time?

The FAQ says that it is possible, but when I try (when the service was working), after about 2 minutes one of the devices would logout...

[Got Mail]

And tv nearer to actual live than the WRC+ online. :)

Almost exactly 30 secs behind live.

[tc10a]

Does anyone has been anle to connect with 2 devices at the same time?
The FAQ says that it is possible, but when I try (when the service was working), after about 2 minutes one of the devices would logout...

I'm permanently logged in with two devices without problems. In the same wifi (same IP) even sometimes with more devices and never had any problem.

[Japé]

Order WRC+ All live and miss all the action ;)
-Could not login during SS1 & SS2 as happened to all others, we should get money back
-Later when watching stages during the last night I noticed that they missed crashes from Suninen and Rovanperä, puncture from Meeke, etc. Luckily we have fan videos in youtube.
-Image quality hasn't improved at all
-New RPM and other graphics are annoyingly big. These should be optional or only small markings for pedals, handbrake, speed
-Instead of showing interesting bits, like Neuville driving icy sections in SS1, they select to show Ogier with studs on dry sections, and because on the sponsorships they show too much start and end of the stage instead of incar footage

[cali]

Worked well yesterday on my WebOS app. Can't really complain much other than the picture quality

[able1]

Order WRC+ All live and miss all the action ;)
-Could not login during SS1 & SS2 as happened to all others, we should get money back
-Later when watching stages during the last night I noticed that they missed crashes from Suninen and Rovanperä, puncture from Meeke, etc. Luckily we have fan videos in youtube.
-Image quality hasn't improved at all
-New RPM and other graphics are annoyingly big. These should be optional or only small markings for pedals, handbrake, speed
-Instead of showing interesting bits, like Neuville driving icy sections in SS1, they select to show Ogier with studs on dry sections, and because on the sponsorships they show too much start and end of the stage instead of incar footage

i agree with most you said and will add that its pointless to show us inside car cam of drivers when its dark outside.

[Doon]

Have WRC+ removed Chromecast connectivity for the iPhone app? They removed Android last year.

[GravelBen]

What is this 'heartbeat error' nonsense? WRC+ is becoming a bad joke

[Essaj]

This fking heartbeat error crap is still there.

[er88]

I dont know whats wrong with it. Keeps playing for 30secs with no sound, and then freezes. Rinse and repeat. Just doesn't work anymore but it ran fine last year for me.

Thankfully I have BT sport too, but it's unacceptable how many other people are paying for a service that isn't working.

[Doon]

I had loads of problems connecting last year using chromecast, but it was never this bad. The app isn’t even working now, I keep getting a message about “requested URL not on this server”.

[Slazwierder]

Everything working fine here at the moment....

[AnttiL]

I had loads of problems connecting last year using chromecast, but it was never this bad. The app isn’t even working now, I keep getting a message about “requested URL not on this server”.

Same here on my iOS app.

[GravelBen]

Is WRC+ lower resolution than last year? It certainly looks it, I'm pretty sure I was getting it at 1080p last year and now its very compressed 720p at best.

[tpt010]

Anyone else having problems with sound? All Live is working otherwise OK, but no sound.

[stefanvv]

If I watch live maps on another PC, All live crashes with 501 heartbeat error. But when I logout from the other PC, I can still watch the live maps and All live. Thanks for that RBMH.

[AnttiL]

All Live crashed.

[Japé]

Heartbeat Error - #501

[ToughMac]

Seriously WRC+, WTF!!

[GravelBen]

And now the black screen of nothing. wrc-minus would be a better name.

[AnttiL]

wrc-minus would be a better name.

All Dead

[Miika]

F#cking pathetic excuse for a service #501.

[Japé]

An unknown error has occurred.
Please try again later or contact our support via E-mail under support@service-plus.wrc.com

[stefanvv]

Shit

[Eli]

An unknown error has occurred.
Please try again later or contact our support via E-mail under support@service-plus.wrc.com

Come on, they aren't serious, 2nd time now the streaming isn't working....

[GravelBen]

The WRC-minus deadstream.

[bassist]

Bollux part 2

[stefanvv]

Today wrc.com and wrc+ are dead. FFS, seriously?!?

[KKS]

morons !!!

[AnttiL]

The only positive about this is that rallying is very popular.

[Ifox95]

Is there any contact phone number for this crowd??, its totally amatuer from them

[Ifox95]

https://www.wrc.com/en/footer/information/imprint/page/30----.html

There is a phone number here but no one answers except an automatic german reply, any Germans on this to figure out what the answers are??

