Rally Sweden 2011

[FabiaFan]

Because in Finland it's not allowed to be co-driver without the license...Just wondering what gonna happen... I heard the same about Sweden - but I think, this would be a stupid rule! A co-driver doesn't need the driving licence, he even doesn't need to know driving...

[KKS]

This very much depends also on the legislative of particular country. I know about problems Barum rally organizers had to allow Kruuda start in Barum with only Estonian driving licence (he was 17). He did several WRC events but in Czech republic he couldn't start. After all they managed to get exception but this may be in other countries as well. There is no global law concerning this.

Are Special Stages - public roads? where police have all rights? If yes - should penalize every driver for speeding. Av. speed over 100km/h they not driving on motorways so should keep 90 or 60. If not - they must don't care who and how drive on SS. Police area is - liaisons.

Anyway that's police catch:
Petter with 112kph speed at 13:55
Kimi with 92kph at 12:59
Goransson with 92kph at 13:40
Linari with 95kph at 13:28

I don't know Swedish law's and speedlimits but 17 kph deference with Petter's speed and Linary make withdrawal of driving license for Petter, and not for Linari?

[Mirek]

I heard the same about Sweden - but I think, this would be a stupid rule! A co-driver doesn't need the driving licence, he even doesn't need to know driving...

It's not so stupid because there is no separate license for driver and co-driver. Both have same license and it doesn't matter who is driving, therefore they should be applied same rules to obtain the license.

[JAM]

:eek: They don't use tactics in IRC :confused:

It depends if Quesnel is there or not. In Monte Carlo he was there, and we had tactits. But usually IRC don't have tactics.

Let's look at Ford, The excelent 2nd place of Mads Ostberg was not possible if Quesnel was team manager at Ford.

Did Loeb manage to reach the end of rally??

[swordsman]

Are Special Stages - public roads? where police have all rights? If yes - should penalize every driver for speeding. Av. speed over 100km/h they not driving on motorways so should keep 90 or 60. If not - they must don't care who and how drive on SS. Police area is - liaisons.

Anyway that's police catch:
Petter with 112kph speed at 13:55
Kimi with 92kph at 12:59
Goransson with 92kph at 13:40
Linari with 95kph at 13:28

I don't know Swedish law's and speedlimits but 17 kph deference with Petter's speed and Linary make withdrawal of driving license for Petter, and not for Linari?

31+ km/h on 80 km/h road = withdrawal of driving license.

Regarding the speed on SS the organiser has an exception from the authorities regarding speeds etc during the competition.

[N.O.T]

i think Loeb finished the rally....no news that he retired so its good.

[HarriK]

"Solberg was caught speeding on Friday, going 112kmph in an 80kmph zone. Swedish Police decided that 48hours after the event his licence will be revoked, as a result Chris Patterson had to drive his Citroen DR3. Patterson completed the stage in 3m13.9s, the co-driver was 51.2s behind Ogier the current stage leader."

hmm..sounds like me that police do not automatically give that 48h in Sweden but now they gived it. But is was too short time...

[jonas_mcrae]

not a great time by Patterson LOL, but you have to give him credit for completing the stage, well done, and managed to get the car to fifth!

[KKS]

31+ km/h on 80 km/h road = withdrawal of driving license.

Regarding the speed on SS the organiser has an exception from the authorities regarding speeds etc during the competition.

tnx. So 1kph decide Petters result? if it's will be 111kph everything will be OK?

[Coach 2]

If you lose your license, you can request a temporary license so you can get your car and family back home. It's pretty nice if you come from another country. This temporary license works in 48 hours.

[HarriK]

If you lose your license, you can request a temporary license so you can get your car and family back home. It's pretty nice if you come from another country. This temporary license works in 48 hours.

OK, sounds good.

[Coach 2]

Now I found the explanation. It was on Saturday he lost his license and not Friday, and the temporary license works for 24 hours.

http://www.nwt.se/sport/motorsport/article851569.ece

[kolvas]

Now I found the explanation. It was on Saturday he lost his license and not Friday, and the temporary license works for 24 hours.

http://www.nwt.se/sport/motorsport/article851569.ece

No, in the FIA fine you can see that it was in Friday at 13:55

[HarriK]

No, in the FIA fine you can see that it was in Friday at 13:55

yep:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/CoCDecisionNo4.pdf

[swordsman]

If you lose your license, you can request a temporary license so you can get your car and family back home. It's pretty nice if you come from another country. This temporary license works in 48 hours.


hmm..sounds like me that police do not automatically give that 48h in Sweden but now they gived it. But is was too short time...

No, that's not true. You don't need to request any license or so - just drive on without a license for 48h. You get a reciept that they've taken your license and if you get stopped again you can just show that.

