Wrc+

[WRCStan]

Once again I have inside information

Be that may, you should be sinbinned for saying that here and not sharing.

Coverage was great as far as I saw.

[AnttiL]

Should they be cut some slack? Because they're having to work in Kenya?

It's literally their companies decision that they're in Kenya.....

No. WRC Promoter decides the calendar. NEP Finland does the production.

[Eli]

No. WRC Promoter decides the calendar. NEP Finland does the production.

They have a WMSC meeting this Friday concerning the calendar for next year right?

[AnttiL]

They have a WMSC meeting this Friday concerning the calendar for next year right?

Yeah, FIA is of course in the game as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

One thing I dont get is when they say on comms that someone has stopped in a stage but they 'dont know why'.

Surely they can see the live pictures from the car and if its crashed or just stopped with a mechanical or puncture ?

[DoN_cz]

To me it seems that the commentators dont actually see anything more than us. It's the producer(s) who have multiple screens with all the cameras and stuff. But yes, I dont get it either, why they can't switch view to the stopped car...

[Eli]

To me it seems that the commentators dont actually see anything more than us. It's the producer(s) who have multiple screens with all the cameras and stuff. But yes, I dont get it either, why they can't switch view to the stopped car...

Except for Julian Porter who has heard (didn't say from who) that Tänak's contract is up at the end of the year.

[AnttiL]

To me it seems that the commentators dont actually see anything more than us. It's the producer(s) who have multiple screens with all the cameras and stuff. But yes, I dont get it either, why they can't switch view to the stopped car...

This. They basically just watch the footage and talk over it. Not sure if they can even interact with the director who is in London(?) and the commentators at the service park.

Sometimes the stopped car is in another section of the stage, out of reach of the transmitter.

[Rally Hokkaido]

This. They basically just watch the footage and talk over it. Not sure if they can even interact with the director who is in London(?) and the commentators at the service park.

Sometimes the stopped car is in another section of the stage, out of reach of the transmitter.

That is it, I think. They can't communicate normally with the Producer.
During this rally I noticed something that I hadn't before. Becs would give some coded instructions to the Producer. Eg. "It would be good if we could see/know what problem Ogier has." Often she would repeat the same sentence and 'poof' the screen would magically switch to Ogier's car.....or sometimes not !

[MentalParadox]

Sometimes the commentators have a good question they could ask the driver, but they can't seem to communicate with the stage-end interviewer to tell her/him to ask that question. Yeah, WRC+ is weird sometimes. Like they lack proper communication between the various parties involved.


Once again I have inside information from the WRC+ team and I've heard it was not easy to work in Kenya, so we should cut them some slack for a bit of gremlins while most of the action was covered with no problems.

But AnttiL, Kenya is a perfect country populated by perfect people, they repeat that every other sentence and have the drivers confirm it every other sentence as well. Kenya is literally the gold standard of civilization and to suggest it's a ""hard"" environment to work in must be phobic in *some* way or other

[Eli]

WRC+ alllive stuck again, quality is just amazing.

[satnav]

Its gone again !!!!

[SubaruNorway]

No subscription right?

[Eli]

Its gone again !!!!

Bunch of amateurs or as NOT would call them, Village team.

[seb_sh]

down for me as well :(

[haris274]

Every single rally WRC All Live has a problem! EVERY SINGLE RALLY THE SAME SHITS!

[Eli]

Now it's telling me I don't have an active subscription.....no these guys are something else.

Edit:

The website isn't working either.

[RallyFan13]

Me shows other user’s account…

[seb_sh]

Me shows other user’s account…

you can sue for that, well... the other user could

[satnav]

Now saying i've no subscription wtf

[Eli]

Now saying i've no subscription wtf

It's fixed now and we're on to WRC2 cars, nice experience overall.

[SubaruNorway]

And there it went again?

[seb_sh]

yeah it's gone

[Franky]

After a break of not really following the rallies on WRC+, I've been watching the last few nearly from start to finish. And I'd like to complain. Ok, Molly doing the service park bits was a nice breeze of fresh air. But the commentary team needs a serious shake up. Most of the time it feels so generic that they might as well be comparing washing powder. Only Porter can not carry it. Often it feels like they know as little as the viewer who doesn't follow anything else besides the All Live.

When All Live started, it felt like there was ambition. Now it just feels like 9 to 5 job and no ambition.

[MentalParadox]

After a break of not really following the rallies on WRC+, I've been watching the last few nearly from start to finish. And I'd like to complain. Ok, Molly doing the service park bits was a nice breeze of fresh air. But the commentary team needs a serious shake up. Most of the time it feels so generic that they might as well be comparing washing powder. Only Porter can not carry it. Often it feels like they know as little as the viewer who doesn't follow anything else besides the All Live.

When All Live started, it felt like there was ambition. Now it just feels like 9 to 5 job and no ambition.

They need more guys like Østberg - people with recent experience of how everything works, and enjoy explaining in great detail. Porter's knowledge (like Brundle in F1) is decades old and of ever diminishing relevance. I also feel like they're wasting Seb Marshall on these stage ends. All he can do is ask the same generic questions Molly used to ask, and his experience doesn't help here. At least in co-comms, he would be able to share his experience.

[J4MIE]

I subscribed for a month and watched bits of Sardinia and some Safari while I was there. Didn’t bother to renew and can’t see why I ever would again.

[WRCStan]

I've always found it awkward that the stage end reporter can't converse naturally with the commentary team. "Let's hope Molly asks him about a potential issue", she asks about conditions, then 3 minutes later, "Whatsapp from Molly, says she could smell oil".

Is that down to delay? They can't say "Hey Molly, looks like an engine issue", "Yes let's find out, and I can smell oil" ?

[PLuto]

I've always found it awkward that the stage end reporter can't converse naturally with the commentary team. "Let's hope Molly asks him about a potential issue", she asks about conditions, then 3 minutes later, "Whatsapp from Molly, says she could smell oil".

Is that down to delay? They can't say "Hey Molly, looks like an engine issue", "Yes let's find out, and I can smell oil" ?

Naturally there is a delay. What you have seen on All live in reality happened many, many seconds ago. Delay is because of transmission and also live is delayed to allow director to switch in time to correct camera or cut the stream from camera in case something bad happen (like Suninen in Portugal). So in fact what you can see happened +- 30 seconds ago...

[cali]

Naturally there is a delay. What you have seen on All live in reality happened many, many seconds ago. Delay is because of transmission and also live is delayed to allow director to switch in time to correct camera or cut the stream from camera in case something bad happen (like Suninen in Portugal). So in fact what you can see happened +- 30 seconds ago...With 4G connection in the woods we counted almost 2 min of delay on stageside.

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[EstWRC]

After a break of not really following the rallies on WRC+, I've been watching the last few nearly from start to finish. And I'd like to complain. Ok, Molly doing the service park bits was a nice breeze of fresh air. But the commentary team needs a serious shake up. Most of the time it feels so generic that they might as well be comparing washing powder. Only Porter can not carry it. Often it feels like they know as little as the viewer who doesn't follow anything else besides the All Live.

When All Live started, it felt like there was ambition. Now it just feels like 9 to 5 job and no ambition.

Amen!

I only have wrc plus cause of live maps.

Haven’t watched alllive since 2021 when Go3 and TV3 Sport channel got the rights and started to broadcast. Much better and more fun feed

They really need new commentators for alllive

[WRCStan]

Naturally there is a delay. What you have seen on All live in reality happened many, many seconds ago. Delay is because of transmission and also live is delayed to allow director to switch in time to correct camera or cut the stream from camera in case something bad happen (like Suninen in Portugal). So in fact what you can see happened +- 30 seconds ago...

A broadcast delay makes perfect sense. A production delay does not. The director is not saying "run the graphics, and Paul you talk about this in 30 seconds time."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another issue is the ERC events now being covered by the same people and commentators. It all getting much too samey.

Previously we had Chris Rawes who did it with Julian Porter and they were great on radio and the odd live YT stage and I miss that different way and feel.

[J4MIE]

With 4G connection in the woods we counted almost 2 min of delay on stageside.

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Yes more like 2 min from my experience too.

[ouvreur]

I've thought about this a lot over the last couple of months / events. Is WRC All Live really worth it?

How many people actually sit and watch it for the whole weekend? As in, every second it's online?

How many people find out what they need to find out about an event from it (as opposed to on social media)?

How much of what is being broadcast is truly interesting, breathtaking, spectacular stuff (as a proportion of the time it's on-air)?

How much do people enjoy seeing and hearing the same talking heads saying basically the same things event after event?

Is it really worth forcing events to follow an itinerary and timetable that suits being 'All Live', to the detriment of practically every person actually involved in the event? Are so many people watching it that it makes sense for crews to be in their cars for 12-14 hours some days just to do around 120 competitive km? That's before we even speak about the utterly mental hours some mechanics / engineers have to do...

Does watching hours of (mostly) pretty ordinary onboard footage with hardly anything happening, Julian Porter chatting over the top of it, and 1/100 stage end 'interviews' being of any interest at all, give us any more than rally radio and an hourly highlights / catch-up show would do?

Don't get me wrong. I like it, and I'm sad enough to have it running from dawn til dusk during events, regardless of my apathy toward the commentary team. I can understand the value it has for teams too, to be able to see in real time how their cars / crews are performing.

But... is what we have in 2022 any better than in 2012, or 2002, or even 1992?

[DoN_cz]

And now imagine that all of this is being produced for ERC as well. That is overkill IMHO. And just like you, I have All Live running basically all day on my TV.

[trifonvl]

You said it all

[Lancia Stratos]

I've thought about this a lot over the last couple of months / events. Is WRC All Live really worth it?

How many people actually sit and watch it for the whole weekend? As in, every second it's online?

How many people find out what they need to find out about an event from it (as opposed to on social media)?

