Rallye Monte Carlo 2015

[N.O.T]

well disregard what i said then....LOL

[René]

Any news about Loeb? I heard that he stopped but don't know if it's true

Stopped on the road between the end of special and the park. The team comes to search us. tweet from Loeb

[KKS]

well disregard what i said

I always do that. Don't remind me

[N.O.T]

nice comeback.

[Bartek]

nice comeback.

Oh Yes, he won 3 stages, he showed that old fox can still bite young drivers. For true rally fans this 7 stages was amazing

Robert crash: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1010219542326229

[Ounin]

Before it will be a VW parade -hope not, still two days to go- I'm very disappointed the ignorance on the WRC2.
Great performance of Koci & Lucás who's R5 debut is going great, also Lefebvre is doing well with Stephane Prevot, and the battle between these two as they did in WRC3; this deserves more attention. Even Kremer with old S2000 is doing very well. Still half on the rally now, hope much more to come. Shame no attention at all.

[makinen_fan]

Oh Yes, he won 3 stages, he showed that old fox can still bite young drivers. For true rally fans this 7 stages was amazing

Robert crash: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1010219542326229

:eek: lucky

[EightGear]

this guy even he crashes to often,he truly deserves to be at wrc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZfVH1mD72Y&feature=youtu.be
Those people in the ditch...

[tommeke_B]

That's Monte, it's normal there... It's (together with some editions of Rallye du Condroz in Belgium) the most dangerous event I ever visited. In the fast turns you can't find any marshalls, if there are a lot of people, a lot of people are in dangerous position, sometimes you can't do anything else if you want to see some action, as all people are near the road. I another WRC event they would cancel the stage, but this is not just any WRC event... ;)

[dimviii]

lololololololol @ first seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaG2PIUmA0U

[smsgrafica]

It's a pity Loeb crashed out of the rally, it would've been a great battle between the 2 Sebs.

So far it had been interesting seeing who could get the upper hand, even if the COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS made it impossible to judge how far/near both drivers were.

Shame on every other so-called-top-driver out there, because all of them chickened out of the race, competing like old grandmas on an afternoon drive to the shops.

JML could very well win a World Championship in the VW, if Ogier stumbles or has technical problems, but in my eyes, he would not make a true Champion.

Hats off to Tänak, who has done a really great job so far. What to say about Kubica? Again, very fast, but too much on the limit. He has to learn pacing himself, or this could end very bad for him.

Now a question to all of you who understand even just a tiny bit about rallying:

"Do you really think Ogier would take deeper cuts, thus risking an accident or loosing much time, just to throw some snow on the road?"

[stefanvv]

:eek: Unlucky

That is consequence of dangerous driving unfortunately.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT-UjijUyTo

[N.O.T]

Now a question to all of you who understand even just a tiny bit about rallying:

"Do you really think Ogier would take deeper cuts, thus risking an accident or loosing much time, just to throw some snow on the road?"

i will let Ogier reply to you...

1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): We tried to make some cuts and put some snow on the road for the cars behind, we try to make an advantage. I did some small mistake but not so bad.

[tommeke_B]

It's nothing new, has been done for ages in every level of the sport...

[smsgrafica]

i will let Ogier reply to you...

You know the definition of sarcasm, do you?

[stefanvv]

"Do you really think Ogier would take deeper cuts, thus risking an accident or loosing much time, just to throw some snow on the road?"

I don't claim I'm the ultimate expert in Rallying, but doesn't matter what we think, I just think he wouldn't do it. What is the point? Lets say it is about Loeb, there are 10 cars between them?!? Ogier is just doing his Rally, like always.

[N.O.T]

You know the definition of sarcasm, do you?

yes but it depends on the person if it is successful or not...

[KKS]

lololololololol @ first seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaG2PIUmA0U

Loeb say "hello" to part of this forum :D

[Mintexmemory]

You know the definition of sarcasm, do you?

Unfortunately the sense of proportion among Ogier-haters doesn't exist when they smell blood! The guy was pulling their string but they are too stupid to realise :)!

[N.O.T]

Unfortunately the sense of proportion among Ogier-haters doesn't exist when they smell blood! The guy was pulling their string but they are too stupid to realise :)!

how do you know ?

[Langdale Forest]

i will let Ogier reply to you...

1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): We tried to make some cuts and put some snow on the road for the cars behind, we try to make an advantage. I did some small mistake but not so bad.

So no wonder everyone thinks it's Ogier.

"Great, now everyone thinks it's me" (not ogier quote.)

[drive]

full respect to both Sebs (must be something with that name what makes them so fast...) - unfortunately one down, but one still on top, by massive 1m45s...

so if we take MASTERS out of the story (because they are both MASTERS/SEBS) and they are way above the rest..., other drivers still keep fighting for what is left: VW drivers are the best as expected with superior car, but I'm glad that ford/Christmastree car/Hyundai guys still within a minute between them so to say!

Good stuff!

[smsgrafica]

yes but it depends on the person if it is successful or not...

Oh look! Evans, Ogier, Kubica, Protasov and Latvala trying to put more snow on the road!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI2Rq2O1PN0

[dimviii]

So far it had been interesting seeing who could get the upper hand, even if the COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS made it impossible to judge how far/near both drivers were.

if you watch carefully at which stages(and what length had these stages) Loeb or Ogier had the right choice,its not difficult to see how far/near they were.Watch also other drivers comments about the right tyre choices,and if the road was better/worse after some passages.
Ogier had better choices at more than 80 stages kms vs Loeb was at some 35.But the difference wasnt accordingly.
That he is retired,41 years old,and has 15 months to compete i dont want to reckon.




"Do you really think Ogier would take deeper cuts, thus risking an accident or loosing much time, just to throw some snow on the road?"
these small snowbanks at plenty of places are inside the road,where you cant find rocks.Its not the 1st time that happens.Remember Makinen at Portugal many years back at gravel that is much mre risky.Except that he admited it at an interview at stop stage.

[Mintexmemory]

If he reached service and the gap is 6mins from the top tomorrow a top 5 is within his abilities.... we will see... there is life and majesty in the old dog, lets hope that piece of junk citroen holds.

10 minute pen! So don't think the old dog can pull that back

[denkimi]

this guy even he crashes to often,he truly deserves to be at wrc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZfVH1mD72Y&feature=youtu.be

i have the feeling he will crash horribly again one day and wound or even kill himself or someone else.

[smsgrafica]

if you watch carefully at which stages(and what length had these stages) Loeb or Ogier had the right choice,its not difficult to see how far/near they were.Watch also other drivers comments about the right tyre choices,and if the road was better/worse after some passages.
Ogier had better choices at more than 80 stages kms vs Loeb was at some 35.But the difference wasnt accordingly.
That he is retired,41 years old,and has 15 months to compete i dont want to reckon.

These are just thoughts. I would've loved to see them start one after the other and have a go at it!

2013 was great for that, at least 4 times!

[N.O.T]

The fact that some kittens compare a 32 year old guy in his prime driving the best car... to a retired 41 white haired guy driving an inferior vehicle means a lot... for both of them...

ΤΣΟ και ΛΟ

[Bartek]

lololololololol @ first seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaG2PIUmA0U

So they repaired the car and then stopped?

[denkimi]

You know the definition of sarcasm, do you?
there's nothing sarcastic about ogier's reply. he tries to throw as much mud and snow on the road as he can.

they all do it if they can.

[N.O.T]

there's nothing sarcastic about ogier's reply. he tries to throw as much mud and snow on the road as he can.

they all do it if they can.

Thank you captain obvious...

[stefanvv]

The fact that some kittens compare a 32 year old guy in his prime driving the best car... to a retired 41 white haired guy driving an inferior vehicle means a lot... for both of them...

ΤΣΟ και ΛΟ

Well I must say as objective observer I only saw comparisons coming from Loeb fans these 2 days:D:D

[denkimi]

Thank you captain obvious...

for some people it is not obvious. some still believe good guys finish first.

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20150123-2691-low-VW-WRC15-01-RB5-0285.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1503378_496170017223166_857457101362005874_n.jpg?o h=86f4250488cb46b97f5266a0eadd4cdf&oe=555FE8BB

[Langdale Forest]

there's nothing sarcastic about ogier's reply. he tries to throw as much mud and snow on the road as he can.

they all do it if they can.

but he is the only driver to ever admit to doing it. But some people admit to doing stuff and then deny it.

[stefanvv]

I realize now some of Ogier's jokes are potentially dangerous for the people

[N.O.T]

Well I must say as objective observer I only saw comparisons coming from Loeb fans these 2 days:D:D

who would you compare him with ? meeke ?

