[WRC] Monza Rally 2020

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nooo Fourmaux losing time.

[mknight]

Huttunen still on wets..
Michelin #Tyre info - SS5

WRC2 / WRC3:

Østberg/Kopecký: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin NA00 + 1 MICHELIN Pilot Sport RS (Soft)
Fourmaux/Rossel: 4NA00 + 1 MICHELIN Pilot Sport MW1
Huttunen: 5MW1

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.ftll2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/129795815_1706795469475961_1003395989819769212_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=xS9sj-uY2fgAX-kZswP&_nc_ht=scontent.ftll2-1.fna&oh=6166124b8fb74c6294278c1fc816decb&oe=5FEEE873
https://scontent.ftll2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/129729206_1706795462809295_9211883781437609257_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=FBUp38XM0z8AX8j6ULb&_nc_ht=scontent.ftll2-1.fna&oh=0705d89d5949bc8054d7b77c6c84c228&oe=5FEECD69
https://scontent.ftll2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/130081297_1706795472809294_4291152832616833538_o.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=rcU8dOjColwAX-9Jq71&_nc_ht=scontent.ftll2-1.fna&oh=1d99c01882e81e605cbd2e22ba8ce893&oe=5FF04404
https://scontent.ftll2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/129960568_1706795466142628_6797784209602823719_o.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=a3V08pD8dY0AX80Z0bc&_nc_ht=scontent.ftll2-1.fna&oh=6085613164c8933d7f43af2a8d812fdf&oe=5FF10565

[Essaj]

If this has been talked about I completely missed it, have they canceled SS4 for non priority drivers since there is only times for 43 cars?

[mknight]

Did Neuville actually break something on the suspension or was it just bodywork? (which then subsequently let water where it shouldn't go)

[mknight]

If this has been talked about I completely missed it, have they canceled SS4 for non priority drivers since there is only times for 43 cars?

Yes was cancelled for startnumbers over 50. (they had to otherwise they couldnt start ss5 on time)

Which means Lefevbre and Nicolas Gronholm who are top 10 in Rally2 didn't get to drive.

[er88]

Did Neuville actually break something on the suspension or was it just bodywork? (which then subsequently let water where it shouldn't go)Definitely broke something. Car was handling badly and he was losing a lot of time.

[er88]

Lappi quite open about Msports failings.

Just him being honest, or another hint that he's out of the team for next year and doesn't care what he says?

https://youtu.be/45Wh2kdhdxY

[mknight]

Lappi quite open about Msports failings.

Just him being honest, or another hint that he's out of the team for next year and doesn't care what he says?

https://youtu.be/45Wh2kdhdxY

A bit of both imo.

Problem is there is nowhere for him to go, only if Sordo would quit completely and that's very unlikely. Stay at MSport and pay to fight just with his teammates?

[EstWRC]

Did Neuville actually break something on the suspension or was it just bodywork? (which then subsequently let water where it shouldn't go)

hmsgofficial
@HMSGOfficial
·
8m
#WRC ⚠️
@thierryneuville
was forced to retired for the day on SS4 at
@AciRallyMonza
due to front right suspension damage after hitting a concrete block in one of the chicanes. The car will be fixed and he will restart tomorrow. #HMSGOfficial #RallyMonza

[mknight]

In interview he says steering was ok and he would have lost only 20s without the watersplash issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-s688-xq0

[mknight]

The last stage is almost completely on tarmac and likely much faster. Will someone try going back to wets?

[denkimi]

In interview he says steering was ok and he would have lost only 20s without the watersplash issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-s688-xq0
Could very well be. With service after every stage and no public roads, it shouldn't have been a problem.

Still a stupid rookie mistake.

[Rally Power]

The whole place looks superb... the huge grandstands and all the history. What a place.

Yep, Monza is one of the most iconic racing circuits of the world; perfect for F1 and other racing series, but clearly not for the WRC.

[er88]

Guess we have to be thankful we got the weather we did!

Without it, these stages would become boring as f*ck very quickly i reckon. The treacherous conditions have made it really exciting - much better than I was expecting.

[the sniper]

Guess we have to be thankful we got the weather we did!

Without it, these stages would become boring as f*ck very quickly i reckon. The treacherous conditions have made it really exciting - much better than I was expecting.

Totally agree, though listening to Julian Porter earlier, I fear the the WRC bubble/promoter will consider this event a tremendous success and want to see it copied elsewhere, because it'll make their life even easier... The short events were already a problem, now I can see them falling down the same hole as WRX. See you at sunny Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya in October 2021...

