Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012

[Viking]

More of the same (weather) on the 6'th is seems like...

[Bartek]

Tavira is like survival, amazing what happend to this moment

Ketomaa had problems, i think short off road

[andyone]

i need to fall in love with another driver. coz it seems there is too much dissapointment. latvala should have just taken it easy. and finish.. now 1 rally out of 4. that is soo bad.

[amilk]

JML must be 2nd driver in the team to unload from the pressure -at the end we would see less off road maybe
Petter still ok to match with Loeb
The rally still long but Ostberg's consistency already impressive( in this year)

[6789]

Solberg setting similar times as Mikko through SS6

[N.O.T]

JML must be 2nd driver in the team to unload from the pressure -at the end we would see less off road maybe
Petter still ok to match with Loeb
The rally still long but Ostberg's consistency already impressive( in this year)

the thing is peter cannot match Loeb and Latvala crashes when he tries to.... For the moment i have the impression that this is going to be another year of Loeb vs Hirvonen.

[N.O.T]

Engine problems for Ketomaa...Novikov passed him in the stage.

[logic]

Solberg setting similar times as Mikko through SS6

No need for him to push , he has a little cushion to play with , just keep him at arms length .

[dimviii]

Conditions on roads must have huge different after some passages.Now Mikko and Petter are on same speed split as Araujo.
If you want compare the 2 videos from facebook from Tanak and Dani and watch the condition of road at the tight right just front of camera.

[logic]

Seems like this has turned into the battle of the No2's

[6789]

JML hit rock and put him off the road apparently

[amilk]

we don't have yet objective comparison in this year between Loeb and Petter - if Ford will be OK it can be tight but for sure Loeb more the favorit

[Mintexmemory]

If Mads continues to take time out of MH as on SS5 he could be challenging for 2nd place by the end of the day - Norway 1-2 anyone?

[Mikkaki]

Sandell now 5!!!! :cool:

[focus206]

Petter is losing some time from Mikko at the end of the stage :\

[6789]

Petter is losing some time from Mikko at the end of the stage :\
Yeah 6 secs - hope Petter can just make it through this stage

[N.O.T]

In such conditions everything is possible...

Has the rain affected the whole rally area of just the stages of today ?

[6789]

Petter Solberg stopped FML!!!

[EightGear]

Petter stopped!

AAAAAAAAAARRGHGHGHG

[Bartek]

Solberg stop!! My god

[Luis Pacheco]

P.Solberg stoped!

[A FONDO]

Will there be day reviews by ESPN/motorstv?

[focus206]

What?!? Stopped?..... I'm speechless :(

[dimviii]

What a rally...dont like at all...

[Doug Woods]

As in 2001, Mother Nature has decided to enter the rally. Thus, we have the first real rally in over a decade. My prediction is that the top drivers and teams will be embarassed by their performance and Portugal will loose its WRC status again.

[blissard]

It was too good to last :(

[Tom206wrc]

...
go Petter go


You said ??? ;)

[logic]

Petter off now :(

[N.O.T]

Peter stopped !!!!! :(

[Josti]

As in 2001, Mother Nature has decided to enter the rally. Thus, we have the first real rally in over a decade. My prediction is that the top drivers and teams will be embarassed by their performance and Portugal will loose its WRC status again.

Or just reverse it back to the north.

[Mikkaki]

I really hope Solberg is not off. I he just would drive thorugh the rally he could have win

[focus206]

Ford had the chance to gain a lot of points from Citroen this time... what a disaster, again...

[N.O.T]

all we need now is Hirvonen out and then we let the privateers fight !!!!!!! i would like to see that :)

[amilk]

Pure Ford - they don't have any luck
Petter off road or the car stopped?

[6789]

all we need now is Hirvonen out and then we let the privateers fight !!!!!!! i would like to see that :)
Mikko wont go off, just drive in his safe mode i recon

[Bartek]

SS6 conditons : Photos de Willem Wittenberg | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=421450367870791&set=a.212696155412881.67760.100000174944928&type=1&theater)

biiiiig fog

[Mikkaki]

OFF!

[N.O.T]

Pure Ford - they don't have any luck
Petter off road or the car stopped?

luck...

wait for it.... wait for it.... wait for it....

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL

[N.O.T]

Mikko wont go off, just drive in his safe mode i recon

i said out not off...i d not like drivers going off....

[grugsticles]

Petter off stage and no help to get back on! F***!

[Mikkaki]

Now our hope is on Ostberg! Hope he fight down Mikko.

[F1boat]

Mikko wont go off, just drive in his safe mode i recon

I think so too. That's why in the end he is always the main rival to Loeb. He lacks his speed, but he is smart.

[noel157]

I bet you somebody wishes they hadn't broke their leg................Imagine?

[A FONDO]

Breen finished SS5 :)


I bet you somebody wishes they hadn't broke their leg................Imagine?
:rotflmao:

[alleskids]

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[Mintexmemory]

Mikko wont go off, just drive in his safe mode i recon

He can't because Mads will hunt him down - especially when the engine find a 'little something' after service!

[HarriK]

luck...

wait for it.... wait for it.... wait for it....

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL

Hey N O T .. TRY even to behave... or is it possible?

[Allyc85]

Ford self imploding as per normal....

[Brother John]

So you see again that modern WRC cars are not really made for real rally roads, yes and next rally is even so bad!
Well something like this you can not say here apparently.

[Mintexmemory]

With all this carnage going on who'd have thought Evgeny the mature would be in a podium position this time last year. Way to go Msr Giraudet.

[F1boat]

He can't because Mads will hunt him down - especially when the engine find a 'little something' after service!

If he tries that, he will go off like the rest... I doubt that anyone will push too hard from now on.

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Neuville on SS5 :confused:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FORD disaster - unbelievable. They should have gone for 2nd & 3rd at worst. Not worth fighting and going off. :(

[EightGear]

Hahahah Sordo: "Solberg out too?" "****ing hell!"

