[WRC] Monza Rally 2020

[wyler]

Last forecast for the race weekend: snow!
On Friday possible snow even at the Monza Circuit. Sat and sun should be more rain at the circuit, mixed on the mountain.

[mknight]

Monza-Carlo without studs

[AnttiL]

It's great unless it means canceling of stages...

[mknight]

Route preview https://itgetsfasternow.com/2020/11/29/route-preview-monza-rally-2020/

As you mention there are some good changes on the circuit, to highlight them even more here:
- no donuts
-no multiple laps ( so no car overtaking)
-no penalties (where do you have this info from?)

Without multiple laps there should be time to correct moved cones/tires. However there might be some issues. If they use plastic cones some people might cut a lot over them om purpose, if they use tires or haybales and somebody moves them it might be hard to place them back. Previous years some corners had massive "unmovable" barriers so that might be an option.

[mknight]

It's great unless it means canceling of stages...

They won't cancel circuit stages even if there is some snow imo.

[AnttiL]

-no penalties (where do you have this info from?)

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-monza-rally-is-making-itself-wrc-worthy/

I'm not talking about moving chicanes on power stage a la Ogier in Mexico 2018, but something that has been a custom rule in Monza Rally Show

[AnttiL]

They won't cancel circuit stages even if there is some snow imo.

Losing the Saturday stages would be a big blow...

[mknight]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-monza-rally-is-making-itself-wrc-worthy/

I'm not talking about moving chicanes on power stage a la Ogier in Mexico 2018, but something that has been a custom rule in Monza Rally Show

Thanks. I know they used to give penalties for small touches before.

[Tauri_J]

Losing the Saturday stages would be a big blow...

Yup, still early days though. But forecast is frightening right now.

[dimviii]

It's great unless it means canceling of stages...

circuit stages are easy to clean them from snow in few minutes.

https://i1.wp.com/www.autoblog.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Snowplow.jpg?fit=610%2C343&ssl=1

[wyler]

Losing the Saturday stages would be a big blow...

I think they choose them exactly because of the possibility of snow!
Don't think there's a risk of cancellation. there will be (maybe) snow, but not that much to be an issue! the forecast says snow on Friday, mix rain/snow for Saturday and Sunday (more on Sunday). It's most possible to have snow that don't really stick on the road.
Worst case having lots of slush.

[mknight]

With slush/tons of rain I wonder what tire is best, the "snow" tire without studs (maybe not enough drainage) or the "superwet" one (maybe too hard compound?).

[EstWRC]

Route preview https://itgetsfasternow.com/2020/11/29/route-preview-monza-rally-2020/

EDIT: One thing that is worth mentioning: the Saturday stages are super fast.

thanks, the Saturday stages look really good and interesting.

the circuit stages not so much, so ill definitely hope for some unpredicted weather.

[AnttiL]

With slush/tons of rain I wonder what tire is best, the "snow" tire without studs (maybe not enough drainage) or the "superwet" one (maybe too hard compound?).

At least the super soft option which is often used in Monte, is not available for Monza. Apparently it would require colder temperatures (how much colder is it in Monte than what we're getting now?)

[denkimi]

Without multiple laps there should be time to correct moved cones/tires. However there might be some issues. If they use plastic cones some people might cut a lot over them om purpose, if they use tires or haybales and somebody moves them it might be hard to place them back. Previous years some corners had massive "unmovable" barriers so that might be an option.
They can use concrete blocks. You can hit them, but they will rip your wheel off.

If have even seen the use of containers, but those seemed pretty dangerous.

[Mirek]

At least the super soft option which is often used in Monte, is not available for Monza. Apparently it would require colder temperatures (how much colder is it in Monte than what we're getting now?)

Maybe they simply don't have the supersofts available and this is just an excuse?

[pantealex]

Maybe they simply don't have the supersofts available and this is just an excuse?

Possible because Monza is last event with Michelin WRC tyres.

(Mirek knows but for others: WRC uses different tyres than Rally2/R5)

[dimviii]

Gronholm

https://youtu.be/fqmRf7ozsdo

[AnttiL]

Team press releases

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/m-sport-ford-end-the-season-in-style
https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2020/wrc/rd07-preview.html
https://motorsport.hyundai.com/monza-hosts-wrc-title-showdown/

I almost forgot it's a rally week! Who knows when's the next time...

[EstWRC]

yeah finally a rally week

i have no idea what to expect with this new event, i think no one has a idea.

the only thing i really hope is that no one has mechanical failures, i want to see them fighting for seconds all the time with no mechanical troubles.

[AnttiL]

My favourite for the event is Neuville, because he usually wins super specials, and half of this rally, including the power stage, will effectively be made of long super specials. He's also been always fast in Monte, and the mountain stages will likely be similar.

[mknight]

It's a bit quiet..... however I am not paranoid at this point and still think that worst case is they run only on circuit.
Lombary got moved from red to orange zone on friday in the Italian system.

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As to the rally itself.
- Circuit stages should work well for Hyundai both since they seem to be doing ok in "straight to handbrake turn" stages but also since they have some experience on this "event" even though mostly with other cars. Work well in this case means no clear advantage for Hyundai or Toyota

- Rain or even rain/snow combination has historically (Monte/Germany) been better for the 2017+ Hyundai than Toyota

- Saturday stages if dry should be advantage Toyota (unlikely they will be dry though)

- If weather gets very bad even one of the Fiestas can get into top 6, else they will just take part

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As to drivers, Sordo definitely doesn't do well on slippery tarmac, while on (dry) circuit he could do very well. Think Rovanpera and especially Suninen are not likely to do very well on circuit.

For results, as long as Evans doesn't do anything stupid or has bad luck he should "cruise" for 4.-5. without problems, in that case only Ogier win can cost him title. The big risk there is if he is around 4th and sees that Ogier is taking title from him and starts to push getting into trouble (say Saturday afternoon). That would open driver champ to Hyundai and cost Toyota manu title for sure. In other teams the boss would come with some instructions for this I think, in Toyota that's unlikely.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoEJ_YpXEAAtiOb?format=jpg&name=small

[RS]

What's the story with Kopecky at Monza? Presume he's there to help Tidemand's title bid?

[AnttiL]

What's the story with Kopecky at Monza? Presume he's there to help Tidemand's title bid?

Yeah, probably to take big points away from Østberg...how was it, they cannot get more team points, but Tidemand can still get driver points? It's a baffling situation.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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[pantealex]

- If weather gets very bad even one of the Fiestas can get into top 6, else they will just take part

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As to drivers, Sordo definitely doesn't do well on slippery tarmac, while on (dry) circuit he could do very well. Think Rovanpera and especially Suninen are not likely to do very well on circuit.



Suninen should be fastest Finn on circuit, he is ex. Top Karting driver
https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/teemu-suninen/ 3rd in European Championship / Several Finnish Championship titles.

[AnttiL]

The Monza stages (except Grand Prix) have very little to do with circuit racing

[pantealex]

The Monza stages (except Grand Prix) have very little to do with circuit racing

Yep, that´s why I used "fastest on circuit" and original from mknight was also "on circuit" ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier - Monza snow could make me champion:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-monza-snow-could-make-me-champion/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@TeemuSuninen

Ciao @acirallymonza !

Driving WRC cars on circuit is going to be so good. All the power and aero makes them fun to drive on the track, can’t wait to experience it again. I've started in circuit racing and hope that'll help me challenge for a good result to end the year.

[mknight]

Suninen drove Monza rally 2 years ago and got clearly beaten by Rossi and won only a single stage.
That's why I don't think he will do well. Don't remember him doing well on WRC SSS either.

[dimviii]

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[mknight]

That's last year's car (just like Loubet had). Think he might have trouble beating Katsuta with that one.

[AnttiL]

Suninen drove Monza rally 2 years ago and got clearly beaten by Rossi and won only a single stage.
That's why I don't think he will do well. Don't remember him doing well on WRC SSS either.

And add to that the Fiesta which lags behind on performance, will lose seconds on the high-speed sections.