[er88]

Atm they're stealing money tbh. Hope they sort themselves out and get back to what it was like towards the end of last season - whatever they've changed has fucked it up for so many people

[GravelBen]

Its just an embarrassment to the sport.

[N.O.T]

I laugh at your expense !!!

tools....

[Rally Power]

"Unknown error" my @ss! Most likely they didn’t prepare the service for a bigger demand. Those who didn’t get the new season discount must have a partial refund after MC.

[T16]

[QUOTE=N.O.T;1206033]I laugh at your expense !!!

Don’t worry, we often laugh at yours.

[AnttiL]

Still down?

[NickRally]

Just dispute the money through whatever credit card (or paypal) organisation you paid from, I know I am planning to do it and if you want to send serious message to them, that is the only way. Spilling out your frustration here is useless.

[danon]

https://i.postimg.cc/Sxvy7L9F/Ca.jpg

[Essaj]

Kinda working now but they decided to end the feed after Meeke. Yeah who doesn't prefer the good old rotating GPS map over WRC/2pro drivers...

[able1]

This is extra feature of WRC+ alllive . All the drama both sides of screen , its like force feedback of sorts

[HarriK]

Re-live cannot be rewinded and sound is not sync with video?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sorry to hear all the issues.

The BT Sport stream on their TV red button has been faultless (if only in Standard Def).

Im going to try their website as that stream is in HD and see how that goes.

[ToughMac]

Gone again, very amateur effort, just hope the rest of the season isn't like this.

[AL14]

If you are not able to deliver a proper service just don't deliver it. Stick it to normal wrc+ and go all live when you have an proper infrastructure to do that.

[denkimi]

It was the same in 2017, people said they wouldn't pay unless it got better.
It was the same in 2018, people said they wouldn't pay unless it got better.

You are all saying the same thing once more, but you'll all just pay for it again next year. And it will still be the same crap, and the same complaints.

[Miika]

Oh wow, unknown error strikes again once the stage got going.

[stefanvv]

it's working for me on the PC

[bomber21]

All live is not working on iOS devices since yesterday.
“The requested URL cannot be found in that server”

[Rally Power]

It was the same in 2017, people said they wouldn't pay unless it got better.
It was the same in 2018, people said they wouldn't pay unless it got better.

You are all saying the same thing once more, but you'll all just pay for it again next year. And it will still be the same crap, and the same complaints.

Didn't see all events last year, but from those I've seen I can't remember having the service collapsing this way; only small cuts here and then, which didn't affect a quite enjoying All Live experience. Hard to feel the same about MC broadcast so far.

[tc10a]

Like yesterday (and every event 2018) completely troublefree day using the fire stick app - all stages - all live
Impressive footage as always.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No issues on the BT Sport website watching the last 90 mins of todays AL coverage and picture looks like 720p quality.

Glad I have this option with all the WRC web problems.

[satnav]

I was at work today so just had it on and off on the BT Sport app and it worked with no problems , it was a different story at home though as my son was trying to keep in touch it kept crashing on the pc but as tc10a states above the firestick app worked with no dramas , the main problem I see is that there does not seem to be any response from WRC.Com for which is after all a paid service , there was never these sort of problems on this scale before.

[tc10a]

Re-live cannot be rewinded and sound is not sync with video?

Why should you not be able to rewind re-live? just jump to any place in the footage using the progress bar at the bottom like in youtube and co.

[HarriK]

Why should you not be able to rewind re-live? just jump to any place in the footage using the progress bar at the bottom like in youtube and co.
No progress bar in my Phone app... Last year there was

[Neil Shanks]

All live is not working on iOS devices since yesterday.
“The requested URL cannot be found in that server”

I had some issues and contacted support (before everything went to crap for everyone and they stopped replying) and they said a fix was to select the program using the all live from bottom of page, then select feed using the EPG programme, which worked

[SubaruNorway]

Why should you not be able to rewind re-live? just jump to any place in the footage using the progress bar at the bottom like in youtube and co.

For me it just refreshes every 10 sec and the 10 sec buttons don't work, last year you could jump back 30min?

[Neil Shanks]

Very poor that after problems today there has been no explanation or statement from WRC, when they did acknowledge earlier problems.

Their social media feeds ignores the fact the a large portion of their customers couldn’t use the service

Frustratingly poor customer service

[meh]

If you are able to log in and start video once, you can switch to direct stream and not be affected with WRC+ issues which may come later.

