Rallye WRC Monte Carlo 2019

[Tarmop]

Then we would get complains from spectators and teams, why they have to spend so much time driving on public roads and service...

[Simmi]

Instead of blaiming the spectators how about we look at the good examples on the calendar? Portugal has it all figured out when it comes to spectator safety, ofcourse for those watching it makes for a considerably less enjoyable race, but the example is there and it is very simple to copy it. Ofcourse the real truth is when it comes to MC organizers they cant be bothered.

The amount of meathead police with guns in Portugal tends to do the trick. The stage/road is lava over there. You can't step on it. That's one way to lock down a rally. Certainly isn't my preference but you didn't ever feel like a stage would get cancelled. Even with big numbers of people. From my experience of that event anyway.

[masa90]

On rally finland they have relaxed the rules for spectators quite a bit. Most behave well with freedom, but I have witnessed some horrible examples where only luck has been saving them. Worst is lying "hidden" on a ditch at a corner and then also people standing 1 m from road at the landing of a big jump. I think MM etc do mainly good work, shame that it has to go that far as cancelling stages.

[itix]

The amount of meathead police with guns in Portugal tends to do the trick. The stage/road is lava over there. You can't step on it. That's one way to lock down a rally. Certainly isn't my preference but you didn't ever feel like a stage would get cancelled. Even with big numbers of people. From my experience of that event anyway.The safety organization there have learnt from the past unlike this one. We all remember what Portugal used to look like with the sea of spectators dividing as if struck by the staff of Moses.

[MTA]

Is rally radio working for you? 3 minutes then I have to restart it.

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[dodge33cymru]

Found it... This one
https://youtu.be/qlLolGuqo9o

Embankments need to be higher than one meter to make them safe. Things happens on straights also, especially in a rally where grip levels are inconsistent and the asphalt bumpy.Fair play. It's larger than a metre because it's taller than I but will post a photo later and let you judge :)

Here's hoping that's the last cancellation anyway.

[AnttiL]

The safety organization there have learnt from the past unlike this one. We all remember what Portugal used to look like with the sea of spectators dividing as if struck by the staff of Moses.

And also a number of dead bodies.

[RS]

Is stage starting? BT are still showing preview programme.

[jparker]

Some of the comments here are just plain stupid. was she supposed to stop there to make them move and delay the stage?
Fact is some spectators are just ignorant and they do not listen, she did the right thing. If some one was killed or injured you all would get on about how the sport is not safe and Michelle did not do her job.
Who said Michelle should do it? Don't mark other people as stupid with more stupidity. Police and arrests will certainly do the job.

[AnttiL]

Is stage starting? BT are still showing preview programme.

delayed until 10:33 for now

[denkimi]

Well why did they then cancel? I would imagine it's the last thing they want to do.
if there are problems with spectators, canceling a stage is the best thing they can do. not because of safety on that stage, but because it shows spectators they are not afraid to cancel some. it makes spectators think, and even makes them angry so they will try to enforce safe places and distances on others themself.

[AnttiL]

if there are problems with spectators, canceling a stage is the best thing they can do.

I know, but I was just responding to KKS who suggested there wasn't actually any real problems with spectators.

[jparker]

if there are problems with spectators, canceling a stage is the best thing they can do. not because of safety on that stage, but because it shows spectators they are not afraid to cancel some. it makes spectators think, and even makes them angry so they will try to enforce safe places and distances on others themself.

This will never work. This happened last year too. Did they learn? No, not at all.

[ernestcooke91]

SS5https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxvn4fTWwAAFqam.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxvn2qfW0AABQWi.jpg

Where approximately on SS5 is this?

[Tarmop]

Works quite well, not all the time, ofc not, but most of the time.

[denkimi]

This will never work. This happened last year too. Did they learn? No, not at all.
oh trust me, it works. nothing pisses people off more than making them stand in the cold for hours and then cancelling the stage.

unfortunately they will have forgotten about it next year. perhaps they wont even remember it till sunday.

[er88]

Put yourself in Mouton's shoes. How would you feel if you were unhappy with a big crowd of spectators standing in an area you thought was risky - and despite worrying about it, let the stage run and a car ploughs into many people. Could you have that on your conscience for the rest of your life - that you ignored your instinct, worries and judgement from years in the sport, to take a chance and let the stage run. It would be on you.