How much of what is being broadcast is truly interesting, breathtaking, spectacular stuff (as a proportion of the time it's on-air)?

How much do people enjoy seeing and hearing the same talking heads saying basically the same things event after event?

Is it really worth forcing events to follow an itinerary and timetable that suits being 'All Live', to the detriment of practically every person actually involved in the event? Are so many people watching it that it makes sense for crews to be in their cars for 12-14 hours some days just to do around 120 competitive km? That's before we even speak about the utterly mental hours some mechanics / engineers have to do...

Does watching hours of (mostly) pretty ordinary onboard footage with hardly anything happening, Julian Porter chatting over the top of it, and 1/100 stage end 'interviews' being of any interest at all, give us any more than rally radio and an hourly highlights / catch-up show would do?

Don't get me wrong. I like it, and I'm sad enough to have it running from dawn til dusk during events, regardless of my apathy toward the commentary team. I can understand the value it has for teams too, to be able to see in real time how their cars / crews are performing.

But... is what we have in 2022 any better than in 2012, or 2002, or even 1992?

Think you answered your own question in the penultimate paragraph!

But I guess a lot of people don't watch it live - but sit down when they feel like it and select what they want to watch. Horses for courses.

[AndersX]

I am one of those who try to have WRC+ in the background as long as possible during the rally days. But after watching Estonia, just partly, i could not get out of the feeling that it all starts to look boring, predictable, even artificial. I also think thag WRC+ is annoying since day one, e.g. results and driver comments I am checking only via E-Wrc app.

[PLuto]

Another issue is the ERC events now being covered by the same people and commentators. It all getting much too samey.

Previously we had Chris Rawes who did it with Julian Porter and they were great on radio and the odd live YT stage and I miss that different way and feel.

During last ERC rounds, in the service area I have heard many times, that rally radio was better than All Live...

[WRCStan]

But... is what we have in 2022 any better than in 2012, or 2002, or even 1992?

What's to be gained from scrapping it? Itineraries were always long days for crews and mechanics, isn't that part of the game? And what's really different? Top 15 cars don't overlap?

Consider this: alllive is not the flagship entertainment package we think of it. The cameras and reporters are there anyway to gather everything for the purpose of highlights and TV live stages, and those on the car are for stewards and safety surveillance in Rally HQ. It's their jobs to stay on top of everything even without all live, so broadcasting live is squeezing extra value, is easy and monetisable.

It was never aimed at being watched all the way through from start to finish by subscribers, there's no prizes for doing that and there are off buttons. So if you're asking yourself "why am I watching?", turn it off once in a while maybe? Typically, rallies get less entertaining as it progresses, so cut Sunday's stages out for a start and catch up on the powerstage. That once-in-fifty-rallies event where the rally leader bins it by mistake on a Sunday really ain't worth it to say you saw it LIVE! Second step is go further when there isn't a race on, stick just to the live TV stages on Saturday, then maybe also Friday. Suddenly the commentators and stage ends aren't repetitive but informative.

I didn't bother with Saturday at all for Estonia after gauging from the Friday leaderboard, scrolled though the chat here to see if there was much to catch up on. No, lol. But you betcha though, when a Loeb v Ogier at Monte comes along you'll be wishing you could see it (all) instead of listening to a chap on the radio speculating and hypothesising.

[Sal yet again]

When CDs came along vinyl started to die off then streaming came along and music was available 24/7 without having to clean the record or put the disc in the machine. Now vinyl is in big demand again for the warmth of the sound and yes a bit of nostalgia for some.

Rallying for me is best consumed like vinyl, you have to make an effort and then sit back and enjoy the best bits. I dont need splits to peak my interest I'm happy to wait and watch a highlights report as long as it was like back in the day when filmed by BHP and fronted by Mark James and not Desborough/BeccsyWeksy. I'm usually out watching/taking part in motorsport on a weekend so havent got time to sit by the computer and just see in car videos.

[Lancia Stratos]

During last ERC rounds, in the service area I have heard many times, that rally radio was better than All Live...

I bet you can't tell me one driver or team manager in the ERC service park who has said that.

TV exposure or radio coverage? Mmmmm......

[ouvreur]

What's to be gained from scrapping it? Itineraries were always long days for crews and mechanics, isn't that part of the game? And what's really different? Top 15 cars don't overlap?
'Long days' in the 'good old days' at least meant decent mileage. Now we've got the 'clover leaf' format (despite which, we're seeing an increasing number of events not running midday services on some days), all double-used stages, long delays (especially on gravel rallies with 3 or 4 minute gaps) between one stage finishing and another starting for Rally1 cars, and taking 12 hours to cover 120 competitive km. All to suit an All Live format. Do away with that, and how much more interesting could itineraries be? How many more opportunities for interesting things to happen?


Consider this: alllive is not the flagship entertainment package we think of it. The cameras and reporters are there anyway to gather everything for the purpose of highlights and TV live stages, and those on the car are for stewards and safety surveillance in Rally HQ. It's their jobs to stay on top of everything even without all live, so broadcasting live is squeezing extra value, is easy and monetisable.
So, let the stage-side cameras continue to serve that purpose. No problem for me. It's not like the shots we get from them are ever really that interesting / capture anything dramatic happening. You've seen one Rally1 car sliding around a medium-speed corner, you've seen them all. Most interesting external footage comes from 'fan cam' on social media. Let the onboard cameras continue to be broadcast live. Absolutely fine. But manipulating itineraries and event formats to be able to show that stuff live just does not make sense to me.


It was never aimed at being watched all the way through from start to finish by subscribers, there's no prizes for doing that and there are off buttons. So if you're asking yourself "why am I watching?", turn it off once in a while maybe? Typically, rallies get less entertaining as it progresses, so cut Sunday's stages out for a start and catch up on the powerstage. That once-in-fifty-rallies event where the rally leader bins it by mistake on a Sunday really ain't worth it to say you saw it LIVE! Second step is go further when there isn't a race on, stick just to the live TV stages on Saturday, then maybe also Friday. Suddenly the commentators and stage ends aren't repetitive but informative.
I'm not asking myself that. I don't sit glued to the screen all weekend, often it's just on in the background, but I like to know what's going on, and in the now-absence of rally radio, it's the only option. What I'm asking is, does it offer us - and indeed the sport - anything that justifies the impact broadcasting All Live has on itineraries?

If your suggestion to make something (that only takes place once a month) seem more interesting is for me to just consume less of it, that tells me there's an issue with some part of the product, not my ability to feel excited by things...


I didn't bother with Saturday at all for Estonia after gauging from the Friday leaderboard, scrolled though the chat here to see if there was much to catch up on. No, lol. But you betcha though, when a Loeb v Ogier at Monte comes along you'll be wishing you could see it (all) instead of listening to a chap on the radio speculating and hypothesising.
We get the speculating and hypothesising (more often than not incorrectly) with All Live anyway!

By all means, keep Sunday as an 'all live' day. That's the day the greater number of people have completely free anyway, and generally it needs to be a shorter day to enable teams to pack up. But I'll ask again - what does the sport gain from having Fridays and Saturdays broadcast live in their entirety, that justifies the dull, over-long itineraries?

[WRCStan]

'Long days' in the 'good old days' at least meant decent mileage. Now we've got the 'clover leaf' format (despite which, we're seeing an increasing number of events not running midday services on some days), all double-used stages, long delays (especially on gravel rallies with 3 or 4 minute gaps) between one stage finishing and another starting for Rally1 cars, and taking 12 hours to cover 120 competitive km. All to suit an All Live format. Do away with that, and how much more interesting could itineraries be? How many more opportunities for interesting things to happen?

...

But I'll ask again - what does the sport gain from having Fridays and Saturdays broadcast live in their entirety, that justifies the dull, over-long itineraries?

I think you're using AllLive as a scapegoat here for why rallies don't look like they were 30,40,50 years ago.

[AnttiL]

All Live came out like 15 years after clover leaf format. And the only thing All Live has dictated for event itineraries is that stages don't overlap and that there can be only four normal stages in a loop. I remember in 2017 rallies like Sardegna or Catalunya (especially the gravel stages) were like this. First stage at 10 AM, second stage at 10:45, third stage at 11:30. It's all over in two hours for the top drivers. Then you wait for five hours for the service break and then again two intense hours. I think it's a lot better now with the stages spread out.

I personally love to follow every moment of All Live, maybe even a bit too much. I get a terrible FOMO if I miss out a stage and just read the results. It feels like always all the drama happens when I'm not watching live. But it's difficult to find the time and sometimes I just have to make a compromise with myself. At least All Live can be paused and buffered, radio could be not.

As for rallies being longer, nowadays I just get people complaining that nothing is happening after Saturday.

[Portimao]

The most terrible duo is Becs + Ben. I can assure watching live footage in a pub with random viewer commenting would be more exciting. Sorry to say, but they know shit. They say what they see, like literally. Becs is in this for years and she doesn't know basics.

[Eli]

The most terrible duo is Becs + Ben. I can assure watching live footage in a pub with random viewer commenting would be more exciting. Sorry to say, but they know shit. They say what they see, like literally. Becs is in this for years and she doesn't know basics.

She's there twenty years and all we hear is, 'they finished the stage for us' and reading times that we can know on the screen. Another thing that grinds my gears, is that they try to sugar coat everything, someone has been making mistakes for 4 rallies in a row: "he's been a bit unlucky" or my favourite: "title race not over yet?" when Thierry has literally yet to won a rally this year.

[rallyfiend]

During last ERC rounds, in the service area I have heard many times, that rally radio was better than All Live...

There is absolutely no way this can be true. C'mon...

[WRCStan]

I bet you can't tell me one driver or team manager in the ERC service park who has said that.

TV exposure or radio coverage? Mmmmm......

Not every driver wants/needs exposure, and it sounds reasonable that somebody might not want to pay huge entry fees just to be put in the position of providing value to somebody else's profits for no reward.

