Rallye Monte Carlo 2015

[dimviii]

Must be a way to blame M-Sport (gets out book of blame passing statements!)

lets wait,maybe this twit has use wrong word.
When we say ''we lost the brakes'' we mean that they have very big tepmerature and they have fade.

[KKS]

Sordo
Neuville +0.2
in o/a

BATLLE! :)

[René]

Latvala sopped in the stage

[PLuto]

Latvala sopped in the stage

According to GPS he is moving.

[dimviii]

Neuville o,2 sec ahead of Sordo.Big fight at power stage?

[KKS]

Latvala sopped in the stage

wrc+ source?

[Mintexmemory]

lets wait,maybe this twit has use wrong word.
When we say ''we lost the brakes'' we mean that they have very big tepmerature and they have fade.

Just a little irony, given his continual excuses why the car let him down! Sorry, realise that non-anglophones may not get the allusion.

[René]

wrc+ source?

from Becs wrc radio

[KKS]

Mads cut 31.2 sec from Mikkelsen in this stage. 20.9 to go... but unrealistic

[Quad]

Just a little irony, given his continual excuses why the car let him down! Sorry, realise that non-anglophones may not get the allusion.

Cry more

[Fast Eddie WRC]

4 fastest times, 3 accidents, stopped by the police & a heap of fans added to his ranks. Just an average rally for Kubica ... ;)

[KKS]

(whisper) citroen splits are back, but u must use old direct to split times links ;)

[litifeta]

Does anyone know why Ostberg pulled up and turned his car off 5 minutes into SS12? Just watched in on the WRC+ onboards.

[KKS]

No splits for Koci... :/

[jonkka]

You and your WRR Becks - Latvala is at the stage finish.

[KKS]

Does anyone know why Ostberg pulled up and turned his car off 5 minutes into SS12? Just watched in on the WRC+ onboards.

Engine problem. Must too reboot his DS3 WRC running under a windows OS :D

[Mintexmemory]

Does anyone know why Ostberg pulled up and turned his car off 5 minutes into SS12? Just watched in on the WRC+ onboards.

Electrics - required re-boot I think. He did comment about that (look on Rally-Base.cz)

[Langdale Forest]

Kubica crashed AGAIN!

[dimviii]

Does anyone know why Ostberg pulled up and turned his car off 5 minutes into SS12? Just watched in on the WRC+ onboards.
engine problems,working with 3 cylinders and he had to switch off and reboot the ecu.

[Quad]

Kubica crashed AGAIN!

Propably you would stop the car with force of your mind without brakes.

[Sch17]

Great time for Ostberg with 2014 spec car

[EstWRC]

Tänak Take 2: Rallye Monte Carlo Sunday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6RakMDN2X0

[Mintexmemory]

So power stage predictions?
Meeke / Loeb / Sordo for me

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8MIBmUCEAAoYoz.png

[WUff1]

This time probably not his fault, but there are already 3 crashes behind him in this rally.

[PLuto]

(1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): It was good. Better conditions than I expected. It was good, happy with this one. I thought there would be more snow on the road pulled out by the cars ahead.

Ogier didnt realised, that he is not going in front of himself? :)

[cosmin_sb]

Meeke, Loeb, Neuville for me

[KKS]

SuperSoft must be better tyres for PS.... so vw, I think, win it

[KKS]

Camilli 4th split WAS BAD!

[GigiGalliNo1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8MIBmUCEAAoYoz.png

That's me!! :D

[René]

Ogier: "I thought there would be more snow on the road pulled out by the cars ahead." Stupidity is really conscientious with him

[GigiGalliNo1]

Koci off, Black ice, hit a tree.

[KKS]

Koci.... crash
Camilli .... crash

grrrr difficult stage

[KKS]

Giordano in trouble too

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SUN 11:57 - SS14: KOCI UPDATE
He is stopped at the 20.93km point. He hit a tree after slipping on black ice

[noel157]

Broadcast has started for PS.

[litifeta]

Meeke, Tanak, Loeb

[wwbroe]

Too bad for Camilli, he did great rally sofar, after his flat tyre on first stage he was setting the pace.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen fastest & up to second in WRC-2 now. :)

[KKS]

But Camilli now at same position as he be after SS12

[Rallyper]

Loeb Meeke Ogier for me.

[noel157]

Beautiful day in the Alps.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC2 Breen was faster than Meeke so he wasnt just cruising thru.

[Mintexmemory]

This has been a big learner for Craig -just bring it home

[René]

Loeb Meeke Neuville

[dimviii]

SuperSoft must be better tyres for PS.... so vw, I think, win it

imho the oposite.Super softs are the 3rd stage they will run and believe they are already enough worn.
Softs normally have cope better from previous stages and must be at better condition.But Ogier and Latvala haven t push them at morning stages.Lets see,i bet at softs.

[dimviii]

Rally Finland ‏@RallyFinland
Jarmo Lehtinen predicts: Citroën will collect extra points from power stage: Loeb-Meeke-maybe Ösberg #wrc #MonteCarloRally #doesjarmoknow

[KKS]

Wonder that WRC TV and official splits on different positions
For Bertelli TV split - 3.02.7, web split - 04.12.1

[dimviii]

#WRC #MC2015 #PowerStage live commentary Jarmo Lehtinen & Pepe Jurgens #moorgääs @Becsywecsy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8MPfdmIQAAmJgM.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

Seems Jarmo enjoyed his time at Citroen more than Mikko did

[Quad]

Looks like this stage suits citroen cars

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke saved his tyres so should be quick...

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HyundaiWRC
The #PowerStage has started and it's #GameOn between our boys @DaniSordo & @thierryneuville! #NoTeamOrders except bring the cars back safely

[KKS]

Good rally for Protasov! Not fast, with problems but at finish. It's important.
Good luck!

[N.O.T]

Kubica does not belong... it is getting really stupid and very dangerous for him.

[KKS]

so close Loeb... so close +0.2

[N.O.T]

Good rally for Protasov! Not fast, with problems but at finish. It's important.
Good luck!

if he wants to finish rallies and not be serious he should do village events... this is the wrc.