[Mirek]

Statistic of stage victories looks brilliant. I wish it stays like that...

Andersson 4
Loeb 4
Ostberg 3
Ogier 3
Hirvonen 3
Latvala 3
Solberg 3

[dimviii]

No, that's not true. You don't need to request any license or so - just drive on without a license for 48h. You get a reciept that they've taken your license and if you get stopped again you can just show that.

So Petter was asked some minutes before Gustavsfors 2 from police to dont drive?

[dimviii]

Drivers points
http://www.wrc.com/results/

[HarriK]

penalty for loeb?

http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F02%2F1273104%2Floebia-sai-ulkopuolista-apua---seuraako-rangaistus

[tolis]

PG Andersson won the "Abu Dhabi Spirit of the Rally".

[Catiocha7]

so, how Peter still driving in sunday and saturday stages if the Swedish police revoked his licence ?

[HarriK]

so, how Peter still driving in sunday and saturday stages if the Swedish police revoked his licence ?

As said before:
1. Petter lost his licence right away at friday when he was speeding +32kmh (80limit and he drove 112kmh)
2. He get 48h more time to drive (as regulations in Sweden or some else country, because he had to drive, but limit is 48hours)
3. That 48 hours was over just before last SS. He couldn't take that risk to drive without license.

[TyPat107]

Interesting about Petter. Here in the US, CO-drivers are allowed to drive on transits and up to 20% of stage miles. I hope he isn't excluded. What does this mean for the rest of his year? How do you go about getting your license back over there?

[swordsman]

So Petter was asked some minutes before Gustavsfors 2 from police to dont drive?

No, why would he? Of course he was told (as anyone else losing his license in Sweden) that he could drive for 48 more hours on the Friday when he lost the license. For sure noone told him right before Gustavsfors not to drive - but if he would have driven I guess it would have been a calculated risk. For sure someone would have noticed it suddenly he would have commited a much more serious crime called "Olovlig körning" (~Unauthorized driving) and could have gotten in much more serious trouble with the cops.

And to TyPat107: Petter will get his license back when he leaves the country, so I guess it shouldn't be a problem.

[N.O.T]

what a great start as variety of points and stage wins goes....hope the trend continues, doubt it though.

[Txus]

If you loose your license, is it forbidden to drive into the stage?

[Miika]

Apparently Loeb couldn´t get his car started and going without Petter.. I mean Patterson giving him a push with their DS3 after the final stage.
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/02/1273104/loeb-sai-kyseenalaista-apua---katso-video

Now.. did that go by the book or should Loeb be disqualified for that - since I thought that any outside help outside the stages is forbidden? At least the spectators aren´t allowed to push/assistant the car outside the stages.

[Doug Woods]

Here in the US, CO-drivers are allowed to drive on transits and up to 20% of stage miles.

Please quote the specific section of the rule book that states the above.

[bluuford]

Maybe Petter was in hurry and forgot to mention to Chris which pedal is the break pedal :-)

[Fri]

Loeb's drama and Petter Solberg's quote:
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2011/02/02-13-wrc_loeb_drama_sved_rally.htm

[HarriK]

Apparently Loeb couldn´t get his car started and going without Petter.. I mean Patterson giving him a push with their DS3 after the final stage.
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/02/1273104/loeb-sai-kyseenalaista-apua---katso-video

Now.. did that go by the book or should Loeb be disqualified for that - since I thought that any outside help outside the stages is forbidden? At least the spectators aren´t allowed to push/assistant the car outside the stages.

my opinion is that Loeb will be disqualified.

[Mirek]

Yes, according to the rules he should be...

[Langdale Forest]

What would happen to the live points if Loeb gets disqualified, Would the driver who was 4th on the live stage recive a single point?

[Coach 2]

Are you sure. If you are within the TK zone or in the park ferme, you will be disqualified. It is that Loeb and Daniel made sure not to be, by pushing the car out of the TK zone last plate.
I think!!!

[Mirek]

Are you sure. If you are within the TK zone or in the park ferme, you will be disqualified. It is that Loeb and Daniel made sure not to be, by pushing the car out of the TK zone last plate.
I think!!!

They were pushed by another competitor. That is forbidden.

[HarriK]

If i heard right on that film:
"it's okey to push with rallycar, because next car is on the road, team said so"

[dimviii]

Loeb's drama and Petter Solberg's quote:
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2011/02/02-13-wrc_loeb_drama_sved_rally.htm

this video is responsible for the 3rd heart attack for Quesnel
a rally that they want to erase from their memories.