[dimviii]

These are just thoughts. I would've loved to see them start one after the other and have a go at it!

2013 was great for that, at least 4 times!

thoughts what? that he had better tyre choice at the long 25km stages x4 times is a thought?
driver quotes like Meeke,Latvala,Neuville,Kubica through these stages are thoughts?
that the road was worse after 18 passages is a thought even mention it 5 different drivers?

[rayh_mx]

i will let Ogier reply to you...

1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): We tried to make some cuts and put some snow on the road for the cars behind, we try to make an advantage. I did some small mistake but not so bad.
Or maybe, the right anser will be

1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): Did you notice? I'll try to make it less obvious in the following stages

[dimviii]

So they repaired the car and then stopped?

probably these straps couldnt cope with the distance to service park.

[Langdale Forest]

who would you compare him with ? meeke ?

Don't try and say meeke is a bad driver, snow pulled on the road by ogier caused him to crash.

[dimviii]

Well I must say as objective observer I only saw comparisons coming from Loeb fans these 2 days:D:D

be sure that if they had something to compare they would do.

[stefanvv]

who would you compare him with ? meeke ?

That wasn't my point. Of course it must be between them, but as Loeb fans admitted not one time, what is the point? May be Loeb should have 1 more year when the eternal fight would happen and misunderstanding would not be so many..... 1.5 year away, wrong tyre choice, lot older, bla-bla-bla. I can only see comparisons from Loeb fans, that is the truth

[tommeke_B]

Don't try and say meeke is a bad driver, snow pulled on the road by ogier caused him to crash.

LOL... Nobody to blame except Meeke himself, he crashed on that spot, who else? The snow was there for everyone! Meeke is one of my favourite drivers, especially from a spectator point of view, but there's no reason to blame Ogier for his crash.

[dimviii]

I realize now some of Ogier's jokes are potentially dangerous for the people
Jokes?
the result of his ''jokes'' is visible at service parks even at his hometown.
Maybe rally fans they dont understant his ''jokes''.

[N.O.T]

That wasn't my point. Of course it must be between them, but as Loeb fans admitted not one time, what is the point? May be Loeb should have 1 more year when the eternal fight would happen and misunderstanding would not be so many..... 1.5 year away, wrong tyre choice, lot older, bla-bla-bla. I can only see comparisons from Loeb fans, that is the truth

and that means ???

[denkimi]

but he is the only driver to ever admit to doing it. But some people admit to doing stuff and then deny it.
is this the first rally you follow?

they have been doing and admitting it for a long long time.

[stefanvv]

and that means ???

:D long story short - looks like Loeb fans are making all the noise, may be need to prove something, I don't know this

[Langdale Forest]

LOL... Nobody to blame except Meeke himself, he crashed on that spot, who else? The snow was there for everyone! Meeke is one of my favourite drivers, especially from a spectator point of view, but there's no reason to blame Ogier for his crash.

You do realise I was jokeing?
It's sarcasm, and you can't get any funnier than this...
"great, now everyone thinks it's me". I couldent stop laughing.

[N.O.T]

prove what ?

[rayh_mx]

but there's no reason to blame Ogier for his crash.

Isn't logic but is funny :D

[dimviii]

I can only see comparisons from Loeb fans, that is the truth

and thats something bad? what do you want to say? cant understant you.Explain please.

[Negaiss]

From point of view - Robert Kubica is Super and very good for WRC. He is capable of wining stages and has proven it more one once. He is a natural talant. It prefer those type of drivers many times more than regulars with no stage wining capabilities. And please don''t forget, one of his arms is in very bad condition with a very serios injury.

Go Robert, show the world that You can.

[dimviii]

:D long story short - looks like Loeb fans are making all the noise, may be need to prove something, I don't know this

to proove what? that a retired 41 years old was the only one that could fight with a worse car and a team with half budget?
doen t need any proofs,are FACTS.

[smsgrafica]

I'll be 100% clear: I hate Loeb for robbing us fans the chance of an epic year long battle between him and Ogier in 2013.

What remains from his five selfish guest appearances? Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes and disrespect for all the Citroen drivers...

[Langdale Forest]

From point of view - Robert Kubica is Super and very good for WRC. He is capable of wining stages and has proven it more one once. He is a natural talant. It prefer those type of drivers many times more than regulars with no stage wining capabilities. And please don''t forget, one of his arms is in very bad condition with a very serios injury.

Go Robert, show the world that You can.


He would be a good driver but he crashes too much, and his bad arm is no excuse, REMEMBER his crash in the 2007 Canadian GP?

I like Loeb's 'guest' appearances because that annoyed Ogier.

[dimviii]

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF
@CitroenRacing DS3 WRC back at service pack on truck after @SebastienLoeb crash

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DfZOwCMAEoGHQ.jpg

[smsgrafica]

to proove what? that a retired 41 years old was the only one that could fight with a worse car and a team with half budget?
doen t need any proofs,are FACTS.

I'll play your game for a couple of minutes and will try to feed you.

Retired? Didn't he just finish the WTCC and is about to start the new season?

He was the only one who could fight? Sure, by overdriving and doing 2 stupid mistakes. Just like Kubica.

[N.O.T]

Overdriving ? where you base that ?

you compare WTCC which is a track sport with rallying ?? so i guess solberg is not retired as well...

[stefanvv]

prove what ?

That's what I said, don't know. It just amuses me all the noise between these 2 French champions.

[dimviii]

I'll be 100% clear: I hate Loeb for robbing us fans the chance of an epic year long battle between him and Ogier in 2013.
why you dont hate Ogier that he run away? Loeb was present,Ogier went to vw=participate with skoda s2000.



What remains from his five selfish guest appearances? Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes and disrespect for all the Citroen drivers...

selfish? lolololol
if he was selfish he wouldnt rallied at these 4 rallies.He had only to loose and nothing to gain.

Loebhaters are big fun.Half of them say that Loeb run away.
The other half that is selfish that he came back.
You have to decide the excuses gyus.

[stefanvv]

prove what ?

That's what I said, don't know. It just amuses me all the noise between these 2 French champions.

EDIT: Looks the only sensible in this scenario is Ogier, he just let it go when joined VW

[bluuford]

So, tomorrow we have Chardonnet, Kubica, Meeke and Loeb all in front of Ogier. I expect Loeb win all the remaining stages and take at least one minute difference with closest non rally 2 competitor in the longest stage of the rally;-)

However, what we might expect tomorrow?
More sun than clouds, more clouds in the afternoon. A gfew degrees warmer weather than today. possibly more mud on the road. The key stage will definitely be the lastone (like today). It is runningt to the highest elevation and snow+ice is quaranteed. Wind should also pick up and it should create some flying snow without any snowfall from sky. Something new.

So, last studs will be used on last stage tomorrow. It looks like there is no need for studs on Sunday.

[Langdale Forest]

It is runningt to the highest elevation and snow+ice is quaranteed. Wind should also pick up and it should create some flying snow without any snowfall from sky. Something new.

.


So it's the wind putting the snow on the road and not Ogier? :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

So it's the wind putting the snow on the road and not Ogier? :rolleyes:

do you have some short of autism ?

[Quad]

Ho have WRC+ I recommend watching Kubica's onboards. This is some crazy amazing driving there :bandit:

[dimviii]

I'll play your game for a couple of minutes and will try to feed you.
welcome


Retired? Didn't he just finish the WTCC and is about to start the new season?
that they both had round black rubber tyres that is not the same.



He was the only one who could fight? Sure, by overdriving and doing 2 stupid mistakes. Just like Kubica.
have you seen the video when wheel came off? How do you say stupid mistake?Maybe wasn t lucky? if you saw car hadnt any scratch.
Even if was a mistake whats the problem.Has the best ratio of mistakes from anybody.

try harder.

[smsgrafica]

Overdriving ? where you base that ?

you compare WTCC which is a track sport with rallying ?? so i guess solberg is not retired as well...

C'mon, you are smarter than that. I'm just playing with Loeb Fan #1 dimviii!


why you dont hate Ogier that he run away? Loeb was present,Ogier went to vw=participate with skoda s2000.

selfish? lolololol
if he was selfish he wouldnt rallied at these 4 rallies.He had only to loose and nothing to gain.

Last reply from me on this subject.

Ogier just wanted to have the same chances, which he didn't have at Citroen. Therefore he left for VW, which was and is the only car who could've/can compete against Citroen.

Loeb is selfish in his guest starts, because IF you just want to have fun, than you compete with a private team, not taking away car, mechanics and manufacturer's points attribution from regular drivers. You really don't think they are unaffected by Loeb's presence, do you? You think Ostberg is happy to be the odd man out?