[T16]

Yep, Monza is one of the most iconic racing circuits of the world; perfect for F1 and other racing series, but clearly not for the WRC.

If they were all like this, then yes, but as a one off, I think it’s making for a good challenge and a bit of variety.

[Simmi]

Totally agree, though listening to Julian Porter earlier, I fear the the WRC bubble/promoter will consider this event a tremendous success and want to see it copied elsewhere, because it'll make their life even easier... The short events were already a problem, now I can see them falling down the same hole as WRX. See you at sunny Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya in October 2021...

This was my thought too as soon as it got announced. For hosting VIPs there's nothing that can beat it. Luckily they have various contracts in place next year so we'll see what happens. It could be a more cost-effective way of adding an extra round if it's paired with an existing traditional event.

[Co-driven]

Another Bulletin and 2 extra snow tyres for P1 drivers.

[mknight]

Another Bulletin and 2 extra snow tyres for P1 drivers.

Imo that's a bit unfair at this point, unless they were told before one or two last stages. Cause when Lappi took them it was clearly a gamble that he might not need them so much tomorrow.

Another thing is that they by now added 2 wet and 2 snow tires for WRC and nothing for WRC2/3 at all.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another Bulletin and 2 extra snow tyres for P1 drivers.

I was going to suggest this earlier but thought it wasnt allowed after the rally had started...

[mknight]

Only Lappi on wets

Toyota:
Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin A4 +1 MICHELIN Pilot Sport FW3
Katsuta: 4A4

Hyundai:
Tänak/Veiby : 5A4
Sordo: 4A4

MSport:
Lappi: 4FW3

[wwbroe]

Is stage 6 running on time or delayed again?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good day by Evans - no mistakes is crucial.

[mknight]

Is stage 6 running on time or delayed again?

Almost on time.

Evans finished with 25 km/h faster average than all the other stages

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi quite open about Msports failings.

Just him being honest, or another hint that he's out of the team for next year and doesn't care what he says?

https://youtu.be/45Wh2kdhdxY

For 'failngs' read reasons - loss of Lappi's car (fire), big loss of funding from the lockdown with no car/parts sales and upgrades not worth using yet when there's no titles for them to fight for and old parts still to be used up.

[EstWRC]

nice one Ott

[wwbroe]

Only 0.6 behind Elfyn now overall

[Essaj]

Lappi just went through chicane

Edit: Must get a penalty, that's lead gone

[T16]

Can't believe people are knocking it - Haven't heard the drivers this charged because of conditions for ages.

[dimviii]

haha Tanak ''if is anything more interesting than this,i want to see it''.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoZ68QaXcAEjRAC?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi losing the lead on the wet tyres.

Saving the snow tyres when they're all getting 2 extra ??

[the sniper]

Can't believe people are knocking it - Haven't heard the drivers this charged because of conditions for ages.

Don't get me wrong, it's worked out great with the conditions. Under the circumstances of this year the event is working out great. But lets not forget, the conditions have made it. While I fear the precedent the event sets.

[mknight]

Hyundai faster on the faster stages and Toyota on the slower ones.... feels weird

[EstWRC]

cmon Taka get that stage win!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi
"I wanted to save the snow tyres but I'm not convinced it was the best choice - we had a lot of aquaplaning! I think I might lose the lead."

[EstWRC]

3rd to 5th separated only by 5 secs for tomorrow

and TOP5 separated just by 17 seconds.

bring on saturday

[Mirek]

The bumper cam feels like some Need for Speed game...

[T16]

Don't get me wrong, it's worked out great with the conditions. Under the circumstances of this year the event is working out great. But lets not forget, the conditions have made it. While I fear the precedent the event sets.

Wise words - to be fair, I said the same about the conditions earlier. Shame they can't guarantee it.

[dimviii]

Adamo after leaving Neuville: "I'm not going to party, but it can happen"

"I'm not going to party!, Underlined the always surprising Andrea Adamo. I have nothing in particular to say to him. This morning, he made a small mistake, he slipped like everyone else, I can't not even call it a “mistake.” As for his abandonment, when you're in a fight for the title it can happen. It wasn't the perfect time, but motorsport is like that. don't give any special instructions during a rally like this, we're here to win. I don't want to break their c *** by telling them to be careful of that, or other c *** ** like. I'm not their mother, I don't tell them to be careful when it snows. They are professionals, they know what to do. But when you go that hard it happens encounter problems. It was a special season, Thierry had good times, like when he won the Monte-Carlo, but we also made mistakes. I hope that we will arrive more concentrated there 'next year."

