Rally Sweden 2011

[MartijnS]

Loeb next split 4.11.4, last year 3.54.2 ;)

[WRCfan]

Good news there! Waiting for a few more splits in then will see how the sweeper/new car syndrome is to play out for us...

[WRCfan]

Ogier off to a slow start. 9.4 slower after 6 km...4th on road.

[Huufke]

Ogier losing quite a lot of time..

[jonkka]

G' morning fellas, long time no see... Interesting start, I have to say. Henning fastest on split 1? Snowy conditions, perhaps..

[WRCfan]

Latvala 27 seconds quicker than Loeb. Massive time difference because of road sweeping...

[MartijnS]

Latvala 27,3 seconds faster than Loeb :D

[jonkka]

Whaaaat? Loeb must have made mistake at the end.

[jonkka]

Yeah, also Petter so much faster - it's gotta be a mistake from Loeb's side...

[mm1]

This is geting interesting. Mat 20 sec loosing to Loeb in second split, maybe he should step out of the car in the middle of the stage and hide in the Swedish woods, that would be less embarasing, than finishing behind group N cars.

[N.O.T]

Terrible time by Loeb....

[MartijnS]

Wow, Hirvonen 14.3 quicker than Latvala!!

[Juha_Koo]

Whaaaat? Loeb must have made mistake at the end.

No, just sweeping...

Mikko 14 secs faster than JM!

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Very very difficult to be first on the road. Lot of snow, we were completely stopped. I'll loose lot of time today."

from rally.cz

[jonkka]

Look at Mikko? Back with vengeance - or benefiting from the road conditions...

[ELPE]

Loeb is running first, i think there is a lot of snow on the road för hte first car!

[WRCfan]

Loeb said at the stage end there is nothing he can do but keep the car on the road. Hirvonen just in, 14 seconds faster than Latvala, Loeb is 31 seconds slower as first on the road than Hirvonen 5th or 6th on road. Big difference.

[tolis]

Go Wilson, GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :)

[wwbroe]

What a great time for Matthew, he is getting closer to his objective. :D :D :D

[N.O.T]

Great start by anderssson ..... lets see

[MartijnS]

Ostberg fastest! Very nice :D

[rage82]

MAds fastest on the stage

[Juha_Koo]

What a great time for Matthew, he is getting closer to his objective. :D :D :D

Ummmmmm, we have a problem with the, ummmmm, the power steering. It's getting, ummm, really stiff everytime we get, ummmm sideways.

[tolis]

Although lacking any of the body damage boasted by the other WRC drivers Matthew Wilson crosses the finish with a time of 16m26s. When asked about the stage he remarked there was 'Something wrong with power steering,' and it was '..really difficult to get any feeling with the wheel'.
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-sweden/live-text/

[N.O.T]

OSTBERG !!!!! YES !!!!

Raikonen out of the stage ..amazing result. he did not crash !!!

[tolis]

PG lost a minute... :(

[HarriK]

Good morning!
Lots of action as i assumed!

[N.O.T]

RÄIKKONEN K. / LINDSTRÖM K. "We spun in one place, hit the bank and stuck, had reverse." from rally.cz

A disgrace compared to Kubica the rallyman.

[J.Lindstroem]

There will be no swedish winner after all. ****!

Ok anyway, im glad for Östberg and Hirvonen!

[N.O.T]

Andresson 3rd fastest...

Ah its 15.48 not 14.....

[Juha_Koo]

PG rolled the car on it's side, didn't say anything to WRR, Swedish reporters telling that he was really, really devastated. :( One minute lost before it even started really.

[Krigen]

Madmads :)

[tolis]

6th fastest for Sandell!!!

[Krigen]

Great time for Sandell..

[WRCfan]

PG still in it, road position is good for him...

[N.O.T]

The times set by the s2000 cars of sandel and Brynildsen show that the new WRCs have a loooong way to go.....

[kolvas]

Flodin was also off, it looks like it´s really difficult and slippery


Really good time for Östberg

[Juha_Koo]

Ketomäki has been few minutes in the snowbank. Damn, hope he can climb up again.

[rage82]

Can't believe guys! Grondal fastest than Block and Wilson

[mm1]

Why does WRC have long way to go, who said that the time difference should be greater, than it is now. And keep in mind that road conditions change dramaticaly with each car passing, although you don`t have snow in Greece, and that could be hard to understand for you.

[Viking]

2 sek/km WRC vs S2000 is wery much like last year, to early too say anything really.

MadMads WOW :up: if only it would last...

[Juha_Koo]

LOL awesome stuff by the WRR. :D

[N.O.T]

Why does WRC have long way to go, who said that the time difference should be greater, than it is now. And keep in mind that road conditions change dramaticaly with each car passing, although you don`t have snow in Greece, and that could be hard to understand for you.

we do have snow in greece....this is a misconseption about my country....85% of greece are mountain areas.....

