The official Uddeholm Swedish Rally Thread

[miksu]

Is this called "the only real snow rally in WRC"?

Its like real Swedish sauna :D


nah, just kidding...

[A.F.F.]

Yippee... they finally mentioned my podium prediction in radio. Which I made way before Loeb retired... Feel very proud now :mark:

[dimviii]

no diff pressure for Garde...

[dimviii]

Galli said :D :D :D

If we can hold this position, it would be a great result for us. But I try to catch Henning."

[A.F.F.]

Sandell pushing really well. And he does great PR for S2000 at the same time. Hopefully he will encourage other driver to consider S2000 machinery :up:

[iJones]

Galli said :D :D :D

But I try to catch Henning."
Which leads to a spectacular retirement. :D
But seriously, I hope he does well.

[Finni]

I think that the S2000 must not be the easiest car to drive in snow conditions! The N4 cars should be easier to drive because of their torque as well and ofcourse their transmission systems.
Anyone have any related info?

Overally I think that S2000 is faster than group N car. For instance Dani Sola's times on asphalt last year were better than group N car could ever achieve. Also in Tunturi rally K. Sohlberg was clearly leading ss 1 but then retired due to technical problem.

[Fri]

A short question: Who is the youngest WRC event winner at this moment?

[Viking]

Sandell is wery happy! He says he drives the car like a S1600.

[Josti]

A short question: Who is the youngest WRC event winner at this moment?

Henri Toivonen. Latvala could break it, but I expect teamorders or Hirvonen just overtaking him. But I guess he will break it anytime soon anyway.

[Jaanus]

A short question: Who is the youngest WRC event winner at this moment?

http://www.juwra.com/stats_winners_by_age.html

[Viking]

A short question: Who is the youngest WRC event winner at this moment?

Henri Toivonen..... methinks

[Mauri A]

Henri Toivonen. Latvala could break it, but I expect teamorders or Hirvonen just overtaking him. But I guess he will break it anytime soon anyway.
I thought Onni Vilkas!

[Tom206wrc]

Overally I think that S2000 is faster than group N car. For instance Dani Sola's times on asphalt last year were better than group N car could ever achieve. Also in Tunturi rally K. Sohlberg was clearly leading ss 1 but then retired due to technical problem.



Corsican drivers haven't the PWRC drivers level, I don't think we can compare them... ;)

But at the 2007 Portugal rally(gravel) there were many more GrNs(including Brynildsen and Flodin as top drivers, countless the portuguese GrNs)and there Bruno Magalhaes showed a real value of S2000s !! :up:

[A.F.F.]

I thought Onni Vilkas!

:laugh: :up:

[c4]

http://www.juwra.com/stats_winners_by_age.html

Toivonen 24 1980 RAC

[PLuto]

Overally I think that S2000 is faster than group N car. For instance Dani Sola's times on asphalt last year were better than group N car could ever achieve. Also in Tunturi rally K. Sohlberg was clearly leading ss 1 but then retired due to technical problem.

If you mean Arctic Rally, his technical problem was off road :)

[Fri]

Thnx!

[A.F.F.]

If you mean Arctic Rally, his technical problem was off road :)

But the reason for that off was technical :)

[PLuto]

There is little fog on stage 5 :)

[jens]

So the rally is basically over. :\ Loeb is out and Ford is totally dominant. I don't think Henning and Gigi will be allowed to trouble Mikko. Two more days of cruising to come...

I hope Jari-Matti will be allowed to win this rally. Swedish rally was expected to be one of the strongest rallies for Mikko, but JML is already beating him there.

[Tom206wrc]

Shouldn't have SS6 started ?? :confused:

[Zes]

So the rally is basically over. :\ Loeb is out and Ford is totally dominant. I don't think Henning and Gigi will be allowed to trouble Mikko. Two more days of cruising to come...

I hoped Jari-Matti will be allowed to win this rally. Swedish rally was expected to be one of the strongest rallies for Mikko, but JML is already beating him there.

It's because of JM's starting position. Mikko will be faster tomorrow. But anyway I hope JM will do it.

[Viking]

There is little fog on stage 5 :)

But a lot of standing water in the road they say.

[Tom206wrc]

Water ??? Is it starting raining ??? :confused:

[PLuto]

Water ??? Is it starting raining ??? :confused:

Snow is going away (maybe watch WRC cars on another stage :D )

[Helstar]

Loeb started distributing fake hopes a again...
If he doesn;t retire 3rd will be his by tommorow i guess....

Loeb tryed that last year in Norway.

You were joking for Rautenbach, but he is now the FASTEST Citroen in the results! :D
LOL true xD

PG`s engine is finish, so no superrally from him :down:
Crap :( Suzuki come on ! The drivers are competitive ! Give them a car which doesn't broke in half as soon as possible.

i doubt he's ever walked on snow before, much less driven on it, much less rallied on it. cut him some slack.
(cut)
You know if you read the other threads you will see that I never said hey this or that guy doesn't deserve his (paid) seats. The more cars the better IMHO !
But like somebody says (Daniel ehm... xD !) that cannot stop us to criticize them. I mean, he has been even slower than Rautenbach on the Xsara sometimes (and Wilson *cough*). At least on Monte he was ok (even funny to see, caught him in video doing some nice slides too :)
Yes he was on tarmac, but ... I don't know :p

[Finni]

How long we have to suffer for this swedish joke-winter-rally? If there is only one winter rally in the calendar I wnat it to be winter rally!