[AnttiL]

She's there twenty years and all we hear is, 'they finished the stage for us' and reading times that we can know on the screen. Another thing that grinds my gears, is that they try to sugar coat everything, someone has been making mistakes for 4 rallies in a row: "he's been a bit unlucky" or my favourite: "title race not over yet?" when Thierry has literally yet to won a rally this year.

I don't think there's a problem with the people in the first place, but the style of commentary they use. And then we can ask whether that's their personal decision or something that has been ordered from above. Remember how Colin Clark said he wanted to go to Dirtfish to be more free to voice his opinions. Maybe this very polite, void of jargon style of commentary is asked by the WRC Promoter? Me as a rally geek would prefer a more analytic style, more rally professionalism, and that's what I get when there is a driver co-commentating.

[cali]

I don't think there's a problem with the people in the first place, but the style of commentary they use. And then we can ask whether that's their personal decision or something that has been ordered from above. Remember how Colin Clark said he wanted to go to Dirtfish to be more free to voice his opinions. Maybe this very polite, void of jargon style of commentary is asked by the WRC Promoter? Me as a rally geek would prefer a more analytic style, more rally professionalism, and that's what I get when there is a driver co-commentating.As far as I know Colin was basically kicked out of WRC+.

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[AndyRAC]

As somebody already said, a lot of the people involved have been there since the ISC/North One era - so approx 20 years. And it shows....it's stale, tired and needs a massive refresh. One wonders just how much input Red Bull have; watch any of their output (MTB World Cup, Hard Enduro, etc) and it's far better than what we're seeing in the WRC. I do think there are far too many previous era (North One) people involved in the coverage.

[Katvala]

If anyone else is bothered with this:

I sent an email to wrc + support about Rally winner: Kalle Rovanperä (f.ex) being displayed on top of stage selection in all live.

This has ruined many rallies for me now. I often don't have time to watch live, but watch a stage or 5 when I can and perhaps finish watching a rally a week later. I want to see all the stages still and am able to keep spoilers away, except this one. Knowing the winner already takes the excitement away and I then don't bother watching..

Would appreciate if anyone else could send a mail about this too! Maybe they can remove this if enough ask for it

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[bomber21]

I doubt they read the emails. Or to be honest, I believe they read them and they ignore them. They just do not care.

[Katvala]

I doubt they read the emails. Or to be honest, I believe they read them and they ignore them. They just do not care.We'll see! They've listened to things in the past. Definitely not going to sit back continuing to be annoyed by this without at least trying to ask about this first

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

As somebody already said, a lot of the people involved have been there since the ISC/North One era - so approx 20 years. And it shows....it's stale, tired and needs a massive refresh. One wonders just how much input Red Bull have; watch any of their output (MTB World Cup, Hard Enduro, etc) and it's far better than what we're seeing in the WRC. I do think there are far too many previous era (North One) people involved in the coverage.

The only problem is if they did a big refresh they would probably make it even worse and alienate the existing (older) fans with some annoying young trendy types.

In what way is the Red Bull coverage of other sports better ?

[AnttiL]

The Flying Finns documentary made by YLE in Finland is now available on WRC+ with English subtitles. It was shown on YLE during the week of Rally Finland and I think it's a really nice modern documentary about Finnish rallying. Not going through every bit of history in chronological order, but taking interesting topics and drivers and focusing on them in depth. And with lots of nice archive footage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

As far as I know Colin was basically kicked out of WRC+.

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He was not. There were issues at the time with budgets for all staff, from camera men to commentators, to producers and the like.

He received a better offer else where and moved on.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Becs Williams... it is a bit weird that this Male-dominated sport (competitor-wise) has had a female main commentator all this time (and one who has zero experience of driving or co-driving). Other sports dont even do this now, even in this 2022 woke, PC, maximum equality era.

Moving her on would be the biggest and simplest re-fresh WRC+ could do.

[AnttiL]

We can always debate and discuss level of professionalism of the commentator but gender does not make any difference.

[Eli]

True but their level of professionalism is sub par to say the least & I don't know why, for a third season now they stopped mixing their commentators on their highlights.

[the sniper]

Re Becs Williams... it is a bit weird that this Male-dominated sport (competitor-wise) has had a female main commentator all this time (and one who has zero experience of driving or co-driving). Other sports dont even do this now, even in this 2022 woke, PC, maximum equality era.

Leaving aside the gender stuff, as I'm not sure what your point is, how often does any main commentator in any sport have much experience of competing in the sport concerned? I'd say it isn't the norm at all. Look at English language Formula 1 coverage for example, David Croft doesn't, James Allen didn't, Jonathan Legard didn't. Murray Walker did a bit on bikes in the 1940s... Only Ben Edwards did some lower formula circuit racing.

The main failing of WRC+ is is in the co-commentary position, there are so many ex-competitor's that could do well in that role, but they're seemingly too cheap to fill that position properly.

[Eli]

Leaving aside the gender stuff, as I'm not sure what your point is, how often does any main commentator in any sport have much experience of competing in the sport concerned? I'd say it isn't the norm at all. Look at English language Formula 1 coverage for example, David Croft doesn't, James Allen didn't, Jonathan Legard didn't. Murray Walker did a bit on bikes in the 1940s... Only Ben Edwards did some lower formula circuit racing.

The main failing of WRC+ is is in the co-commentary position, there are so many ex-competitor's that could do well in that role, but they're seemingly too cheap to fill that position properly.

I wouldn't mind the commentary if A) you could disable it like they did give the option back in 2020 &/or B) they'd get people who would do more than just tell us: "they finished the stage for us" or chatting amongst themselves cause they haven't got the slightest clue. For the most part it feels like they don't want to be there, and they're only there to fill the (air) time. To add insult to injury, now we have them both in the WRC & ERC; was it too expensive to get new/other commentators? or does the promoter simply doesn't give a rats ass and we as rally fans are left with that barely baked All-Live? I'm pretty sure that if that kind of level of commentary would appear in F1, someone would get sacked.

[mknight]

I fail to see the big issues with Allive itself.
Porter is good
Desborough is gone (don't remember last time I heard him)
Bec is ok, mostly for "fillup"

Missing Østberg as he was the best "expert" commentator.
Turning commentary off works (did it in Ypres, don't remember if that was on TV or phone).


For attracting new (young fans) different/new plattform is needed to hook them first. YouTube channel with a young and enthusiastic presenter, some "reality" series like drive to survive etc.

For allive itself own camera choice should be possible (pick from 2-3 cameras), specially on TV-stages with many roadside cameras. At some point also pick off on board camera.

[Eli]

I fail to see the big issues with Allive itself.
Porter is good
Desborough is gone (don't remember last time I heard him)
Bec is ok, mostly for "fillup"

Missing Østberg as he was the best "expert" commentator.
Turning commentary off works (did it in Ypres, don't remember if that was on TV or phone).


For attracting new (young fans) different/new plattform is needed to hook them first. YouTube channel with a young and enthusiastic presenter, some "reality" series like drive to survive etc.

For allive itself own camera choice should be possible (pick from 2-3 cameras), specially on TV-stages with many roadside cameras. At some point also pick off on board camera.

Desborough Isn’t gone, he’s now commentating entirely by himself in the daily highlights for each rally and has been doing so since 2020.

How did you manage to turn off commentary? They don’t give that option anymore, tried on both app and web browser of the TV.

[AndyRAC]

For attracting new (young fans) different/new platform is needed to hook them first. YouTube channel with a young and enthusiastic presenter, some "reality" series like drive to survive etc.



I've banging this drum for ages; they need a decent free to air product on YouTube. Regular output on events, weekly round up, lifestyle, tech, etc

[the sniper]

I've banging this drum for ages; they need a decent free to air product on YouTube. Regular output on events, weekly round up, lifestyle, tech, etc

I think I've been saying since before 'drive to survive' was a thing that perhaps a different approach for highlights would be some kind of docu film after each rally, instead of or in addition to the (tired) format of the highlight shows. The challenge would be whether you could get them done quick enough, though producing a show to go out a week later would be a good effort, putting it up on You Tube.

[WRCStan]

I've banging this drum for ages; they need a decent free to air product on YouTube. Regular output on events, weekly round up, lifestyle, tech, etc

Yes, yet no. The last thing I want to watch is WRC Promoter's corporate execution of anything like this. Combination of being able to say the unofficial things like Kitchen Table and the casual approach and accessibility of Road Book would be perfect.

[wyler]

Yes, yet no. The last thing I want to watch is WRC Promoter's corporate execution of anything like this. Combination of being able to say the unofficial things like Kitchen Table and the casual approach and accessibility of Road Book would be perfect.

still think road book should be a format for every team and aired free

[haris274]

Live maps are working??? because I see only a black screen... All Live working properly.

[KKS]

Is wrc+ have now any promocodes for free month or trial period?

[bwallace]

nope.

[KiwiWRCfan]

I expect some sensational footage on WRClive as cars race along the SS8 / SS11 Kaipara Hills ridge line. Saturday morning local time in NZ. Friday night for those in Europe and UK

[SubaruNorway]

Has anyone else's phone started playing sound when casting from the app?

[seb_sh]

Has anyone else's phone started playing sound when casting from the app?

Yes it did, I managed to mute the phone using the audio output settings on my phone, but it was quite annoying.

[DoN_cz]

How long have we had WRC+? 4 years? Have they learned anything? Why do we have this stupid view ALL THE FKIGN TIME and especially in night?!

https://opu.peklo.biz/p/22/11/10/1668069705-d2918.jpg

[Eli]

How long have we had WRC+? 4 years? Have they learned anything? Why do we have this stupid view ALL THE FKIGN TIME and especially in night?!

https://opu.peklo.biz/p/22/11/10/1668069705-d2918.jpg

They haven’t learned, if anything I’d say they’ve gotten worse over time, and for me it seems they don’t seem to care/eager to learn/improve and they’re not in under any sort of pressure to do so, it’s just a 9-5 job to them and even at that it’s been done poorly to say the least.

