Rally Sweden 2011

[Halvis]

Petter slow now, done something wrong with setup?

[N.O.T]

Mr Loeb is back :) :)

[Krigen]

Petter has used up his front tyres, but has 2 new in the car. he will put on for the last stage

[ridder]

Petter slow now, done something wrong with setup?

The change/problem in service?

[N.O.T]

Ogier fastest so far....very nice :) :) Its going to be very very interesting rally the following days.

[Krigen]

Petter has used up his front tyres, but has 2 new in the car. he will put on for the last stage

Same with Ogier

[N.O.T]

SOLBERG P. / PATTERSON C. "Run was OK, but I just destroy front tyres. So narrow stage." from rally.cz

[N.O.T]

Ostberg slower as well.....

Wilson and Kimi are moving jokes....

[Krigen]

Let`s see how Mads and PG come :)

[Krigen]

Kimi has puncture.

[wwbroe]

First besttime for a Citroen coming up or will PG make it?

[ZequeArgentina]

One more confirmation of Ogier´s raw talent. He has the least experience in snow of all at the top, and his performance (considering start position) is really good.

[wwbroe]

It is first besttime for a Citroen and it is for Ogier ;)

[Krigen]

First besttime for a Citroen coming up or will PG make it?

3rd fastest for PG

[ridder]

starting to look a bit like C4 vs Focus..... Ford better when there's very little grip (loose snow, gravel on tarmac), Citroen better when there's tons of grip (snow/gravel with studded tires, tarmac)

[Juha_Koo]

WRC onboard camera guys have installed the internal onboard camera a bit too high on some Fiestas. Ofcourse the rollcage defines what camera positions are available but I'm sure they'll get better angles during the season, looked like few possible bars in a better position..

[kubiczech]

I think this little "turnaround" on stage 6 could be due to tires, destroyed by gravel ... It looks like Sebs used two new tires for this stage, others are saving them on the next stage - lets see if i am right

[Krigen]

I think this little "turnaround" on stage 6 could be due to tires, destroyed by gravel ... It looks like Sebs used two new tires for this stage, others are saving them on the next stage - lets see if i am right

Petter and Ogier have saved tyre for next stage, maybe more.

[Krigen]

Sandell and Brynildsen, is now behind Loeb

[Co-driven]

WRC onboard camera guys have installed the internal onboard camera a bit too high on some Fiestas. Ofcourse the rollcage defines what camera positions are available but I'm sure they'll get better angles during the season, looked like few possible bars in a better position..

I noticed that yesterday too.

I watched videos of Kimi and H. Solberg and both of them made me notice that same thing you said. The onboard cameras are way too high in the cars, and too far right, showing a lot of the co-drivers helmet.

[wwbroe]

Last stage of the day is live, what can we expect. ;)

[swordsman]

We can expect conservative approach from Östberg, attack from PG, fading tyres and maybe a puncture or two because the road is quite worn... :)

[Juha_Koo]

Puncture for Loeb.

[MartijnS]

Puncture for Loeb, lost a lot of time again!

[Krigen]

puncture for loeb

[MartijnS]

Latvala 1.10 min faster :)

[Mirek]

Does anyone know what happened to Kangur?

[kubiczech]

puncture for loeb

...end of the world is coming .... who remembers any puncture for Seb sr.?

[Krigen]

Loeb in deep **** now :o

[noel157]

Splits down again?

"Failed to connect to ServletExec.

Group = wrc-web3a
Address = 127.0.0.1:8888
The error number is 10048"

Edit - Back up finally.

[Mirek]

Looks like Loeb picked up all the bad luck he could today...

[Juha_Koo]

Looks like Loeb picked up all the bad luck he could today...

I can't even imagine what he's thinking right now... The favourite man of ms. Fortuna for the last few years having a great amount of difficulties. I guess the favourite word inside the DS3 is now "merde". :D

[Krigen]

Wilson thinks he push a little bit too hard.

[dimviii]

Looks like Loeb picked up all the bad luck he could today...

never mind,better to have more interesting year than 2010.

[Juha_Koo]

Östberg's plan for tomorrow: "Maximum attack!"

[Julle69]

Puncture for Loeb, lost a lot of time again!

So he is moving joke as N.O.T would say it...

[Krigen]

Mads Østberg leading after day 1.. Well you cant complain this has not been an exiting rally so far.

[nr7wave]

Are we seeing a tendency of the Michelins beeing less reliable than what the Pirellis were?
Before Monte, Petter was worried about all the punctures they got during the pre event test. Does anyone know if the Michelin winter tyres are lighter than what the Pirrelis were? I know the tarmac tyres weigh less and subseqently are less reliable(probably...)

[ZequeArgentina]

1, 3, 5 from Norway
2, 4 from Finland

Nordic domination as we have not seen for quite a long time.

New WRC cars: good reliability so far, all of them at the end with no real trouble.

[Mirek]

Are we seeing a tendency of the Michelins beeing less reliable than what the Pirellis were?
Before Monte, Petter was worried about all the punctures they got during the pre event test. Does anyone know if the Michelin winter tyres are lighter than what the Pirrelis were? I know the tarmac tyres weigh less and subseqently are less reliable(probably...)

Michelins used in IRC are completely different construction. WRC tyres are made under same regulations as Pirelli were so for sure they are heavier than tyres from IRC (tarmac WRC Pirelli compared to IRC BFG was 2-3 kg difference).