[FabiaFan]

2 sek/km WRC vs S2000 is wery much like last year, to early too say anything really.



The WRC drivers are the same like last year BUT the top SWRC drivers are different...! So I assume, the gap is smaller. Imagine Ketoma, Hanninen, Mikkelsen or PGA driving the SWRCs now... Although, it really is a little bit too soon...

[Mirek]

The times set by the s2000 cars of sandel and Brynildsen show that the new WRCs have a loooong way to go.....

Who cares? For me the most spectacular cars were the old Gr.A Celica ST165 or Subaru Legacy and those were bloody slow compared to modern cars.

[Mirek]

PG rolled the car on it's side, didn't say anything to WRR, Swedish reporters telling that he was really, really devastated. :( One minute lost before it even started really.

It's not over. Still a long way to go. Keep my fingers crossed for him :)

[HarriK]

Hopefully this was Ketomäki's only mistake now in Sweden... i do remember last year when he had good run until brake problem...

[mm1]

For me it was gpA Escort, who cares that even a modest gpN car is now faster. And about snow in Greece, I belive you N.O.T, but I don`t think you have had too many rallys there :) .

[ridder]

First SS reduced the number of candidates for the win to 4. Østberg, Hirvonen, Latvala, Solberg. Tomorrow and on Sunday it should be clear weather with no new snow, so running position won't matter much.

PG can't take a minute back
Loeb will loose even more and he can't take this much back on snow
Ogier is there for second time and is not quite into it yet

Too early to say perhaps... perhaps not.

[Livewireshock]

Good Evening to everyone on my side of the world, good morning to everyone else.

Interesting first stage, the weather conditions are really making a difference as well as the new WRC cars. So it no wonder that there is a big mix amongst the cars.

[FabiaFan]

First SS reduced the number of candidates for the win to 4. Østberg, Hirvonen, Latvala, Solberg. Tomorrow and on Sunday it should be clear weather with no new snow, so running position won't matter much.

PG can't take a minute back
Loeb will loose even more and he can't take this much back on snow
Ogier is there for second time and is not quite into it yet

Too early to say perhaps... perhaps not.

Courageous to say already now... We do not know how much damaged the car of PGA is, this is the greatest unknown... I would also skip Ostberg from your list, he simply can't be ready yet...

[N.O.T]

For me it was gpA Escort, who cares that even a modest gpN car is now faster. And about snow in Greece, I belive you N.O.T, but I don`t think you have had too many rallys there :) .

No we don't our drivers or the majority are a bunch of wussies who are nothing without their illegal recce and 100 passes through the stages.....sad...but true.

[mm1]

Has anybody used the official WRC app, they still have 2010 season. They are`nt trying to imporove things one bit. Also the mess with splits today and results yesterday.

[MartijnS]

Theres a WRC 2011 app allready, but irally is better.

[Viking]

ss3 is live

[HarriK]

Any news about Laivola and Breen? I supposed some snow banks hitting maybe...

[N.O.T]

Poor Loeb... all he can hope for now s a podium if he is lucky enough.

[N.O.T]

Solberg on a charge on the second stage....Loeb also upped the pace, maybe conditions are not that bad.

[N.O.T]

the new cars actually exposed all the useless drivers even more....sick little kids like Wilson and kimmi cannot be faster than the s2000 now that the cars are closer....last year the cars did the work for them now they take a beating like dogs without owners.

[mm1]

And that`s a good thing. Maybe they understand on their own that they are "uselss nobodys".

[N.O.T]

Latvala lost around 5 seconds between the last split and the end of the stage.

[pettersolberg29]

Well done Petter - another great time (at least until Mikko arrives)

[Juha_Koo]

Can anybody else see the live from Sandell's car in Viasat Motor's Facebook page? I click "Visa Patrik Sandell" but nothing happens. I guess it's only for the stages?

[N.O.T]

Conditions are very bad....ogier fastest so far.

[ridder]

Ogier is learning very fast ... again

[MartijnS]

Ostberg his second split is really fast again.

[N.O.T]

Ostberg FLIES once more !!!! GO MADS !!!!

[MartijnS]

Ostberg fastest splits again!

[pettersolberg29]

Ostberg's pace incredible again!

[jonkka]

Yeh, Mads is gonna keep his lead and increase the gap even...

[pettersolberg29]

Hate to mention it again, but it seems Wilson has got slower as even Al-Qassami and Kimi are significantly faster than him in the splits.

[Mirek]

He said he had steering problems. It's not necessary to be harsh on him every single second...

[N.O.T]

lets see how long before Wilson starts throwing offers towards ostebergs side to make him slow down for his kiddies to pass.

[Viking]

:crazy: Mads Østberg :crazy:

[N.O.T]

Andersson seems like he is going to win the stage....

[miksu]

the new cars actually exposed all the useless drivers even more....sick little kids like Wilson and kimmi cannot be faster than the s2000 now that the cars are closer....last year the cars did the work for them now they take a beating like dogs without owners.

nah, i dont think so. More simple the cars are, its easier for kimi.