[kleisj]

Overally I think that S2000 is faster than group N car. For instance Dani Sola's times on asphalt last year were better than group N car could ever achieve. Also in Tunturi rally K. Sohlberg was clearly leading ss 1 but then retired due to technical problem.

Yes on asphalt the S2000 cars are much faster than N4s , but on loose surfaces things were supposed to be different.

[Mauri A]

But a lot of standing water in the road they say.
Splashing water I´d say!

[kleisj]

Peter cannot catch any of the top Fords.
Galli is fighting but Henning is winning.... !

[kleisj]

Latvala is very impressive. I m sure Hirvo is scratching his head now http://pics.miarroba.com/caretos/lol.gif

[Roy]

Who said Subaru has a problem? Ostberg beats Solberg in some stages. Subaru has a problem? Yes, the driver(s)!

[Viking]

Henning was off the road he said, maybe lost 5s, they are still pushing :)

[Helstar]

Battle between Gigi and Henning ! They will push Hirvonen to not 'cruise' anyway ...

[dimviii]

Henning and Galli with 121,4 km/h average :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

By the way, what happened to Alex Broccoli in the Clio R3 ??? He's far away in the leaderboard since about three stages... :confused:

[COD]

Mikko can't even match the speed of B-team Fords. Maybe they should change status in Ford team and let Mikko do what he can do best: cruise to safe manu points.

[dimviii]

Atko said
Not a good stage. I don't know why. I think I should maybe go home."

[Helstar]

Henning and Galli with 121,4 km/h average :eek:
The limit is 120km/h right ?

[Finni]

Someone said that Latvala is actually Grönholm with falsemask. Watching his pace I would actually say that this claim is not at all far-fetched.

[COD]

Has anyone notised that Matthew Wilson has improved a lot...

[Helstar]

By the way, what happened to Alex Broccoli in the Clio R3 ??? He's far away in the leaderboard since about three stages... :confused:
So amazing on tarmac, so bad on snow... the difference of skills on both surfaces is even more compared to Al Qassimi ^^

Someone said that Latvala is actually Grönholm with falsemask. Watching his pace I would actually say that this claim is not at all far-fetched.
Here ! Here !

[jonkka]

Mikko can't even match the speed of B-team Fords. Maybe they should change status in Ford team and let Mikko do what he can do best: cruise to safe manu points.

On one hand, Mikko is very sensible. He should capitalize Loeb's retirement to the max and avoid retirement at all cost.

On the other hand, if he gives up too easy in intra-team fight with JML, can he expect to be the top dog when it really matters? He's driven safely for manu points for two years, will it prove to be too difficult to shake off that mentality overnight?

[miksu]

Latvala is like Loeb on tarmac :S very impressive!!! i hope he stays on the road *knock on wood*

[Mauri A]

Mikko can't even match the speed of B-team Fords. Maybe they should change status in Ford team and let Mikko do what he can do best: cruise to safe manu points.
Have you taken N.O.T :s role while he´s away?

[jonkka]

The limit is 120km/h right ?

There no longer is set limit, I think.

[jonkka]

Yeah, no set limite any longer:

3.4 Maximum average speed in special
stages

The decision to permit the use of a stage will be determined by means of an inspection carried out by an FIA inspector/s. The procedure for such inspection is noted in Article 15 of the present Regulations. The inspection may be carried out at the insistance of the Organiser in the case of new stages or by the FIA if in its opinion the previous running of the stage requires corrections to be put into place.

[COD]

Have you taken N.O.T :s role while he´s away?

No realistic opinions allowed when speakin of finnish drivers?

[Tom206wrc]

First PWRC are on the road of SS6(Arai and Hänninen for now) :D

[red_dragon]

Has anyone notised that Matthew Wilson has improved a lot...

in what way ????

[Wasted Talent]

Has anyone notised that Matthew Wilson has improved a lot...

Err, in what way exactly?

Shame as I'd like him to do well, but he just doesn't seem to have natural pace

WT

[Mauri A]

No realistic opinions allowed when speakin of finnish drivers?
Keep your opinion, I keep mine. Simple as that.

[Wasted Talent]

Mikkelsen quickest on SS6!!!!!???

[Helstar]

Have you taken N.O.T :s role while he´s away?
We need Brother John, call him lol

Mikkelsen quickest on SS6!!!!!???
+58 sec...

[Wasted Talent]

Mikkelsen quickest on SS6!!!!!???

Oops sorry, duff info on http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/

Corrected now

WT

[kleisj]

The limit is 120km/h right ?

Rally Sweden is an exception from the rest of WRC rounds.
For this reason is said that ss Ounimpohja will be excluded this year unfortunately. (is that confirmed ? )

EDIT - Just saw Jonkka's post. No limit for the stages any more?
But in Sweden the average speeds the previous years were very fast as well

[dimviii]

Ostberg from ewrc.cz
It is a gravel rally now, there's no snow..."