[dimviii]

What happened to Neuville on SS5 :confused:

when he passed from water,after that his engine started to overheat

[N.O.T]

Hey N O T .. TRY even to behave... or is it possible?

impossible... its almost a spontaneous CNS reation to comments with no value...

[Bartek]

What happened to Neuville on SS5 :confused:

engine Overheating after watersplash

[grugsticles]

LOL at Danni's language.

George: "We have lost Petter"
Danni: "F***ing Hell, oh... my apploagies!

[aykutbilir]

What happened to Neuville on SS5 :confused:

Neuville had engine overheat after a water pass. Will continue tomorrow..

[Bartek]

LOL at Danni's language.

George: "We have lost Petter"
Danni: "F***ing Hell, oh... my apploagies!

Where you heard this? :)

Ok i have

[Mirek]

So you see again that modern WRC cars are not really made for real rally roads, yes and next rally is even so bad!
Well something like this you can not say here apparently.

Almost all of them are out because of crashes not because of mechanical faults. Its not a problem of cars but in my opinion it is much more a problem of the missing endurance factor in novadays rallying. They are used to drive too fast to finish in special conditions like this when from time to time they appear (like in Argentina 2009 or which year it was when Rautenbach finished 4th with 20 minutes gap).

[6789]

LOL at Danni's language.

George: "We have lost Petter"
Danni: "F***ing Hell, oh... my apploagies!

Danni - I'm Spanish haha

[RAS007]

Petter Solberg stopped FML!!!

+1

I can't believe it. Loeb out, best chance for a victory in years. I just hope Hirvonen(Citroen) doesn't win. What a rally though!

[GF]

Ogier stopped!!! @GF lolololol

Please be more patient.

[dimviii]

Please be more patient.


sorry i can t

[clem126]

JML's car:

https://p.twimg.com/ApPGTKoCAAEO215.jpg

[amilk]

it's Tanak I think

[Mikkaki]

No thats Tänak!

[grugsticles]

JML's car:

https://p.twimg.com/ApPGTKoCAAEO215.jpg

Get down and drag it out people!!!! C'mon, theres a championship on the line!

[clem126]

You're right sorry, it's Tanak :)

[dimviii]

The Finn crashed his Fiesta RS WRC off the road close to the end of the opening stage this morning. It had been hoped that the Finn might get the car back on the road, but the police in the stage are not allowing spectators to help.

A Ford spokesman said: "Jari-Matti reported that he hit a rock in a corner, which threw him off the road. The car is at 45 degrees in a ditch and it's not going to be possible to get it back on the road. We don't know what the damage is to the suspension, or the rest of the car."

Jari-Matti Latvala forced retire from leg two in Portugal - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98472)

[6789]

Get down and drag it out people!!!! C'mon, theres a championship on the line!


Marshalls would let them tough the car hey lol

[dimviii]

Get down and drag it out people!!!! C'mon, theres a championship on the line!

car is 3-4 meters down the muddy road.Impossible to help him.

[N.O.T]

seems that conditions are not that bad on this stage... Mikko close to sordo.

[Mauri A]

As in 2001, Mother Nature has decided to enter the rally. Thus, we have the first real rally in over a decade. My prediction is that the top drivers and teams will be embarassed by their performance and Portugal will loose its WRC status again.

In the old days the problem was spectators´grazyness,now I think the organizers have chosen roads which are too risky for wet conditions.

By the way, do you still remember the 1000 Lakes 1973? You were co-driving Bob Hourihan, but unfortunately you retired. I was then the executive manager of the event.

[Mirek]

car is 3-4 meters down the muddy road.Impossible to help him.

Maybe it would be possible with so many people but in Portugal they don't let You help anyhow. Very strict marshals and police as I heard...

[Luis Pacheco]

Get down and drag it out people!!!!

No way! Armindo has to end in 10th overall.

[Barreis]

Latvala. :D

[Allyc85]

They are not too risky the drivers need to adapt, this is a massive part of rallying!

[amilk]

In the old days the problem was spectators´grazyness,now I think the organizers have chosen roads which are too risky for wet conditions.

By the way, do you still remember the 1000 Lakes 1973? You were co-driving Bob Hourihan, but unfortunately you retired. I was then the executive manager of the event.

Until the road driveable with normal rally car the question just to adapt the speed to the grip. It's still the case I think.

Ostberg loosing too much...

[grugsticles]

car is 3-4 meters down the muddy road.Impossible to help him.

The 50 odd people watching could easily get him out... if the police looked the other way.

[dimviii]

The 50 odd people watching could easily get him out... if the police looked the other way.

look again the video of Tanak. 4-5 meters down with 45-60 degrees,while in mud.In these condition is difficult to step by feet,not to push a 1300kg car.

[N.O.T]

Novikov ahead of Ostberg with a big charge on this one :D

[N.O.T]

look again the video of Tanak. 4-5 meters down with 45-60 degrees,while in mud.In these condition is difficult to step by feet,not to push a 1300kg car.

plus having 50 people in a ditch pushing a car is not exactly safe while the rally goes on.

[clem126]

Now that's latvala :

http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/13/29/61/67/54483810.jpg

[dimviii]

Novikov ahead of Ostberg with a big charge on this one :D

thats not normal,maybe some problem with Ostberg?

[Martin Luijk]

It's so slippery Ostberg even didn't mentioned he had a puncture.

[6789]

Go for victory Novikov!! lol

Bad position for JML there

[Xsara Fan]

JML

https://p.twimg.com/ApPHo5vCAAI1asn.jpg

[N.O.T]

Now that's latvala :

http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/13/29/61/67/54483810.jpg

yes it is evident that all latvala needs to get the car out of there is a few spectators...

[dimviii]

Novikov 5,5 sec in front of Ostberg overall.

[Mirek]

look again the video of Tanak. 4-5 meters down with 45-60 degrees,while in mud.In these condition is difficult to step by feet,not to push a 1300kg car.