[Mintexmemory]

Kubica does not belong... it is getting really stupid and very dangerous for him.

Long sleep today? The Kubica news is gone past, please keep up!

[N.O.T]

Long sleep today? The Kubica news is gone past, please keep up!

better have a long sleep than sleeping for years...

[dimviii]

Thank you Maestro!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8MTqk2CEAIFpm6.png

[noel157]

Thought somebody had crashed and gone on fire.... only a flare.

[dimviii]

Lets see what Hyundai battle will bring

[Jarek Z]

Good rally for Protasov! Not fast, with problems but at finish. It's important.

What are you talking about? Protasov lost over 18 minutes to the leader and was slower than some old S2000 cars.

[KKS]

Sordo slower than Neuville

[N.O.T]

Thank you Maestro!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8MTqk2CEAIFpm6.png

The Best of all times... not this time, not that time, but of aaaaaall times...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Elfyn Evans ‏SS14 - Happy to be here but also a sense of what could have been. The speed is there or there abouts, just need to be smarter at times.

Very mature young driver, will improve.

[KKS]

+0.8 beheind Neuville (

[dimviii]

http://instagram.com/p/yRn97wlVa0/

So Neuville seems faster.

[Ounin]

The rally comes to end, 256 pages of ultimate moaning but that's okay. When somebody is quick many replies why he isn't, when somebody is slow lot of reasons of excused circumstances. But that's forum. I have enjoyed the rally in all its drama and sportsmanship, mostly in WRC2.

[noel157]

Thought Sordo would be quicker than Neuville on asphalt.

[N.O.T]

The rally comes to end, 256 pages of ultimate moaning but that's okay. When somebody is quick many replies why he isn't, when somebody is slow lot of reasons of excused circumstances. But that's forum. I have enjoyed the rally in all its drama and sportsmanship, mostly in WRC2.

next time we will just cheer for everybody like mindless hippie dogs and then have an orgy in the fields to show how much we love evryone and life and flowers and butterflies... come join in it will be fun.

[Mintexmemory]

Germany in 2013 showed they are similar paced on Tarmac. Thierry has more miles in the i20 under his belt

[A FONDO]

Will JML dare to push on the PS at least?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good points for Ostberg for his no-risks cruise this rally... smart but boring for us.

[noel157]

> Mintex. True but Sordo was always seen as a asphalt specialist.

[Mintexmemory]

Will JML dare to push on the PS at least?

Don't think so - he has his best Monte result and don't think he wants to risk it.

[jonkka]

Me neither - especially if he has brake pad problems.

[dimviii]

Finally he pushed.

[Ounin]

next time we will just cheer for everybody like mindless hippie dogs and then have an orgy in the fields to show how much we love evryone and life and flowers and butterflies... come join in it will be fun.

Great I rest my case

[A FONDO]

Don't think so - he has his best Monte result and don't think he wants to risk it.

I know but didn't he say he wants to be champion this year? You can't beat Ogier in it by declining PS bonus points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke & Loeb deserve some points for trying to compete with the VW boys on pace from the start of the rally.

[Mintexmemory]

Great result for Andreas, still can't see him finishing as top VW anytime this season.

[noel157]

3 points for Meeke. Good consolation prize.

[N.O.T]

Very nice by meeke and latvala...

[Mintexmemory]

You don't win the championship in the first event and 18 points is his best ever start!

Update maybe 19 - v good!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Two stage wins for Meeke today :)

[Mintexmemory]

Congratulations to the Champ and VW

[N.O.T]

Overall very exciting rally for 2 days, then the cruising started...

For me apart from Loeb i really liked the performance of Latvala... lets see if he finally learned how to drive after all these years.

Kubica should go home before something bad happens.

[N.O.T]

1-2-3 for the master race of the VW... get used to it girls.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Welcome back to the 2015 VWRC ...

[dimviii]

For me apart from Loeb i really liked the performance of Latvala... .

is that irony?


Congrats to Ogier for a well deserved win.No mistakes at difficult conditions,at a rally with a lot of stress.
Big difference from rest drivers.No good for the championship.
i really cant find any good drive from all the rest works drivers.

[Rallyper]

Kubica does not belong... it is getting really stupid and very dangerous for him.

How can a driver having taken four stagewins not belong to WRC? Just tell me.

[Rallyper]

VW gets payback for all investments in WRC.

[GigiGalliNo1]

How can a driver having taken four stagewins not belong to WRC? Just tell me.

Thats what I said!

[N.O.T]

is that irony?


Congrats to Ogier for a well deserved win.No mistakes at difficult conditions,at a rally with a lot of stress.
Big difference from rest drivers.No good for the championship.
i really cant find any good drive from all the rest works drivers.

No... i think he improved a lot and managed to be faster than the others, he did not try to win an event he could not and did the best he could do.

[AdvEvo]

Nice eye opener this rally.

Citroen can destroy a VW with Loeb onboard.

Robert Kubica shows awesome speed with a non factory car which will certainly not have the speed of a VW.

[N.O.T]

How can a driver having taken four stagewins not belong to WRC? Just tell me.

Stage wins mean nothing especially in an event so unpredicatble... kubica belongs in some track sport... or at his home.

[dimviii]

No... i think he improved a lot and managed to be faster than the others, he did not try to win an event he could not and did the best he could do.

for his standarts its ok,but for world champion standarts is not enough, IF he wants to be a champion.
After so many years at wrc and works teams, i was waiting better pace.

[Sch17]

Wrong line up choice for this rally from Citroen. Ostberg is a better 2. team driver than Meeke

[Franky]

Wrong line up choice for this rally from Citroen. Ostberg is a better 2. team driver than Meeke

You got it all wrong. They should have Kubica and Prokop. One does publicity and the other brings the car home.