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_adamo-apres-l-abandon-de-neuville-je-ne-vais-pas-faire-la-fete-mais-ca-peut-arriver?id=10646513

[EstWRC]

pretty mild Adamo i have to say after such a mistake

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job by Fourmaux today. Would be well clear but for the puncture.

[AnttiL]

Another thing is that they by now added 2 wet and 2 snow tires for WRC and nothing for WRC2/3 at all.

Maybe there simply isn’t extra 100 tyres in the service park to give for the WRC2/3 crews?

[mknight]

Great job by Fourmaux today. Would be well clear but for the puncture.

Well ahead in WRC2... while 2nd in Rally2 and just 12 secs ahead of two other Rally2 cars.

Surely Allive has instructions to keep the focus on WRC2 and WRC3 separate but for anyone else it's one category.

[mknight]

Maybe there simply isn’t extra 100 tyres in the service park to give for the WRC2/3 crews?

Are there indeed 50 WRC2/3 crews? Cause I thought the R5s not entered in WRC2/3 have unlimited allocation anyway.

[AnttiL]

Great time for Taka, hats off

[dimviii]

have you watch Evans lifting his right shoulder when interviewing? https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/biggrin.gif

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoaP7jtXYAA4UJO?format=jpg&name=large


https://twitter.com/GustavKruuda/status/1334912598073106438?s=20

[doubled1978]

I can’t help feeling Tanak has played a blinder today, 5th but only 17 seconds off the lead with snow to come probably...if he played for that it’s been exceptionally judged.

[Essaj]

Did I see completely wrong or did Lappi ran through one of chicanes on the banking? Shouldn't that be penalized?

[mknight]

Did I see completely wrong or did Lappi ran through one of chicanes on the banking? Shouldn't that be penalized?

Yes, but he kinda slowed down after it.

[pantealex]

Are there indeed 50 WRC2/3 crews? Cause I thought the R5s not entered in WRC2/3 have unlimited allocation anyway.

Michelin did bring some new model for WRC2/3 use (even WRC is using older model)
so I´m ready to believe that it´s possible that they don´t have enough of those. (maybe they really have only those 20 extra ones)

Anyway it will be better show with less snow tyres.

[AnttiL]

Did I see completely wrong or did Lappi ran through one of chicanes on the banking? Shouldn't that be penalized?

Penalty could come later this evening. But it won’t affect the road order anymore

[EstWRC]

Day 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6KU_qq9i-E

[AnttiL]

So, Neuville restarts as the first car on the road...will we see him take penalties to drop behind the Toyotas? They would have one car less sweeping the road, but Sordo would get Neuville's sweeping...of course, depending on how snowy it is.

[TypeR]

According to Bulletin nr 8, WRC cars get to use 2 extra snow tires (from 8 to now 10)

[dimviii]

So, Neuville restarts as the first car on the road...will we see him take penalties to drop behind the Toyotas? They would have one car less sweeping the road, but Sordo would get Neuville's sweeping...of course, depending on how snowy it is.

Aleks L
@alekslesk
·
7m
Tomorrow will be a big day!

Photo: WRC TV Italy
#wrc #wrclive
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoadU7_XcAElPRm?format=png&name=small

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/alekslesk/status/1334927328913272832?s=21

[dimviii]

Lappi expecting full Monte snow

Media Zone: Lappi

"I wanted to save the snow tyres for tomorrow and the heavy rain didn't really help. On the snow tyres, the block is higher which allows you to have more water on the road. We had a lot of aquaplaning on the stage and that caused some problems.



"If the conditions are tricky, we have a chance. I think everyone is expecting a lot of snow, so it's going to be like a full Monte without the studs."

[cali]

This could get real interesting tomorrow then

Sent from my GM1913 using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

so after friday

1 Evans 123 pts
2 Ogier 112 pts
3 Tanak 93 pts

Hyundai 243 pts
Toyota 228 pts

[mknight]

Starting order up
https://www.acirallymonza.com/notice-board/?lang=en

Greensmith, Neuville, Katsuta

[SubaruNorway]

Yeah that snow is not going away, where is the original post of WRC TV Italy? should be two more pics, I can't find it.

[mknight]

With rain it might even turn into the "glazed" wet snow, which is actually even more slippery. Still on first stage it will be maybe max 1/2 length, second maybe nothing and 3rd like 1/3

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/5ZJRv1ZMqYM

[masa90]

If there was only a bit of running on that Monza track and on repeated stages, I believe this rally could be amazing contender for proper spot late in the year. Mix of elements, easy access, gravel, mud, asphalt and sometimes snow!