[rayh_mx]

Suppose we put all those WRC drivers retired but still active in the world motor Sainz, Loeb, Solberg compete in a round of the championship, choosing the place you want. Who could beat him Ogier?

For now, it is proven that the best driver / car combination is Ogier / VW as it was before Citroën / Loeb and before Makkinen / Mitsu so difficult to see that someone can actually beat

And I am not in favor of any Seb

[Langdale Forest]

do you have some short of autism ?

It's actually called sarcasm.


"Great now everyone thinks it's me" Sarcasm at it's very best, when you realise you will spend the rest of your life working in a chip shop, you might as well say something funny.

[dimviii]

arrived at service park
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Dex7HCUAIIsZz.jpg

[Rallyper]

I think everyone is kind of frustraded the way RMC happened to go. Let´s enjoy and hope we´ll have some competition before end of rally.

[N.O.T]

It's actually called sarcasm.

when sarcasm is repeated at a steady pace is called autism... i am not being funny... you should check that, autistic people are not only those you see in the movies remembering numbers ects.. there are many forms of autism and you come dangerously close.

[smsgrafica]

I fear that with Loeb out all other drivers will just relax and drive 'safely' to the finish. Well, not that it would be dramatically different from what we saw today... except for the Sebs!

[N.O.T]

I fear that with Loeb out all other drivers will just relax and drive 'safely' to the finish. Well, not that it would be dramatically different from what we saw today... except for the Sebs!

i do not think the others drivers cared much about the fight for the top... it is cruising speed for all now.

[Langdale Forest]

when sarcasm is repeated at a steady pace is called autism... i am not being funny... you should check that, autistic people are not only those you see in the movies remembering numbers ects.. there are many forms of autism and you come dangerously close.

Have you seen my edited post? It explains when you can use sarcasm.

[dimviii]

Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes ...

no you dont say exactly what happened.
At Monte was faster and with big margin
At Sweden was close till 2-3 stages from the end he decided to slow
At Argentina was clearly faster with big margin
At Alsace was close when he binned it.

Loeb was fast at all rallies at all terens and inside the fight for win.
Ogier wasn t able to fight at Monte and Argentina.
thats the truth,and not the way you want to show.

try harder.

[JTGANG]

Loeb is saying he will max attack tomorrow in order to get points for Citroen

[smsgrafica]

i do not think the others drivers cared much about the fight for the top... it is cruising speed for all now.

Neither do I, like I said previously, shame on them! All just chickening until RMC is over.

There's a reason why it's one of the most important motorsport events in the World!

[stefanvv]

I think everyone is kind of frustraded the way RMC happened to go. Let´s enjoy and hope we´ll have some competition before end of rally.

Oh, yeah, plenty of competition tomorrow, from 3rd to 6th place nothing is certain, some competition in WRC2. Unfortunately in RGT everything seems calm, but I think Delecour would win it anyway here in Monte.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

World Rally Blog:
Wait, super rally crews start first tomorrow?
I know... Deep cuts and snow on the road for Ogier, eh Mr Loeb ? :D

[drive]

i do not think the others drivers cared much about the fight for the top... it is cruising speed for all now.

so true, and even if vw are on 1-3, the rest of points are still for grabs - everyone should take a look at timesheets and concentrate on watching/enjoying this rally, and stop complaining Seb V Seb - its over for now... till next time :)

[dimviii]

Ogier just wanted to have the same chances, which he didn't have at Citroen. Therefore he left for VW, which was and is the only car who could've/can compete against Citroen.

listen now the facts.Ogier was favoured from Quesnel against Loeb,their 7 times world champion.
Closed gps sensors at Acropolis and other girly things.Even with these girly tricks,Loeb destroyed them both and took his 7th championship .Then Ogier run away to vw,and he did well because at citroen he wouldn t be champion against Loeb.He wasnt ready for No1 and we all saw it.


Loeb is selfish in his guest starts, because IF you just want to have fun, than you compete with a private team, not taking away car, mechanics and manufacturer's points attribution from regular drivers. You really don't think they are unaffected by Loeb's presence, do you? You think Ostberg is happy to be the odd man out?

listen some truth now.
Loeb was being invited from Citroen for Monte.He didn t ask for it.
About Mads...thats life mate if you cant do the job your boss will hire somebody else.
Its not easy mate,specially at world championship level


try harder.

[pino]

Very sad about those big retirements (especially Kubica). No one will stop Ogier now, so the excitement is over !

[smsgrafica]

no you dont say exactly what happened.
At Monte was faster and with big margin
At Sweden was close till 2-3 stages from the end he decided to slow
At Argentina was clearly faster with big margin
At Alsace was close when he binned it.

Loeb was fast at all rallies at all terens and inside the fight for win.
Ogier wasn t able to fight at Monte and Argentina.
thats the truth,and not the way you want to show.

try harder.

I know, I can't help it... I'm stupid, I know, but I just have to reply to this one last comment.

Tell me what is not correct in my quote:

"Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes"

RMC = win #1
Sweden = 2nd place
Argentina = win #2
France = crash
RMC = crash

Let's see how Ogier fared on the very same 5 events

RMC = 2nd place #1
Sweden = win #1
Argentina = 2nd place #2
France = win #2
RMC = 1st (for now)

That doesn't look well for your hero...

You know, I'm just exaggerating. I'm not saying one is better than the other or that Loeb isn't a worthy Champion, on the contrary. I just would've loved to see them competing in a full 2013 season.

And how I feel about Loeb's selfishness is well documented in my last posts.

I think Citroen doesn't do his drivers any good in letting them compete with a retired 41 year old Legend who is way faster than them. It just knocks off their confidence, which already wasn't at very high levels...

[N.O.T]

are you finnish smsgrafica ?

[Mariusz]

Onboards of Loeb and Meeke crashes: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html

[stefanvv]

I know, I can't help it... I'm stupid, i know, but I just have to reply to this one last comment.

Tell me what is not correct in my quote:

"Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes"

RMC = win #1
Sweden = 2nd place
Argentina = win #2
France = crash
RMC = crash

Let's see how Ogier fared on the very same 5 events

RMC = 2nd place #1
Sweden = win #1
Argentina = 2nd place #2
France = win #2
RMC = 1st (for now)

That doesn't look well for your hero...

You know, I'm just exaggerating. I'm not saying one is better than the other or that Loeb is a worthy Champion, on the contrary. I just would've loved to see them competing in a full 2013 season.

And how I feel about Loeb's selfishness is well documented in my last posts.

I think Citroen doesn't do his drivers any good in letting them compete with a retired 41 year old Legend who is way faster than them. It just knocks off their confidence, which already wasn't at very high levels...

Please don't mention Ogier's setback on Alsace's Friday when he realized he is a World Champion '13 the evening before.

[N.O.T]

I know, I can't help it... I'm stupid, I know, but I just have to reply to this one last comment.

Tell me what is not correct in my quote:

"Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes"

RMC = win #1
Sweden = 2nd place
Argentina = win #2
France = crash
RMC = crash

Let's see how Ogier fared on the very same 5 events

RMC = 2nd place #1
Sweden = win #1
Argentina = 2nd place #2
France = win #2
RMC = 1st (for now)

That doesn't look well for your hero...

You know, I'm just exaggerating. I'm not saying one is better than the other or that Loeb isn't a worthy Champion, on the contrary. I just would've loved to see them competing in a full 2013 season.

And how I feel about Loeb's selfishness is well documented in my last posts.

I think Citroen doesn't do his drivers any good in letting them compete with a retired 41 year old Legend who is way faster than them. It just knocks off their confidence, which already wasn't at very high levels...

you are comparing a 30 year old Ogier with a 40 year old Loeb...

not very nice and to be honest if you take into account all the parameters Ogier looks like a smelly doggy by those results....

[tommeke_B]

Enough Loeb/Ogier talk. It's the only downside of Loeb entering an event, having all this nonsense here. I'm happy Loeb participated, he made the fight for the lead interesting for half of the rally, at least. It's sad to see how big the difference between Ogier and all others is...

[eib1]

kubica crash ss8 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=916833611670908

[smsgrafica]

kubica crash ss8 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=916833611670908

I really fear for his safety. He should focus on gaining experience, not on winning stages. One small step at the time would serve him right and keep him off the ditches.

[Mariusz]

Let's hope that is his plan for tomorrow.

[denkimi]

kubica crash ss8 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=916833611670908


Onboards of Loeb and Meeke crashes: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html

that citroen must have some really weak suspension.

[stefanvv]

Enough Loeb/Ogier talk. It's the only downside of Loeb entering an event, having all this nonsense here. I'm happy Loeb participated, he made the fight for the lead interesting for half of the rally, at least. It's sad to see how big the difference between Ogier and all others is...