[N.O.T]

Prokop just 2 seconds slower than Loeb..... poor seb he suffers.

Slowson is makes me sick.....

[Viking]

updating this page is even slower than the timingsystems at wrc.com PG 1sec faster than Mads

[Juha_Koo]

What?!?! PG lost a minute again?!

[N.O.T]

nah, i dont think so. More simple the cars are, its easier for kimi.

no you are wrong sorry.

the time went crazy in the WRC.com split times site.

[A.F.F.]

Good morning :wave:

It's been a while so can some nice soul give a link to functional result page. SOme things change but wrc.com doesn't work :mark:

[N.O.T]

no PG equal time with Ostberg...

[Livewireshock]

Can Sandell really be that fast????? 7minutes???????????

[N.O.T]

sandel faster than Loeb......

hopefully the people who claimed the cars are going to be equal to last years are going to shut their mouths now.....

[Livewireshock]

I think there is a timing problem, now getting errors connecting to the timing site.

[N.O.T]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=4&filtr=

for results go here....the wrc.com is a piece of rotten potato....amateurs.

Rally.cz is the best when it comes to reults for me...plus you can spend your time browsing through Griils between stages is you are a fan of roast meats like myself.

[[WRCRR]]

Does anybody else absolutely hate the WRC.com rally radio? I mean, the people are like the most annoying and ignorant bunch of morons...they talk about useless crap all the time...cant listen its so annoying!

Is there some link I can listen to the Swedish rally radio on the web?

And the results service is total joke once again...sigh.

[Juha_Koo]

no PG equal time with Ostberg...

No it's not, he lost a minute again... Look at the minutes, the seconds sre the same yes, but not the minute. Minute error or PG off again on SS3? :eek:

[Viking]

on Swedish rallyradio they had PG one sec. faster than Mads at the stage end, both said they were driving steady in the middel of the road :)

[N.O.T]

Ketomaki probably out...

[logic]

Will be interesting tomorrow.

[HarriK]

http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/direkt/204.rtmp

damn Ketomäki.... :mad:

[FabiaFan]

Sandell!!! Just imagine Hanninen would be driving!!

[N.O.T]

No it's not, he lost a minute again... Look at the minutes, the seconds sre the same yes, but not the minute. Minute error or PG off again on SS3? :eek:

nope you are wrong

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=4&filtr=

http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-sweden/stage-times/

e actually is ahead of Loeb now overall.

[A.F.F.]

Cheers N.O.T. for the page but you should remember that I'm more keen to tomatocan-based delicates ;)

This new rally forum .... is awfully slow for me and I can't even answer with quote, doesnt' open the possibility, just keep on refreshing the page. :down:

[HarriK]

This new rally forum .... is awfully slow for me and I can't even answer with quote, doesnt' open the possibility, just keep on refreshing the page. :down:

same here :/

[Roy]

Ford factory team beaten by B-team. Citroen are beaten by Fords.
Exiting for so far!

[N.O.T]

Cheers N.O.T. for the page but you should remember that I'm more keen to tomatocan-based delicates ;)

This new rally forum .... is awfully slow for me and I can't even answer with quote, doesnt' open the possibility, just keep on refreshing the page. :down:

i agree the server is very very slow......its annoying....

[[WRCRR]]

http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/direkt/204.rtmp



Huge thanks HarriK! Now THIS is quality! Heja Sverige!

[Viking]

Grøndal rules PWRC :up:

[Fly]

Mats Jonsson (Swedish championship as you know) set 3rd time overall on Vargasen. And group N leader Nyman faster than Loeb.

We'll have to wait for the second loop to draw some conclusion between cars and between drivers.

[A.F.F.]

I've been listening wrc-rally radio for half an hour and of the ongoing rally, I've learned that Östberg leads. Then I've learned that some female lives in Los Angeles, bunch of other pointless crap and some songs.

[A.F.F.]

Eye of the tiger ??? Now there's a song I haven't heard.

Does anybody know the faith of Ketomäki ???

[N.O.T]

Mats Jonsson (Swedish championship as you know) set 3rd time overall on Vargasen. And group N leader Nyman faster than Loeb.

We'll have to wait for the second loop to draw some conclusion between cars and drivers.

really ? new cars are pieces of junk...well done to the ones who tried to persuade us with stupid and incoherent walls of physics and stupid numbers that the cars are going to be equal ......pffffttt....change the sport you are watching you ain't worth it.

[Mirek]

You're getting a bit annoying...

[N.O.T]

I've been listening wrc-rally radio for half an hour and of the ongoing rally, I've learned that Östberg leads. Then I've learned that some female lives in Los Angeles, bunch of other pointless crap and some songs.

Rally radio is a waste of resources.

[Mirek]

According to a friend there, it's now blue sky. No more snowing.

[N.O.T]

stage 4 started....

