Rallye Monte Carlo 2015

[Mariusz]

he crashed 3 times in 4 days not once...
And why is it bothering you so much? It's his way of learning the limits, not yours.

[Sukhoi]

stop the discussion about that nobody... does it matter ??

only if you have incar video with the camera at the pedal you can see what really happened...

in your place I would not tell people what to do, most probably You will receive the opposite effect.

Unless you are admin or somekind of self crowned "King" on this forum.. in that case, hats off maestro

[N.O.T]

And why is it bothering you so much? It's his way of learning the limits, not yours.

he had a lot of practise to elarn them last year... seems he enjoys finding his limits too much... rallying is not for him. It is getting dangerous.

[thuGG]

he had a lot of practise to elarn them last year... seems he enjoys finding his limits too much... rallying is not for him. It is getting dangerous.

Oh, you're going to cry or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

[N.O.T]

Oh, you're going to cry or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

no.

[danon]

Colin McRae survived many more and much biger crushes but unfortunately didn't survive an air one.
Destiny!

http://s12.postimg.org/dfuzhhu0d/M_vs_P.jpg

[Sukhoi]

and to those who have tendency to overreact

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/seriouscall.jpg

[stefanvv]

I understand irony very well, I just don't want to play along.
Many drivers crashed at Monte therefore they also created some dangerous situations, but you ignore that. You only concentrate on Kubica, why is that? If there is 20 offs in a rally then it's dangerous, but you are only concerned with one guy, that's double standards.

Already said what I wanted to say. No need to argue with walls, this could be dangerous too.....

[Mariusz]

I just don't get you guys. Some of you complain that the sport is becoming so boring with VW and Ogier winning everything, but any new driver that tries to enter into the fight gets so much negativity like if you are afraid that things may change...

[PLuto]

Why are Breen & Hirschi with VW in "event highlight day3" on wrc+. Is it because they finished?:D:D:D

468

Peugeot is not entered as manufacturer to WRC :)

[PLuto]

Hey, when I am reading yesterday and today discussion... ...we can see how fatal was Loeb's broken wheel on Friday. Instead of talks about nice battle between both Sebs last two legs were "usual" boring ones, so people has returned to "usual way" discussion about nonsense or Kubica's crashes...

[stefanvv]

I just don't get you guys. Some of you complain that the sport is becoming so boring with VW and Ogier winning everything, but any new driver that tries to enter into the fight gets so much negativity like if you are afraid that things may change...

Just for the record, I'm being very, very positive....

[stefanvv]

Peugeot is not entered as manufacturer to WRC :)

WRC? Ok, but has Skoda entered, joking....

[noel157]

nice spot the asphalt one.Watch Meeke how enters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fZC5_sRWY&feature=youtu.be



Meeke flying.
Great video but some of the places where fans are allowed is crazy, like here on a downhill square (ish) left on ice, they should be at least 20 m back up the hill :

http://i.imgur.com/dj8IjgO.jpg

[danon]

stefanvv, ever driven a rally car?


no.

The Q wasn't addressed to you, but I have another one for you - can you do a wheelie?

[EightGear]

Peugeot is not entered as manufacturer to WRC :)
So they make it a VW!? LOL. How much is VW paying to be in the VWRC?

[stefanvv]

and to those who have tendency to overreact

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/seriouscall.jpg

Internet itself is not a business. It is like the aliens - everyone talks about them, but no one really knows anything about it.

[stefanvv]

stefanvv, ever driven a rally car?

Oh, this is addressed to me? No, I haven't, I just drive normal road car.

[denkimi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=JwGOgEKbPH8&x-yt-cl=84503534
he made 4 long brake-marks on the ground, so his 4 wheels where blocked. which indicates his brakes where working.
to me it looks like he just went too fast and braked braked too late, like most of his accidents.


i once read a quote from a rally driver, i cant remember from who nor the exact formulation, but i think it was from makinen.
basically i came down to this:
"99 out of a 100 corners can be taken faster than the pacenotes tell, but its that one corner that you have to get correct."

[dimviii]

have i said again that i d like to read such answers from all drivers after all rallies?

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-01-25-kriss-twitter-debrief-rallye-monte-carlo

[dimviii]

have we seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e47dNI0zgSs

[N.O.T]

The Q wasn't addressed to you, but I have another one for you - can you do a wheelie?

only using the clutch... and up to second. cannot do a stoppie though.. locked the front last time i tried so i quit because it was expensive.

[N.O.T]

have we seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e47dNI0zgSs

Δεν εχει μυαλο και ουτε προκειτε να αποκτησει ποτε του... γελοιοτητες.

[danon]

Oh, this is addressed to me? No, I haven't, I just drive normal road car.

Thanks for the answer.

Someday I'll let you do it to get the feeling and the difference to a road car.
If you wish to!

A new spin of thinking is guaranteed.

[stefanvv]

have i said again that i d like to read such answers from all drivers after all rallies?

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-01-25-kriss-twitter-debrief-rallye-monte-carlo

Good one:

Peter Taylor (@peter8171 (http://www.twitter.com/peter8171)) asks: ‘How different does the car feel when running diagonally split tyres, studs and softs, between left-hand and right-hand corners?’It’s very strange, and difficult to explain – but bear with me! It depends how you cross them. Let’s say you have studs on the left-front and right-rear, and slicks on right-front and left-rear. If you turn into a right-hander with the studs on the outside, you’re going to get big understeer, so you always have to be aware of that. But then weirdly, you get quite good grip from the rear, because the slick is on the outside.
And then it’s the other way round on a left-hander; you’ve good turn-in but as you apply the throttle at the apex or before you’re going to get into immediate oversteer because the studded tyre can’t hold up. It does make it challenging for your brain, you have to make that calculation every time. You always have to give yourself that margin. It’s incredible challenging to drive, and that’s on a dry road; when you get mud, ice, gravel, snow, patchy ice, it can all feel different again. But generally that’s the trend. It’s one of the strengths of someone like Sebastien Loeb, who knows so well what the car’s going to do and can quickly adapt. It does take a while to get used to, and this weekend was a big learning curve because we had every condition possible.

[stefanvv]

Thanks for the answer.

Someday I'll let you do it to get the feeling and the difference to a road car.
If you wish to!

A new spin of thinking is guaranteed.

Thanks for that, but no, thank You;) Generally I think the laws of physics apply everywhere. We must have asked Mr. Einstein for the time factor perhaps, I'm sire it has some value;)

[karl59]

My opinion to RK´s last off: Robert simply braked too late.

If the pedal gets soft the driver would try to pump it, but we see no flashing brake lights or brake lights at all before it is too late.

And in the moment the brake lights flash on, the tyres are locked up immediately (all 4 tyres) but it is too late...

If Robert had tried the handbrake the rear wheels only would have locked up.

Is here somebody who has another theory?

[danon]

he had a lot of practise to elarn them last year... seems he enjoys finding his limits too much... rallying is not for him. It is getting dangerous.

the beginning is always difficult... and costly (Kubica case).
but one day... you'll do the stunts like a pro, bro - >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJAdYcXr08

Notice the front wheel!