Rightly said, We're Rally fans here and should discuss the event itself, it is great so far I believe.

[KKS]

past few pages are permeated with Loebophobia post as marked at bottom like: "Likes: SlowSon (http://www.motorsportforums.com/member.php?u=20444) (Today),Zeropt (http://www.motorsportforums.com/member.php?u=20606) (Today) ". Still miss someone, but they neverliked such posts.
Take pills, your hero was beaten many times. And his a champion only with cheat car and that current WRC championship so poor for talants.

[dimviii]

I know, I can't help it... I'm stupid,I know, but I just have to reply to this one last comment.
cant help you at this mate.Sorry.


Tell me what is not correct in my quote:

"Two wins, one 2nd place, two crashes"

RMC = win #1
Sweden = 2nd place
Argentina = win #2
France = crash
RMC = crash

Let's see how Ogier fared on the very same 5 events

RMC = 2nd place #1
Sweden = win #1
Argentina = 2nd place #2
France = win #2
RMC = 1st (for now)

That doesn't look well for your hero...

of course they look good,not only good but excellent.
Loeb was able to fight at all rallies for win even when he was retired.Ogier at his peak couldn t.He was slow and through white towel at 2 rallies.All these with a retired dont forget it.When Loeb was active there is no compare with anybody.
We always can compare both of them at last year at citroen with same car if you prefer.Even if he was Quesnels favour driver.
Thats facts.


You know, I'm just exaggerating. I'm not saying one is better than the other or that Loeb isn't a worthy Champion, on the contrary. I just would've loved to see them competing in a full 2013 season.
you are right,big pitty that Ogier run away at lower class.
But why you dont compare them at Ogiers last year at citroen with same car?
i mean this year when Loeb he was starting 1st at ALL gravel rallies.Yes the year with Ogiers girly tricks with Quesnel.





And how I feel about Loeb's selfishness is well documented in my last posts.
thats your opinion and not documents,an opinion that almost all rally fans dont agree.
Thats why at Ogiers hometown most fans are at Citroen stant to see and take an autograph from Maestro and NOT from Ogier.
If we read and stage stops quotes we will see who is selfish and who is humble.


I think Citroen doesn't do his drivers any good in letting them compete with a retired 41 year old Legend who is way faster than them. It just knocks off their confidence, which already wasn't at very high levels...

what do you think doesnt care anybody.

you really can t try harder?

[stefanvv]

past few pages are permeated with Loebophobia post as marked at bottom like: "Likes: SlowSon (http://www.motorsportforums.com/member.php?u=20444) (Today),Zeropt (http://www.motorsportforums.com/member.php?u=20606) (Today) ". Still miss someone, but they neverliked such posts.
Take pills, your hero was beaten many times. And his a champion only with cheat car and that current WRC championship so poor for talants.

Are we done with Loebomania? Until next time, in Germany, Corsica perhaps......

[AdvEvo]

Everybody needs to sell his VW shit because of Arrogant Ogier:)

I rather buy a Citroen and light it on fire because driving a FWD car is like a women with no tits! As long as Loeb is driving WRC it s worth it:)

[René]

Yves Matton (Citroën Racing Team Principal): “Sébastien slid and hit a concrete block on the final stage. The impact broke part of the suspension. He will be able to rejoin tomorrow under Rally 2 rules. It was a gamble of sorts to enter him at Monte-Carlo and I have to say he surprised us again with his performances. Seb and Citroën Racing have been daring in terms of this challenge, but also in the race. With a less than ideal road position, he had to make some bold decisions so that he could continue to defend his chances of winning. It was a good fight and it just goes to show that our 2015 DS 3 WRC is a well-designed car. It’s a very positive point for our technical team! He’ll be able to showcase his immense talents tomorrow.”

[dimviii]

Onboards of Loeb and Meeke crashes: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html

seems like even not a mistake.Maybe a hidden rock inside the snow.Seems that new rear kinematics at ds3 dont be so strong.
sometimes you have to be lucky.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973

[PLuto]

From point of view - Robert Kubica is Super and very good for WRC. He is capable of wining stages and has proven it more one once. He is a natural talant. It prefer those type of drivers many times more than regulars with no stage wining capabilities. And please don''t forget, one of his arms is in very bad condition with a very serios injury.

Go Robert, show the world that You can.

But he is also very dangerous...

[dimviii]

lol
World Rally Blog ‏@WorldRallyBlog
Can @DanosElena just sit on the right front corner of the car, that should lift the left rear enough off the ground? Or flip it over. #WRC

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Dwt34CIAAWdZe.jpg

[dimviii]

Loeb:"We will be back tomorrow, maybe we can score some little points but it won't be a great result for Citroen & I'm sorry for that" #WRC

Loeb: "There was a little ditch on the exit of the corner and I just fell a little bit in. There was a stone under the snow and.. bang" #WRC

[dimviii]

what a photo!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DnzVxCAAEyAXn.jpg

[dimviii]

some nice photos
https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1502537_10153009343538431_8349102191971834773_n.jp g?oh=c01180d97ded60de9cdefb382cf1dfb6&oe=5526F81A

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153003300173431.1073741838.283672888430&type=1

[stefanvv]

Yeap, seem Loeb didn't made mistake, he is just driving safely "nose end first in the middle of the road"...... and I should really stop this...... Loeb is human after all and humans do make mistakes sometimes.....

[AdvEvo]

what a photo!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DnzVxCAAEyAXn.jpg

Wrong brand --> car
Wrong drink ---> poison
Wrong driver --> Ogier

Not my choice of pic

[N.O.T]

Yeap, seem Loeb didn't made mistake, he is just driving safely "nose end first in the middle of the road"...... and I should really stop this...... Loeb is human after all and humans do make mistakes sometimes.....

that comforts me immensely... after his performance i felt a bit inferior to him i must say... now my confidence is back as the mistaken less creature of the known universe. Feels nice man...

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESVgkA5ez4

[N.O.T]

Wrong brand --> car
Wrong drink ---> poison
Wrong driver --> Ogier

Not my choice of pic

VW is the best bar, Redbull is nectar, Ogier is the best... so no problems. get your facts straight

[rayh_mx]

that comforts me immensely... after his performance i felt a bit inferior to him i must say... now my confidence is back as the mistaken less creature of the known universe. Feels nice man...

Amen

[stefanvv]

that comforts me immensely... after his performance i felt a bit inferior to him i must say... now my confidence is back as the mistaken less creature of the known universe. Feels nice man...

You should, for the sake of all humanity;)

[N.O.T]

You should, for the sake of all humanity;)

i do not care much about humanity.

[dimviii]

Yeap, seem Loeb didn't made mistake, he is just driving safely "nose end first in the middle of the road"...... and I should really stop this...... Loeb is human after all and humans do make mistakes sometimes.....

of course everybody does mistakes.Some are more lucky.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973

like this moment Ogier at last Monte had 3-4 times.They are posted at this forum.Nothing happened.

[stefanvv]

I hope Bouffier's co-driver didn't fall asleep while writing the fatal note:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10924628_10153003300493431_3054652840212021461_n.j pg?oh=2393fe06c5f53cdcce1f15664176ab5f&oe=555A0E61&__gda__=1432678430_a59e219fd46b107271dbf8041ebe010 7

[N.O.T]

of course everybody does mistakes.Some are more lucky.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973

do not go there... its the same low tactics all the Loebs slaves used when he was treating them like garbage... you make your own luck.

Ogier drove a very nice rally and made his own luck.

[car]

Wow.

[N.O.T]

Wow.

i know i am awesome... please behave.

[dimviii]

do not go there... its the same low tactics all the Loebs slaves used when he was treating them like garbage... you make your own luck.

Ogier drove a very nice rally and made his own luck.

its not the same.Videos and incars dont lie.

[car]

sorry N.O.T. that was meant to be tagged onto the (very decent) pic of the VW coming over the corner that someone posted a little earlier. Please continue......

[dimviii]

borl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXIeKzb5vhk

[N.O.T]

sorry N.O.T. that was meant to be tagged onto the (very decent) pic of the VW coming over the corner that someone posted a little earlier. Please continue......

Lies...

[stefanvv]

Some highway action here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtRcnL8xT7Q

[dimviii]

Kubica from another angle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFEtn8YbxAg

[Rallyper]

i will let Ogier reply to you...

1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): We tried to make some cuts and put some snow on the road for the cars behind, we try to make an advantage. I did some small mistake but not so bad.

And if I was in his clothes, as a sportsman, I would never do that. Neither admit it it.

