Rallye Monte Carlo 2015

[EightGear]

Henning's car is the one used by Hirvonen in Sweden...... 2011.

[dimviii]

Camilli
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https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/q81/p180x540/10570328_10152946897960733_7608428430050980267_n.j pg?oh=77455f723fdd304caa44379cd0fb7fb6&oe=55604333&__gda__=1432351536_61966ac3c0fe75d05bb7c9d2b7d2f11 e

Bouffier
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10425516_10152946900370733_237652223718727573_n.jp g?oh=3afa10341b15e55e77337f1998c6bc56&oe=5522F9A8

Bertelli
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[dimviii]

from recce
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uDw4wCEAAxbpu.jpg


Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF
@MadsOstberg with french police after speed control during #WRC #MC2015 recce today
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7t_tMkIcAA05wY.jpg

Becs Williams ‏@Becsywecsy 7 λεπτάΠριν από 7 λεπτά
Just arriving into Gap and it is snowing

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb & Elena at Recce

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uAFoJIcAAhUAu.jpg

and Meeke & Nagle

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7t7HuyCAAA7wem.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uNib1CUAE82Jp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uNicvCYAAYFNj.jpg

[thuGG]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZzWWOATHq2c/VL0UHi2qu-I/AAAAAAAATCg/UWmInG4i6y0/s1600/post-557-1421676053%2C5987.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3MqUcyEH7ZY/VL0UHSaO7RI/AAAAAAAATCc/FtKdRpTiKCE/s1600/post-557-1421676061%2C1717.jpg

[Quad]

Subaru :cool:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I like the numbers stuck on the steering-wheel !! :D

[dimviii]

Giordano Lefebvre
https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10919902_872374189471777_2121329174192925667_o.jpg


Dumas porsche
http://d2uv4t0ox1pknx.cloudfront.net/fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/2014_RomainDumas_PorscheRGT_RallyeMonteCarlo_Pre-728x546.jpg

[dimviii]

Abbring at recce...
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-557-1421678025,3715_thumb.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-557-1421679016,8971_thumb.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Delecour's 997 :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7tkukmCYAE1UNN.jpg:large

[KKS]

Ogier also was close winning on his first season and won on his second... Evans showed ecouraging pace on tarmac but nothing more... lets hope he improves this year.
just see this
http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=3109&t=Sebastien-Ogier
Ogier win only on 4th full season with WRC with "UberPolo" car

[EightGear]

just see this
http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=3109&t=Sebastien-Ogier
Ogier win only on 4th full season with WRC with "UberPolo" car

It's about rally wins.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC-2 Craig Breen on test with the 208T16 yesterday:

Lets hope we see this 208..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7pq8wqIEAAazE-.jpg

Not this...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7o7Kc9CcAElAOa.jpg

[EightGear]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads8/54bd2d999970a/54bd2d9980c63-10919027_10204792905335999_4882682276547859061_n.j pg

Recce on all events for Abbring.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC TV recce crew sliding their way through SS5/8...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uglZ3IMAAsl5U.jpg

[tommeke_B]

WRC TV recce crew sliding their way through SS5/8...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uglZ3IMAAsl5U.jpg

Hope a miracle happens and they finally choose interesting places for the first time in +-20 years.

[er88]

Cheers to Dimviii and the rest of the guys for posting the pics on here.

Hope everyone enjoys the rally and the season ahead. Im really looking forward to the championship this year, more so than i have in the last 5 or 6yrs. Hopefully Latvala pushes Ogier all the way this year, and id love to see Meeke and Andreas push on and win an event or two. Neuville will be a threat ( especially when the new car arrives ) and it will be interesting to see if Evans or Tanak will be able to get near the podium more regularly. Reckon Loeb will make a few more appearances too, if he gets a good result this weekend!

Also, it would be great if the forums weather expert bluuford, could continue to keep us updated in the build up to the rally and during the event. He was incredibly accurate during last years Monte, more so than most of the so called "weather experts" at WRC teams it seemed :-D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans car at Service Park ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uG3OsIUAAic3Q.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uXPK2CIAIa-JF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uXPyOCUAIkuu7.jpg

[EstWRC]

video of service park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfOiVTMseUM&list=PLVyRAt2cxbxsXY3FnRKASR0GZZy_Jm1_g

[MikeD]

Indeed:

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads8/54bd115b56906/54bd115b4e052-B7t83lpIUAEmd_E.jpg

Is it me or is Henning Solberg on Michelin tyres for Monte? Last year he was using Pirelli & DMACK's.

[EstWRC]

He should be with Pirelli's.

[dimviii]

Chardo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7vVWUECQAA2jFP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7vVWYDCQAA0UPV.jpg

[MikeD]

He should be with Pirelli's. But there are Michelin stickers on his car.

[Kielder]

Close for Kubica and closer for the dumb cameraman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZruGl0UtHXE

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10933958_10152766474968952_43056934509385886_n.jpg ?oh=05e16f67f7d927068f453ab07833879a&oe=5533FE37&__gda__=1432725647_2701e7b8929f1c5699f7dd12edaf99c 2
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[Kielder]

Meanwhile, in Lachamp-Raphaël...

http://i59.tinypic.com/28816z7.jpg

I will always miss Ardèche and Drôme here. I hope being alive to see the return of Burzet-Burzet.

[Mirek]

That's interesting point. From my experience I have to say that the stages of Ardéche aren't that nice. Those around Gap or in the Alpe Maritimes are sure much more technical and overall nicer. On the other hand the stages around Valence were much easier to access for spectators and if there was snow they were really spectacular. Without snow it was worse. Moreover some where a little bit too fast even for me being Czech (Saint Bonnet) :P

[AndyRAC]

Grumpy old man alert; a 'proper' Monte should have stages in all those areas.
St Bonnet le Froid, Burzet - St Martial, Sisteron, St Jean en Royans - Font d'Urie, Sospel - Moulinet - La Bollene Vesubie, etc

[N.O.T]

Grumpy old man alert; a 'proper' Monte should have stages in all those areas.
St Bonnet le Froid, Burzet - St Martial, Sisteron, St Jean en Royans - Font d'Urie, Sospel - Moulinet - La Bollene Vesubie, etc

yes with average speeds of 50kms/hr like all the trendy girls of the 80s...

[stefanvv]

Grumpy old man alert; a 'proper' Monte should have stages in all those areas.
St Bonnet le Froid, Burzet - St Martial, Sisteron, St Jean en Royans - Font d'Urie, Sospel - Moulinet - La Bollene Vesubie, etc

Grumpier old man alert. I agree with previous posts that the night of Turini is the real spirit of Monte:)

[Mirek]

yes with average speeds of 50kms/hr like all the trendy girls of the 80s...

