Rallye WRC Monte Carlo 2019

[KKS]

Finally Sarazin feeling home in this dry tarmac conditions. Fastest on splits

[er88]

Ogier saying he can push more etc, but he looks a bit concerned. Neuville still happier with that car after the updates pre Spain it seems

[EstWRC]

lets see with the next stage now with being verry narrow and bumpy, i remember Toyotas last year not being very good on there and Hyundais love it.

[tommeke_B]

Ogier sweating like a pig, saying "I can push more". No you can't, we all know... :D

[dimviii]

Ogier sweating like a pig, saying "I can push more". No you can't, we all know... :D

hahahahaha

[mknight]

Check out the splits of the Polos up the hill. Strong engine compared to the other R5 cars?

[KKS]

Ogier sweating like a pig, saying "I can push more". No you can't, we all know... :D
typical liar

[AnttiL]

Ogier sweating like a pig, saying "I can push more". No you can't, we all know... :D

Equally true as Tänak saying he doesn't know where the puncture came from or Neuville saying on Saturday night that he's not going for the win on Sunday :D

What an epic finale again! So much for "Sunday drives"

[dimviii]

live

https://m.twitch.tv/flashday

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd #BBP
‏

@KiwiWRCfan

⚡️ #WRC Stat Flash ⚡️
Ott Tanak has now won stages totaling 132.55 km which is more than all other drivers combined who have won stages totaling 125.67 km

[EstWRC]

Meeke just loves this stage

[KKS]

Tanak slower

[Rallyper]

Blablabla.. from commentators, when I want to listen what they say to each other.

[Eli]

Blablabla.. from commentators, when I want to listen what they say to each other.

They're horrid and need to be replaced asap.

[EstWRC]

Latvala not giving up

[mknight]

In case you don't recall, last year this stage was:
1st pass Neuville, Mikkelsen, Meeke
2nd pass Meeke, Neuville, Mikkelsen

So those 2 should be up.

[EstWRC]

Horrible understeer in the begnning of the stage from Ott from heli shots. nice recovery

[Tauri_J]

wow are they really comparing stage time from 2018? terrible comparison

[KKS]

3rd for Tanak already

[mknight]

wow are they really comparing stage time from 2018? terrible comparison

Well it was mostly dry on first pass, totally on 2nd. But most drivers had some tire compromise, not those 3 that I mentioned.

[er88]

Jari not happy

[tommeke_B]

Judging stage-end comments, Latvala should make an appointment with his psychologist tomorrow.

[mknight]

Loeb slower than Suninen (who does his first Monte in WRC car) on dry tarmac. Shakes head and says he can't do more.

Nuff said.

[Tauri_J]

Well it was mostly dry on first pass, totally on 2nd. But most drivers had some tire compromise, not those 3 that I mentioned.

this isnt circuit racing, conditions are not similar.

[EstWRC]

why dont they change the stages? Col de Turini for power stage and this one first in the morning.

[tommeke_B]

Loeb slower than Suninen (who does his first Monte in WRC car) on dry tarmac. Shakes head and says he can't do more.

Nuff said.

Neuville can do more.

[Rallyper]

Judging stage-end comments, Latvala should make an appointment with his psychologist tomorrow.

Why? Still faster than Loeb and everyone complains their own way.

[mknight]

Neuville can do more.

Yes Loeb just forgot how to drive on tarmac. It's called Mikkelsen-flu.

[EstWRC]

Ogier having some issue with the car by his comments, cant be big

[KKS]

this isnt circuit racing, conditions are not similar.
I glad that someone understand that. Despite some TV and forum commentators:up:

[dimviii]

Ogier having some issue with the car by his comments, cant be big

maybe not at all.

[Negaiss]

Nothing is over ! Loeb remebered the stages now ! Second pass should be much better.

[Rallyper]

My All Live goes down every five minutes on my IPad. Only have to restart on Menu and it´s working again… Same for you, guys?

[er88]

Think he's probably just not happy with the times. I reckon he thought he'd be comfortable today as the C3 is great on this sort of tarmac/conditions, but the competition is so close between the drivers/cars.

Can't be anything mechanical wrong with that sort of time he posted....

[KKS]

maybe not at all.
Driver is an integral part of a car. And it defensively some issue with that :D

[dimviii]

My All Live goes down every five minutes on my IPad. Only have to restart on Menu and it´s working again… Same for you, guys?

this playing faultless Per
just 2 beers,very cheap

https://m.twitch.tv/flashday

[Tauri_J]

Nothing is over ! Loeb remebered the stages now ! Second pass should be much better.
If that makes you feel better

[dimviii]

Nothing is over ! Loeb remebered the stages now ! Second pass should be much better.

i dont think so.If a driver isnt comfortable at the car,dont wait something more.

Ciamin with r5 just 6,7 sec slower at 13,6 kms

[EstWRC]

More
Sunday mind games round 1

Ogier "I have a small issue"

Neuville "I had to play too much with the engine mappings and I lost the brakes"

[dimviii]

SUN 09:52 - SÉBASTIEN OGIER
Some news just come in, Sébastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia are working on their Citroën C3 WRC on the road section.

[EstWRC]

shit, i hope it isnt serious.

[Ucci]

Watching those stage times by Tanak makes me really worried. If other drivers will not reset their minds, Ott will be champion at the end of summer 2019.

[HarriK]

Ogier moving on road section.

[dimviii]

De Mevius
https://www.facebook.com/ArdechoRallye/videos/308844913309455/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARA2LQBuVA9h66dt3h9oBVIgVh_OB5rm_ocmEz6zoaaCYL NbVinaAAjUnQMEsYCMTz39z5hbXoqXgYeE&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBHZn5DPQlgfFaMmkWBHHl4TcQfvOw1 BDxPV3geroUGVDS1jt9FWcoNW1K3hz_6c9CrpthtmgNoaUxbJv TN2AdGNXhrijqdw-GpM45-4mDsKYQNSwHpMAnn9fCjEQrpErmWC7ayF4gbw4xZoXby6rId7S 8WmUJgcj5mDszXMKEugWwY0kOB9gXnaFt5Qu_fsdRq0pHHE8GB 99EomzmbPIsVOH-DT4KC4OI0ga7YtxIp1XNoQbdyDCgmTT_ka25Pl5u6bpwrx2q2m P1XMSRa0GNpHpLONtOLl6zVvk5PlUOb5-YruNY3M4VZvzM0pVejpnbJN7ikhVI2Xs3B0UYnyyQyn3B3A1pa PX3fQ9ylwjSEJl-te7CFnJC52X8rT6x6-fk

[Norm75]

Not sure if his pacenotes refer to the gear he should be in, but I’m pretty sure that corner was called as a 3 and he was in 6th.
If the above is correct (and like I said, I’m not 100% sure) then is it possible getting used to new co driver and getting the delivery of the notes more to his liking?
Bloody quick trip into the trees, no matter what the cause and glad they’re ok.

I think I heard Julian mention Elfyns old pcenote system went up to number 9, whereas Scotts pace notes went up to 6, so there will be an element of learning going on.

[KKS]

I think I heard Julian mention Elfyns old pcenote system went up to number 9, whereas Scotts pace notes went up to 6, so there will be an element of learning going on.
Are you sure? Usually new co-driver use a driver pacenotes system

[T16]

Are you sure? Usually new co-driver use a driver pacenotes system

Norm75 may well mean that Scott is the one doing the learning.

[Morte66]

Blablabla.. from commentators, when I want to listen what they say to each other.

