Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012

[pettersolberg29]

Wow, what's up with Ketomaa? :s Really slow..

It's very rare that I'm right but I've never thought he was a top level driver and it seems I'm proven correct. Never understood why people on here said he'd be anywhere near good enough for top 4 but everyone is entitled to be wrong sometimes! He's just a 2nd or 3rd tier driver like Araujo and Wilson in my eyes.

[dimviii]

ketooma seems to suit better Dmacks than Michelins lol

[dyfi1]

Did they come off, or stop working......?

Stop working according to wrc radio.

[Gard]

Any picture of Veronica? :D

veronica engan - Google-søk (http://www.google.no/search?q=veronica+engan&hl=no&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4cN0T6atD-ni4QSSnZG8Dg&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQsAQ&biw=1226&bih=603)

[rubla]

considering how short those 2 stages have been, then times are really wide apart and lots of action has happened - it seems to me that many drivers dont really know much about driving in dark?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Ketomaa is still faster than LOEB right now!

[MikeD]

ketooma seems to suit better Dmacks than Michelins lol

Is it confirmed that he's driving on Michelins for this round?

[Barreis]

veronica engan - Google-søk (http://www.google.no/search?q=veronica+engan&hl=no&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4cN0T6atD-ni4QSSnZG8Dg&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQsAQ&biw=1226&bih=603)

Expected better but ok. Thx.

[eestlane]

veronica engan - Google-søk (http://www.google.no/search?q=veronica+engan&hl=no&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4cN0T6atD-ni4QSSnZG8Dg&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQsAQ&biw=1226&bih=603)

Haha! Nice!!

[Josti]

Is it confirmed that he's driving on Michelins for this round?

When DMACK is all over his car, I doubt he's on Michelins.

[Mirek]

considering how short those 2 stages have been, then times are really wide apart and lots of action has happened - it seems to me that many drivers dont really know much about driving in dark?

It is somehow funny how rarely they drive in the dark in WRC compared to IRC or even national events. I know it's different between asphalt and gravel but still for example in our championship almost all rounds have night stages, often whole one leg...

By the way very nice time from Paddon on SS2.

[MikeD]

When DMACK is all over his car, I doubt he's on Michelins. DMACK wanted a comparison so that's why he might drive on Michelin's

[vkangas]

I'm waiting stages in normal light conditions to decide does Ketomaa still has the speed.

Very little testing, very little experience of night stages, no gravel rally with Fiesta since NORF 2011...Let's give him one day :) .

[blissard]

Quick question: Tomorrow's road positions, are they the same as today, or will the leader be first on the road?

[vkangas]

Ketomaa IS driving on Michelin's.

[sollitt]

By the way very nice time from Paddon on SS2.very nice !

[Fide]

think leader will run in reverse order....

[Josti]

DMACK wanted a comparison so that's why he might drive on Michelin's

That makes sense, though dissapointed with his pace if that's the case. I do believe he can do way better.

[jonkka]

Quick question: Tomorrow's road positions, are they the same as today, or will the leader be first on the road?

Reversed.

[xavier]

Loeb/Elena OK

apprently ok for Loeb/Elena (health wise)

[dimviii]

Paddon 7,5 faster from Ogier at split 2

[bluuford]

So, rain arrived as expected. too bad i missed stage 2 :-) According to all data, SS4 should be the worst in terms of rain.

[N.O.T]

Quick question: Tomorrow's road positions, are they the same as today, or will the leader be first on the road?

tommorow the top 15 go in reverse order....

[Mirek]

Al Rahji surprisingly good in SS2 as well.

[dimviii]

no super rally at Portugal right?

[Adler]

Why Prokop is so slow? did he damage the car?

[pettersolberg29]

Why Prokop is so slow? did he damage the car?

The engine isn't working properly

[EightGear]

Now this is a great opportunity for Ford to get closer to Citroen... I hope they won't mess up again.

Impressed by Paddon though. Breen a bit disappointing but of course one stage doesn't say much. Let's see what happens next (and in daylight).

Edit: Al Rajhi same time as Ogier...

[Iskald]

Expected better but ok. Thx.

What? You have better looking ones by the dozen around you? I really doubt that...

[N.O.T]

Paddon almost 10 seconds faster than Ogier...nice !!

[Mirek]

Al Rahji surprisingly good in SS2 as well.

Same time as Ogier, WTF

You got it wrong!

[A.F.F.]

Unless they're vampires, light is better than darkness. :p :

Now you're mixing them with members of FIA. They're known for bloodsucking past years ;)

[sollitt]

Paddon almost 10 seconds faster than Ogier...nice !!Actually ... over 12 secs. But who's counting?

[Barreis]

What? You have better looking ones by the dozen around you? I really doubt that...

