Prodrive Mini WRC

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Get back on Earth ;)


that was only suggestion :rolleyes: you dont want it? why? if it is hard for prodrive to compete with their small budget in wrc, maybe its easier to do it in irc. although i have no idea how much cheaper it is. the positive aspect would be to show the potential of the mini s2000 and thereby the number of sales could rise.

[N.O.T]

i think prodrive should come and compete in Greek rally championship instead...much cheaper...

just a suggestion.

[AP-Racing]

Red Bull Mini's for 2012

[mousti]

Official confirmation of it? :)

Would be sucky if they not can enter the WRC then :-/

[Plan9]

Red Bull Mini's for 2012

Hopefully this will be for the works team?

I'm would not be surprised about this as Red Bull use Mini to do all their promo work in this country.

[noel157]

FIA World Rally Championship for Manufacturers (http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2011/Pages/2012-wrc-entrants.aspx)

[Plan9]

Red Bull Mini's for 2012

Hopefully this will be for the works team?

I'm would not be surprised about this as Red Bull use Mini to do all their promo work in this country.

[Plan9]

FIA World Rally Championship for Manufacturers (http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2011/Pages/2012-wrc-entrants.aspx)

This is bad news; looks like the FIA thinks that Mini will only do a limited program. I really hope this is not the case. BUut it is good to see that the entry date of the Manufacturers championship has been pushed back a bit.

[mousti]

With the RedBull thing that probably now is 100% sure it could be a full program. It's nice to see Fia waits for them.. They could also say deadline passed oh well too late that's your fault.. Seems they aknowledge the fact that their are more teams needed for the WRC!

[tolis]

More teams, more money for the FIA... :D

[noel157]

Limited might only refer to 10 rounds, no long haul events. Of course things may change as the season goes on. We shall see.

[MikeD]

This is bad news; looks like the FIA thinks that Mini will only do a limited program. I really hope this is not the case. BUut it is good to see that the entry date of the Manufacturers championship has been pushed back a bit.

Like a wrote a little earlier then MINI (works team) won't do any WRC rallies in 2012 outside Europe (missing Mexico, Argentina and New Zealand).

[danon]

Quote - :arrow: PistonHeads Headlines - Mini misses 2012 WRC deadline (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=24910)

Update:

Prodrive have just been on the phone. They assure us that Mini and Prodrive will be at Monte Carlo - and the rest of the 2012 season.

[noel157]

I think it's a much more complex situation than as described by that article. Hardly a serious piece of journalism.

[noel157]

News later on today but RMC seems ok but at present nothing seems to be real:

Time to Rally for Oxford-built Mini (From Oxford Mail) (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/headlines/9432714.Time_to_Rally_for_Oxford_built_Mini/)

[mousti]

With all the difficulties around the official team, we could down a bit the suspense and watch this very nice Promo video of the Logi Technic team with as driver Patrick Snijers :D

Logi-technic Rally - Patrick Snijers & Johan Gitsels - Mini 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9f3in-CH0Y&feature=youtu.be)

[noel157]

Or highlights from the 6 Mini WRC events:

MINI WRC Team 2011: A Season Full of Highlights. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fM8WXMJ8EiI)

[mousti]

Featuring Petter Solberg ;)

[tolis]

It's official: MINI WRT will do 10 rounds in 2012!!! Better than nothing!!! :)

[mousti]

Yep minimum 10 rounds:

Buenas tardes a todos, despues de un intenso dia de reunion me alegra comunicaros buenas noticias, la temporada 2012 correremos minimo 10 carreras con el mini wrc empezando en el Rallye Montecarlo. Espero que el coche y yo sigamos evolucionando y poder daros muchas alegrias. A la espera de un comunicado del equipo esta es toda la informacion que puedo transmitiros. Un fuerte abrazo

[noel157]

Good afternoon, after an intense day of meeting I am pleased to inform you good news, the 2012 season will run 10 races with the lowest mini wrc rally starting in Monte Carlo. I hope the car and I continue to evolve and to give many joys. While waiting for a statement of the team that is all the information I can pass it on.

[NiekJ]

Will Sordo do 10 rounds or will Mini WRT do 10 rounds?

[Martin Luijk]

Colin Clark on twitter: "News from Prodrive not good. Things look very bad, offered a reduced prog by FIA, but couldn't commit. Monte looks dire, maybe only one car!"

https://twitter.com/#!/voiceofrally

[Pinto]

It's official: MINI WRT will do 10 rounds in 2012!!! Better than nothing!!! :)


hold back a minuite according to irish media sources Kris and paul are in a meeting at the moment to decide their future as far as im told 10 rounds only confirmed for dani yet.the lads will know their fate after this meeting

[Pinto]

colin clark reckons that there is no meeting with meeke the plot has plenty of twists and turns

[BDunnell]

No matter what the outcome, one has to ask: what was the point of Mini entering at all if they were unable to commit beyond a part-season?

[Barreis]

Another problem is ISC in the garbage and Germans don't like that kinda job.

[manta400]

Hasn't Meeke got a 3 year deal?

[N.O.T]

All you guys who are happy that a manufacturer will do limited program should not bother following the sport.... just go to a rally museum and there you can see more than 10 wrcs since the thing i get from you is that you really do not bother with quality just quantity...

I really cannot blame the manufacturers and companies abandoning the sport.... if the hardcore fans are only interested in numbers and not quality what is the point of competing after all ?? if you want to see why the sport is suffering look at a mirror....

What is the point of 10 rounds ?? the car will have no development no testing and naturally the drivers after 1-2 rounds are going to be on cruise mode since they have no chance to win anything... but hey we are going to have 2 more cars to watch on the stages right ?

i am very sad but proud that i am not like you......

[Allyc85]

All you guys who are happy that a manufacturer will do limited program should not bother following the sport.... just go to a rally museum and there you can see more than 10 wrcs since the thing i get from you is that you really do not bother with quality just quantity...

I really cannot blame the manufacturers and companies abandoning the sport.... if the hardcore fans are only interested in numbers and not quality what is the point of competing after all ?? if you want to see why the sport is suffering look at a mirror....

What is the point of 10 rounds ?? the car will have no development no testing and naturally the drivers after 1-2 rounds are going to be on cruise mode since they have no chance to win anything... but hey we are going to have 2 more cars to watch on the stages right ?

i am very sad but proud that i am not like you......

And we are all ecstatic and proud that we are nothing like you ;)

[N.O.T]

lol... no hope at all.

[Nornbugger]

And we are all ecstatic and proud that we are nothing like you ;)


Indeed, but please dont quote him.

Mr Not, Very occasionally you have something worthwhile to say, unfortunately when you dont you keep posting huge ammounts of what I regard as drivel. Happy Christmas to you and ta for instruction on how to block your posts :)

[bluuford]

All you guys who are happy that a manufacturer will do limited program should not bother following the sport.... just go to a rally museum and there you can see more than 10 wrcs since the thing i get from you is that you really do not bother with quality just quantity...

I really cannot blame the manufacturers and companies abandoning the sport.... if the hardcore fans are only interested in numbers and not quality what is the point of competing after all ?? if you want to see why the sport is suffering look at a mirror....

What is the point of 10 rounds ?? the car will have no development no testing and naturally the drivers after 1-2 rounds are going to be on cruise mode since they have no chance to win anything... but hey we are going to have 2 more cars to watch on the stages right ?

i am very sad but proud that i am not like you......

I think the point why they want to do 10 rounds and special premission from FIA is that they still want to develop the car. They want ro register as manufacturer (so that then they can update the car) but they are asking the possibility to miss long haul events.
If I remember correctly the somewhere in the rules was a caluse that entering new manufacturer is allowed to do less events. I still remember when Citroen came with limited program and with real winning car.

Long distance events should add pretty big amount of the budget, because they need two more cars and one more set of tools etc.

[makinen_fan]

All you guys who are happy that a manufacturer will do limited program should not bother following the sport.... just go to a rally museum and there you can see more than 10 wrcs since the thing i get from you is that you really do not bother with quality just quantity...

I really cannot blame the manufacturers and companies abandoning the sport.... if the hardcore fans are only interested in numbers and not quality what is the point of competing after all ?? if you want to see why the sport is suffering look at a mirror....

What is the point of 10 rounds ?? the car will have no development no testing and naturally the drivers after 1-2 rounds are going to be on cruise mode since they have no chance to win anything... but hey we are going to have 2 more cars to watch on the stages right ?

i am very sad but proud that i am not like you......

i really cant understand your point here. why is not good that Mini will do 10 rounds, instead of nothing. the money spend to send cars to NZ and registering as a manuf in the championship can be spend more wisely on development, although I doubt there will be any development in the Minis next year.

the sad part of the story is why the entered in the first place, and after spending so much time and effort to advertise the whole thing, now they just dont commit to the program.

[N.O.T]

i really cant understand your point here. why is not good that Mini will do 10 rounds, instead of nothing.

because at the top level of anything i accept only professionalism... as a spectator when i go to an event i expect the entrants to be according to the event they compete in. I hate to see rich boys doing WRC events because they can (and some (put random insult here) spectators to be happy about it)...and when we talk about manufacturers i want to see dedication...

what will mini fight for in 10 rounds ??? they will most likely act like moving advertisments...

I really hope they land a deal with a sponsor and manage to do every round and have an adequate testing schedule as well.....otherwise good riddance. I want more Citroen mentality in the sport and not Suzuki one.....

if i want to see so-so solutions and tourists parading around i have many options here where i come from.

The WRC is not taken seriously because they allow all these tourist mentality people (drivers,teams ect) have a slice of THE BEST MOTORSPORT IN THE WORLD.

If you are happy about that..allow me not to.