99% of the time in sure it'd run safely, but she can't take the chance. It's different if it's one idiot who's positioned in a bad place - they might not even be picked up or spotted by any of the marshalls or safely crews. But after warning the crowd of people to move back or the stage is cancelled - and also doing it on AllLive too, she couldn't then let it run if they didn't move sufficiently. Spectators just had to suck it up and watch from a different place.

Marshalls and organisers could've done a better job earlier on of sorting the problem I agree, but Monte has always been too relaxed with spectator safety compared to other events it seems.

[KKS]

This will never work. This happened last year too. Did they learn? No, not at all.
Agree. If here any problem with a spectators, just stop and solve it. Delay for 30 min it's better than 30min delay and stage cancellation

[KKS]

Where approximately on SS5 is this?
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1088718758141743104



Conditions on SS5. Slippery ice on places, but mostly the white stuff have traction on our 2km sample. Some postcard views too.

[Rally Power]

I don't agree with that; gender or 'machoism' have nothing to do with it.

Lack of context in stewarding on the other hand... they're limiting more and more places so no wonder people feel they have to move around - if they allowed people to stand in safe spots (e.g. raised banks and walls) instead of blanket applying a rule, there would be fewer issues IMO.

Spot on. The no go areas are apparently growing alongside an increasing number of spectators attending the event; besides, some spectators zones are badly choosen, providing a poor spectacle. Maybe the overall spectators boxes concept should be revised. Btw, blaming Mouton for the problem, as she’s only verifiyng the safety conditions, seems a bit brainless.

On the positive side, like denkimi is saying, let’s hope this early cancellation will make spectators realize they must take organizers orders seriously for the rest of the rally.

[KKS]

99% of the time in sure it'd run safely, but she can't take the chance. It's different if it's one idiot who's positioned in a bad place - they might not even be picked up or spotted by any of the marshalls or safely crews. But after warning the crowd of people to move back or the stage is cancelled - and also doing it on AllLive too, she couldn't then let it run if they didn't move sufficiently. Spectators just had to suck it up and watch from a different place.

Marshalls and organisers could've done a better job earlier on of sorting the problem I agree, but Monte has always been too relaxed with spectator safety compared to other events it seems.
It's rallying, not F1 with huge concrete blocks every 5 meters in deep. You never... NEVER can get 100% safety in rallying. So whats next? Cancel all sport and go back home playing more safe chess?

[EstWRC]

so stage4 is dry for 99%

[ernestcooke91]

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1088718758141743104

Thanks!

We're about to come onto SS5 now. The start and end of the stage look fast..... I'm going to presume this is somewhere on the middle of the stage

[jparker]

On the positive side, like denkimi is saying, let’s hope this early cancellation will make spectators realize they must take organizers orders seriously for the rest of the rally.
I doubt the troublemakers are real rally fans, who are going to visit another stage.

[Mirek]

Embankments need to be higher than one meter to make them safe. Things happens on straights also, especially in a rally where grip levels are inconsistent and the asphalt bumpy.

Sometimes when a really crazy accident happens you can be hit even hundred meters away (such as on Barum 2012 or the city stage in Finland many years a go). It happens from time to time and there is never 100% safety in rallying. Not saying that what usually happens in Monte is good but a charge for 100% safety in rallying doesn't make much sense either. You can achieve that only with no spectators around at all.

[N.O.T]

ss4 started.

[Rallyper]

Some of the comments here are just plain stupid. was she supposed to stop there to make them move and delay the stage?
Fact is some spectators are just ignorant and they do not listen, she did the right thing. If some one was killed or injured you all would get on about how the sport is not safe and Michelle did not do her job.

No. If it was that serious situation that stage could be cancelled she should have stopped at site and make them move. Only the Godess have in mind what will be decided...

[denkimi]

Sometimes when a really crazy accident happens you can be hit even hundred meters away (such as on Barum 2012 or the city stage in Finland many years a go). It happens from time to time and there is never 100% safety in rallying. Not saying that what usually happens in Monte is good but a charge for 100% safety in rallying doesn't make much sense either. You can achieve that only with no spectators around at all.
#driverslivesmattertoo :p

[Mirek]

#driverslivesmattertoo :p

What's the relevance to my statement?

