Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012

[N.O.T]

another crazy day tommorow... the ford team could easily climb a lot of places and be on top 6 by the end of the rally.

[pettersolberg29]

another crazy day tommorow... the ford team could easily climb a lot of places and be on top 6 by the end of the rally.

If Petter has no more issues or idiotic mistakes then he'll finish 4th at worst. he's only 4:30 behind Sandell and I'd expect him to make that up easily, especially with his road position. And I would be very surprised if both Mads and Evgeny get to the end of the rally without a problem! A podium is still very possible.

[N.O.T]

the thing is that conditions are the same for everyone so i see no reason why Latvala or solberg will not be caught again.... we will see...overall the rally is interesting but for the wrong reasons...

[bluuford]

any news on the weather of tommorows stages ??

also do we have a starting list ?

Currently many rainclouds are queueing up to go to the stages, so, the night might be very wet again

Tomorrow is a tricky thing. Maps are a bit biased here. One one hand it looks like tomorrow will be much better weather. Somehow I think it is not fully correct. I expect first stage to be better, second stage little bit more rain and third the worst.
Afternoon might be better weather, only the third stage looks bit worse again. So, I expect drivers to use their softs for morning loop and maybe hards for afternoon. (because of the rain overnight).
Sunday morning looks dry, but afternoon looks like today. So, I expect the last soft tires to be used there. But the weather changes his mind like a lady, so this (Sunday) is not very reliable yet.

[dimviii]

Rally Portugal leader Mikko Hirvonen criticises decision to cancal Rally Portugal stages due to bad weather - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98486)

[pettersolberg29]

Rally Portugal leader Mikko Hirvonen criticises decision to cancal Rally Portugal stages due to bad weather - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98486)

I had two differing opinions after reading this:

1) Good on him for wanting to challenge himself even though he's now got the most to lose. If I was in his boots I'd be delighted they were cancelled and my lead still safely intact!
2) Complete ignorance and naivety towards the other cars - yes he could probably cope in these conditions, but the R2s and locals etc were massively struggling and going as far as getting stuck in water crossings. For these guys the stages just had to be cancelled in my opinion.

[N.O.T]

they did not cancel them for the crews they cancelled them because if something happened the emergency vehicles would no reach the area in appropriate time...

was a perfect decision... this was not rallying this was stupidity and tomorrow it will be the same.

[pettersolberg29]

they did not cancel them for the crews they cancelled them because if something happened the emergency vehicles would no reach the area in appropriate time...

was a perfect decision... this was not rallying this was stupidity and tomorrow it will be the same.

I know that was the reason for the cancellation, but even without that reason, the stages were becoming literally impassable for some of the lower cars. In my view, and I may be alone here, for some cars to literally be unable to complete a stage due to high water crossings etc is absurd and the stage shouldn't count for that class. Obviously the struggles for the emergency crews mean there is an easy reason to cancel stages.

[dimviii]

Elfyn Evans rescue after crash Alcarias 1 - WRC Rally Portugal 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-PzgjpdRVQ&feature=player_embedded#)!

[tolis]

Day 1 - Part 1: WRC 2012 Portugal Day 1 - Part 1/2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq4EtJeAk0)
Day 1 - Part 2: WRC 2012 Portugal Day 1 - Part 2/2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvyIgZ2A8ps)

Don't forget that SS11 will be live here: http://www.tvdez.com/rtp

[Back-N-Black]

Can't explain it perfectly in english.

But if he don't turn to abruptly he maybe could back on the right, u never know..

I think we know what you are trying to say here, we'll never know, as he did not try it. In the video it looks too steep for sure, you would think he would try to parallel the road first and if it didn't seem like he'd make it then straight line down.

When it's like that they try not to stop the car, keep it moving, so to do that he tries going straight down. What bad luck, he goes off, runs over a pretty big rock, then runs through a ditch hitting a MUCH larger rock.

[sollitt]

I can also understand Mousti's point. It's clear that Tanak attempted to regain the road without losing momentum (and time) and unless you're in the seat you don't know what he saw. With the benefit of video, and hindsight, there was possibly an opportunity to stop soon after leaving the road and back up ... I don't know so much about 'turning'.
One thing a bit of age & experience teaches you is that once you've left the road you've already lost time. Take a few moments to get a breath, survey the scene and make the best decision. Of course if he had have regained the raod it would have been a brilliant manouevre.
It's easy from an arm chair isn't it?

[Sardalense]

My photos from yesterday:

SuperMotores | Rally, Fórmula 1, WRC (http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=280)

[janvanvurpa]

Turning around...?? There´s to many PC-drivers on this forum.

Man, you have to deliver better comments.