But on a serious note. Isn't there some kind of a rule that makes changing the number one driver of the team a bit complicated? And Mr. Loeb was the 2nd Citroen driver on this event, not Meeke ;)

[Bartek]

Wrong line up choice for this rally from Citroen. Ostberg is a better 2. team driver than Meeke

Are you kidding? Meeke was faster all the weekend

[wwbroe]

Congratulations to Ogier for a very good and smart drive. It was a great fight with Loeb for two days, unfortunally after that it was down to cruising. For the rest of the pack, there wasn't anybody that could match the speed of the two Sebs. Concerning Kubica, it is sometimes great to see him pass, but i am afraid that if he doesn't change his driving style that he is going to kill himself or some spectators one day.
It was also great rally in WRC 2, especially with Koci and Lefebre fighting very hard. Maybe Camilli was the fastest man around, but in the end you have to go untill the finishline to book some result.
Looking forward to Sweden where i expect a big fight between Ogier and Latvalla.

[jonkka]

But on a serious note. Isn't there some kind of a rule that makes changing the number one driver of the team a bit complicated? And Mr. Loeb was the 2nd Citroen driver on this event, not Meeke ;)

Yes, there is a rule.

2015 FIA World Rally Championship Sporting Regulations

A Manufacturer:
7.2.6 Must inform the FIA of the names of the drivers entered to score points in each rally before the closing date of entries of the rally concerned. At least one driver must be nominated for a minimum of 10 rallies in any championship year.

[Rallyper]

for his standarts its ok,but for world champion standarts is not enough, IF he wants to be a champion.
After so many years at wrc and works teams, i was waiting better pace.

In a way you´re right. But championship is a long way to go and JML did the best of it so far.

[Ucci]

Stage wins mean nothing especially in an event so unpredicatble... kubica belongs in some track sport... or at his home.

And you belong to psychiatric institution.....I don't know what did Kubica do to you, but obviously hurts very much....

[KKS]

What are you talking about? Protasov lost over 18 minutes to the leader and was slower than some old S2000 cars.
This is his first event with car. And he is not so expiriense with a WRC machinery. But his speed wasn't so bad. He had many problems during a rally. And on a footage he looks great!

And if we talk about how many times who lose... than Kubica lost too much too, but he is 2 years rallying in WRC ;)

[KKS]

Wrong line up choice for this rally from Citroen. Ostberg is a better 2. team driver than Meeke
Loeb+Meeke was better. But it's Monte. You never know what to expect. You finish a rally or crashed. Or crashed between flying finish and stop line.

[Sch17]

Are you kidding? Meeke was faster all the weekend

Meeke was faster than Ostberg, Latvala and Mikkelsen but Jost Capito laughing at the moment. You know what i mean

[KKS]

And you belong to psychiatric institution.....I don't know what did Kubica do to you, but obviously hurts very much....

I don't remember exactly but all drivers hurt N.O.T. after Gronholm retirements. After this he became an angry grumbler :D

[Bartek]

Meeke was faster than Ostberg, Latvala and Mikkelsen but Jost Capito laughing at the moment. You know what i mean

Yes, you are right but before rally Meeke was better option in my opinion, maybe also in yours

[KKS]

Meeke was faster than Ostberg, Latvala and Mikkelsen but Jost Capito laughing at the moment. You know what i mean

I saw today morning service video on wrc.com , and see how he is laughing... If it be 70 years ago it must be big SS Unteroffizier

[tommeke_B]

If it be 70 years ago it must be big SS Unteroffizier

No need to bring this into the topic, wether you hate this person or not...

[Barreis]

VW 1-2-3, so no changes in 2015...

[KKS]

I doesn't hate him. I saw his smile and that first came to my mind. I just sharing it. When he doesn't smile - he's normal

[dimviii]

Κubicas fiesta
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/19285_913270518717277_7422944702766431526_n.jpg?oh =6b11ad6da22bce9dd954a5f61499f2e3&oe=5523AB8E

[AndyRAC]

VW 1-2-3, so no changes in 2015...

1,2,3 on an event as tricky as the Monte is a fantastic result. Which for me means they weren't pushing as hard as they could - and that their car is obviously a lot faster? Loeb, and Meeke, to a lesser extent had to push more to stay competitive.

However, it's still too early to draw conclusions for the rest of the season.

[Barreis]

1,2,3 on an event as tricky as the Monte is a fantastic result. Which for me means they weren't pushing as hard as they could - and that their car is obviously a lot faster? Loeb, and Meeke, to a lesser extent had to push more to stay competitive.

However, it's still too early to draw conclusions for the rest of the season.

Yeah, but nothing has changed...

[KKS]

Maybe official stream will catch prize giving ceremony
http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

[N.O.T]

1,2,3 on an event as tricky as the Monte is a fantastic result. Which for me means they weren't pushing as hard as they could - and that their car is obviously a lot faster? Loeb, and Meeke, to a lesser extent had to push more to stay competitive.

However, it's still too early to draw conclusions for the rest of the season.

to make it simple for you since from the above seems that you are a bit confused

VW: Proper rally team with a big budget
Hyundai: proper rally team with huge budget
Ford: I FEED ON YOUR WALLET
CItroen: Undeveloped pile of surrendering french fragile trash serving as an advertisment stand for Abu-Dhabi.

so yeh The VW can very well win every round unless hyundai comes up with something which i doubt (but i wish)..

you do not need more rounds to figure that out... so you can enjoy life without complicated questions in your head.

[stefanvv]

Great Rally, congrats to Ogier and VW. What a result.
Thursday belong to Loeb, Friday entirely to Ogier, Saturday to Kubica, Sunday to Meeke. What we would want more competition wise....
Latvala seem to be doing his own Rally where he can do the best he can and not trying the impossible, smart move. I was expecting little more from Mikkelsen. The Ford young duo was also somewhat impressive, but mistakes happen sometimes. Meeke was also doing great half the Rally. Loeb still has it, but it is very difficult now against VW-Ogier combination. Kubica impressive sometimes, sometimes he has to be smarter and must consider the road width is not infinite, otherwise great speed.

[N.O.T]

by the way i really liked the team spirit at the end of the power stage the VW drivers demonstrated...

proper !!!

[AndyRAC]

to make it simple for you since from the above seems that you are a bit confused

VW: Proper rally team with a big budget
Hyundai: proper rally team with huge budget
Ford: I FEED ON YOUR WALLET
CItroen: Undeveloped pile of surrendering french fragile trash serving as an advertisment stand for Abu-Dhabi.

so yeh The VW can very well win every round unless hyundai comes up with something which i doubt (but i wish)..

you do not need more rounds to figure that out... so you can enjoy life without complicated questions in your head.