I wrote instructions how to do that: https://security.elarlang.eu/detect-wrc-alllive-video-stream-address.html
Tweet: https://twitter.com/elarlang/status/1088926671091257346

[Essaj]

Even now I'm not able to watch the past broadcast from all live "Please subscribe to access this content" - Please, what have I done this past year. :imubash:
Tried both Android App and browser...

[the sniper]

I'm highly sympathetic to the difficulties of actually putting together the broadcast of the rally and can forgive issues we encounter as viewers around that, with the helicopter, plane, onboards and such like, even timing graphics, as they're working under challenging and fairly unique circumstances. I can't though so easily forgive the issues we've seen with the App/Web service and streaming side of the operation. I'm no great fan of streaming services in general, but most are pretty reliable nowadays. There isn't really any excuse for all the problems we've had this weekend. Yes, the WRC may be increasingly popular, putting demand on their servers, but they're not broadcasting the World Cup final for gods sake... I can't believe the demand can't be handled without drama. Surely the expertise and equipment required to successfully stream this content is readily available in this day and age at a not unreasonable cost to the provider? Please WRC Promoter, don't waste our goodwill on this...

[RS]

No issues on the BT Sport website watching the last 90 mins of todays AL coverage

Website or app Eddie? I couldn’t find the ‘BTSport Extra’ content on the website, only the app.

[er88]

Website or app Eddie? I couldn’t find the ‘BTSport Extra’ content on the website, only the app.It's on the website too- I don't have the app on my laptop but managed to find the link eventually on the bt sport website homepage. You go to the homepage, then scroll down to news, and there should be an article titled something like "how to watch rally Monte Carlo on BT sport".

Click on that and then a paragraph or so down it gives you a link to watch the stream on the app or the website. Took me ages as I couldn't find bt sport extra by just using the website but it is there.

http://sport.bt.com

[Japé]

For me it just refreshes every 10 sec and the 10 sec buttons don't work, last year you could jump back 30min?

Yes, it seems that one of the most important features has disappeared or blocked. You are forced to either watch live or when certain section from stream is fully completed you can only after that to use it with a functional progress bar. What a joke.

The most unrespecting thing is that in social media or at wrc+ studio they don't comment anything about the issues that has continued for two days for only audience they are making the show!

[HarriK]

If you are able to log in and start video once, you can switch to direct stream and not be affected with WRC+ issues which may come later.

I wrote instructions how to do that: https://security.elarlang.eu/detect-wrc-alllive-video-stream-address.html
Tweet: https://twitter.com/elarlang/status/1088926671091257346
Done this now. Thanks!

[KiwiWRCfan]

from OfficialWRC twitter account
There seems to be a broken link in the navigation, tech support is working on it.
Please try to klick the Live Stream on the EPG (program guide) on the App Home screen.
(Mobile browser is also an option). THX ✅

[RS]

It's on the website too- I don't have the app on my laptop but managed to find the link eventually on the bt sport website homepage. You go to the homepage, then scroll down to news, and there should be an article titled something like "how to watch rally Monte Carlo on BT sport".

Click on that and then a paragraph or so down it gives you a link to watch the stream on the app or the website. Took me ages as I couldn't find bt sport extra by just using the website but it is there.

http://sport.bt.com

Thanks, i’ll try that later.

Yes, it could be clearer!

[Rally Power]

It’s great to have the service working normally again. Just hope they can now fix the refresh buttons and get rid of that ridiculous RPM bar…

Btw, Molly is doing a really nice work in the media zone; she may not ask the sharpest questions but the way she figths through the crowd is always funny and drivers seem pleased talking to her; actually, Elena was pretty eager to do it!

[KKS]

It’s great to have the service working normally again. Just hope they can now fix the refresh buttons and get rid of that ridiculous RPM bar…


At least they now fix normal rpm bar, and he not counting to 1000

http://i.piccy.info/i9/d3bce648fa78c2234f7fb32fde708f52/1548503583/18659/1295968/rpm.jpg

[tommeke_B]

On WRC+ the music between the emissions of the live stages resembles what can be heard on a funeral, weird.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Website or app Eddie? I couldn’t find the ‘BTSport Extra’ content on the website, only the app.

Website & App have both been working well. I have bookmarked the link to Sport 1 Extra on the website:
https://sport.bt.com/ss/Satellite/btsportplayer/bt-sport-extra-1-01363992468064?site=btsport&s_intcid=con_BTScomHP

[Fast Eddie WRC]

⚠️ IMPORTANT NEWS! ⚠️ @OfficialWRC have just updated their iOS app which includes a "performance update". Given the issues over the weekend, suggest you download it tonight ahead of tomorrow's exciting climax of Rallye Monte-Carlo 2019! 🇲🇨 #WRCLive | #WRC https://t.co/Mkcpn8irtB

[HarriK]

Still no progress bar with stages relive. I have Android Oreo.