Va fan! You just don't know, dooooood... Here's the solution on the works cars:
http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/drivefast1971/2011-06-06_160655_1.gif

And everything is all better. eller...?

[RAS007]

Va fan! You just don't know, dooooood... Here's the solution on the works cars:
http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/drivefast1971/2011-06-06_160655_1.gif

And everything is all better. eller...?

Couldn't agree more. If i understand you correctly, you are saying that the framus intersects with the ramistan approximately at the pater noster. Right?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Great true rallying in Portugal. Real drivers manage these conditions. Rally is again RALLY.

[aykutbilir]

Some hingsight observations:

BIG SPECLATION: Had DMack taken big risk and taken tyres they used in Wales, who knows where Ketomaa could have been...


Ketooma used Michelin's for shakedown and qualification.
I'm not sure about the whole race.

[TyPat107]

Ketooma used Michelin's for shakedown and qualification.
I'm not sure about the whole race.

Someone mentioned earlier that because of the regulations you must use the same brand of tire through the entire rally. I think dmacks plan to compared their tire to Michelin on this rally will backfire as this isn't a usual condition so the data they will collect wont be overly relevant to the surface where dmack needs the most improvement.

[aykutbilir]

Here is the link about Ketooma DMACK and Michelin :)
Ketomaa na Michelinach - Rallyonline.pl - rajdy samochodowe! (http://rallyonline.pl/index.php?1&modex=pnews&&s=36243)

[dimviii]

Ketooma used Michelin's for shakedown and qualification.
I'm not sure about the whole race.

the photos i ve see.are all without the brand at the side of tyre.So probably Michelins.

[dimviii]

some nice photos
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561987_357082534334102_279998242042532_1006730_205 7275060_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/524670_357082621000760_279998242042532_1006735_180 617955_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527962_357082564334099_279998242042532_1006732_708 839660_n.jpg

[Carlo]

There has been some absolutely magic photos so far on this event. Thanks to everyone who posts them. Supurb effort by all concerned

[Adler]

hmmm.....if Petter can manage to keep on the road, he still can score good points and maybe will be Fords No.1 in Argentina.....can´t wait for todays first stage times!

[dimviii]

stage 11
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/527178_268305543257422_102597653161546_615284_6912 78564_n.jpg

[dimviii]

before 1 hour from service park.Photo from twitter of Gerard Quinn
https://twitpic.com/show/large/93l72m

[A FONDO]

Now we know why he is so damn slow, he drives this on the special stages :laugh:

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/993/993_a_948de7953e.jpg

[EuroTroll]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527962_357082564334099_279998242042532_1006732_708 839660_n.jpg

That's one of the most beautiful rally pics I've ever seen. :up:

[Tom206wrc]

Today's stages seem to be in better shape than the ones yesterday :confused:
But it seems to still raining though :mad:

[EuroTroll]

SS11 is live. :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville on the way on SS11 ;)

[Luis Pacheco]

Few mud in this stage the portuguese radio said.

[Barreis]

Perfect roads.

[Luis Pacheco]

RTP Play (http://www.rtp.pt/play/?tv=80#/?tv%3D5%26fbtitle%3DRTP) Play - RTP 1%2C emissão online em direto%26fbimg%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg0.rtp.pt%2Fmultim ediahtml%2Flogs%2FRTP1.jpg%26fburl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2F rtp.pt%2Fplay%2F%3Ftv%3D5

live stream "rtp 1"

[Tom206wrc]

Yeah...the first on the road isn't advantaged anymore now :p :

[jbmarcus21]

Live TV SS11 http://bit.ly/HBoyWZ ;)

[Bartek]

Sordo can be again very fast today

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo still faster than Latvala and Solberg though :)

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Tänak :confused:


Edit: he's here but...was he late out of service :confused:

[GigiGalliNo1]

So is this an EXCITING rally guys?

[Langdale Forest]

link dosent work properley.

[EuroTroll]

Where's Tänak :confused:


Edit: he's here but...was he late out of service :confused:

Yes, he was 7 mins late out of service.

[Luis Pacheco]

link dosent work properley.

RTP Play (http://www.rtp.pt/play/?tv=80#/?tv%3D5%26fbtitle%3DRTP) Play - RTP 1%2C emissão online em direto%26fbimg%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg0.rtp.pt%2Fmultim ediahtml%2Flogs%2FRTP1.jpg%26fburl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2F rtp.pt%2Fplay%2F%3Ftv%3D5

[EightGear]

Somehow, with this livestream, I'm afraid Latvala crashes every corner he is in....

[EuroTroll]

Sordo still faster than the Fords. :up:

[René]

We must hope that Ford drivers are started with a cerebrum this morning !