[stefanvv]

My opinion to RK´s last off: Robert simply braked too late.

If the pedal gets soft the driver would try to pump it, but we see no flashing brake lights or brake lights at all before it is too late.

And in the moment the brake lights flash on, the tyres are locked up immediately (all 4 tyres) but it is too late...

If Robert had tried the handbrake the rear wheels only would have locked up.

Is here somebody who has another theory?

We should discuss this no more. Some people might get frustrated, loose their minds, it is not healthy You know. I sensible man could immediately see the difference between car problem, and driver problem.

[dimviii]

My opinion to RK´s last off: Robert simply braked too late.

If the pedal gets soft the driver would try to pump it, but we see no flashing brake lights or brake lights at all before it is too late.

And in the moment the brake lights flash on, the tyres are locked up immediately (all 4 tyres) but it is too late...

If Robert had tried the handbrake the rear wheels only would have locked up.

Is here somebody who has another theory?

we dont know plenty of things to have a conclusion.
such cases are not so simple to judge without know all the parameters.

[Mariusz]

he made 4 long brake-marks on the ground, so his 4 wheels where blocked. which indicates his brakes where working.
AFAIK he tried 3 things; handbrake, gear downshifting and putting the car sideways.

[giu canbera]

Its sucks to read on the internet people complaining about another VW dominance.
GO ask Ford, Hyundai and Citroen for more efforts to improve competition, not BLAME VW for an awesome combination of the best car + 3 of the best drivers.

[N.O.T]

On the bright side... with all the spares and cars Kubica will buy from Wilson this year m-sport might be able to spend some serious money to develop a proper car.

[N.O.T]

Its sucks to read on the internet people complaining about another VW dominance.
GO ask Ford, Hyundai and Citroen for more efforts to improve competition, not BLAME VW for an awesome combination of the best car + 3 of the best drivers.

Logic and common sense are not welcomed around here mister.... be careful.

[Hartusvuori]

RALLIRINKI picture gallery from Monte Carlo 2015:
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rallye+Monte+Carlo+2015/

[A FONDO]

have i said again that i d like to read such answers from all drivers after all rallies?

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-01-25-kriss-twitter-debrief-rallye-monte-carlo



You'd like to read that everybody praises your fetish object all the time? Yes, we know it.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pksi6gZ8EQQ Nice video. :)

[polo10]

Its sucks to read on the internet people complaining about another VW dominance.
GO ask Ford, Hyundai and Citroen for more efforts to improve competition, not BLAME VW for an awesome combination of the best car + 3 of the best drivers.

I also think like you and just one more thing...Citroen bring back Again Mr Loeb, this sport needs him, even if he is 40 years old, i think it would be the best promotor for this Sport, he is the only one Who can beat VW and Ogier...

[A FONDO]

I also think like you and just one more thing...Citroen bring back Again Mr Loeb, this sport needs him, even if he is 40 years old, i think it would be the best promotor for this Sport, he is the only one Who can beat VW and Ogier...

Yeah, as much as Kubica can beat him/them.... 2-3 stages and then it's over.

[COD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pksi6gZ8EQQ Nice video. :)

Yes, but why only dry tarmac action, none from snow and ice

[tommeke_B]

Yes, but why only dry tarmac action, none from snow and ice
Good question. In general the higher altitude (where you find snow and ice) the harder it is to get there. So that may be a reason. You can't get to snow and ice from the big acces roads.

[Mirek]

From my experience it's not that good idea to go for a snow spot on a stage which is 90% without snow. You can expect that they will just cruise safely through. So snow yes, it's fun but not always.

[Ucci]

Yeah, as much as Kubica can beat him/them.... 2-3 stages and then it's over.

Well, kind of agree with this statement. We must be aware, that on following events also other drivers will be much more faster and consequently threat to Loeb. Loeb is definitely the only one, who could be potentially faster on all four days of Monte (especially in conditions like previous days) against Ogier, but on other gravel events there are JML, Meeke, maybe Tanak, maybe Ostberg......it is not just game between Ogier and Loeb.

[AL14]

Well, kind of agree with this statement. We must be aware, that on following events also other drivers will be much more faster and consequently threat to Loeb. Loeb is definitely the only one, who could be potentially faster on all four days of Monte (especially in conditions like previous days) against Ogier, but on other gravel events there are JML, Meeke, maybe Tanak, maybe Ostberg......it is not just game between Ogier and Loeb.

I've liked this but I think the only one able to challenge Ogier is JML, maybe Mikkelsen on a couple of rallys, although we have to consider the new starting order this year.

[Mirek]

Monte again showed it is clearly in the drivers. Of course VW has a great car but how come that two-years retired Loeb can come and since the first stage fight for the victory while the Citroën regulars are nowhere near? Same goes to Kubica. People cry about works cars being light years faster but despite him being a kind of kamikaze he was still able to win stages on the regular basis with a private car.

[Ucci]

Monte again showed it is clearly in the drivers. Of course VW has a great car but how come that two-years retired Loeb can come and since the first stage fight for the victory while the Citroën regulars are nowhere near? Same goes to Kubica. People cry about works cars being light years faster but despite him being a kind of kamikaze he was still able to win stages on the regular basis with a private car.

Exactly my questions also !! The only logical answer could be (I repeat COULD BE!!) in the configuration of specific Monte conditions. You really can not exploit all the advantages of your (you can not drive 101% flat out..) car on these demanding and all the time changing stages (dry, wet, snow, ice, mud...).
We all know very well that for example Kubica will be totally lost on the next event Sweden, on the other hand we can expect much more from Ostberg and Tanak.....and of course JML.
If my theory is wrong, than, yes Mirek, I agree that we have some ''pussies'' in WRC circus.....and I'm not speaking here over Prokop, Bertelli, Protasov, H.Solberg....speaking of full factory contracted drivers....

[Mirek]

I don't speak about "pussies" but about few extraordinary talented guys who simply are better than others.

[N.O.T]

every year the proper wrc starts in portugal... the others are just driver/car specific events.

[Ucci]

every year the proper wrc starts in portugal... the others are just driver/car specific events.

True.....

[Ucci]

I don't speak about "pussies" but about few extraordinary talented guys who simply are better than others.

Names ??

[stefanvv]

and Mexico is heavy dependent on road position

great video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkXPi2qxnj4

[EightGear]

every year the proper wrc starts in portugal... the others are just driver/car specific events.
I guess that will be Argentina this year then?

[stefanvv]

Another great pass by Delecour @ 4:23 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xie2JLjVEUc

[Mirek]

Names ??

Ogier and Loeb. I think it's quite clear.

[mousti]

Also a nice conclusion is that the PSA R5's getting reliable.. Lefebvre, Breen, Hirschi and Giordano (big time loss I think was due to an off?) all finished!

[Ucci]

Ogier and Loeb. I think it's quite clear.

