Rallye WRC Monte Carlo 2019

[tomhlord]

Works with android app at least.

Nah, it's dead on there too now. :(

[EstWRC]

wow Neuville 4 secs faster than Ogier in split 1 alone

[tc10a]

Fire App working fine

[Lead]

Neuville 4sec fastest on 1st split

[the sniper]

Don't forget you can still access the audio through rally radio.

[dimviii]

I don't understand how WRC+ charges money, and not providing the service.

because they find enough customers to pay for this service.

[Mirek]

So in the first stage who crashed was: Suninen, Rovanperä and the WRC+...

[EstWRC]

Ott +4.5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC+ on BT Sport red button working fine, just not HD.

[jparker]

because they find enough customers to pay for this service.
Yes, but is it legal?
If it keeps that way, I will ask for refund.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak a bit off line...

[tc10a]

Ogier getting faster, neuville only 2.4 in front after split 2

[tc10a]

Tanak briefly offroad, lots of luck

[tomhlord]

Fire App working fine

Lucky you, not for me. Can't see the splits one wrc.com either.

But at least the radio is working, like old days but more expensive...

[mousti]

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[EstWRC]

Tanak briefly offroad, lots of luck

how exactly? im not seeing any picture

[SubaruNorway]

Little moment for Tänak on SS1
https://www.facebook.com/MlinarMotorsport/videos/vb.1213160382031687/2227223090655735/?type=2&theater

[HarriK]

WRC+ on BT Sport red button working fine, just not HD.
Link please

[stefanvv]

But at least the radio is working, like old days but more expensive...

That's for the engine sounds:D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gamble failed for Neuville then. Ogier says ahead after SS2.

[tc10a]

Neuville 11 faster in Ss2

[Mirek]

Gamble failed for Neuville then. Ogier says ahead after SS2.

Maybe not. We don't know where he would be having same tyres.

[Norm75]

Link please

It's bt TV. You have to have subscription.

[stefanvv]

Gamble failed for Neuville then. Ogier says ahead after SS2.

Taking 2 studded tyres would be the perfect choice.

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala back a little, Mikkelsen still on vacation.

[gorganl2000]

Gamble failed for Neuville then. Ogier says ahead after SS2.

i really don't think the gamble was worth it so early in this rally. There is so much to play for on the many stages and the rallies to come, so no need to take unnecessary risks so early on the very first stage of the season.

[Lead]

Latvala back a little, Mikkelsen still on vacation.
If this is his best pace... Sordo should start tomorrow.

[mknight]

Latvala back a little, Mikkelsen still on vacation.

Mikkelsen and Loeb are the only ones on 4 studs right now.

[Eric]

Mikkelsen is a disaster. Get him out of that car.

[EstWRC]

so, whos gonna lead, Meeke or Tänak?

[Allez Andruet]

so, whos gonna lead, Meeke or Tänak?

Not Jari-Matti, I can tell you that.

[stefanvv]

Late runners seem to lose time. But Meeke is crazy, who knows...

[smsgrafica]

Mikkelsen is really embarrassing...

[dimviii]

Kalle
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/2530339296981483/UzpfSTEwODU5MzEwODQ3NTY3NjY6MjUyMDQwODkyNzk3NTYzNA/?sk=h_chr

[gorganl2000]

loeb is also losing a lot.,,,similar to mikkelsen

[mknight]

Mikkelsen and Loeb are the only ones on 4 studs right now.

And now that Loeb is there to compare he is as slow.

But hey let's all go laugh at Mikkelsen cause that's the fashion now ;)

[krissucool]

And now that Loeb is there to compare he is as slow.

But hey let's all go laugh at Mikkelsen cause that's the fashion now ;)

No lets laugh at him until he proves he is not as slow as a snail again.

[mknight]

No lets laugh at him until he proves he is not as slow as a snail again.

So that makes Loeb slower than a snail?

[Eric]

Wow Loeb is slowest so far

[smsgrafica]

et's all go laugh at Mikkelsen cause that's the fashion now ;)

He's 1 minute down after 2 stages........ it's ridiculous!

[KKS]

Will be Rally2 for WRC+?

[Simmi]

That Meeke onboard! oy oy oy oy he's on it.

[Tarmop]

Loeb had a mistake in this one, lets not mention the obvious like he has been away from Monte some years...back from Dakar and not much seat time in the i20...

[krissucool]

So that makes Loeb slower than a snail?

No, Mikkelsen was slow as snail last year. This year, 2 first stages, he has not proved he is any faster. Whether it be the car, the setup, the man or the tyres. He has to prove that he can drive again. Loeb does not. Loeb was not slow as snail all year last season. He has the benefit of the doubt.

[mknight]

Wow Loeb is slowest so far



Mikkelsen is a disaster. Get him out of that car.
^^

[Norm75]

Late runners seem to lose time. But Meeke is crazy, who knows...

Jesus Christ Kris. You are right, from the onboard just now.

[jparker]

Tanak's high speed moment may play negative on his confidence.

[smsgrafica]

Neuville wanted some help from his teammates. That's going well... :D

[Tarmop]

Tanak's high speed moment may play negative on his confidence.

This is Monte, you can`t get away with such moments when going for the win.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bad tyre choice by Loeb... not like him.

[mknight]

No, Mikkelsen was slow as snail last year. This year, 2 first stages, he has not proved he is any faster. Whether it be the car, the setup, the man or the tyres. He has to prove that he can drive again. Loeb does not. Loeb was not slow as snail all year last season.

Loeb and Mikkelsen are only 2 cars with same tire choice. Their times are very similar. Others are on different tires so hard to compare against them. How hard is it to understand?

[Tarmop]

Loeb saying its the tires, the car is ok... So yes, on this one they have a reason.