[MartijnS]

Yes, sun is shining according to Patrik Sandell on twitter :)


patriksandell Patrik Sandell
Second stage also good, and now the sun is shinning!!

[N.O.T]

You're getting a bit annoying...

after all the abuse i got from the little humans making fun of me because i was saying that the cars looked slow on videos...its time for some payback.

[Viking]

seems like Latvala has no front spoiler on his car after ss3, could loose him some time maybe.. They said on the radio that "the plastic" stuck better on the Citroens :D

[Mirek]

after all the abuse i got from the little humans making fun of me because i was saying that the cars looked slow on videos...its time for some payback.

Hmm, I really don't like reading same comment 5x per page and I'm sure I'm not the only one...

[Juha_Koo]

Latvala stopped at SS for a moment. Spin possibly.

[A.F.F.]

Latvala stopped on stage ???

[J.Lindstroem]

Mats Jonsson (Swedish championship as you know) set 3rd time overall on Vargasen. And group N leader Nyman faster than Loeb.

We'll have to wait for the second loop to draw some conclusion between cars and between drivers.

Do you have a link to the swedish championship results? Thank you! =)

[ridder]

really ? new cars are pieces of junk...well done to the ones who tried to persuade us with stupid and incoherent walls of physics and stupid numbers that the cars are going to be equal ......pffffttt....change the sport you are watching you ain't worth it.

a) cleaning the road has quite a lot to say, let's see after some "normal" stage, 2 years ago there was this rally in Norwegian championship where Østberg in Impreza was loosing 1,5 min+/stage to subaru-cup group N imprezas... oh and Bryndilsen who was the only one allowed longer studs was 30sec+ faster than other group N cars with similar drivers.
No idea what tires they are running on in swedish championship, but the road position difference is huge.

b) it doesn't matter at all to me if new WRC cars are 1s/km or 5s/km quicker than S2000/grp N or whether they are 0.5s/km or 5s/km slower than old WRC....
They are more spectacular (especially fiesta vs focus which was extremely boring to watch) and there are now more pilots fighting for the top, if they will also make it possible for very good S2000 pilots to beat slow WRC drivers then even better.

[noel157]

Cheers N.O.T. for the page but you should remember that I'm more keen to tomatocan-based delicates ;)

This new rally forum .... is awfully slow for me and I can't even answer with quote, doesnt' open the possibility, just keep on refreshing the page. :down:

+ 1. Very slooooow.

[Mirek]

Do you have a link to the swedish championship results? Thank you! =)

http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/resultat/tavling.jsp?tavling=456

[N.O.T]

Poor Loeb...the suffering continues...

Latvala back to his habbits....its a pity.

GO SWEDES !!!!

[Viking]

I think swedish championship cars are running the old-style narrow tyre, would make big difference...

[HarriK]

Why on earth the rally radio doesn't use this: http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-sweden/live-text/?leg=1&stageno=4

???? Some ****chat only... POOR!!!

[rage82]

Ogier also stopped for a second

[Juha_Koo]

Ogier stopped briefly on the stage. Not the same place with JM.

[bluuford]

Yes, sun is shining according to Patrik Sandell on twitter :)

Well, current weather models are telling that there will be no snowfall in this week on the rally region. Not a single snowflake.

[N.O.T]

Crazy time by Solberg.....Latvala lost a lot.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen fastest now... lets wait to see the locals.

[A.F.F.]

Way to go Mikko !!!!

Apparently car lenght causing troubles :eek: Reacts too quickly on slippery surface and spins.... Latvala must feel like in amusement park :)

[N.O.T]

the swedes are going strong...especially anderssons 1st split looks very very promising....

[Livewireshock]

Henning's first split time would mean he started the stage a minute early, to be 2 minutes quicker, when it only took Leob 1 minute to get there.

[rage82]

What a time for Hening guys. He's really flying

[Juha_Koo]

Incredible time for Östberg! Fakken hell!

[N.O.T]

Ostbergs times 1 split before the end is just phenomenal.....

[Viking]

Henning said he has fixed a problem on the car... and then....Mads Østberg :up:

[Krigen]

great from Mads :) ..Good from Kimi too :)

[Viking]

PG problem??

[Mirek]

I'm wondering if I hate more how slow the forum is or how non-working the official splits are...

[Juha_Koo]

PG having massive problems, Prokop has passed PG on the stage.

[A.F.F.]

Östberg really cope well with new machinery :eek: Way to go Mads :up:

[MartijnS]

Puncture probably according to Prokop.

[Krigen]

Puncture for PG :(

[Rally Hokkaido]

puncture for PG, stopped to change it

[Mirek]

Sandell :D

[Krigen]

Sandell is FAST..

[Krigen]

And Eivind :o Wooow

[Viking]

What about Brynhildsens time then... :D

[J.Lindstroem]

I guess faith did'nt want PG to win this rally... But anyway way to go Mads, really impressive driving!