In some countries spectators are prepared for everything - maybe if they had ropes like Hungarians or Finns they could pull the car back on the road. But sure it's hard work even for a big crowd :)

[Rallyper]

If you cant analyse it its your problem, not everyone is at your brain level. This is a fan forum and people wont stop discussing just because some gloomy antisocial nobody will disagree.

Mr Slowson regarding what´s happended Mirek´s words should be taken seriously. You look embarassing in your comments, unfortenately.

[Doug Woods]

By the way, do you still remember the 1000 Lakes 1973? You were co-driving Bob Hourihan, but unfortunately you retired. I was then the executive manager of the event.

Yes, of course. Nice to hear from you again. Hard to believe that was almost 40 years ago. Time for me to make a return visit to Finland to do some spectating at the event.

[clem126]

Another one :

http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/03/30/120330031636280290.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

+1

I can't believe it. Loeb out, best chance for a victory in years. I just hope Hirvonen(Citroen) doesn't win. What a rally though!


I say, I shout, I yell: GO MIKKOOOOOOOOO :bounce: :bounce:

[Mirek]

Mr Slowson regarding what´s happended Mirek´s words should be taken seriously. You look embarassing in your comments, unfortenately.

I think it's good to end this story. I'm sorry if I offended anyone and kiitos for all kind words. Let's forget it and enjoy future discussion :)

[Barreis]

Maybe Ostberg will win, for Veronica. :D

[COD]

Seems that these current rallydrivers are like F1 drivers these days, no idea what to do when conditiontions are something else than expected.

[Rallyper]

luck...

wait for it.... wait for it.... wait for it....

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL

The other day I put you back on my list, but now I´m not sure anymore.

Can you develop your big laugh?

[darkstar]

the ford boys are really stupid...and what a pitty for sordo he had the electronic problems, he could have won.

[Rallyper]

I think so too. That's why in the end he is always the main rival to Loeb. He lacks his speed, but he is smart.

Mikko lacks speed??? Come on. You´re a PC-expert, nothing more.

[Fide]

Maybe super rally for JML and Petter ?

[EuroTroll]

the ford boys are really stupid...and what a pitty for sordo he had the electronic problems, he could have won.

Of course, without those problems, he wouldn't have been first on the road today. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Sébastien Chardonnet toward the end of SS5(not finished) ??? :(

[EightGear]

Maybe super rally for JML and Petter ?

Yes probably. They will still score manufacturer points.

[A FONDO]

What happened to Sébastien Chardonnet toward the end of SS5(not finished) ??? :(
I can see him moving to the middle of SS6

[bluuford]

Pärn is stopped on the same place as Frisiero.
Superally is interesting choice now. Sordo was so much faster than the others. And those who superally save some soft tires for tomorrw while normal competitors must drive with hard tires.. hmm with very wet conditions.. it would make many minutes I think?

[dimviii]

Pärn is stopped on the same place as Frisiero.
Superally is interesting choice now. Sordo was so much faster than the others. And those who superally save some soft tires for tomorrw while normal competitors must drive with hard tires.. hmm with very wet conditions.. it would make many minutes I think?

right pointing about tyres!

[Xsara Fan]

Another photo JML

http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/03/30/120330031636280290.jpg

[N.O.T]

Pärn is stopped on the same place as Frisiero.
Superally is interesting choice now. Sordo was so much faster than the others. And those who superally save some soft tires for tomorrw while normal competitors must drive with hard tires.. hmm with very wet conditions.. it would make many minutes I think?

the penalties are too much for them to enter again i think...we will see.

[amilk]

Hi Mr. Meteorology Bluuford - can we expect some further rain in the region?

[dimviii]

Ford technical chief Christian Loriaux furious with Jari-Matti Latvala and Petter Solberg over crashes - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98476)

[Mitch555]

If the rain continues, maybe Solberg can come back having used less soft tyres. However it will require superhuman effort. Sordo currently 2 sec/km faster than anyone else in the field. For Solberg to catch Hirvonen he'll need to average 6 sec/km faster to get past. Maybe not, though Hirvonen could back off

[dimviii]

i am very curious to listen Malcolm inerview

[Sso]

I can only see times for 12 cars on SS7 on wrc.com, where's the rest of the field?

[Rallyper]

I guess section 4 will be cancelled. No other way to make this rally decent to the end.

[Bartek]

Drivers have problems to get into the stage, water is everywhere - this i have from crew who starting in Portugal. Road conditions are awful

[JAM]

The access to the SS7/10 is blocked. Only 12 cars passed on the first run.

The Al-Rajhi's Fiesta is stoped on a river that is part of the liasion.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Novikov in 2nd is funny!

Fords out and so is Loeb,

Rain and fog spoiling the rally.

Could we ask for anything more exciting??!!!

Cept the studio WRR, one I don't like listening to and the original crew I can't listen on iPhone! :(

[Back-N-Black]

Whats he standing around for! Just drive down the hill to you come to the road again. Gronholm did it!


Now that's latvala :

http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/13/29/61/67/54483810.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

The access to the SS7/10 is blocked. Only 12 cars passed on the first run.

The Al-Rajhi's Fiesta is stoped on a river that is part of the liasion.

Well that looks like that stage cancelled then and won't run again even if the 2nd run of the other stages goes ahead. Wonder if Ford will try to get the whole day declared void ;-)

[bluuford]

Hi Mr. Meteorology Bluuford - can we expect some further rain in the region?

Definitely not the weather for hard tires... But should be better than today. I am on a very slow wireless connection right now and cannot see the latest updates. It seems that the bad weather is little bit on the east right now but very very narrowly it can jump in very quickly and then it will be twice as bad as in the morning. Not only short showers but continious heavy rain.
Tomorrows stages got even more rain overnight but less during the day today. There have been only a few showers today (on tomorrows stages). But another front is moving in for tomorrow.. it seems

[Mintexmemory]

Whats he standing around for! Just drive down the hill to you come to the road again. Gronholm did it!