[PLuto]

Oops sorry, duff info on http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/

Corrected now

WT

We are trying, if you are watching it :)

[PLuto]

Ostberg from ewrc.cz
It is a gravel rally now, there's no snow..."

No, Ostberg told: We are not satisfied with tyres, I wanted more snow. For next stage we will use spare tyres.

[Halvis]

Anyone with link tp chech page? Don't want to scroll all pages...

[euskalteam]

Splits frozen??

[euskalteam]

Where's mikko??

[kleisj]

Where is Hirvo???? He is not on the splits anymore!!!

[Josti]

He finished.

[euskalteam]

Mikko ends the stage now... uff.

[DonJippo]

Where's mikko??

Mikko finished the stage.

[dimviii]

@Halvis
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=150&stage=2785&category=&group=

[Wasted Talent]

We are trying, if you are watching it :)

You are doing a great job thanks, just an instant glitch I guess.

WT

[Tom206wrc]

Hänninen was fastest of PWRC on SS6 and takes 4s back from Sandell(total of 15s are separating them) ;)

[Halvis]

@Halvis
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=150&stage=2785&category=&group=

Thanks! :up:

[Iskald]

Rally Sweden is an exception from the rest of WRC rounds.
For this reason is said that ss Ounimpohja will be excluded this year unfortunately. (is that confirmed ? )

EDIT - Just saw Jonkka's post. No limit for the stages any more?
But in Sweden the average speeds the previous years were very fast as well

120 km/h average is not unusual in Sweden, and no problem re. the regulations. Actually Sweden is the second fastest rally in the WRC series.
Ouninpohja in Finland has topped 130 km/h for the whole stage - with a long stretch in the middle even a lot faster than that. FIA has deemed that too fast and accordingly Ouninpohja regretably is history.

[kleisj]

Henning is trying to bite the gap to Hirvo
Solb still faster than teammate
and Sordo fastest after 1st split.

[euskalteam]

Sordo flying now!!

[kleisj]

Thanks Iskald

[Helstar]

Whoa Gigi -7 sec of Hirvonen in this one

[kleisj]

Gigi faster than Hirvo 7secs???

[euskalteam]

Mikko and Hening have to push hard to keep Gigi behind them!!

[Helstar]

H.Solberg lost 9 sec here, now only 6.9 sec between them, Hirvonen in danger too (only 8.5 sec ahead of Solberg). Great battle of the Fords :)
Reminds me of 2006 with the two Mitsu, but now we have 3 Fords and they're fighting for second place woooot :)

[ZequeArgentina]

They report it has turned to a gravel rally.
So Sordo is coming up, and snowexperts are loosing their advantge.

It must be interesting to watch WRC in gravel with those snow tires on!

[dimviii]

galli 9 sec faster than Henning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dimviii]

it is a big pitty that Galli was out of wrc

very good drive till now(touch wood)

Vai vai Galliiiiii :D

[Helstar]

Gronh...ehm, Latvala still on another planet !

[Halvis]

Latvala fastest again, Østberg even faster on split 1!

[kleisj]

Latvala is the King again!!!
Bravo to the guy exceptional driving!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Third fastest time for Sordo on this SS7 ;)

[iJones]

Go J-M go!!!

[Helstar]

Very good strategy of Gigi, he has reduced the gap to the minimum and will have the best start place tomorrow ;)
He has matured ye... but now we need the record on the Colin's Crest yay lol

[bluuford]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?filtr=&id=35&rz=661&x=873&y=180
somehow there is 1 sek differnets with WRC.com. In case of Latvala and Hirvonen

[Tom206wrc]

Hänninen seems to fly on first split SS7 :eek:

I hope Sandell can keep him behind :mark:

[Helstar]

Wilson totally deserved 6th position... the Ford works wonderfully here, they must have a ninja setup since 2006 !

[kleisj]

Ostberg going for top 4 time

[Halvis]

Østberg very fast again, will crush Petter once more. Pity he had a puncture earlier...

[Mauri A]

Rautenbach faster than Garde. I´d like to hear Toni´s comments without those biips!

[dimviii]

@Tom206

i don t hope that :D :D :D

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Good time for Dani Sordo!

[Halvis]

Aava out...?

[ZequeArgentina]

In PWRC UWe Nittel shows great form.
What has he done in the past 6 years? I have not heard of him since his Mitsubishi group A semi-works drive of Ralliar (was it 2002 or 2003?)

[Mirek]

Rautenbach faster than Garde. I´d like to hear Toni´s comments without those biips!

Garde is going with low central differential pressure.

[Roy]

Hirvonen is to slow. It is not only he is first on the road. Maybe first on the road is better in this conditions.
'Hmmm Latvala for first men in squad.' I am starting to agree with COD.

Not sure yet, almost

[Tom206wrc]

Wow !!! Hänninen and Sandell same first split !!! :D

[Mirek]

In PWRC UWe Nittel shows great form.
What has he done in the past 6 years? I have not heard of him since his Mitsubishi group A semi-works drive of Ralliar (was it 2002 or 2003?)