I think that the gr.B record of Walter Röhl on stage Saint Piereville was broken only in 2011...

[N.O.T]

I think that the gr.B record of Walter Röhl on stage Saint Piereville was broken only in 2011...

probably because the stage was dry in 2011 since "mr i have no balls for finland" run it...

[WUff1]

Close for Kubica and closer for the dumb cameraman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZruGl0UtHXE

Typical mistake of Kubica, still too fast in turns. Don´t think he´ll do better in this years WRC than last year ...

[AL14]

They should teach you some physics basis before giving you a camera in a rally race. How the hell can you stay on that position of the road? And with Kubica driving!

[bluuford]

The westermost stages have been affected by the heavy snow/rain during last couple of days, also a bit in the north (stages 2, 10, 12, 3/6,4/7,5/8). It is expected that snowfall moves a little eastward by tomorrow and some stage are going to get between 10 and 20 cm of new snow. Turini and powerstage will be least affected (only top of the Turini).

[EstWRC]

and they are already in trouble, 2 road blocks on recce https://twitter.com/sebmarshall/status/557447765253709824

[JTGANG]

At least for yesterday a Greek friend who is doing the recce also as gravel car for a Greek crew told me that from the 2 stages of Thursday and 3 stages of Sunday there was only abt 2 km of snow at the top of Turini.All others stages were clear

[Mirek]

At least for yesterday a Greek friend who is doing the recce also as gravel car for a Greek crew told me that from the 2 stages of Thursday and 3 stages of Sunday there was only abt 2 km of snow at the top of Turini.All others stages were clear

In the mountains it changes from hour to hour. What is there two days before may mean nothing about the conditions during the rally. Let's wait and see what the nature prepared this time.

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak
Fun this morning, Sisteron Stage we had 20km of snow during the recce!

https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/557487914171781120

[N.O.T]

If there is fresh snow on the roads then the first few crews are at a huge disadvantage...

[urabus-denoS2000]

Any schedule for live stages (when, which programmes, etc.)?

[thuGG]

Don't know how it'll be like in other countries, but in Poland live stages are: 1, 13, 15.

[rage82]

WRC+ - Thursday 20:00 CET - ss1
Sunday - 09:30 CET - ss13
Sunday - 12:00 CET - ss15 ( power stage )

Also tomorrow will be available some livestream from SP I think via livestream on wrc.com.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Recce...

Mads in Viking conditions !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7ypvpEIQAIGx3k.jpg

Neuville helping a local

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7y1xaFIAAAbeNY.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Recce trouble - roads blocked..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7x6rOXCAAA9rVQ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7xwz36IcAEpwOW.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7xzyM8CYAA3gqM.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

I hope lots of snow during the rally :bounce:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sisteron incl. 10k of snow: :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7zFxCnCAAASAO7.jpg

[stefanvv]

nice conditions

[Quad]

I hope lots of snow during the rally :bounce:

And I not. I don't find it nice to watch when WRC cars slide 30km/h to survive. 3-5 km snow part is great, but 20 per stage is too much ;)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7y5rzFCUAEdk6g.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7x1i7vCAAAfwhz.jpg

ss10 photo from Mads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7ypvpEIQAIGx3k.jpg

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 3 ώρεςΠριν από 3 ώρες
Not bad spot to kick the year off! View from the start of SS1 - might not be quite so spectacle in the dark!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7ykFjUCEAAlAow.jpg

[Ounin]

And I not. I don't find it nice to watch when WRC cars slide 30km/h to survive. 3-5 km snow part is great, but 20 per stage is too much ;)
With the right tires in the snow it should be party time, with slicks in the snow the speed should indeed be 'walkable' for the fans, like crazy dressed fans in the Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez allez allez Seb! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke - 'Interesting day of Recce on RallyeMonteCarlo… lots of snow early on.. but clearing fast.'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7zTCUTIYAEKJdH.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen - 'Variety makes it exciting! Not all stages are covered in snow. SS10'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7zMeGJCAAUYr1T.jpg

[bluuford]

At least for yesterday a Greek friend who is doing the recce also as gravel car for a Greek crew told me that from the 2 stages of Thursday and 3 stages of Sunday there was only abt 2 km of snow at the top of Turini.All others stages were clear
Read my post more clearly. I said that powerstage and Turini are least affected, only top of the Turini = all Sunday stage + SS1 was too west for snowfall and Ss2 got snow just before darkness yesterday (I have camera view there ;-)

So, Shakedown still loks like wet snow/,maybe some rain at the beginning.
SS1 and 2 should get approximately 10 cm of snow overnight (tomorrow), up to +1..+3 degrees during the day and --2.. -3 degrees by the start of the stage
SS 3-8 should get 5-10 cm snow during the sam night, no plus degrees, and a lot of sun on Friday. Should be beautiful pictures:-)

[Quad]

Isn't that Loeb ? :p

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10926445_10152569503486960_2756165824347692435_n.j pg?oh=2fbbdf9a1f482a4699456674d3ae6d66&oe=555C7BAC&__gda__=1429156307_df63b1f38106fe13668f967242eab59 e

[Roy]

I was just wondering What is that sticker, UK flag with 60, on Evans car. It is not on the car of Tänak.

staticclub.caradisiac.com/1/sport-auto/divers/photo/hd/590542590/51536879a5/divers-10838188_10152766010523952_813209563688232202_o-big.jpg

[dimviii]

its not 60 imho its ''GO''

btw Sordo and Ostberg caught speeding with 120 and 130km/h with 90km/h limit.

[Rallyper]

its not 60 imho its ''GO''

btw Sordo and Ostberg caught speeding with 120 and 130km/h with 90km/h limit.

So what happens then? Fines only?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

btw Sordo and Ostberg caught speeding with 120 and 130km/h with 90km/h limit.

Naughty boys ! :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7zdzv1IMAAkxI2.jpg

[dimviii]

So what happens then? Fines only?

i think its possible to have penalty except fine but i am not sure.