[A.F.F.]

It would be SO COOL if Östeberg wins this rally :D

Winds of change at the start of the season... finally some excitment :up:

[Mirek]

SEMERÁD M. / ERNST M. (st. č. 26) Smashed windscreen "Classical things if you pushing and locking lightpod on hood. We drove 2 km with it, but then we had to stop and fix it."

[bluuford]

Very, Very, very exciting day. Looks like during the second pass first starters had even some advantage (maybe less gravel and less pressure for the studs). So, game on for tomorrow. Stage wins 6:1 to Ford, lets see how it changes tomorrow.

Looks, that Michelin tires are bit more fragile indeed or just Loeb used his tires on previous stage a bit too much. So, we have had three punctures for WRCars in first day, that is quite a lot. Well, Maybe the tires are indeed lighter (than last year) because Michelin has some competition by Chinese tire company. Pirelli didn't had any competition last year and the made really stony tires (they didn't need to worry about any competition and performance was not so important).

[Juha_Koo]

Ahahah, great commentary by JM and Miikka in the video when the car is constanly sliding from one snowbank to another. :D

M: Do we have a flat tyre?
J: No... I don't believe.
M: Ok.. It's something else then.
J: No, this is just sooo slippery!
M: REALLY?! (with "no sh*t Sherlock" intonation :D )

[A.F.F.]

Pretty please and sugar on the top.... I've been at the dark side of the moon today and currently at work. Can someone tell me something about Ketomaa??

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_820cb718bf.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_1a447bb7db.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_c0f71d6dfb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_2803ca47cb.jpg

More photos from 1st leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=835&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=) ;)

[bluuford]

Looks like Expert Logos have appeared on the sides of Henning car. Look at Honza picture nr 15 ...and it was pic 34 without expert in shakedown

[COD]

Ketomaa not in this rally. Ketomäki however hit snowbank and damaged cooler and lost oil on the engine and retired.

[dimviii]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_820cb718bf.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_1a447bb7db.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_c0f71d6dfb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_2803ca47cb.jpg


More photos from 1st leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=835&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=) ;)

Excellent photos!!!

[urabus-denoS2000]

I heard that a local maniac set 3rd overall stage time in a Toyota ? :)

[tolis]

http://www.rallysweden.com/ken-block-winner-of-colins-crest-award?lang=en
Congrats Block!!! :)

[tolis]

I heard that a local maniac set 3rd overall stage time in a Toyota ? :)
Maybe 6th overall time in SS2, you mean Johan Carlsson.
http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/resultat/onss.jsp;jsessionid=F2312203D897B4C8C514C591CE0D0C D8?tavling=456&urval=granskad.deltar.ejutesluten.ejdebutant.harss tid1&inkludera=tavlingsklass&sortering=tidss1&rubrik=On%20SS%202
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-sweden/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=2

[A.F.F.]

Ketomaa not in this rally. Ketomäki however hit snowbank and damaged cooler and lost oil on the engine and retired.

Ok, thanks. Does anybody know why Ketomaa didn't participate Rally Sweden?

[nr7wave]

Michelins used in IRC are completely different construction. WRC tyres are made under same regulations as Pirelli were so for sure they are heavier than tyres from IRC (tarmac WRC Pirelli compared to IRC BFG was 2-3 kg difference).

Ok. Thanks for the inlightenment!

[bluuford]

Does anyone know what happened to Kangur?

Well, it was a bit strange...
He was not allowed to start in the afternoon. He could not get 15 inches tires anywhere (because they could not find tires for such a specific car) and had only 16 inches tires. He got the warning on the first day and finally he was not allowed to start in the afternoon.

[Fri]

short video from shakedown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLUTycmqYKQ

[kolvas]

I heard that a local maniac set 3rd overall stage time in a Toyota ? :)

It was Mats Jonsson in a Ford Escort WRC from 1996, his time on SS2 14:54,2
Peter Zachrisson did that stage in 15:16,9 with an Volvo 940

Pontus Tideman has also performed excellent times, I think he should be top 3 in WRC with thoose, 12:15,7 on SS3 (PG 12:10,1) 11:40,0 on SS4 (Östberg 11:36,5)

The times of the "local maniacs": http://193.12.114.105/rally/resultat/tavling.jsp?tavling=456

[Jeppe]

Well, it was a bit strange...
He was not allowed to start in the afternoon. He could not get 15 inches tires anywhere (because they could not find tires for such a specific car) and had only 16 inches tires. He got the warning on the first day and finally he was not allowed to start in the afternoon.

Did he use 15" or 16" in the morning stages 2-4??

I think they were ´a bit´ disappointed after Arctic Lapland Rally. DNF in both days there and the latter of those was because of tyres were not right for his Civic. Hope they come back to Finland (FRC or WRC)!!

[urabus-denoS2000]

Is HANS mandatory in the Swedish championship runners ?

[bluuford]

Did he use 15" or 16" in the morning stages 2-4??

I think they were ´a bit´ disappointed after Arctic Lapland Rally. DNF in both days there and the latter of those was because of tyres were not right for his Civic. Hope they come back to Finland (FRC or WRC)!!

In an interview he was really disappointed and it seems that he didn't had any 15` tires and I assume he drove with 16` tires in the morning as well.
Yes, in Arctic rally he also retired on the second stage? due to the broken gearbox and second day also on the second stage and reason was again tire related (he switched the tires between the stages but was in hurry.. so he didn't fasten everything correctly and soon he lost the wheel on the next stage...).

