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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    Ferrari having the highest top speed in the straight speed traps does not equal fastest car. That is only one single parameter and a very simplistic view.
    Mercedes had advantages in other key areas such as highest fast and slow corner cornering speeds of everyone on the grid... which you really shouldnt ignore when looking at the bigger picture.
    I think you should read my post again. My point was Mercerdes could not match Ferrari on straightline speed but had to find speed in the corners to get ahead of Ferarri. This is a demonstration of the technology competition that makes F1 unique in its formula and DNA. The intellectual innovative competition between the brains in one team against the brains in other teams.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    I rate Hamilton very highly but having the most amount of WDC's does not automatically make him the best on the grid. That logic is absurd and actually quite niave.
    If that was the case, shouldnt Vettel with his 4 WDC's have destroyed LeClerc (Zero WDC's btw) last year?
    It is not the real measure of any driver on the grid and simply cannot be as long as machinery disparity exists... and that is not in any way disparaging to Hamilton.
    I am not sure why you are making this about Hamilton. But if we go with your post. Schumacher was not the best of his time, neighter was Prost or Fangio. How do you work out who was the best? If you do not go with acheivements, then you are left with subjective criterias such as, you have to like the guy or he is your countryman etc.

    You say they have to be in equal machinery to say who is the best. Even that is not possible, if we have learnt anything from F2. There would still be superior machinery and more than one tier of performances between the teams depending on their ability to build the car to the highest efficiency of the specification. Attaining equality is not going to be automatic or even attainable. There would always be some differences.

    As with life, the best drivers would end up in the best machinery. And they would perform exceptionally in those machinery which would translate to points, records and World Championship titles. That is just the way it is. You cannot deprive them of their status because they ended up in the fastest machinery. And it is nonsense to equate Vettel to Hamilton. They are two individuals dealing with their respective situations differently. Vettel has struggled to find the level of hungar that won him 4 WDCs. Yet Hamilton, due to the draught after his first WDC at Mclaren has found a way to sustain his hungar and keep at his best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    A few contradictions there...

    Dominating your team mate is not exclusive to Hamilton and it certainly does not set him apart from the rest of the grid.
    No of course not all other drivers can be world champions in that car.. as some wouldnt beat Bottas but the main, super obvious big reason is that they aren't driving it!
    You also miss the point on this one. My post was not neccessarily about dominating his teammate. It was the fact that his teammate had access to the same machinery available to him. Hence, had equal chance to win as many WDC as he has won. Proving the point that, not everyone can win WDC in the fastest car.

    Yes, the other drivers are not driving the Mercedes because they are not good enough by Mercedes standard to drive their car, Simple!.

    We must respect the achievement of those that excel. It shows we understand what it took to excel and appreciate the difficulties involved in being the best of the best drivers in the world.
    Last edited by Nitrodaze; 11th January 2020 at 07:36.
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