[N.O.T]

If they got caught within the stage then there is a time penalty, of course it depends for how long they kept the illegal speed if it was just fractional they might get away with a fine.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1551767_10206020158087708_1436745910456467341_n.jp g?oh=f525d06bd018b90e5e46eb20edc9dbff&oe=55230DE5&__gda__=1428651151_a907592f30e71f80544625c199d8681 e

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And Loeb's car is ready...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7o5YZtIIAA_iO3.jpg

[mousti]

Isn't that Loeb ? :p

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10926445_10152569503486960_2756165824347692435_n.j pg?oh=2fbbdf9a1f482a4699456674d3ae6d66&oe=555C7BAC&__gda__=1429156307_df63b1f38106fe13668f967242eab59 e
Mathieu Margaillan

[dimviii]

krismeeke.com ‏@krismeeke
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[dimviii]

Sisteron-Thoard problem

http://www.dici.fr/actu/2015/01/20/rallye-monte-carlo-2015-la-speciale-sisteron-thoard-annulee-cause-dun-eboulement-decision-en-soiree-553075

[Roy]

I was just wondering What is that sticker, UK flag with 60, on Evans car. It is not on the car of Tänak.

staticclub.caradisiac.com/1/sport-auto/divers/photo/hd/590542590/51536879a5/divers-10838188_10152766010523952_813209563688232202_o-big.jpg

I found it by myself.
Motorsport news is 60 years. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B66NnlxIAAA5DTo.jpg:large
Nothing special, but little bit rare to see the sticker on one car of the British M-sport team.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B70p2MWIQAAOvVM.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

Sisteron-Thoard problem

http://www.dici.fr/actu/2015/01/20/rallye-monte-carlo-2015-la-speciale-sisteron-thoard-annulee-cause-dun-eboulement-decision-en-soiree-553075

Let's hope it doesn't come to cancellation, how bad it is?

[Mintexmemory]

Let's hope it doesn't come to cancellation, how bad it is?
They'll put the plough through before the weekend!

[dimviii]

Like the competitors, we spent Monday and Tuesday visiting the stages that will feature on the first three days of the 2015 Rallye Monte Carlo. We found 15km of snow on SS10 and we were unable to reach the Col de Fontbelle mountain pass on SS12. This has the makings of being an exceptional Monte Carlo!

http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Perfect-Monte-Carlo-conditions

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B70hOKRIYAAJhum.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-969-0-40119000-1421787690.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-969-0-50733900-1421787708.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-654-0-65010300-1421789607.jpg

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10940628_838517696208106_6626348997843796626_n.jpg ?oh=d2136be52b539b1905bf99a9f1da1599&oe=55229769&__gda__=1432549585_5b353327792c267b8e165a339d880af b

[satukata]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10940628_838517696208106_6626348997843796626_n.jpg ?oh=d2136be52b539b1905bf99a9f1da1599&oe=55229769&__gda__=1432549585_5b353327792c267b8e165a339d880af b

kubica have pirelli tyres?

Pirelli drivers had big advantage in 1st ERC rally.. Can drivers use same type of tyres in monte than jänner rally?

[VFTS]

No, they cant use the same type as in Jänner.
The Monte-tyres is wider and not so good in winterconditions, but better if there are changes in the surface(some tarmac and some ice/snow) on a stage.

[jiipee64]

Any news about that maybe cancelled stage.
It was on my plans...

[KKS]

Latvala:

"I aim for a place in the top four. It would be an achievement for me because I have never done beyond fifth place on this very difficult rally. I clearly not going to risk it all to win this rally. I am already excited to see the end.."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7pRuCRCYAEW1lo.jpg
This stars on his shoulders means number "off's" on every rally? :D

[René]

@jiipee64 The last news of this morning at 9 h 00 from ACM confirms stage 12 Sisteron-Thoard is not cancelled. The road was cleaned during the night.

[stefanvv]

This stars on his shoulders means number "off's" on every rally? :D

No, I think these must be VW titles. However I really hope for more dules to the final between Ogier & Latvala this year.

[KKS]

I don't think that will be some changes from '14 except Monte. At Monte Ogier will moaning something like that: "Loeb don't participate at whole season so I concentrate on 2nd place and good points" :D

BTW: Delecour and Dumas have different cars Cup Porsche with 3.8L (450hp) and 4.0L(480hp). I know that at Monte it means nothing but still wonder why not at same cars.

[swift75]

Hi everybody!
I've been following this forum for many years already, and now I decided to go to my first Rallye Monte Carlo this year. I planned to do either SS1 or 2 on Thursday, SS5/8 on Friday, SS9 and SS12 on Saturday and Col de Turini on Sunday. As I don't know the area very well and as I'll only arrive tomorrow afternoon, any help regarding good spots to spectate would be very much appreciated!

[stefanvv]

I don't think that will be some changes from '14 except Monte. At Monte Ogier will moaning something like that: "Loeb don't participate at whole season so I concentrate on 2nd place and good points" :D

Riiiiight.


BTW: Delecour and Dumas have different cars Cup Porsche with 3.8L (450hp) and 4.0L(480hp). I know that at Monte it means nothing but still wonder why not at same cars.

Yes, Dumas has the newer version I think. I don't know why Delecour doesn't, may be doesn't need more power, but there could be other upgrades too.

[bluuford]

Live picture 4km from SS1 finish: heavy snowfall. Elevation= ca 700m
http://webcam.annot.com/

[Mirek]

BTW: Delecour and Dumas have different cars Cup Porsche with 3.8L (450hp) and 4.0L(480hp). I know that at Monte it means nothing but still wonder why not at same cars.

They have restrictors. Is the bigger volume an advantage?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans on the Monte challenge & aiming for podiums:

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2015/monte-challenge/page/2069--12-12-.html

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2015/evans-podium-push/page/2073--12-12-.html

[rage82]

Loeb crashed on today's recce: https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/557855883871653890/photo/1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala's lady is ready...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73o67PCEAA9zrK.jpg:large

[JTGANG]

They have restrictors. Is the bigger volume an advantage?

I think only restrictor is the weight to power ratio which should be no less than 3.4kg/1hp

[Francis44]

Loeb crashed on today's recce: https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/557855883871653890/photo/1

From the picture it looks like it might have happened on a road section, maybe impact with civil car?!

[Mirek]

I think only restrictor is the weight to power ratio which should be no less than 3.4kg/1hp

Are You sure? How do they declare power? I find it hard to believe that there would be any rule using power figure as a kind of definition. In my opinion it's impossible to control.

[rage82]

From the picture it looks like it might have happened on a road section, maybe impact with civil car?!

No other info at the moment only this picture.

[noel157]

SS5 and 8 this morning:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B72o3GiIAAAwV3x.jpg

[JTGANG]

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/256%20%282014%29x.pdf

Check page 6.......I have read it also in a interview of Tuthill manager

[noel157]

Looks like a simple off:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73rRK6IgAAK5s0.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Two off's now for Loeb... one in testing, one on recce. This wont do his confidence any good.