[Koppomsbo]

Great rally! Would be great if this could last all season! (doubt it)

[Miika]

Since Loeb is blocking the road they are allowed to have outside help to push the car to the side of the road so that others could pass them (?). If they had done that the car would have gone nowhere from there, instead they give the car a push start and it gets on going. A fishy thing and that is why I bet he won´t be disqualified. Viva la whateva.

[N.O.T]

i think thats too many heart attacks in the 1st rally they knew it was lost before it even started....but if you say so.

[HarriK]

Miika: this is what i was also thinking...we will see..

[ttiirika]

Since Loeb is blocking the road they are allowed to have outside help to push the car to the side of the road so that others could pass them (?). If they had done that the car would have gone nowhere from there, instead they give the car a push start and it gets on going. A fishy thing and that is why I bet he won´t be disqualified. Viva la whateva.

Exactly. Loeb didn't get his engine running and car going without outside help. He should be disqualified. There is no question about it. But then again... this is world rally championship. I am 100% sure he won't get any penalty. I am also 100% sure Mr. Quesnel and Mr. Solberg had a chat before the last stage. Maybe I am skeptic. Or maybe I am just realistic.

[swordsman]

my opinion is that Loeb will be disqualified.

I guess problem comes if Loeb says that he never asked to get a push, that Petter just collided into him from behind...?

[emk]

If Loeb wont get disqualified... Chris Patterson could become a driver who decided the world championship title on his first ever rally stage :D

[txl]

Here is what WRC Regulations say:


20.1.2
Cars may only be towed, transported or pushed in order to bring them back onto the rally road
or to clear the rally route.

[bluuford]

Well, according to the rule book, everything was OK.It is allowed to use assistance to push the car back on the road or remove the car if it is blocking the road. Accidentally the car got going during the removing process.
The smart thing by Loeb and Elena was their hard job. They managed to move the car to a narrow place where it was blocking the road 100% So, I dont see anything illegal here. But you newer know marshals. However, I dont want to be in the skin of the Sweden marshals, it is still very complicated situation.

[ttiirika]

Loeb's car needed outside help to be able to start. How complicated is that? It is very simple. It was not pushed to clear the road, but to start the engine. Use also your brains and not only law text. He should be disqualified.

[dimviii]

Loeb's car needed outside help to be able to start. How complicated is that? It is very simple. It was not pushed to clear the road, but to start the engine. Use also your brains and not only law text. He should be disqualified.

+1
at video it was clear that Daniel was hitting the starter button to help it to move.
I almost can see Malcolm tonight with champagnes getting drunk lol

[N.O.T]

and flogged i must add to the central square of stockholm....little kids with small ambitions feeding on a giants corpse....

[N.O.T]

exactly 1 month until F1 begins.....ok i think i can take it.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_f30d6da1b0.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_1a523c7802.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_aa_7b58400b45.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/835/835_rally_sweden_2011_e7472961e5.jpg

More photos from 3rd leg and podium HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=835&fseason=2011) ;-)

[darkstar]

this is defenetly not a clear situation...im exited what will happen. at last he should receive some time penalty for sure...

[Mirek]

Loeb's car needed outside help to be able to start. How complicated is that? It is very simple. It was not pushed to clear the road, but to start the engine. Use also your brains and not only law text. He should be disqualified.

That's the problem. You MUST use the rule text. Only what is written is valid for any decision.

By the way Jonathan Ashman, head of FIA Rally Commission, is also head of stewards in Sweden.

[Barreis]

Nice pictures..

[swordsman]

That's the problem. You MUST use the rule text. Only what is written is valid for any decision.

By the way Jonathan Ashman, head of FIA Rally Commission, is also head of stewards in Sweden.

I'm with you dude. Rules are rules - you might not like, but you have to accept it.

[HarriK]

For sure rally is firstly mean to be also endurance race.
Also you can help competitors by pushing during the SS. So why not outside of the SS.--> I know well rules thought and it's forbidden. But in service they could also fix that kind of problem easily. Nowdays it's typical sure that rally is race in the SS more, maybe some rules are not so "up to date"...some are watched through the fingers...

[darkstar]

difficulty is to decite what it was...pushing the car out the way and as a possitive effect the car suddenly startet by itself? or pushing the car to start the engine?

[bluuford]

I just red the comments under results site:
LOEB S. / ELENA D. (st. č. 1) "I'd like to push on this one, some mistakes. We'll see." /
He got what he want :-P

[uranium]

Moreover it is clear from video they checked it before do such things. So, I don't think rules were broken.

[BleAivano]

Really? He isn't so good in my opinion and makes a lot of mistakes.

Well you seems to have forgotten that both Hirvonen and Latvala also used to crash allot, and PG is not different from them.
If i'm not mistaken both MH and JML crashed out of Rally Finland a few years ago when being just a few stages from the end of the rally.