I was skeptical (and well at this time it isnt that amazing) but it really has potential.

[dimviii]

Yeah that snow is not going away, where is the original post of WRC TV Italy? should be two more pics, I can't find it.

https://twitter.com/alekslesk/status/1334927328913272832?s=21

[Sulland]

So if it is snow tomorrow.
What crew used snowtyres today, and how many do they have left?

How was it for the WRC2/3, did they have unlimited access to snowrubber?

[AnttiL]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2020/wrc/breaking-monza-leader-hit-with-penalty/

Sordo got 10 sec penalty for cutting a chicane...wonder why not Lappi then?

[NoFear85]

Both Sordo and Lappi with +10sec

[dimviii]

Both Sordo and Lappi with +10sec

are you sure about Lappi?
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2020/post-109-0-20777200-1607120319.jpg


https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?s=303919

[TypeR]

are you sure about Lappi?
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2020/post-109-0-20777200-1607120319.jpg


https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?s=303919

Steward decision no 5.

Facts On SS6 PZERO GRAND PRIX 1, car 4 did not follow the road book instruction
(Road Book 1, page 152, box 9) and cut a section of the chicane.
Offence FIA WRC Sporting Regulation Art. 19.2
Decision A time penalty of 10 seconded to be applied to special stage time for SS6

[pantealex]

Both Sordo and Lappi with +10sec

Only Sordo has penalty, now.
Right now notice board has 4 Stewards decicions.

edit. 5 now. so you were right.

[meh]

Now both have 10sec penalties and top5 is in 7.7 seconds. After THIS day.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?s=303919

official cource: https://www.acirallymonza.com/notice-board/?lang=en

* Lappi's 10sec penalty: https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/d67e6758-8dd3-4428-bedc-c7a3f0c8a1f6%2F09080edb-7d3e-4d96-af5f-be340af506a8_Stewards%20Decision%20No.5.pdf?genera tion=1607119204273064&alt=media
* Sordo's 10sec penalty: https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/d67e6758-8dd3-4428-bedc-c7a3f0c8a1f6%2Fa20fe184-feaa-4bf7-b46b-9fc6d6973759_Stewards%20Decision%20No.4.pdf?genera tion=1607116579770566&alt=media

[EstWRC]

wow incredible news

[mknight]

So after all the excitement today all top 6 wrcs are within 15s and only thing than changed is the running order.....which might be very important if the road starts to clean of snow after first cars. Monte 2018 comes to mind again.

[1988senna]

what's the difference between Snow tire and tamarc snow tire

[Damian Baldi]

what's the difference between Snow tire and tamarc snow tire

I'm not sure, but the tarmac snow tire is the one like a wet tire. It's wide, it fit on the tarmac rim and it should have a soft compount. The snow tire it's the one used at Sweden rally, it fit on the gravel rim, it's a narrow tire with lot of stiffness on the carcas.

Something like this

Tarmac snow (left), snow (right)
https://www.pneurama.com/ew/ew_articolo/images/17671/g_fotogallery/large/10-pirelli_gomme%20%20rally.jpg

[EstWRC]

Good morning Dirtfish rally friends. An all important weather update for you from the stages, and it’s not as bad as feared. First two stages of the morning are completely clear of snow. It’s currently not raining and temperatures are a few degrees above freezing.

https://twitter.com/dirtfishrally/status/1335092110610010118?s=21

[Tauri_J]

Well, I was right then to think that roads gonna clear up. Pretty much equal conditions for drivers now.

[er88]

Looking forward to today a lot.

Maybe it's because I want Evans to win the title, but I've already got it in my head that Ogier wins this event. Sordo and Tanak are huge threats to finish ahead of Evans though, which makes this day so interesting going into tomorrow. Kalle won't be allowed to finish ahead of Elfyn, but Lappi is the unknown.

[EstWRC]

Well, I was right then to think that roads gonna clear up. Pretty much equal conditions for drivers now.

Dunno. Shouldn’t it get worse with each car now going by usual tarmac rally logic?

I mean dirt pulled on the stage with every passing.

[Tauri_J]

Depends how much cutting there is.

Havent seen any stage videos yet, but I think theres not that much cutting on mountain roads.