[danon]

On WRC+ the music between the emissions of the live stages resembles what can be heard on a funeral, weird.

Same feeling... +1

[NickRally]

Great to see the coverage working again and be able to follow the rally again. Nevertheless, I said I was going to dispute my last payment covering the current month and I did. I will see how it goes and report. Above anything else, I am interested in their reaction and see how much, if at all, they care.

[bomber21]

⚠️ IMPORTANT NEWS! ⚠️ @OfficialWRC have just updated their iOS app which includes a "performance update". Given the issues over the weekend, suggest you download it tonight ahead of tomorrow's exciting climax of Rallye Monte-Carlo 2019! 🇲🇨 #WRCLive | #WRC https://t.co/Mkcpn8irtB

At last...!

[dodge33cymru]

Did I hear correctly that they're actually showing WRC2 in full?! Kudos if so (although squeeze Sarrazin in)

[Morte66]

I just watched Meeke's onboards. The quality is terrible. The camera is so far back in the car, and pointed down, so you can only see about 30m ahead on a flat road. Or 10m if he's going uphill.

Also, because the camera is pointed at the dash/console and auto-exposing to make it medium grey, the world outside the car is often far too bright. On the power stage the whole windshield regularly turns pure white, and it's not pointed at snow.

After these years, you'd think they could mount a small camera in a car correctly. I'm just an amateur photographer and I can see everything wrong in seconds, they're supposed to be a professional video crew.

[Googol]

I think it's rather limited where they can place the camera. They can't build additional structure there for the camera. Also the top of the windscreen is covered with ads, so if the camera is high in the car, there is help pointing it higher, except maybe for better lighting adjustment.

[SubaruNorway]

It was fine at the end of last year, now most cars where changed again.
Especially in the Fiesta where you could see the steeringwheel it was good last year, now it was too far back

[Morte66]

I think it's rather limited where they can place the camera. They can't build additional structure there for the camera. Also the top of the windscreen is covered with ads, so if the camera is high in the car, there is help pointing it higher, except maybe for better lighting adjustment.

I'm sure you're right about it being difficult. But Tanak didn't have the same problem, so it is possible to do it.

Unless this is happening because Seb Marshall is tall, I can't see a reason for it.

[Farbar1]

Great to see the coverage working again and be able to follow the rally again. Nevertheless, I said I was going to dispute my last payment covering the current month and I did. I will see how it goes and report. Above anything else, I am interested in their reaction and see how much, if at all, they care.

I am in Australia and for most of the Monte rally, I could get nothing on WRC+. I managed to get some coverage on the last night but only on a tablet. The app on my Samsung TV didn't work at all for the entire rally.

I kept sending support emails and just got the usual standard response back. Unfortunately this now seems to be the norm when the events are on.

I think my 12 month subscription ends in a month or so and I will not be renewing. I will watch it (not live unfortunately) on Red Bull TV. I've had enough and I think the promoter is letting the sport down badly.

[RS]

I just watched Meeke's onboards. The quality is terrible. The camera is so far back in the car, and pointed down, so you can only see about 30m ahead on a flat road. Or 10m if he's going uphill.

Also, because the camera is pointed at the dash/console and auto-exposing to make it medium grey, the world outside the car is often far too bright. On the power stage the whole windshield regularly turns pure white, and it's not pointed at snow.

After these years, you'd think they could mount a small camera in a car correctly. I'm just an amateur photographer and I can see everything wrong in seconds, they're supposed to be a professional video crew.

This is one of my pet hates!

If they can’t get a decent view of the road then put the camera on the dashboard or front bumper.

Camera positions in Rovanpera’s Fabia were good.

[AnttiL]

Just last year ~everyone wished to get more onboard camera view from behind the drivers. :D But I agree that was a bad one, you couldn't see enough of the road. Maybe that angle doesn't work for Toyota.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still frustated by the commentary talking continously.

Also WRC+ now appears to have the audio from the car/co-driver they are showing, even when its from the helicopter. So the whole time the comms are talking over this and so neither comms nor the onboard audio is clear.

We NEED a pure sound option !

[Daniel_hoy]

And why do they have the sound from the helicopter?

[SubaruNorway]

Meeke's camera was knocked out of position on the third stage on Sunday, it was fine before that, just a tad high.

[Morte66]

Meeke's camera was knocked out of position on the third stage on Sunday, it was fine before that, just a tad high.