[tc10a]

Meeke, Tanak and Loeb some problem in s ame corners. Big attack from Meeke afterwards

[Rallyper]

Kalle. Too much pressure and a bit too little experience for this level?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke real slow ... puncture. :(

[KKS]

Meeke?

[krissucool]

Mikkelsen was a laughing stock last year. He is the last WRC not counting Tidemand this rally.
How hard is it to understand?

[jparker]

Neuville wanted some help from his teammates. That's going well... :D

Retarded?

[Eric]

Loeb and Mikkelsen are only 2 cars with same tire choice. Their times are very similar. Others are on different tires so hard to compare against them. How hard is it to understand?

I actually agree with you on this one. Mikkelsen is 10 sec faster than Loeb on the same tyres.

[EstWRC]

what happened to Kris ?

[tc10a]

Some problem for meeke?

[steve.mandzij]

Retarded?Joking?

[Huufke]

Tyre off the front right rim for Meeke.

[smsgrafica]

Retarded?

???

[Simmi]

Gutted for Kris. But like he and Seb said - a long way to go. There was a real wild section on the onboard and a big cut. Wonder if he picked it up there...

[smsgrafica]

After 2 stages, all is back to normal in the WRC world. 3 guys fighting for the win and the others watching the fight from a respectable distance.

[steve.mandzij]

Shame for meeke! It's good though that he and Latvala were quite equal on this one. Tanak is still undisputably Superman.

And sure enough this is Pontus' debut but he's barely faster than Ciamin :(

[Entertainer]

After 2 stages, all is back to normal in the WRC world. 3 guys fighting for the win and the others watching the fight from a respectable distance.

And WRC AllLive failing..

[able1]

After 2 stages, all is back to normal in the WRC world. 3 guys fighting for the win and the others watching the fight from a respectable distance.

just by looking at the times its 3 guys driving wrc cars and rest in r5

[Entertainer]

Shame for meeke! It's good though that he and Latvala were quite equal on this one. Tanak is still undisputably Superman.

And sure enough this is Pontus' debut but he's barely faster than Ciamin :(

Oh please...down boy... Pontus could push MUCH harder, hopefully we will se some more pace this weekend, but
- first time in the car
- only been to Monte once before
- less mileage in the car than anyone else in the WRC-field
- its fucking MONTE, nightmare to debut on
- night stage..on ice.
- With Suninen out its even more important that he stays within striking distance of the places 5-10 to get points for M-sport.

[Norm75]

Shame for meeke! It's good though that he and Latvala were quite equal on this one. Tanak is still undisputably Superman.

And sure enough this is Pontus' debut but he's barely faster than Ciamin :(

I doubt they were equal before Meeke punctured. Anyone know the splits up to 12km?

[smsgrafica]

I doubt they were equal before Meeke punctured. Anyone know the splits up to 12km?

Split 4: JML quicker than Meeke by 0.5s

After that Meeke had the puncture

[KKS]

wrc+ back

[krissucool]

Split 4: JML quicker than Meeke by 0.5s

After that Meeke had the puncture

1 split before Meeke faster by 2 sec so might have been just before the next split as well.
Anyway, quite equal.

[stefanvv]

After 2 stages, all is back to normal in the WRC world. 3 guys fighting for the win and the others watching the fight from a respectable distance.

3 are enough for a good season.

[smsgrafica]

Stupid question, but I haven't been following the rules changes lately:

Has the starting order rules remained the same as last year or do the Rally2 guys now start in front again?

[Norm75]

1 split before Meeke faster by 2 sec so might have been just before the next split as well.
Anyway, quite equal.

Meeke said at end of stage puncture warning light on with around 9km left of stage, so just over half way

[Tauri_J]

Tanak's high speed moment may play negative on his confidence.

what moment lol...please stop

[denkimi]

Meeke said at end of stage puncture warning light on with around 9km left of stage, so just over half way
This is the first time I've heard they have tyre pressure sensors.

So if they do, why are some still checking the pressures manually?

[Mirek]

Great time by De Mevius.

[mknight]

Tidemand is doing just fine. Stage times don't matter right now. He should keep it on the road and try to push in "safe" stages.

[SubaruNorway]

what moment lol...please stop

Quite close to a pole or something when catching it https://www.facebook.com/MlinarMotorsport/videos/vb.1213160382031687/2227223090655735/?type=2&theater

[Tauri_J]

Quite close to a pole or something when catching it https://www.facebook.com/MlinarMotorsport/videos/vb.1213160382031687/2227223090655735/?type=2&theater
then the whole Monte is a high speed moment...perfectly hold by Ott

[Oliverk]

Quite close to a pole or something when catching it https://www.facebook.com/MlinarMotorsport/videos/vb.1213160382031687/2227223090655735/?type=2&theater

Was not even the place Tänak had an moment in this video. Moment was with almost zero speed.

[SubaruNorway]

Was not even the place Tänak had an moment in this video. Moment was with almost zero speed.

Wake up, read it again.

[Tauri_J]

he said high speed moment

[jparker]

then the whole Monte is a high speed moment...perfectly hold by Ott
Are you sure about that :)
I expect to show me another video like this by the end of rally.

[Mirek]

Katsuta has been absolutely nowhere close to being fast on both stages.

[Mintexmemory]

It will make Mikkelsen look a lot better if Loeb is struggling with the Hyundai on tarmac aswell. Loeb did have a lot of the same feedback as Mikkelsen after driving it on tarmac. Seems like the car is fitted for Neuville and Neuville only. Would be interesting to put Ogier in that car and see if he could handle it. I think not.