Caption - MA to JML - We've got to stop meeting like this, my wife is beginning to suspect I'm not a co-driver

[wildboar]

The little stage descriptions on wrc.com are funny. They are made by Araujo's co-driver, obviously in dry conditions:

SS5: It’s quite a long stage but that doesn’t create a big challenge apart from for the tyres.
SS6: Alcarias is very twisty but actually more narrow and again you have to be careful for the cuts and to save your tyres.
SS7: There is one small watersplash but it is completely dry.

[bt52b]

Ford technical chief Christian Loriaux furious with Jari-Matti Latvala and Petter Solberg over crashes - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98476)

Dead right too!

[A FONDO]

Whats he standing around for! Just drive down the hill to you come to the road again. Gronholm did it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbaN9bmWHoA
from 3:00 :D

[Mintexmemory]

Dead right too!

So how would Loriaux have felt if they'd tippy toed round and allowed Mikko to stroll home, and what's he gonna do about it other than non-renewal of contract at the end of the year.

[Bartek]

When Sordo must leave service to go to SS8?

[Zeropt]

yes it is evident that all latvala needs to get the car out of there is a few spectators...

I agree, unfortunately since Rali de Portugal went to Algarve spectators are confined to spectators zones and if any driver goes out of the road, even if he could continue, he stays there...

In the North of the country this wouldn`t happen !

[Back-N-Black]

Ammended:
SS5: A long stage that will be more slippy than a banana peel on a hockey rink.
SS6: Very twisty road that will seem like Bolivias "Road of Death", crawling is highly advised
SS7: The whole stage is a water splash, attach light bar and snorkel

[A FONDO]

When Sordo must leave service to go to SS8?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=276778312400858&set=a.274125715999451.66935.225782147500475&type=1&ref=nf

[dimviii]

stage 9
https://p.twimg.com/ApPSsRaCIAA1C8f.jpg

[clem126]

ES 8 :

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/551582_267836943304282_102597653161546_614175_2074 397865_n.jpg

[MartijnS]

Haha, my photo of stage 8! Still so foggy! Can't see 20 meters..

[JRodrigues]

Oh no... 2001 again :\

[Bartek]

Another big problems on liason!! Al Rajhi almost drowned car. Terrible confusion, crews don't have petrol to get back from liason

[Zeropt]

Secound loop of stages delayed 30 to 60 minutes, Craig Breen stopped in a stream of water on S. Brás de Alportel 1 and blocked the passage.

[dimviii]

H a v o c ! ! !

[Potoklosis]

i thought this was a sport for real boys...i`m wrong :confused:

[Barreis]

Caption - MA to JML - We've got to stop meeting like this, my wife is beginning to suspect I'm not a co-driver

How didn't she already with Latvala's voice and female movements?! :D

[A FONDO]

Prokop says the rally is stopped and crews are waiting further instructions!

[EightGear]

SS10 cancelled.

[Bartek]

i thought this was a sport for real boys...i`m wrong :confused:

For me is perfect, true rally, true fight not like F1 when they saw rain they stopped race, these guys are best in the world in this what they doing :)

[Mise]

yes it is evident that all latvala needs to get the car out of there is a few spectators...

in a tow truck...

[dimviii]

Julian Porter @ The_Rally_Guru
"When I got to JML After ET Went off, He Said" maybe I Should quit this sports and do something else!

[darkstar]

from ewrc.cz, sms from martin prokop:

Závod zastaven! Mnoho nehod, neprůjezdné brody a objízdné trasy zablokované kvůli nehodám. Čekáme za servisem na pokyny, možná se do hodiny pojede..." !!!

google translation:

Race stopped! Many accidents and impassable fords alternate roads blocked due to accidents. We are waiting for service to the instructions, maybe an hour to go ... "!

what happens if all 3 stages are cancelled now? will the superrallye guys get 5 minutes for those stages or wont they?

[Rallyper]

Julian Porter @ The_Rally_Guru
"When I got to JML After ET Went off, He Said" maybe I Should quit this sports and do something else!

No, he shouldn´t. He just have to have a mentor who gives him advices. Petter won´t be good enough for that, neither MW. So there´s have to someone out there to coach JML: MAybe an old finn from WRC?

[tolis]

So, Breen retired. No Rally2.

[Barreis]

If they'll stop the rally 'cos of this, it will be terrible nonsense.

[dimviii]

Rainy conditions catch out Latvala and Tanak! | Best of Rally Live (http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/en/2012/03/30/rainy-conditions-catch-out-latvala-and-tanak/)

[Barreis]

Rainy conditions catch out Latvala and Tanak! | Best of Rally Live (http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/en/2012/03/30/rainy-conditions-catch-out-latvala-and-tanak/)

It was speed not rainy conditions.

[JRodrigues]

from another forum:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-YIfixnMJM8Y/T3W_5Egog9I/AAAAAAAAIfQ/ZPi7-g725JE/s800/_2JG7741.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-620YWYjSTPI/T3XAymfmBkI/AAAAAAAAIgg/0f-zcmgW6H0/s800/_2JG7905.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-0SNqZQJgNbo/T3XA5zJUgcI/AAAAAAAAIgo/PgtucamxnFA/s800/_2JG7915.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-SV8MDXUa4YU/T3XBDrm59zI/AAAAAAAAIgw/zOvpy2uqnUA/s800/_2JG7946.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-VisERaFeze8/T3XBvpoocVI/AAAAAAAAIg4/TwX4158R7Rc/s800/_2JG7928.JPG

[Rallyper]

As you all guys must understand this mess must come to an end for today. No organizer should continue in these conditions. No way they´ll do.

Better luck tomorrow, with or without those drivers who DNF today.

[MikeD]

Another big problems on liason!! Al Rajhi almost drowned car. Terrible confusion, crews don't have petrol to get back from liason

A guy from Saudi Arabia running out of petrol? That must be the first time ever :D

[JAM]

i thought this was a sport for real boys...i`m wrong :confused:

It was, many years ago.

Since the boys with 20/22 years age started to be as good as the experienced ones, this sport started to be for boys.

From time to time appears an event tha shows to these boys that don't know nothing about rallying.

[Mauri A]

The first European Safari Rally!

