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    There's a good reason why the sport has changed in comparison to how it was 30/40/50 years ago. You can see that in every sport there's some evolution. In rallying much more than anywhere else as you are dealing with technology, but also with a constant changing society. Things that were considered normal in those days are (unfortunately) unacceptable today... Things like endless recce/training, even with competition cars, weeks before big events, were normal back then, but it almost killed the sport. Ask some well-informed person from the UK why there's almost no tarmac rallying left in the UK. Also the roadside service is something unthinkable today. Not only because it's unpractical for other traffic (cars and vans often being half on the road), but also because of the added danger of the extra "rally" created by service vans that try to meet the drivers as often as possible. Same goes for the rally on public roads as the Safari Rally was. Today it's hard enough already for organizers to make an event happen.

    I would love to see longer events with more days, more different stages, night stages, mixed surfaces etc. But you have to be realistic. Most people here have more or less an idea of the cost of running a rallycar, very few have an idea of the cost of organizing an event...

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    No reason to get upset with people that like the past, it is sad that their best and happiest years have gone long time now but you should be sympathetic to those that have no future to look forward to.

    The human kind is at the top of the food chain because it adapts and evolves and always looking forward.

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    Paddon's Q&A with fans on Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddo...type=3&theater

    There are more "news" and interesting topics debated on that link than in David Evans portfolio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Do You actually believe that thinking about some utopia helps anything? What was in 60th was in 60th. It won't come back no matter how much You wish it come. There are more than enough reasons why. Maybe it's better to get used to the fact that the sport is not like it used to be.
    So, Mirek, what do you want the rallysport to be. Ruled by moneyinterested men in boarding rooms wanting shootouts last day to determine the winner? No man.

    I don´t say we should have Monte back the way it was in the 60´s. But we can´t make WRC a circuitracing sport either.
    It has to be more endurance, maybe longer rallies and why not rules not allowing current extreme costcars.
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    No reason to get upset with people that like the past, it is sad that their best and happiest years have gone long time now but you should be sympathetic to those that have no future to look forward to.

    The human kind is at the top of the food chain because it adapts and evolves and always looking forward.
    So you too like the way WRC has gone? Soon it will be on closed circuits and you´ll love it?
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    So you too like the way WRC has gone? Soon it will be on closed circuits and you´ll love it?
    What indications you have that we are going to a closed circuit format ? the fact that we do not have 200 stages and average speeds of 30 km/hr driven by hamburger boys rather than athletes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    What indications you have that we are going to a closed circuit format ? the fact that we do not have 200 stages and average speeds of 30 km/hr driven by hamburger boys rather than athletes ?
    Isn´t it what you used to say yourself?
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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    What are You saying, NOT is NOTing himself already?
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    So, Mirek, what do you want the rallysport to be. Ruled by moneyinterested men in boarding rooms wanting shootouts last day to determine the winner? No man.

    I don´t say we should have Monte back the way it was in the 60´s. But we can´t make WRC a circuitracing sport either.
    It has to be more endurance, maybe longer rallies and why not rules not allowing current extreme costcars.
    Dear Per, I know some of You don't like my point of view but I believe that the only reasonable way to think about the problem is to try to be as reaslistic as possible. Why shall I even bother thinking about returning of the 60' style of RMC when I know that it's nothing but past which will never be brought back? Nobody is intrested in it except several fans on the internet and that's why I scrap the idea. Teams, organizers, FIA, none of them is going to support such idea so why to bother even thinking about it? It's waste of time, nothing more.

    It's the same kind of discussion like about bringing back the gr.A regulations. I always try to see what is reaslistic. And those fat managers bringing silly ideas are actually very important because it's them who bring billions into the sport and keep it running. They don't do it out of fun, they want something back because otherwise they won't do it at all. And that's the core of everything. You can call it viscious circle or whatever but You can't do a shit without them and even if they come with silly ideas like Capito does You can only hope other teams and FIA will keep things somewhat under control. But the point is that Capito can come with such a silly idea because he is in the position which allows him to do that. We are not and that's why it's necessary to try to see the things from their point of view to understand what is realistically possible and what is not. If I clearly know about some idea that all these managers will say no, I know also that such idea isn't worth discussing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Isn´t it what you used to say yourself?
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