PG lost allot of time due to punctures and a broken servo steering.


Then i read something really concerning regarding the Lovhaugen stage. Apparently Swedish Champ Mats Jonsson were very very close on colliding with a snowmobile on that stage.
Apparently the snowmobile driver was driving his vehicle on the stage towards the oncoming cars. source. (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsverigesradio.se%2Fsida%2Fartikel.a spx%3Fprogramid%3D2505%26artikel%3D4344904)

[Julle69]

Nice trivia for Hirvonen:

- win for Fiesta s2000 in it's first race (Monte)
- win for Fiesta RS WRC in it's first race

[Mirek]

Nice trivia for Hirvonen:

- win for Fiesta s2000 in it's first race (Monte)
- win for Fiesta RS WRC in it's first race

And that has been both the first and last victory of Fiesta in IRC. Hopefully it's better with in WRC.

[Mise]

Nice trivia for Hirvonen:

- win for Fiesta s2000 in it's first race (Monte)
- win for Fiesta RS WRC in it's first race

Nice trivia for Fiesta too.

[ttiirika]

difficulty is to decite what it was...pushing the car out the way and as a possitive effect the car suddenly startet by itself? or pushing the car to start the engine?

Well which one it was? Or both? OK, it was both: pushed to clear the road (= OK by the book) AND pushed to start the engine (= disqualification by the book). If the car would have been pushed by the side of the road and left there for Loeb and Elena trying to start it, of course it would have been totally OK. But when pushed by Solberg's car the start button of Loeb's Citroen was pushed and so it used outside help to get it's engine running. I am not an engine specialist, but I haven't seen a car which suddenly starts by itself when pushed.

[darkstar]

exactly my opinion ;)

[dimviii]

Well which one it was? Or both? OK, it was both: pushed to clear the road (= OK by the book) AND pushed to start the engine (= disqualification by the book). If the car would have been pushed by the side of the road and left there for Loeb and Elena trying to start it, of course it would have been totally OK. But when pushed by Solberg's car the start button of Loeb's Citroen was pushed and so it used outside help to get it's engine running. I am not an engine specialist, but I haven't seen a car which suddenly starts by itself when pushed.
More rightly is..... the car started without the help from starter button but with the engine compression while was pushed by Petters ds3.

[txl]

Provisional Final Classification
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/ProvisionalFinalClassification.pdf

[Mirek]

Where is written that You can't start engine while being pushed? That's why rules must be written clear so as they don't allow to weave. I don't defend Citroën, I don't like that either but I can see that it's very difficult to judge such situation under given rules.

Anyway maybe stewards don't talk about that at all because they were not informed or they don't want...

[PLuto]

I have wrote an article about it, but it is only in czech, as usually (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11761). They should push the car to the side of the road, there was lot of place. But they were pushing it directly towards with clear idea to start the car. But the main problem should be, that nobody will do with it. Lot of organisers there, competitors relation officer Jacky Jung was there, but I think there will be no info to stewards...

[Juha_Koo]

Loeb's car needed outside help to be able to start. How complicated is that? It is very simple. It was not pushed to clear the road, but to start the engine. Use also your brains and not only law text. He should be disqualified.

WRC Rules:

20.1.2
"Cars may only be towed, transported or pushed in order to bring them back onto the rally road or to clear the rally route."

Loeb's car was blocking the rally route. Liasion section is part of the rally route. Therefore, rules were not broken. It's just a coincedence that the car started.

No need to use brains when there's a law (=rule) to follow. It's really stupid, but that's how it is. The law is practised how it is *written* - not how it's interpretted. Then again, people argue in courts how the situation (=breaking the law) should be interpretted from the law's perspective. LOL :D

This is common problem in juridical philosophy. The law must be obeyed at all times, in any situation. If it would not be obeyed, the whole Western system of State and the "institution of agreement" (there has to be a 3rd party to enforce that the agreement is obeyed - and if not, it has the power to give sanction(s)="An agreement without a sword (=the state) is just mere words with no meaning") Example: A poor man's wife is dying to a fatal disease and the man steals medicine that can cure his wife because he can't afford the medicine. I think we all can agree that the man did the right thing. However, he broke the law. And one who has broken the law and is captured has to undergo a trial and a possible sentence. Total bullsh*t from a moral perspective, but a law is a law. Once it's not obeyed it's time for total anarchy.