Clear....all I want to say that JML will be also part of the game during the season. And I'm not 100% sure if Mr.Loeb would be supreme (if !!) on gravel against JML.....

[bluuford]

Also a nice conclusion is that the PSA R5's getting reliable.. Lefebvre, Breen, Hirschi and Giordano (big time loss I think was due to an off?) all finished!

Kruuda retired from Arctic rally before the last stage.. He was leading the rally on that moment.. DS3R5, engine failiure.

[N.O.T]

I guess that will be Argentina this year then?

i think you can categorise argentina and mexico as special events since both are quite high up the mountains and oxygen deprived engine performance matters.

[makinen_fan]

Short one but nice:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153105277574973

[dimviii]

You'd like to read that everybody praises your fetish object all the time? Yes, we know it.

i said from all the drivers.So i dont predict praises from Mikkelsen,Ogier,Latvala,Sordo,Neuville,Kubica,Evan s,Tanak,Solberg,Prokop.

Another time you failed 101%
increase dosage to 3 pills per day.

[N.O.T]

increase dosage to 3 pills per day.

i think pills do nothing anymore... he is immune.

Imagine that you live in star trek land for 1.5 years and then suddenly the nightmare returns to haunt your dreams...

pills do nothing anymore... only patience will make the pain go away...

the hard part is over though.. 4 days of agonising suffering after 1,5 years will leave some more scars to the existing ones... but time heals everything.

[dimviii]

nice video with some nice spots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRO-NFGSDz0

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd3VD1zFees

[Kielder]

It was a great experience being in the Turini. I believe I can't add anything to what you already know. Being there watching the cars is like being in the TV playing a role of a film you have seen many times. As it's obvious, the place is magic. A place where coffee costs as much as beer has to be different:). I'll post some pics the next days.
In general, as I spoke to another fans, I found the event more strict for the spectators than seven years ago. For example, staying at the first hairpins after passing the Col was forbidden. Some people I know who flew back to Porto with me suffered long walks and saw less stages than ever.
The weather was exactly as bluuford predicted, word by word. Thanks again, mate.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZ-onUGIIU&sns=fb Not sure if already posted, some tricky place. Hard to know the point where to start braking in the fog.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azFMiXyWFHI&feature=youtu.be Duez taking the first of the series of downhill hairpins on the powerstage. :)

[stefanvv]

Not very wise spectators at the end:( - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CSdulhXclQ

[dimviii]

nice photos
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PKRFTIgAA3k27.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-564-0-39998500-1422296767.jpg

[makinen_fan]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10682209_845381665504184_2303690983091791263_o.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10915335_845381835504167_2396992921892702036_o.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Some more that I like:
https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10945710_1049176438441182_5431904163799937976_o.jp g

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/10945393_1048866145138878_4797406056565158630_o.jp g

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10931708_1049178135107679_498343591428973111_o.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallye_monte_carlo_2015/jou_15mc3.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=18216&fotograf=195

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qAZKe_YvhY

[danon]

http://s21.postimg.org/do0g8spd3/Lvw.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

i think you can categorise argentina and mexico as special events since both are quite high up the mountains and oxygen deprived engine performance matters.

Not that high.
And see these things:
http://www.owendevelopments.co.uk/uploads/products/Owen%20Developments%20Evo%20X%20Group%20A%20turbo. jpg


Those things have magic beans inside which take air and cram it into the engine....and some of the magic is if there is less at say 1500m the magic parts inside just spin around faster and it crams in more air..
Totally magic...

It was a new invention a long time ago before you were born and they put them on some of these things
http://www.aviation-history.com/republic/p47-turbo-sys-3.jpg


And sometimes gear driven and two stages
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/5685/500x400/rolls-royce-merlin-supercharger-cutaway.jpg

So that miraculously they made as much power at 9000m as at lower altitudes...

Should you want to try and read a little about how engines work and the methods for compensating for marginally less dense air at altitude you might try looking at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin

Here is another one of those things, the magic "turbochargers" things are clearly visible about mid-way in the "booms' on top..

Amazing things turbochargers if you learn a bit how they work..

Psssssst the canister on the first piccie is called the "waste gate actuator" and it has a magic thing inside it to control the speed of the magic things in the turbo....that's why altitude is, when speaking of a mere 1600-2000m , unimportant to anybody in the real world...

And heres something that was made not even 3 km from where I write.. They used 4 turbochargers, exhaust driven http://northstargallery.com/aircraft/b17/historical/10.jpg

Surprising a little that you didn't ever hear about these magic turbochargers.

[stefanvv]

it crams in more air..

The air should be the same volume, only more thinner (the oxygen which is the essential part of the combustion is much less), that lesser density is the reason the turbo to spin faster. But I'm not an expert.

[Iron]

Here are some of my pics from Monte Carlo :

http://nsa34.casimages.com/img/2015/01/27/150127095438353751.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/i/150127095438353751.jpg)

http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2015/01/27/150127095437986794.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/i/150127095437986794.jpg)

http://nsa34.casimages.com/img/2015/01/27/150127095438726702.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/i/150127095438726702.jpg)

http://nsa34.casimages.com/img/2015/01/27/150127095439188271.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/i/150127095439188271.jpg)

http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2015/01/27/15012709543983363.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/i/15012709543983363.jpg)

http://nsa34.casimages.com/img/2015/01/27/150127095438867155.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/i/150127095438867155.jpg)

I hope you enjoy ;)

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[N.O.T]

Not that high.
And see these things:
http://www.owendevelopments.co.uk/uploads/products/Owen%20Developments%20Evo%20X%20Group%20A%20turbo. jpg


Those things have magic beans inside which take air and cram it into the engine....and some of the magic is if there is less at say 1500m the magic parts inside just spin around faster and it crams in more air..
Totally magic...

It was a new invention a long time ago before you were born and they put them on some of these things
http://www.aviation-history.com/republic/p47-turbo-sys-3.jpg


And sometimes gear driven and two stages
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/5685/500x400/rolls-royce-merlin-supercharger-cutaway.jpg

So that miraculously they made as much power at 9000m as at lower altitudes...

Should you want to try and read a little about how engines work and the methods for compensating for marginally less dense air at altitude you might try looking at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin

Here is another one of those things, the magic "turbochargers" things are clearly visible about mid-way in the "booms' on top..

Amazing things turbochargers if you learn a bit how they work..

Psssssst the canister on the first piccie is called the "waste gate actuator" and it has a magic thing inside it to control the speed of the magic things in the turbo....that's why altitude is, when speaking of a mere 1600-2000m , unimportant to anybody in the real world...

And heres something that was made not even 3 km from where I write.. They used 4 turbochargers, exhaust driven http://northstargallery.com/aircraft/b17/historical/10.jpg

Surprising a little that you didn't ever hear about these magic turbochargers.

too much science... too early.