[dimviii]

haha!!!
https://twitter.com/imitaattori1981/status/1333496364102258690

[dimviii]

Arnaud Remy, Rally Manager at Michelin Motorsport, told DirtFish:

“We explained to the FIA ​​the concerns of the teams regarding the stages on Saturday. With that in mind, we will be taking snow tires with us to the event.

These will be snow tires without studs. Maybe they'll go from the Clermont-Ferrand factory to Monza and back to Clermont-Ferrand without getting out of the truck.

This is our last event and we don't want to take any chances. It doesn't matter if we don't use them, we have to have them out there so that we can have a choice. "

Regarding the other possible options for the 2020 Monza Rally, Arnaud Remy clarified:

“The super soft (soft) tire that we are bringing to Rallye Monte-Carlo is much more related to the temperature. It works if it's dry, but very cold, as it can be in Monte Carlo. We don't expect this at Monza. And the difference between a medium and a hard one was not that big. "

Monza is the last round of the season and it makes sense - obviously - that we take these tires and the snow tire as well. We will be ready. "

[dimviii]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoGkwhCXUAAMjBr?format=jpg&name=medium

[Rallyper]

Are there Intermediate Supersofts for rallying...? :) :)

Didn´t read Michelin stat above.. but the question maybe not answered anyway...

[mknight]

Latest forecast for Selvino on Saturday is +2 and rain. However since it can come 30-40 cm snow on Friday it is not certain everything will melt.

Since these are normally used roads I assume they get plowed.
In any case if they are allowed to salt them, plow+salt should remove all snow by Saturday without a problem.

[wyler]

Latest forecast for Selvino on Saturday is +2 and rain. However since it can come 30-40 cm snow on Friday it is not certain everything will melt.

Since these are normally used roads I assume they get plowed.
In any case if they are allowed to salt them, plow+salt should remove all snow by Saturday without a problem.

Latest:
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[dimviii]

recce

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoJ2hh0W8AASPuZ?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoKGXMjXIAAy82d?format=jpg&name=large

[mknight]

These two webcams are both on SS7/10, first one after the first climb, second one at finish:
https://www.windy.com/-Webcams/Switzerland/Grisons/Valchava/Lombardy-Italy/webcams/1438178438?45.785,7.864,8
https://www.windy.com/-Webcams/Italy/Lombardy/Sant'Omobono-Terme/Monte-Resegone-Sant'Omobono-Terme-Valsecca/webcams/1593127341?45.823,7.848,8

EDIT: For more detailed view switch to "24h" next to the play button for the camera. For some reason it was on "30d" for me by default.

[dimviii]

Matteo Deriu
Flag of Italy
@Bartolbia84
❄
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snow in Selvino stage @AciRallyMonza
#WRC
Pics: Anna Cannata

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoKaFxyUwAMb3cW?format=jpg&name=900x900

[dimviii]

The final round of the FIA World Rally Championship has a record number of 51 entries of RC2 cars. The strongest brand by far is again ŠKODA with 31 FABIA rally cars on the list. Record Czech Rally Champion Jan Kopecký is highly motivated for his return to the FIA World Rally Championship: “I got the offer from Toksport WRT to do the ACI Rally Monza, which runs entirely on tarmac – one of my most favourite surfaces. I am happy to be re-united with Pontus Tidemand, who is fighting for his second WRC2 title after 2017. In 2018, I managed to win the title ahead of him and this time we are both driving for Toksport with the engineering support from ŠKODA Motorsport.” Thanks to strategically clever drives, Tidemand could secure already three WRC2 category wins in the 2020 season and travels to Monza as leader of the championship.

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-releases/aci-rally-monza-final-round-of-the-fia-world-rally-championship-with-strong-presence-of-skoda-crews-2/

[dimviii]

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http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2020/post-157-0-14571400-1606845471.jpg

[dimviii]

@TorsteinEriksen

Here we go again! Finally @OfficialWRC
Recce Day 1 is completed and my Co-driver Milano Office is up and running
☑
#WRC2 #Codriver

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoLcUY_W4AI2wGu?format=jpg&name=large

[mknight]

Something like 5-10 cm on the highest point of ss7/10 now and forecast saying it should snow more before turning into rain on saturday morning:

https://www.windy.com/-Webcams/Switzerland/Grisons/Valchava/Lombardy-Italy/webcams/1438178438?46.021,8.708,10

As I wrote before a snow plow and salt on the road would remove everything with temps around zero, but question is if they want to do that and are allowed to do that.

[Tauri_J]

Obviously I'm a Tänak fan and he should benefit a LOT when theres slush on the road for guys starting before him.

But they should absolutely plow and salt the roads, to create equal conditions.

[EstWRC]

Stage 9/12 Costa Valle Imagna
@AciRallyMonza

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoN9ccRXEAAUUou?format=jpg&name=900x900
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source https://twitter.com/Bartolbia84/status/1334047849865154560?s=20

[Sulland]

Could turn into another Monte circus, as per a few years ago when Delecour crossed his tyres and won by a mile on some stages.

Do they have access to monte winter tyres on this rally, or could they just go ans buy some sets freom Pirelli/Michelin locally?

[mknight]

Could turn into another Monte circus, as per a few years ago when Delecour crossed his tyres and won by a mile on some stages.

Do they have access to monte winter tyres on this rally, or could they just go ans buy some sets freom Pirelli/Michelin locally?

I think you mean Monte 2011 in IRC:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/2217-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2011/?s=15597

Thing is that then it was dry and started to snow (a lot). Skodas and Solberg on slicks lost 8-17!!! s/km to Delecour on studs.

Now in Monza it looks set for something more like Monte 2018:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42870-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2018/?s=154131

Then there was fresh snow that started to melt, with reverse order it was Breen and Evans opening the road covered in snow, while last WRCs like Ogier and Mikkelsen had almost only wet road and very late starters like Nucita in Fiat 124 (4th place in stage :D ) had drying road.

[EstWRC]

circus?

this will be epic finale to the season!

[AnttiL]

I think you mean Monte 2011 in IRC:
Now in Monza it looks set for something more like Monte 2018:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42870-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2018/?s=154131

Then there was fresh snow that started to melt, with reverse order it was Breen and Evans opening the road covered in snow, while last WRCs like Ogier and Mikkelsen had almost only wet road and very late starters like Nucita in Fiat 124 (4th place in stage :D ) had drying road.

Only in the case that it has snowed a lot just before the stage starts, and the snowfall ends once the stage is live.

[wyler]

As I wrote before a snow plow and salt on the road would remove everything with temps around zero, but question is if they want to do that and are allowed to do that.

i will definitely hope they won't!
atm I'm not sure snow will remain anyway till Saturday, unless it ll snow again on Friday...

[EstWRC]

Recce update EyesEyes

Monza or Monte?
You decide!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoOJwnhW4AEI6Wu?format=jpg&name=medium


https://twitter.com/JoshMcErlean5/status/1334061385597263873?s=20

[mknight]

i will definitely hope they won't!
atm I'm not sure snow will remain anyway till Saturday, unless it ll snow again on Friday...

Currently based on forecasts like this:

https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-table/2-3166763/Italy/Lombardy/Provincia%20di%20Bergamo/Selvino


- There will definitely be precipitation both Friday and Saturday
- Right now forecast says that it should turn from snow to rain already Friday afternoon, in that case everything on road will melt
- However, with temperatures within a few degrees of freezing very small temperature differences have huge impact so we wont know until Saturday morning

[dimviii]

wow recce with snow,and rally with no snow will be tricky to make correct notes.Unvisible cuts etc

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1334069773722914816

[AnttiL]

And no ice/gravel crews for this rally

[EstWRC]

really? arent they there for every tarmac rally?

weird decision

[rallyfiend]

And no ice/gravel crews for this rally

Not true.

They have them for the Saturday stages.