Me, I'm never confused....

However, I'm trying to be optimistic for the rest of the season - but failing...

As you pointed out, you want to win in Motorsport = simple. £££££££££££ It's not rocket science.

[EstWRC]

one rally with a VW 1-2-3 and people already giving up on this season, lol.

[denkimi]

to make it simple for you since from the above seems that you are a bit confused

VW: Proper rally team with a big budget
Hyundai: proper rally team with huge budget
Ford: I FEED ON YOUR WALLET
CItroen: Undeveloped pile of surrendering french fragile trash serving as an advertisment stand for Abu-Dhabi.

so yeh The VW can very well win every round unless hyundai comes up with something which i doubt (but i wish)..

you do not need more rounds to figure that out... so you can enjoy life without complicated questions in your head.
the citroen really isn't that bad. its the drivers that make the big difference.

loeb could have beaten latvala and mikkelsen in their 'superior' vw without taking much risks. meeke and ostberg couldn't.

[N.O.T]

However, I'm trying to be optimistic for the rest of the season - but failing...


optimism is the plague of the world...

[dimviii]

finally i find video with Evans crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLfVmwjWPA&app=desktop


@voiceofrally Brake fell to the floor.RK tried to save, downshifting & handbrake putting the car sideways, but not issued at approx 160km/h

[EstWRC]

that Ford is a tank too

[stefanvv]

Good stuff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uexa7CvPVdA

[stefanvv]

that Ford is a tank too

this broke the suspension, Evans was driving Sisteron after that with his repairs

[WUff1]

the citroen really isn't that bad. its the drivers that make the big difference.

loeb could have beaten latvala and mikkelsen in their 'superior' vw without taking much risks. meeke and ostberg couldn't.

Ostberg seems to have cruised through the whole rally without any fighting spirit at all - in contrary to Meeke.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8M1zbsIEAAzPdw.jpg

[EstWRC]

this broke the suspension, Evans was driving Sisteron after that with his repairs

yeah but a quite big impact, im surprised he could continue after all

[A FONDO]

So the rally has finished. The best three drivers consecutively on the podium. Fans of the eternally retired pissed off. What more should I ask for? :D

[N.O.T]

3 retirements in 4 days... not bad, can do better.

[N.O.T]

So the rally has finished. The best three drivers consecutively on the podium. Fans of the eternally retired pissed off. What more should I ask for? :D

a life ?

[tommeke_B]

to make it simple for you since from the above seems that you are a bit confused

VW: Proper rally team with a big budget
Hyundai: proper rally team with huge budget
Ford: I FEED ON YOUR WALLET
CItroen: Undeveloped pile of surrendering french fragile trash serving as an advertisment stand for Abu-Dhabi.

so yeh The VW can very well win every round unless hyundai comes up with something which i doubt (but i wish)..

you do not need more rounds to figure that out... so you can enjoy life without complicated questions in your head.

Hyundai proper rally team? Where did you hear that??

[N.O.T]

Hyundai proper rally team? Where did you hear that??

they are proper... the fact of competitiveness is another issue and is irrelevant.

[tommeke_B]

they are proper... the fact of competitiveness is another issue and is irrelevant.

Only the people who work in the team can judge if it's a proper team... The speed isn't there and the new i20 wrc should have been ready earlier than it will be. I'm sure everything has a reason...

[N.O.T]

a quick lesson for proper rally teams

1. Get a big glass service park house - Check
2. Get drivers on full contracts and not stray dogs with money - Check
3. Use your car as a rally car and not as an advertisement stand - Check
4. Do not rent your car to everyone like it is a cheap whore - check
5. Merchandise - Check
6. Get N.O.Ts approval - check and very important most people skip that and fail.
7. Be competitive and win titles and rallies - Irrelevant that nobody cares... glass house is more important.

[stefanvv]

Let's put some oil in the fire with Ogier throwing snow:D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIuFdgsPxE

[Mintexmemory]

Let's put some oil in the fire with Ogier throwing snow:D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIuFdgsPxE

Don't be so provocative!! ;) Funny how Ogier gets so many people wound up. Probably the same people who would have condemned JML as a crash waiting to happen if he'd repeated his previous puncture strewn Montes. Well the news is only one guy (in his own backyard) was quicker over the event and not by a 5 min margin! We won't know what would have happened had Loeb driven conservatively but his ego wouldn't have let him in any event. Sweden will be different!

[stefanvv]

SudRallye - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hvKe3a-QGw
Rallyelange - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grnQi2Q_oE0

[stefanvv]

optimism is the plague of the world...

Typical Greek philosopher. Without optimism there wouldn't be any great achievement in humanity, scientific or other

[N.O.T]

Typical Greek philosopher. Without optimism there wouldn't be any great achievement in humanity, scientific or other

only desperation brings progress, the biggest advances in science and society came when humanity was pushed to its limits... optimism is for the weak underachievers.

[RAS007]

#21 flag Prokop Martin - Tománek Jan "A decent result, but the last two days have been dreadful. We can't go on like this. I pushed hard in this stage and the time was awful."

Can anyone clarify what Prokop is talking about here? That the car is crap? Who runs his car?

[stefanvv]

Turn up Your volume @ 1:40 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94W_ejf3buE

[N.O.T]

#21 flag Prokop Martin - Tománek Jan "A decent result, but the last two days have been dreadful. We can't go on like this. I pushed hard in this stage and the time was awful."

Can anyone clarify what Prokop is talking about here? That the car is crap? Who runs his car?

its a problem of a very important component that fails... it is between the seat and the steering wheel... cannot remember the name.

[stefanvv]

only desperation brings progress, the biggest advances in science and society came when humanity was pushed to its limits... optimism is for the weak underachievers.

No. I'm talking about the motivation of the discoverers, not others. Yeah, they are crazy people, I know that.

[RAS007]

its a problem of a very important component that fails... it is between the seat and the steering wheel... cannot remember the name.