Here in Croatia we can find better hooked from the river. :D

[N.O.T]

Bad split by Solberg...

[N.O.T]

What? You have better looking ones by the dozen around you? I really doubt that...

far better...

[eib1]

Tänak 1,4s faster than Hirvonen

[N.O.T]

Solberg slower again... probably the ford management have something to do with it... we will see.

[dimviii]

Actually ... over 12 secs. But who's counting?


Ogier was counting at previous rallies.
Mikkelsen,Abbring,now Paddon.....but is just a stage lets see more stages

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen ??? no

[EuroTroll]

Tänak 1,4s faster than Hirvonen

He has done a good job today. :up:

[dimviii]

Ostberg puncture at ss3

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen ??? no

yes

[RAS007]

no super rally at Portugal right?

Let's hope not.

[N.O.T]

Solberg a bit slower at the end of ss3... Latvala is looking good.

[JRodrigues]

46. RE-START AFTER RETIREMENT / RALLY 2
46.1 GENERAL
46.1.1 Unless stated differently in the event Supplementary Regulations, a crew which has failed to
complete a section may be assumed to re-start the rally from the start of the next section following the
overnight regroup unless they confirm otherwise with the clerk of the course by completion of the form
located in the rear of the road book and lodging it with the organiser as soon as possible before the
publication of the re-start list.

If it isn't in Regulations, then they can join the rally. But I think not tomorrow, only saturday.

[eestlane]

Loeb will not restart

[mousti]

Loeb won't restart

[Mirek]

Prokop on three cylinders since the SS2.

[sollitt]

Ogier was counting at previous rallies.
Mikkelsen,Abbring,now Paddon.....but is just a stage lets see more stagesI'm not sure one snow event is "counting". Nevertheless, yes it is just one stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb 'does a Latvala' ... out on Day 1 :D

Cash in Ford boys !

[dyfi1]

Prokop on three cylinders since the SS2.

End of ss4 interview with Colin Clark, Prokop suspects it`s an electrical problem.

[N.O.T]

we will have a new championship leader after this rally...quite possibly.

But for the win anything can happen...the stages are long a puncture can change this a lot...we have to wait and see.

[focus206]

nice time by Tanak :)

[cali]

Breen with an impressive time on SS3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sebastien Loeb’s lead of the FIA World Rally Championship is under threat after the French ace went off the road approximately seven kilometres from the start of stage three of Vodafone Rally de Portugal.

Loeb was running second on the road in his Citroen DS3 WRC and posted the third fastest time on stage two. Although both he and co-driver Daniel Elena were uninjured, their car is understood to have ended up some distance from the road. It has been reported they will not restart under Rally 2 regulations on Friday.

https://p.twimg.com/ApLuJWACMAETttG.jpg

[Jajá]

Tanak times a good surprise to me, at least... the kid seems not to be bad, driving in such difficult positions as they notice on the WRC radio..

[TMorel]

Wow, I know that Loeb is against endurance rallies and wants shorter events but this is taking it a bit far.

So what should Ford do for tactics? Let Petter run with it and Jari-Matti get some solid points or let them duke it out on the stages and risk it all to Mikko, and could this be the year Hirvonens plod along consistency finally pays off??? Very early in the season but this makes a change not to be talking about Seb and Daniel waltzing away with the lead :)

[dimviii]

Sebastien Loeb’s lead of the FIA World Rally Championship is under threat after the French ace went off the road approximately seven kilometres from the start of stage three of Vodafone Rally de Portugal.

Loeb was running second on the road in his Citroen DS3 WRC and posted the third fastest time on stage two. Although both he and co-driver Daniel Elena were uninjured, their car is understood to have ended up some distance from the road. It has been reported they will not restart under Rally 2 regulations on Friday.

https://p.twimg.com/ApLuJWACMAETttG.jpg

wow strong exit!

[Mirek]

Looks like broken rollcage for Loeb:

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/526293_376033182418697_138511572837527_1236833_174 6607480_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogier??????? problems??

[bluuford]

Co-drivers side of roof is very badly damaged, hopefully everything is ok with Elena

[Potoklosis]

I would like to se Citroen managment at this moment...who was resbonsible for 1. and 2. spot....???



I think it˙s part of gambling,sometimes you make it,sometimes you F... U.

[Juha_Koo]

Just saw a photo of Loeb's car...definately roll cage damage = DNF!

[rubla]

as i understood, these 1st spots were supposed to be safe selections - if no dust, then dont lose much. but if there was dust now, then ford boys would do lots worse than citroen now.

[kolvas]

Sebastien Loeb’s lead of the FIA World Rally Championship is under threat after the French ace went off the road approximately seven kilometres from the start of stage three of Vodafone Rally de Portugal.