[stefanvv]

Ah, so this is when Kubica damaged his electrics system - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCjGRgN9nxM

[danon]

It ain't over till it's over - NOT YET!!!

The Master keeps up the suspense till the very end...

Better the last smile than the first laughter!

They had to strap it both ways and support the wheel in front - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaG2PIUmA0U

http://s1.postimg.org/cnzguu5v3/lstr.jpg

[Fly]

Some highway action here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtRcnL8xT7Q

The guy inside the left corner is ridiculous.

[Rallyper]

of course everybody does mistakes.Some are more lucky.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973

like this moment Ogier at last Monte had 3-4 times.They are posted at this forum.Nothing happened.

Isnt this typical for a man with luck? Other would have lost a rear wheel, wouldnt they?

[Eli]

so what happened to Meeke at the end?

[dimviii]

incar Kubica ss4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGzRLAEaGVk

[Langdale Forest]

And if I was in his clothes, as a sportsman, I would never do that. Neither admit it it.

Rule 1 in life, never admit to anything, even if it means working in chip shop for the rest of your life.

[stefanvv]

Another video from today with lot of snow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNzXDSgPbvA

[stefanvv]

and another one with lot of fog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSZtnGvmZmk

[stefanvv]

Rule 1 in life, never admit to anything, even if it means working in chip shop for the rest of your life.

Ogier haven't admitted anything today, just playing the game.....

[stefanvv]

Rally Monte Carlo
Volkswagen one-two-three – Ogier leads Latvala and Mikkelsen at the “Monte”

Starting order, tyre selection and calculated risk are Friday’s talking points at the “Monte”

Ogier/Ingrassia, Latvala/Anttila and Mikkelsen/Fløene on course for podium finishes


A thriller that resulted in a success story: Volkswagen reached the half-way point of the Rally Monte Carlo in first, second and third. Day two of the opening round of the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) was initially dominated by the duel between Sébastien Ogier/Julien Ingrassia (F/F) in their Polo R WRC and Sébastien Loeb/Daniel Elena (F/MC) in a Citroën. The Volkswagen duo had gradually reeled in and passed its rivals over the course of the first five of Friday’s six stages, before the battle for the lead was turned on its head as Loeb/Elena dropped massive amounts of time on the final special stage. The other Volkswagen duos, who had also driven intelligently to worked their way up the overall standings, also benefitted from the late drama: after 175.09 of 355.48 kilometres against the clock, Jari-Matti Latvala/Miikka Anttila (FIN/FIN) find themselves in second place, followed by Andreas Mikkelsen/Andreas Fløene in third.


The WRC competitors were faced with extremely variable and difficult conditions. The road surface on the three special stages, each of which was tackled twice, alternated constantly between wet asphalt, snow and ice – all of which was exacerbated at times by thick fog. This all made the task of selecting from Michelin’s soft slicks, studded and winter tyres particularly difficult. In the morning, the three Volkswagen crews opted for a combination of four studded tyres and two winter tyres. In the afternoon, Ogier/Ingrassia headed out with four studded tyres and two slicks, while Latvala/Anttila and Mikkelsen/Fløene went for a mixture of two slicks, two studded, and two winter tyres.



Quotes after day two of the Rally Monte Carlo

Sébastien Ogier, Volkswagen Polo R WRC #1
“It was a tough day with extremely difficult conditions. I must pay a big compliment to my ice spies, who did a fantastic job. The duel with Sébastien Loeb was not only thrilling for the fans, but was also exciting for Julien and me in the cockpit. Whilst he had the advantage on one stage, I was able to make up ground on the next. In the end it proved important that I never lost my cool, even despite the gap early on. When we moved into the lead for the first time after the penultimate stage, I was able to take a deep breath. Loeb’s crash on the final stage is obviously a shame for many rally fans, as it means our duel for the lead is over. However, despite our lead, the next couple of days will be anything but easy. The conditions, with the mixture of ice, snow and asphalt, remain extremely difficult. As such, it demands maximum concentration right through to the finish. Hopefully I will then be able to pay my fans back for the incredible support and passion I enjoy here at my home event.”

Jari-Matti Latvala, Volkswagen Polo R WRC #2
“My goal at the start of the rally was to finish in the top four – and nothing has changed in that regard. I have not had any particularly good results at the ‘Monte’ in the past, and I still have a lot to learn when it comes to the weather, tyre selection and the route. As such, I am happy with my position and what I learned today. Looking ahead to the championship, it is more important to score a lot of points here than to risk everything trying to win. If you compare the World Championship to the Rally Dakar, we only actually reach the finish at the end of the year. I do not intend to lose sight of our main goal.”

Andreas Mikkelsen, Volkswagen Polo R WRC #9
“We bet everything on safety today. I think our tyre selections in the morning and the afternoon were both good. This allowed us to implement our plan to ensure we made it through the day in one piece. That was far from easy, however, as there was thick fog on some of the stages, which meant there were times when you could not see five metres ahead of you. It is also a real challenge to judge the grip in such fluctuating conditions. It is superb to come out of a day like this in third place – even if we did benefit from the misfortune of Sébastien Loeb and Kris Meeke. However, this is only an intermediate result. There is still a long way to go to the finish in Monaco, and we must continue to drive as intelligently as we have done in order to secure a good result.”

Jost Capito, Volkswagen Motorsport Director
“I am sure there were a few heartbroken fans this afternoon. The two Sebs were running the show at the ‘Monte’ until Sébastien Loeb unfortunately lost time in his Citroën. Up until then, it had been first-class WRC action. Sébastien Ogier and his engineers made a good tyre selection today. He drove sensibly and gradually fought his way into the lead for Volkswagen. It is a typical ‘Monte’ scenario: the changing conditions make it particularly difficult to judge the level of grip. Respect to our drivers. We have had just as much fun watching the performances of Jari-Matti Latvala and Andreas Mikkelsen, who have both driven patiently and intelligently, as we did witnessing the battle for the lead. Second and third places round off a marvellous day for Volkswagen.”

[Lundefaret]

Yeap, seem Loeb didn't made mistake, he is just driving safely "nose end first in the middle of the road"...... and I should really stop this...... Loeb is human after all and humans do make mistakes sometimes.....

Of course Stefan, Loeb is human. And he drove, according to his own words, with very high risk. Because of driving technique and risk level, he was the only one with such late start position that could match the speed of Ogier.
But high risk is high risk, even if Your name is Loeb.

But what one should recognize is that even if he had an off, it happen in the direction of travel, it was not an off where the car points in a very different angle than the road. I am not a big believer in luck, so I wouldn't say he was unlucky that he hit a stone, but an error of judgement/too high risk, could have ended in a small "moment" which he could have been able to continue unhurt from. But this time there was a stone in the ditch. Sorry for Loeb, but he took a high risk.

But he was the only one that could challenge Ogier, and that should be a wake up call for many a driver.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb will run directly before Ogier tomorrow under Rally 2 ...

[N.O.T]

maybe they should try end nose first and can be champs... all of them... maybe.

[Langdale Forest]

Ogier haven't admitted anything today, just playing the game.....


Does playing the game mean he has to admit to it?

"Its all Ogier"

[stefanvv]

But he was the only one that could challenge Ogier, and that should be a wake up call for many a driver.

Amen. I personally don't understand some driver's "misfortunes" at Monte (or may be I don't want to). But for me, Rally is not only about the raw speed through the corners, as many here would disagree. On the contrary, I think Monte is the only event where a driver can truly measure his skills. That's why Rohrl, Loeb, and now Ogier will be the greatest of all. YES, Monte IS about driving capabilities....

EDIT: I forgot to mention Makinen in this bunch, sorry......

[smsgrafica]

Wrong brand --> car
Wrong drink ---> poison
Wrong driver --> Ogier

Not my choice of pic

Except this is Mikkelsen, not Ogier! #9 at the top left. ;)

[Lundefaret]

maybe they should try end nose first and can be champs... all of them... maybe.

Well, Ogier drives Nose End First, just not to the extreme of Loeb, and he don't seem to do such a bad job out of it.

But off course they all should do it, or You will be left behind. It is just like in the Moto GP, if You don't adjust Your riding style to emulate that of Marc Marquez, You won't challenge him anytime soon. And that is just what Valentino Rossi have been up to lately. Marquez prioritizes upright acceleration, and rides more "angled" than the others, and this is the same theory as Nose End First, not very strange because its the same laws of physics, and much the same challenge.

[A FONDO]

Onboards of Loeb and Meeke crashes: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html

Meeke's crash is forgivable - tricky medium-fast corner, but loeb's is miserable. COnnecting it with the spin earlier can say that the pressure was too much for him. Ogier has massively grown up in this aspect, but some of his comments are still annoying. He should speak less at the stage-end interviews. At least until he becomes a father.