[Barreis]

Every Safari had to be stopped if this will be stopped.

[N.O.T]

stupid conditions...

what about the other days ?? are they in the same condition ??

[Mauri A]

Every Safari had to be stopped if this will be stopped.

The Safari cars were made to meet local challenges, todays cars met something which was not expected.

[darkstar]

just got the info that rest of the day is cancelled.

[Tom206wrc]

:mad: :mark:

[Josti]

just got the info that rest of the day is cancelled.

From where?

Official reports say only stage 10 is cancelled.

[Jajá]

Confirmed! Rest of the day indeed cancelled... Is God (or the Rally Organizers) being nice with Fords? Rally de Portugal | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/rallydeportugal?ref=ts)

WRC.COM radio also just said that

[Gregor-y]

from another forum:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-SV8MDXUa4YU/T3XBDrm59zI/AAAAAAAAIgw/zOvpy2uqnUA/s800/_2JG7946.JPG
'Impassable Fords' indeed! Well played, Mr. Prokop. ;)

[JAM]

Yes it's cancelled.

Rally is not anymore to real man.

[ZequeArgentina]

It was, many years ago.

Since the boys with 20/22 years age started to be as good as the experienced ones, this sport started to be for boys.

From time to time appears an event tha shows to these boys that don't know nothing about rallying.

But if you see, the ones with more experience (Loeb, Solberg, Latavala)are the ones off the road!!!


With Internet-times, old type rallies would look really boring. Split times, live stages, etc would never tolerate Stiem difference of 1 minute as was the case in the past.

[darkstar]

good for solberg then. about 250km to drive and i think we can expect him to be 2-3 seconds faster per km then the guys in front of him. if he is 2 seconds/km faster in average, that would be more then 8 minutes. he could still become 4th.

[A FONDO]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[uranium]

How time shall be recalculated now? And especially curious about Rally 2?

[str4tos]

they say only stage 10 is canceled ... World Rally Championship - News - Changes made to Portugal itinerary (http://www.wrc.com/news/changes-made-to-portugal-itinerary/?fid=16409)

[Juha_Koo]

Always the same story here with the stage cancellations due to weather...

They could easily compete out there. The main point of the cancellations is that emergency apparatus couldn't move around well enough. I don't want to be trapped in a crashed car while the ambulance and fire truck with normal tyres and maybe even FWD/RWD only are stuck in a mud. Could you take the responsibility? All the cr*p about rallying not being "man" enough is utter BS, even an R2 ride in those conditions would make 80% of you sh*t your pants. Peace out, bros. :up:

[bluuford]

The Safari cars were made to meet local challenges, todays cars met something which was not expected.

I told a few days ago that it will be like in 2001. So, everyone who had proper weather report should have know what to expect. I told Kristo to by a boat for today beacuse they do not have enough proper tyres anyway, he promised to buy fins :-)

[str4tos]

Rally is not anymore to real man.

Obviously drivers nowadays are a bit girly, but don’t forget to mention these stupid tupperware cars, engineered to perfection … only on the computer simulation program :s

[dimviii]

Always the same story here with the stage cancellations due to weather...

They could easily compete out there. The main point of the cancellations is that emergency apparatus couldn't move around well enough. I don't want to be trapped in a crashed car while the ambulance and fire truck with normal tyres and maybe even FWD/RWD only are stuck in a mud. Could you take the responsibility? All the cr*p about rallying not being "man" enough is utter BS, even an R2 ride in those conditions would make 80% of you sh*t your pants. Peace out, bros. :up:

Finally somebody who can understant the situation.

[bluuford]

How time shall be recalculated now? And especially curious about Rally 2?
There will be no peanlties for cancelled stages, so the times will be like they were after stage 7

[Rallyper]

Always the same story here with the stage cancellations due to weather...

They could easily compete out there. The main point of the cancellations is that emergency apparatus couldn't move around well enough. I don't want to be trapped in a crashed car while the ambulance and fire truck with normal tyres and maybe even FWD/RWD only are stuck in a mud. Could you take the responsibility? All the cr*p about rallying not being "man" enough is utter BS, even an R2 ride in those conditions would make 80% of you sh*t your pants. Peace out, bros. :up:

Well, I agree partly. Of course there´s a safety issue, but saying that they could easily compete out there is way too much. I know you Juha haven´t been competing yourself, so I shouldn´t do statements like that in your position. It´s not easy conditions, no way. The organizer did just what they had to do and I wrote that an hour ago.

A good decision, indeed.

Now let´s hope for a nice Saturday...?

[amilk]

It was, many years ago.

Since the boys with 20/22 years age started to be as good as the experienced ones, this sport started to be for boys.

From time to time appears an event tha shows to these boys that don't know nothing about rallying.

Loeb, Latvala over 100 WRC start, Petter WRC champion.....boys like Novikov, Ostberg running fine- I'm not sure depends only on the age

[JAM]

But if you see, the ones with more experience (Loeb, Solberg, Latavala)are the ones off the road!!!


Loeb is any example? Loeb has troubles almost every time the conditions are not the usual ones. Look what he usually does on the swedish snow... boom!

Latvala is one of the young boys. With 20 years he was almost with a garantee seat on a WRC team.

Petter Solberg is from the old school, but failled.

Old style rallyes could have 1 minute diferences with internet split times & more. Look how intertesting was the stage from today. Sordo gave more than 1 minute to the leader on each stage.

[Mirek]

Loeb is any example? Loeb has troubles almost every time the conditions are not the usual ones. Look what he usually does on the swedish snow... boom!

Latvala is one of the young boys. With 20 years he was almost with a garantee seat on a WRC team.

Petter Solberg is from the old school, but failled.

Old style rallyes could have 1 minute diferences with internet split times & more. Look how intertesting was the stage from today. Sordo gave more than 1 minute to the leader on each stage.

lol, how many times Loeb won in the kingdoms of mud - Wales or Argentina?

[focus206]

Who should come back tomorrow with Rally2? Neuville yes, what about Latvala, Tanak and Solberg?