He won Rally legend San Marino 2007 :p :
http://www.teamagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/Nittel_UWE_Legend_2007web.jpg

[dimviii]

did anybody notice that Petter as the rally turned to gravel lost his speed?
that happens from him or the scubi in gravel show its weakness?

in any case Ostberg put in trouble Petter imo :rolleyes:

[Taavi]

Damn, Aava again has problems with this stage. :(

[rp]

Uwe Nittel has been out of the WRC eight years. Last time he competed in WRC event during the season 2000. Very good driving indeed!

[Mauri A]

]Garde is going with low central differential pressure.
Yes I know, but knowing him there must be a very high pressure under the helmet!

[Halvis]

Østberg got 4th, great speed from him aswell. He actually has a shot of beating Petter overall - how embarrasing will that be for Subaru works team?

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell takes advantage over Hänninen on split 2 for almost 3s... :p :

[peterpz]

Does anybody have some idea why Hirvonen is so slow?

[PLuto]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?filtr=&id=35&rz=661&x=873&y=180
somehow there is 1 sek differnets with WRC.com. In case of Latvala and Hirvonen

Timekeepers were correcting time...

[dimviii]

Ostberg from ewrc .cz
I will try to push on Peter."

[PLuto]

Does anybody have some idea why Hirvonen is so slow?

He is first on the road.

[PLuto]

Ostberg from ewrc .cz
I will try to push on Peter."

No, he has told: We are very happy with result. We had some problems in the morning, but our times are good. We will see tomorrow if we can push to Petter.

[Mauri A]

Does anybody have some idea why Hirvonen is so slow?
Indeed, only 2nd in the results!

[ZequeArgentina]

Yes I know, but knowing him there must be a very high pressure under the helmet!

Hey Mauri, yu must be very glad with current positions!!!
You may even miss Marcus a little less with the performances by young finns.

[Mirek]

I think that Ostberg clearly shows that the car is not the only problem of SWRT...

[iJones]

Does anybody have some idea why Hirvonen is so slow?
Playing it safe and waiting for Latvala to make a mistake?

[Roy]

He is first on the road.

I do't think that is the reason. See my post earlier in this thread.


Hirvonen is to slow. It is not only he is first on the road. Maybe first on the road is better in this conditions.
'Hmmm Latvala for first men in squad.' I am starting to agree with COD.

Not sure yet, almost

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell was faster overall but less toward the end(from 3s gap it passed to 0.4s gap)... ;)

[ZequeArgentina]

Uwe Nittel has been out of the WRC eight years. Last time he competed in WRC event during the season 2000. Very good driving indeed!
Yah, you are right.
I am starting to loose my memory.
"001 was Pozzo PWRC championship, and Nittel was way before him.

[Mauri A]

Hey Mauri, yu must be very glad with current positions!!!
You may even miss Marcus a little less with the performances by young finns.
Yes, sure, but we can not forget the important role of the road positions today. It´s a pity that we can´t see a real winter rally.

[peterpz]

He is first on the road.
Yes, I thorought that, but in second round he would be faster but he isn't!

[peterpz]

Playing it safe and waiting for Latvala to make a mistake?
Remember Norway 2007? He should be very fast in this rally...

[A.F.F.]

COD has a point about Hirvonen but I still like to believe there's more than meet the eye... maybe in Ford's strategy for the following days.

Anyway, before the rally Mikko said the most important thing is to keep Loeb behind and nothing else matters.

Let's say Mikko settles for second place. At points he would be 6 points ahead Loeb which is nothing. Three tarmac rallies and that's MINIMUM what Loeb catches him, probably even more with Sordo's help.

So, in many ways, more aggressive pace from mikko would be very welcoming :mark:

[bluuford]

Aava had technical problem :-(

[DonJippo]

Does anybody have some idea why Hirvonen is so slow?

Instead of asking why Mikko is so slow shouldn't we be amazed about JML's pace? Mikko was ahead of Loeb at the time when Sebastien went off, didn't see anyone wondering at that time why Mikko is so slow?

You can clearly see from stage times that he stopped pushing after he saw Sebastien on snow bank...no reason to push anymore...

[iJones]

Remember Norway 2007? He should be very fast in this rally...
Well, yes. But Norway was rather special with a lot of snow. But I agree that Mikko should be much faster.

[bluuford]

Last year Mikko was less than 10 sek in front of Grönholm in Norway. Ford didn't play any tactical games. Hopefully they wont do it this time again. It is not like Wilsons politics.
I think that it is very bad to be first on the road even on the second pass.. because the slower cars are dragging all the snow back on the road and first few are cleaning it again

[rp]

Loeb´s comments after the retirement:
http://nettitv.mtv3.fi/maksuttomat/index.shtml/maksuttomat/ralli/ralli?122605#122605

And that Finnish lady is former karting driver Anette :-)
http://mediaviikko.fi/artikkeli/2418/

[kleisj]

Instead of asking why Mikko is so slow shouldn't we be amazed about JML's pace? Mikko was ahead of Loeb at the time when Sebastien went off, didn't see anyone wondering at that time why Mikko is so slow?