[dimviii]

Μads

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[dimviii]

confirmed the snow tyres

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoOYt89W8AEN6GQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

ss 7/10
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[dimviii]

Winner takes all in WRC 2 Monza showdown

The stage is set for Pontus Tidemand and Mads Østberg to fight head-to-head for the WRC 2 series crown at this week’s ACI Rally Monza (3 - 6 December).

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2020/wrc-2/winner-takes-all-in-wrc-2-monza-showdown/

[mknight]

Right now it looks more like 3 days of massive rain.

Trying to make sense of the tire limits. After reading both the Fia WRC sporting regulations, the Monza Supplementary regulations and Bulletin n4 I still don't get how the number is limited.

The first two documents only mention the total number. But in bulletin n4 (from here https://www.acirallymonza.com/notice-board/?lang=en ) it says:
First choice 24
Second choice 12
Wet 12
Snow 8
Total 24.

If you pick Wet as first choice can you get more than 12? I guess they don't wear much in rain, but with all the handbrake turns on the circuit they might wear a bit?

Related question, how to find out which R5 is using what tires right now? (besides looking on stickers at SD/other pictures.)

[AnttiL]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?cat=1018

Top Rally2 driver tyre brands are covered here

As for the wet tyres wearing out, remember that this rally has less kilometres than on a normal rally. Basically Friday is half the normal length and Sunday would be on the short end compared to normal rally Sundays. It's also interesting that there's services between every Monza stage, so the tyres can really be optimized.

[mknight]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?cat=1018

Top Rally2 driver tyre brands are covered here


Didn't check there.

I'd say on Canarias there were some small indications that Michelin wets might be slightly better when it was very wet, while Pirelli wets were better when it was damp. But temperatures were different and tarmac is also different.



As for the wet tyres wearing out, remember that this rally has less kilometres than on a normal rally. Basically Friday is half the normal length and Sunday would be on the short end compared to normal rally Sundays. It's also interesting that there's services between every Monza stage, so the tyres can really be optimized.

There is still a limit in wrc sporting regulations (15.1) for max 7 tire changes during the course of the rally. With 13? service/flexi service that would mean changing only every other service.

[itix]

confirmed the snow tyres

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoOYt89W8AEN6GQ?format=jpg&name=mediumAt least... This would have been a proper shit show without them.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

My weather app shows temperatures rising after today and heavy rain not snow. Recce in the snow is far from ideal if it doesnt stay.

I still think Evans is favourite as whatever its like he doesnt need to push for the win like Ogier does (and the others will).

[EstWRC]

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https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/1334099424654598146?s=20

[AnttiL]

There is still a limit in wrc sporting regulations (15.1) for max 7 tire changes during the course of the rally. With 13? service/flexi service that would mean changing only every other service.

Now that's interesting :D

[Co-driven]

Right now it looks more like 3 days of massive rain.

Trying to make sense of the tire limits. After reading both the Fia WRC sporting regulations, the Monza Supplementary regulations and Bulletin n4 I still don't get how the number is limited.

The first two documents only mention the total number. But in bulletin n4 (from here https://www.acirallymonza.com/notice-board/?lang=en ) it says:
First choice 24
Second choice 12
Wet 12
Snow 8
Total 24.

If you pick Wet as first choice can you get more than 12? I guess they don't wear much in rain, but with all the handbrake turns on the circuit they might wear a bit?

Related question, how to find out which R5 is using what tires right now? (besides looking on stickers at SD/other pictures.)

You don't "pick your first or second choice". It's the choices that the tyres manufactures make. For example, Michelin's first choice is the Pilot Sport H5. Crews can use a maximum of 24 tyres of this model.

So, there is no way that teams can choose the "wet" tyres as their first choice. Only a maximum of 12 tyres can be used throughout the whole rally.

Also problem of wet tyres is not down only to wear. They work better in a lower temperature, so if it's too dry temperature will build up too fast and "tyres will start to move a lot".

[Co-driven]

There is still a limit in wrc sporting regulations (15.1) for max 7 tire changes during the course of the rally. With 13? service/flexi service that would mean changing only every other service.

I think that this number of max tyre changes is mainly used to calculated maximum allocation per event, as it's written on that article in Sporting Regulations.

And if I am not mistaken, WRC cars can drive without spare tyres (Tanak drove Sunday in Turkey 2019 without them).

[mknight]

Also problem of wet tyres is not down only to wear. They work better in a lower temperature, so if it's too dry temperature will build up too fast and "tyres will start to move a lot".

Temperature goes both ways. If it's too dry/too hot the tire is worn more and "unstable" (too soft).

But if it's too cold the tire is too stiff and doesn't work. Hence my point that for R5s either one of Michelin/Pirelli can work better in colder conditions than the other. Normally these tires are used on rallies like Germany with 15+ degrees and rain, not in 3-4 degrees.




And if I am not mistaken, WRC cars can drive without spare tyres (Tanak drove Sunday in Turkey 2019 without them).

This is actually really interesting point, with service after each 13-16 km stage on circuit, will some drivers risk running without spare?
If they then get a puncture the car will not actually be on a "public road" road section, so they can drive without rubber on rim? (I think Meeke in Portugal 2018 got penalty anyway?)

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoPUVU6XUAE0Pa6?format=jpg&name=large

[Rallyper]

So when predictions are even harder don´t forget Pickems!

[AnttiL]

This is actually really interesting point, with service after each 13-16 km stage on circuit, will some drivers risk running without spare?
If they then get a puncture the car will not actually be on a "public road" road section, so they can drive without rubber on rim? (I think Meeke in Portugal 2018 got penalty anyway?)
Meeke in Portugal 2018 had two of his five tyres broken. One of them was only a rim, the other was slowly delaminating. On the way to service he had to do a short street stage. He decided to switch the rim only for this stage to save the delaminating tyre for liaisons where it was necessary to remain intact. After this it was changed to the rules that you need to start a stage with four intact wheels. I don't think he got a penalty though, if not for touching chicanes.

But yeah, I don't think anyone will need spares on Friday and Sunday. No public road driving on the way.

[wyler]

My weather app shows temperatures rising after today and heavy rain not snow. Recce in the snow is far from ideal if it doesnt stay.

I still think Evans is favourite as whatever its like he doesnt need to push for the win like Ogier does (and the others will).

Snow still forecasted for Friday on mountain stages, also Saturday on ss 9-12. Heavy rain in Monza

[Tauri_J]

Could flooding be an issue? Right now it shows heavy rain three days straight, from Friday to sunday.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/129073572_3706754199375751_487715682510021594_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=7XQhi_Ff78QAX_Qub48&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=bbd01911d372d729d6f4b8cba9f1e88e&oe=5FEDF457
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https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128791538_3706754339375737_7156537369004636522_o.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=la-txrt_V-gAX9HDXjh&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=4fa60282dc3bb6d6d1e891faf87f7ba4&oe=5FECA5C0
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128913687_3706754299375741_7636275831898287002_o.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=h5d3zDbldzkAX-CPNRp&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=d989a0585efaac1fa375f62df113e7b5&oe=5FEBD841

[itix]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128913687_3706754299375741_7636275831898287002_o.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=h5d3zDbldzkAX-CPNRp&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=d989a0585efaac1fa375f62df113e7b5&oe=5FEBD841

The mask xD

[dimviii]

Why Rossi could have troubled the WRC’s best at Monza

He's been a dominant force at Monza in the past and some at M-Sport believe he could have taken his maiden WRC win this year

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-rossi-could-have-troubled-the-wrcs-best-at-monza/

[pantealex]

Why Rossi could have troubled the WRC’s best at Monza

He's been a dominant force at Monza in the past and some at M-Sport believe he could have taken his maiden WRC win this year

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-rossi-could-have-troubled-the-wrcs-best-at-monza/

He did use FIA illegal car at Monza, it was mentioned in this thread before.