Why do you think Ogier isn't in that car? Oh sure, Nandan felt he was too expensive (and I'm the tooth fairy)

[krissucool]

New season started as last one finished. Tänak fastest, Mikkelsen slowest,Ogier rock solid, everyone fighting in the forum. Gotta love it.

[Mintexmemory]

New season started as last one finished. Tänak fastest, Mikkelsen slowest,Ogier rock solid, everyone fighting in the forum. Gotta love it.

Well it stops certain members taking their psychoses out onto the streets ;)

[smsgrafica]

Stupid question, but I haven't been following the rules changes lately:

Has the starting order rules remained the same as last year or do the Rally2 guys now start in front again?

Anyone helping me out on that?

[olemann]

He's 1 minute down after 2 stages........ it's ridiculous!

If you look at the results after 2 stage, it only separates 14.4 seconds between numbers 4 and 9 so then everyone after no. 3 must be crap

[Norm75]

This is the first time I've heard they have tyre pressure sensors.

So if they do, why are some still checking the pressures manually?

Don't know if they have tyre pressure sensors that measure the psi, maybe just a warning light that tells them they have a puncture.

[er88]

If you look at the results after 2 stage, it only separates 14.4 seconds between numbers 4 and 9 so then everyone after no. 3 must be crapLoeb can be excused. Meeke too clearly.

[SubaruNorway]

Well it stops certain members taking their psychoses out onto the streets ;)

I'Il just take my frustration of certain forum members out on my co workers with snowballs tomorrow.

[Eric]

Why do you think Ogier isn't in that car? Oh sure, Nandan felt he was too expensive (and I'm the tooth fairy)

Yes. Seeing it now Ogier did the only smart thing - stay the hell away from Hyundai. I actually think the i20 can ruin Mikkelsens career. Cant see anyone signing him next year if he keeps going like he did last year. A shame. The guy has proven to be a top driver in the right car.

[Tauri_J]

Anyone helping me out on that?

P1 drivers re-starting on Saturday and/or Sunday under WRC Art. 46, shall on all subsequent days start
as a merged group before the other P1 drivers in the reverse order of their position in the classification.

[smsgrafica]

If you look at the results after 2 stage, it only separates 14.4 seconds between numbers 4 and 9 so then everyone after no. 3 must be crap

With nearly 1 and a half years experience with this car, 6 full WRC seasons with top notch machinery, he still is slower than a pensioner who just came back from Dakar and only drove the car on a single day before the rally.

If you feel it's an acceptable performance, then it means that we just see things very differently.

[dimviii]

seems that NOT will be very busy this year.
too much bullshit guys for just 2 stages.

[olemann]

With nearly 1 and a half years experience with this car, 6 full WRC seasons with top notch machinery, he still is slower than a pensioner who just came back from Dakar and only drove the car on a single day before the rally.

If you feel it's an acceptable performance, then it means that we just see things very differently.

Sorry. I didn't realize you were from Italy

[Mirek]

Sarrazin lost loads of time on SS2. He was third after SS1.

[dimviii]

Suninen and Rovanpera crash
https://youtu.be/a0I5SnrI3ww

[Barreis]

so, two Jouhki's drivers kissed the ditch in first 5km of SS1

[mknight]

From the crash it looks like Suninen should be able to rejoin tomorrow.

[smsgrafica]

Sorry. I didn't realize you were from Italy

???

[Essaj]

Suninen and Rovanpera crash
https://youtu.be/a0I5SnrI3ww

Won't be the last time Kalle is going to be touching a new generation WRC. Hopefully it happens some other way in the future :D

[able1]

seems that NOT will be very busy this year.
too much bullshit guys for just 2 stages.

can't agree more

[COD]

i really don't think the gamble was worth it so early in this rally. There is so much to play for on the many stages and the rallies to come, so no need to take unnecessary risks so early on the very first stage of the season.

I like his attitude. Gamble, trying to win!

[dimviii]

Meeke thinks that maybe there is a problem with rims for his puncture at shake and stage 2

https://www.facebook.com/732093453589496/posts/1285797374885765/

[COD]

Suninen and Rovanpera crash
https://youtu.be/a0I5SnrI3ww

Strange that with so many spectators they couldn’t get Suninen’s car off the ditch

[Mirek]

Strange that with so many spectators they couldn’t get Suninen’s car off the ditch

Maybe police played a role...

[Myrvold]

Oh please...down boy... Pontus could push MUCH harder, hopefully we will se some more pace this weekend, but
- first time in the car
- only been to Monte once before
- less mileage in the car than anyone else in the WRC-field
- its fucking MONTE, nightmare to debut on
- night stage..on ice.
- With Suninen out its even more important that he stays within striking distance of the places 5-10 to get points for M-sport.

In addition, while not easy to hear as commentators are talking over the driver & co-driver post-stage conversation (extremely frustrating). I heard Ola Fløene say something about not being at his best yet. I think, that he might've said something about not being up to the speed he'd like, and that the notes are a bit to detailed for the speed when he has been out of WRC for the time he has. He needs to get more in to the rythm as well.

So it's like the plan. Use Monte Carlo solely as a place to get to know the car and team and get mileage. Call it a glorified test if you like.

[fisulino]

Strange that with so many spectators they couldn’t get Suninen’s car off the ditch

there were too many yellow west (gilet jaune) ;-)

[dimviii]

Maybe police played a role...

that exactly they said at French forum.Police didnt allow them to help

[deephouse]

Quite boring stage. Neuville dominate it and still lack behind the competition. Meeke had a puncture and Loeb perform very bad. Mikkelsen as usual lately still thinking that he choose right. Lappi, Latvala underperform both. Evans, well nothing special. And again Tanak the best out of his drive. Apparently there was one particular corner when almost everyone drive like they had two punctures. The biggest loser here is again Neuville with his tyre choice for first stage. If he would take it differently or at least close to others then he would be closer to the top. I mean probably wouldn't beat unbeatable Tanak but still few secs closer.