[bubbaontour]

because at the top level of anything i accept only professionalism... as a spectator when i go to an event i expect the entrants to be according to the event they compete in. I hate to see rich boys doing WRC events because they can (and some (put random insult here) spectators to be happy about it)...and when we talk about manufacturers i want to see dedication...

what will mini fight for in 10 rounds ??? they will most likely act like moving advertisments...

I really hope they land a deal with a sponsor and manage to do every round and have an adequate testing schedule as well.....otherwise good riddance. I want more Citroen mentality in the sport and not Suzuki one.....

if i want to see so-so solutions and tourists parading around i have many options here where i come from.

The WRC is not taken seriously because they allow all these tourist mentality people (drivers,teams ect) have a slice of THE BEST MOTORSPORT IN THE WORLD.

If you are happy about that..allow me not to.

You really are a total waste of skin.....

dedication!!!! we have slaved our guts out working every hour there is to keep the team going and you think were not dedicated..

its really easy to sit behind a keyboard spouting **** though isn't it

[Rallyper]

You really are a total waste of skin.....

dedication!!!! we have slaved our guts out working every hour there is to keep the team going and you think were not dedicated..

its really easy to sit behind a keyboard spouting **** though isn't it

There´s no doubt individuals worked there a**** off.

But I think N.O.T. has a point. WRC is top level of rallying and anyone not in a position to do top efforts will not be seen as top or proffesional. I understand your angryness but tthe lack of support frpm BMW in the first place and no sponsors will make it look like more amateurish I´d say.

No doubt money affect ability to develop and test and without that (money, tests, developing) you will only play the second hand on the piano. Sorry but that´s it.

[makinen_fan]

i do not agree with you people. what is wrong with approaching the sport with full dedication but limited funds. at least these people are doing what they can, at least offering us the spectators something more to watch. there is nothing wrong when such cars are driver as they are suppose to. i have been to wrc recently and i have witnessed the efforts of araujo and the other private minis and they were disgusting to watch. but sordo and meeke worth the time and effort to go to the stage. you cannot have a rally with just 4 rally cars.... because thats how many the serous win contenders are at the end of the day

[N.O.T]

You really are a total waste of skin.....

dedication!!!! we have slaved our guts out working every hour there is to keep the team going and you think were not dedicated..

its really easy to sit behind a keyboard spouting **** though isn't it

if you are part of the mini rallying team (driver,mechanic ects) then that is not pointed towards you because you are just a pawn who got cheated like the rally fans

If you are part of the people supplying the money to the mini team then yes you are not dedicated and most of all you cheated a lot of fans who believed you were serious about the efford.

and yes it is very easy to sit behind the monitor and spout things....especially at people who give me every reason doing so...

[tfp]

I'm kinda disapointed with Mini, there were lots of promise and "Definites" from them and they get to the end of the season, and the definites turned into shadows-of a doubt. I am very surprised that after Sordo's podium finishes that they would even consider not entering, they clearly have something promising, why discard it?

[Rallyper]

i do not agree with you people. what is wrong with approaching the sport with full dedication but limited funds. at least these people are doing what they can, at least offering us the spectators something more to watch. there is nothing wrong when such cars are driver as they are suppose to. i have been to wrc recently and i have witnessed the efforts of araujo and the other private minis and they were disgusting to watch. but sordo and meeke worth the time and effort to go to the stage. you cannot have a rally with just 4 rally cars.... because thats how many the serous win contenders are at the end of the day

Well, I can agree on that too, but most of all we want competition in the WRC. And we´ve have so far. Even from Mini. But going on with no money puts them on a second hand mission which doesn´t satify us who want top competition in the WRC.

Let´s hope they got support and be able to move forward like their competitors will do.

[N.O.T]

i do not agree with you people. what is wrong with approaching the sport with full dedication but limited funds. at least these people are doing what they can, at least offering us the spectators something more to watch.

we differ in point of view then....As i said in the WRC we must have only the top professionals showcasing their skills/products

the big picture is that motorsports are just very long advertising TV/live ads.... how would you feel going to a car show and all the big makes were showcasing their new models covered in dirt, with bumps on bonnets and big hairy men sitting on top of them....would you visit that show again ?? or you would say that was good because all the models "were just there"?

[tfp]

we differ in point of view then....As i said in the WRC we must have only the top professionals showcasing their skills/products

the big picture is that motorsports are just very long advertising TV/live ads.... how would you feel going to a car show and all the big makes were showcasing their new models covered in dirt, with bumps on bonnets and big hairy men sitting on top of them....would you visit that show again ?? or you would say that was good because all the models "were just there"?

Put the big hairy men back in the ice cream and burger vans where they belong and give the model girls a bucket and sponge, clean the cars and make them earn their keep :D
You dont get that in formula 1 ;)

[AndyRAC]

Well, I can agree on that too, but most of all we want competition in the WRC. And we´ve have so far. Even from Mini. But going on with no money puts them on a second hand mission which doesn´t satify us who want top competition in the WRC.

Let´s hope they got support and be able to move forward like their competitors will do.

Maybe BMW don't want to commit until the Promoter issue is sorted?? The whole thing is a mess.....I must say, the FiA/Jean Todt have kept quiet on the Promoter role.

[mm1]

This time I totaly agree with N.O.T, we allready had Suzuki/Seat/Hyundai etc. Especialy with a company like BMW behind all this, it just seems unprofesional, and will have negative impact on the brand.

[manta400]

not looking good for Meeke, bloody gutted for him the whole thing has been a joke

[mm1]

A bad joke, Meeke deserved a drive more than 80% of the rest of the field.

[sal]

Gutted for Kris and Paul and British rallying as well. There was starting to be a buzz amongst British and Irish fans that we had at long last someone again with genuine prospects of wins at the top level. I know it's a cruel commercial world out there where money rather than talent opens the door in many cases however what could be better for Mini's marketing department and their "heritage" than an Irish driver in a Mini on the Monte?

Hope the RAC MSA are shuffling around uncomfortably when they see drivers from countries with backing from their respective motorsport associations in works seats...

[noel157]

Very appropriate:

ever wonder what it would be like to have the girl you loved tell you shes leaving you to go work as a prostitute? #MotorsportCanBeDangerous

https://twitter.com/#!/krismeeke

[NiekJ]

Very appropriate:

ever wonder what it would be like to have the girl you loved tell you shes leaving you to go work as a prostitute? #MotorsportCanBeDangerous

https://twitter.com/#!/krismeeke

I can't believe this. So Prodrive ditching Meeke in order to attract a paying driver.

How can Mini not find the budget to operate as a works team?
They have:
- big parent company with an excellent financial position (BMW)
- prodrive is very proffessional with a good reputation
- a fast car (2 podiums in six rallies)
- the strong brand (Mini), great to sponsor Mini as it might be the most exciting car

I can't believe Vodafone or Red Bull does not want to sponsor this team.

Anyway, let's hope for at least some starts next year.

[RS]

Maybe this is not the fault of Prodrive or Mini but the WRC promoter....

[noel157]

Prodrive:

Sordo & Campana will drive at MC @krismeeke still part of the MINI team and should drive during the year plus testing & development.

[JAM]

because at the top level of anything i accept only professionalism... as a spectator when i go to an event i expect the entrants to be according to the event they compete in.

Ok, you are a guy with no idea about the co$t of things. Probably you think that high level of professionalism is free. Or probably, you think that professionalism is in proportion of money wasted.

Don't forget that you country is broken because trying to do something like a full WRC season with money for only half of the events.

If Mini as only money to 10 rounds, then let's see Mini in 10 rounds.

Your speach is out of time. That speach was valid in 2000 when we had six manufacturers, not when we have two and a half.

Merry Christhmas

[Barreis]

Meeke didn't show much in WRC. With 2 podiums as Sordo he should also do 10 rallies in 2012.

[dcr22B]

Meeke didn't show much in WRC. With 2 podiums as Sordo he should also do 10 rallies in 2012.

To be fair, 6 rallies in 2011 doesn't exactly give one much of a chance to prove himself and the car's reliability let him down once or twice.

Love to see how good you'd be

[Allyc85]

Meeke didn't show much in WRC. With 2 podiums as Sordo he should also do 10 rallies in 2012.

Just laughable!

He was learning all the time, and beating Sordo on the power stage in Spain showed the speed he has got. He will be better than any "tourist" Mini chucks in the second seat!

[WRCS14]

Meeke has had many chances in the WRC in the last nearly 10 years, probably more than most and I feel this may have been his last one.

My only fear now that is if he does get a start in the Mini this year he will drive it at twelve tenths to prove how much better he is then Campana and not finish. He should look at getting some top 5 results and set up a proper drive in 2013.

[Jordib]

Finally the 'solution' about Mini WRC Team confirms what i expected from last Rally GB where the funding problems were revealed: bad publicity for Mini brand and for BMW, at least in GB.

It's a real shame not to see Kris Meeke in Montecarlo and i think will be very difficult to see him in other rallies next year, he deserves a lot this seat.

I still think that it's a major BMW mistake not to save properly this program althought I understand that the main problem is coming from Prodrive who hasn't been able to find the proper budget and sponsors for the team.

[RS]

Meeke has had many chances in the WRC in the last nearly 10 years,

I can remember two....

[Mirek]

I don't think that driving an old private car in one event could even be called like that.

[Barreis]

Just laughable!

He was learning all the time, and beating Sordo on the power stage in Spain showed the speed he has got. He will be better than any "tourist" Mini chucks in the second seat!

Didn't say he's not good but the results are needed immideatly in the WRC at the moment.

[Allyc85]

Meeke has had many chances in the WRC in the last nearly 10 years,

Erm, care to list those chances?

[AndyRAC]

Meeke has had many chances in the WRC in the last nearly 10 years, probably more than most and I feel this may have been his last one.

My only fear now that is if he does get a start in the Mini this year he will drive it at twelve tenths to prove how much better he is then Campana and not finish. He should look at getting some top 5 results and set up a proper drive in 2013.