[dimviii]

He did use FIA illegal car at Monza, it was mentioned in this thread before.

didnt was just roumors?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQEw27XYAANgAT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen my life #53
https://youtu.be/sYEzsP17aAo

[SubaruNorway]

How high up the banking are they going this year? Think it's just to the yellow line before

[AnttiL]

Why Rossi could have troubled the WRC’s best at Monza

He's been a dominant force at Monza in the past and some at M-Sport believe he could have taken his maiden WRC win this year

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-rossi-could-have-troubled-the-wrcs-best-at-monza/

I don't believe that...especially with the Saturday stages.

[T16]

I don't believe that...especially with the Saturday stages.

I was going to say the same. Haven’t looked the article, but if Evans wrote it, that’s a bit shit.
If it was around the circuit stages only, then maybe a top five, if he’s lucky, but outright on tarmac and with some real stages.... not a chance.

[Jarek Z]

Why Rossi could have troubled the WRC’s best at Monza

He's been a dominant force at Monza in the past and some at M-Sport believe he could have taken his maiden WRC win this year

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-rossi-could-have-troubled-the-wrcs-best-at-monza/

LOL have they ever seen his stage times? :)

[dimviii]

shakedown start list

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQa-IoWMAIB6Dl?format=jpg&name=900x900

[dimviii]

Championship leader Elfyn Evans admitted the Friday and Sunday tests wouldn’t be like anything previously seen this season. If ever.

“They’re not traditional stages by any means,” said Evans, when asked by DirtFish to assess the stages.

“The sections on the track itself are not bad, they’ve been marked out well on the recce. It’s still challenging enough with the way the rubber is on the track.

“And the gravel bits yesterday, to be honest, weren’t looking too bad. The recce today was, obviously, a different picture with some ruts appearing in the gravel already.

“So that could be another story by the time we’ve run over them a few times.”

Evans’ Toyota team-mate Sébastien Ogier said Monza could provide the season’s biggest challenge.

“There’s a lot of gravel and mud on the circuit sections and that’s going to be extremely challenging with an asphalt [specification] car,” he said.

“Maybe that Mickey Mouse term is not the right one for this weekend because it’s quite a difficult challenge already.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/mickey-mouse-stages-wrc-drivers-early-monza-verdict/

[dimviii]

Ivan Fernandez
@fernischumi
Interestingly, the first edition of the Monza Rally Show was held in these conditions. It was in 1978 and some snowy stamps have reminded us of the views today in the #WRC recognitions


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQoH_1XYAQpBc5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQoJhBXcAEiuXT?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQoOpLWEAEFZJA?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQoRVzXUAI0-jw?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ucci]

Why Rossi could have troubled the WRC’s best at Monza

He's been a dominant force at Monza in the past and some at M-Sport believe he could have taken his maiden WRC win this year

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-rossi-could-have-troubled-the-wrcs-best-at-monza/

No way.....he would be definitely the one to count on Monza circuit stages, but on Saturday stages he would have troubles to keep up with the fastest guys in R5....

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoP0n3wXEAcsBVx?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Dani Sordo: "It's going to be a very difficult test because of the snow"
The Spaniard faces the last round of the World Cup "worried about the conditions of the terrain, because it will be worse than a Monte Carlo that I like the least".

He is the latest winner in a World Championship rally in Sardinia, and also the driver who knows Monza best for his performances and victories at the Rally Show. But Dani Sordo was concerned about the conditions of the stages after finishing the reconnaissance.

- Do you look favorite because you know Monza better than anyone?

-It is true that I have raced many times in the Rally Show, but this time it will be different. It does not look like anything. The sections are different, they go outside the circuit and there are also areas with three kilometers of land. It is not what I have run on other occasions.

-How are the road sections on Saturday at Lake Como?

-The route is not very beautiful. There is snow, there is fog, and it is worse than in those Monte Carlo Rallies that I like least. We have done the dry test, and it is useless in these conditions. It's like cyclists, not everyone likes the mountains. My colleagues have better references with the test they did for Belgium in the wet than I did, who did not do it and for this test I tested the car in the dry.

-But you have to fight for the title of constructors.

-It is clear that we are going to fight and push hard to try to give Hyundai the brand title. It is my only objective, because of the pilots I have not done accounts. That is not my battle.

-It is the fourth time he has raced in Italy this year, and he has won twice, in Rome and Sardinia.

-The truth is that Monza brings me very good memories, and I really like Italy, but now it's different. There are no people, and not only is it cold, but the environment is also very cold, without people.

-Do you already know your future? Will it continue to run next year?

-Something will be next year, but that is something that Andrea Adamo, the head of Hyundai, must answer.

https://as.com/motor/2020/12/02/mas_motor/1606933693_493401.html

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville: "I wouldn't be very proud to be champion this year"

On the eve of the Monza Rally, the last round of the world championship, Thierry Neuville, still mathematically in contention for the title, answered our questions.

Thierry, how is this last event of the season looking?

"It promises to be a very difficult rally, with small gaps around the circuit during the first and third stages and a surprising day in the mountains on Saturday. We had a lot of fog, snow and soup during the reconnaissance and that It promises to be complicated. The role of the openers promises to be important and the choice of tires will prove to be decisive. A truck of snow tires has arrived in case the winter conditions are confirmed. "

Does the fact of having multiplied national events since August give Hyundai an advantage?

"I hope so. Toyota has driven very little on the asphalt since Monte-Carlo. This is not our case and we intend to take advantage of it. The car has evolved well. I feel very comfortable. comfortable behind the wheel. The main objective is of course to keep the constructors' title. "

As for the pilots, you don't really think about it even if you still have a mathematical chance?

"No. The day the cancellation of Ypres was announced my last hopes were gone. Elfyn just had to finish in the top five which he will be doing on a regular basis and I didn't have any more. Luckily. Either way, it's not the right year to be champion. I discussed it with my manager and told him that I wouldn't be very proud to be crowned after a year like this. Evans is in a wheelchair. Now he has not had any problems this season, which he is not immune to a glitch either. And then we can count on Seb Ogier to put pressure on him, also on a psychological level. It's going to be war! "

Second or third in the championship, do you mind?

"Yes I don't care. I've been runner-up enough times already."

But fourth behind Ott Tanak, would that bother you?

"Ah yes that's for sure, but that's not going to happen."

The goal of the weekend is clearly to end the season as you started it?

"Absolutely. We want to win. Everyone wants to win this rally. All the while thinking that there is a brand title to keep at home."

We canceled Ypres two weeks ago but we're driving to Monza, okay?

"Here we are on a circuit, there is nobody, no public. It's easier to control. And then you have to evolve. You have to continue to live despite the virus. It's my job and I want to keep working. We have to learn to live with this pandemic. It was important to restart to prepare for next season. "

Who starts when?

"Already next week with the Monte-Carlo tests."

Who will take place?

"Yes, I think so because they can also organize it behind closed doors."

Do you have any guarantees that Hyundai will still be present in the WRC in 2022?

"Today, there is no guarantee for anything. But I am confident, yes."

https://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/wrc/thierry-neuville-je-ne-serais-pas-tres-fier-d-etre-champion-cette-annee-5fc7e1449978e255b0c38f17?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTDkN0XUAEMr4D?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTDmC7XYAAw-XA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Morning !

Ready for shakedown live on FB:
https://m.facebook.com/WorldRally?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F&_rdr

[mknight]

Thierry Neuville: "I wouldn't be very proud to be champion this year"
...
...


We totally believe that you don't want to be a champion....

[EstWRC]

love that translation what dimviii posted.

Evans in a wheelchair and Neuville had a lot of soup on recce.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

LIVE https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djxXqajEDeKZ

[mknight]

Evans crash in first high speed braking, should be ok though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans spun !

[EstWRC]

so slippery, the back just went away

[T16]

We totally believe that you don't want to be a champion....

Brilliant... well said.

[AnttiL]

Neuville just looked aggressive on the stage. Ott lost a lot of time.

[AnttiL]

And Rovanperä lost even more. I think he was hesitating on the long left on the circuit

[mknight]

Neuville just looked aggressive on the stage. Ott lost a lot of time.