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20150125-3146-low-VW-WRC15-01-RB1-3847.jpg

[tommeke_B]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1012986_10153011208978608_7450978307815990911_n.jp g?oh=149ab13d644a42f89065bd5ddba3400c&oe=55681622

In contrary to the promotor, some attention for all categories in autonews (Belgian autosport magazine specialized in rallying). :)

[WUff1]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1012986_10153011208978608_7450978307815990911_n.jp g?oh=149ab13d644a42f89065bd5ddba3400c&oe=55681622

In contrary to the promotor, some attention for all categories in autonews (Belgian autosport magazine specialized in rallying). :)

Prevot is Belgian, that´s the reason ;-)

[tommeke_B]

Prevot is Belgian, that´s the reason ;-)

No it's not, maybe part of the reason to be on the cover, but not the reason why the magazine pays attention to all classes. In general some 1/3 of reports from WRC events are about WRC2/3 and JWRC. Also from ERC there is some attention to JERC and production cup.

[Jarek Z]

Have you seen this?
http://www.wewantkubica.pl/

[Mirek]

Sorry to ask such a question but I was out for the whole rally. Is it true that Kubica was ignored by official WRC media?

[Francis44]

Sorry to ask such a question but I was out for the whole rally. Is it true that Kubica was ignored by official WRC media?

I think he was only out off the daily results board. In the coverage he was shown many times and on stage end reports interviewed aswell.

[Mirek]

I think he was only out off the daily results board.

I can see he was 66th after day 1, 30th after day 2, 17th after day 3 and retired after day 4. Therefore it is normal if he was not shown in top 10.


In the coverage he was shown many times and on stage end reports interviewed aswell.

Than I don't understand what the fuss is about...

[tommeke_B]

He has been in coverage indeed, also live. On thursday night and sunday morning on live stages he had as much attention as anyone else. It's quite idiotic to complain, you can't expect him to have more attention than the people in the lead. Maybe he could have scored more attention if he had a consistent drive and good finish...

[stefanvv]

30th after day 2, 17th after day 3

Exactly. There seem to be overreact by fans, as usual perhaps. He won some stages, ok it was noted in daily coverage, but didn't change the overall leader board.

[thuGG]

I can see he was 66th after day 1, 30th after day 2, 17th after day 3 and retired after day 4. Therefore it is normal if he was not shown in top 10.



Than I don't understand what the fuss is about...

WRC has some stages summary during the rally, he was ignored in these for example on friday when he won 3 of them. That was when the fuss began.

[Jarek Z]

So he was shown in the official footage? Then I don't get this action at all...

Just to make it clear - I don't watch the official footage, I find Internet and YouTube better, so I don't know who was shown and who was not.

[thuGG]

On live coverage he was shown. During stage summaries he was ignored, they didn't even show stage results. That was the beginning of it.

[N.O.T]

the car spent more time in the service park than the stages... was normal not to have any footage of him.

[thuGG]

I'm talking about this videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5gx2RVvZco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoiku9rz-eY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MZoWmXBbM

He won almost half of these stages (from 1 to 10) and they didn't mention that.

[Francis44]

I'm talking about this videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5gx2RVvZco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoiku9rz-eY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MZoWmXBbM

He won almost half of these stages (from 1 to 10) and they didn't mention that.

I had not seen any of those summaries, however I have seen the daily highlights both on WRC+ and Motors TV and I saw him many times. So the fans are mad just becuse he wasn't shown in 3-4 minute clips on Youtube?! Ok then.

[thuGG]

I think yes, that is it. But it's really strange that they make official videos dedicated to specific stages and they ignore winners of this stages.

All in all I think that was a bit unfair from them, but fans overreacted.

[stefanvv]

I'm talking about this videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5gx2RVvZco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoiku9rz-eY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MZoWmXBbM

He won almost half of these stages (from 1 to 10) and they didn't mention that.

Half of these summaries are busy with Loeb. Now I'm frustrated too:D

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-2-0-50592700-1422345515.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/429986mc201560.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/961491IMG6119.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/240745IMG6147.jpg

[marcosg]

Hi.

I would like to ask for the help of polish friends to help me understand what Gerber said about Kubica.

I've tried Google Translator but it's not good enough to clearly understand what is said.

Thanks in advance...


Gerber:

Długo biłem się z myślami, czy coś naskrobać a propos ostatniego rajdowego weekendu Roberta Kubicy i Maciek Szczepaniak, ponieważ za każdym razem gdy się odzywam, zostaję posadzony o zazdrość, lub podsyłają mi maść na ból tylniej części ciała. Otóż tak nie jest. Mam duży sentyment do RK, a z Mackiem staram się być w stałym kontakcie, i wspierać go w trakcie rajdu. Wiem, jak mi tego brakowało, być daleko od domu. Ale nie o tym ta rozprawka.
To co Robert z Mackiem zrobili na Monte Carlo to kolejny przełom. To gigantyczny krok na ich drodze do zwycięstwa. Wiem jak ciężko pracowali nad tym aby tak szybko jechać, bo sam miałem okazję ciężko z Robertem pracować. A potem widziałem jakie efekty ta praca mu przynosi. Pamiętam oesy z Mille MIglia, pamiętam wynik na Du Var, pamiętam też gorzkie momenty, jak awaria na 1 oesie Monte, kiedy po wielotygodniowych przygotowaniach auto przejechało 1,5 km oesowego. Dla świata rajdowego to normalne iż przygotowania niejednokrotnie są cięższe od rajdu, ale dla komentujących pieniaczy , zjadaczy białego chlebka z 2-letnim służbowym Focusem pod blokiem, przejechanie 50-cio kilometrowego oesu, w zmiennych warunkach (błoto, śnieg, lód, asfalt) i wygranie go z kierowcami którzy jechali Monte 10 raz, to łatwizna, podobna do wyjścia z psem na spacer. Bo skąd mogą wiedzieć że na testach robi się setki, tysiące kilometrów, aby być przygotowanym.Robert i Maciek tego dokonali, i to nie jest ich ostatnie słowo. I każdy kto mówi, lub pisze że "Robert dobrze wypadł na rajdzie" może co najwyżej mocno ściskać kierownicę swojego Focusa, i to pewnie jedną ręką, bo drugą ma na lewarku, kręcąc kierownicą "na pizza-mena", wciskając sprzęgło przy każdym hamowaniu. Jedynie na co takich komentujących stać to rozpędzenie się do 170 km/h na odśnieżonej autostradzie.
Jakie moralne prawo mają Ci mistrzowie kierownicy, do oceniania kogoś, kto nie kończy rajdu z powodu awarii (a nawet jeśli ma tak zwanego "offa" to przynajmniej wynikającego z rywalizacji na zawodach), którzy nie potrafią pokonać drogi do pracy bez wypadku. W 2013 roku doszło, w Polsce, do 35.000 wypadków na drogach ! A zginęło 3300 osób. Zatem jak można oceniać kogoś, kiedy samemu nie potrafi się bezpiecznie jeździć i to z prędkościami dużo niższymi niż podczas rajdu.
Dlatego też popieram to co Maciek Baran napisał. Wysyp komentujących kretynów, bez pojęcia, nie tylko o rajdach samochodowych, ale i samej jeździe samochodem ma apogeum. I nie wiem jak temu zaradzić.