Loeb was running second on the road in his Citroen DS3 WRC and posted the third fastest time on stage two. Although both he and co-driver Daniel Elena were uninjured, their car is understood to have ended up some distance from the road. It has been reported they will not restart under Rally 2 regulations on Friday.

https://p.twimg.com/ApLuJWACMAETttG.jpg
That´s a bad off, the rollcage has done it´s job.

[emk]

I would like to se Citroen managment at this moment...who was resbonsible for 1. and 2. spot....???



I think it˙s part of gambling,sometimes you make it,sometimes you F... U.

????

Just wait for the times for stage four...

[Mirek]

Ricardo Moura missing?

[bluuford]

I would like to se Citroen managment at this moment...who was resbonsible for 1. and 2. spot....???



I think it˙s part of gambling,sometimes you make it,sometimes you F... U.

Wait until the stage 4, Mikko will be in the lead :-) I told that Ss4 will be the worst

[dimviii]

That´s a bad off, the rollcage has done it´s job.

really very bad off.I d like to see the incar.

[Potoklosis]

but in those places you have to take bigger risks spot 17 is much safer anyway taken

[EuroTroll]

Stage win for Ott? :bandit: :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko looks like taking time back on SS4 vs the Fords ...

[N.O.T]

I would like to se Citroen managment at this moment...who was resbonsible for 1. and 2. spot....???



I think it˙s part of gambling,sometimes you make it,sometimes you F... U.

easy answer, No ! is Loeb no matter what....No2 is Hirvonen no matter what.

[Crocone]

Nice time for Neuville.

[COD]

Wait until the stage 4, Mikko will be in the lead :-) I told that Ss4 will be the worst

Slower than Tänak don't point to that direction...

[N.O.T]

I really enjoy Tanaks progression :)

[dimviii]

Did anybody know why Ogier was slow at ss3?

[Potoklosis]

i`m talking about road runing order...
in front you are the pace maker
..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb was third overall after two stages only to hit trouble on the very next run, rolling and inflicting substantial damage to his Citroen DS3 WRC.


“They went off on a situation when the road turned on the top [on a crest], the road turned to the right and Sebastien turned to the left,” said Matton. “The pace note was good, but he didn’t follow the indication, just before the top the road was going a little bit to the left and we think he was looking more to the road and he didn’t follow the note. Sebastien said the impact was not heavy. We don’t know how many times the car rolled, but enough to make sure it won’t start tomorrow.”


Matton continued: “The cage was damaged on the top. Sometimes this can happen if the first roll is heavy, but we don’t know. Anyway, the cage is bent. This can happen, it’s the rally. We still have one car and we try to take maximum points with Mikko [Hirvonen] and try to be leading at the end of the rally.”

[dimviii]

Seems that Mikko will be first after ss4.

[JHvP]

Did anybody know why Ogier was slow at ss3?

I think he could have the same heavy rain as other crews on SS4..

[N.O.T]

Wait until the stage 4, Mikko will be in the lead :-) I told that Ss4 will be the worst

R E S P E C T !!!

Nothing more ...nothing less.

You do that as a profession ???

[N.O.T]

Latvala is losing a lot.....he doesn't want to do anything stupid i guess....and he cannot afford it as well....we will see.

[EightGear]

So, after two totally different starting positions for Ford and Citroen, we end up with Solberg, Latvala and Hirvonen within a few seconds.

[pettersolberg29]

Petter loses a lot due to slippy conditions but still leads Mikko by 2.4s.

JML losing a heapful.

edit: but gained it back!

[N.O.T]

Solberg loses 8 secnds at the end...Latvala gain a little bit....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML 5.0 lead over Mikko overnight :)

[Rallyper]

I fear that FFC (Ford Factory Circus) will be disaster this evening..

EDIT: Lightness and road position are major things in (gravel) rallies

Obviously you were wrong, mate!

[EightGear]

So, after two totally different starting positions for Ford and Citroen, we end up with Solberg, Latvala and Hirvonen within a few seconds.

5 seconds to be precise. :)

[N.O.T]

Ford 1-2 at the end of this day...but small differences...cannot wait for tommorow.

[Martin Luijk]

So Ford won. Loeb crashed down and both Latvala and Solberg are in front of Hirvonen.

[dimviii]

Paddon with strong 2nd split

[bluuford]

R E S P E C T !!!

Nothing more ...nothing less.

You do that as a profession ???

No, mostly just as a hobby.. but sometimes I need it for work as well. if it would be work only then I would not study weather maps until 2 AM in the morning.

[kolvas]

Loeb was third overall after two stages only to hit trouble on the very next run, rolling and inflicting substantial damage to his Citroen DS3 WRC.