BTW i dont like the fact that it seems to be possible for a S2000 car to win a wrc event. Sandell is 6th on one of the fastest rallys on the calendar, imagine how it could turn out on the rallies where speed is not so important. But maybe this is just the start and the 1,6 T cars will be developed into better cars that S2000 cars cant beat.

[Livewireshock]

The S2000 are on fire!!!!

[Mirek]

Heh, Brynildsen even faster. The road conditions must change a lot with more and more cars through.

[Halvis]

Incredible with Mads, I assumed he would do good, but this is just insane!

I like it, even if it f*cs up my Pickems - can't really understand why I didn't check the weather before posting them :)

[A.F.F.]

IF ONLY Ketomaa would have been there with S2000 machinery !!!!

[J.Lindstroem]

Four norweigans in the top six on this stage. Suits the stage well when it actually goes through norway. :)

[Mirek]

BTW i dont like the fact that it seems to be possible for a S2000 car to win a wrc event. Sandell is 6th on one of the fastest rallys on the calendar, imagine how it could turn out on the rallies where speed is not so important. But maybe this is just the start and the 1,6 T cars will be developed into better cars that S2000 cars cant beat.

In my opinion it's just about road conditions. This can't repeat often. Do You remember how McShea with slow Proton drove in Ireland or when someone with gr.N car won icy stage in Monte Carlo in 1990'? Or this year when R1 car was 10th in stage on Monte? Normally it can't happen but sometimes the conditions make it better for late cars ;)

[J.Lindstroem]

I know road position has a lot of influence. But we hav'nt seen signs of this potential in Mads recent years shen he has been driving the Subaru. This makes me wonder, how bad was actually the Impreza 2008?

[HarriK]

IF ONLY Ketomaa would have been there with S2000 machinery !!!!

Same opinion!

[Juha_Koo]

This makes me wonder, how bad was actually the Impreza 2008?

Very bad. :P

[Viking]

I think road conditions has something to do with it when Anders Grøndal is 7`th on this stage in gr.N Subaru and beating Loeb with 13seconds :D

[bluuford]

Well, interesting morning. Luckily all the new cars are still in the race :-) Clean sweep of stage wins for Ford so far in 2011. Räikkönen faster than Loeb :-P I like when everything is not usual :-)

[ShiftingGears]

I just saw the results thus far and I'm stunned. Never would've predicted a shakeup like this. Hopefully running order won't affect Loeb much more and he will claw his way back.

[Livewireshock]

The boost problems on the Fords will be scrutinised with a fine tooth comb over the service break for the Factory drivers to see if they show signs of it too, plus Matt's power steering issue. Mass test session with the wealth of Fiesta's on stage.

[Wim_Impreza]

PG rolled the car on it's side, didn't say anything to WRR, Swedish reporters telling that he was really, really devastated. :( One minute lost before it even started really.

This means he is going again for crashking, just as he did in 2010.

[Nikey]

Gotta say I love these new cars. Tourists with WRC-cars getting a beating of a lifetime from top-S2000s. I honestly can't understand why someone would prefer last seasons over this.

[Livewireshock]

Will be interesting to see what 'games' will be played this afternoon in regards to start positions tomorrow. It is obvious that the first driver is being heavily penalised, especially with the extreme conditions.

[DonJippo]

Will be interesting to see what 'games' will be played this afternoon in regards to start positions tomorrow. It is obvious that the first driver is being heavily penalised, especially with the extreme conditions.

That's not going to be such a big issue tomorrow or Sunday as it is not going to snow anymore during the rest of the weekend if forecasts are to be believed.

[N.O.T]

Andersson is just throws in the bin what his friends struggled for to get the entry done......his career should be over....reminds me of carlsson in many ways.

[N.O.T]

what is the difference in price between a s2000 and a joke-WRC car ??

[Juha_Koo]

Rally Sweden creating a lot of intrest, wrc.com is having difficulties keeping it steady, every single page loads for ages. Not sure if it's something else, but this forum too seems to have difficulties staying steady.

Very interesting Friday morning, hope it continues like the same. :)

[Mark]

Rally Sweden creating a lot of intrest, wrc.com is having difficulties keeping it steady, every single page loads for ages. Not sure if it's something else, but this forum too seems to have difficulties staying steady.

Very interesting Friday morning, hope it continues like the same. :)

Not sure what it is tbh, I've been monitoring the server and we're well within CPU / bandwidth / memory limits.

[Viking]

That's not going to be such a big issue tomorrow or Sunday as it is not going to snow anymore during the rest of the weekend if forecasts are to be believed.

It will still be an issue, roads will be plowed but it will still be an soft layer on the top for the first cars. But only one who will put his brakes on this afternoon is .. Mikko.... Maybe :)

[DonJippo]

Rally Sweden creating a lot of intrest, wrc.com is having difficulties keeping it steady, every single page loads for ages. Not sure if it's something else, but this forum too seems to have difficulties staying steady.