I've been watching the Daytona 24 stream between Monte stages. So much better commentary, and free if you're outside the USA. https://imsatv.imsa.com/

[BigWorm]

De Mevius
https://www.facebook.com/ArdechoRallye/videos/308844913309455/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARA2LQBuVA9h66dt3h9oBVIgVh_OB5rm_ocmEz6zoaaCYL NbVinaAAjUnQMEsYCMTz39z5hbXoqXgYeE&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBHZn5DPQlgfFaMmkWBHHl4TcQfvOw1 BDxPV3geroUGVDS1jt9FWcoNW1K3hz_6c9CrpthtmgNoaUxbJv TN2AdGNXhrijqdw-GpM45-4mDsKYQNSwHpMAnn9fCjEQrpErmWC7ayF4gbw4xZoXby6rId7S 8WmUJgcj5mDszXMKEugWwY0kOB9gXnaFt5Qu_fsdRq0pHHE8GB 99EomzmbPIsVOH-DT4KC4OI0ga7YtxIp1XNoQbdyDCgmTT_ka25Pl5u6bpwrx2q2m P1XMSRa0GNpHpLONtOLl6zVvk5PlUOb5-YruNY3M4VZvzM0pVejpnbJN7ikhVI2Xs3B0UYnyyQyn3B3A1pa PX3fQ9ylwjSEJl-te7CFnJC52X8rT6x6-fk

He can't stop crashing...

[Morte66]

My All Live goes down every five minutes on my IPad. Only have to restart on Menu and it´s working again… Same for you, guys?

It has been OK since Friday evening on my PC using Chrome. *crosses fingers*

[Rally Power]

i dont think so.If a driver isnt comfortable at the car,dont wait something more.


Besides the lack of experience on the car, it’s hard to be fast on a sprint after runing a complete marathon. Hopefully in Sweden Loeb will be again in Master mode!

Hope Ogier can fix whatever issue he’s having and be able to figth till the PS end; he and Neuville are doing a fantastic job. So is Fourmaux, the young French is now in the top 10, on his first MC and second R5 outing!

[dimviii]

changing settings?

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2019/post-157-0-63365000-1548583039.jpg

[dimviii]

live

https://m.twitch.tv/rallyfansestonia

[Norm75]

@kks and T16
Or maybe even a combination of both

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
‏

@HartusvuoriWRC

Neuville came through like a mad man!

[Negaiss]

Tidemand 20 sec faster than first run. Suninen 23 sec faster.

[mufcAleksi]

Latvala lost 5 secs in third split

[RS]

Well the tv footage managed to strip the Turini stage of all atmosphere and excitement.

[EstWRC]

wow OGIERS SPLITS

[KKS]

Very good 4th sector by Tidemand nearly same time as Tanak

[Essaj]

No splits coming in from Neuville

E: now one came in from 12kms

[EstWRC]

Neuville 6 secs faster than Tänak sin split 3

[EstWRC]

neuville virtually leading after split 3

[KKS]

Ott win 3rd spot in straight fight! Now just need to finish

[mufcAleksi]

Ogier +3,7 to Neuville!!

[EstWRC]

we will have an epic final stage guys! just epic!

[BigWorm]

My goodness.

[dimviii]

citroen better top speed at straight from live

[Ha3aP]

we will have an epic final stage guys! just epic!
no! JUST EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!

[AL14]

Little sad story: I will not be able to follow the last stage. The end.

[KKS]

Tidemand 2nd fastest on 4th sector. He had that speed! He need just millage and confidence in a car.

[Rallyper]

Little sad story: I will not be able to follow the last stage. The end.

Feel pity for you. Hope it´s only work or something. And nothing serious.

[Negaiss]

Little sad story: I will not be able to follow the last stage. The end.

Even on smartphone ? I would still watch it secretly even I was on my own wedding !

[cosmin_sb]

what a rally, suspense to the end !!

[AL14]

Feel pity for you. Hope it´s only work or something. And nothing serious.

No no, nothing serious. Thanks for asking :)

[AL14]

Even on smartphone ? I would still watch it secretly even I was on my own wedding !

lol Maybe I can give a watch from time to time hiding it a little bit ahaha

[cali]

lol Maybe I can give a watch from time to time hiding it a little bit ahahaThat's the spirit!

[KKS]

0.4 gap and as a reminder Ogier was 0.1 slower on PS 1st pass... oh it gonna be tough

[JUF]

Little sad story: I will not be able to follow the last stage. The end.
Same here :(. Will be on the plane to Beirut tuen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Little sad story: I will not be able to follow the last stage. The end.

I'm the opposite.. couldnt watch so far but I'm back for the finale ! :)

[dimviii]

what an epic rally guys!! may the faster wins!!!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx6UyxiWkAAfvFU.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well the tv footage managed to strip the Turini stage of all atmosphere and excitement.

Just re-watching on WRC+... you wouldnt know it was the magical Turini. Awful coverage.

[KKS]

Is a regroup before PS as always? First we may see WRC2 cars? Any startlist?

[Googol]

It's hard to capture magic into TV coverage. The amount of people on the top looked low though. Maybe they were hiding.

[RS]

It's hard to capture magic into TV coverage. The amount of people on the top looked low though. Maybe they were hiding.

It would be nice if they made this stage a night stage again, perhaps have today’s pair as the opening stages on a Thursday evening.

[ToughMac]

It's hard to capture magic into TV coverage. The amount of people on the top looked low though. Maybe they were hiding.

A lot of the magic is to do with the weather too. The fact it is so dry this year with a distinct lack of ice just makes the pass over Turini look like just another stage.

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd #BBP
‏

@KiwiWRCfan

Are you ready for 6 times world champ versus Mr 00.7

Reminder of 4 closest wins in #WRC history
0.2 sec Jordan 2011 #Ogier beat Latvala
0.3 sec New Zealand 2007 Gronholm beat Loeb
0.7 sec Argentina 2017 #Neuville beat Evans
0.7 sec Sardinia 2018 #Neuville beat Ogier

[dimviii]

power stage start list

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/52398_edzecz.jpg

[EstWRC]

so many R5s before the main guys? weird decision, i get it that you show some of them because there havent left much drivers but 8 ?

[jonkka]

Is a regroup before PS as always? First we may see WRC2 cars? Any startlist?

Yes - in order to reverse the running order.

[Essaj]

so many R5s before the main guys? weird decision, i get it that you show some of them because there havent left much drivers but 8 ?

They have set tv times and want the climax to the end of the broadcast so when many WRC drivers retire they need to bring in R5s

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think Ogier does have something more to give and can beat Neuville on the PS and win the rally. I'm not sure Neuville can push more or will want to take the risk. He must've learned by now that he has to score consistent points to challenge for the title.

[dodge33cymru]

so many R5s before the main guys? weird decision, i get it that you show some of them because there havent left much drivers but 8 ?Disagree - that's a great step forward for me. More of this please. (Yes, I'd rather they show them afterwards in the correct order but baby steps...)

[dimviii]

live
https://www.twitch.tv/flashday

[andyone]

Looks like Neuville is determined and he can i think Ogier is not invincible

Sent from my ANE-LX3 using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

of course live maps not working now when i need it most

E: and just as i wrote it started working

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb:
#RallyeMonteCarlo SS15-P5: 'We try! We still attacked hard enough but not visibly enough. We're trying to adjust the car to stabilize it. It's taking experience for the future '

[RS]

Camera positions on Kalle’s Fabia are good, you can actually see the road.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Brilliant rally by Gus Greensmith.

[TypeR]

Tidemand stopped just after start? or gps error..?

e: no problem, everything ok

[KKS]

switched wrc+ to Spanish just because no Jon there :/

[Googol]

Seems start times are 3 minutes later than announced. So in the live maps the time is running, but the car is still at start.

[KKS]

Seems start times are 3 minutes later than announced. So in the live maps the time is running, but the car is still at start.
3min delay for all cars

[Simmi]

First WRC point for Adrien Fourmaux. Maybe he'll be one to remember?

Only his 17th rally ever. Just his 2nd in a 4WD car. First at WRC level. Doesn't get much better than that!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@MSportLtd

�� Congratulations to @GreensmithGus and @EAERallying who have secured their maiden victory at this weekend’s #RallyeMonteCarlo. An impressive breakthrough drive from the young Brits all weekend �� #WRCLive #FordPerformance

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx6lcFeX4AAj0N8.jpg

[EstWRC]

Meeke on it!

[KKS]

Latvala slow again

[er88]

Hope these bastards focus on the lead fight with their coverage, but I doubt it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job by Kris on his comeback in the new team/car. :)

[Tauri_J]

Latvala is shit this weekend

[dodge33cymru]

Not the deepest of fields (compared to Sweden for example) but a couple of really good RC2 performances from Greensmith (21 y.o., first Monte) and Formeaux (2nd ever 4WD rally) this weekend, taking it to (relative) veterans like Sarrazin and Bonato. Obviously Kalle too, for the speed if not consistency.