[noel157]

RTP Play (http://www.rtp.pt/play/?tv=80#/?tv%3D5%26fbtitle%3DRTP) Play - RTP 1%2C emissão online em direto%26fbimg%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg0.rtp.pt%2Fmultim ediahtml%2Flogs%2FRTP1.jpg%26fburl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2F rtp.pt%2Fplay%2F%3Ftv%3D5

Only works inside Portugal.

Planet Marcus's link is ok.

[eib1]

RTP em directo no Tvdez.com - ESTADIOFUTEBOL.COM (http://www.tvdez.com/rtp)

[René]

That one work perfectly: RTP em directo no Tvdez.com - ESTADIOFUTEBOL.COM (http://www.tvdez.com/rtp)

[pettersolberg29]

Good 2nd split for Ketomaa

[Mirek]

Sordo continues to impress. Probably the 01B evolution is a good step forward :)

[A FONDO]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150724135318905

[Barreis]

Sordo continues to impress. Probably the 01B evolution is a good step forward :)

He was podium gravel driver until Ogier came. Maybe he lost some confidence then.

[Tom206wrc]

Frozen times ??? :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Soon Hirvonen will have his first split... ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Ostberg and Novikov quite quick which suggests road conditions much, much better

[René]

Mikko seem start as warrior !

[Tom206wrc]

Mistake for Novikov ??? Second split less good than Neuville :confused:

[MikeD]

Strong splits from Østberg

[René]

Mistake for Novikov ??? Second split less good than Neuville :confused:

It's could be Denis who ask him to stay on the road for one good final result

[cali]

Sordo and Prodrive are doing really well, I'm very happy about it. This new Mini has impressed me! Wish they could find sponsors, get Kris back and then provide good competition. Oh well, I guess this is parallel universe dreaming :D

[EightGear]

Hirvonen's tires are the worst of all, according to George Donaldson.

[dimviii]

Sordo if finishes in front of Petter,will he stole manufacture points? Another problem for Ford boys except Sandell

[René]

Stage 12 on air

[wrchirek]

Sordo is private entry. Oliveira and Nobre are the works drivers...

[dimviii]

Sordo is private entry. Oliveira and Nobre are the works drivers...

Thanks wrchirek.So he can steal points only for drivers champ

[dimviii]

Paddon?

[ZoomanSP206]

Nice coverage by Portugese TV BTW

[JAM]

Novikov made a curious statement about his lower pace during the stage. He said that the surface is dry and with more grip and as he don't know the stage very well he didn't pushed. He said that with slipery conditions is a question of driving, with more grip is a question of pacenotes. With slipery road would had pushed hard.

[EuroTroll]

Novikov made a curious statement about his lower pace during the stage. He said that the surface is dry and with more grip and as he don't know the stage very well he didn't pushed. He said that with slipery conditions is a question of driving, with more grip is a question of pacenotes. With slipery road would had pushed hard.

Makes sense to me. He won't beat Hirvonen in these conditions, whereas he might have had a chance on more treacherous roads. Why not just cruise to a podium finish. :s mokin:

[Mise]

Ketomaa Spin?

[Tom206wrc]

Novikov in SS12 :confused:

[JAM]

Makes sense to me. He won't beat Hirvonen in these conditions, whereas he might have had a chance on more treacherous roads. Why not just cruise to a podium finish. :s mokin:

But is interesting, because rallying should be first of all driving, but Novikov confirms that today pacenotes on ordinary conditions are the key thing. Driving comes on second place.

To me, makes sense his words, confirm what i see in rallying nowadays,

[jonkka]

confirm what i see in rallying nowadays,

Which is?

[EightGear]

Novikov in SS12 :confused:


Yes, where is he....?

[dimviii]

Which is?

dont bother

[Tom206wrc]

Al Attiyah reduces his gap with Prokop :)

[jonkka]

dont bother

Yes, brother.

[Mise]

Novikov through. it just his splits that are missing

[Mirek]

Al Attiyah reduces his gap with Prokop :)

Prokop has engine problems again.

[bluuford]

Prokop has engine problems again.

So, now the third stage I assume is the most wet.

[Adler]

Petter again very fast, hopefully not too fast!
If he can keep this performance level he can easy be 4th at the end, or even on the podium if one of the leaders makes a mistake.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any more live TV streams on at the moment ?

[Sulland]

Is he using Hennings car?? ;)

[Sulland]

Many Fiestaes are starting to cheat at 3 cylinders - is it the watersplashes ?

[Fide]

Interesting pace of Petter... He must keep on the road.

[JAM]

Which is?

More car less drive. But when the conditions change to the unexpected... booomn.