Have you ever visited the planet earth......??? Unbelievable.....

[Dr. Krogshöj]

Meeke has had many chances in the WRC in the last nearly 10 years, probably more than most and I feel this may have been his last one.

Many chances? What does that say about Sordo? He drove a championship-winning car for five years and failed to win one rally.

[NiekJ]

Many chances? What does that say about Sordo? He drove a championship-winning car for five years and failed to win one rally.

I remember a teammate he had that time, what was his name again... Right it was mr Loeb.

[N.O.T]

Its ok for Meeke as long as we get a replacement in the second mini....bring Al quassimy in....because all it matters is to see another mini on the stages....right ??

[alleskids]

According to autosport.com Meeke has a contract with MBMW/Mini for 2012, so he still remains in the team, but only test and hopefully some drives in the 3rd Mini WRC. Campana will be official Mini WRC Team driver and Sordo's teammate for Monte Carlo, Germany, France and Spain.

[N.O.T]

Campana is a worthy replacement....he will fight with the s2000s and the lobotomised fans will have their mini on the stages ...GREAT. Al Quassimy would be better though...more sideways.

[pettersolberg29]

I hope Campana shows a bit more this season - a few years back I had high hopes for him. This is his last chance and he has his 4 strongest rallies to compete in in an official manufacturer team. I dont have the same view as you N.O.T - I can see him being one of the best of the 2nd group with Tanak, Ostberg, Henning, Wilson...which although doesn't impress you its still quite good!

[amilk]

Mixed feelings....
..... after Mini's good debut it's dissapointed to see that BWM (with it's financial results) not behind the team to run 2 cars during the full season (Sordo, Meeke)
..... the economical situation not good but still suprising that DR with his relationships and history can not find a big sponsor and balance the budget
..... end of 80's Lancia run on selected events as Toyota did, Prodrive started with Subaru with limited programs beginning of 90's, Mitsubishi and Makinen was many times one man show mid/end of 90's and that was somewhere normal (yes there was no such developed internet in that time to discuss about)- so FIA must come back to realities also and not asking from manufacturers full season if there is 2 manufacturer only and simply the budget not enough, also FIA who needs to make a step quickly in WRC promotion, what they are planning to do the WRC more attractive - MC is back good point but after I dont's see so much plans about the future .-
..... Sordo and Meeke ...both good enough to factory seats and sensless to fight on this

[anto-t]

A facebook page has been set up

Keep Kris Meeke in the Mini WRC team | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-Kris-Meeke-in-the-mini-WRC-team/311931522171175)

Pass it around It worked for Ford so it might work for Meeke!

[Tomi]

A facebook page has been set up

Keep Kris Meeke in the Mini WRC team | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-Kris-Meeke-in-the-mini-WRC-team/311931522171175)

Pass it around It worked for Ford so it might work for Meeke!

Lol, you cant be serious to belive that a bunch of tossers writing in facebook makes any different for some team who they sign, better would be to make sure meeke has the cash needed.

[anto-t]

look if 3.5k changed the mind at ford it might help.

Its better than sitting at home crying about it!

[Tomi]

Its better than sitting at home crying about it!

better than crying, would be to try to collect a budget instead of sending mails.

[Francis44]

I dont think Ford decision to stay was based on an overrated internet social network.

[Juha_Koo]

I dont think Ford decision to stay was based on an overrated internet social network.

Ofcourse it wasn't totally based on that, but Ford seems to put weight on social media, new Fiesta colour scheme will include Facebook and Twitter logos...

[Sulland]

Will be interessting to see where the problem is based; - BMW, not really willing to give rally 100% backing, being a racing brand.
- Prodrive miscalculating the possibility to get financial backing from Mini owner and sponsors.
- FIA and the mess around the media package, when russian oligark money went away.


A combination of the 3, or another reason.
But with the finacial crisis in the world, money of this size is hard to get by!


History will tell!!

[Barreis]

Ok, somebody other will drive, not Meeke and that's it. Nothing special.

[AndyRAC]

Will be interessting to see where the problem is based; - BMW, not really willing to give rally 100% backing, being a racing brand.
- Prodrive miscalculating the possibility to get financial backing from Mini owner and sponsors.
- FIA and the mess around the media package, when russian oligark money went away.


A combination of the 3, or another reason.
But with the finacial crisis in the world, money of this size is hard to get by!


History will tell!!

I think it's probably a combination of all 3.

And it could be argued that the new for 2011 regs, are still far too expensive....but that is for another discussion.

[wildsir]

You would have to ask where is the whole project going. The business plan is flawed, they will never compete with VW or Citroen, the manufacturer isn't interested, there is no money, DR Has lost his Midas touch, no testing and a driver who plateau'd years ago

The one thing Meeke has is potential.

The UK media is already running articles on bad image of this decision of BMW.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/racingli ... r-too.aspx (http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/racinglines/archive/2011/12/23/bad-for-meeke-but-bmw-will-suffer-too.aspx)

[Barreis]

Well who's reading this except us?!

[mousti]

Ofcourse it wasn't totally based on that, but Ford seems to put weight on social media, new Fiesta colour scheme will include Facebook and Twitter logos...
What's not really suprising, WWE and UFC are also integrating Twitter and Facebook to their shows..

[wildsir]

Well who's reading this except us?!

You could say that about the whole WRC

[Rallyper]

I think FIA have to reconsider their fees, having learned frpm Mr Ecclestone in the past is not the way to look at the future.

[Coach 2]

By reading between the lines, and using the relatively reliable information, I think the story is as follows.
Prodrive wants to show that they are the right choice for a manufacturer if they will participate in the WRC.
They tried to adapt the new rules to various cars from six different manufacturers.
They found that the Mini fit very well. Contacted BMW and got the money to develop Mini-WRC. But BMW did not promise more than this.
Prodrive is trying to continue to advertise that they are to be reckoned with, but can not (for financial reasons) promise none other than Sordo 10 starts in the WRC for the season 2012.
But they can certainly offer cars to those who will pay.

[jonkka]

The one thing Meeke has is potential.

And that is it.

[N.O.T]

Meeke has potential for around 10 years now......reminds me of the system we follow here in Greece when it comes to rally drivers....in your 20s you are too young and none expects anything in your 30s you are considered a talent with potential and in your 40s you are a complete rally driver and you could easily be a world contender in your star trek universe and in the head of your yes men.

The sad news is not that Meeke got dropped, the sad news is that the 2nd driver got sacked to accomodate a paying useless richboy...

Good Riddance Mini !!!!

[danon]

Campana Confirmed for Monte-Carlo With MINI WRC Team | World Rally Sport (http://www.worldrallysport.com/content/campana-confirmed-monte-carlo-with-mini-wrc-team)

[Doon]

I have to agree with NOT. Why bother building a team if you're not sending the best drivers available to you on to the stages, whilst pretending you'll be some kind of champion? I think it was Prodrives original intent to win something, but now that it's all gone t*ts up they are hanging on in there to possibly make a bit of cash from private entrants, and give one car a chance.

What position does this put them in with future homologations? Can they make any now not being an official entrant and all?

[gtimad73]

All i'll say is its ok to come in with half a budget with a proven company. but if you want a win you got to come in with a big budget (if your a proper manufacture) load of manufacure have try'd and failed. half arsed gets you know where.

[mousti]

@Doon: I wonder how much the criticism would be on Prodriv if they withdraw the whole Prodrive company it would be much more believe me, NOT is indeed a bit true in his oppinion, but still a sport about automobiles need loads of money and then the talent that's a big disadvantage against sports like Soccer, Basketball, Cyling yes money is also very important there but that's for paying them though, the biggest talent will be there at the start.. In WRC it will be only very selective and the cars they're driving plus funds aren't equal at all.

[Nornbugger]

To be fair, 6 rallies in 2011 doesn't exactly give one much of a chance to prove himself and the car's reliability let him down once or twice.

Love to see how good you'd be


Ironically if Barreis has enough money we may get to see how good he is!
All the same I think the 'how good would you be' arguement is incredible childish and really is totally pointless

[Nornbugger]

A facebook page has been set up

Keep Kris Meeke in the Mini WRC team | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-Kris-Meeke-in-the-mini-WRC-team/311931522171175)

Pass it around It worked for Ford so it might work for Meeke!

?? laughable, how many people joined the Ford thing to convince them to stay, you are mad if you think it made any difference at all, but thanks for helping me start my day with a smile :D

[bassist]

What a kick in the teeth for Kris/Paul.Makes a mockery of things like the Academy, Star Driver, JWRC , or any fledgling series to promote genuine talent. Wasnt the launch of Mini WRC supposed to be a throw back to British success in previous Monte`s with a genuine talented British driver? We all know `cash is king` but this is taking the p#ss!

[alleskids]

I guess Richard Goransson will be Sordo's teammate in the official Mini WRC Team? So Prodrive has covered already 5 out of the minimum 10 rallies Sordo will do in 2012
Monte Carlo/Germany/France/Spain: Campana
Sweden: Goransson

[BDunnell]

Will be interessting to see where the problem is based; - BMW, not really willing to give rally 100% backing, being a racing brand.
- Prodrive miscalculating the possibility to get financial backing from Mini owner and sponsors.
- FIA and the mess around the media package, when russian oligark money went away.


A combination of the 3, or another reason.
But with the finacial crisis in the world, money of this size is hard to get by!


History will tell!!

It would be nice if someone now would tell, as it would be nice if the usual PR platitudes were dispensed with in favour of an honest discussion about the problems afflicting the WRC.

[BDunnell]

Its ok for Meeke as long as we get a replacement in the second mini....bring Al quassimy in....because all it matters is to see another mini on the stages....right ??

I fear your cynicism is well-placed.