Tanak was taking it very carefully in the Foggy parts. Neuville was full on.... stilll huge differences for 4 km.

[EstWRC]

they are basically auqaplaning on the straight


you guys are talking like Ott was the only slow one, lol

everybody losing a lot to Thierry

[AnttiL]

So huge gaps on this 4 km stage. Tomorrow the stages are 10-16 km long!

[Simmi]

Getting major 90s RAC spectator stage vibes from this shakedown.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A spin on the first shakedown run - the last thing Elfyn Evans needed for his confidence.

[dimviii]

there is more fog now or is my impression?

[AnttiL]

Getting major 90s RAC spectator stage vibes from this shakedown.

Yes, definitely. Especially with the conditions :D

[AnttiL]

Tidemand fifth now :D

[AnttiL]

Tidemand fifth now :D

And Østberg a tenth quicker. The R5's turn more nimbly with no center diff and they are narrower in the tightest chicanes.

[dimviii]

amazing time from Huttunen

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hot turbo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTY6UTXYAIO00S?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

on second run the times are more equal

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTdwt5XMAAYCb0?format=jpg&name=medium

[denkimi]

on second run the times are more equal
Only because neuville is suddenly 6 seconds slower. :p

Its like he cut some a corner or something in his first run.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRCWings @llluis555
@TeemuSuninenRac using the new front aero package at the shakedown of the #ACIRallyMonza on his
@MSportLtd Fiesta WRC.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTexs2WMAQOu14?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2020/post-1272-0-35266800-1606990784.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans had a decent 2nd run, just +0.2 s off Ogier.

[EstWRC]

Greensmith with his best time on 3rd run.

of course we have no idea about the tyre choices.

[mknight]

Suninen had softs on first run which was slow (3:22.8 - time got removed, but is still on the replay) and he was visibly sliding more than Lappi.

Said he will try rain tires on next and next was 3:15. So if Neuville had rain tires on not-yet-muddy road it could maybe explain the first time.

[EstWRC]

Veiby also with a very good time on third run, same as Neuville

[EstWRC]

well everybody doin their best times basically on 3rd, really interested if its drying up or they all tried some other tyres besides slicks

[dimviii]

WRC - ACI Rally Monza - Pre-event Press Conference Transcript

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-aci-rally-monza-pre-event-press-conference-transcript

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-drivers-cant-control-slides-on-monzas-snow-lappi/

[dimviii]

WRC - ACI Rally Monza - Pre-event Press Conference Transcript

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-aci-rally-monza-pre-event-press-conference-transcript

dont know if you read that.

Reiner Kuhn, Motorsport Aktuell (GER) to Mads Ostberg.
Q:
What do you think about the fact that Toksport have got Jan Kopecky on board this weekend?
MO:
It is great to see Jan back at the event, of course. He’s a great driver and I haven’t competed against him for a year I think so it will be interesting to see his level now. For sure, it will be strong competition from him this weekend and I know why they brought him there. So I’ll try to make sure that the trick doesn’t work.

[dimviii]

Scandola now fastest a tenth from Kajto

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Snow forecast acc to Colin Clark:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1334456664242724866

[mknight]

The starting order is somewhat interesting for R5s, obviously driven by "other interests" and not competition
You get Formaux, Østberg, Tidemand and Morbidelli
WRCs
16. Kopecky (also starting in WRC2) and then rest with Huttunen 18. Solberg 20. and Mikkelsen 26.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?leg=1

[RS]

dont know if you read that.

Reiner Kuhn, Motorsport Aktuell (GER) to Mads Ostberg.
Q:
What do you think about the fact that Toksport have got Jan Kopecky on board this weekend?
MO:
It is great to see Jan back at the event, of course. He’s a great driver and I haven’t competed against him for a year I think so it will be interesting to see his level now. For sure, it will be strong competition from him this weekend and I know why they brought him there. So I’ll try to make sure that the trick doesn’t work.

Not so sure 'the trick' will work in these conditions. Full dry Monza probably yes..

[AnttiL]

The starting order is somewhat interesting for R5s, obviously driven by "other interests" and not competition
You get Formaux, Østberg, Tidemand and Morbidelli
WRCs
16. Kopecky (also starting in WRC2) and then rest with Huttunen 18. Solberg 20. and Mikkelsen 26.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/66881-aci-rally-monza-2020/?leg=1

For SS1? It’s been like this always, the organizers get to showcase local drivers on TV.

[mknight]

Point is whom they decide to pick.

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/1334455282836049921

[Lead]

So this also is officially rally without spectators? Would love to see some spectators video footage from this weekend tricky stages. Or there will be only people from "local villages" like Canarias? :)

[dimviii]

watch how the gravel parts rutted

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoT4eoLXEAEO6Wh?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoT4f8CW8AEHeAm?format=jpg&name=large

[mknight]

Some of these same gravel sections will now be run in opposite direction for SS1.

[dimviii]

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[Essaj]

Oliver with a damaged car
https://twitter.com/Rally_it/status/1334459226886971392

[focus206]

We totally believe that you don't want to be a champion....
What would be the point in being remembered as the driver who managed to win the championship only in the extra short season in which most of the things were cancelled or shortened? I wouldn't be that eager either... Evans (or if a miracle happen, Neuville) will have a big asterisk next to the title.

[mknight]

What would be the point in being remembered as the driver who managed to win the championship only in the extra short season in which most of the things were cancelled or shortened? I wouldn't be that eager either... Evans (or if a miracle happen, Neuville) will have a big asterisk next to the title.

So you think it's better to be remembered as the guy that never won any championship?

[dimviii]

Jari Huttunen
@HuttunenRacing
Tyre choice in the recce was a tricky one yesterday.
Winking face with tongue
But now we are ready for the action. Bring it on Rally Monza!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoT_8csXEAEny1_?format=jpg&name=small

[mknight]

wet grass corner will be interesting, wrong braking and you drop 5-10s

[TypeR]

What would be the point in being remembered as the driver who managed to win the championship only in the extra short season in which most of the things were cancelled or shortened? I wouldn't be that eager either... Evans (or if a miracle happen, Neuville) will have a big asterisk next to the title.
BS...

Yes, the season is short, but everybody has had same chances and somebody saying ,,wouldn't like'' such WDC title is just stupid..
Neuville is the one, who wants it the most.. nobody cares about hundred 2nd place trophies..

[EstWRC]

really weird to look the cars on this stage/circuit...cant wait for saturday for proper stages

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Similar tests but not as pretty as the old RAC Rally Sunday stages for watching.

[Rally Hokkaido]

forgot your gloves,Mads?

[TypeR]

forgot your gloves,Mads?
Noticed same thing.. maybe took them off very quick and hopefully no penalty or dsq for not using safety clothes..

[Simmi]

wet grass corner will be interesting, wrong braking and you drop 5-10s

Really interesting corner. Bet they don't show it again...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The odd watersplash would've brought a bit of spectacle like the old RAC stages used to have.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ooff Taka off !

[Mirek]

And Katsuta hit the wall at the first grass corner...

[mknight]

Don't have any plan for unblocking the road? I mean surely they should have thought this might happen?

[Mirek]

Jari Huttunen
@HuttunenRacing
Tyre choice in the recce was a tricky one yesterday.
Winking face with tongue
But now we are ready for the action. Bring it on Rally Monza!

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Summer tyres with chains. I thought this was a French thing only...

[mknight]

Summer tyres with chains. I thought this was a French thing only...

Normal in northern Italy in that region at least. (SudTirol is different)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoUQazjXIAAsTRY?format=jpg&name=small

[Indreq]

Ooff Taka off !

How incredibly stupid one has to be to do something like this? He has been "learning" for ages already. Everybody knows that on such stages there is very little to win but all to lose. Everybody knows that wet grass with tarmac tires is incredibly slippery. Even if he didnt know this, he should have watched live stream of first cars and notice how they went wide there. But no, all rookie mistakes, like he is some gentleman driver being 1st time in a car...