Mikko Hirvonen is controling. The private Fords are not so efficient as should be to challenge the Citroen. Looking at the times i can expect Petter Solberg going up until 5th.

Armindo is strugling with this car again and again. Maybe last year's car used on this rally would be a better option than the Mini that is using since then.

[Adler]

Anybody have an idea why Latvala is not on maximum attack?

[Fide]

Anybody have an idea why Latvala is not on maximum attack?

Cause Papa Wilson wil fire him :)

[Sulland]

Anybody have an idea why Latvala is not on maximum attack?

Getting points I guess!!

[uranium]

Getting points I guess!!

How many point will he have for 15th place?

[JAM]

Anybody have an idea why Latvala is not on maximum attack?


Probably afraid of ending off the road. We has a lot of situations like that here :D

[Adler]

How many point will he have for 15th place?
that was mythought...he have not much to loose now, maybe he doesn´t feel confident in this conditions?

[wwbroe]

How many point will he have for 15th place?

He can take some points for manufacturers, i think he can be 5th manufacturer, so some points for Ford. ;)

[grugsticles]

Hmm, Petter to end up in the top 5?
The way he is going atm and the speed of the drivers above suggest its quite possible!

[bluuford]

Latest weather picture tells that no rain for afternoon (with some slight worring in the heart;-)) Little possibility tomorrow on the third stage and heavy rain for the last 3 stages.

[Iskald]

So far this has been a very fascinating rally, somewhat like events of past days, where tactical and sensible approach by some drivers has counted a lot more than outright speed. You need to know when to be slow in a rally like this, you must actually dare to be slow. Some drivers have managed to do that, they have calculated the weather and extremely difficult condition being thrown at them, and driven accordingly. Proper rallying shouldnt always be about outright speed, but the sprint events of later days has led us to believe that. I am therefore mightily impressed with Hirvonen, Østberg and Novikov who has actually understood the challenges of this rally and driven extremely sensible to stay on the road.

[Viking]

Hmm, Petter to end up in the top 5?
The way he is going atm and the speed of the drivers above suggest its quite possible!

Actually podium is possible, with this mornings speed difference he will be closing in Sandell this evening. Then Wilson will put the brakes on Novikov...

Also Sordo will climb a lot, second fastest this mornings loop, only +5sec :up:

[tolis]

Live coverage of SS14 on RTP starts in 1 hour and 25 minutes!

[logic]

Live coverage of SS14 on RTP starts in 1 hour and 25 minutes!

Do you have a link?

[Xsara Fan]

Then Wilson will put the brakes on Novikov...


No way.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Do you have a link?


Post #1038

[Xsara Fan]

'Some misfair'... ;)

http://data.best-of-rallylive.com/uploads/2012/03/2012-rally-de-portugal-Novikov-at-stop-12.jpg

[jbmarcus21]

‎#WRC Rally Portugal next live TV 14.39hrs local times Almodovar 2 Live TV Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 (http://bit.ly/HBoyWZ)

[bluuford]

Portugese organizers tend to keep their promises: look at 5:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq4EtJeAk0:-)

[Viking]

No way.

If you say so :) Novikovs problem is an big fat M after his name, but maybe Malcolm is so unhappy with his 1st and 2nd driver that he will give them nothing :D

Anyway many km's to go(189 in fact), anything can happen.

[Coach 2]

How many point will he have for 15th place?

He's not 15 in the end, but now we have a quiz.
What number has P.S. and J.M.L. in the end?

[JAM]

Portugese organizers tend to keep their promises: look at 5:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq4EtJeAk0:-)

Not the organizers. It was a work from saint Peter.

In christianism, Saint Peter is the saint of the water coming from the sky :D

[Rallyper]

They will finish as follows:

Petter 2nd
JML 6th

[pettersolberg29]

He's not 15 in the end, but now we have a quiz.
What number has P.S. and J.M.L. in the end?

Petter 4th
Sordo 5th
Sandell 6th
Jari 7th

[logic]

Post #1038

Thank you.

[sete]

PS-6th
JML-9th

[pino]

So far this has been a very fascinating rally, somewhat like events of past days, where tactical and sensible approach by some drivers has counted a lot more than outright speed. You need to know when to be slow in a rally like this, you must actually dare to be slow. Some drivers have managed to do that, they have calculated the weather and extremely difficult condition being thrown at them, and driven accordingly. Proper rallying shouldnt always be about outright speed, but the sprint events of later days has led us to believe that. I am therefore mightily impressed with Hirvonen, Østberg and Novikov who has actually understood the challenges of this rally and driven extremely sensible to stay on the road.