[EightGear]

Loeb will run directly before Ogier tomorrow under Rally 2 ...
So will he throw snow on the road, Langdale?

[PLuto]

Start list into third leg is available - http://rally-base.com/2015/rallye-monte-carlo-2015/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=525

[stefanvv]

Start list into third leg is available - http://rally-base.com/2015/rallye-monte-carlo-2015/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=525

Oh, Loeb is just before Ogier, sweeeet(p)......

[N.O.T]

Well the are on equal playing field but i doubt Ogier will risk anything just for Loeb... and Loeb of course will not have the same motivation...

[dimviii]

the pressure was too much for him. Ogier has massively grown up in this aspect

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973

[Langdale Forest]

So will he throw snow on the road, Langdale?

Probably, the 2 Sebs are very much the same.

[Langdale Forest]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973


yes dimvii, ogier did do that deliberately, even people who are much respected can do stupid things, a local chip shop worker springs to mind....

[dimviii]

another one i like
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-53-0-14063000-1422048554.jpg

[stefanvv]

who was the first here, I didn't catch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDNb2cD7XI

[stefanvv]

I doubt Ogier will risk anything just for Loeb...

That is correct

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw5aqDmaJpg Day1 & 2

[Mintexmemory]

We always can compare both of them at last year at citroen with same car if you prefer

But why you dont compare them at Ogiers last year at citroen with same car?
i mean this year when Loeb he was starting 1st at ALL gravel rallies.



The year when Citroen deliberately sabotaged Ogier during Rally Catalunya so that the golden one would be assured of the championship.
Ogier almost won the championship despite the team being against him. Citroen deserve all the problems they've had since. :)

[dimviii]

Kubica icar ss5
at 8.00 is the point where Loeb hit the stone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq8IbuXAVEQ&feature=youtu.be&t=7m57s

Kubica crash from another angle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uST_B1YQG64

[dimviii]

The year when Citroen deliberately sabotaged Ogier during Rally Catalunya so that the golden one would be assured of the championship.
Ogier almost won the championship despite the team being against him. Citroen deserve all the problems they've had since. :)

nice story.The dragon when appears?

Ogier was always back in points at championship while Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies.So nowhere near ''almost won the championship''
With Ogiers crashes at 2nd season half was clear that he didn t deserved to hold a 7 time champion for him.Even with favour of Quesnel.Loeb won fair and square.If citroen had hold Loeb for Ogier that year citroen neither Ogier would be champions with his crashes.
Another evidence is after 4 years experience from these days,with a superior car-team-budget needs luck to win the 15 months 41 years old retired champion.

try harder with facts,and not science fiction stories.

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyw4lTGf3Oc Day1 & 2 from Hyundai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jfMY9F5q90 from Citroen

[N.O.T]

Please dim stop discussing rallying with clueless people... what is the point ?

[Bartek]

Kubica icar ss5
at 8.00 is the point where Loeb hit the stone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq8IbuXAVEQ&feature=youtu.be&t=7m57s

Kubica crash from another angle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uST_B1YQG64


9:54 place where Ogier had a moment?

Anybody know something about conditions on this massive stage LARDIER ET VALENCA - FAYE?

[dimviii]

another nice one.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10940514_10205708612985280_3328736766146086648_n.j pg?oh=5fb837ca19b77ab96480f006aadc33c1&oe=55574C86&__gda__=1428498809_d4196a78e0deb02781e9cda6a9523cb a


Kubica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXzEdApmb3o

[dimviii]

9:54 place where Ogier had a moment?

dont remember ths place mate.

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1332

[dimviii]

Please dim stop discussing rallying with clueless people... what is the point ?

cant read lies and inaccuracies.
But they are funny all these Loebhaters,till Loeb was faster nobody writes,when makes a mistake they are all here with post after post.Let me service them.

[Bartek]

dont remember ths place mate.

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1332

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153098777054973 Ok, this is the same place

[stefanvv]

Sordo maximum attack:D:D:D:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTe6howyAk

[Sch17]

Hyundai is just.. too weak

[stefanvv]

Pirelli - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VzNBgGHRrw

[stefanvv]

Does playing the game mean he has to admit to it?

"Its all Ogier"

Playing the game, means playing the game, there is no Loeb in his game though.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10947341_878559062166344_4987080662054519263_n.jpg ?oh=91dcaefc83e78502da265833e1dfa527&oe=552A8F78&__gda__=1428343232_be7fc5d73a480ea9bc05b261e55957f 2
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[Mintexmemory]

cant read lies and inaccuracies.
But they are funny all these Loebhaters,till Loeb was faster nobody writes,when makes a mistake they are all here with post after post.Let me service them.

No not a Loeb hater but facts are facts - the championship in 2011 was fixed at Spain
True rally fans would have wanted a proper fight but Citroen (and I have no reason to suspect it was Loebs wish) decided to handicap Ogier. It's a shame they still managed the championship due to Mikko's misfortune on WRGB

[KKS]

Pirelli - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VzNBgGHRrw

this a re-upload.
video from shake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWNziI-0TcU

[stefanvv]

Mintex, to be honest I don't know what would be enough Loeb to achieve, to his fans, it is out of my mind capabilities......

[dimviii]

No not a Loeb hater but facts are facts
i haven t read any fact till now.Same thing do all Loebhaters.


- the championship in 2011 was fixed at Spain
wrong they were trying to fix it much earlier,when Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies and Ogier togather with some clueless fans were thinking that they were already ready for No1 against a 7 time world champion.These are FACTS.Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies.period
Even when Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies,Ogier didnt managed to collect more points than him.Thats a FACT.
What they decide to do after midseason(when Loeb sweeping and couldnt pass him in points) you will read at next quote.

True rally fans would have wanted a proper fight but Citroen (and I have no reason to suspect it was Loebs wish) decided to handicap Ogier.

wrong again.Proper fight isnt happening with closed gps at Acropolis.Thats a fact... there are videos at stage stop with journalist asking Ogier and saying lies.Thats a fact and you can find the video at youtube.This girlie play was happening with Quesnels approval.Thats why he discharged.
So yes somes they didn t want proper fight,but this wasnt Loeb.And these are facts.Way earlier than Spain.


It's a shame they still managed the championship due to Mikko's misfortune on WRGB

Mikko was unlucky? lololol

please no more science fiction.

[dimviii]

Mintex, to be honest I don't know what would be enough Loeb to achieve, to his fans, it is out of my mind capabilities......

one more championship with Loeb teammate sweeping gravel rallies,and Loeb closing the gps with Matton approval.
This must be the most worthy championship from all.

next question please.

[stefanvv]

one more championship with Loeb teammate

Loeb would never agree to drive for VW:D


next question please.

I don't want to, lets just enjoy the Rallies, though I don't see why it is so hard for Loeb fans to "enjoy" them...... Loeb is 9 (nine times) world champion, is it not enough? I'm little curious, what he needs to prove more. If it is fair-to-fair title against his compatriot - Ogier, why he didn't take the challenge in '13? Lets say that is my question..... And please without arguments with the superior VW car.

[stefanvv]

i haven t read any fact till now.Same thing do all Loebhaters.


wrong they were trying to fix it much earlier,when Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies and Ogier togather with some clueless fans were thinking that they were already ready for No1 against a 7 time world champion.These are FACTS.Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies.period
Even when Loeb sweeping all gravel rallies,Ogier didnt managed to collect more points than him.Thats a FACT.
What they decide to do after midseason(when Loeb sweeping and couldnt pass him in points) you will read at next quote.


wrong again.Proper fight isnt happening with closed gps at Acropolis.Thats a fact... there are videos at stage stop with journalist asking Ogier and saying lies.Thats a fact and you can find the video at youtube.This girlie play was happening with Quesnels approval.Thats why he discharged.
So yes somes they didn t want proper fight,but this wasnt Loeb.And these are facts.Way earlier than Spain.



Mikko was unlucky? lololol

please no more science fiction.

Dimviii, so You keep saying Quesnels has been behind Ogier the whole time. Why this is such a problem when at the end Loeb has won the championship(s) (well Quesnels was then fired from Citroen WRT, but this is not important, right:)?).
In my country we have a saying - "the guilty one escapes not being pursuit", is this the case?

[dimviii]

I don't want to, lets just enjoy the Rallies, though I don't see why it is so hard for Loeb fans to "enjoy" them.
how did you understant something like this?Of course i enjoy rallies,even Loeb dont participate.Havent you seen me watching ALL rallies at wrc and erc last 7 years here?Wrong conclusion mate.