Have someone else noticed Tanak at the final sector of second stage how he brutally attack jumps and have hard lands? And I thought that I saw puncture on his left front wheel when he was interviewed.

[mknight]

I actually think both Lappi and Ogier are doing very well considering this kind of changing conditions is what C3 is supposed to be worst at, specially comparing Lappi to Latvala

[TypeR]

Don't think Malcolm is very happy about Kalle hitting Suninens car from the back.. with all the diffuser and aero parts, easily extra 20k+ euros damage

[Rally Power]

lol, only able to follow from SS2 and All Live immediately crashes!

Still 300 stage kms to run but I was hoping to see the others closer to the usual top 3. Nice to see Bonato leading WRC2, with Ciamin and De Mevius pretty close. Fourmaux, the new French prodigy, already impressing on his first MC and second ever R5 outing.

Bring on Friday SS’s...and a full working All Live!

[deephouse]

I actually think both Lappi and Ogier are doing very well considering this kind of changing conditions is what C3 is supposed to be worst at, specially comparing Lappi to Latvala

Citroen was made for tarmac from the start and was born on it. We will see on gravel. Lappi was concered already even if he wasn't compete on it with that car.

[GravelBen]

Citroen was made for tarmac from the start and was born on it. We will see on gravel.

I think it was mostly bumps that seemed to upset the C3 and make it unpredictable, grip changes not such a problem if the surface is relatively smooth.

[Tarmop]

On pure tarmac yes, not ice- snow-asphalt mixture.

[mknight]

Citroen was made for tarmac from the start and was born on it. We will see on gravel. Lappi was concered already even if he wasn't compete on it with that car.

Both in 2018 and 2017 C3 had serious issues on Monte Tarmac while it did well on the other rallies.

For the rallies after Monte it was 2nd in Sweden last year, 3rd and fighting for win with 2 drivers in Mexico. So I'd be first concerned about Argentina if I was Lappi, and that's a few months away.

[GravelBen]

Meeke was 4th at Monte with it last year and won the powerstage, thats not so bad even if it wasn't a very consistent rally.

It was the only car not overheating in Mexico IIRC.

[tomhlord]

Three different drivers in three different cars at the top of the field. Happy days.

[steve.mandzij]

How's the weather looking for tomorrow?

[KKS]

Yes. Seeing it now Ogier did the only smart thing - stay the hell away from Hyundai. I actually think the i20 can ruin Mikkelsens career. Cant see anyone signing him next year if he keeps going like he did last year. A shame. The guy has proven to be a top driver in the right car.
a proved-uber-top car up him to top3 drivers in that era (3rd from 3)

[mknight]

Meeke was 4th at Monte with it last year and won the powerstage, thats not so bad even if it wasn't a very consistent rally.

It was the only car not overheating in Mexico IIRC.

He inherited 4 after multiple drivers dropped due to other issues than speed. Powerstage was completely dry.

Everyone except Citroen had overheating issues in Mexico 2017. In 2018 only Toyota had.

[able1]

Strange that with so many spectators they couldn’t get Suninen’s car off the ditch

Car looks to be too deep in that ditch i doubt fans could have been able to help

[Tauri_J]

How's the weather looking for tomorrow?

dry

[KKS]

Maybe police played a role...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itpnb3hkS3o

you are right!

[Mirek]

I think it was mostly bumps that seemed to upset the C3 and make it unpredictable, grip changes not such a problem if the surface is relatively smooth.

Today's stages, especially the first one, were very bumpy.

[GravelBen]

Today's stages, especially the first one, were very bumpy.

Thanks - I haven't seen it yet, I'm stuck at work!

[Mullen]

Does anyone know who the ice crews are this year?

[Essaj]

Does anyone know who the ice crews are this year?

They are mentioned somewhere in this thread. Maybe have a look =)

[Mullen]

I went back to page 40, I’ll try again. Thanks.

[Mirek]

Does anyone know who the ice crews are this year?

So that You don't need to search too deep (sorry that I don't give credits to the original poster, I copied from elsewhere where it was easier to find)...


Sébastien Ogier - Simon Jean-Joseph
Teemu Suninen - Juuso Pykälistö
Kris Meeke - Stephen Whitford
Pontus Tidemand - Emil Bergkvist
Ott Tänak - Martin Kangur
Jari-Matti Latvala - Toni Gardemeister
Thierry Neuville - Bruno Thiry
Sébastien Loeb - Patrick Magaud
Elfyn Evans - Gwyndaf Evans
Gus Greensmith - Antoine L'Estage
Andreas Mikkelsen - Bernt Kollevold
Esapekka Lappi - Mikko Heikkila

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itpnb3hkS3o

you are right!

And so were the police. Fans would be right in the firing line if helping Teemu.

[Essaj]

And so were the police. Fans would be right in the firing line if helping Teemu.

that's why you have marshals or a speactator to caution the upcoming drivers 100 meters before the "accident site"

[able1]

that's why you have marshals or a speactator to caution the upcoming drivers 100 meters before the "accident site"

suninens car did not block the road, why should next driver pay for teemus mistake

[RAS007]

So that You don't need to search too deep (sorry that I don't give credits to the original poster, I copied from elsewhere where it was easier to find)...


Good to see some names from the past in there, especially Thiry and Gardemeister.