Totally agree with you :up:

[pettersolberg29]

PS-6th
JML-9th

For the sake of discussion, who do you think will be ahead of Petter? If he's 6th then at least 2 of Prokop, Sandell or Al-Attiyah have to keep him at bay.

[sete]

i hope for another tricky condition

[jonkka]

For the sake of discussion, who do you think will be ahead of Petter? If he's 6th then at least 2 of Prokop, Sandell or Al-Attiyah have to keep him at bay.

He thinks Petter will slip once again... :D

[pettersolberg29]

Aaah well it's definitely possible I suppose! Especially if he keeps up that speed.

[Mise]

Latvala 1,3 secs faster than his time on the first split of the first run.

[Bartek]

Sordo have problems?

[logic]

No second split for Sordo

[Bartek]

+2:42.7
Sordo was out i think

[jonkka]

Sordo have problems?

Yes. Loses a lot.

[Coach 2]

I guess 3 for P.S, he will easily get 4 Regardless of the weather (if he stays on the road then).
7 long stages to run, 30 seconds on the 10 nearest. I guess 7

[Bartek]

JML also have problems, fuel pressure

Maybe Sordo have problems with overheating, another stop for him

[N.O.T]

Sordo did something wrong...

[sete]

latvala stop in ss

[Coach 2]

If I had waited 1 minute, I would not have guessed something about JML

[Tom206wrc]

Puncture for Sordo :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

Sordo lost 3 mins and JML stopped

[Bartek]

Sordo is moving again, come on!

[pettersolberg29]

With Sordo and JML issues it means Petter will be 2nd on the road. With it drying up this could halt his big push.

[N.O.T]

no splis for latvala ???

[Bartek]

no splis for latvala ???

Fuel pressure problems according to rally radio

[A FONDO]

RTP 2 em directo no Tvdez.com - ESTADIOFUTEBOL.COM (http://www.tvdez.com/rtp2) just started

[jbmarcus21]

LIVE SS14 WRC RALLYE PORTUGAL Live TV Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/rtp1.htm)

[N.O.T]

Latvala out for good....sordo big problems....

meh...

[Tom206wrc]

Al Attiyah faster than Prokop for the 5th place :cool:

[cosmin_sb]

JML is moving but he loses a lot of time

[Tom206wrc]

Also Ketomaa and Sandell experiencing problems on stage :mark:

[focus206]

Problems for Sandell?

[N.O.T]

Latvala finishes....loses 12 minutes...i do not think he will continue...

[RS]

Why is Ketomma so slow? Are the tyres that bad? Even Oliveira is not far off him.

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. (st. č. 3) Looks very angry

hmmm i wonder why.....

[N.O.T]

KETOMAA J. / STENBERG M. (st. č. 16) "Before end we lost brakes, something broken on rear, we have to retire. Driveshaft or something maybe."

from rally.cz

[JAM]

Ketomaa is stoped a km after the end of stage. It seems that is out.

[Viking]

Sandell stopped...

[pettersolberg29]

Al-Attiyah v Prokop is a good battle for 4th. Although both should be behind Petter sooner rather than later.

[focus206]

Too bad for Sandell :\ What happened to him?

[dimviii]

Sandell stopped...

one more retirement and Petter in podium

[jonkka]

one more retirement and Petter in podium

Unless it's Petter himself...

[sete]

hirvonen is going for victory for sure but who will be on the next position i will not bet on it.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Too bad for Sandell :\ What happened to him?

It seems he hit a tree with his right rear wheel and has rear suspension damage

[dimviii]

Unless it's Petter himself...

cant say that you haven t a point

[focus206]

It seems he hit a tree with his right rear wheel and has rear suspension damage

Thank you, he had a great chance for a good result :(

[Rally Hokkaido]

Just now on TV it looked like Al-Rajhi had a quick spin in the stage.

Edit: He's on the soft compound tyres - reported that the fronts were worn out at stage end.

[GINE]

If solberg is fourth before the last stage, i bet that we will see team orders in ford....
:mad:

[EuroTroll]

If solberg is fourth before the last stage, i bet that we will see team orders in ford....
:mad:

But Östberg is a privateer, and it would be just too terrible to take his first podium away from Novikov. Or so I hope. :s

[GINE]

Lets see

[Tom206wrc]

SS15 running :cool:

[dimviii]

Lets see

will you?

[jonkka]

But Östberg is a privateer, and it would be just too terrible to take his first podium away

Mads has scored podiums before...

[EuroTroll]

Mads has scored podiums before...

I know, but Novikov hasn't.

[bluuford]

Just now on TV it looked like Al-Rajhi had a quick spin in the stage.

Edit: He's on the soft compound tyres - reported that the fronts were worn out at stage end.