“They went off on a situation when the road turned on the top [on a crest], the road turned to the right and Sebastien turned to the left,” said Matton. “The pace note was good, but he didn’t follow the indication, just before the top the road was going a little bit to the left and we think he was looking more to the road and he didn’t follow the note. Sebastien said the impact was not heavy. We don’t know how many times the car rolled, but enough to make sure it won’t start tomorrow.”


Matton continued: “The cage was damaged on the top. Sometimes this can happen if the first roll is heavy, but we don’t know. Anyway, the cage is bent. This can happen, it’s the rally. We still have one car and we try to take maximum points with Mikko [Hirvonen] and try to be leading at the end of the rally.”

This is why I want more nightstages, the codrivers job is more important. I´m confused that this happend Loeb and Elena

[focus206]

This time not bad for Ketomaa...

[EuroTroll]

This time not bad for Ketomaa...

Yup. Getting better.

[Mirek]

Paddon very nice time again :)

[miksu]

interesting rally so far! Well done Paddon, Tänak and Neuville has done good too.

[mousti]

No, mostly just as a hobby.. but sometimes I need it for work as well. if it would be work only then I would not study weather maps until 2 AM in the morning.
Sent your resume to MSport :D

[dimviii]

This is why I want more nightstages, the codrivers job is more important. I´m confused that this happend Loeb and Elena

they are humans too.Loeb has 2 exits at 4 rallies so far.Maybe his worst statistics in his carrier.
But thats good for championship.

[dimviii]

Paddon very nice time again :)

Ogier on charge too now

[6789]

Loeb is des not a fan of night stages now! Bring on the rally, hope for a good fight!

[DonJippo]

Loeb has 2 exits at 4 rallies so far.

I think time is up for Loeb! Neuville should take his seat!









:p

[janvanvurpa]

Loeb has gone off road...
That's it. He's totally washed up. Over the hill. May as well retire on the spot..go back to the village he came from. Take up another hobby like rings or parallel bars..
(Can you think of more really silly things to say? I'm not so good at Pub Talk)

[A FONDO]

tomorrow's headlights:


Sebastien Loeb against night stages

Sebastien Loeb has admitted the shift towards night stages in the World Rally Championship could hasten his decision to retire from the sport. The eight-time world champion has a contract with Citroen until the end of next season, but the Frenchman has a clause in the deal which would allow him to walk away at the end of 2012. FIA president Jean Todt and WRC manager Michele Mouton have pushed on in recent weeks with their vision to take the sport back to its endurance roots. But Loeb admitted he found it difficult to share their enthusiasm for change.

[rallyfiend]

tomorrow's headlights:

Yeah, but let's look at the margins that now exist from 1st to 5th.

Good drivers, but small margins. Do we really care about night stages?

Given that Jean Todt wants to push this more, aren't we just risking a situation whereby we have longer time over more days to know who's going to win?

I'd prefer a good tight sprint over 2 days under more equal situation to find out who truly is the winner.

[N.O.T]

The rally is still very long.... the one with less punctures will win... but for that to happen Hirvonen should take risks and push...if the top 3 go for preservation of the places due to team orders then it is going to be boring...

Also lets see if Ogier was just playing tonight (which i think he did) and tommorow he will drive as he can.

[Luis Pacheco]

Ricardo Moura missing?

Radiator broken.

[tfp]

tomorrow's headlights:

I like what you did there ;)

Unlucky for Loeb, good for the championship! :cool:

Errr, now please Latvala, keep it on the road, thanks ;)

[Martin Luijk]

Loeb is getting old.

Julian Porter (The Guru) on twitter:

More Loeb news. Apparently he turned left when the road went right after a crest. The pace note was correct he just turned the wrong way!

[Mirek]

tomorrow's headlights:

Have You forgotten his crazy nights stages in Wales few years a go when he was fighting for the title (if I remember some totally without lights)? One crash in the night is one crash in the night, nothing more.

By the way it was ignition coil for Prokop.

[Coach 2]

Yeah, but let's look at the margins that now exist from 1st to 5th.

Good drivers, but small margins. Do we really care about night stages?

Given that Jean Todt wants to push this more, aren't we just risking a situation whereby we have longer time over more days to know who's going to win?

I'd prefer a good tight sprint over 2 days under more equal situation to find out who truly is the winner.

Rallydriving contains many different skills, why not driving in the dark. It will again introduce notes at a higher level than what it has been in quite a few years now.
If you are afraid it is not fair, you can have a service just before dark, so all starting field from number one, begins on the next stage in full darkness.
One can of course also have this in a sprint rally.

[Coach 2]

If we include to compare drivers from the past to now. I would like to see anyone who could be able to follow Marku Alen on Finnish roads in fog at night.
I will also include chick from France in Audi on British stages in heavy rain in the dark.
Drivers of today, of course, no real experience of darkness, but that does not mean that it should not be introduced again.