[dimviii]

i was wondering how Kalle managed to broke the rims when crashed with Suninen
https://youtu.be/x-HYnwIhJAs

[Allez Andruet]

Don't think Malcolm is very happy about Kalle hitting Suninens car from the back.. with all the diffuser and aero parts, easily extra 20k+ euros damage

https://twitter.com/MSportLtd/status/1088681843862528001

[Lead]

suninens car did not block the road, why should next driver pay for teemus mistake

Have you ever attended rally live?

[EstWRC]

Morning guys. All live sain Loeb has taken 4 slicks

First stage is icy, second one dry and 3rd one has everything according to Seb Marshall

[able1]

Have you ever attended rally live?

argentina, mexico and safari are the ones ive missed but have attended all the rest at least once ... if you look how suninens car was in that ditch you wouldnt even try to argue. spectators should have tried to pull the car towards start and kalle smashing into suninen proves my point. Pushing that car out of that ditch would have taken more than two minutes , wasnt worth the risk and time loss for other drivers

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5vUoP80zVQ


all the Hyundais sliding so wide in this corner

[Googol]

I haven't attended too many rallies, but I have thought that there would be a warning of a crashed car regardless of whether there are any people helping it or whether it's on driving line or a bit away. For example now there was totally unnecessary damage to already crashed car. And suddenly seeing a car may cause the next one to crash as well. But I guess the French marshals know better.

[able1]

I haven't attended too many rallies, but I have thought that there would be a warning of a crashed car regardless of whether there are any people helping it or whether it's on driving line or a bit away. For example now there was totally unnecessary damage to already crashed car. And suddenly seeing a car may cause the next one to crash as well. But I guess the French marshals know better.

i guess you can look at it both ways , but in the end i belive marshals made the right decision. It was only kalle who understeered straight into that ford. Maybe when they upload onboard footage we get some more information.

[Lead]

argentina, mexico and safari are the ones ive missed but have attended all the rest at least once ... if you look how suninens car was in that ditch you wouldnt even try to argue. spectators should have tried to pull the car towards start and kalle smashing into suninen proves my point. Pushing that car out of that ditch would have taken more than two minutes , wasnt worth the risk and time loss for other drivers

How was it in the ditch? I have seen and participated in almost "hopeless" situations to get the cars out of the ditches (you just send safetey marshall or spectator 100m before for safety). Here seemed to be a lot of spectators and if they could have been allowed to help, they would get that car out less than in two minutes.

[EstWRC]

#Tyre info - Day 2 morning

MSport/Toyota: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin (PA) studded + 2 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS6)
Citroen: 4 PA studded + 2S6
Neuville: 3 PA studded +1SS6 +2S6
Mikkelsen: 3 PA studded + 3S6
Loeb: 2 PA studded + 2SS6 +2S6

[able1]

How was it in the ditch? I have seen and participated in almost "hopeless" situations to get the cars out of the ditches (you just send safetey marshall or spectator 100m before for safety). Here seemed to be a lot of spectators and if they could have been allowed to help, they would get that car out less than in two minutes.

well, we will never know . Via video we will never have the whole picture. Our part as rally fans online is pure speculation and wishful thinking sometimes borderline pipe dream

[KKS]

Hyundai playing tricky games again with tyre

[KKS]

How was it in the ditch? I have seen and participated in almost "hopeless" situations to get the cars out of the ditches (you just send safetey marshall or spectator 100m before for safety). Here seemed to be a lot of spectators and if they could have been allowed to help, they would get that car out less than in two minutes.
Rovanpera going into a rocks on a left 50 meters before. Crashing into it and than just cruising with uncontrolled car into Teemu

[able1]

i was wondering how Kalle managed to broke the rims when crashed with Suninen
https://youtu.be/x-HYnwIhJAs

our ukrainian rallyfan informed that he hit some rocks prior to understeering into suninen

[KKS]

our ukrainian rallyfan informed that he hit some rocks prior to understeering into suninen
https://youtu.be/x-HYnwIhJAs?t=30

[able1]

https://youtu.be/x-HYnwIhJAs?t=30

cheers for that , was about to check that out but hit pause once wrc+ came back from brake

[Mintexmemory]

Settled down for some fun watching on WRC+ ....but bloody Colin Clarks delivery, shoot him someone!

[EstWRC]

delay it seems

[mknight]

Pretty weird tirechoice by Neuville and Mikkelsen imo.
Anyway it can't be all that dry when everyone takes some studs.

[EstWRC]

people too close to the road at the end of the stage

[able1]

spectators are the cause

[KKS]

a lot of spectators walking on a road and zero cars already done a stage :/

[Tauri_J]

Mouton is angry, could be canceled

[Rallyper]

Skip this rally for the next ten years. Always the same.

Edit: SS3 cancelled. RMC OUT for 2020, will be the ebst.

[TypeR]

stupid stupid people, so called ,,fans''..
fusk up everybody elses rally experiences

[Simmi]

Feels like this might be getting cancelled...

[Mintexmemory]

people too close to the road at the end of the stage

Too close - 'within 20m' is La Michelle's mantra. In other words back in the tree line where nothing is visible. I just always shout 'Michelle, Je t'aime'

[HaCo]

Delayed

[KKS]

whats going on? marshal crossing hands.

[Tauri_J]

probably will be canceled, they cant delay the stage too long

[Tauri_J]

such a shame, this stage is the one with the most snow and ice

guys with non-winter tyres will get a huge advantage

[AnttiL]

Also an interesting new stage with narrow bumpy roads but also fast countryside parts

[satukata]

hope they don´t cancel stage... different tyre choises,, hope they don´t :(

[able1]

such a shame, this stage is the one with the most snow and ice

guys with non-winter tyres will get a huge advantage

good news for loeb

[EstWRC]

and cancelled...

[KKS]

fck!

[rage82]

Stage is cancelled due to badly placed spectators.

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[satukata]

f...king idiots!!