And remember this is how his last WRC rally ended...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BW7zASkIgAAktwx.jpg

[Mirek]

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/256%20%282014%29x.pdf

Check page 6.......I have read it also in a interview of Tuthill manager

In my opinion the key sentence is the second one.


All the air necessary for feeding the engine must pass
through this restrictor, which must respect the following:
- The power of all cars is restricted according to a minimum
power/weight ratio of 3.4 kg/hp (4.6kg/kw) in all
international rallies. The FIA shall, at all times and under
all circumstances, take all the measures necessary for the
enforcement of this power restriction.
- The diameter of the restrictors is established by the FIA
and must be mentioned in the FIA/R-GT Technical
Passport.

I understand that FIA decides in every single case what restrictor such car must use based on some power estimation/measurement under some conditions. That is kind of bizarre regulation because You can't really control exact power value after the passport is granted. In case the resulting power is circa same it's still questionable if it's better to have bigger volume of the engine.

[hari]

SS5 and 8 this morning:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B72o3GiIAAAwV3x.jpg

Pictures is from Monday, even before the new snow arrived.

[WUff1]

Two off's now for Loeb... one in testing, one on recce. This wont do his confidence any good.

And remember this is how his last WRC rally ended...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BW7zASkIgAAktwx.jpg

Me too I wouldn´t bet Loeb finishing the rally.

[Quad]

Me too starting to have doubts if Loeb will finish this rally :D

[KKS]

They have restrictors. Is the bigger volume an advantage?

No. I didn't find RGT spec of this cars. So think it's same as at circuit racing. And at dry tarmac +30hp is an advantage. But not big in rallying, more so at Monte.

[Mirek]

No. I didn't find RGT spec of this cars. So think it's same as at circuit racing. And at dry tarmac +30hp is an advantage. But not big in rallying, more so at Monte.

No way these cars would have 450/480 Hp under RGT spec. I believe the power is somewhere around 350-360 Hp.

[makinen_fan]

Looks like a simple off:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73rRK6IgAAK5s0.jpg

I think this photo is from Wales 2008 recce, I am sure I have seen it in the past

[KKS]

100% Google prove this
https://www.google.com.ua/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisYyUhOzU_1ploezTFmG1wFp-yiE5E4s3xtfx8xnGPHr3eJIAbdkxVu5qyN9hoImnS-MOp4YUK18DX0FRYQjd051l8WsiiWeZG1OZURQ4wy-ojKIYoIowLSmrzpVG2G3qL5ydeZeRb_1l0sfG2nErsTPYhj1JE 3RisJefTTovRn_1heJUc5WhYWfVdH1RGUtgbVfTdugCnXIimMc woVzS_1k1dThflcMPYK-RQ_12VxGOauJFU6xVDJEKr86Ub3cDVHn8L7uf6Yrb3qhfkr5Y4 xZCTFI4DW5qkmkr43YUfyaTgbrtXNOz_1CZTwCBUYh-f3q0QkXWOyCeJhtnGpBuN0pgbiDV6Ha9oSH-wgY0b0ethaBbXp9ru56B2eJFB4W9wwah1tUwEnM5gN3TmN0zlO 6QPkyW8NaQYlafALnIHSkl7Yo0vtXyKFVHuET0tyzmBs_1pUpk _12xqpEHq37XoKhTSwar6rGmqcy8T9hh4RPLhgBaXZ0iUocGsS jFA0zPPoEo2o081XX58YKqdQ_1zKs-D4oi3EL3couqIDIL6ZWvMt6H5nEEo-l5zyGmGZTnJRyFB0vhXYl9VU2LV500n-qkmO875z-QDxCE975SBDAtIo0OuoWkE--u6V8PZGvnK5v480d4h0w3LeJ63qhbzkrmAoPIIqzKG4mLJcs6k f7LIAT46W_1Bcy5YMEW9ugZWBPz0YCkQEk-5vDbaN-8kz-EPCBKhWLRPj0EUiRD454nRzGjtZjtMBjEYn3-NOxOPGFwi-wks7q_15H9bXDZ9Q_16JA8D_1U04SKbMmpg4DWJ2iY79YmvoEY KE7OS4KI-KZYspBOLAmua7IlyT2ptBfCahgVmeaOfFVO99a2_1J_15HoLrj vRHC11aldQtM3Q-7dztjs8E5r72JmzOkCi-qVEorGdGgFwK8bw0sjV0qm81EURwxrgmejuS_1YgeayBNIu2Mb xMGOSMMUxRDnPK_1j88aqzJBi_1-d0Ec3D0bQWdI-jB5QgwpUsVEgF93Zx8WQxVY4Ck0wJMFw53UbSx0WfbVinIYaJu B4-B68CkEGQsPVS-1G-wbwYfct3SjYUz40LAwnMwWIMO6mqOnxCGHxdPtPBZdEeDUzh9C 88buebS4LJU13KpbwZHhMQyH7cX4TgV8OMe3iRClcJ6hZiSXLU sRWNGt2oGpO9Vv0BFmmlZFVYOroiSlwmW1sbZ20vpW85bNdE0t 4IQ8wiz6D28RyHAUMkCP-lqHEDCaMhyKpp74o24g7qmL-qRy_1bHOp2DKXKAy1c7O3U26d86iUoFXG-wx8JAzxiP7zbayZHVx4ib2xBJEKW3JZnLnG-PGdyVNxs3MxBUklIfk6ZBcOf1ueeu0Wz4mr17hLGJRQ8WG3mku JmWK7NqbaZqMAuM34X-FKC1ujtN66T3s0X3ZkkCqNwagVibQ5DUrF7uqYkb4a3gpNzO0j jica6zO-NGl39IhWh_1TP82EshH8g58Zt9RNm5r75bkMyJ1_1LWZAxtCWE LrIWFSiH4yRa6Ion5youuvFyA3CS0LbW-NH3cLTUyTtodgGJr8FVLnHraI_1WXZpbnLF9Ib0JInGvJS5qai GvLuO0erHSPC4P7aLvcLAKoZdgYWYnv1RrvshRQcNgFLFF2fHj vr37bVkmq-oQ1A04oFAT_1Co4QOlfb0MmI8S2UbG&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%88%D1%83%D0%BA%20%D0%B7%D0%B0 %20%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B D%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%BC

[bluuford]

Yeah, I can tell that it was not snowing on those stages that they were recceing today in the morning ;-)

[AL14]

I think this photo is from Wales 2008 recce, I am sure I have seen it in the past

You guys sometimes really astonish me. How could you remember a picture of a little off in a recce seven years ago?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live Service Park stream is up: :)

http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

[noel157]

You are right, 2008 RGB. Jez, some a-holes about Twitter although from a usually reliable feed. Sure, many retweet but somebody made the mistake/acting stupid at some stage. Thanks for the heads up.