[N.O.T]

who is gerber ?

[mousti]

Jakub Gerber former Co of Kubica and the one who was sitting next to him when that brutal accident happened.

[dimviii]

all nice Kubica passes from Monte in one video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=vtUd4Q-z4bM&app=desktop

[marcosg]

who is gerber ?

ex-codriver... I think he had the accident in italy with him...

[Mirek]

Gerber is very experienced Polish co-driver who happened to be the first co-driver of Kubica. He was with him during his first seasons in Italy with 2WD cars.

EDIT: My Polish isn't that good but it's quite emotional and I understand it's a reaction to something written elsewhere. Basically he says he disagrees with all the critics of Kubica and admires what Kubica achieved and recently showed on the stages of RMC. For exact translation wait for some Polish guys, from me it would be too imprecise.

[rallyfiend]

If the WRC Promoter truly didn't want to include him in there programmes for some crappy reason, why would they have put a camera in his car? He featured in the LIve programmes that he was around for, so they clearly weren't that deliberate in trying to avoid him.

Seems like the fans are angry over nothing.

[N.O.T]

These are not fans... just some nobodies who think Kubica actually worth something... once his sponsors go he is done. And i predict that to be sooner than later...

[thuGG]

These are not fans... just some nobodies who think Kubica actually worth something... once his sponsors go he is done. And i predict that to be sooner than later...

The only nobody is you. You bring nothing to this forum except some negativity, there is no value in you and your comments. No content whatsoever, only smartass replies.

Oh, I forgot, during Monte before Loeb crashed you transformed into Bieber like teenage fangirl, pissing your pants seeing your retired idol.

[N.O.T]

i must say you guessed correctly on your second sentence...

[Quad]

Easy thuGG. n|o|t is trying to bring people down to his level and then beat by experience ;)

[AL14]

N.O.T in this Forum is like Kubica in rallys.
He will never have a fair conversation which is the forum purpose like Kubica will never win a rally wich is rally's purpose
But he is funny and useful for the forum like Kubica is spectacular and useful for rally.

(Just kidding N.O.T, no offence, I'm new here but I couldn't resist to write this) :)
And everyone forgive my bad english, hope it is understandable.

[stefanvv]

bar talks, there is a thread for them

[stefanvv]

RGT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKsDHvLP-gw
more - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcGDwwRxa9Q

[Simorally86]

Some shots from my Monte! Great show this year, unfortunately was not a good idea on Saturday organize the leg in that way...
http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/83deg-rallye-monte-carlo.html

or on fb : https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.427604187393628.1073741852.253244108162971&type=1

[makinen_fan]

Ogier vs Loeb side by side comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXucy-z5Gw

[Oleksandr Klymkovych]

Loeb's crashing place for other drivers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXxvT_t6Hk

[rage82]

About Kubica and TV: I was watching the daily highlights for leg 1 including thursday and friday stages. They show only his spin on thursday night and nothing about his 3 stage wins out of 6 ss on friday. I was a little bit surprised not mentioning his results but OK it's director's decision. On highlights about 2-nd and 3-th leg he has some footage as the others drivers. So nothing special just take it easy guys and enjoy every driver in WRC.

[dimviii]

Loeb vs Ogier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oywcszBoftQ

[Mariusz]

And then "Stages 9-10 Rallye Monte Carlo 2015" material with stage 9 cancelled where Kubica won the stage 10 by a huge margin, but they were showing i.e. Sordo (nothing against him and his car is nice and colorful) driving in road mode. In my opinion this and what rage82 just wrote is what the fuss was about.

[latek]

Loeb vs Ogier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oywcszBoftQ

Great. Acceleration wise I don't see any visible difference, so VW being miles ahead of everyone is not true.

[dimviii]

http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/17/01/44/00/img_2010.jpg
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/17/01/44/00/img_2510.jpg

[thuGG]

Great. Acceleration wise I don't see any visible difference, so VW being miles ahead of everyone is not true.

Holly shit, you can tell that by looking at one 2 min video? Kudos to you.

[Atob WRC]

Hello all,

Here our video from the rally!

Hope you enjoy it!

Best regards!

ANEU MASSA TIBATS

http://youtu.be/ibVrE402yXM

[latek]

Holly shit, you can tell that by looking at one 2 min video? Kudos to you.
Engine wise I can't notice any differences and I don't think anyone can provide better proofs than such videos. There is eight heavy acceleration zones in the video and Ogier was not running away from Loeb - they were neck and neck almost all the time.

[makinen_fan]

JML out of shape:
http://www.rallye-addict.com/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-ea15-day-2/IMG_5594.jpg

[stefanvv]

Great. Acceleration wise I don't see any visible difference, so VW being miles ahead of everyone is not true.

Ogier was little sliding for fun, so the car lost little in acceleration, besides, he was just cruising at that point. Nothing is certain.

[dimviii]

Holly shit, you can tell that by looking at one 2 min video? Kudos to you.
from this video you can.There are plenty of accelerations from 20-30km/h to about 120km/h.If there was a significant difference it will be visible.

[dimviii]

Ogier was little sliding for fun, so the car lost little in acceleration, besides, he was just cruising at that point. Nothing is certain.
lol

[stefanvv]

lol

Out of curiosity what is so funny?

[stefanvv]

from this video you can.There are plenty of accelerations from 20-30km/h to about 120km/h.If there was a significant difference it will be visible.

Is Your brain a speed gun?:D

[dimviii]

watch at 4,00 and after 5,50 limiter at 6th gear!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibVrE402yXM&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

Out of curiosity what is so funny?

your post.

[JTGANG]

Hello all,

Here our video from the rally!

Hope you enjoy it!

Best regards!

ANEU MASSA TIBATS

http://youtu.be/ibVrE402yXM

Nice video specially the place of straight to easy right at around 06:00

[MartijnS]

Yes, great spot there!

[makinen_fan]

watch at 4,00 and after 5,50 limiter at 6th gear!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibVrE402yXM&feature=youtu.be

interesting that only Citroen hit the limiter for so long, shorter gearbox?

[COD]

Walter Röhrl is afraid Kubica will hurt himself badly with his style of driving, and I can understand that.
http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/robert-kubica/roehrl-besorgt-um-polen-29301084.bild.html

[dimviii]

interesting that only Citroen hit the limiter for so long, shorter gearbox?

probably yes.

[stefanvv]

your post.

So, GOgier wasn't sliding a little more than necessary, or has not been cruising on this stage (btw it is SS14 FYI)? Which one is funny? Both?

[Quad]

Walter Röhrl is afraid Kubica will hurt himself badly with his style of driving, and I can understand that.
http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/robert-kubica/roehrl-besorgt-um-polen-29301084.bild.html


Do you see date of this "news" ?...

And I think it's not Walter Rohrl business what Kubica is doing to be honest.

[N.O.T]

he just said what many people believe... when you have accidents at this rate something serious will happen sooner or later...

[stefanvv]

And I think it's not Walter Rohrl business what Kubica is doing to be honest.