[rallyfiend]

How long have we had WRC+? 4 years? Have they learned anything? Why do we have this stupid view ALL THE FKIGN TIME and especially in night?!

https://opu.peklo.biz/p/22/11/10/1668069705-d2918.jpg

I don't get it. What's the issue with this?

This is the only night stage, so of course they would install the cameras for every other stage.....

[DoN_cz]

The issue (for me) is that this view is overused. I want to see the road ahead, not look at the faces of the crew every few seconds. And I'm talking about daylight stages. The fact, that they use this view even during night, when you cant see ANYTHING just proves that somebody in the WRC+ team is not caring at all about the output.

[Andre Oliveira]

That camera and the start stage one. What a disgrace.

[AnttiL]

They haven’t learned, if anything I’d say they’ve gotten worse over time

You just don't remember what it was like in 2018. No land cameras, a lot more interference and cut signals.

But I agree that face camera is stupid. It's just a gimmick and should not be shown for more than 5 seconds at a time.

[seb_sh]

There were definitely a lot mor technical issues at the begining. Also they did good by showing the interviews in the small picture. However it's weird they show the driver faces so much.

[Eli]

You just don't remember what it was like in 2018. No land cameras, a lot more interference and cut signals.

But I agree that face camera is stupid. It's just a gimmick and should not be shown for more than 5 seconds at a time.

I remember quite okay, and we did have some land camera's but I meant overall the quality of WRC+ hasn't improved and looks to be worse now imho. In 2018 you could say it was a learning year for them but comparing 2019 to what we have now, I wouldn't say it's improved drastically since, if anything it's gone downhill and we now have a missing stage end reporter, since one of them left/was fired after 2020.

They also still haven't bothered with changing their own line-up and with all due respect to them, they seem pretty oblivious to anything happening outside their little bubble. Even when they were being praised for having Østberg in their commentary line-up they managed to muck it up (or maybe they realized he makes them look so bad so they let him go). So yeah, I'd say worse overall, and the amount of technical issues is still a thing in almost every rally no matter the weather, yes, they might've solved some of their issues but I bet if you'd be promoting Formula 1 like that, they'd get a bucket load of backlash. Trust me when I say this, if I had a another option to follow the sport properly I'd use it but unfortunately here I don't have that 'luxury'.

[AnttiL]

I remember quite okay, and we did have some land camera's

Land cameras on non-TV-stages appeared in 2019 after they changed the technology with the land cameras transmitting the signal wirelessly. Before it all went to disk which had to be brought manually to the service park for including in highlights.



we now have a missing stage end reporter

I don't understand this. It's not like we're missing stage end interviews because Colin left. The lineup has never been fixed. Sometimes you had Ben Constaduras or Julian Porter doing stage end interviews. It's changed from rally to rally. And now they have Seb Marshall as a part of the crew, which to me is fantastic.

Rallying is a difficult sport to televise, because it happens on a long route in the forest/mountains and you can't compare it to F1 or other circuit sports happening on a small area where you can have everything plugged in.

The new graphics are also a lot better, WRC2 is separated etc. lots of small things have improved but you just forget how it was some years ago.

[Eli]

Land cameras on non-TV-stages appeared in 2019 after they changed the technology with the land cameras transmitting the signal wirelessly. Before it all went to disk which had to be brought manually to the service park for including in highlights.


I don't understand this. It's not like we're missing stage end interviews because Colin left. The lineup has never been fixed. Sometimes you had Ben Constaduras or Julian Porter doing stage end interviews. It's changed from rally to rally. And now they have Seb Marshall as a part of the crew, which to me is fantastic.

Earlier you said, stage cameras, didn't realize you meant the stages that weren't televised. Colin left after 2019, and I wasn't talking about him, I was referring to Emir (don't remember his last name) who left at the end of 2020.


Rallying is a difficult sport to televise, because it happens on a long route in the forest/mountains and you can't compare it to F1 or other circuit sports happening on a small area where you can have everything plugged in.

The new graphics are also a lot better, WRC2 is separated etc. lots of small things have improved but you just forget how it was some years ago.

The new graphics are horrible imho and I’d argue are harder to read than those we had just last year and while I'm grateful they separated WRC2, they still have some room to improve. I'm aware rallying is a difficult sport to televise but if you look at what Eurosport did back in the IRC days you'd see that they did a whole lot better given the technology they had back then. For reference, I suggest you check out their coverage of the Monte Carlo back in 2010 or Rally of Scotland in that year, both with atrocious conditions yet still they managed but maybe it's just like you said and my mind is betraying me already.

[AnttiL]

Earlier you said,stage cameras, didn't realize you meant for the stages who weren't televised. Colin left after 2019, and I wasn't talking about him, I was referring to Emir (don't remember his last name) who left at the end of 2020.

Obviously TV stages have always had land cameras, even before All Live. But normal All Live stages were originally just helicopter, onboards and stage end camera. Now we typically have three land cameras on a non-TV stage. Emyr Penlan left indeed, I almost didn't notice. But he was also one of those who could be as well at the stage end or at the studio, and didn't do always every event.

I have to check out that IRC 2010 footage that everybody talks about

[WRCStan]

Emyr, Molly, Ben, Dave, Jade, Hayley, Seb, PK until JD stepped back; none are guaranteed starters. Only Becs, Kiri and Julien. Never really fully understood why there isn't a more fixed team but guess I'm not supposed to.

[AnttiL]

Emyr, Molly, Ben, Dave, Jade, Hayley, Seb, PK until JD stepped back; none are guaranteed starters. Only Becs, Kiri and Julien. Never really fully understood why there isn't a more fixed team but guess I'm not supposed to.

Maybe they are all freelancers and have sometimes other jobs?

[seb_sh]

Indeed several covered other racing series in the period they were appearing on the WRC. Molly even does or did some racing herself.

The issue is more what's lacking from the core team and that's a permanent presence of someone with world class experience. Anytime they have that it really elevates the comentating team.

[AnttiL]

Indeed several covered other racing series in the period they were appearing on the WRC. Molly even does or did some racing herself.

The issue is more what's lacking from the core team and that's a permanent presence of someone with world class experience. Anytime they have that it really elevates the comentating team.

Yeah, Seb Marshall is the closest to that from the current team (although not on every event)

[WRCStan]

Maybe they are all freelancers and have sometimes other jobs?

From their POV yes, but not from Producer/Promoter POV. It's odd that a commentator could say something like 'this excellent championship battle will go on to the next round", but they won't be there because whatever at Nurburg is more fun or pays better or whatever.

Not saying it's bad, just not what I'd expect.

[EstWRC]

I think this will be my final year with wrc+. Like some of the guys say here, they have gotten even worse IMO, you should improve with years, not go backwards or stand still

And I don’t mean just the picture broadcasting but the whole package. Can’t stand Kiri at all with her big mouth doing gestures, nobody of them doesn’t even know the basics of rallying apart from Julien. I have said it previously and say again, the whole crew needs a replacement. I would only leave Becs for voice overs and media interviews.

The robotic answers from them if you have a problem with wrc+. The most common one being “did you clear your cache?”

We have had most of the stages on TV3 Sport channels in Estonia since 2021, they only skip like 3-5 stages per rally and those missing stages I have watched from wrc+ and god it’s horrible. Nowadays I’m basically just using it for maps and split.

[mknight]

WRC "allive" had slowly but surely changed from "alllive" to "TV broadcast delivery service".

When it started (especially on that first Monte) you could see everything happening and it felt like really being at the rally (or maybe even better cause you could follow all liasons etc.) At some point they also had live camera in service park when nothing else was happening.

Now everything is cut to necessary minimum. When there is a problem in stage they basically just turn it off and put on a map or worse (car pictures). The trend of turning off stages or not showing any Rally2 cause they "do not fit schedule" has also gotten worse.

[cali]

I'm also quite on the verge of not continuing with wrc+. Woke up around 4am and then watched re-live from morning stages and both stages 2 & 4 were basically unwatchable.


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[Eli]

I'm also quite on the verge of not continuing with wrc+. Woke up around 4am and then watched re-live from morning stages and both stages 2 & 4 were basically unwatchable.


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I think we should all unsubscribe from WRC- next year, maybe if enough people do it they'll at least realize they're doing something wrong, maybe (although I'm doubtful at this point) they'll even replace at least some of their commentators.

[cali]

Yeah, in Estonia TV3 is at least somekind of an option and if I add sports package for about 5€ I will get TV3 Sport and all the sport subchannels so it makes me really weigh in on my options for 2023.

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[Eli]

Yeah, in Estonia TV3 is at least somekind of an option and if I add sports package for about 5€ I will get TV3 Sport and all the sport subchannels so it makes me really weigh in on my options for 2023.

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If I had your option, I’d easily add those €5, it’s even cheaper than what you get monthly for WRC-, and you get an entire sports package.

[Hartusvuori]

I think we should all unsubscribe from WRC- next year, maybe if enough people do it they'll at least realize they're doing something wrong, maybe (although I'm doubtful at this point) they'll even replace at least some of their commentators.

How do you figure unsubscribing would eventually make the product stronger? It'd kill it.

[cali]

If I had your option, I’d easily add those €5, it’s even cheaper than what you get monthly for WRC-, and you get an entire sports package.Double-checked the offers and they have cut TV + Sport package for 10 € and have now TV + Movies + Sports for 15€. Them bastards I say.... Hehe

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[Eli]

How do you figure unsubscribing would eventually make the product stronger? It'd kill it.

If that what it takes for them to come up with something better, then so be it, someone over there needs a serious wake-up call; the situation as it stands can't continue, even 'regular' fans will eventually get fed up with having to deal with their lack of competence each rally. If they're not up to it or can't be bothered with it, they should hand the reigns to someone else, as simple as that, a promoter should promote it's product, not demote it. We have these pretty awesome cars, a lot better than back in 2011 yet they can't seem to capitalize on it.