[Rallyper]

Already you can see spectators standing on really wrong places on SS4... :(

[Francis44]

WTF is this shit WRC all live bitrate?! I mean you can stream the feed in HD but the onboard quality is just horrendous.

[EstWRC]

Neuville with good split times with his tyre choice atm

[stefanvv]

wrc.com is not working again. Somewhere else to watch splits?

[Simmi]

WTF is this shit WRC all live bitrate?! I mean you can stream the feed in HD but the onboard quality is just horrendous.

A problem that seems to be worse on the Monte. Scrambled signal in the mountains I guess - hard to get a smooth picture.

[jonkka]

What's the relevance to my statement?

I think he refers to 100% safety being achieved only with no spectators ignores the fact that drivers/co-drivers can crash and die too.

[Mirek]

WTF is this shit WRC all live bitrate?! I mean you can stream the feed in HD but the onboard quality is just horrendous.

It's not easy at all to transmit the signal from the cars in the mountains. That's a big challenge even in 21st century.

[Mirek]

I think he refers to 100% safety being achieved only with no spectators ignores the fact that drivers/co-drivers can crash and die too.

OK, but that that's a bit different topic than what was being discussed.

[noel157]

WTF is this shit WRC all live bitrate?! I mean you can stream the feed in HD but the onboard quality is just horrendous.

Glad it's not only me, rubbish quality but least we've a picture.

[EstWRC]

Toyotas losing a lot with their choice

[txl]

wrc.com is not working again. Somewhere else to watch splits?

If you switch the SS number the splits will show. But I'd prefer a better site too. Is there another site with splits?

[jonkka]

OK, but that that's a bit different topic than what was being discussed.

Sure is but you asked relevancy, I think that's what I provided.

[Rallyper]

Just refreshed. Up again.

[EstWRC]

and Neuvilel goes into the lead

[KKS]

Loeb -2.8 1st split .... hohooooo

[denkimi]

Loeb should ace this easily.

[EstWRC]

top 3 separated by 5 seconds! awesome!

[er88]

The GOAT is on the prowl

[Tauri_J]

Desborough is such an idiot

[EstWRC]

Loeb is aboslutely flying, he must be smiling that the first one got cancelled

the guys with stud got really f*cked

[RS]

Mikelssen going pretty well on this one.

[RS]

Greensmith quicker than Tidemand on first split.

[KKS]

Meeke with slow pace :(

[KKS]

wrc+ now again crashed... no words...

[RS]

Meeke with slow pace :(

Seems to be getting quicker as stage goes on.

[kiil]

Ffs wrc+

[satukata]

alllive crashed again

[Rallyper]

Mine is down as well. Try to refresh… Nothing helps...

[rage82]

Same problem as yesterday with wrc +, and we are paying for this service!!

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[RS]

Greensmith quicker than Tidemand on first split.


And so is Rovanpera.

[Francis44]

Mine is down as well. Try to refresh… Nothing helps...

Logged me out and cannot log back in unfortunately.

[Allez Andruet]

All Live down again...

[EstWRC]

Loeb fastest and goes 4th overall!!!

[kiil]

But Loeb on fire :-)

[itix]

Sometimes when a really crazy accident happens you can be hit even hundred meters away (such as on Barum 2012 or the city stage in Finland many years a go). It happens from time to time and there is never 100% safety in rallying. Not saying that what usually happens in Monte is good but a charge for 100% safety in rallying doesn't make much sense either. You can achieve that only with no spectators around at all.Of course not.
I've always claimed the same.

Not even tracks with their fancy safety fences can stop cars getting airborne and flying over the fence.

You try your best though and really, when the marshals or Mrs Mouton tell you to move, you move.

[Mirek]

Logged me out and cannot log back in unfortunately.

It still works on Android.

[N.O.T]

Loeb wins his first WRC rally stage with a non citroen car...

that is why you should not take shakedown seriously you mentally challenged kids...

[mufcAleksi]

Tidemand is horrendously slow

[KKS]

it's a champions style! Winning a stage with a puncture!

[rage82]

Loeb first with rear left puncture near the end of the stage :)

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[dupanton]

He is the only one without studs on the car though.
Not for the next stage anymore if he has a puncture...