[Rallyper]

If we include to compare drivers from the past to now. I would like to see anyone who could be able to follow Marku Alen on Finnish roads in fog at night.
I will also include chick from France in Audi on British stages in heavy rain in the dark.
Drivers of today, of course, no real experience of darkness, but that does not mean that it should not be introduced again.

Richard Burns, say no more.

[Sardalense]

My photos from last night:

SuperMotores | Rally, Fórmula 1, WRC (http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=279)

Today will be a very muddy day. It rained all night.

[Rallyper]

Can´t wait until second leg begins today. First sleeping all morning after one nights work at the NPP, just to wake up to the first stage later on today. Exciting!

[6789]

Should be an interesting day for sure, hope Latvala and Solberg can capitalise. Only 7.5 hours to go..

[Plan9]

Prodrive have some things still to perfect on the 01B it seems. Does anyone know what caused this mechanical fault? I can't believe they still haven't got all the gremlins out of the car...

[rubla]

From M-Sport press:
Ott: "Of course I’m not so happy with the middle stage [SS3] because we made a bit of a stupid mistake there. We forgot the lights because it was pretty light at the start of the stage and then it was getting too dark and I was thinking something is missing! "

:D :D :D

[Brother John]

I think time is up for Loeb! Neuville should take his seat!
:p

I will not say too much here and certainly not about Loeb. ;)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_490e742524.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_d0492bbb4c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_a381c9ef7c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_0bb95fe150.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_db42f4a49a.jpg

More photos from Lisboa and night stages HERE: Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=993&fseason=2012)

[A.F.F.]

Veru nice pictures Jafry :up:

[Viking]

I like the SSS recce cars :)

Fords have won all stages so far, let's see what Hirvonen can do. Still some... 400km to go!

[6789]

From Planet Marcus fb..


#WRC Rally Portugal start list Day2 Sordo, Araujo, Prokop, Oliveira, VM...full list coming soon....

[Viking]

Full start list

World Rally Championship - Results - Vodafone Rally de Portugal (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/start-lists/)

[Mirek]

Now let's wait for the weather as the second factor :)

[A FONDO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mCj3uu2aQ

Prokop's Fiesta sounds and accelerates like old Escort mk2 :D he says it was the coil (bobbin) and is already repaired. Sordo had a ruptured alternator cable. Paddon confessed his stunning time in SS2 was due to soft tyre choice. Breen had a misfire after a watersplash.

Easy 1-2 for the Fords if they dont anything extremely stupid. If Solberg make 10 seconds to Hirvonen in the first loop he will give up for sure, his frustration of unsuccesfull chasing over the years is too big.

[6789]

If Solberg make 10 seconds to Hirvonen in the first loop he will give up for sure, his frustration of unsuccesfull chasing over the years is too big.

+1 imo

In the Citroen Day 1 video Mikko sounds a little hesitant about oming out and fighting for the victory, lets see how he goes, should be interesting no doubt

http://www.citroen-wrc.com/en/

[A FONDO]

Matt performed his promise to, but in Portugal arrived plastered leg, but by the park service moved only with crutches. As it turned out, the healing process considerably delayed - and now the young Briton feared that he could not get to start until May Acropolis Rally ...
"All right, I'm really on the mend, but it turned out that the injury is more serious than I thought originally - said Wilson. - When I fell, it ripped all the ligaments, so that it will take more time that they have grown together again. "
Sam Wilson is convinced that restored by the Rally Argentina - it will be held in late April - but hurry back behind the wheel of a rally car ahead of time is going.
"The last thing I want to go to Argentina and after the race to fall back to the hospital bed - admitted Matthew. - But for Greece, I should be ready in full.
I know a person that will be very delighted to welcome his return in his home rally :D

some pics from yesterday: http://www.almrally.ru/news-command/info/7611/

[kubiczech]

Colin Clark on twitter: "Horrible morning on the Algarve. Thunder storms and heavy rain all night, conditions on stage will be very difficult"

[dimviii]

another photo of Loebs ds3.
Anynews about the weather at stages?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/portugal/loeb.jpg

[Viking]

another photo of Loebs ds3.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/portugal/loeb.jpg

I am sure Elena is happy that co driver nowadays is positioned far back and low in the car...

[vkangas]

About Loeb's crash... He is 37, does not have as good night vision as younger guys. Not saying that's affecting much but combined with maybe not optimal starting position, loose headlights and pushing to fight Fords and quite reasonable team mate is a combination that starts to make crashes possible for Loeb also.

[N.O.T]

LOL !!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!

google bernard hopkins and then we talk about sports and old age...

and of course

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Allso winter driving is hard for older people... :D

[clem126]

About Loeb's crash... He is 37, does not have as good night vision as younger guys. Not saying that's affecting much but combined with maybe not optimal starting position, loose headlights and pushing to fight Fords and quite reasonable team mate is a combination that starts to make crashes possible for Loeb also.