It got worse on Sunday, but personally I thought it was bad all through the rally. It annoyed me all the way through, I couldn't see ahead to see what road was coming.

[racerx1979]

You think they would offer a discount or a credit of some sort in the future, but nope!

[Christos Kolperiadis]

The best onboard camera was from Rovanpera' s car.

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[T16]

You think they would offer a discount or a credit of some sort in the future, but nope!

Have you asked them? Any Idea if anyone else has? I keep meaning to get round to it, but haven't yet...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I email them regularly with comments and feedback.

If people just moan on here it wont make any difference.

[Franky]

I email them regularly with comments and feedback.

If people just moan on here it wont make any difference.

Has anything you've mentioned them been changed or improved?

[T16]

Has anything you've mentioned them been changed or improved?

If I started the ball rolling with an email, requesting a credit for one month free, given the dire performance during Monte Carlo, would anyone else be prepared to copy it and send it themselves? (or course, after it was edited to suit everyone)... power by numbers and all that..

Quite happy to draft something if anyone else fancies using it?

[racerx1979]

PM me please. Thank you!

[NickRally]

If I started the ball rolling with an email, requesting a credit for one month free, given the dire performance during Monte Carlo, would anyone else be prepared to copy it and send it themselves? (or course, after it was edited to suit everyone)... power by numbers and all that..

Quite happy to draft something if anyone else fancies using it?

Well, I went a step further and disputed my January payment through the standard Paypal procedure - the WRC Promoter are yet to respond to my complaint, but to be fair I suspect they won’t and will just leave Paypal to reinburse me, presumably by dipping into their pot. If this is to happen, it will speak pretty negative about the WRC Promoter.

[NickRally]

As expected, (the) WRC Promoter did not honour with reply my Paypal dispute, and I escalated the dispute to Paypal's attention. I definitely don't think (the) WRC Promoter cares. Pity. Actually, I am not sure they exist.

[jparker]

Though WRC+ All Live has opened up the WRC to a larger fan base putting it behind a pay wall has rather dented its impact. I understand the necessity of profit but when you’re a comparatively niche series trying to build a fan base the last thing a new/undecided audience want to do is pay.
https://www.motorsport.com/general/news/fan-opinion-wrc-saved-netflix/4331674/amp/

[Googol]

Really weird article. First it's complained that watching rally is not free. Then it's suggested that it should be on Netflix, which is not free either. Also, would Netflix even be interested in showing it? As far as I know, it's not a live streaming site.

[Kradovech]

Yeah, it seems like a really long way of saying "I am already paying for one streaming service, so everything should be on that particular streaming service"

I have no problem with paying for a service that clearly has significant production costs. Saying it should be free just seems childish. Just get the damn thing working!

[rallye-vid]

Dazn does "all live" streaming in Germany (and some more) since Monaco.. But not all ss, just some of them.

[AndyRAC]

Though WRC+ All Live has opened up the WRC to a larger fan base putting it behind a pay wall has rather dented its impact. I understand the necessity of profit but when you’re a comparatively niche series trying to build a fan base the last thing a new/undecided audience want to do is pay.
https://www.motorsport.com/general/news/fan-opinion-wrc-saved-netflix/4331674/amp/

Agree with this. All Live+ should be a premium product/ service. The there should be a better FTA product for those who can't/won't/not interested enough to pay. It's not hard. At the moment, RedBullTV provide 1 free live stage on a Saturday - that's not good enough. Lots of competing series have free live streaming for the whole event/ season. Why not 1 or 2 free live stages per day; like the old IRC coverage?

[rallyfiend]

Agree with this. All Live+ should be a premium product/ service. The there should be a better FTA product for those who can't/won't/not interested enough to pay. It's not hard. At the moment, RedBullTV provide 1 free live stage on a Saturday - that's not good enough. Lots of competing series have free live streaming for the whole event/ season. Why not 1 or 2 free live stages per day; like the old IRC coverage?

You can't sell something to a broadcaster while also giving it away for free online...

Many of the series you say probably can't find a broadcaster for it (World RX, WEC etc).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In the Uk there is no free-to-air broadcaster for WRC in 2019...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Has anything you've mentioned them been changed or improved?

Not that I know of, but S.American fans have complained in nunbers and got commentary in Spanish from 2019.

Everyone needs to give feedback to get them to make changes the fans want.

[er88]

They don't listen - same stock response to emails if you even get a reply.

Their coverage of the power stage was an absolute joke in Monte.