[EstWRC]

Monte again shows what a difference the tyre choice makes. credit to Neuville and Loeb for this choice! especially Loeb

[MTA]

Is there any way to listen to rally radio?
It's doesn't work for me to restart it every 3 minutes.

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[AnttiL]

Monte again shows what a difference the tyre choice makes. credit to Neuville and Loeb for this choice! especially Loeb

I think the top 3 order will reshuffle on the next stage again

[Rallyper]

Tidemand should do better. Agree to that.

[er88]

Hyundais got the choice right. Loeb and Neuville with great times.

Toyotas struggled here, Jari the most...

Loeb and Meeke moaning a lot about road pollution

[Rallyper]

Is there any way to listen to rally radio?
It's doesn't work for me to restart it every 3 minutes.

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Radio works. On wrc.com

[RS]

Tidemand should do better. Agree to that.

I know he needs to be careful but slower than R5s is mad.

[KKS]

Is there any way to listen to rally radio?
It's doesn't work for me to restart it every 3 minutes.

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[Tauri_J]

Monte again shows what a difference the tyre choice makes. credit to Neuville and Loeb for this choice! especially Loeb

credit should go to the spectators

[Mirek]

Veiby lost nearly two minutes on first split.

[stefanvv]

credit should go to the spectators

They might be Loeb/Neuville fans.

[BigWorm]

Veiby lost nearly two minutes on first split.

Stopped at 4.1km according to eWRC

[AnttiL]

I know he needs to be careful but slower than R5s is mad.

Slower than a WRC2Pro driver with 12 minutes ahead of the next WRC2Pro car.

[Sulland]

Loeb still the king!
He is just amazing, hat off!

[stefanvv]

Is the next stage starting on-time?

[Entertainer]

Tidemand should do better. Agree to that.

Mmmhm, I defended him yesterday... but agree that this is just embarrassing. We'll see if the tire choice might have something affecting aswell but yes, a little disappointing to be so far off the pace.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted that they had to cancel SS3 which looked a great icy stage. Fans a problem on the Monte yet again. :(

On the plus side now only 5s covers the top 3 for a good battle.

[Sub_Skoda]

Is the next stage starting on-time?


No

[Mintexmemory]

They might be Loeb/Neuville fans.

Or Hyundai Rentamob ;)

[EstWRC]

SS5 somewhere is like this, oh boy. good luck stud fellas

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxv_EmSW0AAlFTd.jpg

[satukata]

ALLIve still down for me? is your working?

[dupanton]

De Mevius, Veiby and Ciamin all losing a lot of time on SS4

[FAlonso]

This ALL LIVE thing is getting out of hand. Too poor service for too much money.

Cannot login in any PC, Phone, etc.

[KKS]

If we couldn't cancel a stage - we cancel a WRC+. Subscribers stands in unsafe positions!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

On Twitter
Top ice crews coming through SS5 now. Here’s a clue for them: there’s lots of ice ❄️❄️❄️ #WRC #RallyeMonteCarlo

[denkimi]

This ALL LIVE thing is getting out of hand. Too poor service for too much money.

Cannot login in any PC, Phone, etc.
just like last year and the year before.

people don't learn.

[satukata]

Poor latvala.. p9 is not good...

[mknight]

Seriously there are still people that compare drivers on completely different tires as judge of performance.

Very good from Loeb yes, but impossible to compare when nobody else has same tires.
Also hard to say whether it was a brilliant choice or luck with stage cancellation.

[Rallyper]

Poor latvala.. p9 is not good...

One minute isn´t much this early.

[EstWRC]

i would say Neuvilles choice is very good, he has now 3 new studs which he can use on this stage.

[Mintexmemory]

Seriously there are still people that compare drivers on completely different tires as judge of performance.

Very good from Loeb yes, but impossible to compare when nobody else has same tires.
Also hard to say whether it was a brilliant choice or luck with stage cancellation.

Ogier just 11 seconds over the stage down on worse tyres. Interesting to see how that pans out on the icier 5th stage

[N.O.T]

Seriously there are still people that compare drivers on completely different tires as judge of performance.