[AndyRAC]

It would be nice if someone now would tell, as it would be nice if the usual PR platitudes were dispensed with in favour of an honest discussion about the problems afflicting the WRC.

I fear you, and all of us will be waiting.......

[jonkka]

What position does this put them in with future homologations? Can they make any now not being an official entrant and all?

No harm at all. Manufacturer can homologate WRCar as long as they run it in WRChampionship. Registration to manufacturers championship is not required. However, they can't keep on running as non-registered entrant forever. If rules haven't changed, two learning years is max before full championship is required.

[Barreis]

Let we all hope for some more podiums for mini to continue with works program and tv holders resolved (with Eurosport in :D ).

[danon]

Interview with Carlos del Barrio the co- of Xevi Pons, Jesus Puras, Daniel Oliveira and Dani Sordo.
Changes are expected, test and sponsors for Mini :arrow: Entrevista a Carlos del Barrio. Se esperan evoluciones, test y patrocinadores para Mini (http://www.motorpasionf1.com/mundial-rallies/entrevista-a-carlos-del-barrio-se-esperan-evoluciones-test-y-patrocinadores)

[danon]

Quote: bmwblog.com - MINI WRC Team Makes a MAJOR Mistake

...“wimpy rich kid gets the drive”... :arrow: MINI WRC Team Makes a MAJOR Mistake (http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/12/30/mini-wrc-team-makes-a-major-mistake/)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I don't know why people are outraged at this. Yes, Meeke is talented. And yes, it's disappoitning to see pay drivers running in the second Mini. But Mini explained why they made that choice - they couldn't get the budget to enter two works cars at every rally in the season. 2012 is a step up from their 2011 program, but it looks like it was too big a step to run two full-time drivers, and Dani Sordo has more experience at the WRC level than Meeke. Hopefully, they team will be looking to enter two full-time works drives in 2013, and give the second seat to Meeke.

[PLuto]

I will explain you why there is problem. Kris Meeke had offer after his success in IRC to go to Skoda. He has decided to join Mini on the beginning of their project, because they have promised him full time on developing the car and then another years in WRC. But now, just before start of the season after whole year of developing the car and few start, thay have said to him: Thanks, but you will not go... He is paid driver, but he is in best rally age. If he will not do races this year, it is big loss for him...

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I understand that - but in the time between Mini making the original promise and later breaking it, something has clearly changed within the team. They couldn't get the budget to enter two full-time works cars, and had to resort to pay drivers. This obviously wasn't the original intention, and I'm certain they would have kept their promise if they could have, but they obviously could not.

Although I do wonder if they could at least give him a John Cooper Works S2000 for all the European events. Maybe it's not as good as a WRC-spec entry for all rallies, but it's better than nothing.

[Mintexmemory]

I understand that - but in the time between Mini making the original promise and later breaking it, something has clearly changed within the team. They couldn't get the budget to enter two full-time works cars, and had to resort to pay drivers. This obviously wasn't the original intention, and I'm certain they would have kept their promise if they could have, but they obviously could not.

Although I do wonder if they could at least give him a John Cooper Works S2000 for all the European events. Maybe it's not as good as a WRC-spec entry for all rallies, but it's better than nothing.

Nothing changed, they didn't have a budget for 2012 at the start and that remained the situation. They left the announcement so late that the driver musical chairs had ended for next season leaving KM without a drive. The mini 'image' promoted by Dodgey Dave / Prodrive has been the rebirth of the Mini, in traditional BRITISH Leyland colours and invoking the name (and presence) of Paddy Hopkirk (Northern Irish Monte winner) in association with Kris's presence in the team. In PR terms Dani Sordo has been very much secondary within the set up. Then Kris is dropped. British rally fans (to a very large proportion) feel the whole thing stinks and the tangible positive feeling for Prodrive (you had to be out on the stages to experience how much people had got behind them) is very seriously damaged. Damn it, we had a Brit to get behind at last and then it has been snatched away!

[manta400]

well said, im from Northern Ireland and was gutted to hear the news, he needed a bit of consistency and he would have been a winner. it was a massive PR disaster for the Monte

[Francis44]

I will explain you why there is problem. Kris Meeke had offer after his success in IRC to go to Skoda. He has decided to join Mini on the beginning of their project, because they have promised him full time on developing the car and then another years in WRC. But now, just before start of the season after whole year of developing the car and few start, thay have said to him: Thanks, but you will not go... He is paid driver, but he is in best rally age. If he will not do races this year, it is big loss for him...


If you take your seat in an official team as a guarantee for 2 or more years you are a fool.

Meeke knew when he signed with Mini that the project was still new and much could go wrong. It was is choice to sign with a new team and manufacteur.

[Nornbugger]

Quote: bmwblog.com - MINI WRC Team Makes a MAJOR Mistake

...“wimpy rich kid gets the drive”... :arrow: MINI WRC Team Makes a MAJOR Mistake (http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/12/30/mini-wrc-team-makes-a-major-mistake/)

silly article

[noel157]

If you take your seat in an official team as a guarantee for 2 or more years you are a fool.

Meeke knew when he signed with Mini that the project was still new and much could go wrong. It was is choice to sign with a new team and manufacteur.

So that makes C McRae, C Sainz, W Rohrl and many other top drivers all fools.

[Nornbugger]

well said, im from Northern Ireland and was gutted to hear the news, he needed a bit of consistency and he would have been a winner. it was a massive PR disaster for the Monte


I dont think the Pr matters much, the WRC has no profile beyond a shrinking number of fans in the UK and Ireland, it is a huge disappointment to us fans but I dont believe this all will cost BMW any car sales at all, if I were in a position to buy a BMW 1 series M coupe I'd still jump at the chance.

I like Meeke, he is proper quick, all he has achieved has been on the back of his talent but I do think he should have worked harder at self promotion beyond the sport, today sponsorship is often tied to public profile as much as to results and talent, he has talent and some great results but he is invisible in the beyond rally circles.
I dont have answers to what he should have done better, and he isnt alone in his lack of profile, its an accusation could be made of nearly all WRC drivers at the moment other than the Solberg brothers

[SubaruNorway]

At least a few more will know who Meeke was after this.

James May Vs British Gold Medalist - Top Gear - Series 17 Episode 1 - BBC Two - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzxS-3vO6Gw)

[Nornbugger]

At least a few more will know who Meeke was after this.

James May Vs British Gold Medalist - Top Gear - Series 17 Episode 1 - BBC Two - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzxS-3vO6Gw)


if you see the full version of the show Clarkson was a total prick(not unusual for him) and totally blanked Meeke in the interview, this was a good effort by Meeke and Mini but it didnt work great for Meeke IMHO

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Nothing changed, they didn't have a budget for 2012 at the start and that remained the situation. They left the announcement so late that the driver musical chairs had ended for next season leaving KM without a drive.
Or maybe they wanted to run Meeke full-time alongside Sordo and tried to get the budget together so that he could drive, and simply left it until the last minute because they were still scraping funds together. It's not like they realised they would not have the budget to compete two months ago and just decided not to tell anyone.

[noel157]

They ran out of money after Rally France.

[Rallyper]

One can ask how much money Meeke did put in himself in MINI, just to be sacked too early. I´ve heard rumours (old ones now) that PG refused a deal with Mini back in augist 2010 just because the uncertainty of Mini´s financial strength.

[noel157]

One can ask how much money Meeke did put in himself in MINI, just to be sacked too early. I´ve heard rumours (old ones now) that PG refused a deal with Mini back in augist 2010 just because the uncertainty of Mini´s financial strength.

Meeke was employed, why would he put money in it? He didn't buy the seat. If you knew Meeke's history money has never been available.

[Rallyper]

Meeke was employed, why would he put money in it? He didn't buy the seat. If you knew Meeke's history money has never been available.

That´s good; no economical harm for Meeke in this case then. But easier to sack him as well. I feel sorry for him of course. I think there´s been said many things between the lines in Prodrive and BMW´s businees partnership which never been official. HAving said that I think BMW should reconsider their engagement in WRC. They are needed there as well as in DTM.

[driveace]

Maybe Kris would be a better driver in the Proton,than Alister is.I know it's not in the same league,of car but a drive is better than NO drive,and he is no slouch !

[Plan9]

Here are some of my thoughts on the Meek-Mini-Prodrive situation:

I think Meeke would be at Monte Carlo is he had a big backer or maybe a few more than the ones he has. Perhaps Red Bull or Codemasters could have make an investment into him.

I also feel that as he crashed quite a bit Mini-Prodrive lost a bit of patience with him, whereas Sordo (who may not be at the team long term) did complete most of the rallies and brought home alot more technical; data than Meeke so on balance it would be wrong to punish Sordo in favor of Meeke if they only has one car.

Other issues that could have been a factor include North One Sport and the clown in charge there, BMW worried about the controversy that could have emerged. Also Richards probably was not able to find a third party of join up with them; earlier in the year several of his press releases referred to Prodrive gaining more autonomy from BMW.

I expect that BMW would have like a win in 2011 and reduced funding as a performance incentive.

Does anyone know if Meeke will be allowed to do the shakedowns of all events this year, he and Dani actually did every event in this way in 2011. If this is the case and Meeke does get the full time drive in 2013 his chances of winning a title will not be reduced as much because he will have experience on the wide variety of roads offered in the season.

I think if Meeke does any rallies this year they will not be in a top spec car as Prodrive will want to flatter the gentleman drivers as much as possible. I have nothing but contempt for all the driver who will be in the #52 car as they have not earned the right. I expect Paddon may be offered it in NZ if they attend the event.

Maybe Meeke can look beyond 2012 and try and find a team that will buy him out of his current contract. Otherwise I can't see him amounting to much more than what he was at Citroen ie, the talent was there but his wallet was not fat enough and he did not have the right passport.

I hope I am wrong on that last point.