Now onto the big show...

[EstWRC]

Tänak not fast, why he doesnt want to get the PS points, always taking the PS stage steady

[Morte66]

Well, Meeke didn't crash going mad on the PS. And he will get at least one PS point. :)

[er88]

Jari nowhere on pace but loebs even slower

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems Latvala hasnt got a clue on set-up after all these years.

[KKS]

1st split from Neu not impressed (

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Manu points by Loeb - job done.

[EstWRC]

haha Meekes face when seeing Ott was slower.

awesome time from him.

E: ok Ott admitting he didnt push

[er88]

Superb from Meeke.

[KKS]

Ogier 1.5 down

[itix]

The real miracle this rally must be that Meeke finished.
Was it just a fluke or did he finally find his mojo?

[EstWRC]

Neuville very slow


E. wrong splits

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mistake ?

[KKS]

and3.1 up )))

[dodge33cymru]

Show ogier already!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier is still the Man.

[mousti]

Neuville lost it yesterday with his mistake..

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[N.O.T]

Potato dog loses again...

what a surprise...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New team, new car, same result. Ogier :champion:

[EstWRC]

what a guy he is. Again new car, new team and winner again. speechless

[Rallyper]

Ogier, the only one without problems.
Master mode.
Congratulations!

[er88]

What a legend Ogier is. Great win and great rally. Neuville lost it with his mistake

[MartijnS]

Yes! Perfect start of the season :D

[Negaiss]

Suninen got 1 point in powerstage.

[BigWorm]

A fantastic Monte edition! Good action between many spots!

[NoFear85]

4 season, 3 different manu, 4 wins, thats the man, Mr. Seb Ogier, deserve win. He start the season in same way thet he finish previous.

[dodge33cymru]

Wow, what a win and what a rally, but what drives from both of the top two, right to the end; Neuville just as much a part of that as Ogier. Hopefully the Citroen makes it back the final control without issue.

Still think Tanak is favourite for the season overall after this weekend.

Bring on Sweden!

[Sulland]

Hat off for Ogier.

He seems a bit arrogant from time to time, but winning MC for 7th time and 6 in a row in 3 different cars is impressive!

[EstWRC]

Did the 3 championship contenders were on the same podium last year?

i dont remember that they were.

[Mintexmemory]

Hat off for Ogier.

He seems a bit arrogant from time to time, but winning MC for 7th time and 6 in a row in 3 different cars is impressive!

Actually 4 (to match Rohrl) - you forgot the IRC Peugeot

[EstWRC]

https://www.upload.ee/image/9482794/Screenshot_2019-01-27_14.25.37.png

[Morte66]

Can somebody who understands these things calculate where Tanak and Meeke would be if they had lost no time to punctures?

[I appreciate that maybe they had (some of) the punctures because they were cutting harder than the other drivers, and to avoid them they would have to go slower. But it would be interesting to know the times.]

[Augury]

Did the 3 championship contenders were on the same podium last year?

i dont remember that they were.

They were in Corsica:

1710

[TWRC]

What a great rally! Masterful by Ogier, but also very well done to Meeke, Tänak, Loeb and Neuville as well. This is Ogier's first win in a Citroën in almost 7.5 years, and also this is the first time a Citroën driver is leading the championship in 6 years...

[steve.mandzij]

Congrats to Ogier, well deserved victory, but that power stage was shit with everyone playing it safe until the end.

Also I'm amazed at Latvala's breakdown. He showed the entire amplitude of his mental state in a whole season in just three days. I hope he can bounce back from this one. Surely disappointing to miss out on a podium like that.

And then again, of course, hats off to Tanak, who would have surely won the rally without his puncture.

[KKS]

very poor middle of a stage that make a difference for Neuville

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx6uuMaWkAE52nN.jpg

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier,fully deserved win.Also congrats to Neuville,amazing pace,pitty his mistake cost him the win.
Very pleased about Meeke performance,he deserves a wrc seat,hope he can rebirth at Toyota.

Guys this year will be more amazing,cant wait for Sweden.

[itix]

very poor middle of a stage that make a difference for NeuvilleYeah and Neuville would have won without his mistake.
In the end Ogier won though because he took it easy with the cuts on the aggressive stage where Tänak punctured and he took it easy on the corner where Neuville went off.

Hats of to the champion!

[stefanvv]

hats off to Tanak, who would have surely won the rally without his puncture.

I'm not so sure about that.

Masterclass from Ogier.

[Mintexmemory]

Peugeot 208 / Polo / Fiesta / C3 - 4 Monte winning cars.
All of Rohrl’s 4 wins were in different makes

[NickRally]

What a driver Ogier is!

[Kradovech]

Indeed what a start to the season! Of course the epic fight between Ogier and Neuville up until to last second. But the same can be said about the fight between Latvala and Loeb, everything was possible until the end! And then Tänak climbing cradually to the podium after the mid-stage tire stage on Friday...

Lets hope for more of the same for the upcoming rallies!

[Rally Power]

VW, Ford, Citroen, no matter what car he drives Ogier is simply the best. Besides Ogier and Ingrassia legendary achievements it’s fair to also praise Citroen and PSA for keeping their faith on the team and their bet on the sport, despite previous seasons issues and criticisms. Congrats also for Neuville/Guilsoul and Hyundai for making the rally so exciting till the end.

Yep, we’re living a fantastic WRC era and it looks we’re going to have another outstanding season! (hope All Live will be able to cope!)

[itix]

Peugeot 208 / Polo / Fiesta / C3 - 4 Monte winning cars.
All of Rohrl’s 4 wins were in different makesOgier has never won it in a 208...
207 however... (after checking his results)

[Eli]

Peugeot 208 / Polo / Fiesta / C3 - 4 Monte winning cars.
All of Rohrl’s 4 wins were in different makes

you mean 207 S2000 ;) Anyhow, hat's off to Ogier. Well deserved win for him & Citroen who make it win number 100?

[EstWRC]

final leg results https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/?leg=4

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier has never won it in a 208...
207 however... (after checking his results)
I’m 64 ffs - the first thing to go is the ... whadjacallit!

[itix]

I’m 64 ffs - the first thing to go is the ... whadjacallit!

Hahaha don't worry. I'm 30 and mine is going too. At least you got to 64 before starting to lose yer thingy.

[Mirek]

Great rally! And a funny new spectating experience for me... Watching wrc+ everytime I sat on a ski lift 😁

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And Ogier won with a car problem too:
"We had this problem with the throttle and it was pushing the car on the brakes so it was tough. I am very happy. Six years in a row with three different cars!"
#WRC #C3WRC https://t.co/kLlDpwBQFx

[Japé]

Great to have so tight fight until the finish line + 3rd place fight.

Could anyone say that Citroen would have had this win, if they would had continued with last years driver lineup available (Al-Qassimi, Breen, Loeb, Meeke, Ostberg)? Was it just about Ogier or has car improved as well?

[cali]

Great to have so tight fight until the finish line + 3rd place fight.

Could anyone say that Citroen would have had this win, if they would had continued with last years driver lineup available (Al-Qassimi, Breen, Loeb, Meeke, Ostberg)? Was it just about Ogier or has car improved as well?Looking at Lappi's stage times you would assume that it's the driver who counts the most

[doubled1978]

Great effort from Ogier, no mistakes and good pace throughout...
Neuville excellent too, just that one error cost him the win..
Tanak, good pace except Friday which was strange..almost like the loss of stage 3 affected his mentality..
Loeb good effort in the circumstances, and good points for Hyundai
Latavala, ahhhhh..I like him but the up and down pace is so frustrating, at least no mistakes trying to out perform his level on this rally.
Meeke, very good...we only really got to see his true pace on 2 stages, the first and the last..everything else was just driving round.
Greensmith excellent, fast when he needed to be, safe when he needed to be...