I just noticed that Neuville very, very, very nearly rolled on the stage. Drove on two wheels for a long time :-) That was nice stunt:-)

[MikeD]

Lets see

Novikov is an M-Sport run driver so that a possibility, whereas Østberg is not an M-Sport driver (his car i run by Adapta) so that will be more difficult to giver him a team-order. Anyway Ford really needs to stop with all their teamorders. It's ruining the sport and they are not going to win anything anyway....

[Luis Pacheco]

Ogier always fast in Portugal even in a S2000.

[RS]

If solberg is fourth before the last stage, i bet that we will see team orders in ford....
:mad:

Ford are the team order kings, but is it necessary since Ford don't want Petter to drive for the championship, even if it was possible?

Anyhow, looks like Novikov and Ostberg will have more points after this event than Ford's No.1!

[Barreis]

Latvala is ideal 3rd driver.

[Viking]

Latvala and Sordo seems to go ok on ss15 and in their right positions

[jonkka]

Latvala and Sordo seems to go ok on ss15 and in their right positions

Look at JML's 4th split...

[Tom206wrc]

But Latvala suddenly lost 8" on Neuville(3rd split SS15) :confused:

[Coach 2]

Novikov is an M-Sport run driver so that a possibility, whereas Østberg is not an M-Sport driver (his car i run by Adapta) so that will be more difficult to giver him a team-order. Anyway Ford really needs to stop with all their teamorders. It's ruining the sport and they are not going to win anything anyway....

Aside from last year, Ford's not known to have team orders. That's a completely different team that is known for this.
Every so please do not be so of history.

[dimviii]

Look at JML's 4th split...

maybe again fuel problems?

[EuroTroll]

Ketomaa still running...

[GINE]

on conditions everyone would follow orders. yes

[Mirek]

Al Attiyah faster than Prokop for the 5th place :cool:

What is cool about fighting with someone whose engine doesn't work?

[MikeD]

Aside from last year, Ford's not known to have team orders. That's a completely different team that is known for this.
Every so please do not be so of history.

Pfff. You clearly haven't followed the sport for long ... or have a bad memory!

[sete]

Sordo has dust in the car-navigator window is gone

[dimviii]

on conditions everyone would follow orders. yes

conditions? define please.

edit lets say at this condition about Novikov,Ostberg

[Iskald]

Novikov is an M-Sport run driver so that a possibility, whereas Østberg is not an M-Sport driver (his car i run by Adapta) so that will be more difficult to giver him a team-order. Anyway Ford really needs to stop with all their teamorders. It's ruining the sport and they are not going to win anything anyway....

Morten Østberg (father of Mads and Adapta team principal) is a hard bargainer. Im sure he wont accept any team orders from Malcolm Wilson unless there are some extremely tempting and valuable businessrelated incentives in asking Mads to step down for Petter.

[GINE]

conditions? define please.

edit lets say at this condition about Novikov,Ostberg
Ostberg can do NZ for example.. Or try the factory engine for GB??? Is this enough for you?

[Sladden]

As things stand at the moment...Petter has been the saving grace of the Ford team. Being an exellent 2nd driver and scoring good points on all rounds so far. Wilson has been very careful not to give Petter too much credit thou...always stating the Latvala+ the Ford was the fastest combination ect. How much longer can he countinue with that stunt? :)

[A FONDO]

Pfff. You clearly haven't followed the sport for long ... or have a bad memory!
Fords have had team orders sometimes, Citroens have always had No.2 driver who is never allowed to be in front of his teammate (except first half of previous year). Not a big difference huh?

[Tom206wrc]

Now Araujo to hit problems :s


Edit: if it goes on like this, Neuville in top10 :p :

[sete]

as i heard by radio araujo stop in the stage

[sete]

am i right the only Hirvonen is without problems in this rally?

[Coach 2]

Pfff. You clearly haven't followed the sport for long ... or have a bad memory!

I remember at least one rally where cars from a different team than Ford, stopped for 20 minutes so that the first driver would get some World Cup points. When this ended with the driver won the championship with 1 point, I heard very little about team orders.

[dimviii]

Ostberg can do NZ for example.. Or try the factory engine for GB??? Is this enough for you?

don t think that he would exchange a podium(once a year? twice?) for 10 bhp or 3 kg of torque.At the end of story Mads knows better from everybody,that his ''problem'' isn t 10 bhp.
About NZ maybe he could think.

[EuroTroll]

Morten Østberg (father of Mads and Adapta team principal) is a hard bargainer. Im sure he wont accept any team orders from Malcolm Wilson unless there are some extremely tempting and valuable businessrelated incentives in asking Mads to step down for Petter.