Hahahahahahahaha

[dimviii]

Serderidis crash video,same corner as Bouffier.Tricky corner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woAN4zJxxiQ


Fiego
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FulNxoA15iw

[N.O.T]

No. I'm talking about the motivation of the discoverers, not others. Yeah, they are crazy people, I know that.

their motivation was something like "HOLY ^%&*^%(*&^&*()^&*(..... IF WE DO NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT WE ARE DOOMED" and the big boss above their heads holding a plank... not optimism...

[dimviii]

Tanaks wrong line at power stage with close call,and Chardonnets close call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O1ceztMwc

[stefanvv]

Tanaks wrong line at power stage with close call,and Chardonnets close call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O1ceztMwc

That actually is the 1st pass, not PS itself, may be it is just semantics.

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/32/36/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2015_116_323659_54c4aec7e.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/32/36/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2015_121_323671_54c4aed1b.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/32/36/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2015_126_323675_54c4aed4b.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/32/36/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2015_124_323679_54c4aed81.jpg

[stefanvv]

Great pass by Delecour @ 3:00 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liTVuWdQZUk

[dimviii]

That actually is the 1st pass, not PS itself, may be it is just semantics.

yeap its 1st pass.

[KKS]

finally i find video with Evans crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLfVmwjWPA&app=desktop

some video need to reupload :s, I saw it . But now it's deleted

[MJW]

#21 flag Prokop Martin - Tománek Jan "A decent result, but the last two days have been dreadful. We can't go on like this. I pushed hard in this stage and the time was awful."

Can anyone clarify what Prokop is talking about here? That the car is crap? Who runs his car?
His own team

[tommeke_B]

Everywhere I see a link to Evans' crash it's been deleted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-CaWsTRb5k Using the search option in youtube... ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jari-Matti Latvala: 'I was not pushing at the limit here. Just keeping a margin to not make any mistakes...'

Boring but effective.

'In Sweden, it will be more about the speed.'

More, it should be all, or he's already surrendered to Ogier...

[MJW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-CaWsTRb5k Using the search option in youtube... ;)
Thanks - I did try a search and couldn't find. Having said that it was a hefty hit, that Fiesta is strong.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

'OK'... this time...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8NAYHlIMAE1hLw.jpg

Kubica's co-driver must be the bravest man in motorsport... :disturb:

[bluuford]

Tanaks wrong line at power stage with close call,and Chardonnets close call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O1ceztMwc
Yeah, Ott told that the note was a fraction late and he took the corner wrong. This time he has learned to leave enough margin to correct that error.
Well, I liked this rally apart from the fact that superally was introduced in Monte. They should have left that single rally without this specific rule.
Who was using superally? Loeb, Meeke, Kubica, Chardonnet and some drivers on lower level. I am sure Meeke would have made it to the service with his car but probably with bigger timeloss.

[Nornbugger]

So the rally has finished. The best three drivers consecutively on the podium.

what event were you following this weekend?

[N.O.T]

what event were you following this weekend?

he said best not fastest...

[Jarek Z]

Kubica's co-driver must be the bravest man in motorsport... :disturb:

Don't worry. Maciej Szczepaniak was previously co-driving Leszek Kuzaj, so he knows a lot about crashing ;)

[KKS]

Good stuff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uexa7CvPVdA

video has good spots on Loeb crash place. But no Loeb inside.

[christy but]

the tracker on wrc+ showing kubica still at the end of stage 14..??surely the car has been collected by now

[Quad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=JwGOgEKbPH8&x-yt-cl=84503534

[dimviii]

Kubica even wide a fraction faster.

[Tofrallye29]

Few pics of this legendary Monte-Carlo
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7581/16160049487_e523284a25_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qC1tGT)
Rallye Monte-Carlo 2015 - Citroen DS3 R3 - Gilbert (https://flic.kr/p/qC1tGT) by Tofrallye29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/58819028@N07/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7392/16170516360_25fffc0465_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qCW89d)
Rallye Monte-Carlo 2015 - Volkswagen Polo WRC - Ogier (https://flic.kr/p/qCW89d) by Tofrallye29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/58819028@N07/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7382/16171996617_4bd4f2db4f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qD4HaT)
Rallye Monte-Carlo 2015 - Peugeot 208 R5 - Breen (https://flic.kr/p/qD4HaT) by Tofrallye29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/58819028@N07/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8591/16356531062_7a4b85b0ee_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qVnuQf)
Rallye Monte-Carlo 2015 - Citroen DS3 WRC - Chardonnet (https://flic.kr/p/qVnuQf) by Tofrallye29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/58819028@N07/), on Flickr
All my pics are here :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tofrallye29/sets/72157648100734404

[Nornbugger]

he said best not fastest...

Put Mikkelsen in a Fiesta and see what he does, Latvala is possibly 2nd best but Mikkelsen is no way 3rd best even in his dreams. That he is doing what he is now is proof that the Polo is a level above the other cars

[noel157]

Didn't see this here although I'm sure it may have been posted going by the views:

Tanak off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2PoGac_liA

[N.O.T]

Put Mikkelsen in a Fiesta and see what he does, Latvala is possibly 2nd best but Mikkelsen is no way 3rd best even in his dreams. That he is doing what he is now is proof that the Polo is a level above the other cars

That does not mean that mikkelsen doesn't deserve third place...

VW choose him as a 3rd driver and the fact that he finishes 3rd in rallies behind the 2 other polos in a surface that has yet to master is a good indication that VW choice was correct.

[stefanvv]

Put Mikkelsen in a Fiesta and see what he does, Latvala is possibly 2nd best but Mikkelsen is no way 3rd best even in his dreams. That he is doing what he is now is proof that the Polo is a level above the other cars

Mikkelsen is driving last year's Polo. I'm just saying....

[Quad]

Mikkelsen is driving last year's Polo. I'm just saying....


That is still better than rest of this year cars :D

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen is driving last year's Polo. I'm just saying....

it doesnt matter this year or last years polo.Whatever model he drive he would be at same position at Monte.

[dimviii]

Put Mikkelsen in a Fiesta and see what he does, Latvala is possibly 2nd best but Mikkelsen is no way 3rd best even in his dreams. That he is doing what he is now is proof that the Polo is a level above the other cars
at which areas do you believe that its better? Any inside info?