By the way, can we start a Meeke thread??? He is an interesting driver and I think there will be alot to discuss about him in the months ahead.

[N.O.T]

Here are some of my thoughts on the Meek-Mini-Prodrive situation:

I think Meeke would be at Monte Carlo is he had a big backer or maybe a few more than the ones he has. Perhaps Red Bull or Codemasters could have make an investment into him.

I also feel that as he crashed quite a bit Mini-Prodrive lost a bit of patience with him, whereas Sordo (who may not be at the team long term) did complete most of the rallies and brought home alot more technical; data than Meeke so on balance it would be wrong to punish Sordo in favor of Meeke if they only has one car.

Other issues that could have been a factor include North One Sport and the clown in charge there, BMW worried about the controversy that could have emerged. Also Richards probably was not able to find a third party of join up with them; earlier in the year several of his press releases referred to Prodrive gaining more autonomy from BMW.

I expect that BMW would have like a win in 2011 and reduced funding as a performance incentive.

Does anyone know if Meeke will be allowed to do the shakedowns of all events this year, he and Dani actually did every event in this way in 2011. If this is the case and Meeke does get the full time drive in 2013 his chances of winning a title will not be reduced as much because he will have experience on the wide variety of roads offered in the season.

I think if Meeke does any rallies this year they will not be in a top spec car as Prodrive will want to flatter the gentleman drivers as much as possible. I have nothing but contempt for all the driver who will be in the #52 car as they have not earned the right. I expect Paddon may be offered it in NZ if they attend the event.

Maybe Meeke can look beyond 2012 and try and find a team that will buy him out of his current contract. Otherwise I can't see him amounting to much more than what he was at Citroen ie, the talent was there but his wallet was not fat enough and he did not have the right passport.

I hope I am wrong on that last point.

By the way, can we start a Meeke thread??? He is an interesting driver and I think there will be alot to discuss about him in the months ahead.


wow...really...wow...

[manta400]

brilliant

[N.O.T]

LOL...

[noel157]

Here are some of my thoughts on the Meek-Mini-Prodrive situation:

I think Meeke would be at Monte Carlo is he had a big backer or maybe a few more than the ones he has. Perhaps Red Bull or Codemasters could have make an investment into him.

I also feel that as he crashed quite a bit Mini-Prodrive lost a bit of patience with him, whereas Sordo (who may not be at the team long term) did complete most of the rallies and brought home alot more technical; data than Meeke so on balance it would be wrong to punish Sordo in favor of Meeke if they only has one car.

Other issues that could have been a factor include North One Sport and the clown in charge there, BMW worried about the controversy that could have emerged. Also Richards probably was not able to find a third party of join up with them; earlier in the year several of his press releases referred to Prodrive gaining more autonomy from BMW.

I expect that BMW would have like a win in 2011 and reduced funding as a performance incentive.

Does anyone know if Meeke will be allowed to do the shakedowns of all events this year, he and Dani actually did every event in this way in 2011. If this is the case and Meeke does get the full time drive in 2013 his chances of winning a title will not be reduced as much because he will have experience on the wide variety of roads offered in the season.

I think if Meeke does any rallies this year they will not be in a top spec car as Prodrive will want to flatter the gentleman drivers as much as possible. I have nothing but contempt for all the driver who will be in the #52 car as they have not earned the right. I expect Paddon may be offered it in NZ if they attend the event.

Maybe Meeke can look beyond 2012 and try and find a team that will buy him out of his current contract. Otherwise I can't see him amounting to much more than what he was at Citroen ie, the talent was there but his wallet was not fat enough and he did not have the right passport.

I hope I am wrong on that last point.

By the way, can we start a Meeke thread??? He is an interesting driver and I think there will be alot to discuss about him in the months ahead.

LOL.. That's some post, about 90% inaccurate.

[noel157]

Big feature in British Motorsport News on Wednesday about the Prodrive saga. Warts and all apparently.

[AndyRAC]

Big feature in British Motorsport News on Wednesday about the Prodrive saga. Warts and all apparently.

Is there anything new likely to feature though??

Also, apart from Autocar, it hasn't really made the British mainstream. The Autocar item was welcome, but only received about a dozen replies.

[Gregor-y]

if you see the full version of the show Clarkson was a total prick(not unusual for him) and totally blanked Meeke in the interview, this was a good effort by Meeke and Mini but it didnt work great for Meeke IMHO
That bothered me as well; bringing Meeke in for the live taping segment then ignoring him. Granted it was partly for the schtick of watching JC fawn over the cute sledder, but hardly a way to get any interest for rally in the UK.

[noel157]

Is there anything new likely to feature though??

Also, apart from Autocar, it hasn't really made the British mainstream. The Autocar item was welcome, but only received about a dozen replies.

Supposed to reveal (or maybe confirm) some aspects of the situation that some may not be aware of.

Really thought DR would've stuck his head out of the Banbury bunker and explained a few things (other than the watery 2 sentences somebody managed to put on FB). PR disaster.

[AndyRAC]

Supposed to reveal (or maybe confirm) some aspects of the situation that some may not be aware of.

Really thought DR would've stuck his head out of the Banbury bunker and explained a few things (other than the watery 2 sentences somebody managed to put on FB). PR disaster.

I've seen the comments on the Facebook page - and the replies from fans are in no doubt were the blame lies - similarly on the MINI Motorsport section.

I agree about the PR disaster, however - the WRC & Rallying has limited interest - if this had been F1, then there would have been a storm of all kinds.

[wildsir]

Tell Citroen and Ford that... They're wasting millions.

[Sulland]

WRC & Rallying has limited interest - if this had been F1, then there would have been a storm of all kinds.

Spot on, and some of the mess started when FIA wanted to turn the rallyworld more F1ish and professional, getting a pro organisation doing world promotion to bring rally closer to Bernies world. The problem was that the firm they chose kever managed to produce.

Rally has a big potential, most agree to that, but so far WRC has gone in the wrong direction. And with the worlds economical climate the only option is to simplify and get the cost for a WRC season down, or get Bernie to take on WRC in addition to F1!

[Barreis]

That would be good.

[AndyRAC]

Bernie has already done that - he was the Boss of FiA Promotional Affairs. But almost exclusively concentrated on F1.....

[Barreis]

There's money.

[gravelman]

Big feature in British Motorsport News on Wednesday about the Prodrive saga. Warts and all apparently.

Warts and all?? Sounds vaguely worrying Noel. Insights into budget miscalculations etc no doubt. Rather brave of MN to do this, what with their usual habit of not being too hard on certain drivers/teams/ friends of theirs.

[noel157]

We'll see on Wednesday (well I won't, can't get it, but I'm sure some kind forumteers will give us a summary).

[MJW]

Warts and all?? Sounds vaguely worrying Noel. Insights into budget miscalculations etc no doubt. Rather brave of MN to do this, what with their usual habit of not being too hard on certain drivers/teams/ friends of theirs.

In fairness to Motorsport News they are less likely that Autosport to suck up to the powers that be.

[Kielder]

There are intense rumours that Mini will make an annoucement about finishing their work with Prodrive after MC.

[mousti]

Yep seems that Richards relationship with BMW got very bad. Well then this is a fail story :(

[manta400]

I just noticed on twitter Colin Clark mentioned something after Monte. Doubt it will be money for a full championship eh? Kris time to knock VW

[Sulland]

Yep seems that Richards relationship with BMW got very bad. Well then this is a fail story :(

Can see that a pissed off Richards do not exactly gel with the politically correct germans in the BMW management....
If true this is tragic for the sport!

[dimviii]

Prodrive-Mini-Ehe vor dem Aus*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/01/03/prodrive-mini-ehe-vor-dem-aus/index.html)

[MJW]

Maybe Eurosport come in as promoter and then BMW management decide to stay? Ahh, wishful thinking........

[noel157]

Think the problems are more fundamental than media coverage.

[rallyfiend]

Maybe Eurosport come in as promoter and then BMW management decide to stay? Ahh, wishful thinking........

Eurosport struggle to sell their own products in the IRC and WTCC outside their own channels. Why would this be a good thing for the WRC that is currently broadcast on so many other channels?

I suspect the Prodrive / BMW issues relate to promises / contractual obligations made, and not adhered too. DR and Prodrive over-promising and under-delivereing yet again.

[noel157]

https://p.twimg.com/AiTjosXCMAEuAC3.jpg

[EightGear]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96879

Mini confirms WRC entry!

[rallyfiend]

http://http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96879

Mini confirm WRC entry!

Interestingly that 'source' quoted is from FIA, and Prodrive wouldn't comment on it. Given that they are the ones to actually have to live up to BMW's ideas and implement, it seems the two sides are still miles apart. It's one thing for the FIA and BMW to come up with a solution, a completely different thing for someone to actually do it.
I'll believe it when there's some sort of joint or official statement. I suspect this is a long way from over.

[Motorsportfun]

Interestingly that 'source' quoted is from FIA, and Prodrive wouldn't comment on it. Given that they are the ones to actually have to live up to BMW's ideas and implement, it seems the two sides are still miles apart. It's one thing for the FIA and BMW to come up with a solution, a completely different thing for someone to actually do it.
I'll believe it when there's some sort of joint or official statement. I suspect this is a long way from over.

Neither Prodrive nor BMW are available for comments since December; when you call them at the phone, they answer "no comment"... not a good situation, IMHO!

[Rally Power]

I suspect the Prodrive / BMW issues relate to promises / contractual obligations made, and not adhered too. DR and Prodrive over-promising and under-delivereing yet again.

Totally agree.
Surely BMW it isnt Subaru!
After losing 555 sponsorship didn't Mr. Richards "invited" the japanese to complete the budget, including Solberg multi millionaire salary?
BMW has a wide presence in motorsport, so they don't need to put a penny more than contracted in order to save this particular programme.
I really hope Mini stays in WRC in a competitive mode, but it seems unfair to put the blame on BMW if, once more, Prodrive doesn't cope with it.