I'm just saying, but Loeb takes vision test every year and he got good enough vision to fly a fighter jet (where night vision is very important) so it has nothing to do with his vision or age

Plus he said on a french interview that he heard the note "right" but went left...

[Viking]

LOL !!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!


First one is good (Laughing Out Loud), on the rest you seem to stutter a lot on the "Out" bit...

[dimviii]

stage 5
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/563892_267737543314222_102597653161546_613916_1745 396958_n.jpg

[6789]

Looks very wet today - this is from Rallymedia.nl

Same pic as above ^^

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

maybe that is famous gymnastic cordination what loeb has.

[dimviii]

nice photo!
http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/03/30/120330091403473311.jpg

[6789]

^^ He would have been pissed off with the long wait. In aus when he crashed he was asking a friend if he could get a lift back to the service park in his helicopter, wasn't able to due to the excess cloud cover.

[dimviii]

@GF
lol

[N.O.T]

a repeat of 2001.... in these conditions nobody pushes... its more about avoiding stuff... and running down the order doesn't help....

[dimviii]

a repeat of 2001.... in these conditions nobody pushes... its more about avoiding stuff... and running down the order doesn't help....

they are very close to dont push, as they are.
Now is THE chance for Mikko,Jari,Petter.
Mikko is allowed to win with Seb out.
Jari to win and close the points gap with top3.Loeb presents this chance ones in a decade.
Petter to win after xxxx years.
Lets see who has the balls to fight at these circumstances with 10 only soft tyres

[dimviii]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546548_3592768175131_1151215069_3597132_867811010_ n.jpg

[bluuford]

they are very close to dont push, as they are.
Now is THE chance for Mikko,Jari,Petter.
Mikko is allowed to win with Seb out.
Jari to win and close the points gap with top3.Loeb presents this chance ones in a decade.
Petter to win after xxxx years.
Lets see who has the balls to fight at these circumstances with 10 only soft tyres

Weather conditions have improved compared to the ones visible on the pictures (previous page), currently there should be some light showers and some very heavy showers and thunderstorms are possibility for the day. But the amount of water that came down during the night and morning was huge, temperature is only around 10..15 degrees, so even if the stages escape from some showers, they should be in pretty bad conditions.
Northernmost parts of the stages got the biggest amount of rain and will get today, so, I guess the wetest will be SS7 and dryest will be the start of SS5

[6789]

they are very close to dont push, as they are.
Now is THE chance for Mikko,Jari,Petter.
Mikko is allowed to win with Seb out.
Jari to win and close the points gap with top3.Loeb presents this chance ones in a decade.
Petter to win after xxxx years.
Lets see who has the balls to fight at these circumstances with 10 only soft tyres

Will be interesting for JML since Colin Clark said he used softs on the first run through Shakedown

[dyfi1]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/546548_3592768175131_1151215069_3597132_867811010_ n.jpg


Looks like Sweet Lamb stage on WRGB!

[dimviii]

Araujo already on problems again

edit they changed his split from +45 to +27 now :mad:

[Rallyper]

what caused Loebs crash is from my point of view the total loss of practise driving in darkness and, which is important, combined to the pressure that was on Citroen due to their less good position yesterday evening.

[grugsticles]

On a different tack...

George Donaldson commentating on WRR? Gee, isnt that just massively below what this guy deserves?
I mean, the guy obviously is what can be classed as an expert in world rallying, but surely being on radio is such an insult to his professional career IMO.

Why isnt he working with Prodrive atm?

[Viking]

About Loeb's crash... He is 37, does not have as good night vision as younger guys.

If he turned left when he was told to turn right it is more of an rookie mistake, he should get the "Latvala treatment" from forumers :D

[Luis Pacheco]

Araujo already on problems again

edit they changed his split from +45 to +27 now :mad:

His problem is always the same...

[A FONDO]

Sordo is on rage! approx 2s/km to Attuyah and Prokop, needless to speak for the others

[Mirek]

On a different tack...

George Donaldson commentating on WRR? Gee, isnt that just massively below what this guy deserves?
I mean, the guy obviously is what can be classed as an expert in world rallying, but surely being on radio is such an insult to his professional career IMO.

Why isnt he working with Prodrive atm?

George was commenting for rally radio last year as well. At least in IRC events he did. If I'm not mistaken he is not working for Prodrive but for Subaru Tecnica International (STI).

[dimviii]

Leg 1: Loeb's crash - 2012 WRC Rally Portugal - Best-of-RallyLive.com - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGwNQIY0bTM&feature=player_embedded)

[str4tos]

His problem is always the same...

yes ... he needs to start one day earlier ... to have a chance of finishing on top5 lol

[EuroTroll]

Sordo has done a real flyer. :up: First on the road, but still.