Very interesting Friday morning, hope it continues like the same. :)

WRC.com Facebook page has following notice:



Due to exceptionally high levels of traffic we are experiencing issues with WRC.com, we are aware of the problems and are currently working hard to fix it. Apologies for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience,

The WRC Team

[Livewireshock]

That's not going to be such a big issue tomorrow or Sunday as it is not going to snow anymore during the rest of the weekend if forecasts are to be believed.

With the weather being different and not having the regular amounts of ice on the road surface, it may not be as predictable as previous years.

[MrJan]

Any chance of a quick update? I've just checked the stage times and it seems Loeb is well down, the Fords are super quick, Sandell is in the running, Wilson is where you'd expect (but apparently has steering issues) and Block is well down.

Are there reasons for Loeb and Block being further down the order than I'd expect? Or is it just them struggling to get pace out of the new car?

[Mirek]

Loeb is sweeping new snow.

[f-cup]

I must say that I'm very disappointed with the performance of the new WRC cars this far. Allthough it's nice to see that there is good competition going on, there should be no way for S2000 cars to get top three in stage times. No matter conditions. Why the new cars had to be made such a powerless piece of junk?

[DIMI44]

.............................................. Räikkönen faster than Loeb................

Tell me that is N O T truth!!!!

[MrJan]

Aah that makes sense, dunno why I didn't think of that. Why's Ken going so slowly? I know he's not quick but I'd expect him to be ahead of Al Qassimi and a few of the others.

[Mirek]

I must say that I'm very disappointed with the performance of the new WRC cars this far. Allthough it's nice to see that there is good competition going on, there should be no way for S2000 cars to get top three in stage times. No matter conditions. Why the new cars had to be made such a powerless piece of junk?

Do You remember this? http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=388&stage=5204&category=&group=&section=

And that was a car which later was found as non-competitive against other S2000...

Or even more crazy thing... http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=94&stage=1643

[JCarlosPP]

Do You remember this? http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=388&stage=5204&category=&group=&section=

And that was a car which later was found as non-competitive against other S2000...

Or even more crazy thing... http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=94&stage=1643

You can Check last year as well...

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=573&stage=10318&category=&group=&section=

Conditions take a big role on it, I think

[Mirek]

I've chosen only normal long stages in purpose ;)

[f-cup]

Do You remember this? http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=388&stage=5204&category=&group=&section=

And that was a car which later was found as non-competitive against other S2000...

Or even more crazy thing... http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=94&stage=1643

Well, no. Did not remember those. But I really don't care, because I think that this is going to more stable situation from now, than those onetimers.

[Mauri A]

[quote="N.O.T"]Andersson is just throws in the bin what his friends struggled for to get the entry done......his career should be over....reminds me of carlsson in many ways.
Do you mean Erik?

[ridder]

I must say that I'm very disappointed with the performance of the new WRC cars this far. Allthough it's nice to see that there is good competition going on, there should be no way for S2000 cars to get top three in stage times. No matter conditions. Why the new cars had to be made such a powerless piece of junk?


Rally Hadeland 2009, SS1 same conditions as today

http://www.rally-hadeland.no/resultater_ss/6?ss=1&use_template=empty

Østberg and Grøndal the first 2 cars on the road are on 49th and 50th place, 1 minute behind... and for example 40 seconds behind group N3 Fiesta STs with FWD

[N.O.T]

Do You remember this? http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=388&stage=5204&category=&group=&section=

And that was a car which later was found as non-competitive against other S2000...

Or even more crazy thing... http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=94&stage=1643

yes yes.....both cases the wrc run on wet tarmac and ice and the gassner and mcshea on dry conditions...

the thing is that theJoke-WRC are stupidly slow....because on equal conditions they are almost as fast as s2000.....lets hope the development comes soon enough.

[Mirek]

Well, no. Did not remember those. But I really don't care, because I think that this is going to more stable situation from now, than those onetimers.

I don't think so. The engine of new cars has similar output as WRC around year 2000. Otherwise they are almost same as S2000. But the difference is way too big (let's say 40-50 Hp and more than 2x torque). In my opinion it's just because when You don't have a traction, You can't use more power and in that moment both S2000 and WRC really are almost equal thanks to same suspension and transmission. But that's rare situation. Anyway I don't see any problem if tourists in WRc are beaten by S2000.

[kobefly]

TituloTitulo
CampoCampo

[Mirek]

yes yes.....both cases the wrc run on wet tarmac and ice and the gassner and mcshea on dry conditions...

Of course not. I saw onboard of McShea from that stage. It was raining like hell and it was completely wet for all.


the thing is that theJoke-WRC are stupidly slow....because on equal conditions they are almost as fast as s2000.....lets hope the development comes soon enough.

This is not equal conditions. We can speak about the same thing later in the season...