[urabus-denoS2000]

SS2-SS4

Ostberg 38:29
Jonsson 39:25

That's 56 second difference , which approximately means that Jonsson would be 4th overall , in front of JML :)

[kolvas]

Is HANS mandatory in the Swedish championship runners ?

Yes

[kolvas]

SS2-SS4

Ostberg 38:29
Jonsson 39:25

That's 56 second difference , which approximately means that Jonsson would be 4th overall , in front of JML :)

And Jonssons car is 15 years old and Jonsson himself is about 30 years older than Östberg :s mokin:

[dimviii]

lets see how ''slow'' are the new 1,6t wrc cars.For right comparison i am going to take Likenas2 ss cause it was more clear from snow.ss was the same distance 20,78km,and was for both years at miday.
Comparing from different years in not right,but it is usefull just for reference.
So....
2010 Likenas2 1)Mikko 11.37,7 2)Sordo 11.42,1 3)Loeb 11.48,5 1st s2000 crew Andersson 12.06,5 (+28,8 from ss winner)
2011 Likenas2 1)Ogier 11,39,5 2)Loeb 11.42,8 3)Andersson 11.47,7 1st s2000 crew Sandell 12.12,1 (+32,6 from ss winner)

NOT slow at all!! even with much more worst conditions.
Another point is that according to drivers,smaller wheelbase is not better at high speed rallies as some mates were saying against me. :p


ps On Sunday there is another ss that was same as ss4 at 2010 Torntorp - 19.21 km .Lets wait to see also in this ss the comparison.

[Fri]

pictures from today:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/01_sved/05_pentek_fri/index.htm
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/01_sved/06_pentek_kz/index.htm

[ryland.j]

nice pics :D

[Jeppe]

In an interview he was really disappointed and it seems that he didn't had any 15` tires and I assume he drove with 16` tires in the morning as well.

What? Is it this year mandatory to use 15" rims+ ice tyres even in FWD car??

[dimviii]

pictures from today:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/01_sved/05_pentek_fri/index.htm
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/01_sved/06_pentek_kz/index.htm

nice sick dog!!
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/01_sved/06_pentek_kz/pages/RSHU_Photo_040_jpg.htm

nice photos!

[A.F.F.]

nice sick dog!!
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/01_sved/06_pentek_kz/pages/RSHU_Photo_040_jpg.htm


Like others, I bet he has a rich dad. :mark:

[COD]

China team pulled out at the end of the year, not easy to find money from Finland. Especially on such short notice

[dimviii]

Like others, I bet he has a rich dad. :mark:
NOT!! these with rich dads,are scared dogs

[A.F.F.]

NOT!! these with rich dads,are scared dogs

My mistake, I mixed them with sick dogs ... I guess they're the ones with no talent?

[Zico]

lets see how ''slow'' are the new 1,6t wrc cars.For right comparison i am going to take Likenas2 ss cause it was more clear from snow.ss was the same distance 20,78km,and was for both years at miday.
Comparing from different years in not right,but it is usefull just for reference.
So....
2010 Likenas2 1)Mikko 11.37,7 2)Sordo 11.42,1 3)Loeb 11.48,5 1st s2000 crew Andersson 12.06,5 (+28,8 from ss winner)
2011 Likenas2 1)Ogier 11,39,5 2)Loeb 11.42,8 3)Andersson 11.47,7 1st s2000 crew Sandell 12.12,1 (+32,6 from ss winner)

NOT slow at all!! even with much more worst conditions.
Another point is that according to drivers,smaller wheelbase is not better at high speed rallies as some mates were saying against me. :p


ps On Sunday there is another ss that was same as ss4 at 2010 Torntorp - 19.21 km .Lets wait to see also in this ss the comparison.

Thanks for the times comparisons, very interesting.

N.O.T. should find them enlightening.. :p

[Aquagen]

Todays photos:
http://www.reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/103/

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/16ff54c423be63f27c06ab93b5fd85c5.jpg

[RS]

lets see how ''slow'' are the new 1,6t wrc cars.For right comparison i am going to take Likenas2 ss cause it was more clear from snow.ss was the same distance 20,78km,and was for both years at miday.
Comparing from different years in not right,but it is usefull just for reference.
So....
2010 Likenas2 1)Mikko 11.37,7 2)Sordo 11.42,1 3)Loeb 11.48,5 1st s2000 crew Andersson 12.06,5 (+28,8 from ss winner)
2011 Likenas2 1)Ogier 11,39,5 2)Loeb 11.42,8 3)Andersson 11.47,7 1st s2000 crew Sandell 12.12,1 (+32,6 from ss winner)

NOT slow at all!! even with much more worst conditions.
Another point is that according to drivers,smaller wheelbase is not better at high speed rallies as some mates were saying against me. :p


ps On Sunday there is another ss that was same as ss4 at 2010 Torntorp - 19.21 km .Lets wait to see also in this ss the comparison.

Interesting stats but it would be better to compare Sandell 2010 with Sandell 2011... However even though I think the new cars are slower like others have said this is not a problem at all if they sound and look more entertaining on the stages. For me the Focus WRC was far more boring to watch than an S2000 car even though it was much faster.