..... Loeb is 9 (nine times) world champion, is it not enough?

unfortunately for Loebhaters is not enough.They say that he HAD to stay for the 2013 (at age of 39-40)to make them 10.
9 wrc championships are not enough for them.


. I'm little curious, what he needs to prove more. If it is fair-to-fair title against his compatriot - Ogier, why he didn't take the challenge in '13?
at first sentence you say that ''what he needs to proove more'' and at next sentence you ask me ''why he didn t take the challenge''
Watch out these are symptoms of Loebphobia.This disease is not easy to heal.


Lets say that is my question..... And please without arguments with the superior VW car.
at rallies with bad terren(asphalt or gravel or snow) which requaries suspension travel is superior.Thats something easy visible from videos.

[danon]

Loeb is the greatest rally driver of all time, possibly the greatest driver in the history of motorsports.

Let the rest, beat the best - Loeb has nothing left to prove, no records left to break!

Ogier could win many titles throughout his career but he'll always lack the most important one - "THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP".

The Artist of Rallying - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBITgght8uo

http://www.schiavon-sa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/palmares-wrc-sebastien-loeb.jpg

[Mariusz]

cant read lies and inaccuracies.
But they are funny all these Loebhaters,till Loeb was faster nobody writes,when makes a mistake they are all here with post after post.Let me service them.
Internet is full of people who are just waiting till anybody makes a mistake and then they start their rage to have their pleasure. You can't win with them all, there isn't enough time in our lives and I'm sure you know what is the best defense to at least not get crazy.

[stefanvv]

how did you understant something like this?Of course i enjoy rallies,even Loeb dont participate.Havent you seen me watching ALL rallies at wrc and erc last 7 years here?Wrong conclusion mate.

I only see struggling from Loeb fans, sorry, that is my impression.


unfortunately for Loebhaters is not enough.They say that he HAD to stay for the 2013 (at age of 39-40)to make them 10.
9 wrc championships are not enough for them.

Again, these 2 days I only see Loeb fans fighting with some imaginable enemy. There is no one to argue, even after this day of Loeb's disaster, sorry.


at first sentence you say that ''what he needs to proove more'' and at next sentence you ask me ''why he didn t take the challenge''
Watch out these are symptoms of Loebphobia.This disease is not easy to heal.

Don't worry about this, I haven't noticed any symptoms of this disease lately. I was just little worried about Loeb fans, seems they struggle....


at rallies with bad terren(asphalt or gravel or snow) which requaries suspension travel is superior.Thats something easy visible from videos.

Ok, I never really wanted Loeb to continue whatever fight it is somewhere there. VW is actually superior car, but isn't a champion like Loeb able to humiliate such advantage:D:D.

[danon]

SS 1 - 22 sec... enough humiliation

[dimviii]

Dimviii, so You keep saying Quesnels has been behind Ogier the whole time. Why this is such a problem
why is a problem to close the gps sensor so nobody can see your splits? Even your team? in my country this we call it CHEATING.
Yoy ask whats the problem when your young teammate finds clear gravel road and pushes the other one till the end of the last stage of the rally,even when the difference with Fords was minutes?Is it right for you?That was happening with Quesnels wishes.
That girlie trick was happening at more than 1st half of season.He didn t manage to pass him......
A 7 time champion admits respect,not sabotage.


when at the end Loeb has won the championship(s) (well Quesnels was then fired from Citroen WRT, but this is not important, right:)?).
In my country we have a saying - "the guilty one escapes not being pursuit", is this the case?

because after midseason this Ogier patronising from Quesnel came to psa heads.
Ogier at interviews had ridiculed the company which helped him to be what he is today.Ogiers interviews about justice etc stupid things(justice the cheater with closed gps sensors....)
We have to say that Loeb after all these sabotages didn t say ONE word to journalists,not moaning while they were sabotaging him.Journalists were asking him at every rally.Not a word.
After that, without Quesnels patronising we saw the real difference between them.
The next are well known.Loeb champion even with sabotage from inside his team,and Ogier run away,because he had fucked up his relations with psa.
Quesnel fired because his work as a manager didnt manage to administrate right his drivers.From his choices was very easy to loose both championships.When Ogier who hadn t something to loose was pushing him till last km.If Ogier bin it no problem,young driver,now he is learning.If Loeb bin it he would be the bad driver and looser.But a driver ,even Loeb, is impossible to push him all year for all stages and dont make mistake.Its not fair.
Thats why i laugh loud when Ogier moans about start positions etc.
And all these is even if he gets 15 world championships and 1500 stage wins,in my heart wont be Loeb.

Loeb fast,and professional,at all levels.

[stefanvv]

@ 1:03 I am speechless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD8R1CNhkQ

[stefanvv]

why is a problem to close the gps sensor so nobody can see your splits? Even your team? in my country this we call it CHEATING.
Yoy ask whats the problem when your young teammate finds clear gravel road and pushes the other one till the end of the last stage of the rally,even when the difference with Fords was minutes?Is it right for you?That was happening with Quesnels wishes.
That girlie trick was happening at more than 1st half of season.He didn t manage to pass him......
A 7 time champion admits respect,not sabotage.



because after midseason this Ogier patronising from Quesnel came to psa heads.
Ogier at interviews had ridiculed the company which helped him to be what he is today.Ogiers interviews about justice etc stupid things(justice the cheater with closed gps sensors....)
We have to say that Loeb after all these sabotages didn t say ONE word to journalists,not moaning while they were sabotaging him.Journalists were asking him at every rally.Not a word.
After that, without Quesnels patronising we saw the real difference between them.
The next are well known.Loeb champion even with sabotage from inside his team,and Ogier run away,because he had fucked up his relations with psa.
Quesnel fired because his work as a manager didnt manage to administrate right his drivers.From his choices was very easy to loose both championships.When Ogier who hadn t something to loose was pushing him till last km.If Ogier bin it no problem,young driver,now he is learning.If Loeb bin it he would be the bad driver and looser.But a driver ,even Loeb, is impossible to push him all year for all stages and dont make mistake.Its not fair.
Thats why i laugh loud when Ogier moans about start positions etc.
And all these is even if he gets 15 world championships and 1500 stage wins,in my heart wont be Loeb.

Loeb fast,and professional,at all levels.

I don't want to continue such single minded discussion, I didn't even intend to start it. Loeb is happy Citroen has backed him, Citroen were happy to backup Loeb (probably now they are sorry for it, who cares?), Ogier is happy with VW and VW are happy with Ogier, end of story. I'm also happy to watch some real competition nowadays.

[dimviii]

I only see struggling from Loeb fans, sorry, that is my impression.
you havent got to be sorry because of wrong impressions.These are symptoms of Loebphobia.I will take care dont worry.




Again, these 2 days I only see Loeb fans fighting with some imaginable enemy.
i dont see any enemies nore fights.Maybe you have to check your eyes.Loebphobia hasnt any relation with eyes,only with brain,but you never be sure with such diceases.


There is no one to argue, even after this day of Loeb's disaster, sorry.
disaster? what disaster? The only disaster i saw is that present wrc drivers are slow.Even the champion inside his hometown.




Don't worry about this, I haven't noticed any symptoms of this disease lately. I was just little worried about Loeb fans, seems they struggle....
dont be sure about symptoms of Loebphobia.Its very tricky dicease,it calms down for long periods,and comes back.




Ok, I never really wanted Loeb to continue whatever fight it is somewhere there.
but before 2 posts you asked me why he didnt participate at 40 years for a 10th championship....


VW is actually superior car, but isn't a champion like Loeb able to humiliate such advantage:D:D.
of course he himulate.Till stage 6 after 110 stage km he was faster against the superior car.All these after 15 months out of wrc with wrong tyre choices at the big 25km stages,and starting with dirty roads that were slower, if we believe ALL drivers quotes at stage stops(except Ogier because he hasnt very good relations with truth)

[dimviii]

I don't want to continue such single minded discussion,.
its not single,you ask i answer.If i have any mistake at my answers you can mention it to me to discuss.But discuss with FACTS like me.


I didn't even intend to start it..
but you participate for hours.Dont you enjoy that i have answers with FACTS at all over the science fiction questions or statements you make?The bad is that you havent answers at any i wrote.You trying to change subjects at every post.
i enjoy it.Keep them coming.

[dimviii]

@ 1:03 I am speechless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD8R1CNhkQ
which stage is it?

[RAS007]

its not single,you ask i answer.If i have any mistake at my answers you can mention it to me to discuss.But discuss with FACTS like me.


but you participate for hours.Dont you enjoy that i have answers with FACTS at all over the science fiction questions or statements you make?The bad is that you havent answers at any i wrote.You trying to change subjects at every post.
i enjoy it.Keep them coming.