No, it is not, but some journalist has asked him, so he had answered. Mr. "Competence" has good (good as in relatively right) opinions. Yes, this article is 2 years old indeed, now he is in WRC, that is lot different.

[COD]

The article might be old, but his message is even more true now. He is a danger for himself and spectators as well

[N.O.T]

The main problem with kubica is that he is not a good rally driver... he is a dangerous one, he cannot judge the grip levels, the braking points, nothing... he is having accidents when going flat out, when cruising and it is getting a bit out of hand. You can claim he is learning but having 3 accidents in 4 days after a year full of crashes means he is not a good learner.

[thuGG]

Hello all,

Here our video from the rally!

Hope you enjoy it!

Best regards!

ANEU MASSA TIBATS

http://youtu.be/ibVrE402yXM

That's really awesome video!! Thanks!

[Mariusz]

The main problem with kubica is that he is not a good rally driver... he is a dangerous one, he cannot judge the grip levels, the braking points, nothing... he is having accidents when going flat out, when cruising and it is getting a bit out of hand. You can claim he is learning but having 3 accidents in 4 days after a year full of crashes means he is not a good learner.
If you are so concerned do something. Repeating the same over and over here won't stop him. Don't be passive, ask FIA to ban him or anything. Then if something happens you will have a clear conscience.

[thuGG]

The main problem with kubica is that he is not a good rally driver... he is a dangerous one, he cannot judge the grip levels, the braking points, nothing... he is having accidents when going flat out, when cruising and it is getting a bit out of hand. You can claim he is learning but having 3 accidents in 4 days after a year full of crashes means he is not a good learner.

Cry some more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

[N.O.T]

If you are so concerned do something. Repeating the same over and over here won't stop him. Don't be passive, ask FIA to ban him or anything. Then if something happens you will have a clear conscience.

i cannot do that... they won't listen.

[N.O.T]

Cry some more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

LOL... nice one...

[Quad]

The article might be old, but his message is even more true now. He is a danger for himself and spectators as well

spectators are in danger of themself staying in stupid places

it's not business of anyone, what he is doing, how he is doing, if he is crashing or not


funny that people few years back were writing about Meeke that he is crashing too much and he is done, and now are praising him like crazy
or Tanak

[AL14]

I wish Kubica all the best, I think he deserves to win and achieve his goals after what happened to him and the way he has reacted. I think he is a great persone and hope he will get what he wants.

BUT

Rallys are not circuits, they are 300/400 kms long, and they last 3/4 days. You can't have that approach. His problems are not the crashes but the fact he doesn't want to learn the lesson. It's a pity. (imho)

[Mariusz]

Could you describe that approach and what are the lessons please?

[stefanvv]

Could you describe that approach and what are the lessons please?

It's being discussed many times, but good answers can be found in "Nose end first" thread. It is a good start.

EDIT: In general I think it was defined as "Risk level is too high", or something like that.

[AL14]

The lesson is not that complicated, you can't take all that risks on every inch of the road on every stage. I've liked the Makinen's quote that someone has already reported. I think it says everything.

[EightGear]

Why are most Kubica fans getting into an aggressive defensive mode all the time?

I think everyone admires Kubica's efforts and complications and want him to achieve his goals, but that doesn't mean people can't have an opinion about him. And you can't deny he's crashing a lot, can you?

No need to be defending him so franatically.

[thuGG]

Of course we can't deny it. We see it, we know that is the area he must improve badly.
Why in defense mode? If someone calls him a nobody etc, that he has no place in WRC, then yes defense mode is on, because who are they to decide others people life when in fact they didn't achieve a fraction of what he did. My approach is to live your life, and let others live too.
Or when he is called a liar (lost brakes) based on a short video.

I for one can't understand why people want him to quit, that's just cowardly approach.

[A FONDO]

Why don't YOU try to "live your life" and dont scream every time when somebody insults your hero? Would be quite simpler for everybody.

[N.O.T]

Why don't YOU try to "live your life" and dont scream every time when somebody insults your hero? Would be quite simpler for everybody.

that stands visa versa as well genius...

they say to live your life without insulting him and you say to live their lives without retaliating...

I prefer war...

[tommeke_B]

I prefer war...
No need to tell, we already know you're a real keyboard warrior... :p

[N.O.T]

i am just fighting the good fight you hippie... don't judge me.

[EightGear]

Nice comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxsXY3FnRKASR0GZZy_Jm1_g&v=oywcszBoftQ&x-yt-cl=84838260&x-yt-ts=1422327029

[COD]

spectators are in danger of themself staying in stupid places

it's not business of anyone, what he is doing, how he is doing, if he is crashing or not




funny that people few years back were writing about Meeke that he is crashing too much and he is done, and now are praising him like crazy
or Tanak

Unlike the harcore Kubica fans here might think, m posting that article doesn't mean that I wouldn't like him to succeed, quite the opposite, I hope he becomes a serious contender. I'm just afraid that he might hurt himself and the image of the sport if he continues like he does
now

[marcosg]

Hi.

I would like to ask for the help of polish friends to help me understand what Gerber said about Kubica.

I've tried Google Translator but it's not good enough to clearly understand what is said.

Thanks in advance...


Gerber:

Długo biłem się z myślami, czy coś naskrobać a propos ostatniego rajdowego weekendu Roberta Kubicy i Maciek Szczepaniak, ponieważ za każdym razem gdy się odzywam, zostaję posadzony o zazdrość, lub podsyłają mi maść na ból tylniej części ciała. Otóż tak nie jest. Mam duży sentyment do RK, a z Mackiem staram się być w stałym kontakcie, i wspierać go w trakcie rajdu. Wiem, jak mi tego brakowało, być daleko od domu. Ale nie o tym ta rozprawka.
To co Robert z Mackiem zrobili na Monte Carlo to kolejny przełom. To gigantyczny krok na ich drodze do zwycięstwa. Wiem jak ciężko pracowali nad tym aby tak szybko jechać, bo sam miałem okazję ciężko z Robertem pracować. A potem widziałem jakie efekty ta praca mu przynosi. Pamiętam oesy z Mille MIglia, pamiętam wynik na Du Var, pamiętam też gorzkie momenty, jak awaria na 1 oesie Monte, kiedy po wielotygodniowych przygotowaniach auto przejechało 1,5 km oesowego. Dla świata rajdowego to normalne iż przygotowania niejednokrotnie są cięższe od rajdu, ale dla komentujących pieniaczy , zjadaczy białego chlebka z 2-letnim służbowym Focusem pod blokiem, przejechanie 50-cio kilometrowego oesu, w zmiennych warunkach (błoto, śnieg, lód, asfalt) i wygranie go z kierowcami którzy jechali Monte 10 raz, to łatwizna, podobna do wyjścia z psem na spacer. Bo skąd mogą wiedzieć że na testach robi się setki, tysiące kilometrów, aby być przygotowanym.Robert i Maciek tego dokonali, i to nie jest ich ostatnie słowo. I każdy kto mówi, lub pisze że "Robert dobrze wypadł na rajdzie" może co najwyżej mocno ściskać kierownicę swojego Focusa, i to pewnie jedną ręką, bo drugą ma na lewarku, kręcąc kierownicą "na pizza-mena", wciskając sprzęgło przy każdym hamowaniu. Jedynie na co takich komentujących stać to rozpędzenie się do 170 km/h na odśnieżonej autostradzie.
Jakie moralne prawo mają Ci mistrzowie kierownicy, do oceniania kogoś, kto nie kończy rajdu z powodu awarii (a nawet jeśli ma tak zwanego "offa" to przynajmniej wynikającego z rywalizacji na zawodach), którzy nie potrafią pokonać drogi do pracy bez wypadku. W 2013 roku doszło, w Polsce, do 35.000 wypadków na drogach ! A zginęło 3300 osób. Zatem jak można oceniać kogoś, kiedy samemu nie potrafi się bezpiecznie jeździć i to z prędkościami dużo niższymi niż podczas rajdu.
Dlatego też popieram to co Maciek Baran napisał. Wysyp komentujących kretynów, bez pojęcia, nie tylko o rajdach samochodowych, ale i samej jeździe samochodem ma apogeum. I nie wiem jak temu zaradzić.