Very good from Loeb yes, but impossible to compare when nobody else has same tires.
Also hard to say whether it was a brilliant choice or luck with stage cancellation.

neuville had the same tyres kid...

[dupanton]

i would say Neuvilles choice is very good, he has now 3 new studs which he can use on this stage.

Let's see how much he will loose now with 1 less studded tyre on the car.

[krissucool]

neuville had the same tyres kid...

No

[dupanton]

neuville had the same tyres kid...

No he didn't, better follow the rally...
3x Super soft - 1x Studded for Neuville
2x Super soft - 2x Soft for Loeb

[itix]

Logged me out and cannot log back in unfortunately.Same issue for me. Maybe time to invest in some new servers if they get so overloaded.

The popularity of the sport we've asked for for so many years has finally come to bite us in the butts.

[TypeR]

neuville had the same tyres kid...
Loeb had 2 soft and 2 SSofts
Neuville had 1 stud, 1 SSoft, 2 softs

[KKS]

Only one WRC Live now it's https://www.facebook.com/225590097494105/videos/530058924168280/

[Eli]

so.... what's the current standings including stage 5? or it hasn't finished yet?

[jonkka]

so.... what's the current standings including stage 5? or it hasn't finished yet?

Seems it just started

[rage82]

so.... what's the current standings including stage 5? or it hasn't finished yet?Just started

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[dodge33cymru]

so.... what's the current standings including stage 5? or it hasn't finished yet?Not started yet

[Eli]

God...does anything on this rally work properly? delayed start times, stage being cancelled, WRC+ down......

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Very icy in the shade.

[KKS]

God...does anything on this rally work properly? delayed start times, stage being cancelled, WRC+ down......
splits are fighting for they life still

[EstWRC]

oh shit what shot choice for Ott

[krissucool]

Arent Ott and Ogier driving on the same tyres? No?

[jonkka]

God...does anything on this rally work properly? delayed start times, stage being cancelled, WRC+ down......

All that is integral part of Monte Carlo Rally. Without those, it just wouldn't be the same.

[EstWRC]

Arent Ott and Ogier driving on the same tyres? No?

Ogier with softs, Ott with super softs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is more like Monte.

[EstWRC]

ott taking time back now, cant see neuvilles splits

[Eli]

All that is integral part of Monte Carlo Rally. Without those, it just wouldn't be the same.

But Of course lol

[mufcAleksi]

Latvala 7 up at split 3

[EstWRC]

what a run Latvalas is having, fastest so far

[KKS]

oh my GOD - Latvala pace!!!

[EstWRC]

Ott drops massively on dry but takes back on icy sections

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Slow Ott... +14s !

[EstWRC]

Great morning from Neuville, totally right tyre choice from him. Ogier also good

[Tarmop]

Slow Ott... +14s !

Just Monte, look what Loeb did yesterday and where he is now.

[EstWRC]

Ott: "destroyed our tyres on the previous one"

[ToughMac]

Loeb looks to be on another flyer.

[Mintexmemory]

Ott: "destroyed our tyres on the previous one"

...and that, in one statement, is what it's all about. What will be left in the van for tomorrow and Sunday.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott: "destroyed our tyres on the previous one"

Have to manage tyres... thats part of the game.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen goind pretty decent this morning, nice to see

[Tarmop]

Maybe he did? Just 17s off the lead, nothing in Monte as you can see from Neuville already.

[EstWRC]

Have to manage tyres... thats part of the game.

he can do that too, dont worry.

[Mintexmemory]

Maybe he did? Just 17s off the lead, nothing in Monte as you can see from Neuville already.

Looks like the same Monte as the last 2 years to me, though.

[Rallyper]

Now Tidemand got some speed. Faster than Evans on third split!

[Mintexmemory]

Loeb looks to be on another flyer.

Only on the first split - Meeke is quicker now!

[Tarmop]

Looks like the same Monte as the last 2 years to me, though.

Yup, because it`s classic Monte...Neuville was once 17. last year, ended up 5th...Ogier was once 8th in 2017, ended up winning it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First stage win by Ogier in the C3.