Also it's great that some strong drivers in S2000 cars can compete with or better the slower WRC drivers too now. Looking forward to seeing Juho's performance this year. Would also be interesting to see what the Fabia could do with a 1.6T under the hood.

[dimviii]

My mistake, I mixed them with sick dogs ... I guess they're the ones with no talent?

Thats right.lol!

[Francis44]

Well it looks like what Quesnell was saying about them not being so well prepared for Sweden was true indeed, I hope they can put it together.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looking at the videos and photos so far it doesnt look like the WRC anymore :(

The new WRC cars look so small compared to the Focus and C4... not much better than IRC cars really.

I cant see them bringing in any more fans or viewers ...

[Francis44]

To be honest I miss the WRC cars aswell, but it will probably be a question of time till we get used to the new cars.

[Boudica]

The ESPN round up is showing here at the moment if anyone is interested:

http://mypremium.tv/

[Micke_VOC]

Is HANS mandatory in the Swedish championship runners ?

Yes.

I was on Vargåsen today, the corner were Flodin went off. Lucky for him , there was a lot of swedish "plåtgamar" spectators. =)

Pontus Tidemand doing really fast times in the national championship. He did a mistake on SS2, Vargåsen but else his times is really fast.
( Third and second overall first loop of the stages and around 10 overall if you compare to second loop of the stages)

[dimviii]

Interesting stats but it would be better to compare Sandell 2010 with Sandell 2011..

We cant compare cause Sandell at this ss in 2010.....SANDELL P. / AXELSSON E. (st. č. 24) "In the end we tried to brake, but we went straight, had to reverse but then found, that we have no reverse gear."
He was much slower due to above.

[A.F.F.]

Looking at the videos and photos so far it doesnt look like the WRC anymore :(

The new WRC cars look so small compared to the Focus and C4... not much better than IRC cars really.

I cant see them bringing in any more fans or viewers ...

Having not actually seen them live... knowing they're way more sideways, more noisy... not exactly fair judgement.

[Barreis]

The ESPN round up is showing here at the moment if anyone is interested:

http://mypremium.tv/

Thanks for link.. :)

Tomorrow is on Sport1 at 9:45 am..

[bluuford]

What? Is it this year mandatory to use 15" rims+ ice tyres even in FWD car??

61.6 NON-PRIORITY DRIVERS
When driven by non-priority drivers, all 2WD cars, Gp.R4 and Gp.N 2-litre turbocharged cars may use free
tyres. Such tyres must be in conformity with Appendix J and Appendix V of these regulations.

Appendix V does not say anything about the tyre general dimensions.
Appendix J says:
The rims must imperatively be made from cast aluminium.
a) For rallies on gravel, only 6’’ x 15’’ rims may be used.
For rallies on asphalt, only 7’’ x 17’’ rims may be used.
No word about snow and ice there
In supplementary information there is only description of studs

So, I cannot find the reaosn why he cannot use wider tyres

[Micke_VOC]

Flodin excluded . Wrong rims on the car.
Source; http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/article850966.ece

[Motleybeast]

Thanks for link.. :)

Yes, thanks for link :)

[Ciko]

Two small videos from shakedown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgdcoqKW0eA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSoDDB-famw

[bluuford]

Flodin excluded . Wrong rims on the car.
Source; http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/article850966.ece

Seems that FIA delegates in Sweden do not understand any other word but exclusion. I am currently trying to find the regulation that says: it is not allowed to use 16`tyres for non priority 2WD car. But I cannot find it anywhere. Anyone better than me with searching? However, I found those rules that caused Flodins exclusion. Those rows were even marked in yellow in appendix J.

[N.O.T]

some of you are watching the wrong sport....its good F1 starts in a few weeks

[N.O.T]

lets see how ''slow'' are the new 1,6t wrc cars.For right comparison i am going to take Likenas2 ss cause it was more clear from snow.ss was the same distance 20,78km,and was for both years at miday.
Comparing from different years in not right,but it is usefull just for reference.
So....
2010 Likenas2 1)Mikko 11.37,7 2)Sordo 11.42,1 3)Loeb 11.48,5 1st s2000 crew Andersson 12.06,5 (+28,8 from ss winner)
2011 Likenas2 1)Ogier 11,39,5 2)Loeb 11.42,8 3)Andersson 11.47,7 1st s2000 crew Sandell 12.12,1 (+32,6 from ss winner)

NOT slow at all!! even with much more worst conditions.
Another point is that according to drivers,smaller wheelbase is not better at high speed rallies as some mates were saying against me. :p


ps On Sunday there is another ss that was same as ss4 at 2010 Torntorp - 19.21 km .Lets wait to see also in this ss the comparison.

the fact that you are comparing times between actual stages where conditions change every year is indeed amazing...what is more amazing is that you compare stages in sweden where there are even more factors contributing to the time sheets....for example snowbanks, quality of ice, snow and some others which play an important role.....but i guess a gravel/snow special stage remains in the same condition every year....just like an F1 track...

Also last years likeenas was around 400m longer so i guess the new WRCs are much faster

While on the super special stage where conditions are controlled the new wrcs were 5 seconds slower that last year in the EXACT same (2.9KMs) route.

My brain hurts....

[N.O.T]

another fun fact fromt the likeenas stage...last years route was different than this years, the start was from a different place....go to planet marcus and check the google maps.....LOL

the 2010 edition had a 3 km start which is literally 3 long starights...while the 2011 edition has a 1.3 km twisty section.