Any polish fans that can give a hand?

Thank you

[thuGG]

I'll try, but probably tomorrow.

[irish_tiger]

Like a Rolling Stone...

http://i57.tinypic.com/312bkeh.jpg

Didnt think these two were still friends after Italy 2000 ?

[Rallyper]

Walter Röhrl is afraid Kubica will hurt himself badly with his style of driving, and I can understand that.
http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/robert-kubica/roehrl-besorgt-um-polen-29301084.bild.html

I think Walther Röhrl should be happy he didn´t hurt himself back in the years they drove the absolute most dangerous cars that ever been driven in world rally championship. Engine +600hp and very bad handling...

[N.O.T]

I think Walther Röhrl should be happy he didn´t hurt himself back in the years they drove the absolute most dangerous cars that ever been driven in world rally championship. Engine +600hp and very bad handling...

No car is dangerous if driven within its limits... Being a rally driver is adapting your skills to the limit of the car.

[Rallyper]

No car is dangerous if driven within its limits... Being a rally driver is adapting your skills to the limit of the car.

As you weren´t born back in those days you couldn´t believe how many times they were driveing over the limits escaping it only with luck. (However Kubica shouldn´t have survived that era...)

[N.O.T]

As you weren´t born back in those days you couldn´t believe how many times they were driveing over the limits escaping it only with luck. (However Kubica shouldn´t have survived that era...)

I was born... it is just i do not respect that era that much...

and most deaths were because of bad design rather than the accident itself.

[janvanvurpa]

I think Walther Röhrl should be happy he didn´t hurt himself back in the years they drove the absolute most dangerous cars that ever been driven in world rally championship. Engine +600hp and very bad handling...

Perra perra perra, nu snackar du som ynglingar...
The quoted hp in PRESSEN dåförtiden were nowhere near 600`hp..
Maybe high 300s..last versions just over 400 THEN but never quoted vrid and who said they handled ''Bad''?

Röhl snackar skit ofta.

[janvanvurpa]

I was born... it is just i do not respect that era that much...

and most deaths were because of bad design rather than the accident itself.

I don"t know what subject you are making a career studying forever, but I know it is neither logic, rhetoric or anything mechanical, but could you explain to us how in the world you have determined that


most deaths were because of bad design rather than the accident itself

That statement says essentially "people (what?) looked at designs and had heart attacks" or blueprints were left lying around in the drafting office and people would be walking by and see the blueprints and grasp the chest cough, and keel over?

Or conversely, cars with "better designs" could be smashed into things , tear off a corner, plunge into a crowd of people crushing 3-4, but it didn't hurt them to have a 1230kg smoosh them?

Your opinion is based on what?

[janvanvurpa]

that stands visa versa as well genius...

they say to live your life without insulting him and you say to live their lives without retaliating...

I prefer war...


No little greek boy, you prefer to sit in some dark room and play a game all by yourself with a keyboard...

Didn't you tell us you have never ever competed in any kind of motorsports, anywhere, ever?
And of course you speak metaphorically.....but still, you mainly soley throw insults out.....
because your actual knowledge is as we see from the above post, pooo pooo.

[N.O.T]

Back in Finland yet ? or it is too late for that ?

[dimviii]

can somebody copy this article here?

Loeb and Ogier praise Kubica's pace http://bit.ly/1tpfW0E


http://www.toilef1.com/photos-f1/img/2015WRCMonteCarlo/FIA+World+Rally+Championship+Monte+Carlo+Day+vNs8o OVMbCsx.jpg
http://www.toilef1.com/photos-f1/img/2015WRCMonteCarlo/FIA+World+Rally+Championship+Monte+Carlo+Day+6HLKA a2_UIXx.jpg
http://www.toilef1.com/photos-f1/img/2015WRCMonteCarlo/153_LOEB_2015_RMC.jpg
http://www.toilef1.com/photos-f1/img/2015WRCMonteCarlo/FIA+World+Rally+Championship+Monte+Carlo+Day+hu9pR wJHFXnx.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallye_monte_carlo_2015/tkl_20150124-14022200.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=18216&fotograf=278

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallye_monte_carlo_2015/pfi_img_3299.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallye_monte_carlo_2015/pfi_img_2766.jpg

[Rallyper]

Frtom Autosport.com:

"World Rally champions Sebastien Ogier and Sebastien Loeb have praised Robert Kubica's speed on last week's Monte Carlo Rally.

The Polish ex-Formula 1 driver posted the second highest number of fastest times in the French Alps and stunned the WRC fraternity with his ability to come to terms with Pirelli tyres after just two days of testing.

Kubica's rally was spoiled when he went off the road on the first stage and a subsequent electrical fault forced him out on the road section back to Gap.

But after rejoining he took a string of stage wins, including topping the rally's longest stage by 33 seconds.

Ogier said: "He did a good job, he was fast in a lot of the stages and showed he is capable of the fight.

"But we all know that about Robert, he is really one of the best drivers around."

Loeb and Ogier showed the rivalry the WRC has missed

Loeb noted that Kubica was directly comparable to Ogier as they were running in similar road positions under this year's regulations, when Rally2 returnees start just before the championship leaders.

"Robert was good - I was impressed with him," said Loeb.

Robert Kubica
"He was close to Seb [Ogier] on the road and set some really good times from this position."

Kubica admitted his pace had taken him by surprise.

"If somebody had told me two or three weeks ago that I would be able to go so fast on the Monte Carlo Rally then I wouldn't have believed it," he said.

BRAKE DRAMA ENDED RALLY

His rally ended when a brake problem caused him to crash into a wall after the finish of the penultimate stage.

"That was very strange," he said.

"We had changed pads and discs at the service and, OK, there was some smoke in the first stage, but you expect this from the material.