[noel157]

Live Service Park stream is up: :)

http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

Poor girl still there with the Hyundai balloon.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1513741_760589820681726_7121411750688068580_n.jpg? oh=ccae0b890e00978e265ab347007d4486&oe=555CA940

Neuvilles helmet/uniform
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73zfKyIUAAhpkE.jpg

ss9
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73SIB3IQAE1FIz.jpg

these photos are from same stage(ss11)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B73SkgvCMAAvAiC.jpg

[noel157]

Should be an interesting rally Dimviii, no?

[noel157]

Poor girl still there with the Hyundai balloon.

You make a comment/post here and it's on Twitter in 3 mins. Small world..... : )

[dimviii]

Should be an interesting rally Dimviii, no?

i am pretty sure!! conditions vary at plenty of stages.
Lets hope to have battle till last kms.

[Mirek]

A question... The ban of splits applies also for spectators?

[Francis44]

A question... The ban of splits applies also for spectators?

We should have acess to splits normally as in previous years, atleast that's what I understood.

Edit: Yes http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/december/split-times/page/1996--12-12-.html

"Split times will remain available to teams and fans to view as normal."

[noel157]

A question... The ban of splits applies also for spectators?

A guy/girl with a card board sign standing by the side of the stage?

Ruling I think said something like:
"It also means, for example, times cannot be sent by text message via a third party away from the rally, or by a team member displaying information on a board in the stage, as happened before electronic transmission started to be adopted"

F44 beat me to it.

[KKS]

You guys sometimes really astonish me. How could you remember a picture of a little off in a recce seven years ago?

some people could remember not only things from yesterday ;)

[KKS]

Thumbs up or down shown to driver correct info, but this isn't a "board". So I guess drivers will know their pace

[garais22]

After all problems in Recce, Monte will be thrilling rally!! Can`t wait
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/wrc/4157-montekarlo-wrc-rallijs-sakas-ar-piedzivojumiem-lebam-avarija-foto/

[Mirek]

A guy/girl with a card board sign standing by the side of the stage?

Ruling I think said something like:
"It also means, for example, times cannot be sent by text message via a third party away from the rally, or by a team member displaying information on a board in the stage, as happened before electronic transmission started to be adopted"

F44 beat me to it.

I didn't mean it from this point of view. I just wanted to know if I as a spectator could follow splits :)

Anyway sadly I have no time to follow Monte...

[PLuto]

A question... The ban of splits applies also for spectators?

Split times were not banned. Only what is banned is communication between team and crew, if I am correct.

[stefanvv]

Yes, splits are staying in wrc.com (and others). Now they should be even on the tracking maps on wrc+, sounds nice, we'll see.

[jiipee64]

"@jiipee64 The last news of this morning at 9 h 00 from ACM confirms stage 12 Sisteron-Thoard is not cancelled. The road was cleaned during the night."

Thanks Rene.

I'm at Sisteron right now...

[dimviii]

"@jiipee64 The last news of this morning at 9 h 00 from ACM confirms stage 12 Sisteron-Thoard is not cancelled. The road was cleaned during the night."

Thanks Rene.

I'm at Sisteron right now...

waiting for news-photos during rally mate.Have a nice rally!

[bluuford]

Shakedown just started? I tought it was 18:00.. so, then they will get just a wet roads :-) Bigger clouds have just passed and nextones are a few hours away with more rain and snow.

[RICARDO75]

Live stream shakedown
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3894109/events/3746287

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74djpKCQAAXxAu.jpg

Loeb completes first run in Shakedown with the time 2:21,0

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing
#WRC @krismeeke ends the first run: 2'21"4. @MadsOstberg 1'52"8.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74c5xwCQAAtBRP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74c5xnCYAAk2sA.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogier 1:52,1
Ostberg 1:52,8
Loeb 2:21,0
Meeke 2:21,4

photo from shakedown
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74cak2CQAMI9RO.jpg

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville 31 δευτερόλεπταΠριν από 31 δευτερόλεπτα
Shakedown is live! Thierry & Nicolas have just completed their first run with a time of 2:31.4

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-379-0-50508700-1421853299.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-379-0-81634200-1421853299.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-379-0-08636800-1421853300.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-379-0-08001600-1421853298.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shakedown so far:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74gzU3CAAAC85U.jpg

[dimviii]

Rallye-Sport.fr ‏@RallyeSport 7 λεπτάΠριν από 7 λεπτά
Classement shakedown provisoire

Loeb 2'21'0, Meeke 2'21'4, Ogier 2'22'1, Ostberg 2'22'8

probably times under 2 minutes are from 2nd pass?

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing 5 λεπτάΠριν από 5 λεπτά Gap, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
#WRC Need to double check the shakedown times... (As you could imagine!)

[dimviii]

Official times in Shakedown so far
Loeb
Meeke +0,4
Ogier +1,1
Evans +1,3
Ostberg + 1,8
Mikkelsen +2,8
Kubica +2,9
#RallyeMonteCarlo #WRC

[KKS]

And somebody looking for road closure schedule....
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Appendix1.pdf page 17

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live stream link ??

[Luis Pacheco]

Live stream link ??

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3894109/events/3746287

[stefanvv]

Here times seem reasonable - http://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-saison-est-lancee/

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-379-0-01324900-1421853547.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-379-0-91253200-1421853424.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Live stream link ??

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3894109/events/3746287

[dimviii]

VolkswagenMotorsport
.@SebOgier (1:52.1 mins) & @AMikkelsenRally (1:52.2) currently quickest in #Monte #shakedown. 2nd run underway. #VolkswagenMotorsport

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville 1 λεπτόΠριν από 1 λεπτό
Good second run for Thierry who completes with a time of 2:00.4! It’s 30s faster than his 1st run! #TN #RallyeMonteCarlo

[stefanvv]

what a mess

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SD

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2015/mg_2553.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2015/mg_9465.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2015/mg_2531.jpg

[dimviii]

what a mess

its not a mess,everything is normal.Loeb faster through 1st pass,now running 2nd pass and times are much faster 1,52 for Ogier for example.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

2nd run

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74jJoaCIAEtzF1.jpg

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/q82/p720x720/10930875_717380151711172_5146143207806497173_n.jpg ?oh=5e7c9a45b4fcc4eda859408095ea9856&oe=552D6EE3&__gda__=1432291914_5ec42d60b7211336b9d485863a3efc9 a
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2015/mg_9454.jpg
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2015/mg_9465.jpg

[stefanvv]

2nd run

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74jJoaCIAEtzF1.jpg

This is even more messy

[EightGear]

I don't get it at all.

