WRC mainclass from 2027

[Humber]

Could the 2027 WRC end up like 1981. Rothmans turning up with a determined driver (Vatanen), a proven car (the Escort Mk2) and sufficient sponsorship to do enough rounds.

What could 2027 be like? Determined driver (with a private non-manufacturer sponsor) turns up with a proven Rally2 and takes enough points to win the driver's title?

2027 - Hyundai pulls out, Toyota drivers with less powerful cars at the front lose time at gravel rallies, which lets others through on the leaderboard.

[wyler]

What if they have to 'do wrc' in order to sell 'WRC2027'? It's been like this for 30 years.

what u mean? lots of rally2/3/4 car manufacturers don't do wrc, they just sell to clients.

[WRCStan]

what u mean? lots of rally2/3/4 car manufacturers don't do wrc, they just sell to clients.

True lower down, but a manuf couldn't homologate a World Rally Car or Rally1 without also entering the manufs championship. That got some manufs doing a season or two just for the paper stamp, Skoda, Suzuki, Mini...

WRC+ 2017- on took it further; privateers could only enter their own purchases through the corresponding manuf doing a full season.

When the car is called 'WRC2027' why wouldn't they protect the championship in a similar way? Say to a manuf, if they want to profit from the industry, they have to pay the dues.

[wyler]

True lower down, but a manuf couldn't homologate a World Rally Car or Rally1 without also entering the manufs championship. That got some manufs doing a season or two just for the paper stamp, Skoda, Suzuki, Mini...

WRC+ 2017- on took it further; privateers could only enter their own purchases through the corresponding manuf doing a full season.

When the car is called 'WRC2027' why wouldn't they protect the championship in a similar way? Say to a manuf, if they want to profit from the industry, they have to pay the dues.

i know, and that's why i said that, 'cause the business is not in the top tier championship now...

manufacturers that only want a client service will stay with a "r5/rally2" business model, won't do wrc (aka top tier championship) and will sell car that can profit even with a cost cap of 350/400k. manufactures with aim in the championship (toyota, some tuners, maybe hiunday, m-sport?) will develop wrc27 car for the championship using more money than the cost cap, and probably not sell much of that (can a tuner other than m-sport support a 100+ piece business for selling? doubt it). toyota and hiunday will stay with current model, "rally2" for sale, "wrc" for top championship.

[WRCStan]

If the FIA want to shoot themselves in the foot then that is a good set up, but there's a pickle in your point. I get what you're saying about business models but Rally2 is going, to be replaced by 'WRC2027'. Nobody is buying Toyota and Hyundai Rally2s in 2033, because Rally2 won't exist. Where do those customers take their business? It's into this ultimately universal affordable car that'll go into all the championships. Possibly too, the same homologation could cover detunings and two wheel drives to replace Rallys3/4/5. Who knows, no reason why not. It's also possible to have a higher tuned WRC2027+ for WRC too, however it's not important now.

What is important, is they haven't got either the willing manufacturers or willing promoter who choose to go around the world doing 14 rounds; thus we're in this thread talking about a necessary new car for WRC.

Give them a reward for doing the WRC championship: homologation for a universal affordable rally car. Also give them a device to secure proper, business-like, investment from proper business-like funding sources: profit through that homologation. What flaw am I not seeing?

Do you just sit back and hope somebody will want to do WRC, then sit back again and hope that they can get 'sponsors' to pay for it? Meanwhile, allowing businesses to profit off your industry, selling thousands of cars and drives, snatching customers from those willing teams doing your WRC championship? OK.

[wyler]

If the FIA want to shoot themselves in the foot then that is a good set up, but there's a pickle in your point. I get what you're saying about business models but Rally2 is going, to be replaced by 'WRC2027'. Nobody is buying Toyota and Hyundai Rally2s in 2033, because Rally2 won't exist. Where do those customers take their business? It's into this ultimately universal affordable car that'll go into all the championships. Possibly too, the same homologation could cover detunings and two wheel drives to replace Rallys3/4/5. Who knows, no reason why not. It's also possible to have a higher tuned WRC2027+ for WRC too, however it's not important now.

What is important, is they haven't got either the willing manufacturers or willing promoter who choose to go around the world doing 14 rounds; thus we're in this thread talking about a necessary new car for WRC.

Give them a reward for doing the WRC championship: homologation for a universal affordable rally car. Also give them a device to secure proper, business-like, investment from proper business-like funding sources: profit through that homologation. What flaw am I not seeing?

Do you just sit back and hope somebody will want to do WRC, then sit back again and hope that they can get 'sponsors' to pay for it? Meanwhile, allowing businesses to profit off your industry, selling thousands of cars and drives, snatching customers from those willing teams doing your WRC championship? OK.

i see just this flaw:
why manufacturers like skoda, stellantis, renault, even m-sport would give up a "flat" market like rally2 to chase the biggest manu (toyota) in competition?

the reason r5/rally2 are so successfull is because there's no manus championship there. they're not top notch competition, and brand can sell a lot -or enough- just being in the mix. it's ok to deliver a product that can win some race to clients, whitout having an official team to prove it winning championships. it just works. even old m-sport fiesta is still in the mix in erc... rally3 is the same. rally4 as well.

add a committed manu (aka toyota) for the overall win, and this levelled field will blow up. they will use all the money they have anyway. if it's not the car itself, will be test or development or communication or engineers -whatever, they ll use the money to win-. tuners like m-sport will lag behind just as now, and the privateers that now share the car market will move toward the best car and leave the others behind.
when skoda was offical team in wrc2 they dominated the market, and fabia is still the best selling car years after. yaris is rising because is made by the top manufacturer, i20 is nowhere near in term of numbers. m-sport and stellantis faded in numbers. just look at the entries everywhere.

as for top tier, i don't think a cost cap will erase this money difference. it will make it easier to enter, but will not level the field. and if you change the regulation focus from selling to winning, the market can collapse, as selling will not be that much of a reward as u think in the top tier.

i see more a top tier for officials with 3/4 manus or tuners and a second tier of client manufacturers. if u force the client one to compete on top, i fear u may lose some (skoda - reanult) on marketing/pr roi as bad results publicity will be worse than losing the client sales.