[EstWRC]

First stage win by Ogier in the C3.

and we have had many different winners so far. Tänak, Neuville, Ogier and Loeb

[KKS]

despite not bad stage time- Meeke drop to 9th :(

[dodge33cymru]

Think Ciamin has a rear puncture

[er88]

Loeb and Meeke struggling with road pollution. Meeke lost boost due to leaves in the grill. Nice to see Pontus a bit faster and Jari too

[EstWRC]

Day 2 so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/?leg=2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

and we have had many different winners so far. Tänak, Neuville, Ogier and Loeb

And all teams but M-Sport. Come on Elfyn !! ;)

[KKS]

wrclive back live exactly when rotated map comes on. Brilliant stuff!

[mufcAleksi]

so it's just the number of people trying to watch that is the problem, they don't have enough servers

[mufcAleksi]

better get it sorted immediately or we will have no pictures for the whole weekend

[N.O.T]

the afternoon loop will run without delay ?

[EstWRC]

dont know yet

[kiil]

Hard to say, but they will start from service on time.

[ToughMac]

Presume they will just run per the road book? Lost time or delayed time should be made up for in service.

[BobJones]

wrclive back live exactly when rotated map comes on. Brilliant stuff!

Would indicate a volume issue, quick buy some more servers guys!

[kiil]

Presume they will just run per the road book? Lost time or delayed time should be made up for in service.

Not in service, in regroup.

[EstWRC]

it seems the stage will start 10 minutes later, judging by Suninens start time on wrc plus.

14.34 local time then

[KKS]

so it's just the number of people trying to watch that is the problem, they don't have enough servers
I think that they didn't have so much uplink capacity to provide stream for BTSport an other and cutoff some platforms. And PC is a most audience. So BTSport and Android works. PC not

[flykas]

Day 2 so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/?leg=2

Loeb third and Tanak 5th? What? :]]

[Tarmop]

Loeb third and Tanak 5th? What? :]]

It`s not OA, but how quick someone has been today, in ss4 and 5.

[EstWRC]

All the three Toyotas down on the list unfortunately but it can all change with afternoon.


I saw someone in the morning sayin to drop this rally...Absolutely no, this is one of the best rallies on the calendar.

[106 sport]

All the three Toyotas down on the list unfortunately but it can all change with afternoon.


I saw someone in the morning sayin to drop this rally...Absolutely no, this is one of the best rallies on the calendar.

Probably the best, along with Finland.

[EstWRC]

Mäkinen absolutely furious in interview to estonian media about the cancelation, says all of their tyre strategy had been made considering that stage and the drivers would have been very fast there. Says that the FIA bosses still havent got it that they are in monte and the whole strategy is based on whole loop but now they screwed them. In his opinion all of the 3 stages should have been cancelled.

[dupanton]

Mäkinen absolutely furious in interview to estonian media about the cancelation, says all of their tyre strategy had been made considering that stage and the drivers would have been very fast there. Says that the FIA bosses still havent got it that they are in monte and the whole strategy is based on whole loop but now they screwed them. In his opinion all of the 3 stages should have been cancelled.

No. Just no.
Tomorrow or alter this year it can be benificial for Toyota. It happens, it's (bad) luck.

[EstWRC]

naahh he is just mad. i with you, no way they should have cancelled all of the stages.

he is also sayin he will not go to FIA meetings anymore, lol

[Lead]

Mäkinen absolutely furious in interview to estonian media about the cancelation, says all of their tyre strategy had been made considering that stage and the drivers would have been very fast there. Says that the FIA bosses still havent got it that they are in monte and the whole strategy is based on whole loop but now they screwed them. In his opinion all of the 3 stages should have been cancelled.

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

[er88]

Hopefully Meeke isn't bringing some more bad luck to the team lol. Thought they had enough of it last year with Tanak's retirements and the puncture in Spain.

But Meeke getting a puncture and losing 40s+ from nowhere on SS2, and then ss3 being cancelled when all 3 drivers had taken a tyre choice with an eye on that stage in particular, is not the best start.

At least all 3 cars are still running, hope to see Tanak have a go at Ogier and Neuville in the afternoon loop. Hopefully it's a 3 way fight for the win all weekend which can set us up brilliant for the season ahead.

[Tom206wrc]

Go, go Yoann Bonato :bounce:

[prodim]

One plus with more stages and stage kilometres is that people would be more evenly divided between stages. But these idiots keep shortening rallies and this way the stages will get more and more overcrowded what will eventually lead to cancelling stages.