[dimviii]

if Loeb had a spin is normal mates.

[EightGear]

These times are all very different:

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-saison-est-lancee/

[dimviii]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd 1 λεπτόΠριν από 1 λεπτό
Cars running at 30 second intervals so some peculiar times. We'll post a full list at the end of Shakedown


maybe timing mistakes? are they amateurs?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd
Cars running at 30 second intervals so some peculiar times. We'll post a full list at the end of Shakedown...

[EightGear]

All times below 2 minutes or so should add 30 seconds. Then you get this list:

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-saison-est-lancee/

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing
#WRC @SebastienLoeb "First run, we were first on the road and the quickest. Second run: conditions were much more tricky!"

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74lOsbCcAAeY4P.png

[EightGear]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville 1 λεπτόΠριν από 1 λεπτό
Good second run for Thierry who completes with a time of 2:00.4! It’s 30s faster than his 1st run! #TN #RallyeMonteCarlo

Proof that people who tweet this are just copying it from crap timing systems. You'd expect official drivers' account to be reliable.

[stefanvv]

Meeke: "It's nice to be back in the car. The car works well, it is quite complicated but I'm relaxed. "
Loeb: "For the first pass, we were the first car and we have the best time. In the second pass, the conditions were much more complicated. "

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74mT6vCYAATc0B.jpg

[dimviii]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏@VolkswagenRally 1 λεπτόΠριν από 1 λεπτό
3rd run of the #Monte #shakedown just started. #VolkswagenMotorsport

[stefanvv]

Boufiier isn't very quick?!?

[KKS]

hoho Tanak :) fastest 2:20.2

[dimviii]

Kubica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftHZi1YaOw0&x-yt-ts=1421828030&x-yt-cl=84411374

[dimviii]

Loeb after 1st pass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74n24gIgAA3kkd.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74mNAJIQAAsPUB.jpg

[dimviii]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏
We r hearing that #Monte #shakedown times r flawed. We'll post results when we have confirmed ones. #Sorry4That #VolkswagenMotorsport

[makinen_fan]

are they amateurs?

YES they are!!! They proved it once again... Great start to the year!

[N.O.T]

you are taking shakedown too seriously... relax boys...

[dimviii]

.. relax boys...

i can t....

mess continuous
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74sDGPCcAAVIlK.png

[EstWRC]

just a shakedown but...GO TÄNAK!

[stefanvv]

First times comparison for the new season is somewhat exciting, though only shakedown

[dimviii]

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg
Looks like some issues with the timeboard. Will return with times after #shakedown

[PLuto]

It is not so difficult to understand the times:

Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5
Prokop - 2:38.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6
Bouffier - 2:43.0

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen heading for 3rd pass
http://instagram.com/p/yHzwg-Mw6O/

[dimviii]

It is not so difficult to understand the times:

Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5
Prokop - 2:38.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6
Bouffier - 2:43.0

so Tanak isnt faster till now?
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/6138452511.png

[wwbroe]

It is not so difficult to understand the times:

Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5
Prokop - 2:38.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6
Bouffier - 2:43.0

So, top-time for Tanak is not correct?

[PLuto]

As you can see, everybody is working from non-official sources. I am not in Gap, I am sitting at home in Zlin. So I cannot say it is 100% sure. But it looks like Tänak's best time is wrong.

[EstWRC]

No it is right :p

[wwbroe]

As you can see, everybody is working from non-official sources. I am not in Gap, I am sitting at home in Zlin. So I cannot say it is 100% sure. But it looks like Tänak's best time is wrong.

Me too, unfortunally i am sitting at home in Belgium, so i have to rely on several different sources.:D
I hope timing will be more accurate during the event's real stages tough.

[noel157]

Good thing it's only SD, better get the times correct tomorrow night. SIT are useless compared to Stage One Tech.

[PLuto]

I must say, that we are making times from amateur MTB DH races here and during last 15 years we had no problem with 30-seconds intervals with the timing. I am surprised this is not working on WRC. Especially with their budget...

[wwbroe]

I must say, that we are making times from amateur MTB DH races here and during last 15 years we had no problem with 30-seconds intervals with the timing. I am surprised this is not working on WRC. Especially with their budget...

It's looks like a bunch of amateurs, with their budget they should have things in order.:smash:

[tolis]

It's not ERC PLuto! :D

[dimviii]

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg
Ready for my fourth run! New "shoes" #shakedown
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74yqlQCQAA-kBc.jpg

[gorganl2000]

are there a minimum number of shakedown runs required by wrc drivers?

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421828030&v=gHY74Ntvf9I&x-yt-cl=84411374 Ogier in a (boring) hairpin.

[René]

WRC - Rally Monte Carlo - 17 h 36
Teams, notably Volkswagen, confirm confusion with times of the shakedown. http://www.autohebdo.fr/endirect-275

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2it8wNJVSYU Kubica

[EstWRC]

what a mess, i hope that they dont have it with the stage times the next days.

[noel157]

are there a minimum number of shakedown runs required by wrc drivers?

P1 and P2 crews must make a minimum of 3 passes. Anybody else can choose to run if they want.

[gorganl2000]

P1 and P2 crews must make a minimum of 3 passes. Anybody else can choose to run if they want.

thanks boss
was wondering as i saw some doing 4-5 and others doing 1-2....guess they will make up the rest soon

[dimviii]

WRC ‏@OfficialWRC
Big crowd outside of @CitroenRacing, they are waiting to catch a glimpse of this man.......... @SebastienLoeb #WRC.
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[tolis]

@dimviii: Steilto ston loris! :D

[dimviii]

@dimviii: Steilto ston loris! :D

to exw steilei idi lol

[Lundefaret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421828030&v=gHY74Ntvf9I&x-yt-cl=84411374 Ogier in a (boring) hairpin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2it8wNJVSYU Kubica

Very good filming Tommeke_B!

Here You clearly can see the difference in driving technique/approach between Kubica and Ogier, or between the regular Minimum Lowest Speed, and Nose End First.