[Juha_Koo]

Well, I agree partly. Of course there´s a safety issue, but saying that they could easily compete out there is way too much. I know you Juha haven´t been competing yourself, so I shouldn´t do statements like that in your position. It´s not easy conditions, no way. The organizer did just what they had to do and I wrote that an hour ago.

Well, maybe not easily but it would be just the matter of setting your speed to the correct level with the conditions. As long as all cars can get forward, I see no problems from the competion viewpoint. Safety is though more important and therefore the limiting factor.

[dimviii]

lol, how many times Loeb won in the kingdoms of mud - Wales or Argentina?
Why you bother?haters gonna hate....

[bluuford]

Who should come back tomorrow with Rally2? Neuville yes, what about Latvala, Tanak and Solberg?
Havent seen Solbergs and Neuvilles car.. Latavala´s car was just out and seems that Tänak also just got stuck outside the road

[dimviii]

Havent seen Solbergs and Neuvilles car.. Latavala´s car was just out and seems that Tänak also just got stuck outside the road

I am not sure but Neuvilles ds3 had problem with engine after a river pass.Maybe engine is dead.or seriously damaged

[Mirek]

Neuvilles car just stopped after a water splash. I guess some problem with water in the electric systems.

[dimviii]

Tomorow start list
Neuville (DS3 WRC)
Tänak (Fiesta WRC)
Latvala (Fiesta WRC)
Sordo (Mini WRC)
P.Solberg (Fiesta WRC)
Araujo (Mini WRC)
Ketomaa (Fiesta WRC)
Kuipers (Fiesta WRC)
Van Merksteijn (DS3 WRC)
Al-Attiyah (DS3 WRC)
Prokop (Mini WRC)
Sandell (Mini WRC)
Ostberg (Fiesta WRC)
Novikov (Fiesta WRC)
Hirvonen (DS3 WRC)

[dimviii]

Jari-Matti Latvala says Portugal crash happened in appalling conditions - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98479)

[Rallyper]

Well, maybe not easily but it would be just the matter of setting your speed to the correct level with the conditions. As long as all cars can get forward, I see no problems from the competion viewpoint. Safety is though more important and therefore the limiting factor.

Safety is first, of course. Setting speed right, yes I agree. But non the less it wasn´t easy today for anyone. Riverpasses was the crucial moment and was the part that decided the decision, I think.

[dimviii]

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[bt52b]

Hard to see from the photos but is that river crossing unmanned? Surely there would have to be marshals and a some sort of tow truck/tractor stationed there, can't be that hard to get a local farmer to help out.

[bluuford]

Such river on the road is pretty good reason to cancel the stage :-) Remember that day before.. there was just dust!

[JAM]

Safety is first, of course. Setting speed right, yes I agree. But non the less it wasn´t easy today for anyone. Riverpasses was the crucial moment and was the part that decided the decision, I think.


River pass was in a liason, that stage was already cancelled.

The decision was based on the destroyed surfaces that the last cars found on the first run. On the second run they could have a lot of troubles with almost everybody, not only the last ones. The stages and also liasions had many parts completely destroyed.

But there is still another question: Emergency rescue. If an 4x4 ambulance can't run on the stage, then there's no conditions to run the stage. And here was the case.

At the beggining i made a wrong judgement of this cancelation, but now after some calls already know what really happened on the first runs.

[uranium]

So, what? Ford received +15 minutes?

[bluuford]

Are you local? Local knowledge is very often very valuable, but unfortunately not always.
This time you might prove wrong. There is high possibility that tomorrow evening will be characterised by some very light isolated rainshowers.
Then there will be very heavy rain overnight and until Friday afernoon. The weather is little bit better in the afternoon and Saturday morning. It gets worse on Saturday evening again and improves by Sunday. Also the temperature drops to only .+10..+15 degrees for all the rainy days.

I remember the event 2001 when some cars got stuck on the stages. Rapid heavy rain after drought does not go quickly into the ground. It creates some small streams, mud holes etc.

So, who manages their 10 soft tires the best? .. is the winner :-)




I value your information ofcourse, and I thank you for sharing it.

But I just dont believe it will rain that much, I just dont get that feeling from the weather. The weather changes very quickly here and for the last months forecasters have been wrong and wrong. That's perhaps why I dont "buy" there predictions as easily as I did before.

However I get the feeling that you are a bit of an expert in this area so I will believe you :D , I will take some jackets with me. However I am not 100% sure about heavy rain, not in the Algarve region I must say. It is very unlikely that we see a scenario like in 2001, very different carachter between the north and south.

I hope you took many jackets :-P

[Fide]

So, what? Ford received +15 minutes?

Guess at least Solberg should run ahead Sordo (am talking about classification, not starting order).

[bluuford]

So, what? Ford received +15 minutes?

Thanks to Sordos superb times their time loss is only: Solberg +7:35 Latvala 11:24 and Tänak 11:40
No penalties for the cancelled stages. Solberg is just 4 and half minutes behind 3rd place. So, podium is possible :-)

That should be todays final classification among top drivers:
http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=10

[Fide]

Thanks to Sordos superb times their time loss is only: Solberg +7:35 Latvala 11:24 and Tänak 11:40
No penalties for the cancelled stages. Solberg is just 4 and half minutes behind 3rd place. So, podium is possible :-)

That should be todays final classification among top drivers:
World Rally Championship - Results - Vodafone Rally de Portugal (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=10)

WEATHER conditions for tomorrow ? Could expect SS's to be Dry ? Wet ? Moody ? Flooded ?

[skarderud]

Think its 7,35 on petter and 11.24 on jml. If, they are lucky!

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Always the same story here with the stage cancellations due to weather...