[er88]

Fucking French....

Loeb will be laughing

[Norm75]

Stage 3 cancelled. FFS spectators!

[Tauri_J]

good job, awful fans

[KKS]

Michelle ruin this sport!:mad:

[TypeR]

should use some p*pper spray on those mor*ns..

[mknight]

Yeah, Loeb poised to go up.

[EstWRC]

such a shame, it would have been very interesting stage

[cali]

Tyre strategy now has changed completely and the guys who were betting for slippery conditions are now quite screwed...

[Mintexmemory]

There'll be a lot of heavy braking during this liaison section where those with studs on are trying to wear them down.

[dodge33cymru]

Too close - 'within 20m' is La Michelle's mantra. In other words back in the tree line where nothing is visible. I just always shout 'Michelle, Je t'aime'Am on SS5 and already getting told to move back despite there being a huge ditch between me and the road (and the bank being 1m up from the road). Needs a bit of give and take IMO...

[KKS]

should use some p*pper spray on those mor*ns..
we build a good championship, make huge audience, than people come to a rally to watch by own eyes.... and stages cancelled due huge rally audience... fck!!! what a reason to build it than? To add more internet and TV fans only?
Stupid organizers & Mouton

[er88]

Why don't the retards just move back when Michelle and other safety crews go round and tell them to. Bastards

Rather watch the action from a tiny bit back than freezing your bollocks off only to get it cancelled

[EstWRC]

everybody still standing there and not moving to next stage

[dupanton]

we build a good championship, make huge audience, than people come to a rally to watch by own eyes.... and stages cancelled due huge rally audience... fck!!! what a reason to build it than? To add more internet and TV fans only?
Stupid organizers & Mouton

Have you considered the possibility that the situation is really dangerous? I prefer cancelling a stage where spectators are really placed dangerous than to have a bad accident with spectators...

[itix]

we build a good championship, make huge audience, than people come to a rally to watch by own eyes.... and stages cancelled due huge rally audience... fck!!! what a reason to build it than? To add more internet and TV fans only?
Stupid organizers & MoutonHuge audience too close to the road and as usual not listening to the safety marshals.

And I agree. Pepper spray those who do not comply.

What is actually positive is that ACM finally seem to take safety more seriously.

[Tauri_J]

everybody still standing there and not moving to next stage

why would they? this is monte, moving stage to stage is very difficult

[AnttiL]

Tyre strategy now has changed completely and the guys who were betting for slippery conditions are now quite screwed...

The same as in Catalunya where Ott was risking it with the rain tyres and the most rainy stage was cancelled.

[Tauri_J]

we build a good championship, make huge audience, than people come to a rally to watch by own eyes.... and stages cancelled due huge rally audience... fck!!! what a reason to build it than? To add more internet and TV fans only?
Stupid organizers & Mouton

no, stupid fans

a spectator was killed 2 years ago

[Mintexmemory]

Am on SS5 and already getting told to move back despite there being a huge ditch between me and the road (and the bank being 1m up from the road). Needs a bit of give and take IMO...

There are certain events, Monte is one of them, where an arsey woman telling a bunch of testosterone fuelled guys having a macho cuture to do something is bound to make co-operation difficult. Maybe a new FIA Safety Co-ordinator is required?

[EstWRC]

why would they? this is monte, moving stage to stage is very difficult

i mean drivers.

E: Suninen just started goin as i wrote

[Mintexmemory]

no, stupid fans

a spectator was killed 2 years ago

Yes - going to a deliberately impossible location. A lot of difference I'd suggest

[AnttiL]

i mean drivers.

Probably takes a while to turn the cars around?

[EstWRC]

they are going now trhough the stage, quite a good recce for them ,hehe

[krissucool]

Suck a dick, spectators. Suck a dick.

[dodge33cymru]

Why don't the retards just move back when Michelle and other safety crews go round and tell them to. Bastards

Rather watch the action from a tiny bit back than freezing your bollocks off only to get it cancelledBecause some of those people have been spectating here for 30 years, know perfectly good places to stand and arrive 4-5 hours before the stages to be there (tell me another sport with fans doing this) only to be told to move for some blanket 20m rule with no context applied.

I don't know the specifics but if you haven't seen them then don't judge so quickly. The sport has done a good job creating more interest but with so few stages there are more people watching with far fewer places to spectate from.

With only two stages tomorrow it could be a disaster.

[Tauri_J]

now when rallies are so short anyway, every cancellation is even worse

[Tarmop]

This stage was new...standing there for 30 years is safe yes.

[KKS]

Have you considered the possibility that the situation is really dangerous? I prefer cancelling a stage where spectators are really placed dangerous than to have a bad accident with spectators...
we have here people that standing in safe position and that safety crews told him to move to 'safe' spot. C'mon they already there! And that cancelled 'too fast' Sweden stage in 2017 told a lot to what safety approach they take. Go 50m of a road or stage will be cancelled. It's not right at all.

So I don't think that real situation so bad as Mouton describing.

[TypeR]

splits still working haha

[itix]

There are certain events, Monte is one of them, where an arsey woman telling a bunch of testosterone fuelled guys having a macho cuture to do something is bound to make co-operation difficult. Maybe a new FIA Safety Co-ordinator is required?This ^

It pisses me off so much that a few people with too big egos ruin it for not only the several thousand that is also along the same stage but the millions sitting at home watching this.

Not to mention for the marshals, the volunteers, the coc, and everybody at the service park who could have slept 1 more hour this morning.

...and the sponsors.

There should be a court where the economic consequences can be settled against the retards who don't comply. That'd get people listening.

[T16]

Settled down for some fun watching on WRC+ ....but bloody Colin Clarks delivery, shoot him someone!

