2025 WRC News & Rumours

[denkimi]

There's two sides to homologation, one being the mass production numbers. If you didn't have that, how and where would you draw the line if the motorsport industry turns up with a road legal cross cart (buggy)? Or even a sofa, to drill the point? Would you be expecting the industry to build something in the image of a touring car, even though it will never really be one, and with a design that will never be sent to production because that isn't the 'constructor's' business? The FIA would not stand to have a manufacturer's design being modified without the approval and involvement of that manufacturer.

And don't forget that rallying is a touring road sport. Rallycross is circuit racing.

Why are there no cross carts or sofa's in f1?

Just make a good set or rules about what is allowed and let everyone who has the means to build a car do that.

[TypeR]

Evand and Neuville both race in ERC 1st round in Spain - Rally Sierra Morena

[106 sport]

Evand and Neuville both race in ERC 1st round in Spain - Rally Sierra Morena

"The event will provide the title contenders with a chance to directly compare pace. However, the main objective of the test event is to fine-tune Rally1 car setups ahead of the next WRC round, which will be held on the tarmac roads of Gran Canaria at the end of April"
https://rallyjournal.com/toyotas-ans...ext-wrc-round/

[WRCStan]

Why are there no cross carts or sofa's in f1?

Just make a good set or rules about what is allowed and let everyone who has the means to build a car do that.

That was the question; what are the rules if you'd like a good set that deviates from the heritage of rally and the need for manufacturers and homologation? Would you want or not want cross carts, sofas or whatever else can be made in a shed?

[skarderud]

Quite far-fetched to think rally going to be running sofas if we stop the need for manufacturers homologation.

How can a safety cell based car with Rally2 technology end up as a sofa?

Every tuner buy that cell, engine, geometry etc is "free", no expensive materials, need a brand in front maybe, some extra aerodynamics, voila you have the new Rally1car. The cell has a worldwide certification so you can use it on normal roads as an purposebuild rallycar.

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[WRCStan]

Quite far-fetched to think rally going to be running sofas if we stop the need for manufacturers homologation.

How can a safety cell based car with Rally2 technology end up as a sofa?

Every tuner buy that cell, engine, geometry etc is "free", no expensive materials, need a brand in front maybe, some extra aerodynamics, voila you have the new Rally1car. The cell has a worldwide certification so you can use it on normal roads as an purposebuild rallycar.

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I'm not sure to what extent you mean "Rally2 technology" beyond power train; but if you want either a production touring car chassis or a "brand upfront" (ie current Rally1 lookalikes); you should still expect manufacturers and a homologation process, no?

A safety cell is not a chassis, so everything you've described so far could still be a buggy - no body panels, no windscreen etc, maybe something like this. If that's what you propose, fine, I'm just trying to understand your POV.

[skarderud]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.

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[saco0o]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.

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you mean like, these teams being able to choose ANY brand they want (like, I want to Run a 80's LADA) or you are talking about a "generic" car not related to any brand?
like this hatchback https://omse.se/vehicles/fc2
or this SUV https://omse.se/vehicles/fc1

[WRCStan]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.

This is where I could say that a buggy, or that sofa, is a car, but I think I get your point. The main point...

you mean like, these teams being able to choose ANY brand they want (like, I want to Run a 80's LADA) or you are talking about a "generic" car not related to any brand?
like this hatchback https://omse.se/vehicles/fc2
or this SUV https://omse.se/vehicles/fc1

I can't ever see the FIA allowing modifying cars of a brand, imitating a brand's car, or using a brand on an independent car design, without that manufacturer being involved. What you linked to here would be a lot more likely. Although, it would have to be zero manufacturers involved for the private tuner bespoke designs to be allowed in 2027. They're keeping options open now but business would get in the way of competition, as it always has.

[Steve Boyd]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.

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Didn't they try something very like this with the Oreca R4 Kit?