You can clearly see from stage times that he stopped pushing after he saw Sebastien on snow bank...no reason to push anymore...

I agree. Latvala set a blistering pace through the stages which his team mate coudn't follow or he didn't want to risk so much. Anyway noone could follow JM.
Latvala might prove a revelation for the WRC or he a one off great showing. We can't know that yet.
There are 2 more days for the rally end. I like to see how can Mikko cope with this pressure now and the pace he will follow the next days. Can he match Latvala's speed this weekend?
We ll see tomorrow!

[dimviii]

agree with kleisj and Don Jippo

lets wait till tomorrow

[N.O.T]

So game over for Loeb.....If he is lucky he can grab a point or 2 but i wouldn't bet on it...

Amazing pace by Latvala !!!! If he wins, he will be the youngest ever winner of the WRC !!!

Ostberg also a revelation hope he gets another chance outside his home event !!!

P.Solberg seems to be trailling the private subarus as well as his team mate.....

With the current situatio which i doubt that will change the championship will be interesting for a few rounds at least.

[dimviii]

@Tom 206
saturday is going to be hard for Sandel

Hanninen from ewrc.cz
There's a lot of understeering, because of the snow setup of the car."

[CABAIO E'LONA]

I agree with one question...Jari Ketomaa is from Finland...

:) ,,,, bye friends... good day for all.

JARI MATTI LATVALA RULES!!

[DonJippo]

So game over for Loeb.....If he is lucky he can grab a point or 2 but i wouldn't bet on it...

Will he superally? I got an impression he retired from the event.

[Corny]

It's never bad to come home with the news that Loeb has gone off..:d

[N.O.T]

Its a bit discuraging to see Mikko giving up so easily to be honest.....I mean every point counts if he wants to be champion and when you have Loeb as an opponent and so many tarmac rallies infront you just have to at least show you want to win....

Hirvonen looks like a scared little boy who doesn't dare to take advatage of the opportunity...he gives too much respect to Loeb in a surface he could win...

[Mauri A]

Any news concerning weather tomorrow. Will it be a gravel rally?

[N.O.T]

Will he superally? I got an impression he retired from the event.

i don't know about that.....my internet connection failed a few hours ago and couldn't follow the news....If he doesn't sureprally to protect the engine then ok.

[Perra71]

On the Swedish radio they just reported that Latvala was seen parked at the side of the road just south of Sunne.
Really hope there´s no problem and they just having a coffy or something :)

[ZequeArgentina]

Its a bit discuraging to see Mikko giving up so easily to be honest.....I mean every point counts if he wants to be champion and when you have Loeb as an opponent and so many tarmac rallies infront you just have to at least show you want to win....

Hirvonen looks like a scared little boy who doesn't dare to take advatage of the opportunity...he gives too much respect to Loeb in a surface he could win...


Scared little boy????
What are you speaking about?
He will end Sweden being leader of the Championship, and I even think he could win this rally.
Scared? I guess he must be very happy.

[PLuto]

In PWRC UWe Nittel shows great form.
What has he done in the past 6 years? I have not heard of him since his Mitsubishi group A semi-works drive of Ralliar (was it 2002 or 2003?)

My article about Nittel: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5802 :D

[PLuto]

Also picture of Nittel from World rally championship

http://www.mitsubishi-fan.de/Bilder/08032004/Nittel2204.jpg

[A.F.F.]

Its a bit discuraging to see Mikko giving up so easily to be honest.....I mean every point counts if he wants to be champion and when you have Loeb as an opponent and so many tarmac rallies infront you just have to at least show you want to win....

Hirvonen looks like a scared little boy who doesn't dare to take advatage of the opportunity...he gives too much respect to Loeb in a surface he could win...

With no offence, Richard Burns (RIP) had similar tactics and rarely attacked.

Anyway, I think Mikko is playing safe for TODAY. Why push and danger now that Loeb is away. One puncture and the situation could be much worse to him.

I think there's much reserve left out now.

What comes to Wilson, the situation is absolutely ideal to him.

And what comes to me, as long as there is 1-2 for Finns, I really don't care in what order they finish :D :up:

[DonJippo]

You noticed the Lotus add on home page of wrc.com? Says "Current time in Sweden" having time on the clock which definitely is not current time in Sweden... :crazy:

[dimviii]

in how many minutes is ss8?

[pettersolberg29]

[quote="N.O.T"]
P.Solberg seems to be trailling the private subarus as well as his team mate.....
QUOTE]

What do you mean? Petter is fifth, while Atkinson is outside the top 10, and Ostberg is behind him.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

in how many minutes is ss8?


5 min. to go

[Mauri A]

Scared little boy????
What are you speaking about?
He will end Sweden being leader of the Championship, and I even think he could win this rally.
Scared? I guess he must be very happy.
A big hello to Bs As!
I´d like to see N.O.T. after sitting besides Mikko on a couple of stages.
Guess who would look like a scared little boy?

[pettersolberg29]

Is SSS8 live on wrc.com?