[Hartusvuori]

If that what it takes for them to come up with something better, then so be it, someone over there needs a serious wake-up call; the situation as it stands can't continue, even 'regular' fans will eventually get fed up with having to deal with their lack of competence each rally. If they're not up to it or can't be bothered with it, they should hand the reigns to someone else, as simple as that, a promoter should promote it's product, not demote it. We have these pretty awesome cars, a lot better than back in 2011 yet they can't seem to capitalize on it.

Do you say every unemployed that it's now your time to rise and shine?

I'm happy with All Live. I think many others are too. Apparently few are not.

I have not watched WRC from C More which would be the other pay stream option in Finland, but as far as I know, it's the same stream, just different commentators. So jumping the ship would solve only one part of what seems to be the issue.

[Eli]

Do you say every unemployed that it's now your time to rise and shine?

I'm happy with All Live. I think many others are too. Apparently few are not.

I have not watched WRC from C More which would be the other pay stream option in Finland, but as far as I know, it's the same stream, just different commentators. So jumping the ship would solve only one part of what seems to be the issue.

No, I'm saying if the FIA truly care about the WRC, they should do a better job alongside the promoter and if the current promoter isn't willing to step up, they should look for other options. It goes without saying, the FIA should also self inspect the way they're handling this sport. Changing the commentators would solve part of the issue and it would be a huge step in the right direction, not every country has that privilege of being a rally nation.

[AnttiL]

When it started (especially on that first Monte) you could see everything happening and it felt like really being at the rally (or maybe even better cause you could follow all liasons etc.)

Wait what fantasy is this? All liaisons? :D

[AnttiL]

I just wanna say that Japan’s stages in dense vegetation are blocking the onboard signal really bad and also probably the reason for no helicopter. No one else could conjure footage from those roads.

Commentators etc. are valid points for discussion though.

[AnttiL]

How do you figure unsubscribing would eventually make the product stronger? It'd kill it.

Well I would guess most of their revenue comes from TV contracts anyway so you guys need to stop watching your local feed so the ratings go down and the channel stops broadcasting WRC :D

[Hartusvuori]

Well I would guess most of their revenue comes from TV contracts anyway so you guys need to stop watching your local feed so the ratings go down and the channel stops broadcasting WRC :D

What I was trying to say was that boycotting some product with an attitude that let them learn and come back better is hardly productive.

[seb_sh]

I can understand the technical limitations due to remote location, weather, vegetation and so on. Overall I'm happy WRC+ exists and will continue to subscribe as i have no (simple/legal) alternative.

There are two main pain points, one is the commentary team, putting PK and Becs together is really bad. In fact I think PK should not do live commentary at all and Becs should be join by a technical expert anytime she's on air. Speaking of technical expert they need someone with recent world class experience there all the time. Why they send Seb Marshall to ask generic questions that the drivers don't even hear i'll never understand.

The second is how they fill the time when there's an issue. Lately we are sometimes not even getting the map just generic pictures of cars. If the feed goes down put up a map and proper split times visualisation plus radio style commentary. It's not hard guys...

[WRCStan]

I think this will be my final year with wrc+. Like some of the guys say here, they have gotten even worse IMO, you should improve with years, not go backwards or stand still

And I don’t mean just the picture broadcasting but the whole package. Can’t stand Kiri at all with her big mouth doing gestures, nobody of them doesn’t even know the basics of rallying apart from Julien. I have said it previously and say again, the whole crew needs a replacement. I would only leave Becs for voice overs and media interviews.

The robotic answers from them if you have a problem with wrc+. The most common one being “did you clear your cache?”

We have had most of the stages on TV3 Sport channels in Estonia since 2021, they only skip like 3-5 stages per rally and those missing stages I have watched from wrc+ and god it’s horrible. Nowadays I’m basically just using it for maps and split.

THIS IS MY FINAL WARNING

5

4

3

2.5

2.2

ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO MAKE ME UNHAPPY?

...

Est, how can the faces and voices piss you off so much when you're basically using it for maps and splits?

If you want to cancel it - do it!

[EstWRC]

If you can’t properly read what I wrote….

I said it’s all things combined but the commentary part is the worst of it

And don’t worry. My subscription will end after this rally anyway

[mknight]

Wait what fantasy is this? All liaisons? :D

On the very first Monte Allive was introduced (Monte 2018) the stream was always on during the first two days.

To the point we could see Ogier browsing on his phone while driving on the road section between stages. If you don't remember and don't believe me go in the Monte thead as there are screens and people screaming how Ogier should be punished for this.
EDiT: Page 128/129 in Monte 2018 thread.

At that time I thought it was great cause you could really feel like you follow everything that is happening all the time, but I understand that the drivers might also want some privacy.
The static live camera in service was ok compensation, but it is ages since we have seen that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe the issue of less coverage from stage ends, liaisons, service park etc is cost-cutting due to the reduced number of subscribers. Fans may either be bored with it, dislike parts of it, moved to other sports or just watching for 'free' as part of a tv package.

The novelty of being all live has worn off for sure and the parts that annoyed now really, really annoy (commentator issues, no pure sound option, picture dropping, poor info/ graphics etc).

WRC+ needs a big refresh to get us all enthused by it again.

[AnttiL]

On the very first Monte Allive was introduced (Monte 2018) the stream was always on during the first two days.

To the point we could see Ogier browsing on his phone while driving on the road section between stages. If you don't remember and don't believe me go in the Monte thead as there are screens and people screaming how Ogier should be punished for this.
EDiT: Page 128/129 in Monte 2018 thread.

At that time I thought it was great cause you could really feel like you follow everything that is happening all the time, but I understand that the drivers might also want some privacy.
The static live camera in service was ok compensation, but it is ages since we have seen that.

Yes I remember that particular scene of Ogier, but it was just a very small bit after a stage finish. Very far from "all liaisons".

[fiscorpun]

I follow the european autocross championship... They dont have promoter. Some of the races I watch by FINDING THE WIFE OR A FRIEND of some driver that is livestreaming it from the stands on facebook or that weird russian site "VK"!

Not ideal, right? So MAYBE wrc+ is not thaaaat bad

[AnttiL]

Maybe the issue of less coverage from stage ends, liaisons, service park etc is cost-cutting due to the reduced number of subscribers. Fans may either be bored with it, dislike parts of it, moved to other sports or just watching for 'free' as part of a tv package.

But even though it's "free" to the user, the TV company is paying to the WRC Promoter, and this must be their biggest revenue.

[mknight]

Yes I remember that particular scene of Ogier, but it was just a very small bit after a stage finish. Very far from "all liaisons".

Nope, it was long after all WRC cars finished the stage and nothing else was happening ( no cars followed) and commentary stopped. I know that cause I went away from the comp.and just left it on only to see the screens later.

This was 2nd proper day of Monte (not counting the evening stages). Already next day they stopped showing any pictures from road sections.
During the first day there weren't many vids from road sections cause allive didn't work at all most of the time.

[AnttiL]

No glitches at all on this stage right now

[rallyfiend]

No glitches at all on this stage right now

Agreed, especially given the heavy tree coverage in many parts of the stage. Quite consistent.

[PLuto]

Agreed, especially given the heavy tree coverage in many parts of the stage. Quite consistent.

Maybe, after experience from yesterday (and whole season), almost nobody watch it :D

[MentalParadox]

I recently discovered they've been double charging me for months and years. I had a yearly subscription that I'd forgotten about, and it still let me create a new monthly subscription with the same email and payment info and happily took my money for months. 800 euro down the drain. My own error I suppose, but why are they allowing subscriptions to stack...?

[flat_right]

I recently discovered they've been double charging me for months and years. I had a yearly subscription that I'd forgotten about, and it still let me create a new monthly subscription with the same email and payment info and happily took my money for months. 800 euro down the drain. My own error I suppose, but why are they allowing subscriptions to stack...?

I think the IT department there is not so bright... I got 2 years for free. There was some glitch through iCloud so I could cancel it but they still showed me WRC+ that time.

But I think you are entitled to ask it back. Just show them your bank records and say that you want this money back or else you will contact some consumer protection agency.

[MentalParadox]

I think the IT department there is not so bright... I got 2 years for free. There was some glitch through iCloud so I could cancel it but they still showed me WRC+ that time.

But I think you are entitled to ask it back. Just show them your bank records and say that you want this money back or else you will contact some consumer protection agency.

Yeah, see, this is where it gets even weirder. I have canceled my subscriptions a few months ago. Both of them, just to be sure I have nothing left on WRC+. They even refunded my yearly subscription. Yet, I could still watch Spain and Japan All-Live with no problems.

Maybe the login will stop working at the end of the year? But doesn't that imply I have an active yearly sub...? Which they refunded? I'm so confused.

[WRCStan]

I recently discovered they've been double charging me for months and years. I had a yearly subscription that I'd forgotten about, and it still let me create a new monthly subscription with the same email and payment info and happily took my money for months. 800 euro down the drain. My own error I suppose, but why are they allowing subscriptions to stack...?

:D

Oh how the other half live.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo6-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/317629414_6254968227865885_3521605675467632039_n.j pg?stp=dst-webp_e15_q70_s1180x1980_tt1_u&efg=eyJ1cmxnZW4iOiJ1cmxnZW5fZnJvbV91cmwifQ&_nc_cid=1009&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo6-2.fna&_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=JIhJCBV0xMYAX-EWgOd&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&oh=00_AfB7KzBAVg2OmJSSND-0DsCWzgh-ZhYzNG0EiNfu3_dPYg&oe=63ACAA11

[Eli]

I just saw the promo for it the other day, I would say it looks promising but if they keep the same lineup then it will be the same lady...you know.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I wonder if this will end the live programming being shown within sports TV packages ? Hopefully not as it's a good sales income for the promoter and for viewers already shelling out enough per month for sport.