[noel157]

Any UK people read M News yet? Anything of interest in it.

[MJW]

Any UK people read M News yet? Anything of interest in it. Nothing that you dont know already, most of the info is well known, fundamental part of it was Prodrive were to land a sponsor to pay - that hasnt happened. Lots of bending over backwards by FIA to allow a single car entry for 10 rounds.

[AndyRAC]

So all the bashing of BMW is quite unwarranted - hmmm, Prodrive drop another clanger. First the AMR-One, now this.

[Nornbugger]

https://p.twimg.com/AiTjosXCMAEuAC3.jpg

silly title from MN, any fans are disappointed rather than furious, my bet is that they are using provocative headlines to sell a paper that will have nothing new in it

[Plan9]

Mini confirms entry for 2012 World Rally Championship - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96879)

Mini confirms WRC entry!

I found this particularly interesting as it highlights some of the concerns I raised earlier surrounding BMW's worry about NOS issues.

What do you guys think will happen after 2012/13? Will Prodrive dump the Mini chassis and pick up another project or will BMW allow Prodrive to continue with Mini but perhaps with a different model?

How will Prodrive develop the engine without BMW support?

Does anyone know if any mini's will come to NZ???

[N.O.T]

I found this particularly interesting as it highlights some of the concerns I raised earlier surrounding BMW's worry about NOS issues.

What do you guys think will happen after 2012/13? Will Prodrive dump the Mini chassis and pick up another project or will BMW allow Prodrive to continue with Mini but perhaps with a different model?

How will Prodrive develop the engine without BMW support?

Does anyone know if any mini's will come to NZ???

so many questions....

[cali]

I'm quite sure Prodrive is capable of developing a good engine... They developed the engine of Subaru's also, and the engine was known to be the best point of the car, some say that the S12-engine is probably the best WRC-engine ever built.

Remember Peugeot 307?

[RS]

Eurosport struggle to sell their own products in the IRC and WTCC outside their own channels. Why would this be a good thing for the WRC that is currently broadcast on so many other channels?


IRC and WTCC are entirely their own products whereas WRC has the cache of being a full FIA Championship. There is nothing that says if Eurosport gets the rights they can't continue to sell it to other channels too but what Eurosport have which other organisations (such as NOS) don't have is their own channel which is available around the globe at reasonable or no cost.

In the UK for example I think moving from ESPN to Eurosport would be a very positive move. F1 might be able to get away with it but rallying just does not have enough pull to the general public to command expensive subscription charges as has been proved by the dreadful ESPN viewing figures.

[rallyfiend]

IRC and WTCC are entirely their own products whereas WRC has the cache of being a full FIA Championship. There is nothing that says if Eurosport gets the rights they can't continue to sell it to other channels too but what Eurosport have which other organisations (such as NOS) don't have is their own channel which is available around the globe at reasonable or no cost.

In the UK for example I think moving from ESPN to Eurosport would be a very positive move. F1 might be able to get away with it but rallying just does not have enough pull to the general public to command expensive subscription charges as has been proved by the dreadful ESPN viewing figures.

WTCC not a full World Championship?!?!

How many manufacturers has Eurosport attracted to that series recently?! Would you say that this is a shining example of promotion?

[RS]

WTCC not a full World Championship?!?!

How many manufacturers has Eurosport attracted to that series recently?! Would you say that this is a shining example of promotion?

Fair point about WTCC but I don't really follow that series so can't comment more on that.

But for WRC, I don't see how Eurosport cannot be a massive improvement on the current regime. Who wouldn't want the kind of live coverage we have seen in IRC on a channel that is much more accessable to most?

It is not only the fans wallets this affects. Look at Mini - they have a competitve car but can't even justify throwing a few million at the project.

[rallyfiend]

Fair point about WTCC but I don't really follow that series so can't comment more on that.

But for WRC, I don't see how Eurosport cannot be a massive improvement on the current regime. Who wouldn't want the kind of live coverage we have seen in IRC on a channel that is much more accessable to most?

It is not only the fans wallets this affects. Look at Mini - they have a competitve car but can't even justify throwing a few million at the project.

I agree that Eurosport's coverage of Monte has been great in the past, but that's the point, it's only ever really been Monte, with sporadic coverage of other events when the Organiser has been willing to pay Eurosport to provide it. There's been little consistency.
In 2011, how many events had live coverage? Monte, Scotland, and Cyprus? 3 out of 13 is better than none, but it's still a drop in the ocean.
It would just be a pity if NOS had planned to do more of the France style web streaming and that went by the wayside for a limited TV coverage deal on Eurosport. As soon as something goes on eurosport, the ability for it to grow disappears because of the broad reach of that channel.

[danon]

Was Mini's late registration in WRC just an attempt to play hardball? (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/05/was-minis-late-registration-in-wrc-just-an-attempt-to-play-hard/)

Quote: The delay may have been a tactical move by BMW and Mini to convince series promoters to come up with more amicable coverage terms.

[RS]

According to an un-named team source in Autosport magazine this week "it's all very well talking about a third car (for Meeke) but we don't even have the money for the first car yet" so it really sounds as if BMW are putting in little or nothing at all.

I bet Kris now wishes he had signed for Skoda when he had the chance. Even if by some miracle he does some events this year and secures a bigger programme next year this is a big set back for him as he really needed to be out on all events this year to build his experience.

[Plan9]

This photo shows that Mini are at least in Monte Carlo, apparently it shows Dani doing a recce.

Dani Sordo | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/DanielSordo?ref=ts#!/photo.php?fbid=358136874202836&set=a.157566857593173.38423.155581457791713&type=1&theater)

[Andre Oliveira]

I think that is not in Monte Carlo. Just similar conditions and Dani shared with the community because of the proximity of the rally.

[Kielder]

I think that is not in Monte Carlo. Just similar conditions and Dani shared with the community because of the proximity of the rally.

Yes, it was a taking notes' test. Maybe at Cantabria, in the same conditions that are expected during the rally.

[Plan9]

Why would he do that?

[Kielder]

I don't know, but it's said by Dani below the picture.

[Rallyper]

Patrik Sandell to drive Mini in WRC 2012!

Hem (http://www.swedenworldrallyteam.com/)

[mousti]

Would be stupid to publish pics of recce-ing in Monte Carlo when not allowed :D

[wildsir]

Nice idea, and a nice guy I'm sure, but I don't think Patrick can compete with the top guys, even on his home rally.

[tolis]

Patrick will be the 2nd driver of MINI WRT in Sweden.
Video from today's press conference of SWRT: Sweden World Rally Team-presskonferens - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aY9XGFEVeg)

[RS]

Patrik Sandell to drive Mini in WRC 2012!

Hem (http://www.swedenworldrallyteam.com/)

Just for Sweden, or?

Nice for Patrik. I would predict a performance around the level of Henning Solberg, maybe slightly better.

The Swedish touring car driver will also drive a Mini on Sweden, how do you see him doing? Is he as good as Matthias Ekstrom was?

[Rallyper]

Just for Sweden, or?

Nice for Patrik. I would predict a performance around the level of Henning Solberg, maybe slightly better.

The Swedish touring car driver will also drive a Mini on Sweden, how do you see him doing? Is he as good as Matthias Ekstrom was?

He will drive selected rallies this coming year, starting with Rally Sweden. Which rallies will be announced later on.

[gravelman]

Looked at the video, Bjorn is looking a bit unwell, I hope his health is okay

[Plan9]

Will Patrick Flodin be in the picture for the Swedish team? I bet PG is gutted he is now with Proton.

[gravelman]

Will Patrick Flodin be in the picture for the Swedish team? I bet PG is gutted he is now with Proton.

Given his history of using prodrives products, I'd imagine so, but wouldn't be surprised if an R4 impreza was his steed for the season

[Plan9]

Cool. Now all we need is Kenneth Erikkson and we have a party! =p

[milly]

According to an un-named team source in Autosport magazine this week "it's all very well talking about a third car (for Meeke) but we don't even have the money for the first car yet" so it really sounds as if BMW are putting in little or nothing at all.

I bet Kris now wishes he had signed for Skoda when he had the chance. Even if by some miracle he does some events this year and secures a bigger programme next year this is a big set back for him as he really needed to be out on all events this year to build his experience.

This has been coming right from the start of the Mini program - because Prodrive did the deal based on BMW only giving technical and PR support and the right to build the rally car, then Prodrive had to find the money to run the cars through sponsorship and customer car sales.

They haven't found any sponsorship - tried to get BMW to fund it and when that didn't work, blamed the situation with North One. The money has never been there - which is why Toyota, Mazda and Hyundai turned them down 18 months ago.

Prodrive takes big commercial gambles - look at Aston Martin in Le Mans as another one that has gone wrong. They gambled BMW would bankroll the WRC program - BMW said no.

[BDunnell]

This has been coming right from the start of the Mini program - because Prodrive did the deal based on BMW only giving technical and PR support and the right to build the rally car, then Prodrive had to find the money to run the cars through sponsorship and customer car sales.

They haven't found any sponsorship - tried to get BMW to fund it and when that didn't work, blamed the situation with North One. The money has never been there - which is why Toyota, Mazda and Hyundai turned them down 18 months ago.

Prodrive takes big commercial gambles - look at Aston Martin in Le Mans as another one that has gone wrong. They gambled BMW would bankroll the WRC program - BMW said no.

In which case, I find this an astonishing situation. How could it have been expected that sponsorship for a full 2012 campaign would be forthcoming on the basis of a part-season in 2011? What level of success did Prodrive anticipate having in 2011 that would provide the basis for finding that sponsorship? In a championship that's at a low point in terms of public attention, it appears ambitious at best.