Rally itself was great! :up: Lots of action, great fighting in the top5 to the last minute and some very, very memorable situations; PG's off in the first proper stage, Sandell's near miss, Patterson driving, etc. etc. New cars are awesome even though I'm not used to them quite yet. Fastest SS times for several different drivers, fighting till the end in the top5, big offs, great conditions, nice atmosphere and suberb route. This rally had it all and liked it. A lot. :)

[swordsman]

I have wrote an article about it, but it is only in czech, as usually (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11761). They should push the car to the side of the road, there was lot of place. But they were pushing it directly towards with clear idea to start the car. But the main problem should be, that nobody will do with it. Lot of organisers there, competitors relation officer Jacky Jung was there, but I think there will be no info to stewards...

No matter what the stewards must be totally isolated or dead if they didn't notice something "interesting" happened on the live covered stage. That's the only part of the rally that you can see even if you're stuck in race control! Back when I worked at the rally and worked with getting live coverage online together (that was in -07) they were literally waving their hands in there when they finally got to see live action. Some guys hadn't seen any competitive action (live) of the Swedish Rally for ten years because they were always stuck in race control :P

[Mirek]

Pluto is one of those people ;)

[Mise]

It's funny to see those in camera shots.
New cars are driven so sideways that it
looks like they're gonna spin. But somehow
they don't.

[dimviii]

Citroen technical director Xavier Mestelan-Pinon .....“Sometimes yesterday, we lose the pressure, but it was not a puncture.

http://www.wrc.com/news/citroen-happy-with-tyres-despite-deflations/?fid=14165

same as pirelli some years ago with smaller inside diameter....

[tolis]

Highlights of Day 3 in ESPN, in 45 minutes here:
http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9

[Barreis]

Thx very much..

[HarriK]

also espn several streams: http://www.mypremium.tv/

[Co-driven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n6-UUkdQ3UA


This is reaaally funny. I don't think it ever happened before on the WRC, did it?

I'd just like to hear their talking in there.

[PLuto]

Few nice pictures from Sweden - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11762

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/1b6928c8b519a5092fef86c5db2d68ec.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/827b6093c1e38f23d60a030b6c3578d6.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/cdc332e34c35fcdd88cea53055a6fdd8.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/1a7b8362e5dcd34347f3b6d979db5c91.jpg

[BDunnell]

Well, how entertaining was that? Admittedly, Sweden is often one of the less 'predictable' events, but nonetheless I think this has to have been the most interesting WRC round for years. Will the rest of the season match up? Possibly not, but I'm more hopeful now for the future. One point that does come to mind, though — given Citroen's slight struggle against the Fords, the Minis will have to be seriously good straight out of the box to get anywhere near. Let's see.

[Barreis]

So happy 'cos of live wrc TV.. :)

[tfp]

What a fantastic rally! I hope the rest of them are as exciting as that:-)

[logic]

I swore in that video the guy in the red jacket was pushing the car when they started to push it first.

[Aquagen]

Photos from day 3 added:

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/103/

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/abe9b09134ffaa2bce43b16465cba8be.jpg

[euskalteam]

Any official quotes about Loeb's trouble after the last stage?

[euskalteam]

Provisional Final Classification
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/ProvisionalFinalClassification.pdf

Seems that is only subject to the antidoping control for some drivers, I think they will not make nothing with it.

[N.O.T]

so the propaganda to get Loeb excluded failed....awwwwwwwww.....

its totally legal to use another car to push a car.....sorry. It happened in the past.

[modri dirkac]

Nice photos of my good friend: ;)

http://www.foto-modlic.si/galerija/2011/02/rally-svedska-2011

[bennizw]

My pictures from the event:

http://www.rallysweden.com/the-rally-2011/photogallery?lang=en

[Mark]

If you can then please go over to the facebook site http://www.facebook.com/motorsportforums and post some of them there!

[bluuford]

Any official quotes about Loeb's trouble after the last stage?

As I told before, everything was correct according to the rules. Car was blocking the road, another Citroen tried to push it away to clear the rally route and during that pushing process Loeb forgot 2 gear in and accidentally released the clutch and car got going again! Simple as that!
Come on, give the guys some credit, they pushed the car with the spiked tires uphill through the snow to that narrow place under one hundred cameras. How often you can see multiple world champion doing that. Ford was also happy, because they were able to see closely under the DS3 bonnet, very closely :-P

Loeb had some luck after all. If he would have been the last Citroen then I cannot imagine Latvala, Hirvonen or Östberg pushing him :-P

[N.O.T]

Ford was also happy, because they were able to see closely under the DS3 bonnet, very closely :-P


i think nowadays a peek at the laptop connecting to the cars ecu is worth more than a peek under the bonnet...they can do that in service anyway.

[TMorel]

I found the whole incident fascinating, using the wheel brace wrench to get extra leverage and the highres gridded photo of the engine bay to identify the fault in "sectorA4" as opposed to "behind the big pipe with the squiggly black thing".