Its getting amusing.

[dimviii]

the fact that you are comparing times between actual stages where conditions change every year is indeed amazing...what is more amazing is that you compare stages in sweden where there are even more factors contributing to the time sheets....for example snowbanks, quality of ice, snow and some others which play an important role.....but i guess a gravel/snow special stage remains in the same condition every year....just like an F1 track.......
I ve already wrote that it is not right to compare between different years,it is just for reference.But explain please how you know that the ice was at 2011 faster than 2010?All drivers said the opposite for this year Sweden,due to fresh snow that didn t allow the studs to grip at ice.


Also last years likeenas was around 400m longer so i guess the new WRCs are much faster....
S2000 crews was also very close in time,less than 4 seconds at 20,78 km.Not so different snow/ice...


While on the super special stage where conditions are controlled the new wrcs were 5 seconds slower that last year in the EXACT same (2.9KMs) route.....
You take as a reference a 2,9km ss,while you ignore a true ss with 20,78 km?looooool!!


My brain hurts....
Quickly to doctor.

[N.O.T]

the special stage is on....

[dimviii]

another fun fact fromt the likeenas stage...last years route was different than this years, the start was from a different place....go to planet marcus and check the google maps.....LOL

the 2010 edition had a 3 km start which is literally 3 long starights...while the 2011 edition has a 1.3 km twisty section.

Its getting amusing.
So 2011 edition was slower.....

[N.O.T]

conditions are far better than yesterday....splits are broken again not everything is shown.

[N.O.T]

no sweeping effect today....unlucky for Loeb. At least on first stage.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen stared his charge.

[HarriK]

Good morning!
2 hours now rallying..then must go to uninstall evo 5 gearbox.... :rolleyes:

[jonkka]

Morning

[N.O.T]

Henning rolled....

[dimviii]

Henning rolled!

[N.O.T]

Loeb is coming very fast but not enough.

[Xsara Fan]

Flodin excluded.

[N.O.T]

Loeb 0.1 faster so far...

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "We are trying, but we are too far. No chance to come back."

from rally.cz

[ridder]

now Loeb has 1 min to Ogier..... if Ogier is unable to catch people in front of him (which is quite likely), will he get orders to drop behind Loeb?

[Mirek]

Brynildsen out?

[dimviii]

now Loeb has 1 min to Ogier..... if Ogier is unable to catch people in front of him (which is quite likely), will he get orders to drop behind Loeb?
to early for that imho.

lets see Anderssons time.

[jonkka]

Nope, they are equal says Quesnel. wrc.com start lists say Sandell and Brynildsen should have started before Loeb but no... S2K cars run later...

[N.O.T]

now Loeb has 1 min to Ogier..... if Ogier is unable to catch people in front of him (which is quite likely), will he get orders to drop behind Loeb?

no

[stepunk]

Brynildsen out?

The guys in WRRadio didn't even notice his absence!

[GINE]

2.5 per kilometre the difference of wrc/swrc now...

[dimviii]

2.5 per kilometre the difference of wrc/swrc now...
not so slow new wrc cars.

[GINE]

Citroens back fastest....

[Mirek]

Nope, they are equal says Quesnel. wrc.com start lists say Sandell and Brynildsen should have started before Loeb but no... S2K cars run later...

Sandell was before Loeb...

[jonkka]

Sandell was before Loeb...

Yeh, I noticed - but with no splits so I was distracted.

[N.O.T]

Brynildsen out...engine.

[dimviii]

Guys is it sure that Wilslow drives a wrc fiesta?Same sec/km slower like s2000 cars!lol

[Mirek]

So broken engine for Brynildsen

[GINE]

First broken engine for Skoda in a wrc rally?

[ridder]

Flodin says he got excluded for using too light rims, he says it's same rims he used the whole last year, but that the rules got changed this year.

[dimviii]

First broken engine for Skoda in a wrc rally?
Lambros dont forget that his engine yesterday was running at 3 cylinders for the whole last stage,and the last km of stage 6.This can cause very easy a broken engine.To much km with 3 cylinders....

[Mirek]

Tagirov also out?

[J.Lindstroem]

So Al Quassimi is ahead of Wilson in the overall-standings? Thats crazy! Wilson should be ashamed to be beaten by a middle eastern driver who has SEEN snow a few times in his life.

[Mirek]

So Tagirov in finish but lost almost 10 minutes, I guess in snowbank...

[Krigen]

[quote="dimviii"]Henning rolled![/QUOT

Oh no.

[GINE]

Yes you are right... I remember my worries in 2009 after completing 30 kilometres in three cylinders. But the engine lasted the 90 km of the next day. Lucky me

[N.O.T]

last years sagen stage time was 7.14 min...the stage is exactly the same as last year in route and kms....

[Julle69]

So, Solberg lost 30 sec compared to last year...Are the weather conditions like last year N.O.T?

[Ondra WRC]

On this page will this year again the highlights from WRC? http://wrc.mirafiori.com/wrc_2010/

[N.O.T]

Actually i was wrong about likeenas....the difference is at the end of the stage...the start is exactly the same....this year the route has been altered and they created a new route in the arena section of the finish line. Thus the time was slower last year.

[dimviii]

last years sagen stage time was 7.14 min...the stage is exactly the same as last year in route and kms....
you are in a hurry to prove 1,6 wrc slow.Wait for s2000 crews to finish the stage to compare.
Also you have to decide if we have to compare from previous years or NOT.