[EstWRC]

nice table, pretty expensive too i would say.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx7E0JaV4AAjgo7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx7eY3jX4AY80cJ.jpg

[mknight]

Can somebody who understands these things calculate where Tanak and Meeke would be if they had lost no time to punctures?

[I appreciate that maybe they had (some of) the punctures because they were cutting harder than the other drivers, and to avoid them they would have to go slower. But it would be interesting to know the times.]

Obviously it's highly hypotetical. On one hand you can say that they (mostly Meeke) were just "cruising" after the punctures and didn't need to risk. On the other hand it gave them road position advantage on Saturday morning and they had no pressure on them (which especially for Meeke is imo rather important).

The time lost relative to the stage winner:
Tanak: 2:22
Meeke: 1:01+3:51+0:49=5:32

This would give Tanak winning by 7 secs and Meeke 6s behind Ogier on 3rd. Anyway this is extremely idealized cause they probably wouldn't have matched/won the stages as Toyotas weren't really dominant on Friday with times mostly around 3-5 even on same tires and for Meeke on Thursday Neuville had better tires on that SS.

A little bit more realistic time losses:

Using Ogiers time from first pass as a measure for Tanak since I believe they had same tires on both passes Tanak would loose 2:07:
In total time that places Tanak 8s behind Ogier on 3rd place - so definitely fighting for win, but not clearly first, that can be also said about the idealized conclusion

for Meeke we can use Ogier and Tanak as reference (timeloss relative to Tanak and difference to Ogier on SS1 used for SS2, timeloss to Ogier on SS4 used for SS7 and time gain relative to Tanak and Ogier on SS5 used for SS8 time), giving time losses of: 0:43 + 3:28 +0:46 => 4:57
This gives 30s behind Ogier - so maybe not really in the top 3 fight (Ogier, Neuville, Tanak), but safely 4th

Note that this is fast calculation without doublechecking so there surely are some errors for Meeke's calculation, but it gives an indication.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k32b-M_bPWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpO9EjHm1gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6I93re9RX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNPpV9MIZo

[Morte66]

Obviously it's highly hypotetical.

Of course, but thank you for doing the math.

Well, for what it's worth, it points to an interesting year amongst the fast crowd.

[Morte66]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k32b-M_bPWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpO9EjHm1gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6I93re9RX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNPpV9MIZo

OK, I am going to have to knuckle down and learn the driver numbers before I watch any more youtube.

How do you tell Ogier from Lappi when watching them approach in the distance?

[smsgrafica]

How do you tell Ogier from Lappi when watching them approach in the distance?

From the flag on the roof, if you're eagle eyed...

Astonishing win for Ogier. He's just so great adapting to a new car, it's simply incredible!

[dimviii]

hot moment for Ogier
https://www.facebook.com/cyril.faure.104/videos/2112220855528255/UzpfSTIzMjYzNTMwMDIzNDYxMjoxMjE4NDc1MTM4MzE3Mjg1/


and another one video from Evans crash
https://www.facebook.com/100007430409808/posts/2260738200850505/


Mikkelsen crash from another angle
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2260661660858159&id=100007430409808

[dimviii]

The result itself is superb, we really had a great race, especially on dry asphalt like today. We still have to work, as we saw with Sébastien Loeb who confirmed that there was still work. We know we had a fantastic race from this point of view.

It's my best Monte Carlo. Apart from this error on Friday, it was a perfect rally for us. The tire choices were often good, we had fun at the wheel of the car, we did a great job in the car and we were competitive. "

A moment virtual leader of the rally in the Power Stage, the Hyundai driver could not compete on the last part of the clock.

"My tires quickly deteriorated, the car moved a little too much, I tried to give everything. I even had the worry of brakes that during the first pass. Regarding the intermediaries, it is not possible to have lost so much of a sudden in the Power Stage, it is certainly not correct. We had a good steady pace but the car was starting to move. "

Asked about the throttle problems of Sébastien Ogier, Thierry Neuville gave a brief but clear answer: "We know it, I did not believe it for a single second. "



Often critical in terms of the performance of his car on asphalt, the vice-world champion believes that his team still has to work, especially against formidable Toyota.

"It's not really asphalt here, it's a rally where the driver can make a difference. Sébastien Loeb finished I think fourth and quite simply this weekend, we made the difference in the car. We know that we still have to work. We were fine today but it was still very slippery, at least in the Turini. The second was almost dry and we saw that Kris Meeke still took us six seconds.

We can ask the question to any non-Toyota driver, we know that they are very efficient. I'm happy with Hyundai and I know we can progress.

Looking ahead to the next round, the Hyundai driver sees the first three events of the season as a good indicator of the rest of the year.

"We've already finished third here at the Monte Carlo, so it's good for the standings. You have to see all the first three races, it's important to be regular at the beginning. From there, it will be necessary to be always at the front posts despite the disadvantage of the sweeping. "

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/neuville-je-nai-pas-cru-a-son-probleme/?fbclid=IwAR0lQUARt_34TZi2xJw3gtD_Rxp8nbNhEelNBZNz YZzuQpYtroRpaUayk0c

[dimviii]

"I think he's going to suffer this season," smiled the Belgian co-driver, "I think we're going to have a great season, we've seen that Ott is here even though here he suffered a puncture. , we are here, Seb too ... There is really a trio that emerges, and it goes super fast.The Toyota is the car to beat, it's clear, the times speak for themselves. "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_gilsoul-tres-satisfait-un-trio-se-degage-on-va-vraiment-vivre-une-belle-saison?id=10129748&fbclid=IwAR1znUnH09gLf-cvXbWgZ3Po9XAmBSUHgzy2tLOUSxlTFOiRBc_9ybx8UNo

[Mk2 RS2000]

[QUOTE
Often critical in terms of the performance of his car on asphalt, the vice-world champion believes that his team still has to work, especially against formidable Toyota.
[/QUOTE]

"Vice-world champion", a new title coined up by a PR Spin Doctor

[Barreis]

Citroen is the car that has to be worked on but they have a winner. Neuville lost it due to his mistake

[Myrvold]

Mikkelsen crash from another angle
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2260661660858159&id=100007430409808

Damn, that one was close! (it's not the same as the most known Mikkelsen crash from Monte 2019).
I also took the liberty to remove the "m" in the link in my quote, so it goes straight to normal site, and not mobile site :)

[T16]

How do you tell Ogier from Lappi when watching them approach in the distance?[/QUOTE]

Ogier is going faster

[EstWRC]

Q:
You had a throttle issue today, when did you discover that? Did you think it would spoil the party?
SO:
Actually it started yesterday night on the road section and I started to get a strange reaction on the throttle when I was lifting – the car was going on with 20 per cent of pedal. It was not so nice, especially on stage mode. It could be tricky, we tried to check everything we could – it looks like a sensor is a bit crazy. Luckily it was still working some times, but it can catch you by surprise, so it’s also dangerous. Finally, we managed some small fix, it was not 100 per cent but at least we could finish the rally and give a last push on the power stage to keep the win. It was another busy day for my heart! The win was difficult to reach but also I didn’t know if I would finish. The sensor could be gone and this would be a bigger drama and that also adds to the emotion.


https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-sogier-it-was-another-busy-day-my-heart

[stefanvv]

hot moment for Ogier
https://www.facebook.com/cyril.faure.104/videos/2112220855528255/UzpfSTIzMjYzNTMwMDIzNDYxMjoxMjE4NDc1MTM4MzE3Mjg1/


That's one of the few moments All live showed by chance. It was on Friday I think.

[mknight]

Damn, that one was close! (it's not the same as the most known Mikkelsen crash from Monte 2019).
I also took the liberty to remove the "m" in the link in my quote, so it goes straight to normal site, and not mobile site :)

It's from SS9, 3:20 in (looked on onboard).