[Tom206wrc]

@Tom 206
saturday is going to be hard for Sandel

Hanninen from ewrc.cz
There's a lot of understeering, because of the snow setup of the car."



I guess Sandell has been facing the same tyres problem today ;)

No doubt also that as leader of the PWRC he won't want to lose his position tomorrow and sunday :p :

[Tom206wrc]

SS8 live :bounce:

Atko was 0.5s slower than Hirvo ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Galli fastest in front of Solberg P. :D

[Mauri A]

SS8 live :bounce:

Atko was 0.5s slower than Hirvo ;)
Don´t jump, in the early days four cars had start at same time from the starting line at Karlstads Travbana, that was something to spectate, even to participate. I still remember the tickling before the flag went up!

[dimviii]

thanks Madeira Rally!!

[dimviii]

any link with the live sss?

[Corny]

Scared little boy????
What are you speaking about?
He will end Sweden being leader of the Championship, and I even think he could win this rally.
Scared? I guess he must be very happy.

Ah, let him.. He has probably had too much alcohol

[Tom206wrc]

Hänninen was fastest of the PWRC, 0.3s ahead of Sandell again... ;)

Tomorrow the fight for PWRC will be very very interesting :)

[Tom206wrc]

10s penalty for Mikko Hirvonen, out 1 minute late from service !! :mark:

[mdesign]

10s penalty for Mikko Hirvonen, out 1 minute late from service !! :mark:

maybe he prefers to start tomorrow as third on the road ;)

[PLuto]

maybe he prefers to start tomorrow as third on the road ;)

Or Hirvo's codriver was talking too much with other people and overslept right time. :D This situatio I know personally... :rolleyes:

[PLuto]

So, directly from Karsltad - it wasnt tactics, Mikko told it is mistake of timekeeper and they will try to cancel it

[jonas_mcrae]

Very nice rally we are watching, Loeb now screwed my pickems but hey, its OK!! Amazing pace from Latvala and Im also happy to see that Gigi is doing quite well. I guess he is going for the points, if henning and him stay in those positions it will be a very good rally for Stobart! Plus Garde is keeping that Suzuki going and he's still inside the points, so I guess its OK! any one has heard any comments from him??

[sp0+]

What a rally!!!!

We had a Ford party today....

Great pace from JML, very fast times for Gigi....

Great stuff out there!!!

[Shrike]

I just watched loeb's roll on wrc.com and I must say, as much as I like to see Seb lose, it was hard to watch him struggle to get the car going again.

[jonas_mcrae]

I just watched loeb's roll on wrc.com and I must say, as much as I like to see Seb lose, it was hard to watch him struggle to get the car going again.

Yeah he wasnt having a good time...
Did anyone notice that before the roll, Seb was talking to Elena? I know seb sometimes makes comments on the notes to improve them but he spoke at least 4 times. I dont speak french, so was he complaining about the notes or about the car, or what??

[Josti]

Yeah he wasnt having a good time...
Did anyone notice that before the roll, Seb was talking to Elena? I know seb sometimes makes comments on the notes to improve them but he spoke at least 4 times. I dont speak french, so was he complaining about the notes or about the car, or what??

Car impossible, probably something with the notes again. The accident did looked a bit clumsy.

[Viking]

Car impossible, probably something with the notes again. The accident did looked a bit clumsy.

The car looked difficult to drive "kicking" the tail out from time to time, Loeb was pushing but...

[jonas_mcrae]

come on Tom give us a translation...

[dimviii]

translation Tom!

[PLuto]

New photogallery: http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21&p=1522#p1522

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/c_8f9cf46c011b8ee898636defef9bf677.jpg

[Sulland]

One of the most impressive today was in my opinion Mads Østberg.

His second rally in the new car, but also with a lot of testing under his belt.
He has, as with the S10 changed a lot of settings on the new car, and using totally different settings than SWRT. Rumors also has it has it that he has changed from Sachs shock-absorbers to Rieger, also on this one. And is very happy with the result of that, getting much more traction.
(as Petter always are talking about....)

If it had'nt been for a stop on SS3 and a puncture on SS4 he had been equal, or a bit in front of Petter....

Looking forward till tomorrow, to continue the rally with 4 Norwegians among top 9 !!

[pettersolberg29]

Why are people dissing Petter?

He's fifth in an old car, and he can still aim for a podium place, espesh with the abundance of retirements. He's less than 60 secs off of 2nd.

Lay off the lad!

[Sturla]

That`s no dissing of Petter, but the fact is today that Mads was faster than Petter. Mads is driving a 07 subaru with other shocks, the same shocks that ford uses. And I think it`s abit odd that Mads is driving faster than Petter. Mads had two spins and a puncture. Maybe Subaru should think about using other shocks they also??

[PLuto]

Why are people dissing Petter?

He's fifth in an old car, and he can still aim for a podium place, espesh with the abundance of retirements. He's less than 60 secs off of 2nd.

Lay off the lad!

Because Mads Ostberg with older not manufacturer car (and with less experience) is faster...