[MrJan]

Chris Patterson should be completely ashamed of himself, can't believe that he was slower than Matt Wilson :laugh:

[Karukera]

Antidoping control to Matt Wilson ? Swedes have a great sense of humour. :up:

Great start to the season and beautiful scennery.
I would have liked to see Mads on the highest step, it was so close. Big congrats to him and to Ford.
TV stage is a good thing, hope the championship won't be decided by those extra points though.
Last driver to take extra points in the last stage was Auriol in Ruuhimäki 99, he also won the powerstage in Corsica while Mäkinen also took (2+2) 4 points in Corsica and Finland but it eventually didn't interfere in the race for the title with Burns.

Now heading to Mexico, looking forward to seeing what sideway action those tiny rally cars are capable of.

[N.O.T]

Antidoping control to Matt Wilson ? Swedes have a great sense of humour. :up:



i think its quite justifiable actually....i mean after all that experience and still be completely useless and a cheap joke ?? ...he must be on drugs.

[Julle69]

Last driver to take extra points in the last stage was Auriol in Ruuhimäki 99Was the power stage driven after the normal race or was it part of the race like this year. Because in Finland 1999 both Auriol and Makinen were retired and got points only from power stage.

[Barreis]

Remember also Catalunya and Corsica 1999 with extra points for live tv stage..

[N.O.T]

yes...so far all rallies that have an announced itinerary have a power stage though...in 99 only selected events had them.

[Julle69]

If I remember right, power stages before (99) were separate races and they were not counted to results of the whole event. If you were retired from the race you could still take part to the power stage. And that's what drives want the power stage to be...

[Karukera]

If I remember right, power stages before (99) were separate races and they were not counted to results of the whole event. If you were retired from the race you could still take part to the power stage. And that's what drives want the power stage to be...

The power stages in 1999 were taken into condsideration for the overall classification like a normal stage. And like you say, a retired driver could rejoin for the last special stage.

@ Barreis : There was no power stage in Catalunya 99, Corsica and Finland only.

[Julle69]

Karukera, thanks for the answer...

[Barreis]

Didn't know that but remember that live tv when Bugalski won.. :)

[Barreis]

Watch Day 1 Highlights here:
http://www.woop.gr/article/17457/wrc-sweden-highlights-day-1-video

Dear tolis11,
Please is there Days 2&3 somewhere also? Thx..

[Karukera]

Karukera, thanks for the answer...

Ole hyvä :beer:

About power stages, i remember Corsica 99 was the 206 WRC's first outing, the little lion never saw the finish line but it was quick straight out of the box. BTW, i wish Mini the same speed.
I have a video of the Corsica SS17 (powerstage TV), Delecour was in full action when the 206 suddenly slowed down due to electronic gremlins. That's history, almost vintage :)

[dimviii]

Αt 5,46 Sandell face to face with Loeb :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87H7W4edFao

[Krigen]

i think its quite justifiable actually....i mean after all that experience and still be completely useless and a cheap joke ?? ...he must be on drugs.

Hahaha LOL :)

[BleAivano]

Well, how entertaining was that? Admittedly, Sweden is often one of the less 'predictable' events, but nonetheless I think this has to have been the most interesting WRC round for years. Will the rest of the season match up? Possibly not, but I'm more hopeful now for the future. One point that does come to mind, though — given Citroen's slight struggle against the Fords, the Minis will have to be seriously good straight out of the box to get anywhere near. Let's see.

well BDunnell, 10 stage wins is hardly struggling is it? I'd say that the cars were very equal but Ford had an advantage regarding the road position on Friday's stages.
SS6:Ogier
SS6: Loeb
SS11: P.Solberg
SS12,13.15 Loeb
SS14 Ogier
SS16: P.Solberg
SS22: Ogier.

http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-sweden/stage-winners/

[dimviii]

Dear tolis11,
Please is there Days 2&3 somewhere also? Thx..
http://www.woop.gr/article/17547/wrc-sweden-highlights-day-2-video
http://www.woop.gr/article/17666/wrc-sweden-highlights-day-3-video

[Barreis]

Ole hyvä :beer:

About power stages, i remember Corsica 99 was the 206 WRC's first outing, the little lion never saw the finish line but it was quick straight out of the box. BTW, i wish Mini the same speed.
I have a video of the Corsica SS17 (powerstage TV), Delecour was in full action when the 206 suddenly slowed down due to electronic gremlins. That's history, almost vintage :)

It would be very nice if you upload it somewhere.. :)
Thanks Dimviii, tolis11 already sent me links.. :)

[panno4ka]

few pics :)
http://project-t3.kiev.ua/thumbnails-185.html

[Krigen]

I swore in that video the guy in the red jacket was pushing the car when they started to push it first.