This happens because some time in the future they want us to pay for seeing wrc..

[KKS]

naahh he is just mad. i with you, no way they should have cancelled all of the stages.

he is also sayin he will not go to FIA meetings anymore, lol
oh man, I just want to see that interview

[EstWRC]

its a written article, but i would have loved to see video one

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxviL33XgAA4Xc0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwMF9UXQAAlXiQ.jpg



Tanak yesterday high speed slide moment from different angle at 1,30 min
https://youtu.be/IgTRhnb9how?t=93

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50746327_2322011751183028_280367313234952192_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=51aa9e59a75cb8ece229e92c395e48d3&oe=5CB5A6F4

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwfDorXQAEoXNA.jpg

[lnvs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxviL33XgAA4Xc0.jpg
Such exciting photo. Glad they got helmets on so we know they are on stage. Not sure if the car is moving though... :rolleyes:

[tc10a]

Such exciting photo. Glad they got helmets on so we know they are on stage. Not sure if the car is moving though... :rolleyes:

Its after the finish of shakedown on the way to finish control. Very exciting place for sure ;)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwdQhcX0AEVkQ8.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwPnruWoAA6LBt.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxsHcyMWoAA-2r0.jpg

[EstWRC]

Citroën: 3 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin (PA) Studded + 1 SS6 +2 S6
Tanak/Meeke: 3 PA Studded +3 S6
Latvala: 4 PA studded +2 S6
Suninen/Evans/Loeb: 4 S6 +2 PA Studded
Tidemand/Neuville/Mikkelsen: 4 PA studded + 2 S6

[mknight]

Funny switch. Ogier and Tänak go for Neuville's pick from the morning and Neuville goes for Ogiers. Loeb stays basically same.

So it will be exciting but again hardly "fair" comparison of the cars/drivers.

[EstWRC]

Ogier thinks SS3/6 will be cancelled again

[dimviii]

Autosport
‏
Toyota #WRC team boss Makinen slams officials for Monte Carlo stage issues as Tanak drops to third, and threatens to withdraw drivers from Friday evening media duties

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/141179/makinen-slams-officials-over-stage-problems

[er88]

Well there we go guys, Ogier saying he can't see how stage 3/6 can run even this afternoon, as it's just way too busy. Said it was absolutely the right decision to cancel it even though it hurt his strategy, and only benefited the Hyundai's

[dupanton]

Edit: Too late, here already

[ruesluporp]

Loeb told WRC.com that he will not win the Monte Carlo this year! (due to very good drivers ahead of him)

[Rallyper]

the afternoon loop will run without delay ?

Doesn´t look that way. Very bad, they don´t even could stick to itenary for 2nd loop.

[EstWRC]

they just showed SS3 from the morning when Ogier drove it in road mode, man that was so slippery and snowy!

[Rallyper]

SS6 will be run!

[stefanvv]

SS6 will be run!

Looks like All live as well

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tommy is making himself look silly. Shit happens man, get on with it.

[stefanvv]

Mäkinen absolutely furious in interview to estonian media about the cancelation, says all of their tyre strategy had been made considering that stage and the drivers would have been very fast there. Says that the FIA bosses still havent got it that they are in monte and the whole strategy is based on whole loop but now they screwed them. In his opinion all of the 3 stages should have been cancelled.

So what? Most of the drivers had similar tyre strategy, including Ogier.

[Rallyper]

Mouton had some spanks on the lunch break...

[denkimi]

Once more we see how the best drivers with the wrong tyres are still faster than lesser drivers with the right tyres.

[EstWRC]

the first kilometres tottaly dry

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville off the wrong way !!

[Simmi]

Straight on moment for Thierry on the dry road. Too hot into the previous corner.

[EstWRC]

Ogier also had quite moment there

[stefanvv]

Neuville on wrong road:D

[noel157]

Very fortunate

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still icy up there...

[stefanvv]

Finally some fun in the snow

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville +19s...

[EstWRC]

wow what a comeback from Thierry

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Got it back now.. 6s wow.

[stefanvv]

What a difference 1 more studded tyre makes.

[KKS]

C'mon Thierry!!! Fight back!