Which in a way would be more disgraceful. Team orders between different teams. :eek:

[Barreis]

Remember Touhino when he gave his place in Sweden for "factory" tyres. Stupid mistake.

[Coach 2]

Morten Østberg (father of Mads and Adapta team principal) is a hard bargainer. Im sure he wont accept any team orders from Malcolm Wilson unless there are some extremely tempting and valuable businessrelated incentives in asking Mads to step down for Petter.

It's going to cost M.W, a lot.

[Mirek]

Which in a way would be more disgraceful. Team orders between different teams. :eek:

We saw that many times. Fords with Stobart in Corsica for example or Citroën with Rautenbach in Poland.

[jonkka]

It's going to cost M.W, a lot.

Really? Would you trust manufacturer, to which you have said no, to provide you with the best possible equipment?
Admittedly, for Wilson customer cars are a business, but still...

[Coach 2]

Remember Touhino when he gave his place in Sweden for "factory" tyres. Stupid mistake.

Team orders have always occurred, it is you who think Ford is known for this. But all teams have been doing this. And Ford maybe less than others. It has actually cost them two driver championships.

[Viking]

Petter in 4th now.

[dimviii]

I remember at least one rally where cars from a different team than Ford, stopped for 20 minutes so that the first driver would get some World Cup points. When this ended with the driver won the championship with 1 point, I heard very little about team orders.

team orders have been played for decades.Trying to count, how many times a team gave orders, instead of another team, doesn t proof something.
Try to accept that is part of the game.

[Barreis]

Team orders have always occurred, it is you who think Ford is known for this. But all teams have been doing this. And Ford maybe less than others. It has actually cost them two driver championships.

It was Touhino's mistake.

[Coach 2]

team orders have been played for decades.Trying to count, how many times a team gave orders, instead of another team, doesn t proof something.
Try to accept that is part of the game.

I accept that, there are some others who do not.
But when the story gets turned on its head, then I react

[Tom206wrc]

What is cool about fighting with someone whose engine doesn't work?

I didn't know Prokop had an engine problem :mark:

[sete]

prokop has completely wear pneu

[Tom206wrc]

Last stage of leg running :cool:

[Adler]

Don´t they find Prokops engine problem or are they notable to fix it in service? isn´t it from first day on?

[Mirek]

Don´t they find Prokops engine problem or are they notable to fix it in service? isn´t it from first day on?

No, first day it was ignition coil and the engine was running on three cylinders. Today it is running on four but it lacks power. They didn't find the reason in service.

[ELPE]

Patrick Sandell and Maria standing on the SS 14 with a broken right front suspension. Unfortunately, the break of day. More information to come during the evening.

[Viking]

Petter is not coming fast on the last one... problems or just safe mode??

[blissard]

Puncture?

[focus206]

What is happening to Petter???

[logic]

Petter slow :(

[Luis Pacheco]

Where is Armindo??

[denkimi]

Where is Armindo??
World Rally Championship - News - SS15: Home hero Araujo retires (http://www.wrc.com/news/ss15-home-hero-araujo-retires/?fid=16434)

[pettersolberg29]

Petter losing over 40s

[Fide]

Puncture for Solberg ?

[Miika]

A bit of LOLling for the Factory Ford Circus is in place I think.

[Adler]

No, first day it was ignition coil and the engine was running on three cylinders. Today it is running on four but it lacks power. They didn't find the reason in service.
thanks, in this circumstances good performance from Martin so far!

Petter lost a minute :/

[logic]

Power steering

[Fide]

A bit of LOLling for the Factory Ford Circus is in place I think.

Yes.... What's the forecast for tomorrow ? If rains, not a good idea to start on back positions.... Then it could be tactics Solberg downpacing

[Mirek]

If I remember right, Bluuford said some heavy rain is possible for last section. Right?

[Adler]

Power steering
f..k.... how many times did the fiestas losse the power steering so far? 10 times?

however....Petter still can be 4th and score good points!

[logic]

f..k.... how many times did the fiestas losse the power steering so far? 10 times?

however....Petter still can be 4th and score good points!

Now the french engineer dude who was angry at them yesterday can shut up.

[jonkka]

Now the french engineer dude who was angry at them yesterday can shut up.

Loriaux is belgian.

[Allyc85]

f..k.... how many times did the fiestas losse the power steering so far? 10 times?

however....Petter still can be 4th and score good points!

Ford = Fixed Once Repaired Daily...

[Mirek]

Now the french engineer dude who was angry at them yesterday can shut up.

Please, educate Yourself. Loriaux is not French plus I think he achieved pretty enough to be allowed to speak on public...

[logic]

Loriaux is belgian.

Sorry my bad.