[AnttiL]

I wonder if this will end the live programming being shown within sports TV packages ? Hopefully not as it's a good sales income for the promoter and for viewers already shelling out enough per month for sport.

For sure the TV contracts won't be terminated because of this.

[Sulland]

Get back Mads, best commentator so far!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like the main change is adding WorldRX to the WRC/ERC+ package, and at no extra cost. At least that's better value for money.

Also note that it's not launching until mid-2023.

[lmmjvss]

I see WorldRX logo but no EuroRX... Jezzz I HOPE redbull lost them to another promoter. Drivers couldnt even FILM their own cars to post on socia media. Thats so stupid

[Jarek Z]

Is there something wrong with my speakers or is it the most awful video intro in the history of motorsport?
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc-wrcplus/rally-tv-2023/

[wyler]

sounds ok to me, only a bit "late" with the dubstep feeling that was a hit already 10 years ago.

[Sulland]

Has prices been mentioned for this 24/7 thing?

It was 89 euro, for WRC and ERC. what can it become getting in RX as well?

It shall not be very much more before I say no thanks.

[AnttiL]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrcs-new-24-7-channel-to-launch-mid-2023/

Price is not changing. It is 99 euros currently.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiv98JqXoAEttyA?format=jpg&name=medium

[TypeR]

13 rallies could be done with 7x10 monthly passes(70 eur)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dont see the point of the name change to RallyTV if it wont be an actual TV channel, just still an online service...

[Jarek Z]

sounds ok to me, only a bit "late" with the dubstep feeling that was a hit already 10 years ago.

Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely hate this intro. Both video and music.

[wyler]

Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely hate this intro. Both video and music.

boomer! :D

( no offense intended ofc)

[Jarek Z]

boomer! :D

Maybe :)

I prefer something like this, where I can actually see something without a danger of epilepsy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6dSKU_LskI

[wyler]

Maybe :)

I prefer something like this, where I can actually see something without a danger of epilepsy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6dSKU_LskI

honestly, skipped at 6...

[ouvreur]

I don't see the point of combining rallycross with WRC and ERC. I won't watch it, why should I be paying for it?

I only want 2/3 of what they're offering. Therefore, I'll probably go for the 7x monthly pass option instead of the annual subscription I've had since it was launched.

It's worse the other way round though. If you only want to watch rallycross, why should you have to pay for a service mostly showing something you aren't bothered about?

This feels like a mistake.

[AndersX]

I am not convinced, unfortunately. Following wrc since late 90th, seen all the struggles and success with getting content more visible in media etc; but today, when I watch WRC+, there is some feeling of "broken LP player"; idea is good, but it has become boring - all the interviews are the same, contextual packaging repeats again, again and again - like new Groundhog Phil day over and over again. And this is not about people, but production and variety of the content. For comparison F1 TV feels "more live" and that you get more for the same money. Of course, i will have the new Rally TV, but I would really hope they will hire some new blood that can figure out how to pack it all in more attractive way.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I couldn't agree more Anders. It has become pretty stale even for us hardcore fans and I hope they take the 'RallyTV' launch as an opportunity for a big overhaul.

[Franky]

Most likely it's just repackaging the same stuff, nothing else.

[typhoon]

I just don't understand why they're "repacking", like Franky correctly said, a product which is expensive for a "niche" sport, instead of lowering their requests for TV rights. They ask a lot of money for a bunch of stages on pay-TV, satellite broadcasters.

It's ok to work and develop a digital platform for online contents, I'm fine with it. But they should work on get as much as FTA channels to showcase the WRC to a wider audience, they need to be more aggressive in this market.

My idea would be more straightforward on this point:
- 2 stages pack (one on Saturday afternoon and the Power Stage on Sunday, basically like what they did with Red Bull TV in the past) on free-to-air big channels, involving them with very cheap TV rights to be more attractive.
- 7 stages pack (1 Thursday, 2 Fri, 2 Sat, 2 Sun) for the pay-tv which has now the world feed stages.
- All Live for selected broadcasters (Cosmote, BT Sport, Canal+, etc.)

They would get a much wider exposure and have benefits on both the WRC Promoter (this would mean more global partners jumping in) and the teams (more title sponsors getting a better value-for-money exposure).

[WRCStan]

I just don't understand why they're "repacking", like Franky correctly said, a product which is expensive for a "niche" sport, instead of lowering their requests for TV rights. They ask a lot of money for a bunch of stages on pay-TV, satellite broadcasters.

It's ok to work and develop a digital platform for online contents, I'm fine with it. But they should work on get as much as FTA channels to showcase the WRC to a wider audience, they need to be more aggressive in this market.

My idea would be more straightforward on this point:
- 2 stages pack (one on Saturday afternoon and the Power Stage on Sunday, basically like what they did with Red Bull TV in the past) on free-to-air big channels, involving them with very cheap TV rights to be more attractive.
- 7 stages pack (1 Thursday, 2 Fri, 2 Sat, 2 Sun) for the pay-tv which has now the world feed stages.
- All Live for selected broadcasters (Cosmote, BT Sport, Canal+, etc.)

They would get a much wider exposure and have benefits on both the WRC Promoter (this would mean more global partners jumping in) and the teams (more title sponsors getting a better value-for-money exposure).

I can see you're a forum member since 2006, so can assume you are an adult.

Monday morning, you tell your boss/customers you will work for free from now on if that's how the world works.

[AnttiL]

My idea would be more straightforward on this point:
- 2 stages pack (one on Saturday afternoon and the Power Stage on Sunday, basically like what they did with Red Bull TV in the past) on free-to-air big channels, involving them with very cheap TV rights to be more attractive.
- 7 stages pack (1 Thursday, 2 Fri, 2 Sat, 2 Sun) for the pay-tv which has now the world feed stages.
- All Live for selected broadcasters (Cosmote, BT Sport, Canal+, etc.)

Isn't this what they do right now? In Finland we had YLE doing the "TV stages and highlights" package, CMore with All Live and I've heard some Estonian TV Company has provided a package with "some All live stages but not all"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Speaking for the UK, there is no FTA sports show for general sport like we had in the past (eg. Grandstand, World of Sport). Any live sport has to be a standalone programme which is on for 2-3 hours or more (ie. some football games, rugby, tennis, boxing bills).

A single daily stage of a WRC rally wouldnt be long enough and wouldnt tell any story for the average viewer. And TBH any serious sports fan has long switched to pay-TV like Sky & BT anyway.

[raffrantic]

hope get on board Ingrassia, an excellent commentator.

[typhoon]

Isn't this what they do right now? In Finland we had YLE doing the "TV stages and highlights" package, CMore with All Live and I've heard some Estonian TV Company has provided a package with "some All live stages but not all"

The point is that they need to make the WRC popular to the average Joe on TV. In Italy, for example, they're getting 100k viewers on subscription-based Sky Sports, but they have to get at least 1 million viewers to have the sponsors interested in putting some good money on the sport. So go on free-to-air RAI Sport, which got 500k viewers when the WRC was shown live. Selling highlights to be shown at 11pm won't make the sport popular and the whole won't get any benefit on the long term.

What I wanna say is that, being a big company, I won't be interested in putting 30 million euros to be a title sponsor in a WRC team if I know that my brand will be seen by "few" people on a satellite channel. And this is the case for many key countries.

[AndyRAC]

The point is that they need to make the WRC popular to the average Joe on TV. In Italy, for example, they're getting 100k viewers on subscription-based Sky Sports, but they have to get at least 1 million viewers to have the sponsors interested in putting some good money on the sport. So go on free-to-air RAI Sport, which got 500k viewers when the WRC was shown live. Selling highlights to be shown at 11pm won't make the sport popular and the whole won't get any benefit on the long term.

What I wanna say is that, being a big company, I won't be interested in putting 30 million euros to be a title sponsor in a WRC team if I know that my brand will be seen by "few" people on a satellite channel. And this is the case for many key countries.

Yes that's what is needed.....However, their business model is Pay Per View. And nothing will change.......So no new big money sponsors or new manufacturers....They go elsewhere.....

[wyler]

point is: they don't have enough money to do a high level general public tv show. that's it.

[AnttiL]

The point is that they need to make the WRC popular to the average Joe on TV. In Italy, for example, they're getting 100k viewers on subscription-based Sky Sports, but they have to get at least 1 million viewers to have the sponsors interested in putting some good money on the sport. So go on free-to-air RAI Sport, which got 500k viewers when the WRC was shown live. Selling highlights to be shown at 11pm won't make the sport popular and the whole won't get any benefit on the long term.

What I wanna say is that, being a big company, I won't be interested in putting 30 million euros to be a title sponsor in a WRC team if I know that my brand will be seen by "few" people on a satellite channel. And this is the case for many key countries.

How should WRC promoter do this in practice? Lower the prices so TV companies would start showing more rally? What if TV companies still don't want to show rally, even if it was free?

[AnttiL]

Yes that's what is needed.....However, their business model is Pay Per View.

Really? Where can I pay to watch a single rally broadcast? All I've seen is monthly subscriptions, either directly to WRC+ or some TV company

[WRCStan]

What if TV companies still don't want to show rally, even if it was free?

Free-to-air broadcasters might only take whatever if they can sell whatever to advertisers, the players that are missing in the first instance.

[Eli]

I have yet to cancel the WRC+ subscription yet 5 minutes ago I received this e-mail: "We're sorry to say goodbye

As you requested, we've cancelled your RallyTV Subscription. This change will be effective on 2023-Jan-1 14:00:10 UTC.

Thanks for being part of the world’s toughest motorsport!

If you change your mind and you would like to continue enjoying all WRC, ERC and World RX content, you can always re-activate your RallyTV subscription by clicking on the button below, choose your new plan and log-in or sign up."

I did intend to cancel the subscription I just find it odd that it's been done without my request, has anyone else experienced this?