[EstWRC]

Ogier again missing right frontaero exactly like on shakedown

[dimviii]

Ogier was faster about 1,2 sec midstage,Neuville gain at the second part.

[EstWRC]

again Evans almost spinned, jesus

[dimviii]

wow Evans a little bit wide and hewould hit the concrete with rear wheel

[mknight]

So small differences compared to SD. That's kinda bad news tbh, tomorrow with all those services between stages they will dial in and unless weather changes a lot it might be quite boring.

[EstWRC]

So small differences compared to SD. That's kinda bad news tbh, tomorrow with all those services between stages they will dial in and unless weather changes a lot it might be quite boring.

such a conclusion already after 4.3kms?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tough tests for the drivers but also for the viewers.

Good job we have the proper stages on Saturday... I couldnt watch 3 full days of these at the circuit.

[mknight]

such a conclusion already after 4.3kms?

Seems like you missed the "might" part.

[flykas]

I must say this is interesting stage with that gras trap corner. Sadly Wrcplus managed to allmost not show it at all.

[Indreq]

WRC3 drivers Huttunen and Solberg faster than WRC2 drivers Fourmaux and Ostberg... Proving again what a fail this WRC2/WRC3 splitting has been :D

[mknight]

WRC3 drivers Huttunen and Solberg faster than WRC2 drivers Fourmaux and Ostberg... Proving again what a fail this WRC2/WRC3 splitting has been :D

4 WRC3 drivers faster atm.

That said on this very stage the first 3 WRC2 drivers drove 1 hour earlier when it was more wet on the tarmac parts.

[EstWRC]

Michelin posted tyre choice 1 minute ago now :rotflmao:

Michelin #Tyre info - SS1

Toyota:
Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä/Katsuta: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Sport FW3

Hyundai
Tänak/Veiby: 5FW3
Neuville/Sordo: 4FW3

MSport:
Suninen/Lappi/Greensmith: 5FW3

[mknight]

Nice that the theories we had earlier were true.... people taking 4 tires already. But this was just 4 km, tomorrow it's 13+.

[EstWRC]

i dont get it why Tänak took the spare one

[doubled1978]

What would be the point in being remembered as the driver who managed to win the championship only in the extra short season in which most of the things were cancelled or shortened? I wouldn't be that eager either... Evans (or if a miracle happen, Neuville) will have a big asterisk next to the title.

Total rubbish mate. Sorry but whoever wins, deserves to win the championship, and it’s been the same for everyone, so you can keep your asterisk.

[EstWRC]

people can have different opinions

i know a lot of people for whom this title will be with asterisk no matter who wins it.

and then again i know people who share your opinion

[Fast Eddie WRC]

When McRae won his title in 1995 there were only 8 Rounds.

[AnttiL]

When McRae won his title in 1995 there were only 8 Rounds.

And only 7 best results counted!

[Tom K]

Absolutely do not want to make the judgment but in 1995 rallies have ~ 500 competitive km.

[mknight]

people can have different opinions

i know a lot of people for whom this title will be with asterisk no matter who wins it.

and then again i know people who share your opinion

Title with asterisk is still way more than no title imo. Neuville sounds like he thinks otherwise and I just don't believe that.

[flykas]

Well, thing about such a short championship is that it is much harder to recover from technical faults that might not be driver's error so in that sense luck plays a bigger role and I think this is evident in this championship.

[EstWRC]

Well, thing about such a short championship is that it is much harder to recover from technical faults that might not be driver's error so in that sense luck plays a bigger role and I think this is evident in this championship.

+1

finally someone mentioning it here

[AnttiL]

Well, thing about such a short championship is that it is much harder to recover from technical faults that might not be driver's error so in that sense luck plays a bigger role and I think this is evident in this championship.

Disagree. Motorsport is always a combination of human and machine. Both must work in order to win.

[AnttiL]

Absolutely do not want to make the judgment but in 1995 rallies have ~ 500 competitive km.

If you go that route then 2019 season was not worth anything either because the stage km’s are small compared to previous decades

[Päss1928]

Disagree. Motorsport is always a combination of human and machine. Both must work in order to win.

Nobody said what you mentioned isn't true, did they? But it doesn't change the fact that the fewer rallies you have, the more luck you need. If you have a technical dnf then it plays a bigger role than during a normal season. Skill wins in the long run, but the smaller the samplesize, the higher the variance. Can't see how this isn't obvious to everyone.

[EstWRC]

Neuville shakedown onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZeWfgSpgxw

Takas adventures on SS1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWTEwOdbCRw&t=27s

[mknight]

Neuville shakedown onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZeWfgSpgxw

Takas adventures on SS1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWTEwOdbCRw&t=27s

About 57 sec in on Katsuta onboard there are skidmarks and crashmarks on the right side. But nobody crashed there on stream and shakedown didn't drive that way. So wonder who crashed? One of 0 cars?

It's these marks that Greensmith probably referred to after the stage.

[djip]

When McRae won his title in 1995 there were only 8 Rounds.

Same when Lancia beat Fiat fair and square in 1974 (fuel crisis). Would all the rounds have taken place early in the year, when the Stratos was not ready, Fiat would have had a walkover. In the end everyone remembers Lancia as a "full and deserved" winner... No asterix whatsoever ...

[djip]

Well, thing about such a short championship is that it is much harder to recover from technical faults that might not be driver's error so in that sense luck plays a bigger role and I think this is evident in this championship.

True but still the same for everyone. And Neuville sounds like the voys whose toy has been taken away, now claims he is not interested. Childish. If he would be in the lead he would never make such comment ! (Ogier doesn't - he just says he'll try his best at winning). Neuville is super quick but prone to errors and has not shown iyet he can sustain end-of-season pressure to bag it in.

[EstWRC]

You can see here Neuville also with a big slide at the corner before takas corner https://www.instagram.com/p/CIVyHXjJCj_/?igshid=ft5dlot064js

[AnttiL]

Nobody said what you mentioned isn't true, did they? But it doesn't change the fact that the fewer rallies you have, the more luck you need. If you have a technical dnf then it plays a bigger role than during a normal season. Skill wins in the long run, but the smaller the samplesize, the higher the variance. Can't see how this isn't obvious to everyone.

You could also turn it around and say that long seasons are easier because you can afford one crash or technical retirement and still win the title. Remember how Ogier crashed in Finland 2017? Portugal 2018?

Luck is an element always present in this sport, there's no changing it. And seasons are different with each other, but a champion is the one who's best that year.

Furthermore, it has been an exceptional year. It would be a different thing if FIA had announced a year ago that "hey, we're gonna make the 2020 season now half shorter".

[T16]

You’ve got to ask, would Ogier or Neuville say what they’re saying, if it was them on the cusp of the title? Especially Neuville!!

Evans, if he wins, will be worthy. He’s had the same hand as everyone else and yes, luck has a bigger effect with less events, but he can only do what he can do without external intervention and he’s simply done a better job.

TBH, it’s a bit shit of Ogier or Neuville to play the championship down, it’s been a crap year for many and they should be fully congratulating the winner of the championship, whoever that may be, not adding negative spin, given the dreadful circumstances.
They’ve got a role to play in terms of representing the whole of the WRC, given their history and status and they should maybe consider not talking out on this one.

[Jarek Z]

You’ve got to ask, would Ogier or Neuville say what they’re saying, if it was them on the cusp of the title? Especially Neuville!!

Evans, if he wins, will be worthy. He’s had the same hand as everyone else and yes, luck has a bigger effect with less events, but he can only do what he can do without external intervention and he’s simply done a better job.

TBH, it’s a bit shit of Ogier or Neuville to play the championship down, it’s been a crap year for many and they should be fully congratulating the winner of the championship, whoever that may be, not adding negative spin, given the dreadful circumstances.
They’ve got a role to play in terms of representing the whole of the WRC, given their history and status and they should maybe consider not talking out on this one.

100% agree. When did WRC drivers become such pricks? Can you imagine Kankkunen or Sainz saying such bullshit like Neuville and Ogier?