They could easily compete out there. The main point of the cancellations is that emergency apparatus couldn't move around well enough. I don't want to be trapped in a crashed car while the ambulance and fire truck with normal tyres and maybe even FWD/RWD only are stuck in a mud. Could you take the responsibility? All the cr*p about rallying not being "man" enough is utter BS, even an R2 ride in those conditions would make 80% of you sh*t your pants. Peace out, bros. :up:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lztrx3jzSe1ql2o5m.gif

[ASRTmedia]

Is there posibility that Ford boss can tell to Novikov and Ostberg to slow down at the finish of rally to get Jari and Petter closer to the podium???

[skarderud]

That will happen, for sure. Maybe østberg has in contract that he is out of teamorders, don't think novikov has that in his.

[amilk]

That will happen, for sure. Maybe østberg has in contract that he is out of teamorders, don't think novikov has that in his.

It's not contractual - on the next round less renting fee / free spare parts etc.....it's happened in the past

[rallyfiend]

That will happen, for sure. Maybe østberg has in contract that he is out of teamorders, don't think novikov has that in his.

I'd be willing to bet there's nothing in anyone's contract - given that they pay Malcolm, not the other way around - but the offer of a discount off the next invoice would be offered. Or perhaps a special engine at the next event.

[JAM]

lol, how many times Loeb won in the kingdoms of mud - Wales or Argentina?

Mud in Wales is the usual one. So, no big deal to him.

Mud is not usual in Portugal. That was a good chance to teste Loeb. But he made a mistake before the mud.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

So, I'm assuming the academy boys were cancelled from running ss7? I don't see times?

[Xsara Fan]

Is there posibility that Ford boss can tell to Novikov and Ostberg to slow down at the finish of rally to get Jari and Petter closer to the podium???

Not when drivers are 2 and 3.

[JAM]

Obviously drivers nowadays are a bit girly, but don’t forget to mention these stupid tupperware cars, engineered to perfection … only on the computer simulation program :s

It's also part of the problem.

The drivers and cars are optimized to expected conditions, wich are mostly the same year by year. When things change.... Houston we have a problem!

In 2001 the condition here were so bad or even worst than today, and the retirement by offs were much less.
In 2001 we had two retirements by accident between the mais drivers during all the event. Today we had four retirements in only 15% of the event. This is an evidence, not BS

[Xsara Fan]

Tanak`s off

http://northone.sharp-stream.com/mp4/Nokia_WRC_POR12_06.mp4

[mousti]

Turning around directly would have let him stay in the rally, I think

[Rallyper]

Turning around directly would have let him stay in the rally, I think

Turning around...?? There´s to many PC-drivers on this forum.

Man, you have to deliver better comments.

[Juha_Koo]

It's also part of the problem.

The drivers and cars are optimized to expected conditions, wich are mostly the same year by year. When things change.... Houston we have a problem!

In 2001 the condition here were so bad or even worst than today, and the retirement by offs were much less.
In 2001 we had two retirements by accident between the mais drivers during all the event. Today we had four retirements in only 15% of the event. This is an evidence, not BS

LOL, you call that "evidence"?

Maybe the marginals have became smaller because of better cars? Tyres? Driving styles? Road characteristics? Mud is mud no matter what kind of car you're driving.

Just look what Mikko did back in 2008 in Argentina SS1. No problems at all. You're underestimating current drivers and machinery enormously.

[Barreis]

I'm dissapointed.

[tfp]

Julian Porter @ The_Rally_Guru
"When I got to JML After ET Went off, He Said" maybe I Should quit this sports and do something else!

ET? Who is that?

Cant believe petter and JML, I heard they got a bollocking off MW, well deserved if you ask me.

[dimviii]

Tanak`s off

http://northone.sharp-stream.com/mp4/Nokia_WRC_POR12_06.mp4


same corner as Danis video i posted earlier,strange as is a slow corner,but car position seems that he had exit from previous corner?

just like i imagine.

[dimviii]

2012 WRC Rally de Portugal Day 2 Rain Chaos - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tlDoFyxqgKs)

[mousti]

Turning around...?? There´s to many PC-drivers on this forum.

Man, you have to deliver better comments.
He went only forward to cut the hairpin and then got stuck because it's very steep there. With turning and try to get back on the same road he was driving on, who's saying that he would get stuck there?

[tfp]

2012 WRC Rally de Portugal Day 2 Rain Chaos - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tlDoFyxqgKs)

That is pretty bad...

[dimviii]

Flickr: Maxime Malet's Photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7260939@N04/)

[dimviii]

Rally de Portugal 2012 - Tavira 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IgPBKOgp94I)

[Jajá]

According to http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/Handlers/fileHandler.ashx?path=%2fResourcesUser%2fDocumento s%2fQuadro_oficial_de_afixacao%2fCoC_Decision_1.pd f&menuid=19,

there were given stage times to the competitors in SS7 (based on their SS5 and SS6 results). Results will count until SS7 for day 1. You can get the day times at World Rally Championship - Results - Vodafone Rally de Portugal (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/day-results/)

Looking at the leaderboard and analyzing the times, Ott Tanak, that will Rally 2 tomorrow, has lost 15 mins as he slid off in the first stage of the day. Breen has bravely finished SS5 with a 20 minute gap from Sordo, after lots of stops and moves. It would have been better for him if he retired after the first stop - he would lose way less time...

I think that Rally 2 regulations must be reviewed for the upcoming years....

[Xsara Fan]

ALMrally.ru photogallery

http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/foto/27807/27893.jpg

Special stages (http://www.almrally.ru/foto/?idgroup=27169)

Evgeny Novikov (http://www.almrally.ru/novikov-photo/?idgroup=27343)

[Rallyper]

He went only forward to cut the hairpin and then got stuck because it's very steep there. With turning and try to get back on the same road he was driving on, who's saying that he would get stuck there?

How can you turn in a wet green steep of maybe more than 15% angle?? tell me!

[pettersolberg29]

Colin Clark saying on Twitter that Petter only has 5 mins of Superrally, and JML 10 mins as SS7 was cancelled. This isn't correct is it?

[tolis]

Results after Day 2: World Rally Championship - Results - Vodafone Rally de Portugal (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/day-results/)

[uranium]

Colin Clark saying on Twitter that Petter only has 5 mins of Superrally, and JML 10 mins as SS7 was cancelled. This isn't correct is it?