[EstWRC]

hmsgofficial
@HMSGOfficial6m
#WRC ℹ
@thierryneuville will not restart today at @AciRallyMonza in order to save the car and restart tomorrow for the final day of the event. #HMSGOfficial #RallyMonza

Michelin #Tyre info
SS7 / SS8 / SS9

Toyota:
Ogier/Evans/Katsuta: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Sport FW3 + 2 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin A4
Rovanperä: 6FW3

Hyundai:
Tänak/Sordo: 4FW3 + 2A4
Veiby: 3FW3 + 3A4

Msport:
Lappi: 6FW3
Greensmith: 4FW3 + 2A4

[mknight]

Doesn't look like that much snow after all, based om the tire choices.

Have to say that I don't get why Neuville doesn't drive. If 2 Toyotas and 1 Hyundai get issues it could teoretically cost them manu title.

[EstWRC]

i dont get it too, surprised by the decision

[dimviii]

maybe Neuville in the watersplash the engine got water and damaged the engine?

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1335111648072314880

[mknight]

Millener sounds especially salty tbh

[mknight]

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1335111648072314880

So they basically plowed the road, question is if they did it all trough the stages. Maybe not.

Another thing is that it might start snowing again mid-day.

[EstWRC]

what did he say?

im watching estonian TV broadcast

[erikli2]

Agree with Millener tbh, what should you do if you go of the road and, as a consequence, you deviate from the road book? It was quite obvious that it wasn't intentional. It has happen so many times before that drivers over shoot a junction and they get back on the road without driving back from the road they came from.

[EstWRC]

the stage looked even too dry for full wets as long as they showed it

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
·
11m
Replying to
@Michelin_Sport
Michelin #Tyre info
SS7 / SS8 / SS9

WRC2 / WRC3:

Østberg/Fourmaux/Kopecký/Huttunen/Scandola : 4 MICHELIN Pilot Sport MW1 + 2 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin NA00

[er88]

20s into Greensmiths start, the AllLive feed cuts out.

[dimviii]

the stage looked even too dry for full wets as long as they showed it

wait to see later,the stage escalates to 1300m altitude

[Tauri_J]

So they basically plowed the road, question is if they did it all trough the stages. Maybe not.

Another thing is that it might start snowing again mid-day.

Nope, too warm for snow.

[pantealex]

Neuville must have started, otherwise he can´t start tomorrow...

[er88]

I hope AllLive focuses on the top guys when they start the stage.

[EstWRC]

very narrow part where Gus is atm

[KKS]

Neuville must have started, otherwise he can´t start tomorrow...
They start him today and retire from service TC

[pantealex]

How was it for the WRC2/3, did they have unlimited access to snowrubber?

not free
Totally 12 WET and 8 SNOW for WRC2/3 (and different models than WRC has)

[er88]

very narrow part where Gus is atmCharacter of the stage looks great tbh.

If Monza ever wanted to come back as a part of the calendar, two full days on these type of stages and a Sunday at the race track would be more acceptable

[pantealex]

They start him today and retire from service TC

That´s what I meant. Started and retire right away.

[Tauri_J]

Very few cuts, looks more like circuit Racing.

[er88]

Taka looks to be driving quite well from the onboards, tbf to him

[EstWRC]

Taka looks to be driving quite well from the onboards, tbf to him

+1

Gus looks so nervous compared to him

[mknight]

Nope, too warm for snow.

Looks like you were wrong.

[er88]

Any working splits someone could link me to please

[EstWRC]

man that ending is so slippery

[mknight]

Any working splits someone could link me to please
https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimes

[er88]

https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimesCheers

[Tauri_J]

Looks to me like Gus was really scared. He was taking it really slow.

[dimviii]

any guy to give us the Esthonian link to splits please!

got it,thanks mate

[Tauri_J]

Looks like you were wrong.

Well it snowed before the stage started.

[Tauri_J]

Taka totally destroyed Gus, wow

[EstWRC]

Tänak losing time with every split compared to Kalle

[er88]

Taka has shown at small points this year he has something. Not sure how good he can be, but he does at least show a bit of promise at least (considering the privileged position he gets)

[Lead]

So is there snow on the road?

[Tauri_J]

So is there snow on the road?

More like some slush and only on higher altitudes

[EstWRC]

Kalle with a spin

[Rallyper]

He luckily escaped?

[er88]

Kalle just pushing a little bit too hard

[Tauri_J]

Lappi looks to be slower.