- he is actually not wide/fast in the right corner at all, there is lots of ice in front of the left corner and he has nothing in the notes about it (gravel crew mistake? notes only say "mixed" some corners before, he could have foreseen it will be more slippery below the trees where there is shadow). Still the notes on previous corners talk about "a bit of grip" in them and they are completely dry, yet here there is nothing specific and lots of ice/snow.
- when he sees the slippery ice/snow ahead he goes hard on brakes (right after already hitting throttle from the right corner), locks up and slides onto the snow/ice on the side and touches bank after

- contrary to the vid, it doesn't look like rolling was likely, cause it's harder to roll when right wheels are on ice/snow, spin out to the right was more likely imo
- from the onboard it looks like one spectator on the bank was really close to getting knocked around by the front of the car, could have been really nasty injury (broken leg + flying trough the air around afterwards)

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/732093453589496/posts/1287518771380292/

[mknight]

https://www.facebook.com/732093453589496/posts/1287518771380292/

Personally I think a lot of Meeke's good (result)/pace here is also down to the change of codriver. It's just calm and relax in the car, before it sounded like massive drama/stress in all the time.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuD1rlt6uUM&feature=youtu.be&a=

[tommeke_B]

It's more complex than that. Maybe the whole team around him caused much more stress last year. ;) It could be interesting to see how Lappi goes along with the French.

[Ucci]

MC never disappoints! Although we have experienced more unpredictable MC's in the past in terms of weather, this year's edition was definitely worth of watching. Some thoughts about best drivers:
- Seb Ogier: stunning, amazing, magnificent; practically unrepeatable….he has always one more as in the sleeve compare to other drivers. It is his home yard...I hope we will not forget all the praises on his account during this weekend when he will not be so convincing. Deep respect!
- Neuville: congrats, he is fast, just small mistake took a victory away, but this is MC. But still I'm not sure if he will be a titel contender this year.
- Tanak: well, I would not care for the result this weekend (by the way-3rd position is not bad start into new season…), the guy is ''mind blowing'' fast, at the moment without real competition. If his driving is not going to be to aggressive, nothing (nobody) can stop him.
- Loeb: maybe not happy, but again: one week ago he made a first test, he was pushing and the speed was not there, but 9x times WC will definitely improve. He is big positive gain for the team.
- JM Latvala: disaster, if he will not show some solid performance during first half of the season, ''the village team'' can fire him…
- Meeke: in my eyes he fulfilled the expectations. With more miles he can close to the top (but never to Tanak)
- Mikkelsen: stupid mistake, an event to forget….I do not expect something special from him in the future.....
- Lappi: first rally in a new car, if my memory serves me well, he was never fast in MC, so waiting for few more events….

[dimviii]

Ogier vs Neuville video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0rY5idiFSs

[Myrvold]

Personally I think a lot of Meeke's good (result)/pace here is also down to the change of codriver. It's just calm and relax in the car, before it sounded like massive drama/stress in all the time.

It's been one rally though. He has had better results here twice for Citroën. It's a really good start, but you could say the same about 2014 as well.

[Finne]

Citroen is the car that has to be worked on but they have a winner. Neuville lost it due to his mistake

Well, compare Loeb in Citroen and Hyundai and say then what car needs more work.

If Hyundai doesn´t major step Neuville can win only some twisty rallies and WDC will be between Ogier and Tänak.

[doubled1978]

Well, compare Loeb in Citroen and Hyundai and say then what car needs more work.

If Hyundai doesn´t major step Neuville can win only some twisty rallies and WDC will be between Ogier and Tänak.

It will be interesting to see if the change in management, and Loeb’s input bring about some improvements in the car on its weaker events.

[Mirek]

Well, compare Loeb in Citroen and Hyundai and say then what car needs more work. .

Comparing with Loeb is also tricky. New team, not only a new car but a car built with different philosophy, very little testing (consider that Loeb always worked only with Citroën and French before). The fact he went to the event nearly directly from two weeks of very physically demanding Dakar sure also played a role, especially because Loeb isn't young anymore (it was also on the other side of the Globe).

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx8HGPfXQAAvqiJ.jpg

https://twitter.com/rally_analyst/status/1089597968712417280

[Morte66]

Man, I never knew Saab had a rally team. 1963, that's a little before I was born. And they won with a two stroke. It's a different world.

[Rally Power]

Asked about the throttle problems of Sébastien Ogier, Thierry Neuville gave a brief but clear answer: "We know it, I did not believe it for a single second. "


Ouch!

[Indreq]

Another speculation - what might have happened to Ott if one stage wasnt canceled? He was betting on winning time on this stage, and missing that stage ment that he actually lost time. Did this cause perhaps him losing rhytm (and pace) and perhaps contributed to puncture too?

BTW According to Mäkinen comments, he does not blame drivers for broken rims, he admits that they had lightweight (and fragile) rims which will be replaced by next tarmac event. Drivers had to follow same cutting lines as others or they would have lost time, but sharp tarmac edges were too much for the rims.

[Yugo_para_siempre]

What an impressive start of the season was that?

Unbelievable fight for the 1st place and between Loeb and Latvala.

I remember fights that ended up so close in the past, but i do not remember a fight that for 2 days the 1st and 2nd never had a time difference bigger than 6 seconds.
If we take into account that this took place in rally Monte Carlo, that is so easy to encounter big gaps, is even more impressive.

Well deserved win for Ogier, what a talent, what a performance?
First rally, a very tricky one, with the new (not so much appreciated) car and once more he managed to win in a so intense fight.
After the second Turini i really believed that Neuville will bit him, but he managed to answer in the last one.
Very very good performance from Neuville and Tanak too.
As already mentioned from other mates, i expect an even better season this year.

Regarding Loeb, very good performance taking into consideration that he had very limited experience with the car and, moreover, the car seems not to suit him right now.



Regarding the below comment from Neuville.



"It's not really asphalt here, it's a rally where the driver can make a difference. Sébastien Loeb finished I think fourth and quite simply this weekend, we made the difference in the car. We know that we still have to work."


Mr. Neuville that was a totally unfair comment for Loeb.
Before 2017 the Belgian was the no1 of the Korean team, but he never was so dominant within the team and were many times that his teammates bit him.
With this car (from 2017) he is flying compared to his teammates who seem to strugle, at least initially, to get a constant required filling from this car.
Moreover, as said, it was the first kilometers of Loeb with a car that does not seem to suit him right now.
Neuville should give time to Loeb and if the French will not manage to show similar pace with that he showed last year with the C3, a car with many ups and downs, the conclusion for me will be that the Korean car only suits Neuville, and not that Neuville is the god that bits Loeb easily...

[dimviii]

all the wrc history for almost 2 decades

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2019/post-1181-0-23206000-1548624633.png

[dimviii]

maxicorde video from Turini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv9o19FmnM

[mknight]

Comparing with Loeb is also tricky. New team, not only a new car but a car built with different philosophy, very little testing (consider that Loeb always worked only with Citroën and French before). The fact he went to the event nearly directly from two weeks of very physically demanding Dakar sure also played a role, especially because Loeb isn't young anymore (it was also on the other side of the Globe).

Loeb did quite good considering all this. He did have 2 days of testing, that's what most drivers get ahead of each event, only Ogier and all Toyotas had more. Sure some testing to "get to know the car" would help. That said he had quite good speed on mixed conditions with varying tyrechoices (that comes down to his experience), on the dry, simple, wide parts of stages (and SD) he was competing with Suninen. That's Loeb the tarmac king that just won Spain and was top 3 fast on Corsica.

Personally I was expecting him something like half way between Neuville and Mikkelsen on pace, instead he was even with Mikkelsen, but I definitely didn't think that he will be loosing so much time on the "simple" parts.

This is why Neuville is so extremely happy even after loosing the win:
1. Loeb was much slower than him (people even on this forum saying how Loeb will easily beat Neuville and will win both Monte and Sweden....)
2. Loeb complained about the car on dry tarmac

In December Neuville said how he hopes Loeb will confirm what 3 other drivers are saying about the car, from the pics it looked like Loeb did that already on SD and he certainly made it clear in post-stage interviews on Sunday

Similarly Mikkelsen ought to be very happy from this event and people saying it's an event to forget for him miss the point. Sure crash out is bad. But the rest is much more important for his future. Loeb was at same pace as him, both could compete in front in tricky conditions and above all, Loeb was not happy with the car in the dry. Mikkelsen spend whole last year without changes getting done with some small stuff first before Spain and then basically gave up and tries to change his style to Neuville's "throw the car" one.