Looks like it is correct, but it is completely unfair. Ford is lucky that three stages were cancelled.

[Barreis]

Horror regulations.

[sollitt]

Breen has bravely finished SS5 with a 20 minute gap from Sordo, after lots of stops and moves. It would have been better for him if he retired after the first stop - he would lose way less time... Yes, this is an injustice for Breen. He is now surely right out of the running. Of major interest today will be whether Paddon can chase down the SWRC cars in front.


I think that Rally 2 regulations must be reviewed for the upcoming years....Interest in Paddon's progress aside, rejoining through super-rally or other means has no place in real rallying.

[Fri]

pictures from today:
rallysport.hu - Rally de Portugal 2012 - csütörtök/péntek (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2012/photo/wrc/04_portugal/03_pentek/index.htm)

[bluuford]

Colin Clark saying on Twitter that Petter only has 5 mins of Superrally, and JML 10 mins as SS7 was cancelled. This isn't correct is it?
No, it is not correct, Petter has 10 minutes and Latvala +Tänak+Neuville each have +15 min. But the 5 minutes is added for the stage winners time on their class. So, Sordo was extremely fast and therefore Solberg loses only 7.5 minutes and Latvala around 11 minutes

[COD]

Some hingsight observations:

Hirvonen: Being slow but steady is working for his advantage for once
Latvala: No matter what the conditions, stupid mistake, cutting too much. Nothing else to it.
Tänak: Easy to say from video, but had he just braked and tried to reverse, he might have been able to get back on road with help from spectators. But, he had to make split second decision.
BIG SPECLATION: Had DMack taken big risk and taken tyres they used in Wales, who knows where Ketomaa could have been...

And: hats off to young Novikov, Östberg, Sandell and Prokov. Solid work when more experienced driver made stupid mistakes!

[pettersolberg29]

Looks like it is correct, but it is completely unfair. Ford is lucky that three stages were cancelled.

But Petter retired on SS6 so surely should get a 5 min penalty for SS6 and another 5 min for SS7. So are you saying it's true that SS7 was cancelled and therefore his 5 min penalty for that stage is wiped off?

[pettersolberg29]

No, it is not correct, Petter has 10 minutes and Latvala +Tänak+Neuville each have +15 min. But the 5 minutes is added for the stage winners time on their class. So, Sordo was extremely fast and therefore Solberg loses only 7.5 minutes and Latvala around 11 minutes

That's what I thought. Colin said,

"So Petter only picks up a 5min penalty because SS7 was also cancelled. JML penalty 10mins. Get out of jail for the Ford boys!"

and from that I picked up Petter only got a 5 min penalty for SS6 and avoided it on SS7? Is Colin being a bit slow again?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://p.twimg.com/ApQDXnZCIAEfnWp.jpg

Petter's car after being pulled from the ditch - great new livery !!

[rallye-sport]

Day 2 Photos Rallye du Portugal 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-du-portugal-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2012/mg_9797.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2012/vialatte_aurelien-15.jpg

[Jajá]

Start list for Saturday: http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/Handlers/fileHandler.ashx?path=%2fResourcesUser%2fDocumento s%2fQuadro_oficial_de_afixacao%2fStart_list_Sectio n_5.pdf&menuid=19

bluuford, what's the weather forecast like for tomorrow? :)

[mousti]

How can you turn in a wet green steep of maybe more than 15% angle?? tell me!
Can't explain it perfectly in english.

But if he don't turn to abruptly he maybe could back on the right, u never know..

[uranium]

But Petter retired on SS6 so surely should get a 5 min penalty for SS6 and another 5 min for SS7. So are you saying it's true that SS7 was cancelled and therefore his 5 min penalty for that stage is wiped off?

As it is already explained, by bluuford :


Petter has 10 minutes and Latvala +Tänak+Neuville each have +15 min. But the 5 minutes is added for the stage winners time on their class. So, Sordo was extremely fast and therefore Solberg loses only 7.5 minutes and Latvala around 11 minutes

[dimviii]

World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Christian Loriaux (http://www.wrc.com/news/qa-christian-loriaux/?fid=16414)

[uranium]

Just curious, how Dani could be so fast at the 2nd day?!

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_28b6df3b95.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_0fade67ae4.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_13d358c917.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_3b0ac27e05.jpg

More photos from rainy Friday HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=993&fseason=2012)

[bassist]

https://p.twimg.com/ApQDXnZCIAEfnWp.jpg

Petter's car after being pulled from the ditch - great new livery !!

Looks as if Both him and Jari had a right Bollucking after their indescretions. `Brain on the dashboard ` tomorrow then?????

[Coach 2]

No, it is not correct, Petter has 10 minutes and Latvala +Tänak+Neuville each have +15 min. But the 5 minutes is added for the stage winners time on their class. So, Sordo was extremely fast and therefore Solberg loses only 7.5 minutes and Latvala around 11 minutes

therefore Solberg loses only 7,5 minutes to Hirvonen and Latvala around 11 minutes to Hirvonen but 10 and 15 minutes to the fastest time on stage.

[N.O.T]

any news on the weather of tommorows stages ??

also do we have a starting list ?

[Barreis]

Maybe tommorrow they'll drive only 2 stages. :D

[dimviii]

any news on the weather of tommorows stages ??

also do we have a starting list ?

World Rally Championship - Results - Vodafone Rally de Portugal (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/start-lists/)

[Barreis]

This is all unfair to Sordo.

[dimviii]

About team orders from Ford to Novikov and Ostberg,there is a problem!
Sandell :D
If Mads and Novikov fell back automatically Sandell is 2nd :eek:
all these if they keep their positions as they are now,but i doubt it with this weather.

[Xsara Fan]

any news on the weather of tommorows stages ??

also do we have a starting list ?

I spoke with Evgeny Novikov. He said that tomorrow it`s will be raining again.

[N.O.T]

Hmmm the stages are in the same area as they were today....lets see what happens.