We all know that you love Sebastian Loeb, and that you think that he is the "greatest Motorsport driver of all times"(sic), to quote another well known denizen of this forum. Ok, no problem. But, the Loeb era is over. He made a one-off comeback, and despite getting off to a stupendous start, he couldn't stay on the road. You need to accept that there might be alternative viewpoints to yours. Not everyone feels the same as you do; the world would be very boring if they did. :-)

[litifeta]

Ford, Citroen and VW have all won stages in a very hard rally. Looks to me those brands are all capable of winning rallies, but it is the crew skills that are the difference at the moment.

[Munkvy]

Although he isn't up there with the Seb's, I feel Tanak has done well for his first factory drive so far, a well balanced and sensible approach with some pace where it is safe to push. And as the top guys push he is there to pick up the pieces. A good sign for the season ahead hopefully.

[janvanvurpa]

@ 1:03 I am speechless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD8R1CNhkQ

Very strange vid...I have OK connection and every time every car in the exit to the last of the three sections all the cars suddenly jump ahead...camera or editing tricks but not reality..Or poor upload or poor down load but from here it looked like manipulated, cars don't jump head several car length in half second..You notice that?

[stefanvv]

Oh boy:ohplease:

[stefanvv]

Very strange vid...I have OK connection and every time every car in the exit to the last of the three sections all the cars suddenly jump ahead...camera or editing tricks but not reality..Or poor upload or poor down load but from here it looked like manipulated, cars don't jump head several car length in half second..You notice that?

That corner especially is only wet, not icy, so it seems possible.

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!!

Teemu/Rallirinki.net ‏@HartusvuoriWRC before 2 hours
Got a pissed text from my friend approaching SS9/11. Roads are closed further than told, full traffic chaos, roadside park, 11 km walk

[EstWRC]

Although he isn't up there with the Seb's, I feel Tanak has done well for his first factory drive so far, a well balanced and sensible approach with some pace where it is safe to push. And as the top guys push he is there to pick up the pieces. A good sign for the season ahead hopefully.

yeah:)...and it is his weakest rally of the year, done just once in 2012 and his co-driver is first time here

[dimviii]

Fredrik Gustavsson ‏@F_Gustavsson
BREAKING NEWS: First stage of the day, SS9 is cancelled for safety reason.. #RallyeMonteCarlo #WRC

[Langdale Forest]

Why is SS9 cancelled? Did Ogier request it to be?

[EstWRC]

that sucks

[GigiGalliNo1]

Over load of spectators

[Kielder]

Out of topic, is the private messages box working well?

[dimviii]

Out of topic, is the private messages box working well?

seems no,i have a private message and i cant read it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE5xcDBtkCo

[Langdale Forest]

When spectator overcrowding caused the cancelation of a stage in Spain 10 years ago, there was a near riot.

[KKS]

Good morning guys!!

Teemu/Rallirinki.net ‏@HartusvuoriWRC before 2 hours
Got a pissed text from my friend approaching SS9/11. Roads are closed further than told, full traffic chaos, roadside park, 11 km walk
Saturday + Loeb + MonteCralo rally :)

[jonkka]

That's why they ran so much of the stage km's over past two days...

[dimviii]

between 4 and 5 minutes Loeb crash from outside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAdg-mosLg

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport
#tyres information:
Citroën/Hyundai/Tanak/Solberg: 5 soft
VW: 4 Super soft + 2 studded
Evans: 4 soft + 2 studded
#wrc #RallyeMonteCarlo

[WUff1]

So we have just the two 50km stages today ...

[Langdale Forest]

hopefully the next 3 stages have no unruly spectators.

[KKS]

So we have just the two 50km stages today ...
we have 3 stages today
51.70 km
19.93 km
36.85 km
Noone run twice

And it's more right schedule, I hope we can follow all WRC, WRC 2 and WRC 3 cars at every stage.
Stage after stage what we have yesterday not good way to follow rally in web

[jonkka]

So we have just the two 50km stages today ...

Three stages, 50, 20 and 35 km's.

[EstWRC]

Anyone knows more about the conditions of next stage? as i understand it is mainly dry and no snow and ice, just pure tarmac.

[WUff1]

oh sorry! Of course ..

[Miika]

hopefully the next 3 stages have no unruly spectators.

One of them being the very same stage that just got cancelled.

[KKS]

altitude of today stages not so low. Strange to see winter tyres choice yesterday and dry tyres today.

[tommeke_B]

hopefully the next 3 stages have no unruly spectators.
You can only blame the organizers for this. You didn't have to be smart to predict chaos on this stage... French spectators like to spend the whole day on one spot, and this is the only stage that's driven twice, and it's the first stage of the day.

[bluuford]

Actually the longest stage is run on quite low elevatins, just a little parts are with risk of snow. Those who took less studs are in better situation I think. There was bigger risk of ice on the first stage, so, they failed a bit due to cancellation I am afraid.

[bluuford]

and to Kileder. I cannot open my private messages. It will be -7..-9 degrees overnight in Turini. it climbs to -2..-3 degrees during the midday. It should be sunny weather and mild wind from the north. So, it is very dry and not humid this time, but cold. Keep your feets warm! And no snow is expected.

[dimviii]

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[eib1]

Good morning guys!!

Teemu/Rallirinki.net ‏@HartusvuoriWRC before 2 hours
Got a pissed text from my friend approaching SS9/11. Roads are closed further than told, full traffic chaos, roadside park, 11 km walk

sure, that guy has had better mornings :D

[Kielder]

and to Kileder. I cannot open my private messages. It will be -7..-9 degrees overnight in Turini. it climbs to -2..-3 degrees during the midday. It should be sunny weather and mild wind from the north. So, it is very dry and not humid this time, but cold. Keep your feets warm! And no snow is expected.

Thank you very much, bluuford. You always provide us invaluable information.
I'm about to leave in 30'. I'll try to post something from there.

[ik1911]

Why Tanak will start 14-teen today?

[KKS]

Why Tanak will start 14-teen today?

same starting order so yesterday (exept SupeRally drivers in front)

[RS]

Superrally crews will be in front all year? Good news on gravel rounds at least.

[KKS]

yes in front at all days

[Tom206wrc]

Let's hope SS10 will be run without problem thos time :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Let's hope SS10 will be run without problem this time :mark:

[KKS]

according to rally maps no big city near SS10 so must be all good.
SS9 end directly in Embrun

[KKS]

This stage doesn't good for slicks :(
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Gz5FtCcAA5qH7.jpg

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville
Before SS10 we had time to have a chat with a very nice guy ;-) #JeanRagnotti #Legend #TN #HyundaiWRC @nicolasgilsoul

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Gz-TvCcAA8nr4.jpg


legend!

[EstWRC]

This stage doesn't good for slicks :(
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Gz5FtCcAA5qH7.jpg

it is just for 10km, the rest of the stage is clear.

[Sulland]

Sometimes you have a certain car/ driver combo that is magic, and wins everyting.
We have seen it in rally and racing many times over the years.

Both Sebastians found that, and smash the competition from the rest.

the only problem with this is that the competition and exitement is gone, normally the no 1 driver in the team win, and if he does not succeed the mumber 2 driver is there to snatch victory.
Then it becomes boring for the spectators and other teams - the thrill is gone!


But it is always interesting to see when the old champ have the guts to meet the new on in battle, and it was fun also here, dont you think?

[bluuford]

First 8-9 minutes is pretty low and should be clear, then they drive in higher elevations for approximately 6-7 minutes and then it is all low and should be clear till the end.

[KKS]

Anybody anywhere have splits from stage 10?

[bluuford]

Chardonnet seems to be stopped..

[arko5]

Chardonnet stopped

[dimviii]

Anybody anywhere have splits from stage 10?

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/live/split-times/page/63-294-59--.html

[bluuford]

Kubica passed Chardo.. If you want to see latest splits then swich to previous stage and then baclk to Ss10, then you can see the latest ;-)

[EstWRC]

The snow and ice melting, should be good for Tänak who is starting way back and with softs.

[KKS]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/live/split-times/page/63-294-59--.html

wrc.com stop autorefresh for me :(

[dimviii]

Kubica passed Chardo.. If you want to see latest splits then swich to previous stage and then baclk to Ss10, then you can see the latest ;-)

why not refresh? is it better?

[bluuford]

why not refresh? is it better?

Yes it is better.. try both options

[KKS]

Loeb in trouble again (

[PLuto]

Chardonnet stopped 15 kms into SS 10

[Bartek]

Wrong tyre choice for Meeke and Loeb?

[Franky]

Ogier not moving on the maps?