[EstWRC]

Sordo fastest in split 1

[Tauri_J]

Sordo fastest in split 1

Joint time with Ott

[EstWRC]

Ogier smashh incoming

[er88]

Jesus Evans sounding worried. Scott Martin doing a great job on the notes

[EstWRC]

good first part of stage from Tänak till split 2

after that faded away which is kinda trend with him this year

[cosmin_sb]

"Neuville will not restart today at in order to save the car and restart tomorrow for the final day of the event" it is possible something this?

[EstWRC]

wow Ogier, in his own world

[er88]

Massive from Ogier.

[Rallyper]

Masterclass on Ogier.

[Tauri_J]

"Neuville will not restart today at in order to save the car and restart tomorrow for the final day of the event" it is possible something this?

Yup, why not? Restarting on sunday was prohibited only in Monte If It recall correctly.

[dimviii]

wow Ogier, in his own world

5 sec took to Evans at tricky section.Masterclass.

[Mirek]

Rovanperä spun on the slush and hit a bank. He was quite lucky to have no damage from that.

Anyway a great joy for me to see a real stage!

[EstWRC]

5 sec took to Evans at tricky section.Masterclass.

i get 4 from Evans and 5 from Tänak and from Sordo

[Rallyper]

Reporter to Lappi:

"15 secs down on Ogier. Where did you loose the time?"
Lappi: "All the stage"

What a silly question!

[er88]

Right Evans..., pressure on

[KKS]

Mikkelsen has very bad 1st split (

[dimviii]

5 sec took to Evans at tricky section.Masterclass.

and 3 from Sordo at last section

[EstWRC]

Ogier wasnt joking when he said will feel like in home on these stages

leading the rally now and will disappeaer into the distance i suspect

[EstWRC]

and 3 from Sordo at last section

Sordo actually took 2 seconds back from Ogier from last split to finish

[dimviii]

Sordo actually took 2 seconds back from Ogier from last split to finish

yes you are right,i was watching other driver.

[Mirek]

Ostberg on splits way faster than both Tidemand and Kopecký. Only Fourmaux is even faster.

[dimviii]

big gaps with r5 cars

[er88]

Strange splits from Mikkelsen

[KKS]

Seems that snow road at the end get more grip. Fourmaux get very good last split

[dimviii]

Strange splits from Mikkelsen

is he on right tyres?

[EstWRC]

Seems that snow road at the end get more grip. Fourmaux get very good last split

it changed a lot with every car

Gus had full slush there and when Taka arrived it was already very different and he was only the second car on the road

[er88]

is he on right tyres?No idea. Lost a chunk of time to some of the other R5 guys. Ostberg isn't even good on tarmac, so maybe Andreas has just resorted to taking it extra careful? Does have a big lead after all

[mknight]

Looks like Tidemand, Mikkelsen and Huttunen on winter tires. Doesn't look like good call atm.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen slowest R5 car so far, really strange comparing to yesterdays speed.

[Mirek]

Scandola going very fast.

[dimviii]

Recce notes: SS8

Gerosa 1, 11.09km. A stage of two contrasting halves. The first part is uphill, fast and generally quite wide. After the village of Gerosa, the characteristics change, and it becomes flatter, with many tricky points before the finish in Berbenno. This is one for the speed lovers with only a handful of slower corners to break up the rhythm

[TWRC]

Perico with good time as well.

[EstWRC]

these proper stages look amazing, if the whole rally would consist of those

[Simmi]

When you wake up expecting major action - only to find out they've salted all the stages!

All that talk yesterday about needing snow tyres etc. For what?

[Mirek]

Veiby on 3 wet + 1 snow tyre

[KKS]

these proper stages look amazing, if the whole rally would consist of those
It's even better to re-run this stages in opposite direction on Friday rather than what we see yesterday

[Mirek]

Veiby off, continues

[dimviii]

lets see what can do Tanak at a clear stage compared to Ogier.

[PLuto]

SS 7 red flag

[EstWRC]

lets see what can do Tanak at a clear stage compared to Ogier.

not much i think, he seems to be coming steady to bring the manu points home

[Rallyper]

SS 7 red flag

Why? Who?

[Sulland]

Looks like Østbergs C3 goes in a straight line today.

[dimviii]

something wrong at Kalles alingment after the spin at previous stage

[Mirek]

I'm trully amazed how hugely different the Yaris and i20 work from the outisde and inside look on this rally. The cars seem to be completely different to drive but overall they aren't much different in speed.

[dimviii]

not much i think, he seems to be coming steady to bring the manu points home

is it enough if Ogier wins Evans 4th and Sordo Tanak 2nd and 3rd?

[Sulland]

Why do some choose 1 winter and 3 wet tires?
I understand 2 each, crossed. But 1????

pls explain!