[Indreq]

100% agree. When did WRC drivers become such pricks? Can you imagine Kankkunen or Sainz saying such bullshit like Neuville and Ogier?

Not everyone though, I believe Tänak said that if Evans gets it, then he is champ. No ifs and buts. But if this kind of season is reason what motivates Ogier to hang around at least one more year, then let him whine, at least he can prove next year if he still can "put his money where his mouth is".

[mknight]

At Toksport Tidemand runs on Pirellis and Kopecky on Michelin it seems, kinda weird. But I guess Kopecky wanted to use what he is familiar with.

[mmm]

You’ve got to ask, would Ogier or Neuville say what they’re saying, if it was them on the cusp of the title? Especially Neuville!!

Sorry, where can I see what they said? Haven't had time to follow that closely.

[dimviii]

WRCWings
@llluis555
Bad luck for @TakamotoKatsuta
and @danielbarritt
, today that they finally had the last evolution of the rear brake air intake. Hope tomorrow it will be better for them! #WRC #WRClive #WRCliveES #ACIRallyMonza


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[dimviii]

Petter Solberg
@Petter_Solberg
Well that was fun!
Grinning face with smiling eyes
I got a call late last night about giving a passenger ride to Giuseppe Redaelli, President of the Monza Circuit, and it was an honour to do so! Very fun to give a WRC experience in the PA Racing ŠKODA Fabia

hope you enjoyed it Giuseppe!


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[Co-driven]

Michelin posted tyre choice 1 minute ago now :rotflmao:

Michelin #Tyre info - SS1

Toyota:
Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä/Katsuta: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Sport FW3

Hyundai
Tänak/Veiby: 5FW3
Neuville/Sordo: 4FW3

MSport:
Suninen/Lappi/Greensmith: 5FW3

Not related to the P1 drivers, but
Solberg had the Sottozero tyre, but no snow at all. I don't know other WRC2/WRC3 drivers, but could this be an attempt to try and see if these work better on muddy conditions than the full wets?

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/hTeEjyJKJIQ

[Rally Power]

It’s heartbreaking to see WRC titles being decided on theses stages, no matter how ‘tricky’ they can get due to the weather or how much Porter & Co insist that they’re brilliant or fascinating.

Even if we can still have some decent action on Saturday, I really hope the series standings won’t change so that we can celebrate Evans and Martin as champs. After all, they were the best ones after the 6 proper Rallys of the season.

[focus206]

So you think it's better to be remembered as the guy that never won any championship?
No, but it's understandable to me that he values this championship less than last year's. Of course he'll try to win it if he has an improbable chance. But even Ogier said he'll stay for another year because this one didn't feel like a proper championship.



Yes, the season is short, but everybody has had same chances and somebody saying ,,wouldn't like'' such WDC title is just stupid..
Neuville is the one, who wants it the most.. nobody cares about hundred 2nd place trophies..
"it's not the right year to be champion. I discussed it with my manager and told him that I wouldn't be very proud to be crowned after a year like this."
To me it sounds like he said he simply values this championship less, not that he would refuse the trophy and the title because he doesn't like it, as you say.


Total rubbish mate. Sorry but whoever wins, deserves to win the championship, and it’s been the same for everyone, so you can keep your asterisk.
In the eventuality of Evans or Neuville winning their only title in 2020, rest assured that many will feel this way towards them in the future.
Should we not assign the title? We should. Wasn't Evans the best so far in 2020? He was. But the championship is what it is. Point is, I don't see why you are all losing your minds over some drivers who don't think that this year's championship is "just as good" as last year's.

[EstWRC]

After stage 1
@AciRallyMonza


SUPER BATTLE
@OfficialWRC
TITLE

EVANS 123 - OGIER 122

[doubled1978]

people can have different opinions

i know a lot of people for whom this title will be with asterisk no matter who wins it.

and then again i know people who share your opinion

They can of course, and normally I’m a guy who can accept both sides of an argument. But on this, I’m sorry I just think it’s total none sense to try and devalue a title through circumstances beyond anyone’s control, and it’s not like they are trying to award it after Mexico. The WEC only has 6/7 rounds, never heard anyone say that is not a WC worthy of the name.
My personal opinion is people are trying to use the global circumstances to justify why their favourite didn’t win...as has been said, Motorsport has always been about man and machine, so if your car breaks down it doesn’t mean you deserve to be champion. To this point Evans/Toyota have done the best job, so deserve the lead.
I couldn’t care less who wins the title, I just want it to be exciting, and from the look of the weather forecast, it should be.

[EstWRC]

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[focus206]

When McRae won his title in 1995 there were only 8 Rounds.
Indeed, and who knows something about the 1995 season, knows that McRae was helped by the short season and by Sainz having to miss 1 of the 8 rounds. McRae's fame largely overshwadowed this in later years, but it's not that 1995 was such an odd season: in 1994 there were 10 rounds, in 1996 9 rounds. And in 1993, top drivers weren't yet competing for the full calendar, so 1st place Kankkunen ran 10 rounds, 2nd place Delecour 9 rounds. Not a big difference for that era.

[pantealex]

focus206

Is Colin real champion for you ?
That season had 8 rallies, 7 best were counted

What about 1986 ? When Alen was champion for 1,5weeks and after that they changed SanRemo results

What about all other years ?

I have to say that I don´t remember how many rallies each year had.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvohhWbI8pY

[wyler]

It’s heartbreaking to see WRC titles being decided on theses stages, no matter how ‘tricky’ they can get due to the weather or how much Porter & Co insist that they’re brilliant or fascinating.

Even if we can still have some decent action on Saturday, I really hope the series standings won’t change so that we can celebrate Evans and Martin as champs. After all, they were the best ones after the 6 proper Rallys of the season.

6 proper Rallys?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://youtu.be/hTeEjyJKJIQ

If they filmed just these in-field parts it would look so much better than all those ugly barriers and chicanes on the track.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1334558032332787718

[AnttiL]

Indeed, and who knows something about the 1995 season, knows that McRae was helped by the short season and by Sainz having to miss 1 of the 8 rounds. McRae's fame largely overshwadowed this in later years, but it's not that 1995 was such an odd season: in 1994 there were 10 rounds, in 1996 9 rounds. And in 1993, top drivers weren't yet competing for the full calendar, so 1st place Kankkunen ran 10 rounds, 2nd place Delecour 9 rounds. Not a big difference for that era.

In 1996 the drivers could pick 7 best from the 9 rounds. In 1994 8 best from 10. In 1993 and before the calendar had typically 12-13 rounds but only the best 7-8 was counted. Biasion won his titles in 1988 and 1989 with 7 and 6 starts respectively. In 1987 all of the three Lancia drivers were given equally 7 starts.

It was very untypical to do full seasons before 1995. The closest one I know is Alen in 1986, all rallies except Ivory Coast.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Friday leaders to benefit if it snows on Saturday...

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2020/wrc/snow-expected-to-provide-saturday-shake-up-in-italy/

[dimviii]

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[Rally Power]

6 proper Rallys?

Those maily run on Rally roads, not in circuit tracks and its surroundings.

[pantealex]

Not related to the P1 drivers, but
Solberg had the Sottozero tyre, but no snow at all. I don't know other WRC2/WRC3 drivers, but could this be an attempt to try and see if these work better on muddy conditions than the full wets?

He (and all other) has only 8 of those tyres. So I´m pretty sure that he was not using those.
Check Bulletin4. It says max number of Sottozero is 8.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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[wyler]

Those maily run on Rally roads, not in circuit tracks and its surroundings.

yeah thank you, now I got it.
even tough, hard to consider 2020 sweden a "proper rally" anyway.
For god's sake! (cit.)

[dimviii]

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[djip]

In 1996 the drivers could pick 7 best from the 9 rounds. In 1994 8 best from 10. In 1993 and before the calendar had typically 12-13 rounds but only the best 7-8 was counted. Biasion won his titles in 1988 and 1989 with 7 and 6 starts respectively. In 1987 all of the three Lancia drivers were given equally 7 starts.