So with at least 3 drivers (prbly Sordo as well, depending on how you interpret Neuville) complaining, maybe Hyundai will actually make an effort to change something. Last year they didn't care until after Germany. It is also possible that they can't change the car much and Loeb will be forced to adapt. He surely is cable of it, after all he isn't 9 times WDC for nothing.However in that case I don't think Hyundai can charge for wins on the tarmac rallies with more grip (Corsica, Germany, Spain), unless it rains on them. Neuville's and Sordo's 2018 speed on these show that.

-----------
Btw. on a related note the engine update Hyundai introduced (only for Neuville in AUS, now all) seems to have helped. In the uphill-only part of Turini they seemed to match Citroen and Toyota just fine. It's on the flat and downhill they struggled. (Funny how Neuville was sure he did extremely good on the downhill from Col det Turini and splits showed that part was actually his slowest)

[dimviii]

i dont think that is somebody who still thinks, that hyundai is fast at dry asphalt.
we had saw that from previous year,but even at Monte it was visible.

[janvanvurpa]

- Tanak: well, I would not care for the result this weekend (by the way-3rd position is not bad start into new season…), the guy is ''mind blowing'' fast, at the moment without real competition. If his driving is not going to be to aggressive, nothing (nobody) can stop him.
- Loeb: maybe not happy, but again: one week ago he made a first test, he was pushing and the speed was not there, but 9x times WC will definitely improve. He is big positive gain for the team.
- JM Latvala: disaster, if he will not show some solid performance during first half of the season, ''the village team'' can fire him…

.0012%

That's how much faster overall that Tanak was over Loeb

And Loeb was 1/10 of that quicker than Latvala...

I wonder if anybody ever thinks of the tiny fractions of 1% and how ultimately silly is our collective exaggerations and fan-talk really is?



3.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/images/flags2/estonia.png
8
Tänak Ott - Järveoja M. (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/2019876/)
Toyota Yaris WRC https://www.ewrc-results.com/images/tyres/michelin2.png
RC1
M
3:23:31.1

+2:15.2
+2:13.0
89.6
0.45


4.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/images/flags2/france.png
19
Loeb Sébastien - Elena D. (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/2019875/)
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC https://www.ewrc-results.com/images/tyres/michelin2.png
RC1
M
3:23:44.1

+2:28.2
+13.0
89.5
0.49


5.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/images/flags2/finland.png
10
Latvala J. - Anttila M. (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/2019881/)
Toyota Yaris WRC https://www.ewrc-results.com/images/tyres/michelin2.png
RC1
M
3:23:45.8

+2:29.9
+1.7
89.5
0.49






If Tanak is blinding amazingly fast!!!! and Loeb is just 13 seconds after in 3H23m31.1s of SS....then Loeb is 99.999% as fast and Latvala about 99.998% as fast
How in the real world is that "speed not there' and "not show some solid performance"?

We talk in too too much extremes...too often..

My cheers goes to Loeb...according to the "wisdom' of forums, he's 10 years too old...Not reasonable rest, ultra short tests before, ancient, new car which collective wisdom have all decided is no good.....at his age he's just having fun.. His results say 'we" are are full of hoooey.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN7ZbjU2ssXicOdbdMFYoFA?feature=embeds_subscribe_ title

[AnttiL]

If Tanak is blinding amazingly fast!!!! and Loeb is just 13 seconds after in 3H23m31.1s of SS....then Loeb is 99.999% as fast and Latvala about 99.998% as fast
How in the real world is that "speed not there' and "not show some solid performance"?

We talk in too too much extremes...too often..

Tänak stopped to change a wheel in a stage and was still faster than those guys.

[Allez Andruet]

https://twitter.com/rally_analyst/status/1089597968712417280

Nice graph, but why in the world it's "Munari Sandro"?

[Allez Andruet]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10616497

Mäkinen not too happy with Latvala's perfomance in Monte, saying publicly that "our two other drivers were quite a lot faster".

[steve.mandzij]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10616497

Mäkinen not too happy with Latvala's perfomance in Monte, saying publicly that "our two other drivers were quite a lot faster".Fuck...

With the Advent of Kalle and the [peculiar] emphasis on cultivating Katsuta as a future WRC talent I fear Latvala's days might be numbered.

Since Toyota returned I've always held Makinen in relatively high regard, as in, I felt he looked like a good leader for the village team to work together, especially with how well 2017 turned out, how happy Latvala and Hanninen seemed to have each other as teammates, and how instantly quick Lappi was in his first WRC runs.

But ever since Tanak joined the team I see cracks forming in the team. Lappi's whining and constantly depressed look echoed those of Meeke right before he got the axe, and it was clear that Makinen had Tanak as his God.

Obviously I'm not going to blame Tanak, but I wonder if maybe Tommi finds a way to do what he wants by playing dirty. After ignoring Lappi out of the team to bring in his near 40 year old Wonderboy from Dungannon, could he constantly telling the press Latvala is not meeting expectations to make an easy opening for 2020?

I might (likely) be overreacting as a Latvala fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tommi is looking to cause a little turmoil in the team to force his dreams into reality.

[racerx1979]

Latvala is never strong at Monte. Let's see how things go in Sweden before jumping to any conclusions...

[AnttiL]

Latvala is never strong at Monte.

In 2017 second, in 2018 third. Never strong?

[TWRC]

Fuck...

With the Advent of Kalle and the [peculiar] emphasis on cultivating Katsuta as a future WRC talent I fear Latvala's days might be numbered.

Since Toyota returned I've always held Makinen in relatively high regard, as in, I felt he looked like a good leader for the village team to work together, especially with how well 2017 turned out, how happy Latvala and Hanninen seemed to have each other as teammates, and how instantly quick Lappi was in his first WRC runs.

But ever since Tanak joined the team I see cracks forming in the team. Lappi's whining and constantly depressed look echoed those of Meeke right before he got the axe, and it was clear that Makinen had Tanak as his God.

Obviously I'm not going to blame Tanak, but I wonder if maybe Tommi finds a way to do what he wants by playing dirty. After ignoring Lappi out of the team to bring in his near 40 year old Wonderboy from Dungannon, could he constantly telling the press Latvala is not meeting expectations to make an easy opening for 2020?

I might (likely) be overreacting as a Latvala fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tommi is looking to cause a little turmoil in the team to force his dreams into reality.
I don't think Latvala ever had a future beyond 2019 with Toyota, as both Rovanperä and Katsuta are likely going to come up, and also I think it was said that Mäkinen didn't want to keep Latvala for this year, but the Toyota bosses liked him, so that's why he stayed.

[Zeakiwi]

Who the engineer working with Loeb at Hyundai?

[Morte66]

I don't think Latvala ever had a future beyond 2019 with Toyota, as both Rovanperä and Katsuta are likely going to come up, and also I think it was said that Mäkinen didn't want to keep Latvala for this year, but the Toyota bosses liked him, so that's why he stayed.

If there are three nominated drivers and the top two in any race score manufacturer points... I think Latvala 2020 depends on Meeke 2019. Meeke is obviously faster, but if he goes off a lot then Toyota have a job for a driver who finishes almost every time (a bit like the job Sordo did at Hyundai). In that case an experienced driver like Latvala has his attractions. But if Meeke gets as many clean finishes as the average driver, there is room to bring on a new guy.

If we were on the "two drivers score manufacturer points" rules, it would be different.

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/M9a2QofV2WM

[Rallyper]

Man, I never knew Saab had a rally team. 1963, that's a little before I was born. And they won with a two stroke. It's a different world.

There´s a long story about Saab beginning in the 50´s. If you google there should be books written about the Saab Rally Heritage.

My first rallycar was an ex factory 2T 1962 model back in 1972... 18 years I was...

[RS]

It's more complex than that. Maybe the whole team around him (Meeke) caused much more stress last year. ;) It could be interesting to see how Lappi goes along with the French.

I think/hope that not being the clear team leader at Toyota will take the pressure off Meeke and help him.

His power stage performance on Monte was really impressive, considering he beat the two guys battling for the win by quite a healthy margin.

[AnttiL]

His power stage performance on Monte was really impressive, considering he beat the two guys battling for the win by quite a healthy margin.