Pre recorded pointless interviews from the top drivers before they show them blasting off into the stage, then cutting to the last 30seconds of another crews run to the finish and then spend 2-3minutes watching a car trickle down to the stop line, driver taking his helmet off, followed by an interview where Molly probably asks stupid questions.

Then rinse and repeat, back to the start of the stage where they cut to another pointless pre recorded interview.

All that can easily be put in a small screen while we follow a full screen of the action on-going - like focusing on Neuville and Ogier for most of the full stage while there's 0.4s separating them.

Heads need to roll if they can't sort that out. I even had a mate watching it with me who enjoys motorsport but isn't a fanatic or big on the WRC, and even he made a comment like "they don't show much of the action, its just interviews". Reddit has been full of complaints and many people on here have criticised them for stuff like this before, they should be aware of complaints & suggested improvements made by comments from fans on social media/ online forums etc. Most companies do.

[AnttiL]

The starting intervals were even increased on the power stage to allow more material to be shown. I agree that the pre-recorded interviews and standing starts are really pointless. But it just seems they're trying to market it to the non-hardcore-fan audience, average sporting tv viewers.

[Franky]

You should market to your target audience, not to secondary audience. After all, it's only the fans who tune in to the broadcasts as loyal viewers.

[Rallyper]

They don't listen - same stock response to emails if you even get a reply.

Their coverage of the power stage was an absolute joke in Monte.

Pre recorded pointless interviews from the top drivers before they show them blasting off into the stage, then cutting to the last 30seconds of another crews run to the finish and then spend 2-3minutes watching a car trickle down to the stop line, driver taking his helmet off, followed by an interview where Molly probably asks stupid questions.

Then rinse and repeat, back to the start of the stage where they cut to another pointless pre recorded interview.

All that can easily be put in a small screen while we follow a full screen of the action on-going - like focusing on Neuville and Ogier for most of the full stage while there's 0.4s separating them.

Heads need to roll if they can't sort that out. I even had a mate watching it with me who enjoys motorsport but isn't a fanatic or big on the WRC, and even he made a comment like "they don't show much of the action, its just interviews". Reddit has been full of complaints and many people on here have criticised them for stuff like this before, they should be aware of complaints & suggested improvements made by comments from fans on social media/ online forums etc. Most companies do.

Agree to that. Potential for improvements is a fact.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Power Stage for-TV coverage isnt the same as the typical WRC+ All Live normal online stage coverage.

[denkimi]

They don't listen - same stock response to emails if you even get a reply.

Their coverage of the power stage was an absolute joke in Monte.

Pre recorded pointless interviews from the top drivers before they show them blasting off into the stage, then cutting to the last 30seconds of another crews run to the finish and then spend 2-3minutes watching a car trickle down to the stop line, driver taking his helmet off, followed by an interview where Molly probably asks stupid questions.

Then rinse and repeat, back to the start of the stage where they cut to another pointless pre recorded interview.

All that can easily be put in a small screen while we follow a full screen of the action on-going - like focusing on Neuville and Ogier for most of the full stage while there's 0.4s separating them.

Heads need to roll if they can't sort that out. I even had a mate watching it with me who enjoys motorsport but isn't a fanatic or big on the WRC, and even he made a comment like "they don't show much of the action, its just interviews". Reddit has been full of complaints and many people on here have criticised them for stuff like this before, they should be aware of complaints & suggested improvements made by comments from fans on social media/ online forums etc. Most companies do.
or they could just stream all different camera's and let the viewer pick which one he wants to see.
want to see the normal broadcast? watch channel 1. want to see the camera and the interviews at the finish? watch channel 2. want to see the pre recorded interviews? select which one you want to see on channel 3. want to see ogier onboard? watch channel 4. neuville onboard? watch 5. want to see stationary camera's? 6. and so on.

it costs them nothing more, and it would make the experience hugely better.

[NickRally]

or they could just stream all different camera's and let the viewer pick which one he wants to see.
want to see the normal broadcast? watch channel 1. want to see the camera and the interviews at the finish? watch channel 2. want to see the pre recorded interviews? select which one you want to see on channel 3. want to see ogier onboard? watch channel 4. neuville onboard? watch 5. want to see stationary camera's? 6. and so on.

it costs them nothing more, and it would make the experience hugely better.

I will stop my subscription at the end of my current month, but if they do the above and if of course the service becomes reliable enough, I will subscribe again.

[Franky]

or they could just stream all different camera's and let the viewer pick which one he wants to see.
want to see the normal broadcast? watch channel 1. want to see the camera and the interviews at the finish? watch channel 2. want to see the pre recorded interviews? select which one you want to see on channel 3. want to see ogier onboard? watch channel 4. neuville onboard? watch 5. want to see stationary camera's? 6. and so on.

it costs them nothing more, and it would make the experience hugely better.