[hari]

Neuville stopped
Edit: Moving again

[Mirek]

what caused Loebs crash is from my point of view the total loss of practise driving in darkness and, which is important, combined to the pressure that was on Citroen due to their less good position yesterday evening.

I'm amazed by the number of expert analysis. Every time the same. Every single person sitting in front of PC knows perfectly what the best drivers in the world made wrong and how useless they or their teams are. It becomes really funny repeating again and again...

[A FONDO]

yes ... he needs to start one day earlier ... to have a chance of finishing on top5 lol
You mean one day later, to drive less mileage :D

[focus206]

Sordo is flying! :eek: Is it an advantage to start first today or what?

[6789]

Sea of red on the splits screen - PVM Jr said there was a 0.5 meter water splash. Tanak reported stopped

[dimviii]

I'm amazed by the number of expert analysis. Every time the same. Every single person sitting in front of PC knows perfectly what the best drivers in the world made wrong and how useless they or their teams are. It becomes really funny repeating again and again...

The most funny is that Loeb explained the reason.

[Adler]

No reason to think Loeb would not still be the best, i am sure he will proove it.

I am wondering if Petter will be allowed to win, if both (Jari and him) make no mistakes?!

[Brother John]

what caused Loebs crash is from my point of view the total loss of practise driving in darkness and, which is important, combined to the pressure that was on Citroen due to their less good position yesterday evening.

My point of view is that Loeb is spoiled for 8 years, driving during business hours with a long pause. :rolleyes:

[6789]

Mikko down 24 sec at second split - wow!

[bluuford]

Tänak is stopped on the second junction of the stage.

[miksu]

Wonder whats going on with Neuville... stopped again. maybe some mechanical problem

[dimviii]

Mikko down 24 sec at second split - wow!

spin?

[6789]

Paddon stopped :(

[EightGear]

Paddon stopped as well now. It continues where we left off yesterday evening....

[6789]

spin?
+39 to Sordo at third split - road must be really bad i guess

[miksu]

Mikko will give up the fight after this stage...

[dimviii]

Mikko down 24 sec at second split - wow!

he starts after Tanak,maybe Tanak block the road?

[logic]

Never saw this much red splits !!

[dimviii]

Mikko still lose a lot...

[DonJippo]

Tänak is stopped on the second junction of the stage.

He is off on the junction.

[6789]

he starts after Tanak,maybe Tanak block the road?

Maybe hey

Solberg quickest out of top three at 2nd split. Amazing stage!

[bluuford]

Paddon stopped :(

Paddon is stopped on the first junction.. Tänak on the next junction and Neuville a few km before the next split

[A FONDO]

I'm amazed by the number of expert analysis. Every time the same. Every single person sitting in front of PC knows perfectly what the best drivers in the world made wrong and how useless they or their teams are. It becomes really funny repeating again and again...
If you cant analyse it its your problem, not everyone is at your brain level. This is a fan forum and people wont stop discussing just because some gloomy antisocial nobody will disagree.

[miksu]

Latvala is loosing too, so maybe road is in horrible shape. Lets see

[EightGear]

Solberg is flying.

[focus206]

Petter is taking much time from Mikko and Jari-Matti...

[miksu]

Or is it a matter of tyre choise, perhaps thats why Mikko and JM are loosing?

[dimviii]

Breen stoped to....what a disaster rally.....

[Hartusvuori]

Latvala 35s down on Sordo on 3rd split...

[6789]

Latvala is loosing too, so maybe road is in horrible shape. Lets see
Everyone has reported bad conditions!

Breen stopped as well

[logic]

Or is it a matter of tyre choise, perhaps thats why Mikko and JM are loosing?

Was heard saying JML used a set of softs in the shakedown .

[Josti]

Also Ogier stopped.

[6789]

Mikko down 1:15 to Sordo on final split!

[Psycho!]

Was heard saying JML used a set of softs in the shakedown .

He wouldn't use the used one,he has 9 more sets...

[DonJippo]

If you cant analyse it its your problem, not everyone is at your brain level. This is a fan forum and people wont stop discussing just because some gloomy antisocial nobody will disagree.

What a stupid moronic post! Mirek is one of the most respected forum members here and one who actually knows what he is talking about. You are just one of those who come here for a while and are soon gone for good.

[focus206]

I guess Sordo is going to gain a lot in the next stages too, right?

[dimviii]

Ogier stopped!!! @GF lolololol

[Mintexmemory]

I guess Sordo is going to gain a lot in the next stages too, right?

But not enough, sadly.

[bluuford]

I guess Sordo is going to gain a lot in the next stages too, right?