[Mirek]

Why do some choose 1 winter and 3 wet tires?
I understand 2 each, crossed. But 1????

pls explain!

Because it's likely still faster than 2+2 crossed and Veiby left the service with 3+3, probably not knowing what he would need. Still not ideal for sure.

[EstWRC]

Ogier losiing time, interesting

[Essaj]

Sesks Big off, Guess this is why SS7 is red flagged?
https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1335140225731977216

[PLuto]

Sesks Big off, Guess this is why SS7 is red flagged?
https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1335140225731977216

Also Scattolon and Potty retired, so who knows the real reason...

[EstWRC]

Ott said the car was too agressive? :D

[Simmi]

Why do some choose 1 winter and 3 wet tires?
I understand 2 each, crossed. But 1????

pls explain!

The commentators felt it was maybe due to a puncture on the previous stage.

[er88]

Sordo could get back ahead of Seb here

[KKS]

what a fight! Sordo back to lead ^_^

[EstWRC]

haha Sordo and Del Barrio feeling like they just won a rally, shaking hands

[dimviii]

strange that Ogier is slower from Katsuta Greensmith without problem.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Great drive by Dani!

[Mirek]

Sordo just said the next stage would be much dirtier, let's see.

[Essaj]

Fourmaux is driving really well

[EstWRC]

strange that Ogier is slower from Katsuta Greensmith without problem.

strange it looks being the slowest Toyota

but we know this old fox playing games at times and his brilliant choosing when to show speed and when not

[Mirek]

Fourmaux is driving really well

He has been impressive lately. Seems like he really knows how to drive on slippery asphalt.

[dimviii]

waiting more from Kopecky to be honest.Mirek?

[Mirek]

waiting more from Kopecky to be honest.Mirek?

Actually not for several reasons. First is that I always considered him to be more of a "dry" driver not being extra strong in bad conditions (he seems to struggle with too slow pacenotes made on snow here). The second is that he might not feel very comfortable in a new team. That is a situation he doesn't know at all. I think the last time he drove in a guest team was in his C.I.R. 2010 season in which he drove in Italy and he managed to win only one rally of the championship as far as I remember. Also he's not getting any younger. IMHO he was strongest around five years ago.

[PLuto]

waiting more from Kopecky to be honest.Mirek?

Why? Comparing to others, he did almost nothing this year. He did only three rallies this year, last one more than two months ago. It is not easy to be back in good rhythm after season with almost no competition...

[KKS]

Sesks Big off, Guess this is why SS7 is red flagged?
https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1335140225731977216
OMG... things go wrong for him even yesterday when he didn't win most of stages and start to push like crazy.

[Mirek]

Greensmith seems to be way too aggressive and off the ideal line nearly all the time.

[TypeR]

Sad that all the roads are plowed/salted..

[Mirek]

Strong Col de Turini vibe here.

[EstWRC]

Ogier will smash this again i think, again very slippery places

[dimviii]

Scandola again very fast at ss 8,lost only to Fourmaux 3,5 sec.

[TypeR]

Stage end nice autumn :D

[T16]

Porter has summed it up well for me.... start with the Monte and finish with this event (at this time off year and in these conditions).
Saying that, this can be second and a December Rally GB can be last... please.

[Tauri_J]

Sad that all the roads are plowed/salted..

A day earlier and it would of been a crazy lottery.

[mknight]

With only those few slippery places, is there even a point in putting snow tires on? The Rally2 crews that took 4 obviously made a mistake.

[Mirek]

As far as I remember Katsuta drove in Italy few years back. Didn't he do even these stages before? Does anyone know?

Anyway this is an awesome stage!

[Tauri_J]

Thats not allowed.

[Francis44]

Strong Col de Turini vibe here.

Absolutely. If someone told me this is Monte I wouldn't doubt for one second.

[T16]

As an Evans fan - this is really hard to watch.

[EstWRC]

Ott looked so slow compared to Evans but gained 5 secs on him

[Mirek]

Thats not allowed.

What's not allowed? :)

[EstWRC]

wtf Ott lost so much in the end

[Tauri_J]

What's not allowed? :)

Drive on stages before rally is held.

[cali]

wtf Ott lost so much in the endIs he on different tyres? Looked slow on tarmac

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[mknight]

We don't know who put the 2 snowtires on and who didn't. Only sure thing is that Rovanpera and Lappi don't have any.

[KKS]

wtf Ott lost so much in the end
+3.7 on last split

[cali]

Problably Ott has put his snowtires on.