Nothing to lose, no need to wear the tyres on the previous stages.

[RS]

Nothing to lose, no need to wear the tyres on the previous stages.

Fair point on the tyres, although I wouldn’t say nothing to lose. He was in the points and a crash on his first Toyota event wouldn’t have looked good.

[Rallyper]

2019 just began, and you are talking about Latvalas future after being 5th in RMC?

Hold yor horses. Rovanperä for sure, but be replaced by Katsuta? No way Toyota gets a faster driver in him!

[mArvAlcao17]

Anybody knows what's the purpose of this left paddle?

1712

[wia5958]

2019 just began, and you are talking about Latvalas future after being 5th in RMC?

Hold yor horses. Rovanperä for sure, but be replaced by Katsuta? No way Toyota gets a faster driver in him!

Yeah my thoughts exactly

[AnttiL]

Anybody knows what's the purpose of this left paddle?

1712

Wipers?

[logic]

Anybody knows what's the purpose of this left paddle?

1712

wipers

[er88]

I might (likely) be overreacting as a Latvala fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tommi is looking to cause a little turmoil in the team to force his dreams into reality.

He's just stating a fact mate. Tanak being so much faster than Jari is becoming the norm, but the team were probably surprised how much faster Meeke was. Jari still did a job for the team though and at least brought the car home with a solid points haul.

In terms of talking publicly, it was Jari who was spouting some amount of gibberish all weekend. He was so up and down and contradicting himself after nearly every stage.

- Saying he didn't have a good feeling on the first few stages - and we know when Jari doesn't have a good feeling his times plummet.

- On Saturday morning on the first stage, said he had a really good feeling and was happy with his driving - when in fact he'd been beaten by both his team mates by 24s.

- Said at the end of Saturday that he's pleased Sundays stages are dry, as he has confidence in the car on the dry as most of his testing was in those conditions.

- On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).

- Then after the rally saying he built the car wrong, it was his fault for crashing in testing. And because of that his setup was wrong (even though on Saturday night he claimed he was happy and comfortable with the car in the dry from testing).

So he needs to just settle down a bit. Still solid points, and a long season ahead. In Sweden things will probably change, Meeke has not much experience there and has never gone well, whereas Jari is the total opposite. And Jari has a better road position compared to Ott, which could even it up between those two.
If Jari is already having a mental breakdown and doing a you by worrying about Meeke, Kalle, katsuta and Makinen's future plans for the team, he'd be as well just packing in the season now and calling Malcolm :D.
Being Toyota's consitent points scorer could be just what Makinen wants from him anyway, as Meeke probably isn't going to be that....

He had a good second half of last season and was relaxed and calm, it's a shame he can't bring that into a new season. Nothing has changed except Meeke replacing Lappi, and if that alone is making him go back to being unstable then that's not Makinen's fault.

[SubaruNorway]

If Tanak is blinding amazingly fast!!!! and Loeb is just 13 seconds after in 3H23m31.1s of SS....then Loeb is 99.999% as fast and Latvala about 99.998% as fast
How in the real world is that "speed not there' and "not show some solid performance"?

We talk in too too much extremes...too often..

My cheers goes to Loeb...according to the "wisdom' of forums, he's 10 years too old...Not reasonable rest, ultra short tests before, ancient, new car which collective wisdom have all decided is no good.....at his age he's just having fun.. His results say 'we" are are full of hoooey.

Main problem with this forum is people who cluthers it with a long post without checking their facts, sometimes it seems like they didn't even watch the rally...

[Pršljen]

Can somebody be so kind to explain to me how the hell M-Sport has 14 manufacturer points after this rally?! All of their three drivers retired and only Greensmith scored 6 but the official site claims that they have 14 for 6th and 7th finish which they don't have. Am I missing something or?

[Tarmop]

Only 2 of the 3 manuf. cars are eligible to score points, so a WRC can be 38 in the order for example, but gets points for example 7. place WRC.

[AnttiL]

Basically you take out all cars out from the results except the two best positioned cars of each manufacturer, which were nominated for manufacturer points. Then you make a new result sheet and give points by that.

This rule alongside power stage is the motivation to use Rally2, thus providing more WRC cars to see for the spectators on the last days of the rally.

[Andre Oliveira]

WRC2 Pro points not counting to Manufacters

[AnttiL]

WRC2 Pro points not counting to Manufacters

Yeah. Also worth mentioning that only cars nominated for manufacturers points can score the points. For example in 2017 Mads Østberg and Teemu Suninen drove Ford Fiesta WRC's as privateers but were never nominated for manufacturer points

[AL14]

In terms of talking publicly, it was Jari who was spouting some amount of gibberish all weekend. He was so up and down and contradicting himself after nearly every stage.

- Saying he didn't have a good feeling on the first few stages - and we know when Jari doesn't have a good feeling his times plummet.

- On Saturday morning on the first stage, said he had a really good feeling and was happy with his driving - when in fact he'd been beaten by both his team mates by 24s.

- Said at the end of Saturday that he's pleased Sundays stages are dry, as he has confidence in the car on the dry as most of his testing was in those conditions.

- On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).

- Then after the rally saying he built the car wrong, it was his fault for crashing in testing. And because of that his setup was wrong (even though on Saturday night he claimed he was happy and comfortable with the car in the dry from testing).


JML's mental chaos at its best lol. It's hard work to keep track of each different statement and mood :D

[AnttiL]

- On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).

After SS14 he said the car is fine. Also, I think he talked about the suspension being too soft, rear diff too stiff. But anyway, Tommi needs to tell Jari-Matti to stop thinking about settings and just drive, just like in Sweden 2017.

[dimviii]

Fair point on the tyres, although I wouldn’t say nothing to lose. He was in the points and a crash on his first Toyota event wouldn’t have looked good.

no its not fair point, the better tyre conditions of Meeke,they were worned as the other drivers.
At Sunday he was at ss 13, 4th 11,5 sec from stage winner at 18,4 km
at ss 14 was again 4th only 2,6 sec from stage winner at 13,8km
at ss 15 was again 4th 5,7 sec from stage winner at 18,4 km
you cant say that his tyres were more worned from others,and that makes his time more impressive.

[dimviii]

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interview in a Belgian newspaper this morning from Neuville (Sudpresse):

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And yet, he said he had accelerator problems!

No way ! I did not believe that story for one second. And as Nicolas said, it is now easy to interpret what Ogier said: when he is not the fastest, he always has excuses. And when he has a real problem, he slams his door and goes away without answering questions.

Nicolas Gilsoul draws a balance sheet more than positive. Of course, he would have preferred to win and have dinner with the prince. "When you find yourself at the start of the last stage with 4 tenths behind the leader, you tighten your harness twice and of course you believe it. We left very quickly. But, unlike Ogier who had hardened his car, we were perhaps set a bit too soft in suspensions. The tires quickly overheated. But we did not make a mistake. "No regret, then. It would not even be fair to claim that Friday's mistake cost them the victory. "Yes, we could say that, but we would have lost much more than 19 seconds if the first stage of this second stage had not been canceled. So in the end, Ogier did not steal it. "But the Frenchman has been tricky again. Did the Belgian crew really believe in their accelerator concerns? "Are you kidding or what? As soon as he does not have the best time, he has a problem. We know him. When he has a real worry, he slams his door and says nothing. The truth is, we both drove 110% and got hot on the buttocks. "At the end of the day, there's only one winner.

[Rally Power]

Yep, Ogier throttle issue turned into a big (and funny) debate on the French forum (lots of Belgians there). 3 main theories: a) it was a total bluff and Ogier is a first class comedian; b) it was a tiny issue that mostly affected Ogier mind; c) it was a serious problem and thanks to the team instructions Ogier and Ingrassia managed to fix it. Hard to believe on the first one; a mix of the others sounds more reasonable…or not.

[PLuto]

Can somebody be so kind to explain to me how the hell M-Sport has 14 manufacturer points after this rally?! All of their three drivers retired and only Greensmith scored 6 but the official site claims that they have 14 for 6th and 7th finish which they don't have. Am I missing something or?