[Mirek]

Sulland: Is it true that SWRT is using Sachs dampers? :o

[RS]

With no offence, Richard Burns (RIP) had similar tactics and rarely attacked.

Anyway, I think Mikko is playing safe for TODAY. Why push and danger now that Loeb is away. One puncture and the situation could be much worse to him.

I think there's much reserve left out now.

What comes to Wilson, the situation is absolutely ideal to him.

And what comes to me, as long as there is 1-2 for Finns, I really don't care in what order they finish :D :up:

But if Mikko is not careful the championship battle will not only be with Loeb but also with JML.

[Shacki]

62 eWRC photos from Swedish Rally

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=315&fotograf=16&all=1

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/wrc/sw/mf_a_3_hirvonen_2.jpg

[ste898]

this is now a fantastic rally.......i hope that JM can go for the victory

[PLuto]

this is now a fantastic rally.......i hope that JM can go for the victory

We will see tomorrow, it will be very hard for him...

[PLuto]

And news from Karlstad, Seb will continue tomorrow.

[PLuto]

Does anybody know exactly why Urmo retired in SS 7?

[Jaanus]

Urmo went off the road in SS7 and got stuck in the ditch. The car is fine and he will superally tomorrow.


photo.1 (http://foto.kimssky.ee/main.php?cmd=image&var1=Swedish_Rally_08%2FP2084150.JPG&var2=700_85_foto.kimssky.ee_mini.png_RD)
photo.2 (http://foto.kimssky.ee/main.php?cmd=image&var1=Swedish_Rally_08%2FP2084153.JPG&var2=700_85_foto.kimssky.ee_mini.png_RD)

[ste898]

And news from Karlstad, Seb will continue tomorrow.

What is the point to that.......is he not about 20 minutes behind now!!!

[N.O.T]

What is the point to that.......is he not about 20 minutes behind now!!!

manufacturer points....

[ste898]

How will he get manufacturer points? thought you had to be in the top 10 to get them?

[Mirek]

No, only manufacturer cars take manufacturer points. And if You're 8th manufacturer car You got 1 point no matter if Your 8th or 50th overal ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

How will he get manufacturer points? thought you had to be in the top 10 to get them?

No. When you are in the top 8 from factory teams (Ford, Citroën, Subaru, Suzuki) and M2-teams (only Stobart this year), you can score automatically points. Group N cars or real privateers with WRC cars before Loeb are not important to score manufacturer points.

[MJW]

]Sulland: Is it true that SWRT is using Sachs dampers? :o
SWRT did use Sachs dampers but changed in 2007 to BOS. There was a bit of an improvement with the BOS suspension. Maybe Reiger are better still?

[ste898]

No. When you are in the top 8 from factory teams (Ford, Citroën, Subaru, Suzuki) and M2-teams (only Stobart this year), you can score automatically points. Group N cars or real privateers with WRC cars before Loeb are not important to score manufacturer points.

Thanx guys for clearing that up for me....

[PLuto]

Another photogallery: http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21&p=1526#p1526

Beginning of Ostberg's spin:
http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/c_a8e2642d8f464d9f2ef580c2f5d41ac3.jpg

[consti]

i think östbergs livery is even more 90s style then the official subaru team, nevertheless he was on a very good pace today!

[Mirek]

MJW: Thanks. Anyway I think Reiger is the best but who knows ;)

[COD]

wow, people actually starting to think about agreeing with me on the Mikko thing. What's next? Halvis agreeing that Henning sucks anywhere else that Sweden and Norway? :D

[Jimmy Magnusson]

With so little snow I've been quite worried, and while the gravel roads were hardly great the fact that we actually have snow banks made well up for that. But they really should think about moving the rally northwards towards more snow-secure places.

[Halvis]

wow, people actually starting to think about agreeing with me on the Mikko thing. What's next? Halvis agreeing that Henning sucks anywhere else that Sweden and Norway? :D

Won't see that happen any day soon. He sucks big time on tarmac, but I expect him to fight for 4-6 on gravel. If you consider that to suck, well, there is nothing more I can say. :)

[thojoh]

Anyone knows the runningorder for Swedish Championship?

[ST205GT4]

]MJW: Thanks. Anyway I think Reiger is the best but who knows ;)

MRF in the Asia Pacific Championship run Reiger as well and they've been pretty successful.

Saving up for a set for my tarmac car, but it's not cheap!

[ShiftingGears]

Where was Atkinson in the standings before he went off?

[bowler]

stage 2 was 9th.

stage 3 51st

reasonable stage times since service

[A.F.F.]

wow, people actually starting to think about agreeing with me on the Mikko thing. What's next? Halvis agreeing that Henning sucks anywhere else that Sweden and Norway? :D

I'm going to make my mind after today. Mikko noted he will try to catch Jari-Matti today and he definately wants to win Sweden. This day will show shall he has the "rahkeet".

I don't think the road position has bigger meaning to it because they run as two first cars. What I do know, Mikko will have to push really fast because Latvala is in the zone now :D

I just hope neither one of them will end up making an error.

Oh and, good morning everyone :wave:

[A.F.F.]

And Latvala starts faster...