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[EstWRC]

what shitty ending from Tänak, this is madness

10 secs to Evans from middle of the stage to the end

[KKS]

Very good downhill section for Evans!!!

[Mirek]

Drive on stages before rally is held.

I asked about years ago when Katsuta did his Italian season ;)

[KKS]

Lappi with mistake probably

[er88]

Yes Evans. Doing the job against Tanak!!!!

[cali]

what shitty ending from Tänak, this is madness

10 secs to Evans from middle of the stage to the endPretty sure the splits are telling that on slippery parts Ott gained massively and lost massively on tarmac which indicates different tyre strategy

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[Päss1928]

what shitty ending from Tänak, this is madness

10 secs to Evans from middle of the stage to the end

Might have had the snowtires on, but imo his tarmac driving doesn't look too convincing compared to f.e Ogier. Leaving room in every corner.

[Tauri_J]

I asked about years ago when Katsuta did his Italian season ;)

Oh okay I missed that :)

[cali]

Might have had the snowtires on, but imo his tarmac driving doesn't look too convincing compared to f.e Ogier. Leaving room in every corner.I agree, looks like he is hesitating a lot in the corners, no confidence

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[Mirek]

Lappi spun

[EstWRC]

Might have had the snowtires on, but imo his tarmac driving doesn't look too convincing compared to f.e Ogier. Leaving room in every corner.

might be, ok the stage end time wasnt that bad, just 4 to Evans but if you compare that he was 4 up on him on middle stage

Evans had a massively good ending

[cali]

So far I'm impressed with Lappi's and M-Sport's pace

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[EstWRC]

very good stage time by Lappi IMO considering he had a spin

[Sulland]

And Morbidelli still hangs in there. Impressive from a MotoGP rider!
And today he is out on the real stages. Has he given any comments or interviews yet, on what he thinks about rally?

[Tauri_J]

Ott lost like 6 seconds in only 2kms

[EstWRC]

shitty stage for Hyundais

they must up their game on second run for manu title

[TypeR]

Really bad stages for Hyundais..

[KKS]

Mads improving on tarmac rallys in recent events so much. Great to see his pace

[mknight]

Atm it's Evans + Toyota for titles

[dimviii]

Evans : 111 + 15 = 126

Ogier : 97 + 25 = 122

[Mirek]

Absolutely massive time by Ostberg, wow!

[dimviii]

very fast 1st split from Oliver -2,2 from Ostberg

[dimviii]

Mads less than 1sec/km from stage winner Evans

[dimviii]

Oliver -5,3 from Mads at 2nd split!

[mknight]

I think Østberg started on 4 wet tbh.

[Mirek]

Tidemand's choice of snow tyres cost him huge time over the section. Bad mistake.

[mknight]

Tidemand's choice of snow tyres cost him huge time over the section. Bad mistake.

Huttunen and Mikkelsen also on snow tires.

[EstWRC]

Evans : 111 + 15 = 126

Ogier : 97 + 25 = 122

Toyota 201 + 40 = 241
Hyundai 208 + 30 = 238

[dimviii]

Oliver lost 9,9 sec to Mads from midstage!

[mknight]

It's starting to snow again up there, just as I said in the morning.

[Lead]

Snow tires definitely wasnt the best choice for the morning loop.

[EstWRC]

Oliver lost 9,9 sec to Mads from midstage!

same as Tänak to Evans :D

[Tarmop]

What`s the weather gone do now?

[meh]

Sordo 10sec got penalty yesterday. Seems that penalties are does not influence stage times, otherwise Takamoto could get his first stage win.

* https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?s=303919
* https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/81956-takamoto-katsuta/1

[EstWRC]

Day so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?leg=2

[mknight]

What`s the weather gone do now?

Precipitation rest of the day.

Temps just around 0, but around 15 very likely below 0 on the high sections of stages.

So it will snow up there. The big question is how much, whether it melts on the road, and if it melts then to what consistency (slush/water).

I predict slush.

[Sulland]

Oliver continues to impress on sealed surface!
4,3 sec behind Ostbergs smash on tricky ss9 is not bad at all.

Tidemand will struggle to get back to overall lead. But weather continues to play a role. Snowing again, and this time they will not have enough time to plow the roads.

[Rally Power]

Nice to see real stages, for a change. With so many beautiful roads in the region, it's a shame they'll have to use Monza stages again tomorrow.

So far so good for Evans; big expectation on manus title fight.

[Mirek]

SS9 again canceled for later crews. That's a third one of nine already.