[Rallyper]

In which case, I find this an astonishing situation. How could it have been expected that sponsorship for a full 2012 campaign would be forthcoming on the basis of a part-season in 2011? What level of success did Prodrive anticipate having in 2011 that would provide the basis for finding that sponsorship? In a championship that's at a low point in terms of public attention, it appears ambitious at best.

If you have goals and an idea of marketing you could very well fund Minis efforts. And I think BMW should. Don´t know why they don´t want. But IMHO Prodrive should have had backing from BMW. They can afford it.

[AndyRAC]

If you have goals and an idea of marketing you could very well fund Minis efforts. And I think BMW should. Don´t know why they don´t want. But IMHO Prodrive should have had backing from BMW. They can afford it.

Yes BMW probably can afford it. However, they’re not going to get’ value for money’, are they? Which they will with the DTM, despite what many on here may think of that series. A lot of people see mto lay the blame at BMW, but I don’t think they’ve done anything wrong. The deal appears to have been support for development and the first season of the Mini – after that, Prodrive were on their own.
Whatever has happened, the hoped for sponsor hasn’t materialised – despite it seeming very close ti a deal. All this when the new car showed pace and promising results – all which leaves me to conclude the WRC is no were near were it should be.

This fact leaves me wondering whether the people in the WRC are really aware of it’s standing. Ford, Mini without title sponsors, many events without a commercial backer, instead relying on local government/ regional assembly/ tourist boards for support.

[Rallyper]

Yes BMW probably can afford it. However, they’re not going to get’ value for money’, are they? Which they will with the DTM, despite what many on here may think of that series. A lot of people see mto lay the blame at BMW, but I don’t think they’ve done anything wrong. The deal appears to have been support for development and the first season of the Mini – after that, Prodrive were on their own.
Whatever has happened, the hoped for sponsor hasn’t materialised – despite it seeming very close ti a deal. All this when the new car showed pace and promising results – all which leaves me to conclude the WRC is no were near were it should be.

This fact leaves me wondering whether the people in the WRC are really aware of it’s standing. Ford, Mini without title sponsors, many events without a commercial backer, instead relying on local government/ regional assembly/ tourist boards for support.

Well, I think things are not digital - 1 or 0 - so value for money in WRC? Yes. DTM? Also Yes.

You cant say there´s no value for money in WRC, because then neither Ford or Citroen or VW would be there. And for myself I don´t care about which brand wins the DTM: I care what car is doing well in the forests - thet´s rallying. So regarding my piont of view rallying gets value for money. And BMW should think about that.

[BDunnell]

And for myself I don´t care about which brand wins the DTM: I care what car is doing well in the forests - thet´s rallying. So regarding my piont of view rallying gets value for money. And BMW should think about that.

I don't understand what the point is you're making here. Just because you don't care about the DTM doesn't mean to say that it is a worse marketing proposition for a car manufacturer. For BMW I think it's a far better choice than the WRC, given the DTM's enormous popularity in Germany. What, for a start, is the value of BMW taking part in the WRC using a car that doesn't carry its own name?

[milly]

I think this hints at one of the most fundamental problems facing WRC right now - the problems with the TV coverage that has led to poor exposure on stations around the world.

As a result, it's difficult to generate value for the sponsors - especially when it still costs such a lot to compete at WRC level (and the factory teams want sponsorship figures that don't balance up with what the sponsors see as good value).

To me, that means the way forward has to be for WRC to be free to air in major markets of Europe, Asia, America, to generate sponsorship value for money.

[Franky]

For BMW I think it's a far better choice than the WRC, given the DTM's enormous popularity in Germany.

BMW isn't popular in Germany? :O

[BDunnell]

BMW isn't popular in Germany? :O

One still needs to promote one's products, even in one's home market. Look at Ford's presence in British domestic racing for years.

[EightGear]

One still needs to promote one's products, even in one's home market. Look at Ford's presence in British domestic racing for years.

Ford is American though. :)

[mousti]

DTM are all German brand think it was always like that.

[Motorsportfun]

What about the fire into the Prodrive factory? Looks it burned a recce car too...

[Plan9]

I don't understand what the point is you're making here. Just because you don't care about the DTM doesn't mean to say that it is a worse marketing proposition for a car manufacturer. For BMW I think it's a far better choice than the WRC, given the DTM's enormous popularity in Germany. What, for a start, is the value of BMW taking part in the WRC using a car that doesn't carry its own name?

I think you have a point about WRC not benefiting the main BMW brand directly. But;

I would have thought that BMW would have like to promote the Mini brand as an entry level vehicle into the wider BMW family (admittedly the Countryman is not the right car to do this). I would site the way VAG has allowed Skoda to do s2000 rally cars as a good model. What do you think?

I know that DTM is amazaingly popular in Germany. I would be interested to know what its following is like worldwide by comparison.

[RICARDO75]

Video from Dani Sordo testing

http://youtu.be/u1qnk9ndP-0

[Mirek]

Ford is American though. :)

Of course the origins are in US but nowadays Ford Europe and North America are quite a lot independent.

[TyPat107]

Of course the origins are in US but nowadays Ford Europe and North America are quite a lot independent.

And we are starting to see European models, like the new fiesta and the new focus, make their way over here.

[Mirek]

I work on them, so I know :)

[Wasted Talent]

DTM are all German brand think it was always like that.

Apart from when the Martini Lancias were involved ;)

WT

[pantealex]

Apart from when the Martini Lancias were involved ;)

WT

Volvo has won it!
and it was Alfa 155 not lancia...

[Allyc85]

Obviously Mini has had money problems but has there been any developments on the car?

[Andre Oliveira]

Can someone help me with these plates and/or chassis numbers?

Great Britain 11 - Nobre: OU61 DLE Chassis:???

[sindroms]

Prodrive chairman David Richards will step down from the role of team principal in the firm's Mini World Rally Championship programme...
Richards steps back from Mini role - Yahoo! Eurosport (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/13012012/66/richards-steps-mini-role.html)

[Barreis]

They are becoming boring with this Meeke.

[gravelman]

They are becoming boring with this Meeke.

While I concede you have a point, it is a story that is unavoidable, and is also looming at the back of most article readers minds

[wildsir]

They are becoming boring with this Meeke.

If you don't like the British press view on things, dont read it.

I can't see the logic in this move at Prodrive for now.. Maybe all will become clear.

[gravelman]

I think any potential Prodrive sponsor is going to wait at least 4 events to assess the media stance of the WRC and how it may differ from that of November 2011; ie. viewing figures and statistics (real ones, not the airy fairy ones that Ford released after their commitment to the WRC in their YouTube video) of how Eurosprt may deliver real value and exposure to a brand.

Whos going to sponsor something that no one can see?? This is the perspective that marketing departments would have had before the eurosport deal.

[N.O.T]

You guys are beyond professional help if you think that Minis situation derived from that Adonov scandal....

I could accept to find such levels of intelligence from people who like motorsports sitting down with a bag of chips and wearing fanboy hats...but in WRC ???

Oh the humanity....

Or i am getting old and grumpy...

[cali]

You guys are beyond professional help if you think that Minis situation derived from that Adonov scandal....

I could accept to find such levels of intelligence from people who like motorsports sitting down with a bag of chips and wearing fanboy hats...but in WRC ???

Oh the humanity....

Or i am getting old and grumpy...

The last part is defo true :D

[Plan9]

Mini has launched its new 2012 livery. It has l'auto electric and small nokia stickers as well as the BP/Castrol endorsements from last year.

[Red bull]

Mini has launched its new 2012 livery. It has l'auto electric and small nokia stickers as well as the BP/Castrol endorsements from last year.

Any pictures please?

[Plan9]

http://www.bybillwood.com/online/images/stories/monte-studio-shot.jpg

Have a look here.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Reminds me of the old Renault F1 ING liveies from 2007 and 2008 - it's far too busy, and the colours are all wrong.

[MikeD]

I think the L'Auto E.Leclerc sponsor is brought by Campana and will therefor only be on the car for the 4 tarmac events (MC, Germany, France & Spain)

[Red bull]

http://www.bybillwood.com/online/images/stories/monte-studio-shot.jpg

Have a look here.

very nice picture ,thank you.

[mousti]

I think the L'Auto E.Leclerc sponsor is brought by Campana and will therefor only be on the car for the 4 tarmac events (MC, Germany, France & Spain)
Pretty sure that's it's indeed like that..

[Motorsportfun]

I think the L'Auto E.Leclerc sponsor is brought by Campana and will therefor only be on the car for the 4 tarmac events (MC, Germany, France & Spain)

I think so.. :(

[Plan9]

I think the L'Auto E.Leclerc sponsor is brought by Campana and will therefor only be on the car for the 4 tarmac events (MC, Germany, France & Spain)

What is L'Auto E.Leclerc?

Interesting, so are we to expect the livery to change with in sync with the second drivers they bring in; ie will Patrick have something different on the side of the cars in Sweden???

I see Dani has a Red Bull helmet, does this mean there will be some bulls on the car soon?

[BDunnell]

What is L'Auto E.Leclerc?

I assume it's a car-selling arm of the E. Leclerc supermarket chain.

[mousti]

What is L'Auto E.Leclerc?

Interesting, so are we to expect the livery to change with in sync with the second drivers they bring in; ie will Patrick have something different on the side of the cars in Sweden???

I see Dani has a Red Bull helmet, does this mean there will be some bulls on the car soon?
Probably a personal sponsor of Dani..

And yes the livery will change with the second (gentlemen) drivers could be none adding or a sponsor of them. We'll see.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.testrally.com/public/immagini/0013306.jpg

[Barreis]

This looks so good.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/375479_10150608714943083_52634073082_11344281_1094 542501_n.jpghttp://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/409558_10150608714588083_52634073082_11344279_7105 63832_n.jpg

Exhaust system differences

[Andre Oliveira]

So MINI have homolagated new exhaust system?