Ogier:
Ogier is much slower in, and has exactly the momentum to turn the car enough to get it to point in the right direction (Nose End First).
He actually under-rotates a little bit, forcing him to drive a little understeered out of the corner, wich again leads to a small counter reaction - hampering his acceleration a little bit. But still: Fast AND safe!

Kubica:
Higher entry speed. Trows the car around with a lot of force acting upon it. Sideways forces still present when he starts to accelerate, wich pushes the car outwards, (towards the camera), instead of forwards.
This is a lot more risk, and a lot more tire wear.

Thanks for the films!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lights on now for next SD run... still using the traditional ones... :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B740YZEIUAA1lTu.jpg

[dimviii]

He actually under-rotates a little bit, forcing him to drive a little understeered out of the corner, wich again leads to a small counter reaction - hampering his acceleration a little bit
very right mate.Happy to see that there are people that understant what they see


. But still: Fast AND safe!


because of the above this pass wasn t fast neither safe.

[dimviii]

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[stefanvv]

Shakedown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4unAgRB5sYc

[Lord_Shaitan]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=18216&t=Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2015

Tanak's time has been canceled?

[dimviii]

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[Lord_Shaitan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2it8wNJVSYU Kubica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2it8wNJVSYU Kubica2

This one was perfect.

[PLuto]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=18216&t=Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2015

Tanak's time has been canceled?

Tanak"s time was wrong...

[Lundefaret]

very right mate.Happy to see that there are people that understant what they see

because of the above this pass wasn t fast neither safe.

Well, yes.
You must take in consideration what forces that acts upon the car, what speed the car travels, and what part of the turn it happens.

A small understeer out of a hairpin is not unsafe, because You are so slow that You could easily brake to a dead stop if required.
It will be very difficult to go off in this position, because You control the forces (or acceleration) with the throttle.
If Ogier felt he had to correct it, he could just go of the throttle a little bit, or he could have a small input on the brakes, but it was no problem so he just drove it out on understeer.

What Kubica does is much more dangerous. He doesnt brake enough before the corner, and the forces wanting the car to contionue straight on are massive. This is what results in the abrupt oversteer/rotation, and the sideways movement when he accelerates.
I have just seen another video from the same hairpin of Kubica where he actually move not only sideways, but backwards, all four wheels spinning. Not safe, not fast, and very high tire wear.

[PLuto]

Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:23.9 / 2:23.0 / 2:30.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:30.1
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9 / 2:28.6
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2 / 2:29.9
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9 / 2:28.6
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7 / 2:28.1 / 2:29.2
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5 / 2:29.4 / 2:34.9
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9 / 2:29.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4 / 2:24.9 / 2:31.7 / 2:30.8
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2 / 2:31.8 / 2:31.0
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7 / 2:26.9 / 2:27.1
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2 / 2:28.0 / 2:27.3 / 2:27.2
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9 / 2:29.2
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1 / 2:30.4 / 2:28.1 / 2:33.8
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5 / 2:29.3 / 2:29.4
Bouffier - 2:43.0 / 2:33.1 / 2:33.3 / 2:30.7 / 2:30.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6 / 2:36.8 / 2:36.0
Prokop - 2:38.1

[tommeke_B]

Very good filming Tommeke_B!


Not my filming... Thank the internet :p

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4unAgRB5sYc

[Quad]

Kubica said that Pirelli don't have enough cuts for this conditions, so not bad time at all if tires are not great

[stefanvv]

Aren't Hyundai pods bit too much? 8 on the car, 6 allowed?

[WUff1]

I suppose Bouffier´s car not working perfect, he´s much too slow, even for his speed.

[Antony Warmbold]

Shakedown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4unAgRB5sYc

In these dirty and slippy hairpins, big slides are totally useless. The fast way is go in a bit easy and clean out.

But I did BIG slides anyway for the spectators

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Sébastien Loeb_WRC ‏@Loeb_Seb1 3 λεπτάΠριν από 3 λεπτά
Night pods for final runs of shakedown, awaiting official times. #wrc #MC2015

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[stefanvv]

In these dirty and slippy hairpins, big slides are totally useless. The fast way is go in a bit easy and clean out.

But I did BIG slides anyway for the spectators

So You're right. It is only shakedown anyway, and some drivers are there purely for the fun.

[makinen_fan]

Times sorted now:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75Dh56CYAA71bc.jpg

[satukata]

Times sorted now:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75Dh56CYAA71bc.jpg

where do you get times?

[Lundefaret]

Shakedown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4unAgRB5sYc

Very good example of different driving approaches:


1) Kubica
High entry speed. Prolonged rotation of the car (change of direction happens over a long distance), and too early on the acceleration on the exit.
This leads to a very wide turn, and very low grip on the exit because he newer gets the car to squat.
He also drives a longer line than neccesary (covers more metres then he have to).
A big tell tale in this sequense is how much of a turn the next flat left is. Kubica enters this on the inside (left side), så he has to make a real change of direction.

2) Mikkelsen
This is close to perfect!
He goes straight in to the corner, and is much more consise on the rotation, flipping the car around to the attack angle he wants out of the corner. Because of his speed and line his exit is now on the inside of the exit, meaning he is pointed directly where he wants to travel, seen clearly in the next left.
He is quite deep in the corner when he aplies the throttle (he waits to the correct time), and when he accelerates the car travels almost in a completly straight line. This means that the only forces now acting on the car will be the forces he aplies trough the throttle. This way its much easier to find grip, and the car responds by squatting in the rear, a clear sign of high grip.
It could have been a little bit smoother stil on the exit, but this was VERY, VERY good!

3) Bouffier
Has the right angle in to the corner, but understeers under braking. Drives trough the corner on the front wheels when he finds grip. On the exit he has a very good line, and can apply much throttle without wheels spin.
This is really a cock up, but because of the line he travels, his acceleration is still very good.

4) Evans
Drives tha car on understeer, and is not able to get the car to point in the direction he should, so the moment of understeer lasts too long. Acceleration is hampered, and the next left also becomes a small corner.
But still a better tactic than Kubica.

5) Østberg
Is a little bit too deep in the corner when he rotates, and travels a little too far in the slowest part of the corner. His acceleration is hampered by his late/deep rotation, but still ok.

6) Neuville
Not good. What we want here is acceleration in a straightest possible line. Neuville is under rotating a little bit, and is also to early on the throttle. This pushes the car wide on the exit, and his acceleration is performed in an arc, with sideways forces acting upon the car. The next left is now a real corner. Not good.