No offense, but your post with the last sentence is one of the most stupid things posted here recently.

1. One transmission feed
2. Another transmission feed which would be nearly identical to the first transmission feed. Technically it would be the base feed. That's already two different transmission outputs and you'll need two different mixers for it.
3. Not a feed, but a video gallery as you proposed.
4&5. There are three different cameras on board. Unless the feed is only single camera, then it would require one mixer per feed. Also the onboard signal is not constant. Imagine the moaning here.
6. Yet another mixer.
...
All of it would cost a nice number and increase the logistical head ache significantly.

[SubaruNorway]

Like it's been explained many times now, it would not possible to chose from onboards because they only have signal over 10km meaning it's probably only two cars within that area.
It was pretty stable all last year apart from MC, just because they had one hickup with the new software now it's still really good, and we only missed two stages.

[Morte66]

You should market to your target audience, not to secondary audience. After all, it's only the fans who tune in to the broadcasts as loyal viewers.

When this started, casual TV viewers were the the target audience: they took their TV highlights package that went to TV channels, and they put it on a paid website to sell it to some extra people. Plus they added the onboards, and finally the 3 live stages (the only thing that was new for WRC+). So it was mostly "shovelware". They took stuff they had already made for random TV viewers, added a bit for enthusiasts, and tried it out to see whether it sold.

Now that they have the "all live" version, it's more of an enthusiast product. But they're still producing a lot of it as if it were for mass market TV. They still have John Desborough, for crying out loud.

Also, filming rally is very expensive. They will pad the actual rallying with anything else they can get away with (interviews, standing starts, commentators jabbering) to keep the cost down by showing as little rally as possible. :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All Live is effectively an rally enthusiasts service but still being produced by TV people who dont know (or care?) what we really want to see and hear.

Most of us dont want a 'show', we just want the most relevant raw pictures, pure sound and live split times.

[pantealex]

6 € / month (that´s 1,5€ / rally day and if there is 2 rallies in same month it´s 0,75€ / rally day)

and some of you are still moaning

LOL

I´m happy.

[Duvel]

6 € / month (that´s 1,5€ / rally day and if there is 2 rallies in same month it´s 0,75€ / rally day)

and some of you are still moaning

LOL



I´m happy.

Me happy to, price is good for what you get. Ok broadcasting troubles should be solved, thats not ok.
I like the show, also not complaining about comentary.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More ways to watch BT Sport:
http://sport.bt.com/news/watch-bt-sport-on-xbox-samsung-tv-and-apple-tv-with-new-large-screen-app-S11364334308554

Also says they will be giving viewers more options to personalise their viewing and audio.

[denkimi]

No offense, but your post with the last sentence is one of the most stupid things posted here recently.

1. One transmission feed
2. Another transmission feed which would be nearly identical to the first transmission feed. Technically it would be the base feed. That's already two different transmission outputs and you'll need two different mixers for it.
3. Not a feed, but a video gallery as you proposed.
4&5. There are three different cameras on board. Unless the feed is only single camera, then it would require one mixer per feed. Also the onboard signal is not constant. Imagine the moaning here.
6. Yet another mixer.
...
All of it would cost a nice number and increase the logistical head ache significantly.
Are you being payed by alllive to spread that bullshit?
I could stream 5 different camera angles from my kitchen live with my home pc and less then a thousand euro for christ sake.

They have all the input feet, all they need to do is send it back out. They don't need anything but a pc and a decent internet connection. There's no need to mix or edit anything, giving viewers the option too choose between different raw feeds is all we want.

There are thousands of sites that can do it, kanaal+ did it 20 years ago with f1 on regular television.


Like it's been explained many times now, it would not possible to chose from onboards because they only have signal over 10km meaning it's probably only two cars within that area.
It was pretty stable all last year apart from MC, just because they had one hickup with the new software now it's still really good, and we only missed two stages.
I could put smartphones in every car and stream every stage live on facebook.

The technology is there, they just don't want to.

[Googol]

Yeah, right. Make an offer for them then.

[AnttiL]

I could stream 5 different camera angles from my kitchen live with my home pc and less then a thousand euro for christ sake.
Does your kitchen move at 180 km/h in the mountains and forests?

[SubaruNorway]

I could put smartphones in every car and stream every stage live on facebook.

The technology is there, they just don't want to.

On most stages in the WRC you can't even get on FB, i know on Röjden and Svullrya in some places you can barely send a text.
Spain also had really bad connection. So how would you sort that out?