"But then after we did the long downhill section of the stage, the pedal went to the floor.

"We had no warning , no [pad] knock-off, long pedal or anything like that.

"In the end, I could only take the handbrake to try to slow us down.""

[Rallyper]

Perra perra perra, nu snackar du som ynglingar...
The quoted hp in PRESSEN dåförtiden were nowhere near 600`hp..
Maybe high 300s..last versions just over 400 THEN but never quoted vrid and who said they handled ''Bad''?

Röhl snackar skit ofta.

Well, maybe that was quoted from the contemporary news, but they were very powerful machines, so 300hp, no way. 400+ and more should be more relevant. And suspension was still the old Bilstein type wasn´t it? Just look at Audis jumping in Finland back in 1983-85 (Btw I was there in 1983) and they jumped a couple of times after landing....

And I think too, that Röhrl talking skitsnack... (Och John - reta inte upp Dig på greken - han är bara en krydda här på forumet :)

[tommeke_B]

Doesn't matter if 400hp or 600hp. Fact is that the cars had more power than they could transfer to the road. Droogmans (former European champion who drove RS200 in '86) once said in an interview that the wheels were still spinning when he pushed full throttle in 5th gear on tarmac... Also he claimed that apart from some small flaws (like the placement of fuel tank) that the Group B cars were much safer than the Group 4 cars used some 4 years before.

But this is far off-topic... ;)

[Mariusz]

Any polish fans that can give a hand?
Thank you
Sent you a PM with the translation.

[dimviii]

why you dont post it?

[Mariusz]

Here you go:


I’ve been thinking a lot about writing something after the last rally weekend with Robert Kubica and Maciek Szczepaniak because every time I speak out I get accused of jealousy or I get sent an ointment for ass pain. Well, no, I’m not jealous. I like Robert and I try to stay in contact with Maciek and support him during rallies. I know how I missed home when I was rallying. But this is not what this essay is about.
What Robert and Maciek did at Monte Carlo is another breakthrough. This is a giant step on their road to victory. I know how hard they worked on to go that fast because I had the opportunity to work hard with Robert. And then I saw the effects this work brought him. I remember the special stages of the Mille Miglia, I remember Du Var results, I also remember the bitter moments like the failure on special stage 1 on Monte, when after many weeks of preparation the car has traveled 1.5 km of ss. To the world, it is normal that the rally preparation are often heavier than the rally, but for the bully commenters, who live a regular lives and drive a 2-year old company Ford Focus, driving a 50km special stage under varying conditions (mud, snow, ice, asphalt) and winning it with drivers who drove Monte 10 times it's just a breeze or like going out with a dog for a walk. Because they can’t know that during rally preparations you make hundreds or thousands of kilometers to be ready for a rally. And Robert and Maciek did it and this is not their last word. And anyone who says or writes that "Robert has gone (off) well on the rally" [an idiom] can at most tightly squeeze the wheel of his Ford Focus, and it's probably with one hand only, because the second one is on the gear stick while he keeps turning the wheel like a pizza delivery man and by pressing the clutch at each braking. And the only thing these commenters can do is to sprint to 170 km / h on the highway cleared of snow.
What moral rights have these champions of steering wheel to judge someone who does not finish the race due to a failure (or if Robert has an off it is at least resulting from competition he is in), who cannot make it to their work without accidents. In 2013 there were 35,000 accidents on the roads in Poland! And 3,300 people were killed. So how do you judge someone when you cannot drive safely and with speeds much lower than during a rally?
That is why I support what Maciek Baran wrote. We have an apogee of flood of moronic commenters who don’t have any understanding of not only rallies but even regular car driving. And I do not know how to remedy this.

[Rallyper]

Best I ever heard - in the RK matter I should add. More people on this forum should be ashamed reading this.

[janvanvurpa]

Best I ever heard - in the RK matter I should add. More people on this forum should be ashamed reading this.

Shame, like common sense, disappears when people have a keyboard in front of them and nobody measuring them against any standard.

[AL14]

The last 6 lines make no sense.
We have already said everything about the rest of the comment.

[N.O.T]

another one to the rescue of a hopeless situation... time will tell who is right or wrong.

[Ounin]

Every year there is only one world champion. The rest has hopelessly failed? Kubica is among the other even much more experienced established rally talents who also haven't reached their goals year after year and keep on doing that when there is a Frenchman driving a VW Polo.

[N.O.T]

I think the Kubica story is done to the death and back for monte.... there is a rally in 15 days so we can start a new episode then... maybe it will have a good ending this time.

[denkimi]

Every year there is only one world champion. The rest has hopelessly failed? Kubica is among the other even much more experienced established rally talents who also haven't reached their goals year after year and keep on doing that when there is a Frenchman driving a VW Polo.
the thing is that kubica made 18 points in 2013 while driving a wrc2 car (5 times in the top 10) , while he only made 14 driving a factory wrc car in 2014 (3 times in the top 10).

let's give him another year, but i doubt he will improve he reliability. he seems to have improved his speed, but that was never his problem.

[N.O.T]

the thing is that kubica made 18 points in 2013 while driving a wrc2 car (5 times in the top 10) , while he only made 14 driving a factory wrc car in 2014 (3 times in the top 10).

let's give him another year, but i doubt he will improve he reliability. he seems to have improved his speed, but that was never his problem.

speed was and still is his problem as well... and it will show on the other rounds.

[Ounin]

let's give him another year, but i doubt he will improve he reliability. he seems to have improved his speed, but that was never his problem.[/QUOTE]

Who are we to gave him "one" year come on, he can make his own decisions. As long as he enjoys his rallying and reaches his goals, he stay in WRC for many many years , and I hope he will do so. He is a guy who's carreer has changed dramatically and was forced to quit where he had the world champion potential. He had the balls to choose the most difficult direction in motor racing and that is changing from the circuit to the rally stages. I'm happy he is not hanging around in DTM or WTCC, would be waste of WRC flavour.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MC Historic cars look so cool ... :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8mzH6CIcAANGBf.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8mpfnuIMAAhZJe.jpg:large

[AL14]

An italian flag on something that works and win. Miss those days.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERNSRhNxX3Q

[Mariusz]

dimvii, one big "Like" for all that video stuff you post.

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERNSRhNxX3Q

Great :beer:

[dimviii]

dimvii, one big "Like" for all that video stuff you post.

Welcome mate,my pleasure to share some videos they worth to see.
Also a big thanks to all these guys they take photos and videos at each wrc round.Plenty excellent videos and well choosen spots.

[EstWRC]

Rallye Monte-Carlo 2015: Onboard SS14 Ott Tänak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_pRHKkMQUQ

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2015/post-650-0-00306200-1423066727.jpg

[lewalcindor]

While an argument is going on over "The Master" in another thread, let's just appreciate his skills before he passes his prime years*:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gK_2hGo7I


* Yes, I still consider him in his "prime" because, well, how else do you explain a 40 year old coming out of retirement and taking several stages, some by huge margins? Or having a very good chance to win outright if his collision didn't destroy the rear suspension.