[N.O.T]

I don't think so. The engine of new cars has similar output as WRC around year 2000. Otherwise they are almost same as S2000. But the difference is way too big (let's say 40-50 Hp and more than 2x torque). In my opinion it's just because when You don't have a traction, You can't use more power and in that moment both S2000 and WRC really are almost equal thanks to same suspension and transmission. But that's rare situation. Anyway I don't see any problem if tourists in WRc are beaten by S2000.

indeed the fact that the sick dogs like kimi and wilson must now realise that they are nothing without the power oft he WRCs to boost them into the standings...but on the other hand the WRCs should be special cars much faster than the rest which they are not at the moment.

[Mirek]

Why should they? Were WRC way faster than Gr.A when they came? Was it a problem and made it the seasons around 2000 worse? I think that those years were one of the best ever...

[ZequeArgentina]

In the new forum, is there a possibility to block someones comments, so I do not have to skip all his comments??

Regarding the rally and specualtion about differences in cars, I think best is to listen to drivers:
1- Most of them are saying cargo too much sideways because of the shorter wheelbase.

In fast places like Sweden i guess that IS the issue.
Both Mads and PG while faster commented they both tried to drive in thje middle of the road.

Comaprissons with S2000 are useless in such changing conditions, anyway it is very nice to see S2000 cars going so well.

I do think it is good to have S2000 close to new WRC, which is the problem?

[HarriK]

Remember also that tyre supplier(s) have been changed since last year...

[N.O.T]

In the new forum, is there a possibility to block someones comments, so I do not have to skip all his comments??




i think there is an ignore function....search it.

[Julle69]

sick dogs like kimi Kimi actually was sick last week, he even got to hospital for one day but I think is OK now. Wilson's situation is not familiar for me...

[Ondra WRC]

What is the weather? still snowing?

[AndyRAC]

Why should they? Were WRC way faster than Gr.A when they came? Was it a problem and made it the seasons around 2000 worse? I think that those years were one of the best ever...

I too, don't understand why they should be special. The last WRCars were fantastic pieces of kit - but were boring, quiet and didn't show the sport in the greatest light.
The new S1.6T WRCars maybe slower - so what, if they're louder, more of a spectacle and produce more interest - I'd say that was a good thing. They also need driving properly.....it should be noticeable who the better drivers are.

[rage82]

Just to mention - More competition = more interest from media and sponsors = better for the rally sport!

[BleAivano]

What is the weather? still snowing?

no it stopped snowing, weather have been reported to be sunny now.

[swordsman]

Just talked to Daniel Carlsson who is on SS5. He told me that the weather is blue sky and sunny. After all the Swedish Championship cars on the first loop some gravel is slowly starting to show up in the tracks, but conditions are still good. Maybe a little bit disadvantage for Loeb since the last cars in the Swedish field has quite a narrow wheelbase, but way less disadvantage than this morning.

Will be interesting to see! Speeds will be much higher now and if you get out of the track there will probably be no return!

[Ondra WRC]

Ok, thanks.

[N.O.T]

next stage is live

[Camelopard]

In the new forum, is there a possibility to block someones comments, so I do not have to skip all his comments??


Click on his user name and view profile, then you have the option to add him to your ignore list, it's about the 4th option down.

[ZequeArgentina]

"[SS5 - VARGASEN 2]
There is now a 3-min gap between Jari-Matti Latvala as Petter Solberg was a minute late out of service. Petter had to change something on the back end of the car which caused the delay, exactly what was changed is not clear. "


10 seconds penalties for Petter though

[wwbroe]

This forum is so slow, what is happening with it, i am not used to that?

[ZequeArgentina]

Thank you!

[wwbroe]

Ogier seems to be on a charge, as is Mikko.

[N.O.T]

splits are normalised again.....Loeb losing a normal amount this time....

[N.O.T]

Ostberg is on another planet !!!!

[MartijnS]

So is Andersson speed-wise :)

[MartijnS]

Lol, Ostberg doesn't understand why the others are so slow :D

[Krigen]

Mads countinue with his great pace :)

Not so good pace on this forum

[N.O.T]

but its going to be hard for him tommorow

[HarriK]

Petter:
I have changed something on the car, but I cannot say what, because Citroëns are listening." ;)

[Mark]

Sorry for the slowness :( . I've doubled the memory available on the server 2GB => 4GB and increased the mysql buffer size. Other than that I'm not certain...

[Krigen]

PG and Mats scratch time again... S 2000 not so fast now!

[Halvis]

2nd shared fastest time for Mads and PG - what are the odds? Mads is really building advantage, I wonder how long he can drive faultlessly...?

[wwbroe]

Sorry for the slowness :( . I've doubled the memory available on the server 2GB => 4GB and increased the mysql buffer size. Other than that I'm not certain...

Thanks Marc, hope it will help for being faster.

[wwbroe]

Looks like the problem is solved, anyhow i can post a lot faster now.

[Mark]

Looks like the problem is solved, anyhow i can post a lot faster now.