Yes, Sordo is going to win this rally:-)

[Tom206wrc]

CRAZY CONDITIONS for a rally !!!! :crazy: :eek: :s

[miksu]

I guess Sordo is going to gain a lot in the next stages too, right?

Probably, thanks to his starting position

[6789]

Mikko drops the F-bomb hahah

[Viking]

What a stupid moronic post! Mirek is one of the most respected forum members here and one who actually knows what he is talking about. You are just one of those who come here for a while and are soon gone for good.

I usually can't see SlowSon posts, thank you for reminding me why!

[Bartek]

never seen something like this, vamos Dani ! :)

[6789]

Solberg had off - lost 8-10 seconds - Wow!

[EuroTroll]

Latvala stopped! :(

[miksu]

Jm stopped???

[Bartek]

Latvala off!!

[hari]

latvala stopped

[6789]

Latvala stopped??? What!

[EightGear]

Latvala off the road!!!!!!!!

[dimviii]

Sordo ss5 see the condition mates!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722149123905

[Viking]

Same ol, same ol....

[logic]

Jeeze JML

[Dug83]

JML off.....

[Bartek]

Tanak off road | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722178288905) > Video from Tanak off

[6789]

Such a shame for JML.. Again :(

[Josti]

Oh Jari...

[Hartusvuori]

Tanak off road | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722178288905) > Video from Tanak off

This is about the only fast thing at the moment.

[Hartusvuori]

JML off the road 2Km from end of stage. No car damage. No spectarors in the area!! #wrc (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23wrc) #rallydeportugal (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23rallydeportugal)

Quinn's tweet.
https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23rallydeportugal

[Mintexmemory]

Oh Jari...

If this keeps up 7 of the top 10 will be on Rally 2 come Sunday!

[N.O.T]

Crazy man... just craaaaaazy.....

[bluuford]

Jari is stopped 1.05 km from the end

[focus206]

Oh God, I can't believe it... Jari-Matti :(

[EuroTroll]

I wonder what will happen at the 2nd pass of these stages. :)

[A FONDO]

Sordo ss5 see the condition mates!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722149123905
Tanak gone off on the same corner, no idea HOW
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722178288905

[blissard]

Petter will win this rally if he only stays on the road.

[N.O.T]

Latvala is plain stupid... simple as that...

[miksu]

JM's going to need a shrink, poor guy

[N.O.T]

Petter will win this rally if he only stays on the road.

still a lot to go... do not be so hasty...

[andyone]

Latvala is plain stupid... simple as that...
i do love this dude. but i really agree with you he is damn stupid. im soo mad. why does he have to be like that.

[grugsticles]

Petter will win this rally if he only stays on the road.

Hopefully he's smart enough to realise just that!

Shattered about Jari :(

[Mauri A]

What a stupid moronic post! Mirek is one of the most respected forum members here and one who actually knows what he is talking about. You are just one of those who come here for a while and are soon gone for good.
Have been wondering from which holes those idiots are creeping into this forum!

[dimviii]

Tanak off road | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722178288905) > Video from Tanak off

same corner as Danis video i posted earlier,strange as is a slow corner,but car position seems that he had exit from previous corner?

[userwave]

Oh God, I can't believe it... Jari-Matti :(

I feel bad for him, but that's rally

[6789]

I need a shrink as supporter of JML lol. Still an awesome driver to me!

[N.O.T]

I wonder what will happen at the 2nd pass of these stages. :)

probably they will be cacelled....

[Mintexmemory]

I need a shrink as supporter of JML lol. Still an awesome driver to me!

Get in the queue!!

[dimviii]

Latvala is plain stupid... simple as that...

once in a decade this chance,and he spoiled it.Latvala has the high score this year 4 rallies 3 exits

[Fide]

Petter will win this rally if he only stays on the road.

Hope God Hear you !!!!!!

[Bartek]

After what happend If Loeb could start in Rally 2 he could win a rally without driving in all stages :)

[blissard]

still a lot to go... do not be so hasty...

Ok ok... :) But this is his biggest chance in many, many years.

[N.O.T]

gloomy antisocial nobody

i am the only gloomy antisocial nobody in the forum (as in village)

[mhaba]

This is the rally Todt and Co like, enduro enough....

[N.O.T]

Ok ok... :) But this is his biggest chance in many, many years.

Indeed i really would like to see him on top of the podium again :)

[sete]

really amazing race now it shoulb fight of the second drivers of the team.
go Petter go

[logic]

This is the rally Todt and Co like, enduro enough....

Indeed , back to how rallying should be.

[Tom206wrc]

Has Sander Pärn stopped on SS5 too :confused:

[grugsticles]

This is the rally Todt and Co like, enduro enough....

Indeed.
Although its not good to hear about all the different drivers troubles etc., but god damn it certainly makes for interesting listening/watching.