[seb_sh]

It's due to their transition to "Rally TV". You probably have some email about migrating your account in your spam folder or maybe they just screwed up. I was asked to migrate even though "Rally TV" is still some time away. I suspect there is an incompetent mouth-breathing middle manager involved. In 2022 this is pathetic, i am embarrassed for them even if i had nothing to do with it.

[rallyfiend]

I suspect they can't legally automatically transfer you from one product to another without an opt-in.

There are laws you know. Not everything is down to stupidity....

[seb_sh]

Are there laws and they needed to jump through hoops? 100%

Are there incompetent middle managers involved in WRC+? 1000%

[rallyfiend]

Are there laws and they needed to jump through hoops? 100%

Are there incompetent middle managers involved in WRC+? 1000%

You know, it is a subscription service. You can always just leave it.....

[Eli]

You know, it is a subscription service. You can always just leave it.....

I did intend to do so, it was just really weird that it was done for me without my knowledge.

[SubaruNorway]

Transfere mail had this title, had to mark WRC as safe as most of their mails ended up in spam
"ACTION NEEDED: RallyTV subscription transfer"

[seb_sh]

You know, it is a subscription service. You can always just leave it.....

Good Advertisement for the service you make they should hire you.

[ZoomanSP206]

I have yet to cancel the WRC+ subscription yet 5 minutes ago I received this e-mail: "We're sorry to say goodbye

As you requested, we've cancelled your RallyTV Subscription. This change will be effective on 2023-Jan-1 14:00:10 UTC.

Thanks for being part of the world’s toughest motorsport!

If you change your mind and you would like to continue enjoying all WRC, ERC and World RX content, you can always re-activate your RallyTV subscription by clicking on the button below, choose your new plan and log-in or sign up."

I did intend to cancel the subscription I just find it odd that it's been done without my request, has anyone else experienced this?

I upgraded to RallyTV on Wednesday, and on Thursday I received the same email that I had cancelled my RallyTV subscription. I had a WRC+ season pass for the 2022 season.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT Sport confirms their UK WRC coverage continues in 2023:

British rally fans can continue to follow the fortunes of their heroes in the all-action WRC on next year, extending our partnership with the sport that began in 2014.

Since then, we have tracked the rise of young British drivers like Elfyn Evans and Gus Greensmith to become established stars of the line-up.

Ahead of another jam-packed season, we’ll bring you live coverage of every stage as the season begins in earnest on 19 January in Monte-Carlo, with Kalle Rovanpera looking to defend his title.

[wwbroe]

Anyone else having problems to prolonge his wrc+ abonnement. It doesn't seem to work for me.

[Andre Oliveira]

People of RallyTV (ex WRC+). Here is my calculation of the annual subscription (99.99€) vs monthly. I think it's worth betting on the monthly ticket as we saved €12.07 or €23.06 if we exclude Japan, which is an unfavorable time for most of us. The * are those that we have to throw away one day (I recommend the first day which is usually a shakedown).

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[lmmjvss]

Hmmm interesting. Especially nowadays, where the currency here in south america is generally like...
+100 to each Euro haha. Dammit.
I remember a few years ago when I used to pay for the app to watch an american short course super truck championship, which I eventually had to start planning like you did there. In the last year, I simply avoided the spoilers from the championship and signed only for ONE MONTH, where I watched all the 10 rounds during the weeks, leading to the last one where I watched live haha. Hard time$ =P

[Fast Eddie WRC]

'DirtFish Live Center' announced...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/new-look-to-dirtfish-wrc-weekends/

[bwallace]

Usually the shakedown they broadcasting at facebook for free :D so it's nice count that really with who want to save money :D

[Betou]

Hi Guys , Anyone should help me please, I can't finalise my WRC+ subscription payment (per months) . It's always failure. I tried to paid with different method and card ,even paypal but nothing.

[Oliverk]

It has never worked. Paying has always been a hassle. Play store option worked last time i tried. So try to pay through Android Play Store app. Or If Iphone mby through istore, that i don't know.

[doubled1978]

Do WRC+ have the stages available to watch after they were live? I am out tonight so will miss the two stages, but can I come home and re-watch later?
I have this since the start, but never tried to watch a stage after it was live…

[seb_sh]

Do WRC+ have the stages available to watch after they were live? I am out tonight so will miss the two stages, but can I come home and re-watch later?
I have this since the start, but never tried to watch a stage after it was live…

Yes you can i do that sometimes when I can't watch the rally live.

[Rallyest]

It has never worked. Paying has always been a hassle. Play store option worked last time i tried. So try to pay through Android Play Store app. Or If Iphone mby through istore, that i don't know.


With Iphone it is the easiest to pay with apple pay, never had any issues

[doubled1978]

Yes you can i do that sometimes when I can't watch the rally live.

Great, thanks…

[AnttiL]

Do WRC+ have the stages available to watch after they were live? I am out tonight so will miss the two stages, but can I come home and re-watch later?
I have this since the start, but never tried to watch a stage after it was live…

I do this all the time. It's just tricky to get the stream started without seeing the results in advance

[AndersX]

In the meantime no upgrades or changes in WRC+ broadcast. Same as the last year - Becs plus Guest. Also graphics the same. I was hoping for some new format or look with intention to make Rally TV more exiting as it was before it become TV. Lets see during the weekend, may be they can provide smth new.

[AnttiL]

In the meantime no upgrades or changes in WRC+ broadcast. Same as the last year - Becs plus Guest. Also graphics the same. I was hoping for some new format or look with intention to make Rally TV more exiting as it was before it become TV. Lets see during the weekend, may be they can provide smth new.

I thought that Rally TV is not launched yet.

[Eli]

I thought that Rally TV is not launched yet.

It's only in May(?) I think, I don't recall who mentioned it though.

[AndersX]

I thought that Rally TV is not launched yet.

Aha, but in my payment details stays this: Title: RallyTV Subscription

[MentalParadox]

Aaaaaand WRC+ somehow managed to miss the start of the championship. First image from the stage already 3 minutes in. Facepalm

[AnttiL]

Aaaaaand WRC+ somehow managed to miss the start of the championship. First image from the stage already 3 minutes in. Facepalm

They forgot TV stages start this year 3min earlier? Or this was intentional?

[NOT]

wrc+ is for free on the internet...

at least the broadcast of every rally (not the onboards or the extras) no need to pay for something that you do not like and complain...

[omaviga]

For fucks sake....

[jcevc]

Not working at all for me on SS2.

[MYS]

Got no words….bunch of wankers this wrc+ team!!!

[AndersX]

I got mad - my app crashed and live stopped exactly in the moment when Neuville gone off; I switched to the local on-demand TV app in swe that has live from each stage....and commentators are more "live" and fresh. Disappointed for WRC+.

[rp]

Was forced to continue WRC+ activication after all, because Cmore in Finland is keen to show their studio´s expert talking when there is still WRC2 coming. Also fed up with their "experts" knowledge. It´s just not enough and mistakes all the time.

Sometimes it´s good to have Cmore also, because WRC+ might be down, when others are still working.

[lmmjvss]

Does RedBull (promoter) have somehing to do with WRC+/RallyTV?

[Eli]

I haven't heard Paul King's voice in the commentary team today and he doesn't appear to be in the daily highlights anymore, was he kicked out of the team? or is he simply ill and couldn't make the trip to Monaco?

[J4MIE]

Oh, not sure how we will cope without PK…

[Eli]

Oh, not sure how we will cope without PK…

Just asking, didn't say it was a bad thing.

[AnttiL]

I haven't heard Paul King's voice in the commentary team today and he doesn't appear to be in the daily highlights anymore, was he kicked out of the team? or is he simply ill and couldn't make the trip to Monaco?

The team rotates all the time. Desborough is voicing the highlights. It could be different in the next rally.

[Katvala]

I just unsubscribed from wrc+. I have been watching all the rallies since all live started, and wrc+ & radio before this. The reason is because of spoilers

I rarely get time to watch live as I am often busy during weekends. This was fine, because I'd just avoid spoilers and catch up stage by stage days or even a week later. It was easy to navigate to the all live section without getting spoiled and still is. The problem is that since some time last year, they started putting "WINNER: xxxx" In the live section. Actually, on phone, this is displayed BETWEEN stsge selection and the player.

When I know who is winning, I lose all interest In watching. I have gotten many rallies spoiled this way..

I have sent an email asking for change In this. Perhaps if more people ask, it will help

Mail to wrc: support@service-plus.wrc.com

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

[AndyRAC]

Does RedBull (promoter) have somehing to do with WRC+/RallyTV?

Officially yes; but I doubt they have much influence. The coverage is nothing like other RBTV products.......In fact, the coverage is very much like the North One era.....bland, unimaginative, etc

[lmmjvss]

When I know who is winning, I lose all interest In watching. I have gotten many rallies spoiled this way..

I have sent an email asking for change In this. Perhaps if more people ask, it will help

Mail to wrc: support@service-plus.wrc.com

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk


"We are very much interested in steadily improving our service. However, the suggested spoiler-free feature is not planned yet"

[Katvala]

"We are very much interested in steadily improving our service. However, the suggested spoiler-free feature is not planned yet"Did you get this as reply?

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

[Franky]

Have they done some improvements based on the user suggestions? Ok, there was the non-commentary audio track, which isn't available any more I guess. Tho I can't understand why as it isn't exactly more work for anyone, because that audio track is available for TV channels.

[AnttiL]

I believe they are re-doing the whole website. I was asked for user feedback last year. Maybe the new frontend comes along the rally.tv launch in a few months?

[EstWRC]

Any new hosts or was everything the same during Monte like previous years?

[Eli]

Any new hosts or was everything the same during Monte like previous years?