We have enough physical server resources, it's just a matter of configuring things like apache and mysql to allow enough users to access at once.

[wwbroe]

Both S2000's Sanell and Brynildssen still in front of Loeb, that is some surprise after all.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Sorry for the slowness :( . I've doubled the memory available on the server 2GB => 4GB and increased the mysql buffer size. Other than that I'm not certain...

Running much faster ,now.
Cheers for that, Mark!

[N.O.T]

ØSTBERG M. / ANDERSSON J. "I don't understand, I try to drive careful, because I haven't been in this position in the past. I don't know why other cars are so slow." from rally.cz

so i guess he doesn't take any risks yet......

[N.O.T]

We have enough physical server resources, it's just a matter of configuring things like apache and mysql to allow enough users to access at once.

that did the trick :) thank you

[N.O.T]

By the end of the day Loeb will be ahead of the s2000 if all go normal....and tommorow hw can launch his attack and be at least top 5...but it certainly is going to be much harder than previous years.

[6789]

To me this is exciting and that is all that matters!!!

Surprised by Petter's pace. I wrote Mikko off as a contender, clearly he has re-found his confidence (balls). Good too see

[Mintexmemory]

As the only non-Norwegian (2 have predicted him to win) to put Mads in a podium place (2nd) in their Pickem I'm feeling pretty smug. Henning, PG and PS also in my top 10. Maybe people will now revise their views of Henning's ability. Rest of the rally is going to be fascinating. Had to laugh at the WRC site 'experiencing higher than normal activity' - NSS!!

[MartijnS]

Narrow escape for the spectators as well at PG's crash!

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/pg-rolls-on-ss2/?vid=1983&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1

[pettersolberg29]

Maybe people will now revise their views of Henning's ability.

Completely agree. I said in another thread a few weeks ago that I wouldn't be surprised to see Henning win an event this year. The new car suits his style, and I think he is almost as fast as Petter and Mikko, but without the composure and consistency. If Mikko can win events, then I think Henning can.

[Krigen]

The big boys have to start gaining up time on Mads now. or else they will never catch him, unless he have problems.. Will be no problem starting first tomorrow if it will come no more snow.

[Roy]

The big boys have to start gaining up time on Mads now. or else they will never catch him, unless he have problems.. Will be no problem starting first tomorrow if it will come no more snow.

Ostberg is sweeping snow tomorrow. Other drivers catch him then.

[Krigen]

we will see ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

I'm not surprised by Hennings pace . He's always one of the fastest on snow , fighting for the top . On any other rally he is mediocre :)

[Raini]

yes, may be it's the cleverness of the big boys...

[dimviii]

I'm not surprised by Hennings pace . He's always one of the fastest on snow , fighting for the top . On any other rally he is mediocre :)
+1

[wwbroe]

I am not so sure that it is only cleverness, i think they are not able to follow Mads' speed for the moment. It will depend on weather tomorrow to see if they can catch up with him.

[N.O.T]

1-2-3-4 for the fords.... the table is turned.

[billiaml]

1-2-3-4 for the fords.... the table is turned.

:D

[Francis44]

Well it looks like Citroen may consider selling rally cars as fast as they can if they dont want to see 8 or more Ford logo's on top 10 sheet's.

[N.O.T]

next stage is live

[urabus-denoS2000]

Any link for live stage ?

[N.O.T]

no i mean next stage started...not live on tv

[TyPat107]

I understand its a specialist event and that Loeb is sweeping the road, but it makes me smile that he is being beaten by 2 non-turbo s2000 cars

[miksu]

I'm not surprised by Hennings pace . He's always one of the fastest on snow , fighting for the top . On any other rally he is mediocre :)

According to some, and himself too, he should be good on asphalt :) we just havent seen it yet. Lets hope fiesta suits him better, like it should.

[N.O.T]

Loeb seems that he pushed a bit more for this stage....

[HaCo]

Loeb faster than Latvala on the splits. Solberg pretty slow.

[urabus-denoS2000]

no i mean next stage started...not live on tv

I thought so ... :) It is a fact that Henning likes the aggressive Fiesta S2000/WRC more than the lazy Focus , so I think 99% that his results will improve this year

[Co-driven]

Narrow escape for the spectators as well at PG's crash!

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/pg-rolls-on-ss2/?vid=1983&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1


Was really close to the spectators over there.

By the way, he uses some English words on his pacenotes, right? I heard some "brake", "sixty", "in"...

[Krigen]

Loeb seems that he pushed a bit more for this stage....

He has no time too lose.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Videos on wrc.com aren't working ... Such a shame for such a good rally

[miksu]

Wilson started his attack ;)

e: ahh, maybe not :)

[N.O.T]

do not bother with wrc.com ...they are only good for providing splits all other stuff they have are garbage

[TyPat107]

Hirvonen faster than loeb at the last split

[Halvis]

do not bother with wrc.com ...they are only good for providing splits all other stuff they have are garbage

And even that they have problems doing...