[pettersolberg29]

Petter must have really gone for it. He was quicker than Mikko, Novikov and Ostberg at split 3 with no power steering! 4th is still his if the car can be fixed.

[Fide]

Petter must have really gone for it. He was quicker than Mikko, Novikov and Ostberg at split 3 with no power steering! 4th is still his if the car can be fixed.

So...... what is the prediction order for finishing tomorrow ? (with or without team orders, nobody cares)

[Negaiss]

Ford = Fixed Once Repaired Daily...
Or - Fix or repair daily

[noel157]

So...... what is the prediction order for finishing tomorrow ? (with or without team orders, nobody cares)

The way things are going Ogier will win ahead of Al Rajhi............ :)

[pettersolberg29]

So...... what is the prediction order for finishing tomorrow ? (with or without team orders, nobody cares)

I'd say Mikko, Ostberg, Novikov, Petter, Al-Attiyah, Prokop, Kuipers etc

[EuroTroll]

I'd say Mikko, Ostberg, Novikov, Petter, Al-Attiyah, Prokop, Kuipers etc

I hope so! :up:

[Viking]

I'd say Mikko, Ostberg, Novikov, Petter, Al-Attiyah, Prokop, Kuipers etc

Don't look anything like my pickem's.. But i guess i'm not alone :)

[Iskald]

Or - Fix or repair daily

What about - Failiure On Race Day

[EuroTroll]

What about - Failiure On Race Day

Good! :D

Let's do Citroen now. :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Was a day of lots of action today, even if action was meaning lots of problems for many crews ;)

[Doon]

Good! :D

Let's do Citroen now. :p :

Carries Itself To Rally On Events Nicely

[Doon]

FORD - Full Of Rubbish Drivers

[pettersolberg29]

What about - Failiure On Race Day

Or in the case of JML and Petter - F***ed Off Rally Drivers?

[tfp]

FORD - Full Of Rubbish Drivers

Dont forget that loeb has retired aswel!

[Langdale Forest]

FORD - Full Of Rubbish Drivers

Are you trying to say the Mads Otsberg is rubbish?

[tfp]

Are you trying to say the Mads Otsberg is rubbish?

I think it was a joke, I diddnt read therest of the thread:-)

[A FONDO]

Good! :D

Let's do Citroen now. :p :
You mean Clit-rove-n ? :p

[Hartusvuori]

So, if Mikko wins this one it'll be the first time since Monte Carlo 2006 and Marcus Grönholm that a driver makes WRC event victory in another car make than his prior wins. If I checked statistics right the ones before that were Turkey 2003 and Carlos Sainz (Citroen) and Monte Carlo 2002 and Tommi Mäkinen (Subaru).

[Langdale Forest]

If Petter Solberg can get past Al Attiyah tommorrow(he probably can), could Ford order Otsberg and Novikov slow down for him?

[janvanvurpa]

Loriaux is belgian.


MY GOD! That's even worse!

Sure explains a lot. Those damn Belgians should stick to making the best beers in the whole World.


Jan van Landingham

[Mintexmemory]

Ok statistics wizards, when did a driver last win a WRC event without winning a stage on that event? If Mikko continues in his current style will he be able to up his game for the power stage? I'd be surprised if he could.

[Mirek]

Ok statistics wizards, when did a driver last win a WRC event without winning a stage on that event? If Mikko continues in his current style will he be able to up his game for the power stage? I'd be surprised if he could.

I don't see any problem with that. He would be plain stupid to risk anything now when the victory is so secure. Especially considering his job in Citroën is to bring solid points for manufacturer championship.

[Hartusvuori]

Ok statistics wizards, when did a driver last win a WRC event without winning a stage on that event? If Mikko continues in his current style will he be able to up his game for the power stage? I'd be surprised if he could.

Latvala, New Zealand 2010.

[rallye-sport]

Day 3 Photos Rallye du Portugal 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-du-portugal-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2012/vialatte_aurelien-32.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2012/vialatte_aurelien-39.jpg

[Rallyper]

So...... what is the prediction order for finishing tomorrow ? (with or without team orders, nobody cares)

Mikko, Petter, Mads, Novikov etz. For sure.

And on PS

JML, Petter, Mikko (maybe Mads but not sure...).

Rememeber this!

[rallye-sport]

And again with Arnaud's photos Photos Rallye du Portugal 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-du-portugal-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2012/arno-13.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2012/arno-6.jpg

[Barreis]

Sordo is man of the rally for me.

[N.O.T]

i did not like the event... not much driving and a lot of problem solving

[A FONDO]

rallysport.hu - Rally de Portugal 2012 - csütörtök/péntek (http://rallysport.hu/images/2012/photo/wrc/04_portugal/04_szombat/index.htm)