The same hosts minus Paul King and Jon Desborough was only voice-overing the highlights.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Have they done some improvements based on the user suggestions? Ok, there was the non-commentary audio track, which isn't available any more I guess. Tho I can't understand why as it isn't exactly more work for anyone, because that audio track is available for TV channels.

So annoying that they dropped the pure sound option after allowing it. This means they have lost my subscription for one, and I now watch on my BT Sport package (and spend half the time with no sound to concentrate on the action without the constant chat).

[ZoomanSP206]

"We are very much interested in steadily improving our service. However, the suggested spoiler-free feature is not planned yet"

Did you get this as reply?
In 2020, I already asked for this change, and received the following reply:

"We are grateful for your feedback regarding our new interface that we can ensure the best possible service is provided. We are continuously working hard to upgrade it as soon as possible. The necessary departments are concerned regarding the issue and it will be solved. You can be able to enjoy all the demanding features in the near future."

Sounded promising, but also like a automated standard reply (which demanding features?). I asked again in 2022, and received a similar reply as lmmjvss:

"We are very much interested in steadily improving our service. However, the suggested spoiler-free feature is not planned yet. We will forward your suggestion to the responsible departement and discuss it internally."

I think at this point the only hope is for the new RallyTV interface...

[AnttiL]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/comprehensive-new-highlights-programme-shines-spotlight-on-wrc2-stars/

[Duvel]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/comprehensive-new-highlights-programme-shines-spotlight-on-wrc2-stars/

Thats some nice news! Can only help getting the wrc2 championship even stronger!

[bomber21]

At last they are doing the obvious things! Very good news!!

[AnttiL]

There's already the Monte WRC2 highlights. It's actually quite nice to watch, even though it's just Desborough but he seems to appear less "funny" than usually.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/comprehensive-new-highlights-programme-shines-spotlight-on-wrc2-stars/

Should this highlights package also appear on the TV channels that show the WRC+ stream and normal highlights ?

[AnttiL]

Should this highlights package also appear on the TV channels that show the WRC+ stream and normal highlights ?

I assume they can show it but are not obliged to show it

[wyler]

Should this highlights package also appear on the TV channels that show the WRC+ stream and normal highlights ?

i guess it depends on the interests of each tv...maybe tv in nation with competitors could have good return...

[PLuto]

Should this highlights package also appear on the TV channels that show the WRC+ stream and normal highlights ?

Priority is to have a material for Rally TV. That is the main reason why they have started with this programme.

[SubaruNorway]

Now I'm completely unable to use chrome cast without 5sec sound delay from Android, from Mac just restarts on Thursday of MC as usual. Before i could restart it.

[Andre Oliveira]

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[DoN_cz]

Does the onboards section work for anyone? https://www.wrc.com/en/wrcplus/onboards/ it just shows me the teaser image "START NOW" as if I weren't logged in (which I am).

[AnttiL]

Does the onboards section work for anyone? https://www.wrc.com/en/wrcplus/onboards/ it just shows me the teaser image "START NOW" as if I weren't logged in (which I am).

Same here, doesn't work for me

[Paul Hudson]

No Onboards here either, but Rally TV , Is working.

[DoN_cz]

I wanted to watch some onboards as preparation for Sardegna 2023, so that can wait... but I'm sure theres quite a few people who would like to prepare for Rally Sweden and now they can't... the quality is amazing.

EDIT: heres a reply I got from them:

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

We have already recognized the problem and at the moment we are working hard to solve it as soon as possible.

We apologize for any inconvenience and would like to ask you to retry later. Thank you!

[seb_sh]

And we have 2 LIN on the display for WRC2. Come on how can you be so unprepared.

[KKS]

And we have 2 LIN on the display for WRC2. Come on how can you be so unprepared.

LNM now... fixed

[AnttiL]

Great location for external camera on Sweden SS3, showing some close calls

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great location for external camera on Sweden SS3

Definitely ! This is the biggest improvement WRC+ live coverage can make to putting across the real speed and skill of the sport.

[the sniper]

Anyone notice the quick edit when they showed the replay of Lappi's moment on SS6? They managed quickly cut out how close he got to the marshal when he went down the run off at the junction... The WRC TV team are more efficient than the Soviet Union at editing things out of existence.

[seb_sh]

Overall better coverage this rally: more WRC2 and more interesting things between stages. still room for improvement, especially in the commentary team.

[seb_sh]

I like the picture in picture map, more of that please :) Would be nice to have the split positions on it as well.

[AnttiL]

Overall better coverage this rally: more WRC2 and more interesting things between stages. still room for improvement, especially in the commentary team.

Less Rally1 cars -> more WRC2

[Doon]

I took out a subscription on Thursday evening to watch SS1. The money came off my card, but the website and app stated that there was no active subscription. Ended up watching RAC 1993 day 1. Was really entertaining, almost certainly better that watching WRC+ anyway.

[AnttiL]

Paul King used my blog for his stage description of SS9/12. Especially on SS9 it was almost word for word same. I'm kinda flattered, but I'd like to get a compensation or mention if this becomes a habit...

[seb_sh]

Paul King used my blog for his stage description of SS9/12. Especially on SS9 it was almost word for word same. I'm kinda flattered, but I'd like to get a compensation or mention if this becomes a habit...

Not to be mean but he's a bit clueless unless he reads from a prompter when doing the voiceovers. He's a terrible live commentator and always appears unsure what to say. I hope he stops stealing or makes some deal for your work.

[dupanton]

Nice to see the drivers work on the roadsection and the JWRC highlights between the stages. Nice improvements to the broadcast.

[Galev62]

Nice to see the drivers work on the roadsection and the JWRC highlights between the stages. Nice improvements to the broadcast.

Next step could be in my opinion to have a few camera production of rest of the rally 2 field and all wrc3/juniorwrc. Same type of production like Finnish rally Championship this season but streamed to wrc+ and local streamers like Cmore in Finland. After the Heli and Airplane leaves the stage they should make option for you to choose if you want to watch the rest of the stage before or go to the next stage. I think this would improve wrc+ a lot.

[dupanton]

They need the airplane to transmit the images, so that's not an option...

[denkimi]

They also set up temporary network towers and use the 5g to stream every car live.

[fiscorpun]

FIrst time watching the *26min WRC2 coverage highlights from WRC+.... and it was so fun! It reminds me the eurosport ERC highlights, where they would show everything in 26 or 45 min highlights. Way less confusing than three 22min highlights from each day. I know its LESS RALLYING for us, rally fans but it looks IDEAL for casual or non-hardcore rallying fans. For real, PERFECT format. They presented the cars, the brands, they talk to some drivers, then they show the crucial parts of the rally and thats it. PERFECT! They should have those on youtube for free or something like that, IDK. Excellent job. Do that for the top class too! It will help

[AnttiL]

FIrst time watching the *26min WRC2 coverage highlights from WRC+.... and it was so fun! It reminds me the eurosport ERC highlights, where they would show everything in 26 or 45 min highlights. Way less confusing than three 22min highlights from each day. I know its LESS RALLYING for us, rally fans but it looks IDEAL for casual or non-hardcore rallying fans. For real, PERFECT format. They presented the cars, the brands, they talk to some drivers, then they show the crucial parts of the rally and thats it. PERFECT! They should have those on youtube for free or something like that, IDK. Excellent job. Do that for the top class too! It will help

WRC+ has, and has had for years, whole rally highlights for top class, 51 minutes length.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone seen the WRC2 Highlights package on a TV channel that shows the regular WRC coverage ? Nothing so far on BT Sport in the UK.

[seb_sh]

So about this rally tv. I had a look and it's like an old style tv channel with a schedule. They run stuff from their library that you can already access on demand. I suppose when there's WRC, ERC or WRX they will show that live. What exactly is the point in making this 24h live channel? it's 2023 there are so many ways to stream content, live or on demand. Who is going to put on a "Rally TV Channel" and watch some random rally review or documentary that they can access on demand anyway?

[fiscorpun]

Just finished the 26min WRC2 highlights from Sweden... Ahhh, brilliant! I think Oliver Solberg is such a character. He is veeery marketable. They can build the story of the rally around him .... i dont know why, but it was really good!
As I said, it reminded me ERC 2020 when he was fighting Lukyanuk. This is so fun to watch! WRC2 makes me feel more "light"... I dont even remember that we cannot stop stressing about WHAT WRC SHOULD DO TO GROW AND REACH MORE FANS.. haha screw that, just give us good stories in WRC2 and its all fine. So cool

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Its gonna be sad if the only ones who can watch the the WRC2 Highlights package are RallyTV subscribers ie. hardcore fans. These drivers are the guys who need the extra coverage available to all to attract sponsors.

[SubaruNorway]

I guess the Rally TV is good if you want something running in the background at a museum or a shop, but not really that useful

[Franky]

I guess the Rally TV is good if you want something running in the background at a museum or a shop, but not really that useful

I wouldn't be surprised, if they'll be trying to sell the channel to operators around the world. Then the thing would make sense.

[erikli2]

Great camera angle in Martins Sesks car from Rally Fafe, hope we can see more of that in WRC as well

[AnttiL]

Mike Chen commentating, big thumbs up!

[J4MIE]

Commentating was crap last night.

“Oh he looks really slow, loads of understeer he’s just losing loads of time…… oh he’s just gone fastest” :rolleyes:

[Paul Hudson]

Where is Julian Porter ?

[SubaruNorway]

What is this beeping noise on the Hyundai, extra hybrid fan?

[Eli]

What is this beeping noise on the Hyundai, extra hybrid fan?

Don’t know but it’s annoying as hell.

[Eli]

Did anyone notice Colin Clark back as a stage end commentator? Is he strictly there for this rally or are we seeing a slow take-over of dirtfish on WRC+?

[satnav]

Colin Clark now back doing stage ends as well......

[satnav]

Did anyone notice Colin Clark back as a stage end commentator? Is he strictly there for this rally or are we seeing a slow take-over of dirtfish on WRC+?

There's a few odd things going on this weekend