I do think there's a reason they use 150.000€ kits in each car for camera's and satellite signal through the repeater plane and not a smartphone ;)

[lnvs]

They could move every rally to denkimi's kitchen. :rolleyes:

[NickRally]

I am sure what denkimi is suggesting is doable on a technical level, the question is if the promoter considers it worth doing.

[Googol]

Of course you can set up an own 4G network to every rally site, or stream 5 different angles from denkimi's kitchen, even though if you want to do HD thousand euros may not be enough, but neither of them surely won't be worth doing.

[Lousada]

The tour de france cycles 200+ kilometres a day through forests, mountains, villages and sometimes atrocious weather. Yet they manage to bring each and every stage, start to finish, in the very best quality on your tv-screens. In fact you can turn on Eurosport and you'll see minor cycling races from every corner of the globe live. There is no excuse why the wrc cannot do that either.

[dodge33cymru]

On most stages in the WRC you can't even get on FB, i know on Röjden and Svullrya in some places you can barely send a text.
Spain also had really bad connection. So how would you sort that out?

I do think there's a reason they use 150.000€ kits in each car for camera's and satellite signal through the repeater plane and not a smartphone ;)

I mean that comment goes for pretty much the entirety of Wales, let alone the rally stage sections...

[rallyfiend]

The tour de france cycles 200+ kilometres a day through forests, mountains, villages and sometimes atrocious weather. Yet they manage to bring each and every stage, start to finish, in the very best quality on your tv-screens. In fact you can turn on Eurosport and you'll see minor cycling races from every corner of the globe live. There is no excuse why the wrc cannot do that either.

Now you're just being ridiculous.

How many bikes have cameras on them? How fast do the bikes travel? Do they travel on uneven terrain?

I've watched a lot of cycling, and there are RF drop outs from the motorbike cameras all the time.

And guess what, it's the same company that supplies a lot of the equipment and technology for the Tour de France and the WRC: AMP Visual TV.

Are you suggesting they do a bad job in WRC because they want to, or perhaps one is just inherently more difficult than the other?

If you think it's so easy, why doesn't ASO, the company that promotes the tour de France also do it for the Dakar?

[AnttiL]

This is just from the top of my head, but I would guess Tour de France has a lot of more viewers and therefore a lot more budget for televising.

[SubaruNorway]

Of course you can set up an own 4G network to every rally site, or stream 5 different angles from denkimi's kitchen, even though if you want to do HD thousand euros may not be enough, but neither of them surely won't be worth doing.

That is one way but wouldn't work without many big transmitter towers i guess, they did it on a "minutt by minutt" broadcast in Norway this summer broadcasting all day for four 5 day trips from this backpack and guys on the mountains around with transmitters, dropped out a lot in the forests.
https://nrkbeta.no/2018/07/21/bak-kulissene-pa-monsen-minutt-for-minutt/

[Googol]

The tour de france cycles 200+ kilometres a day through forests, mountains, villages and sometimes atrocious weather. Yet they manage to bring each and every stage, start to finish, in the very best quality on your tv-screens. In fact you can turn on Eurosport and you'll see minor cycling races from every corner of the globe live. There is no excuse why the wrc cannot do that either.

WRC does that nowadays. The quality is bad to mediocre in WRC+, but it's not that Eurosport Player is/was excellent either. It's not the lack of amount of production why no/few TV channel shows all of it. It's just easier to sell regular time TdF stages into a middle of the replay season or an hour or two of smaller race, instead of 15 hours of program for 2,5 days with irregular gaps between show times, meaning that it pretty much occupies a channel for full 2,5 days.

[lnvs]

The tour de france cycles 200+ kilometres a day through forests, mountains, villages and sometimes atrocious weather. Yet they manage to bring each and every stage, start to finish, in the very best quality on your tv-screens. In fact you can turn on Eurosport and you'll see minor cycling races from every corner of the globe live. There is no excuse why the wrc cannot do that either.Like rallyfiend said they use same type of tech.

https://cyclingtips.com/2016/06/eyes-in-the-sky-how-the-tour-de-france-is-broadcast-to-the-world/

They could get better signal and action in WRC if they put MotoGP-rider+cameraman riding infront of ever car.
https://www.aso.fr/img/photos/television/car-regie-sur-le-tour-de-france-01-hd.jpg

On a serious note, it's all about the budget. I'm sure the production could be better if there was £1 billion TV contracts like in F1.

[Franky]

Are you being payed by alllive to spread that bullshit?

If I'd only be on their payroll..