[KKS]

WOW great first split for Hening.... He must be second at 2day

[A.F.F.]

And Henning outranks both of them at first split. :eek:

[J.Lindstroem]

I hear on the Swedish Radio now that the Swedish Championship part will be cancelled. what a pity, i looked forward to see them!

[A.F.F.]

And Galli faster than all of them :hot:

This will be a fierce battle for second position.

[Tom206wrc]

I hear on the Swedish Radio now that the Swedish Championship part will be cancelled. what a pity, i looked forward to see them!




Poor Daniel Carlsson !! Unlucky until the end because of that sponsor thing... ;(

[KKS]

+17.8 for Hening ... and second place away from him :(

[A.F.F.]

Whooops.. Henning had a puncture.

I guess will be seeing them today.

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb faster than anybody else :p :

But a useless speed regarding his position :mark:

[KKS]

Loeb and Mads - flying

[Tom206wrc]

Whooops.. Henning had a puncture.

I guess will be seeing them today.



I hope Patrik Sandell will be spared by the puncture wave :mark:

[A.F.F.]

I don't get the idea of running order today :confused:

Can someone clarify me why Atkinson runs on 6th and Loeb on 7th car today ?? Why aren't they behind all the other WRC cars ?

[Langdale Forest]

Otsbetg os moving again.

[J.Lindstroem]

Wilson faster than Mikko on first split?

[A.F.F.]

Loeb and Mads - flying

Mads - stopped on stage.

EDIT: Mads - moving, however hardly flying.

EDIT II. Mads - maybe moving.

[Tom206wrc]

Mads Ostberg :confused:

[KKS]

Can someone clarify me why Atkinson runs on 6th and Loeb on 7th car today ?? Why aren't they behind all the other WRC cars ?

I think Loeb has FIA priority 1 and all others - 2 and lower

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb fastest in the stage.

[Langdale Forest]

Mikkelsen fast on first split.

[Tom206wrc]

Mikkelsen fastest on split 1... ;)

[jonkka]

I hope Patrik Sandell will be spared by the puncture wave :mark:

Why Patrik specifially?

[A.F.F.]

Garde having very good pace :up:

[jonkka]

I don't get the idea of running order today :confused:

Can someone clarify me why Atkinson runs on 6th and Loeb on 7th car today ?? Why aren't they behind all the other WRC cars ?

I don't understand either, hasn't been like so before. However, organisers do have power to change the running order if they want to.

[A.F.F.]

I think Loeb has FIA priority 1 and all others - 2 and lower

Or maybe more practical reason. Loeb would catch Al-Quassimy on every stage, should he run after him :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Why Patrik specifially?




Because he's my favourite in PWRC I want the S2000 to beat all the classic japanese GrN !! :p :

[KKS]

Or maybe more practical reason. Loeb would catch Al-Quassimy on every stage, should he run after him :mark:

Khalid already stop :D

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo fastest on split 1 now :)

[jonkka]

Because he's my favourite in PWRC I want the S2000 to beat all the classic japanese GrN !! :p :

And why is he your favourite?

[KKS]

Look at Sordo1st split! Daniel have some drugs at night? :D

[jonkka]

Khalid already stop :D

They are dropping like flies... :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

And why is he your favourite?



You didn't notice yet I was a Peugeot fan ?? ;)

[A.F.F.]

And why is he your favourite?

Peugeot jonkka, Peugeot.

[Mauri A]

Sordo fastest on split 1 now :)
Is that stage on tarmac?

[Tom206wrc]

And Sandell is on stage too :bounce:

[jonkka]

You didn't notice yet I was a Peugeot fan ?? ;)

I guessed as much but I wanted you to say it yourself. You have been classified.

[Langdale Forest]

If Latvala wins the rally will he be the youngest ever WRC winner?

[KKS]

If Latvala wins the rally will he be the youngest ever WRC winner?

Yes!

[A.F.F.]

If Latvala wins the rally will he be the youngest ever WRC winner?

Yes sir he will.

[Tom206wrc]

No split 1 for Sandell :s

[A.F.F.]

No split for Sandell ???

[KKS]

And Sandell is on stage too :bounce:

and end S2000 great run :(

[Tom206wrc]

GPS or problem for Sandell ?? :confused:

[dimviii]

Gigi is already in 3rd position :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

he said from ewrc cz

must drive carefully, there's some corner here and there... (joke from Gigi)" :D

[A.F.F.]

Why Flodin doesn't show in split chart ? Won't he start today or doesn't have the gps-device ?

[Tom206wrc]

It was GPS for Sandell !! He's arrived(+23s)... ;)

[J.Lindstroem]

Patrik has finished the stage!

[ProRally]

Good morning all,
When is the 2/3 km stage so IN CASE they need to cancel the rest of the rally and still give FULL points.
If temp is to high and rain they might have to as roads are getting destroyed.

[dimviii]

Tom Sandel finished the stage, he is ok! :p :

[A.F.F.]

It was GPS for Sandell !! He's arrived(+23s)... ;)

Weird...

http://www.wrc.premiumtv.co.uk/motorsport/wrcApplet shows totally different total stage times for PWRC drivers.