[N.O.T]

So, Solberg lost 30 sec compared to last year...Are the weather conditions like last year N.O.T?

i do not know and i do not care....the fact that the wrcs are slower of those of last years is evident in the eye and on the time sheets. if people want to live in a parallel universe its fine by me.

[Julle69]

Yes, it's sure they are slower and now we can compare times in exactly same SS...

[N.O.T]

you are in a hurry to prove 1,6 wrc slow.Wait for s2000 crews to finish the stage to compare.
Also you have to decide if we have to compare from previous years or NOT.

you have to take a lot of parameters....stage times is one....smaller displacement and smaller turbo another...and the fact that they developed the cars for a few months in their full regulations homologation. If you still believe they are on par with the real-WRCs then there is not much we can do to help you.

[GINE]

last years sagen stage time was 7.14 min...the stage is exactly the same as last year in route and kms....

First wrc is 30 sec faster than first swrc in 2010 and 2011. New wrc cars should be about as fast as last year. Maybe just a fraction slower. During the year they will become even faster than the previus cars

[dimviii]

last year faster s2000 car was Andersson at+33,6
if Sandell is fastest this year are very close at +30,6
So another time again 1,6 wrc cars have the same difference with 2,0 wrc cars against s2000 cars
NOT so slow...

edit Lambros catch me inside ss lol

[VFTS]

last years sagen stage time was 7.14 min...the stage is exactly the same as last year in route and kms....

There are different conditions these year. And this year also different tires.....too wide tires compared to last year. That slow the pace on winterconditions.

[Rally Hokkaido]

body damage to Loeb's car - hit a snow bank, suspension OK

[Mise]

First wrc is 30 sec faster than first swrc in 2010 and 2011. New wrc cars should be about as fast as last year. Maybe just a fraction slower. During the year they will become even faster than the previus cars

+ they sound better and go more sideways.
And there's more drivers who can win.
So what's the problem?

[N.O.T]

Last years sandells time was 8:01 this years 8:14 same cars same driver...so the stage is a bit slower this year but not by 40 seconds

[dimviii]

If you still believe they are on par with the real-WRCs then there is not much we can do to help you.
Nice try, but ss times says that somebody else need help.

[dimviii]

Last years sandells time was 8:01 this years 8:14 same cars same driver...so the stage is a bit slower this year but not by 40 seconds
last year Sandell was slower than subarus.....learn to compare right. :D

[Julle69]

Kimi continues solid driving, hope he can do it whole weekend...

[N.O.T]

7:53 Sandells (he wasn't slower than any subarus during that pass) best time on the stage during pass 1 then in 2010...still 20 seconds with his time today....so the wrc of today lose around 10 seconds from those of last years (7:43-7:13 minus the 20 seconds from stages disadvantage of this years) in a 14kms section.....so around 0.8/km. still believe they are as quick ?

[N.O.T]

Kimi continues solid driving, hope he can do it whole weekend...

fighting with wilson is not considered solid.

[dimviii]

7:53 Sandells best time on the stage during pass 1 then in 2010...still 20 seconds with his time today....so the wrc of today lose around 10 seconds from those of last years (7:43-7:13) in a 14kms section.....so around 0.8/km.

Sandell at 2010 was loosing continously from Subarus of Tanak,Flodin and was much slower than faster s2000 crews.To compare Sandell with such low speed at 2010 to see if 1,6 wrc are fast IN 2011 is FAIL!

[N.O.T]

sandells times from sagen 1.....

http://2010.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=251&filtr=

i do not see any subarus infront...do you ? you refer to second pass thats why you see the subarus infront

[N.O.T]

Sandell at 2010 was loosing continously from Subarus of Tanak,Flodin and was much slower than faster s2000 crews.To compare Sandell with such low speed at 2010 to see if 1,6 wrc are fast IN 2011 is FAIL!

i used a same driver with the same car to see if the stage is any slower. because 40 in 14kms seconds seemed a lot to be honest.....the stage is indeed slower but still the cars are slower around 1sec/km....which is as expected.

[dimviii]

sandells times from sagen 1.....

http://2010.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=251&filtr=

i do not see any subarus infront...do you ? you refer to second pass thats why you see the subarus infront

Greg last year Sandell wasn t from the fast crews with s2000 cars.Imho we have to compare fastest s2000 crew at stage,if we want to have some near right comparison.
About Viggen 1 again Sandell was equal with Flodin with scooby.Also at whole rally was slow if you see all special stages.No near fast with other s2000 crews.

[N.O.T]

and again if you compare the time....sandell was 40 seconds slower that the scratch time last year during 1st pass and he is 30 seconds slower this year than the scratch...simple math.

no reason to discuss any further.....this argument made me even forget how useless kimi and wilson are...

[Wim_Impreza]

Sandell at 2010 was loosing continously from Subarus of Tanak,Flodin and was much slower than faster s2000 crews.To compare Sandell with such low speed at 2010 to see if 1,6 wrc are fast IN 2011 is FAIL!

I agree.

Hopefully this year won't be another Loeb year, as a snow rally is usually not so predictable as other rallies.