Him and Desbrough really need binning. The rest do a good job.

[dupanton]

we have here people that standing in safe position and that safety crews told him to move to 'safe' spot. C'mon they already there! And that cancelled 'too fast' Sweden stage in 2017 told a lot to what safety approach they take. Go 50m of a road or stage will be cancelled. It's not right at all.

So I don't think that real situation so bad as Mouton describing.
They don't cancel a stage very quickly so I think this might be really dangerous situation. I'm not there, you aren't there. Imposible to judge.

[KKS]

no, stupid fans

a spectator was killed 2 years ago
after Mouton checked stage as 'safe'. it need 30sec to move from safe to unsafe spot. Mouton pass stage 30 min before rally cars. So a lot of things can change, and we need cancel all stages int that reason?

[Lead]

Tanak fastest by almost a minute at first split :D

[Tauri_J]

One plus with more stages and stage kilometres is that people would be more evenly divided between stages. But these idiots keep shortening rallies and this way the stages will get more and more overcrowded what will eventually lead to cancelling stages.

[Norm75]

Because some of those people have been spectating here for 30 years, know perfectly good places to stand and arrive 4-5 hours before the stages to be there (tell me another sport with fans doing this) only to be told to move for some blanket 20m rule with no context applied.

I don't know the specifics but if you haven't seen them then don't judge so quickly. The sport has done a good job creating more interest but with so few stages there are more people watching with far fewer places to spectate from.

With only two stages tomorrow it could be a disaster.

Part of the problem. Spectators may think they are in a safe place, and they may well be, but arguing the toss and staying put is futile.
The organisers don't want the massive cost, hassle and negativity a fatal accident would bring.
Spectators should just comply, rather than ruining the stage for fans watching at home, drivers, team crews, TV crews, and for themselves.

[Mintexmemory]

There are clearly some members of this forum who have never stood on the side of a road or experienced Mouton's intransigence. In most locations 20m is either impossible or unnecessary. There is never any thought about trajectory or paths - just 'back 20 m'!

[AnttiL]

One plus with more stages and stage kilometres is that people would be more evenly divided between stages. But these idiots keep shortening rallies and this way the stages will get more and more overcrowded what will eventually lead to cancelling stages.

This is what you get when you don't arrange super specials, the normal stages get overcrowded

Disclaimer: This is a joke.

[itix]

Because some of those people have been spectating here for 30 years, know perfectly good places to stand and arrive 4-5 hours before the stages to be there (tell me another sport with fans doing this) only to be told to move for some blanket 20m rule with no context applied.

I don't know the specifics but if you haven't seen them then don't judge so quickly. The sport has done a good job creating more interest but with so few stages there are more people watching with far fewer places to spectate from.

With only two stages tomorrow it could be a disaster.Except they were asked to move 20 m back, not to relocate and all of us who have been to the Monte know full well that fans stand in the stupidest of places every bloody year and the fact that more people haven't been killed is a miracle.

Mouton and her team are all ex drivers who knows where the cars end up when they go off so when she tells you to move, you move.

[Tauri_J]

after Mouton checked stage as 'safe'. it need 30sec to move from safe to unsafe spot. Mouton pass stage 30 min before rally cars. So a lot of things can change, and we need cancel all stages int that reason?

Have you been at a rally? this pretty much happens in every rally.

People move back into safety when safety cars and zero cars are passing. Once they're gone the'll move closer again. Its always been like this.

[EstWRC]

it seems Ott didnt get it that the stage is cancelled.

[AnttiL]

Because some of those people have been spectating here for 30 years, know perfectly good places to stand

Well at least this is a completely new stage.

[Mirek]

There was sort of unwritten spectator rule few years back that you never go to the first stage of Monte because it won't run. This time it moved to the first morning stage...

[dodge33cymru]

There are certain events, Monte is one of them, where an arsey woman telling a bunch of testosterone fuelled guys having a macho cuture to do something is bound to make co-operation difficult. Maybe a new FIA Safety Co-ordinator is required?I don't agree with that; gender or 'machoism' have nothing to do with it.

Lack of context in stewarding on the other hand... they're limiting more and more places so no wonder people feel they have to move around - if they allowed people to stand in safe spots (e.g. raised banks and walls) instead of blanket applying a rule, there would be fewer issues IMO.

[KKS]

I really want to see pictures of a lot of fans standing in unsafe positions, what caused a stage cancellation. And I bet it's not too bad to cancel it.

[itix]

There was sort of unwritten spectator rule few years back that you never go to the first stage of Monte because it won't run. This time it moved to the first morning stage...Well eventually when enough people follow that rule, the first stage will be free enough to run. Maybe it became second stage, and now third instead ;)

[er88]

There are clearly some members of this forum who have never stood on the side of a road or experienced Mouton's intransigence. In most locations 20m is either impossible or unnecessary. There is never any thought about trajectory or paths - just 'back 20 m'!I've stood on plenty of stage sides, and know some of the spectator zones and marshalls/safety crews can be a bit OTT.

However if I was in a massive crowd on a very fast high speed section and everyone was told to just move back a little or the stage is binned, what's the point in not moving? So you can massage your own ego/ claim you know better, just for the stage to get binned for everyone else watching in "safer" places or around the world. It's probably going to have a massive effect on the rally too, with the tyre choices made around needing studs for SS3.

It's pointless

[krissucool]

Lets all just agree that Mouton is a bad person.

[dodge33cymru]

Except they were asked to move 20 m back, not to relocate and all of us who have been to the Monte know full well that fans stand in the stupidest of places every bloody year and the fact that more people haven't been killed is a miracle.