[stefanvv]

That is still better than rest of this year cars :D

May be. But Citroen has better engine now, M-Sport are not sleeping as well (don't they have also new engine factory built already?). Hyundai is all the same, I agree. They are waiting for the new car to arrive, didn't even bother to make a paddle shift for the old one.

[Quad]

M-Sport will introduce new Fiesta in Portugal, for now it is the same as last year.



Video to Kubica flat out collection :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai-XnEjEvYs

[stefanvv]

Some places I haven't seen so far - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoV3IW2Au58

[RS]

Put Mikkelsen in a Fiesta and see what he does, Latvala is possibly 2nd best but Mikkelsen is no way 3rd best even in his dreams. That he is doing what he is now is proof that the Polo is a level above the other cars

I am open to the possibility that he is not the current 3rd best driver in the championship, but at the same time I can't think of any strong evidence to the contrary? Meeke possibly...

[makinen_fan]

Just got back home, I was not able to follow closely saturday and sunday except power stage, and I didn't miss anything I guess. After Loeb's mistake it was a huge anti-climax, everyone playing it safe and drive home. Nothing interesting going on.

A general though: Loeb's return after 16-18 months and being the only one able and willing to match Ogier's times, says a lot about the lack of competitiveness of the championship and Ogier's superiority. Let's see what Latvala can do in other rallies.

[Quad]

Just got back home, I was not able to follow closely saturday and sunday except power stage, and I didn't miss anything I guess. After Loeb's mistake it was a huge anti-climax, everyone playing it safe and drive home. Nothing interesting going on.

A general though: Loeb's return after 16-18 months and being the only one able and willing to match Ogier's times, says a lot about the lack of competitiveness of the championship and Ogier's superiority. Let's see what Latvala can do in other rallies.

Kubica was on Friday on the same pace as Loeb and Ogier, and faster than them at half stages that day, and of course Saturday monster ss10 ; ) Of course he was out of fight in gen classification but still...

[stefanvv]

A general though: Loeb's return after 16-18 months and being the only one able and willing to match Ogier's times, says a lot about the lack of competitiveness of the championship and Ogier's superiority. Let's see what Latvala can do in other rallies.

Frustrating isn't it. Funnily my hopes for some competitive teams this year would go to.... Ford. Meeke is fast, but still prone to mistakes, Ostberg, don't want to comment. Hyundai seem to be keen to cruising until new i20 arrive, may be don't have other choice anyway, still I very much doubt the new car will be strong and competitive right from the start. Welcome to VWRC 2015:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcqOL21Kpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0vvy73bcio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4XZrMF599A

[latek]

M-Sport will introduce new Fiesta in Portugal, for now it is the same as last year.



Video to Kubica flat out collection :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai-XnEjEvYs

Incredible grip from Pirellis on dry tarmac. Other cars slide a lot of more despite going much slower in corners.

[Quad]

Incredible grip from Pirellis on dry tarmac. Other cars slide a lot of more despite going much slower in corners.

Yes, Kubica said that pirellis are very good on dry tarmac, but are worse on wet than Michelins.

Will be interesting to see how Pirellis are on gravel nad snow

[Ucci]

That does not mean that mikkelsen doesn't deserve third place...

VW choose him as a 3rd driver and the fact that he finishes 3rd in rallies behind the 2 other polos in a surface that has yet to master is a good indication that VW choice was correct.
This time I agree 100% with N.O.T.

[Negaiss]

Kibica's last crash (after SS 14 finish) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhBryeZMCpw

[N.O.T]

This time I agree 100% with N.O.T.

its a good start... of course you must feel sad of all the other times you were wrong but its a good start.

[latek]

Kibica's last crash (after SS 14 finish) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhBryeZMCpw

Why he was going so fast? It was after the finish I think and he was going flat out still.

[Ucci]

its a good start... of course you must feel sad of all the other times you were wrong but its a good start.

That is a goog one....thank's made....hahahaha...

[stefanvv]

Kibica's last crash (after SS 14 finish) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhBryeZMCpw

Looks like a proper crash to me. What were those dreams about brake pedal?!?

[Quad]

Why he was going so fast? It was after the finish I think and he was going flat out still.

Finish is where video starts. He pressed brake pedal, and pedal went to the floor and brakes didn't worked.

[stefanvv]

He pressed brake pedal, and pedal went to the floor and brakes didn't worked.

May be that is because it was the throttle:D:D:D

EDIT: this is not funny though, someone might got hurt

[EstWRC]

For me there are two guys this season who can spoil this VW 1-2-3 every rally and even maybe take some wins, Meeke and Tänak. Can't see anyone else getting close on speed. Very happy that Latvala got second, good start for his WDC and if he can avoid those stupid mistakes then everything is possible.

[dimviii]

Looks like a proper crash to me. What were those dreams about brake pedal?!?

to me seems like a brake problem.

have we seen this video,totally flat out.!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai-XnEjEvYs


Meeke inspecting Loebs tyres
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-403-0-51411100-1422217759.jpg

[N.O.T]

Even if he did have a brake problem he caused it by overbraking... ususally when the pedal goes to the floor is due to overheating.

It doesn't change much... 2 or 3 crashes in 4 days doesn't make a difference.

[Quad]

Even if he did have a brake problem he caused it by overbraking... ususally when the pedal goes to the floor is due to overheating.

It doesn't change much... 2 or 3 crashes in 4 days doesn't make a difference.


And one more unimportant post by you in this thread is not making any diffrence either :o 1000 or 1001 ho cares

[N.O.T]

And one more unimportant post by you in this thread is not making any diffrence either :o 1000 or 1001 ho cares

you bothered to reply though... not so unimportant.

[danon]

Alright. I'll bite...

The time has come for Latvala to beat the current VW protege,
the way Ogier did it in Citroen to prove he is a true champ material.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a jaw!

It's a ONCE in a lifetime opportunity one shouldn't miss!

[N.O.T]

Alright. I'll bite...

The time has come for Latvala to beat the current VW protege,
the way Ogier did it in Citroen to prove he is a true champ material.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a jaw!