7) Solberg
Too fast on the entry, massive understeer and overshoot, but gets a good straight line in the acceleration. He would be surprised of how much time the straight line acceleration "saved" him. But still, a cock up ;)

8) Sordo
His rotation is prolonged, and his entry somewhat wide, but he gets the car pointed straight, and his acceleration is WAY better than Neuvilles.

9) Latvala
A cross between Sordo and Mikkelsen. Not quite slow enough on the entry in the turning point, but gets the car pointed and accelerates.

10) Protasov
Surprisingly good, but to early throttle combined with a little understeer leads to exit oversteer.

11) Cherepin
Way to early on the throttle, leading him to drift wide on the exit. Feels fast inside the car, is not fast against the stop watch...

12) Bertelli
Not good.

[stefanvv]

And Ogier is going in his own way:D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnXgR-7wSIg

[satukata]

makinen_fan can you give link to sdtimes`?

[makinen_fan]

And Ogier is going in his own way:D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnXgR-7wSIg

same turn Loeb, 1st passage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9hRqSuZdk


makinen_fan can you give link to sdtimes`?

its from twitter, VW publihsed it I think

[dimviii]

and the best way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9hRqSuZdk

edit John was faster.

[PLuto]

Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:23.9 / 2:23.0 / 2:30.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:30.1
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9 / 2:28.6
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2 / 2:29.1 / 2:33.8
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9 / 2:28.6
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7 / 2:28.1 / 2:29.2
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5 / 2:29.4 / 2:34.9
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7 / 2:26.9 / 2:27.1
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9 / 2:29.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4 / 2:24.9 / 2:31.7 / 2:30.0
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2 / 2:28.6 / 2:27.3 / 2:27.2
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2 / 2:31.8 / 2:31.0
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1 / 2:30.4 / 2:28.1 / 2:33.8
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5 / 2:29.3 / 2:29.4 / 2:29.2
Bouffier - 2:43.1 / 2:33.1 / 2:33.3 / 2:30.7 / 2:30.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6 / 2:36.8 / 2:36.0
Prokop - 2:38.1 / 2:39.7 / 2:38.6 / 2:37.0
Breen - 2:44.1 / 2:39.7
Koči - 2:48.5 / 2:43.3
Lefebvre - 2:52.8 / 2:44.2

[dimviii]

SÉBASTIEN LOEB RETURNED TO THE FIA WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE BEST POSSIBLE STYLE WHEN HE WAS FASTEST IN THIS EVENING’S SHAKEDOWN AT RALLYE MONTE-CARLO.
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Loeb is the ‘Monte master’ with seven wins to his name over the unpredictable Alpine roads. Despite almost 15 months away from the WRC, the 40-year-old Frenchman was quickly back in the groove through the 3.52km Chateauvieux stage.
His first of five runs through the twisty, hairpin-lined test in a Citroen DS 3 was 0.4sec faster than team-mate Kris Meeke, and 1.1sec quicker than arch-rival Sébastien Ogier.
“It’s not a bad way to come back to WRC!” he said. “I immediately felt comfortable in the car but this won’t be an easy rally. The weather forecast looks tricky and so my low position in the road order could be an advantage or a disadvantage,” said Loeb.
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2015/monte-shakedown/page/2090--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

#0 Henry Patrick Lombard Magali Renault Mégane RS Course car
#0 Ragnotti Jean No codriver Renault Clio IV RS Course car
#0 Saby Bruno Serre Pascal Renault Mégane RS Course car

[dimviii]

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[EstWRC]

it was just a shakedown and he was one of the first ones on the road and later it was worse. he himself admitted it. speaking about Loeb.

[stefanvv]

same turn Loeb, 1st passage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9hRqSuZdk

Not so good, less spectacular. less grip out of the corner, the next left is in danger.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vq6C5akt8Y

[satukata]

I hope Loeb and Meeke can fight with VW boys tomorrow too..

[dimviii]

it was just a shakedown and he was one of the first ones on the road and later it was worse. he himself admitted it. speaking about Loeb.

yes,just a little tease to Ogier fans mate from a retired champion.
The real party starts tomorrow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice to see Craig Breen clearly fastest of the WRC-2 runners... :)

18 Breen 208 T16 2’39’7
19 Koci Fiesta R5 2’43’3
20 Lefebvre DS3 R5 2’44’2

[dimviii]

Not so good, less spectacular. less grip out of the corner, the next left is in danger.

rallies are not about spectacular,its about time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

:cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75Lc7eIgAELPEO.jpg:large

[tommeke_B]

rallies are not about spectacular,its about time.

I prefer both, but you can't find that in a hairpin. :p

[stefanvv]

:D Sordo: "Loeb began and after it was dirty. He is an intelligent man. "

[EstWRC]

:D Sordo: "Loeb began and after it was dirty. He is an intelligent man. "

yeah, thats what i also said. And i have nothing against Loeb, im rooting for him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another Shakedown for everyone at 20.00 CET ?

[stefanvv]

yeah, thats what i also said.. And i have nothing against Loeb

No one is blaming You. Me neither, neither I'm rooting for Ogier, just having fun.

[EstWRC]

but if tomorrow the conditions are the same as today on shakedown then Loeb has a huge disadvantage because of his starting pos.

[dimviii]

like the new colors
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B75O_d1IUAAvCyb.jpg

[stefanvv]

but if tomorrow the conditions are the same as today on shakedown then Loeb has a huge disadvantage because of his starting pos.

We'll see, may be some snow is expected for tomorrow stages, if so then Ogier will be in the disadvantage. But that is Rally after all:)

[N.O.T]

monte was almost never about driving... was about conditions and choices...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks more like Wales Rally GB in the shakedown today...

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8563/15715124053_fd910f3390_b.jpg

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1601576_777893922278527_8474002067775001453_n.jpg? oh=0396be322e3f4bf2300eb1f9f838fdd1&oe=55315CF8&__gda__=1428874339_94e9bf11b8b8ee0e7b7835652ca9c9b d

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.777683008966285.1073741862.126042907463635&type=1

[denkimi]

monte was almost never about driving... was about conditions and choices...
so loeb was just lucky 7 times?

every rally is about driving, especially monte.

[N.O.T]

did i mention luck anywhere in my sentence ? are you one of the special kids of this forum as well ?

[Fly_Half]

Looks more like Wales Rally GB in the shakedown today...

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8563/15715124053_fd910f3390_b.jpg

That's what over use of the dodge/burn tool in Photoshop can do...

[tolis]

Where can we find SD times from the rest of the field?