Mouton and her team are all ex drivers who knows where the cars end up when they go off so when she tells you to move, you move.I've just gone wandering. Was stood on a perfectly safe bank, nowhere near a corner with a ditch and 5m between me and the road. Because of the bank, moving 10m further back means I couldn't see the road. Start again...

[KKS]

Have you been at a rally? this pretty much happens in every rally.

People move back into safety when safety cars and zero cars are passing. Once they're gone the'll move closer again. Its always been like this.
yep. And I know that "20m back or you died" not backed by anything, or "you don't permited to walk into that forest cuz I'll been instructed to not let anyone in".

[Rallyper]

1) Marshalls on site haven´t done their job.
2) Mouton didn´t do her job. Should have stayed at sight until they got further back. Instead she stopped at finish and yelled...

[Francis44]

Instead of blaiming the spectators how about we look at the good examples on the calendar? Portugal has it all figured out when it comes to spectator safety, ofcourse for those watching it makes for a considerably less enjoyable race, but the example is there and it is very simple to copy it. Ofcourse the real truth is when it comes to MC organizers they cant be bothered.

[itix]

I've just gone wandering. Was stood on a perfectly safe bank, nowhere near a corner with a ditch and 5m between me and the road. Because of the bank, moving 10m further back means I couldn't see the road. Start again...Do you remember the incident with the Clio in that Italian rally in Valle d'Aoste (forgot the name of the rally but it is irrelevant) a few years back?

People stood on an embankment a bit away from the road, nowhere near a corner.

The clio came flying anyway and one girl had to throw herself back not to get the car over her.

Embankments of only one meter are not safe.

[Tarmop]

It`s not easy to copy, beacuse roads and scenery are different.

[KKS]

2) Mouton didn´t do her job. Should have stayed at sight until they got further back. Instead she stopped at finish and yelled...
:champion: my God!

[TypeR]

Instead of blaiming the spectators how about we look at the good examples on the calendar? Portugal has it all figured out when it comes to spectator safety, ofcourse for those watching it makes for a considerably less enjoyable race, but the example is there and it is very simple to copy it. Ofcourse the real truth is when it comes to MC organizers they cant be bothered.
at the end, it's still the dumb spectators, who ruined the stage

[jparker]

No one can change voluntary crowd behavior, but one can certainly take appropriate measures to force them to comply.

[Rallyper]

It`s not easy to copy, beacuse roads and scenery are different.

It´s all about speed.

[EstWRC]

next stage will start 10.33 local time

[Tarmop]

Yep, that`s what they did. strictly implying that we won`t get any rallying when you don`t follow the orders.

[Tarmop]

It´s all about speed.

No, it is not. Well ofc, in a way it is, but you don`t need speed when you have slick tyres and snow/ice...and speed isn`t an issue when it`s big on a straight, flat landscape with studded tyres.

[itix]

I've just gone wandering. Was stood on a perfectly safe bank, nowhere near a corner with a ditch and 5m between me and the road. Because of the bank, moving 10m further back means I couldn't see the road. Start again...Found it... This one
https://youtu.be/qlLolGuqo9o

Embankments need to be higher than one meter to make them safe. Things happens on straights also, especially in a rally where grip levels are inconsistent and the asphalt bumpy.

[AL14]

Instead of blaiming the spectators how about we look at the good examples on the calendar? Portugal has it all figured out when it comes to spectator safety, ofcourse for those watching it makes for a considerably less enjoyable race, but the example is there and it is very simple to copy it. Ofcourse the real truth is when it comes to MC organizers they cant be bothered.

I don't like how Portugal sorted it out. I think that if organizers tell you to move you should move. End of discussion. If you are in bad place they cancel the stage and it's all your fault. Sometimes organizers can be too strict? Yes but I don't think this is the Mouton case. I've been in Monte twice and she has always been flexible and used common sense. Something that spectators in bad places should do as well.

[AnttiL]

next stage will start 10.33 local time

So it's about 20 minutes delayed.

[AnttiL]

Found it... This one
https://youtu.be/qlLolGuqo9o

Embankments need to be higher than one meter to make them safe. Things happens on straights also, especially in a rally where grip levels are inconsistent and the asphalt bumpy.

It is absolutely stupid to be seated while watching rally. Especially sitting on the bank, it's just suicidal. You should always expect the unexpected and be prepared to escape. But then again, I wouldn't go on a one metre bank on the outside of a fast corner even standing up.

[AnttiL]

I really want to see pictures of a lot of fans standing in unsafe positions, what caused a stage cancellation. And I bet it's not too bad to cancel it.

Well why did they then cancel? I would imagine it's the last thing they want to do.

[AnttiL]

I've just gone wandering. Was stood on a perfectly safe bank, nowhere near a corner with a ditch and 5m between me and the road. Because of the bank, moving 10m further back means I couldn't see the road. Start again...

While you're there, make sure your stage doesn't get cancelled as well, look after others who might be in a bad place. I'm sure you want that as much or even more than us at home watching All Live. :)

[AndyRAC]

It will likely happen again, and again....
Too many fans trying to spectate in the same stage. Why not try running more stages and/ or over a greater geographical area...

[logic]

Some of the comments here are just plain stupid. was she supposed to stop there to make them move and delay the stage?
Fact is some spectators are just ignorant and they do not listen, she did the right thing. If some one was killed or injured you all would get on about how the sport is not safe and Michelle did not do her job.

[itix]

It is absolutely stupid to be seated while watching rally. Especially sitting on the bank, it's just suicidal. You should always expect the unexpected and be prepared to escape. But then again, I wouldn't go on a one metre bank on the outside of a fast corner even standing up.Regardless of sitting or standing, they could have tripped while trying to run away too. Being on that low embankment to begin with was stupid. The only smart ones were the ones further up the hillside.

[KKS]

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