It's a ONCE in a lifetime opportunity one shouldn't miss!

you mean Latvala has to form an alliance with capito to dethrone Ogier ? not very wise. In citroen is ended with that bald ugly manager losing his job and ogier to be beaten senseless by the champ and move to exile...

[dimviii]

Even if he did have a brake problem he caused it by overbraking... ususally when the pedal goes to the floor is due to overheating.
most of times yes,but sometimes with less prone to fade pads.Its not first time that even a wrc car fade his brakes.Last part of stage was very demanding to brakes,plenty of brakes for u turns,a lot of downhill,and not high speed to cool them.


It doesn't change much... 2 or 3 crashes in 4 days doesn't make a difference.
thats right.
Anyway this guy is crazy,really hasn t got any FEAR.

[stefanvv]

to me seems like a brake problem.

Yeah, You have 60-70 meters to brake from 150km/h+ to zero. It is brake problem.

[dimviii]

Alright. I'll bite...

The time has come for Latvala to beat the current VW protege,
the way Ogier did it in Citroen to prove he is a true champ material.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a jaw!

It's a ONCE in a lifetime opportunity one shouldn't miss!

Latvala isnt ready for something like that.First he must be fast at any surface like Ogier.
And as you saw at Monte is not ready.
The only he can do now is to be close at points with Ogier,and if Ogier make a mistake to pass him.
So its a matter of luck,unfortunately for him,and for us.

[N.O.T]

If this happened to a guy who did not have such a reckless style then i could believe that this was not his fault but with this guy ?? nope...

[Nornbugger]

That does not mean that mikkelsen doesn't deserve third place...

VW choose him as a 3rd driver and the fact that he finishes 3rd in rallies behind the 2 other polos in a surface that has yet to master is a good indication that VW choice was correct.

On this event of course he deserves his 3rd place, but the post I replied to was saying he was the 3rd best driver, he isnt.

[dimviii]

Yeah, You have 60-70 meters to brake from 150km/h+ to zero. It is brake problem.

what do you think? enlighten us.

[N.O.T]

On this event of course he deserves his 3rd place, but the post I replied to was saying he was the 3rd best driver, he isnt.

who was ?

[makinen_fan]

If this happened to a guy who did not have such a reckless style then i could believe that this was not his fault but with this guy ?? nope...

i agree with this. if it was fading brakes then he should have a bit of indication of them going off. he could have slowed down a bit earlier. i dont believe it was catastrophic failure at that moment

[stefanvv]

what do you think? enlighten us.

I already did with the numbers, they speak for themselves, aren't they? But You're the better car expert, tell me I'm wrong

[Jarek Z]

Yeah, You have 60-70 meters to brake from 150km/h+ to zero. It is brake problem.

In an interview Kubica said it was even 170 km/h. He was trying to save it with a handbrake, but couldn't.

[skory]

As Kubica said brakes were ok for the whole stage and there were no sign they were getting worse, brake pedal was hard until end of stage when brakes suddenly failed. Also keep in mind that he started building his team 4 weeks ago. If sponsors are giving him money for driving and are waiting for a better results then we should also wait. At least he gives some color to rallying and a hot topic :)

[Quad]

It's stupid to say it was his fault when on video it clearly shows that brakes didn't worked at all, only handbrake when he was trying to save.

[stefanvv]

It's stupid to say it was his fault when on video it clearly shows that brakes didn't worked at all, only handbrake when he was trying to save.

Yeah, we're stupid, ignore us.

[rallye-vid]

Kubica said on facebook (video), that there wasn't any problems with the brakes during the stage. Just hot brakes on the stage before.


Just before the finish line he wanted to break, but the pedal went into the ground and the only thing he could do was to use the hand brake. He says it was a technical failure

[N.O.T]

discussing if his 3rd crash in a single event was due to technical problems or not is retarded... i feel at least 5 IQ units lower in intelligence now that i got involved in this argument... the problem is i have room for that but you guys... you guys i worry about.

[dimviii]

I already did with the numbers, they speak for themselves, aren't they? But You're the better car expert, tell me I'm wrong

you did with numbers out from your mind= you did nothing.
you dont know the speed
you dont know where is exactly the flying
you dont know how long straight is before the flying
you dont know when he started to brake
you dont know what corner is after the car dissapears from video,and with how many km/h can run through
you dont know if there was any brake failure
you dont know how is the fade of brakes

[makinen_fan]

i just watched loeb and latvala onboard in wrc+. they braked about 100 meters before flying finish. kubica was flat on the throttle until he crossed the flying finish

[danon]

you mean Latvala has to form an alliance with capito to dethrone Ogier ? not very wise. In citroen is ended with that bald ugly manager losing his job and ogier to be beaten senseless by the champ and move to exile...

Keeping the pressure on as the arrogant did it... he'll make it.
The arrogant is prone to mistakes when the menace comes from within the team.

[A FONDO]

On this event of course he deserves his 3rd place, but the post I replied to was saying he was the 3rd best driver, he isnt.

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/index.php?id=789&L=1

[dimviii]

i agree with this. if it was fading brakes then he should have a bit of indication of them going off. he could have slowed down a bit earlier. i dont believe it was catastrophic failure at that moment

sometimes fade comes slowly and you can understant it,sometimes you just press the pedal and you have very little brake power.Its scary,i ve feel it couple of times.

[danon]

sometimes fade comes slowly and you can understant it,sometimes you just press the pedal and you have very little brake power.Its scary,i ve feel it couple of times.

So did I!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Mitsubishi_logo.svg/2000px-Mitsubishi_logo.svg.png

[dimviii]

power stage
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fjxjn_wrc-monte-carlo-2015-power-stage-es15-rtbf-be_sport?start=4

[Mirek]

From the video it really looks like brake failure and an attempt to save it by handbrake. It wouldn't be the first crash of such kind.