[N.O.T]

Neuville gained quite a lot on Ogier on the second split....

[EstWRC]

andfaster tnow! incredible!

[EstWRC]

Look at Larvala, 10 seconds quicker in split 2

[N.O.T]

Neuville ahead now once more... what a drive !!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Slower after all. Weird.

[EstWRC]

Latvala is going to make up places here

[N.O.T]

suninen reports 7km with snow.

[EstWRC]

Tänak is not having the best day out there today, totally lost

[lnvs]

Suninen has 4 S6 +2 PA Studded and Porter can't understand why he doesn't use 4 studded on this stage. :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

expencive mistake from Neuville. He would have 20 sec difference

[N.O.T]

Suninen has 4 S6 +2 PA Studded and Porter can't understand why he doesn't use 4 studded on this stage. :rolleyes:

you still tune in to listen that crap though... and thats what matters.

[EstWRC]

Latvala lost a lot in the end, interesting

[deephouse]

haha Latvala always take time to look at the table

[N.O.T]

Latvala lost everything at the end, equal time to Ogier... very complicated stage

[EstWRC]

Lappi with some problems

[stefanvv]

Lappi puncture

[KKS]

troubles for Loeb

[N.O.T]

Loeb very slow.

[EstWRC]

Loeb is with 2 studs only, thats why

[KKS]

Lappi puncture
suspension

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi will be no help to Ogier here.

[EstWRC]

very very glad to see Mikkelsen showing pace today

[deephouse]

Mikkelsen have been finally back in the game. Just take out that minute gap.

[BobJones]

That wheel of Lappi's isn't just damaged, it's completely out of position, could be rally-ending.

[TypeR]

Mikkelsen must have read the forum and posts about his possible future in WRC :D

[dimviii]

Lappi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwxLDIW0AEpSI2.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen has 4 S6 +2 PA Studded and Porter can't understand why he doesn't use 4 studded on this stage. :rolleyes:

They amended it after he got their info.

[EstWRC]

very weird tyre choices from drivers here who had studs with them but still decided to go with slicks on this stage. Evans for example

[deephouse]

Lappi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwxLDIW0AEpSI2.jpg

That's Citroen famous suspension from first DS cars :P

[EstWRC]

Tidemand stopped

[stefanvv]

very weird tyre choices from drivers here who had studs with them but still decided to go with slicks on this stage. Evans for example

Did he really kept his studs in the boot, can't believe that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Think Evans only meant two slicks not four.

[dimviii]

Loeb very slow.

his choice is targeted to next stages,as per first loop

[stefanvv]

Bad rally for M-Sport

[wia5958]

Lappi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwxLDIW0AEpSI2.jpg


Seems the suspension issues followed him from toyota 🤔

[deephouse]

Bad rally for M-Sport

What did you expect from their whole lineup. Suninen is learning, Evans is stuck where he is, Tidemand is a newbie. And at least two driver if not three among all are sitting at home right now.

[AdvEvo]

his choice is targeted to next stages,as per first loop

Were do you loose more?
with studs on dry or with slicks in snow and ice.

I would use studs. Sliks in snow is zero grip.

[dimviii]

Were do you loose more?
with studs on dry or with slicks in snow and ice.

depents from hundreds of reasons,there is no rule

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle wow pretty good whatever the tyres.

[EstWRC]

what a time by Rovanpera

[Rallyper]

There goes WRC+... again?

Back again. seems unstable...

[KKS]

Seems the suspension issues followed him from toyota 樂
Or Lappi style followed Lappi himself, and no matter what car you crashing

[jonkka]

I would use studs. Sliks in snow is zero grip.

Studs hamper you for whole stage (+the clear parts of the other stages) whereas slicks are slower only on icy parts. Stages are not of equal distance either, so longer dry stage vs shorter icy matters more. Number and severity of the corners and uphill or downhill as on straights difference is small. And so on.

[er88]

What time is next stage starting?

[ELPE]

What about Tidemand, offroad or technical

[EstWRC]

We will see the next one now, if we take by morning then Ogier, Tänak, Meeke, Loeb should be very fast. Latvala and other stud guys will lose a lot. Remember in the morning Neuville and Loeb were 11 secs faster than everybody else