[N.O.T]

Greg last year Sandell wasn t from the fast crews with s2000 cars.Imho we have to compare fastest s2000 crew at stage,if we want to have some near right comparison.
About Viggen 1 again Sandell was equal with Flodin with scooby.Also at whole rally was slow if you see all special stages.No near fast s2000 crews.

the fastest crew is not the same driver.....so you compare different things....Andersson can be a better or worse driver than sandel......when you compare things you must keep as many constants as possible for safe results.

[Sulland]

you have to take a lot of parameters....stage times is one....smaller displacement and smaller turbo another...and the fact that they developed the cars for a few months in their full regulations homologation. If you still believe they are on par with the real-WRCs then there is not much we can do to help you.
And last but not least, a new tyrebrand. Not sure if the Michelins are better or worse than last years Pirellis. But an important factor !

[Krigen]

3.9 sec lead for Østberg. Will Hirvonen take over the lead after this stage??

[Wim_Impreza]

Hopefully not. I am absolutely no fan of Hirvonen. Østberg has the future and is much more spectacular in my opinion.

[N.O.T]

Ostberg doesn't have the experience to open the road and run outside of others lines....so i guess Hirvonen will pass him but he has to keep pushing so anything can happen. Currently as results are formed i see no difference or change in the attitudes of the drivers so i think the championship will be between Loeb, Ogier and Latvala with solberg always being the dark horse.

[N.O.T]

next stage is on....

[Krigen]

Stage is on.

[pettersolberg29]

Ostberg doesn't have the experience to open the road and run outside of others lines....so i guess Hirvonen will pass him but he has to keep pushing so anything can happen.


Mads has arguably more experience than anyone of opening the stage in snowy conditions as he does it in almost every round of the Norwegian championship. I agree Mikko will overtake him though.

[N.O.T]

you have a point to that....but there is a difference to have mikko chasing you than the village champion of norway.

[N.O.T]

Latvala already on orders from ford to hold station......

[N.O.T]

Nice attack by Solberg....seems that this stage has more snow than the others....

[Krigen]

Petter on a chase...

[nr7wave]

Good split from Petter. Seems like he is more comfortable with the ds3 now.

[N.O.T]

ØSTBERG M. / ANDERSSON J. "Just very difficult at the moment,lot of snow in the forest. We losing lot of time, but I can't push anymore. But it's fight with big boys." from rally.cz

[Krigen]

Mads still lead :)

[KKS]

Hello, will power stage broadcast into a internet?

[N.O.T]

i think Ogier is already focused on his championship chances for this year and he doesn't risk much.

[N.O.T]

SOLBERG P. / PATTERSON C. "We lost little time, I made mistake close to finish. But not bad." from rally.cz

[pettersolberg29]

10s penalty for Petter - how does he do it...

[rage82]

10 seconds penalty for Peter don't know why

[jonkka]

1 minute late on TC4E (but that should be old news)

[Rally Hokkaido]

no it's another 10 sec penalty - late on to SS10 start TC

[N.O.T]

another 10 seconds or the old one ??

[jonkka]

Either way, it doesn't affect standings as of now

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "If I'm right, Petter was late at TC. I was really enjoying stage, but our windscreen was misting close to end."from rally.cz

[N.O.T]

but its going to be really stupid of him to end the rally 19 seconds slower than the wiiner

[pettersolberg29]

Either way, it doesn't affect standings as of now

No, but I could see Petter winning the rally if he was 30s behind now, but 40s behind and closed down by JML makes it much more difficult for him I think as he needs to look behind him as well as in front.

[Rally Hokkaido]

mistake by Chris or trouble swapping tyres over, etc. Becs is trying to find out from Petter's team

[Sulland]

Seems like Loeb and the DS3 has not gelled yet!

[Rally Hokkaido]

2nd puncture for Loeb - possibly first time in history!!

[N.O.T]

another mistake by loeb towards the end.

[N.O.T]

Ogier alos flat tyre 1 km from the end...

[Krigen]

Seems like this years tyre pick up puncture more easy than last years..

[N.O.T]

they are wider so maybe thats why.

[Mirek]

No more spares left for Loeb?

[Krigen]

I think they where wider allready last season.

[Krigen]

Wilson just beat Quassimi

[N.O.T]

No more spares left for Loeb?

i think he still has 1, they carry 2

[N.O.T]

Andersson fastest

[N.O.T]

any news on solbergs penalty ??

[Rally Hokkaido]

it still hasn't been applied yet, but WRR heard that it would be........does that make it official?
he did start 3 mins behind for some reason


edit: now applied

[N.O.T]

indeed...its a pity because he could challenge hirvonen with his pace.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen will lead and probably win the event without winning a single special stage.....pathetic.

[Krigen]

he has still time too win some stages..will be interesting to see who wins the power stage.. maybe PG or Loeb

[N.O.T]

which one is the power stage one?

[N.O.T]

next stage is on

[tolis]

Where's Grondal in SS10???

[KKS]

which one is the power stage one?

SS 22 Gustavsfors 2 (Power Stage)

[N.O.T]

If Hirvonen is the road sweeper tommorow we might see some good stuff...

[Mirek]

Where's Grondal in SS10???

Only missing time.

[Krigen]

New rallyleader..

[N.O.T]

yeah but i think wilson will use tactics and start ostberg 1st tommorow, if solberg is not that close.

[ln-ops]

A few pictures from Friday and Saturday:

SS3: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilfred/sets/72157625899007939/
SS8: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilfred/sets/72157626029839176/

[pettersolberg29]

Petter 11s quicker than Mikko.