[Plan9]

What rounds are the Minis doing? I see that Araujo & Sordo's websites have all 13 events listed on them. Can we take it for granted they will be at each event?

I think the picture above shows the difference between a customer and works spec car (re-exhaust pipes).

[Andre Oliveira]

Fire in Prodrive resulted in... a new car for Armindo Araújo (http://translate.google.pt/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fautosport.aeiou.pt%2Fgen.pl%3Fp%3Ds tories%26op%3Dview%26fokey%3Das.stories%2F102707)

[jacko]

Sometimes i don't understand sponsors; Go Fast is steppin' in with Wilson & H.Solberg on privat Ford fiesta's, two drivers who simply are not the best out there and with less testing they would not play any role (again) this year, they never will all agree i think.

Go Fast could have become the main sponsor for the factory MINI team with two very good drivers, top class!
The promotion they would returned as a (major) sponsor was much much more than the situation at Ford.
Missed opportunity (for both).
Hopefully MINI (Prodrive) would find very fast more cash because for now only are confirmed (with only Sordo as the first driver): Monte Carlo, Sweden, Mexico, Portugal, Argentina, Finland and Germany...

[Barreis]

Only Sordo in mini is top class.

[jacko]

Only Sordo in mini is top class.
You can discuss that, point here is that Go Fast Energy could get involved with MINI; with the same investment (i guess) much more pure promotion, not only the results would be better, also TV coverage would always get more attention of the MINI team.
MINI had also more $ to test en develop the car, very important to stand Ford, Citroën (and VW), at the moment they are still close to the others...
With a second car for Meeke and a third one for drivers like Campana & Sandell they will make more progress... anyway; that's not the case, as i said hopefully the situation would be better asap because it's good they are in the WRC.

[Plan9]

Maybe Prodrive should have taken on Van Merkisteijn Motorsport when it was rumored on here they were in talks. Not that they would be any better than Campana IMHO.

We still do not know who will drive the 52 car on gravel events.

Does anyone at Monte have any photos of the cars to put on here?

[TyPat107]

Is there anyhope that with agood result on Monte and a finalization of a promoter for the wrc would better Mini's chances of a sponsor?

[Motorsportfun]

Maybe Prodrive should have taken on Van Merkisteijn Motorsport when it was rumored on here they were in talks. Not that they would be any better than Campana IMHO.

We still do not know who will drive the 52 car on gravel events.

Does anyone at Monte have any photos of the cars to put on here?

Van Merksteijn was never interested to the Mini project, so that was not the case. ;)

Anyway, I agree with what you said about GoFast Energy... becoming a major sponsor of MINI they would get a much better exposure... sponsors are strange, sometimes!

[Barreis]

Seems that they don't need Meeke on tarmac 'cos Campana did good job in MC.

[N.O.T]

Seems that they don't need Meeke on tarmac 'cos Campana did good job in MC.

Meeke would be much faster...but for a shorter period most likely...

[Fly_Half]

Seems that they don't need Meeke on tarmac 'cos Campana did good job in MC.

I hope that comment is laced with sarcasm.

[RS]

Sometimes i don't understand sponsors; Go Fast is steppin' in with Wilson & H.Solberg on privat Ford fiesta's, two drivers who simply are not the best out there and with less testing they would not play any role (again) this year, they never will all agree i think.

Go Fast could have become the main sponsor for the factory MINI team with two very good drivers, top class!
The promotion they would returned as a (major) sponsor was much much more than the situation at Ford.
Missed opportunity (for both).


I agree with what you are saying but it has often been the case in the past that sponsors support slower drivers in all forms of motorsport. I think it depends more who you make friends with.

Most likely Malcolm met with the Go Fast bosses at some point last year and offered them a chance to have their own two car team bearing the "Go Fast World Rally Team" name and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

If they had looked at it from the outside, wanting to come into WRC, it's extremely unlikely they would have selected Henning and Wilson on performance terms.

[Juha_Koo]

and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

Has it ever been properly shown that Malcolm supports Matthew financially? Always the talking about daddymoney but I've never seen anything concrete.

[mousti]

They won't show u that.. And if u don't believe that, u really think for 7 years that several brands would put money in a never improving rallydriver when there are ten - twenty - thirty very hungry young guys who want to go flat out each km with any car they could get to show they got potential ?

[rallyfiend]

I agree with what you are saying but it has often been the case in the past that sponsors support slower drivers in all forms of motorsport. I think it depends more who you make friends with.

Most likely Malcolm met with the Go Fast bosses at some point last year and offered them a chance to have their own two car team bearing the "Go Fast World Rally Team" name and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

If they had looked at it from the outside, wanting to come into WRC, it's extremely unlikely they would have selected Henning and Wilson on performance terms.

Sponsoring a Henning and a Matthew would be to a vast percentage cheaper than funding a full works outfit like Min.

Yes, the results may be better, but you need to have the cash to start with.

And yes, you may say that Mini would be better off taking something rather than nothing - but as soon as you do, you set the value and you then price yourself out of the market from a full freight deal.

[Juha_Koo]

They won't show u that.. And if u don't believe that, u really think for 7 years that several brands would put money in a never improving rallydriver when there are ten - twenty - thirty very hungry young guys who want to go flat out each km with any car they could get to show they got potential ?

So there isn't anything concrete...

It's actually not what I believe or I want to believe, it's what sponsors believe (or are made to believe). For a notable amount of time (and now that Meeke is away, he's again), Wilson was the "fastest" British driver in WRC. Sponsors who are just looking for nice sponsoring targets may not know how things really are as there's no hardcore rally fans in the cabinets - all they have are these eulogistic introduction leaflets etc. promoting the guy as a top athlete improving all the time, one day being so good that he wins the world championship. Also the non-rally enthusiastic general public seems to have (or had) some faith in Matthew if we believe Youtube comments etc.

[Brother John]

Back on topick please. this is the Prodrive Mini Thread.

[Juha_Koo]

Back on topick please. this is the Prodrive Mini Thread.

Honestly speaking I don't like this new (or your?) moderating style. Interesting discussions end before they start because of too precise classifying to certain matters. There's also been very confusing situations when in some threads something has been totally relevant but for some reason someone has seen it irrelevant and it has been deleted or transferred. If there happens to be a break from the forum then, it gets really confusing.

[MikeD]

I agree with what you are saying but it has often been the case in the past that sponsors support slower drivers in all forms of motorsport. I think it depends more who you make friends with.

Most likely Malcolm met with the Go Fast bosses at some point last year and offered them a chance to have their own two car team bearing the "Go Fast World Rally Team" name and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

If they had looked at it from the outside, wanting to come into WRC, it's extremely unlikely they would have selected Henning and Wilson on performance terms.

I agree. The whole idea of 'Go Fast' should have gone with MINI is only relevant if the price of sponsoring those two teams were the same ... and they are not. Sponsoring an M2/MT team is of course cheaper and I also bet that Go Fast have paid full price for HSolberg whereas it has been a symbolic low amount for Slowson.

By the way, the sponsorship was so far only for Monte - not for the full season and after the really poor results in MC I doubt they will continue.

[dimviii]

By the way, the sponsorship was so far only for Monte - not for the full season and after the really poor results in MC I doubt they will continue.
really Mike?Only for Monte?

[RS]

So there isn't anything concrete...

It's actually not what I believe or I want to believe, it's what sponsors believe (or are made to believe). For a notable amount of time (and now that Meeke is away, he's again), Wilson was the "fastest" British driver in WRC. Sponsors who are just looking for nice sponsoring targets may not know how things really are as there's no hardcore rally fans in the cabinets - all they have are these eulogistic introduction leaflets etc. promoting the guy as a top athlete improving all the time, one day being so good that he wins the world championship. Also the non-rally enthusiastic general public seems to have (or had) some faith in Matthew if we believe Youtube comments etc.

If there are guys in companies controlling several hundred thousand euros marketing budget and they don't do some serious research before signing these deals then they don't deserve their jobs.

[BDunnell]

If there are guys in companies controlling several hundred thousand euros marketing budget and they don't do some serious research before signing these deals then they don't deserve their jobs.

This has always been my thought. Now, though, the events of recent years have demonstrated that common sense is often sadly lacking in the corporate world.

[gravelman]

Has anyone checked out their website?? No way are go fast energy in the same league as red bull or monster in terms of promotion or budget by the looks of their website and the athletes they support. Money is money, but prodrive and mini require more than what these guys probably have to offer. Check out the site and draw your own conclusions.

[MikeD]

really Mike?Only for Monte?

According to Colin on WRR and M.Wilson, then yes.

[dimviii]

According to Colin on WRR and M.Wilson, then yes.

Thanks Mike, didn t hear that.
So Wilsons and Solbergs cars will be at Sweden with what colors?

[MikeD]

Thanks Mike, didn t hear that.
So Wilsons and Solbergs cars will be at Sweden with what colors?

Don't know - Are they even entered for Sweden?

[dimviii]

Don't know - Are they even entered for Sweden?
Yes both
Entries « Rally Sweden (http://www.rallysweden.com/the-rally-2012/entries?lang=en)

[MikeD]

Yes both
Entries « Rally Sweden (http://www.rallysweden.com/the-rally-2012/entries?lang=en)

Then it will be interesting to see how Go Fast will evaluate their effect of the MC sponsorship? Lot of talk about the brand, but very poor results in the rally itself.

[tfp]

Has anyone checked out their website?? No way are go fast energy in the same league as red bull or monster in terms of promotion or budget by the looks of their website and the athletes they support. Money is money, but prodrive and mini require more than what these guys probably have to offer. Check out the site and draw your own conclusions.

You arent kidding about the website, I think the cleaner designed this site ;)