Yes he was :(

[hari]

Some of my pictures of the fantastic Rally Sweden 2011 can be found here:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_wrc_rallye_schweden_2011.php

http://www.ir7.at/content/newsimg/swe11akt.jpg

[fastboy]

Wow, what a great rally to start the 2011 season.I was lucky enough to spectate at the rally and the cars exceeded my expectations.They sound great ,still look lightening fast, and require more driver input resulting in side ways driving.I have to say it was great to see Mikko getting the win he badily needed.It was the first time for Mads to show what he can do in a competitive car and Latvala as always pushing to and beyond the limit.I thought Loeb looked like he needs a bit more time in the car before he trusts it 100 % .
Hopefully the cars will stay equal so we can look forward to a great season.On another topic the rally conditions were perfect,and i can'y beelieve the size of some of the snow banks.The temperature hit - 28 on sunday morning and i have to say i have never experienced anuything like it.
Also after having watched the u.k coverage on ESPN today, they have got off to a good start and i am sure will improve with each rally.

Here is a link to my video of the rally including Loeb and Latvala's close calls with the snow banks :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxiSRVdL7ug

[tfp]

Wow, what a great rally to start the 2011 season.I was lucky enough to spectate at the rally and the cars exceeded my expectations.They sound great ,still look lightening fast, and require more driver input resulting in side ways driving.I have to say it was great to see Mikko getting the win he badily needed.It was the first time for Mads to show what he can do in a competitive car and Latvala as always pushing to and beyond the limit.I thought Loeb looked like he needs a bit more time in the car before he trusts it 100 % .
Hopefully the cars will stay equal so we can look forward to a great season.On another topic the rally conditions were perfect,and i can'y beelieve the size of some of the snow banks.The temperature hit - 28 on sunday morning and i have to say i have never experienced anuything like it.
Also after having watched the u.k coverage on ESPN today, they have got off to a good start and i am sure will improve with each rally.

Here is a link to my video of the rally including Loeb and Latvala's close calls with the snow banks :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxiSRVdL7ug

Nice video dude, hey why dont you ask for a job at motors TV, I'm sure you could do a better job than them:-)

[noel157]

Wow, what a great rally to start the 2011 season.I was lucky enough to spectate at the rally and the cars exceeded my expectations.They sound great ,still look lightening fast, and require more driver input resulting in side ways driving.I have to say it was great to see Mikko getting the win he badily needed.It was the first time for Mads to show what he can do in a competitive car and Latvala as always pushing to and beyond the limit.I thought Loeb looked like he needs a bit more time in the car before he trusts it 100 % .
Hopefully the cars will stay equal so we can look forward to a great season.On another topic the rally conditions were perfect,and i can'y beelieve the size of some of the snow banks.The temperature hit - 28 on sunday morning and i have to say i have never experienced anuything like it.
Also after having watched the u.k coverage on ESPN today, they have got off to a good start and i am sure will improve with each rally.

Here is a link to my video of the rally including Loeb and Latvala's close calls with the snow banks :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxiSRVdL7ug

Great video Ross, very enjoyable. The first one I've seen that really shows the speed and the constant opposite lock. The way rally cars should be driven! Thanks.

[Timole]

My pictures can be found here http://rallyphotos.net.ee

[Brother John]

Latvala clearly played tactics............

Did you see him driving???
With his driving style, which I saw and like, you can lose time on every meter from the stage.
Doesn't it become time that you will take a look at once live to WRC rallies?

[wwbroe]

Did you see him driving???
With his driving style, which I saw and like, you can lose time on every meter from the stage.
Doesn't it become time that you will take a look at once live to WRC rallies?

It is clear that you didn't see the onboard of Latvalla, he clearly stopped before finishline and waited about 10 sec.

[Sulland]

Must give Kimi cred, he was doing ok times in Sweden - he is learning, and reached the checkered flag this time !

[Mirek]

Here is a link to my video of the rally including Loeb and Latvala's close calls with the snow banks :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxiSRVdL7ug

Great footage!

[SunDanceRanch]

http://www.woop.gr/article/17547/wrc-sweden-highlights-day-2-video
http://www.woop.gr/article/17666/wrc-sweden-highlights-day-3-video

Thanks Dimvii nice movies.
Greetings Dimitry

[dimviii]

Thanks Dimvii nice movies.
Greetings Dimitry

You are welcome

Dimitris

[giangino]

Photos Rally Sweden 2011 - http://www.avetowrc.com/

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Svezia2011/Foto/slides/0.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Svezia2011/Foto/slides/1.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Svezia2011/Foto/slides/1a.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Svezia2011/Foto/slides/2.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Svezia2011/Foto/slides/6.jpg

[Barreis]

Nice photos..