[N.O.T]

solberg 11 seconds quicker....stupid mistakes can cost him the victory. but maybe he wants to be 3rd tommorow.

[Krigen]

Great tme for Petter again

[Krigen]

Petter really fired up :) .. If han can keep up this pace he can threaten Mikko :)

[pettersolberg29]

solberg 11 seconds quicker....stupid mistakes can cost him the victory. but maybe he wants to be 3rd tommorow.

This is quite good for Petter really - if he can end the day 3rd but within 20s of the lead then he has a good chance of victory. However he may regret the 20s penalty by the end of the rally...

[N.O.T]

if he starts 3rd tommorow and manages to be around 10 seconds behind i think he might win it...

[N.O.T]

i think that wilson will use tactics though and start Ostberg 1st though or he might even drop ostberg behind solberg for latvala to have a better order...we have to wait and see.

[N.O.T]

The official citroens just cruise now....nothing they can do.

[Krigen]

I really hope Mads wont listen to Wilson.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Solberg sliced 11 seconds off Mikko !! I believe he is the most likely to win right now :)

[N.O.T]

hmmmmm the fact that solberg is likely to win, and even latvala is having problems catching him, means that the Citroens are even more far ahead of the fords right now ???

[Krigen]

Petter really angry.. Says he wont accept penalty..

[Rally Hokkaido]

Petter really fired up :) .. If han can keep up this pace he can threaten Mikko :)

Well, he was fired up when Becs asked him about the penalty.....'that's bulls**t, we will appeal'

[tolis]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/CoCDecisionNo4.pdf

[N.O.T]

800 euro is different from a 10 sec penalty...this is also irrelevant since it happened yesterday. I think peter was upset for todays penalty

[Krigen]

LOL :)

[ridder]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/CoCDecisionNo4.pdf

That's after he was late out of service trying to catch up

[tolis]

...this is also irrelevant since it happened yesterday.
Indeed, nothing to do with today's penalty.

[GallardoGT]

A few pictures from Friday and Saturday:

SS3: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilfred/sets/72157625899007939/
SS8: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilfred/sets/72157626029839176/

Sorry that my post looks a bit off topic but it's not ;) I love this tent with the chimney which is very cousy and warm insite I presume.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilfred/5437724879/in/set-72157626029839176/

Is this a typical swedish army wintertent or what?

[alleskids]

has stage 11 been stopped after Al Qassimi?

[rage82]

WRC.om totally crashed for me. Service unavailable. when the next stage is due to start?

[N.O.T]

2 hours 15 minutes

[tolis]

when the next stage is due to start?
1 and a half hour from now!

[N.O.T]

indeed 1 hour.

[rage82]

10x guys

[wacked]

go solberg.. this has been a very interesting start to the season..

[tolis]

Gorban won SS10??? :P

[N.O.T]

No

for results that you can trust use this one

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=12&filtr=

[KKS]

jep. Crazy Ukrainian :D

PS time is 12:38 not 10:38

[tolis]

Watch Day 1 Highlights here:
http://www.woop.gr/article/17457/wrc-sweden-highlights-day-1-video

[A.F.F.]

I don't get the whine here :confused:

These cars sound much better even on TV, go sideways like rallycars should, need more skill to drive.... they're just awesome !!!! This is brilliant :bounce:

[N.O.T]

Wilson getting beaten like a dog without an owner by the s2000 guys.....someone must end this joke soon.

[N.O.T]

I don't get the whine here :confused:

These cars sound much better even on TV, go sideways like rallycars should, need more skill to drive.... they're just awesome !!!! This is brilliant :bounce:

nobody argued about that.....its nice that the new WRCs are slower and allow a better evaluation of the drivers skills.

[A.F.F.]

nobody argued about that.....its nice that the new WRCs are slower and allow a better evaluation of the drivers skills.

Do you read the other posts?? Plenty of critisicm of the current cars.

[N.O.T]

my only objection is that they do not feel special or exotic....but they will when development starts to boost them

[A.F.F.]

my only objection is that they do not feel special or exotic....but they will when development starts to boost them

What?? Do my old eyes see a glimpse of optimism ??? :D

I like them already and like you said, they're only getting better :up:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For me its like when we went from the Group B cars to the Group A in 1987 ...

Delta S4 to Lancia HF ... Supercars to fast shopping cars...

The new cars may be pretty quick and sideways but they just dont have the Wow-factor anymore.

[Mirek]

Flodin...
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/StewardsDecisionNo2.pdf

That really must have ended by disqualification. More than 2 kg per wheel makes the car faster for sure.

[Zico]

For me its like when we went from the Group B cars to the Group A in 1987 ...

Delta S4 to Lancia HF ... Supercars to fast shopping cars...

The new cars may be pretty quick and sideways but they just dont have the Wow-factor anymore.

I and the majority of others on here see it completely opposite from you Eddie, I personally found the last breed of WRC cars so dull that I stopped watching WRC.. Im back now though!

[KKS]

finaly splits are work

[pettersolberg29]

Latvala flying - found the ryhthm?

[KKS]

Loeb same rhythm as JML. Probably will see what time might be without JML spin.

[Raini]

Loeb is starting to show his real speed...

[Fide]

Heard Solberg is appealing his last 10s penalty. They said it was by traffic... Anybody knows wich is the authority desicion ???