Here you can see it more precisely - http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=131&sk=592

[er88]

After SS14 he said the car is fine. Also, I think he talked about the suspension being too soft, rear diff too stiff. But anyway, Tommi needs to tell Jari-Matti to stop thinking about settings and just drive, just like in Sweden 2017.People on this forum started worrying for Jari before the rally had even started, after hearing him talking about Tanak's set up and how he is going to learn from it :D. They had reasons to be concerned!

Hopefully he can just focus on the driving and get a good result in Sweden.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yep, Ogier throttle issue turned into a big (and funny) debate on the French forum (lots of Belgians there). 3 main theories: a) it was a total bluff and Ogier is a first class comedian; b) it was a tiny issue that mostly affected Ogier mind; c) it was a serious problem and thanks to the team instructions Ogier and Ingrassia managed to fix it. Hard to believe on the first one; a mix of the others sounds more reasonable…or not.

Neuvile and others really believe Ogier just made it up about a problem. Seriously, a 6-time WDC would do this to have an excuse if he didnt win ???

Imagine the bad press this would be for Citroen... their car caused the loss.

They wouldnt want that and especially if wasnt even true !

[BigWorm]

Well he said it was a small issue and since his time loss to others didn't really drop nor did his stage positions improve (many expected the C3 to perform better in Sunday's conditions) so I think he probably had a small issue.

In the end, Neuville reported brake problems on the final stage. His tyres were probably not in best shape so it probably was a fair fight anyway.

[rhm]

Here you can see it more precisely - http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=131&sk=592

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that you get manufacturer points for 6th & 7th when you finish 11th (+17:56.8) & 20th (+29:34.6) overall.

Don't even know why they award manufacturer points for the top 10, there are only 8 crews that can win points.

[Winner]

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interview in a Belgian newspaper this morning from Neuville (Sudpresse):

*

And yet, he said he had accelerator problems!

No way ! I did not believe that story for one second. And as Nicolas said, it is now easy to interpret what Ogier said: when he is not the fastest, he always has excuses. And when he has a real problem, he slams his door and goes away without answering questions.

Nicolas Gilsoul draws a balance sheet more than positive. Of course, he would have preferred to win and have dinner with the prince. "When you find yourself at the start of the last stage with 4 tenths behind the leader, you tighten your harness twice and of course you believe it. We left very quickly. But, unlike Ogier who had hardened his car, we were perhaps set a bit too soft in suspensions. The tires quickly overheated. But we did not make a mistake. "No regret, then. It would not even be fair to claim that Friday's mistake cost them the victory. "Yes, we could say that, but we would have lost much more than 19 seconds if the first stage of this second stage had not been canceled. So in the end, Ogier did not steal it. "But the Frenchman has been tricky again. Did the Belgian crew really believe in their accelerator concerns? "Are you kidding or what? As soon as he does not have the best time, he has a problem. We know him. When he has a real worry, he slams his door and says nothing. The truth is, we both drove 110% and got hot on the buttocks. "At the end of the day, there's only one winner.


Did Citroen not have the same problem last season?
That was the first thought I had when I heard the complaint from Ogier.
Breen and Mads complained about it at stage end a few time towards the end of last season? or am I gone mad?

Found quote from Breen SS10 in Aus
(11 - Breen Craig / Martin Scott): The throttle was sticking open, every time I pressed the brake it was nosing the car on. Really, really horrible I don't know what the hell it is. Try and get it fixed before the next one.

[AnttiL]

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that you get manufacturer points for 6th & 7th when you finish 11th (+17:56.8) & 20th (+29:34.6) overall.

Don't even know why they award manufacturer points for the top 10, there are only 8 crews that can win points.

Like I said, otherwise they wouldn’t Rally2 and we would complain about low number of cars in the last days of the rallies

And technically there could be more teams...

[T16]

Neuvile and others really believe Ogier just made it up about a problem. Seriously, a 6-time WDC would do this to have an excuse if he didnt win ???

Imagine the bad press this would be for Citroen... their car caused the loss.

They wouldnt want that and especially if wasnt even true !

Eddie, it's called mind games. Ogier making statements about his car lacking performance are to get Neuville to push less, because his main rival can't push. He wasn't making excuses up in case he didn't win.

[mknight]

On Corsica 2017 Ogier had real technical issues on Sunday that cost him 2nd place on the penultimate stage. In the regroup before PS he refused to say if they fixed it. Then on PS the car was fine and he took back 2nd place from Sordo. Did Sordo push less because of that? Impossible to say, but there could have been some doubt.

So Ogier is no stranger to mind games.

That said I believe there could have been a small issue but the effect was mainly psychological for Ogiers confidence.

[steve.mandzij]

He's just stating a fact mate. Tanak being so much faster than Jari is becoming the norm, but the team were probably surprised how much faster Meeke was. Jari still did a job for the team though and at least brought the car home with a solid points haul.

In terms of talking publicly, it was Jari who was spouting some amount of gibberish all weekend. He was so up and down and contradicting himself after nearly every stage.

- Saying he didn't have a good feeling on the first few stages - and we know when Jari doesn't have a good feeling his times plummet.

- On Saturday morning on the first stage, said he had a really good feeling and was happy with his driving - when in fact he'd been beaten by both his team mates by 24s.

- Said at the end of Saturday that he's pleased Sundays stages are dry, as he has confidence in the car on the dry as most of his testing was in those conditions.

- On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).

- Then after the rally saying he built the car wrong, it was his fault for crashing in testing. And because of that his setup was wrong (even though on Saturday night he claimed he was happy and comfortable with the car in the dry from testing).

So he needs to just settle down a bit. Still solid points, and a long season ahead. In Sweden things will probably change, Meeke has not much experience there and has never gone well, whereas Jari is the total opposite. And Jari has a better road position compared to Ott, which could even it up between those two.
If Jari is already having a mental breakdown and doing a you by worrying about Meeke, Kalle, katsuta and Makinen's future plans for the team, he'd be as well just packing in the season now and calling Malcolm :D.
Being Toyota's consitent points scorer could be just what Makinen wants from him anyway, as Meeke probably isn't going to be that....

He had a good second half of last season and was relaxed and calm, it's a shame he can't bring that into a new season. Nothing has changed except Meeke replacing Lappi, and if that alone is making him go back to being unstable then that's not Makinen's fault.I know, I know, basing my whole assumption on a single rally and a single interview is wrong, and you made all the correct points. But it's still not a secret that Makinen has fallen out of favor with Latvala since last year, according to other interviews. My point is that he doesn't want to really keep him, so he might be playing with his confidence to convince the Japanese that it's time for a change.

And sure, Latvala is experienced in Sweden, but Tanak was faster last year on pure pace again. Same thing happened on Latvala's home rally.

[dimviii]

guys we have the video winner
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?121-Video-Thread&p=1207153#post1207153

[dimviii]

redbull links for all days of Monte
https://twitter.com/rallyparadise/status/1089960737831878656

[EstWRC]

guys we have the video winner
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?121-Video-Thread&p=1207153#post1207153

Holy hell. I just love this sport. Amazing places!

[RS]

guys we have the video winner
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?121-Video-Thread&p=1207153#post1207153

That’s sped up right? I mean they look about twice as fast on that video as they do on the tv footage. Or are they really that quick (I haven’t seen the new generation WRCs live yet)

[EstWRC]

Tänak save from onboard https://youtu.be/xhTlwRCHZy4
https://youtu.be/-f384lMo5Ek

[bassist]

guys we have the video winner
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?121-Video-Thread&p=1207153#post1207153

Great video, takes some big balls to drive like that!

[wia5958]

And even bigger balls to stand where some spectators are. Completely crazy. But some unbelievable skill on display

[SubaruNorway]

That’s sped up right? I mean they look about twice as fast on that video as they do on the tv footage. Or are they really that quick (I haven’t seen the new generation WRCs live yet)

Nope, that's how fast it is.
I was at the same place as WRC TV on that fast combination on Savalla in Spain but their camera was sitting still on a tripod, the difference was quite big.
It also depends a bit on frame rate, i think think a higher frame rate and shutter speed makes it look slower, i use 24 FPS.