For example this was a confirmed case of sudden loss of brake pressure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4uEZA8M-k

[stefanvv]

you did with numbers out from your mind= you did nothing.
My mind is relatively precise, I trust it

you dont know the speed
Just saw confirmation from Kubica posted here it is 170km/h. I was way too optimistic, perhaps because the bad video quality.

you dont know where is exactly the flying
The flying (I presume You mean finish) is just after the camera man, You'll see the typical red/white straps put at every stage finish in this Monte.

you dont know how long straight is before the flying
Not relative to the matter.

you dont know when he started to brake
Seems just after the flying finish, judging from the engine sound.

you dont know what corner is after the car dissapears from video,and with how many km/h can run through
From the crash sound it doesn't look very flat, but Kubica should know better, I am not doing Monte recce for sure.

you dont know if there was any brake failure
you dont know how is the fade of brakes
I see lot of smoke from the tyres, this means working brakes

Don't encourage this, might end bad;)

[dimviii]

nice spot the asphalt one.Watch Meeke how enters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fZC5_sRWY&feature=youtu.be


nice photo of Meeke
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/10923462_630689023723662_6103848797631736928_o.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kubica wasn't alone in having brake problems on the stage:

Jari-Matti Latvala appeared stressed as he steered his Volkswagen Polo R into the finish (of SS14). “The brakes are horrible. I had no bite on them and it was very, very scary to drive. We only have one stage left, so I hope it will be OK,” said the Finn.

[stefanvv]

Why are Breen & Hirschi with VW in "event highlight day3" on wrc+. Is it because they finished?:D:D:D

468

[SubaruNorway]

No chance you can make that corner going flat anyway since it's a 1 or 2 right. The front left is locked up from the cars already so obviously the brakes are working. Watching Tanak who is the only inboard before Robert he is braking 100m before the finish and just hitting 180kph.

[danon]

No, 'cause riding VWs.

[latek]

Another view of Robert's off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&v=B5bHoiq3Ztk&x-yt-ts=1421914688

[mousti]

Why are Breen & Hirschi with VW in "event highlight day3" on wrc+. Is it because they finished?:D:D:D

468

VW bought Peugeot :D

[N.O.T]

Another view of Robert's off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&v=B5bHoiq3Ztk&x-yt-ts=1421914688

that is from friday.

[thuGG]

Armchair experts at their best here.

[dimviii]

My mind is relatively precise, I trust it

Just saw confirmation from Kubica posted here it is 170km/h. I was way too optimistic, perhaps because the bad video quality.

precise with 20km/h difference?at these speeds may you need some 20-30meters more.



Not relative to the matter..

it is.Use your precise brain,but dont mistake again like Kubicas speed.


Seems just after the flying finish, judging from the engine sound.
with seems how can be sure about the distance remaining or no brake failure ?


From the crash sound it doesn't look very flat,
from crash sound you know how is the corner? lol


but Kubica should know better, I am not doing Monte recce for sure.
of course he knows better,but you call him lier.


I see lot of smoke from the tyres, this means working brakes
if you pull the handbrake the wheels will lock,even if you haven t any brake power.Different system.So that you saw smoke doesn t mean that he had brakes or how much they were working


Don't encourage this, might end bad;)
only for you,because you are sure about subjects you dont have a clue.

[stefanvv]

precise with 20km/h difference?at these speeds may you need some 20-30meters more.




it is.Use your precise brain,but dont mistake again like Kubicas speed.


with seems how can be sure about the distance remaining or no brake failure ?


from crash sound you know how is the corner? lol


of course he knows better,but you call him lier.


if you pull the handbrake the wheels will lock,even if you haven t any brake power.Different system.So that you saw smoke doesn t mean that he had brakes.


only for you,because you are sure about subjects you dont have a clue.

Don't embarrass Yourself, like with Loeb. I don't have problems with Kubica driving, just little concerned for the lives of the people involved.

[stefanvv]

VW bought Peugeot :D

Well, that might create some competition in R5 area:D:D:D

[thuGG]

Don't embarrass Yourself, like with Loeb. I don't have problems with Kubica driving, just little concerned for the lives of the people involved.


LOL, it's you who is embarrasing.

[stefanvv]

LOL, it's you who is embarrasing.

I know, I stupid, can't help it:D:D:D

[thuGG]

I'm glad you realised that.

[N.O.T]

stop the discussion about that nobody... does it matter ??

only if you have incar video with the camera at the pedal you can see what really happened...

[danon]

stefanvv, ever driven a rally car?

[N.O.T]

Ever driven a rally car?

no.

[thuGG]

stop the discussion about that nobody... does it matter ??

only if you have incar video with the camera at the pedal you can see what really happened...

He is somebody, he achieved many things as a sportsman. You are nobody, just a jerk on some forum.

[stefanvv]

I'm glad you realised that.

Lacking of understanding of irony is not very good sign, but I forgive You. You're Kubica fan, that is fine by me. I just can't agree with his dangerous driving sometimes, that is all and that is it, I know, I know.... I'm just stupid. But take a serious note only if You wish, no one is pushing You.

[N.O.T]

He is somebody, he achieved many things as a sportsman. You are nobody, just a jerk on some forum.

yes that is why i am comparing him to others doing the same thing as him but they do not crash 3 times in 4 days.... so compared to them he is a nobody... plus he is ugly... i am not ugly.

[thuGG]

Lacking of understanding of irony is not very good sign, but I forgive You. You're Kubica fan, that is fine by me. I just can't agree with his dangerous driving sometimes, that is all and that is it, I know, I know.... I'm just stupid. But take a serious note only if You wish, no one is pushing You.

I understand irony very well, I just don't want to play along.
Many drivers crashed at Monte therefore they also created some dangerous situations, but you ignore that. You only concentrate on Kubica, why is that? If there is 20 offs in a rally then it's dangerous, but you are only concerned with one guy, that's double standards.

[N.O.T]

I understand irony very well, I just don't want to play along.
Many drivers crashed at Monte therefore they also created some dangerous situations, but you ignore that. You only concentrate on Kubica, why is that? If there is 20 offs in a rally then it's dangerous, but you are only concerned wiht one guy, that's double standards.

he crashed 3 times in 4 days not once...

[thuGG]

yes that is why i am comparing him to others doing the same thing as him but they do not crash 3 times in 4 days.... so compared to them he is a nobody... plus he is ugly... i am not ugly.

Still wrong, he is fast, he is recognized and he is making headlines and he is winning stages. He achieved something already. Your head is too deep in your ass to notice.