It was very untypical to do full seasons before 1995. The closest one I know is Alen in 1986, all rallies except Ivory Coast.

Even "worse" : Inthese days drivers did not compete on equal footing as some entered more events than others, and some events were poorerly supported and by just finishing you were guaranteed a top 3 finish. This did not make the likes of Biasion, Sainz etc... less worthy champions ....

[Eli]

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looks like a WRX weekend when seeing all the cars together like that lol

[Co-driven]

He (and all other) has only 8 of those tyres. So I´m pretty sure that he was not using those.
Check Bulletin4. It says max number of Sottozero is 8.

Attached is one photo from his Instagram stories...

I see now that he did first run of Shakedown he did with the snow tyres, just don't know which was his tire choice for SS 1.

[AnttiL]

Even "worse" : Inthese days drivers did not compete on equal footing as some entered more events than others, and some events were poorerly supported and by just finishing you were guaranteed a top 3 finish. This did not make the likes of Biasion, Sainz etc... less worthy champions ....

Yeah, for instance Sainz got NZ 1990 ”for free”. It was not a manufacturer round so the only proper opposition was Ingvar Carlsson’s tiny Mazda! Almost same in 1992 with only the Subarus of McRae and Vatanen (not yet a team capable of winning) against Sainz.

[wyler]

looks like a WRX weekend when seeing all the cars together like that lol

@anttil: nailed it! ;)

[AnttiL]

Inside information from an M-Sport engineer

https://twitter.com/steffwilliams26/status/1334563708949893125


Michelin RC2 runners have access to the latest wet (MW1) tyre. WRC crews are on the older spec FW3

[focus206]

focus206

Is Colin real champion for you ?
That season had 8 rallies, 7 best were counted

What about 1986 ? When Alen was champion for 1,5weeks and after that they changed SanRemo results

What about all other years ?

I have to say that I don´t remember how many rallies each year had.
Yes, I consider him a "real champion", even though Sainz was unlucky to miss New Zealand. As it was said, even if 1995 had the least amount of championship rounds ran (until 2020...), it wasn't much different from the other seasons of that era. 1996 with 9 rounds total, 1994 with 10 rounds total, prior to that calendars were bigger but nobody used to run all rallies of the season.

[mknight]

We talked about it before and I think the tire situation is actually quite interesting in multiple ways

- can snow tires be sometimes better than wet tires due to temperature or due to the gravel parts? From Solbergs try it looks like they are not much worse at least

- with only 12 wet and 8 snow tires can management by picking "the other tire" can be a factor?



Inside information from an M-Sport engineer

https://twitter.com/steffwilliams26/status/1334563708949893125

"Michelin RC2 runners have access to the latest wet (MW1) tyre. WRC crews are on the older spec FW3"

I am more interested in the Michelin-Pirelli comparison (than WRC-RC2) in unusual conditions, one of them might be much better. (remember Pirelli in WRC 2003-2004 on wet tarmac?)
Imo on Canarias Michelin wet tire looked faster on very wet roads (with temps around 10-15 deg). Pirelli wets were faster on less wet road.

Here it should be very wet, but much colder.

One particularly interesting point is then Kopecky and Tidemand in same team on different tires. Kopecky is usually a faster tarmac driver though.

[mknight]

Onboards up, Neuville was out on braking in the same barrier that Katsuta drove trough. Lost 1-2 secs there easily.
Veiby was out there as well, but no onboard of that.

Østberg was very far out on the grass.
Tidemand hit the wall basically same as Katsuta but didn't destroy anything.

...and alllive managed to miss it all.

[dimviii]

Onboards up, Neuville was out on braking in the same barrier that Katsuta drove trough. Lost 1-2 secs there easily.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Want to argue with King Carlos ?

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sainz-short-season-shouldnt-undermine-fantastic-evans/

[Jarek Z]

Want to argue with King Carlos ?

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sainz-short-season-shouldnt-undermine-fantastic-evans/

That's what I was talking about. Class act!

[T16]

That's what I was talking about. Class act!

That'll do for me too.

[T16]

Gwyndaf is a big part of memories I have from an amazing time in rallying. It's hard not to be drawn to the guy, I've admired him for years.
Got a knot in my stomach tonight, thinking about what Elfyn might achieve.
I saw, first hand, how proud he was when Elfyn dominated in Wales 2017.
I can't imagine what he's going to be like if he does win it.
Come on Elfyn.

[Jarek Z]

I remember Gwyndaf Evans too. I have never been to Great Britain to watch rallying, but I saw reports from the British rally championship on Eurosport at the end of the nineties. At that time people were saying that after banning 4WD cars rallying can't be exciting anymore, but it wasn't true. I may be mixing various years, but I think Gwyndaf was one of the stars of this championship together with Alister McRae, Robbie Head and Tapio Laukkanen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQKHHkHXcAA048l?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Good luck to Elfyn!

[NickRally]

https://youtu.be/hTeEjyJKJIQ

It has probably already been mentioned here - It kind of reminds me of the 70's and 80's RAC rally early spectator stages.

[NickRally]

In 1996 the drivers could pick 7 best from the 9 rounds. In 1994 8 best from 10. In 1993 and before the calendar had typically 12-13 rounds but only the best 7-8 was counted. Biasion won his titles in 1988 and 1989 with 7 and 6 starts respectively. In 1987 all of the three Lancia drivers were given equally 7 starts.

It was very untypical to do full seasons before 1995. The closest one I know is Alen in 1986, all rallies except Ivory Coast.

Not to mention 1983 when Lancia's number 1 driver plainly refused to win the title. Did this diminish Mikkola's title - not in my mind, and I was supporting Rohrl.

Ogier didn't do himself any favours by saying what he said, but we are all humans.

[mknight]

Anyone has some decently working splits?

The "live timing" on WRC doesn't really update and the ones on live maps are a bit messy to watch since you can only see one split at a time.

EDIT: nvm they are here: https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimes

[er88]

I think Ogier's comments appear harsher than they actually are. For him, I would find it totally understandable if he would find this seasons title "lesser" than his other 6. Particular when viewed against his 1st title, or the titles won with Msport which are standouts.

However when Neuville makes the comments like he has, it just sounds like sour grapes and a bit petty, considering he hasn't yet won a title himself (when he should've).

Imo a title is a title - whoever wins it deserves it. Whether 7 rallies or 16. Shorter rallies, or longer rallies. All the drivers this year have been in the same position, and Evans has made the best of it. In a shorter season, mistakes are penalised even more - and Tanak made a rally ending mistake in Monte and then another mistake in Mexico that cost him the win and a few more pts. Neuville had a very poor Sweden and then a rally ending mistake in Estonia. Both have had cruel luck as well with mechanical issues, but that's also a part of rallying. Ogier has had a mechanical in Turkey, but also has to look at himself for losing vital points when Kalle overhauled him on the power stage in Sweden, and when Neuville beat him in Sardinia.

Evans has done the best job so far and iirc has made no real mistakes. If he wins, I wouldn't view this as a tainted or lesser title. So i agree with King Carlos.

[mknight]

Why doesn't anyone use tire-warmers now? (F1-style electric ones) Banned in some way or just didn't think about it?

[dimviii]

Why doesn't anyone use tire-warmers now? (F1-style electric ones) Banned in some way or just didn't think about it?

because you need service crew at every stage=cost

Good morning guys,wish to have a good fight,and may the fastest win!

[bluuford]

Why doesn't anyone use tire-warmers now? (F1-style electric ones) Banned in some way or just didn't think about it?

Banned

[EstWRC]

pretty wet and raining and still quite dark out there

[mknight]

because you need service crew at every stage=cost


Here on circuit you would need just one. Thx bluuford for clarification.

WRC cars got 2 extra wet tires allocated (bulletin n7 decision), over the 12 they had before.... while WRC2/3 quote is unchanged at 12.

[DoN_cz]

Great to see WRC+ working very well on a circuit.