[Lundgaard]

Any nice HD-videos from Sweden? Can't seem to find them like from the rounds last year. Maybe it was to cold for the cameras/fingers....

[BDunnell]

well BDunnell, 10 stage wins is hardly struggling is it? I'd say that the cars were very equal but Ford had an advantage regarding the road position on Friday's stages.

Hence 'slight struggle'.

[Koceens]

Here is the video where PG Andersson crashes into a snowbank at really high speed. It was on SS20 - Torntorp. The full review from me after some days.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TwEgM_gc7I&hd=1

[peg306]

HD-video with our highlights from Rally Sweden 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZPeOMXBfI0&feature=feedu

[Co-driven]

Patterson/Solberg Power Stage, with the incar comments.

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-sweden-2011-chris-patterson-drives-petter/?vid=2009

"Full throttle, down gear down gear, brake brake". Nice to see Petter calling the notes. Hahaha.

[ProRally]

Patterson/Solberg Power Stage, with the incar comments.

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-sweden-2011-chris-patterson-drives-petter/?vid=2009

"Full throttle, down gear down gear, brake brake". Nice to see Petter calling the notes. Hahaha.

Aaaach come on Petter, Petter wanted to go faster, Chris kept his cool.... :D :D

[SubaruNorway]

My video from Swedish Rally. Maybe a bit dull on friday but i got some nice fast footage on the other days i think :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5v-MVYxtr8

[tfp]

Aaaach come on Petter, Petter wanted to go faster, Chris kept his cool.... :D :D

Yeah, take my hat off to the lad:-) He did a good job, probably a much better job of driving than what petter would be at navigating:-)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yeah, take my hat off to the lad:-) He did a good job, probably a much better job of driving than what petter would be at navigating:-)

"Left , left , left , left , gear down , throttle throttle , BRAKE BRAKE "

Probably the worst codriving ever :)

[Rallyper]

Anyone who can tell why Henning was out? i know he did a spectacular sidewalk, but the main reason is for me unknown.

One more comment on RS is that I think Kimi did a well respected drive in the rally!

[kchung]

Hi All,

Henning Solberg recovering from slide down a ditch at Shakedown

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Further images are available on my flickr page - http://www.flickr.com/photos/8921569@N07/

rgds
Kyn

[MTA]

Our pictures from the rally

http://www.rallyfoto.se

[PuddleJumper]

My photos from Rally Sweden are now online:

http://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/004t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/023t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/061t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/141t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/151t.jpg (http://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1)

[Brother John]

My photos from Rally Sweden are now online:

http://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/004t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/023t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/061t.jpghttp://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1/141t.jpg (http://www.powerphoto.co.uk/rally/2011/wrc_rd1)


Jonathan like usually, splendid photographs. http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.png

[Mirek]

Fantastic video by extremrallye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0mG__xZLcs

[Sébastien Vuillemard]

My photos from Rally Sweden are now online:.: VSrallye (http://www.vsrallye.fr/photos/Rallye%20du%20Suede%202011/index.html#) :.

http://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_634810rallyedesuede2011486.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=634810rallyedesuede2011486.jpg)http://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_998140J3531.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=998140J3531.jpg)http://img10.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_550419Rallyesuede2011573.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=550419Rallyesuede2011573.jpg)
http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=479924Rallyesuede2011573.jpg

[N.O.T]

best ones so far...pro work.

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

Hello,
Look my gallery from Rally Sweden:
http://www.fxteam.ru/fxpro/sponsor/wrc-rally-sweden-2011/

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

and photos of my friend:
http://www.worldrally.ru/gallery.php?album=124

[katikisphotography]

Hello,
My first post!
Here you can find my photos from Rally Sweden. Enjoy.
http://www.katikisphotography.com/Galleries/2011/Rally-Sweden-2011/15924353_iDMfZ#1194326142_NdYuY

[Salist]

Hello Nikos,

Welcome onboard!
Nice photos.

[Micke_VOC]

Anyone who can tell why Henning was out? i know he did a spectacular sidewalk, but the main reason is for me unknown.

One more comment on RS is that I think Kimi did a well respected drive in the rally!

Front windscreen broke and that was -24 minus degree.. Not so good to drive a couple of stages without windscreen

Incar moive from the young Pontus Tidemand ( Henning stepson) on stage Värmulssåsen in a Fiesta S2000..
He did a lot of top ten times in WRC ( He droved national class)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gqvGssaYE&hd=1

[tfp]

Front windscreen broke and that was -24 minus degree.. Not so good to drive a couple of stages without windscreen

Incar moive from the young Pontus Tidemand ( Henning stepson) on stage Värmulssåsen in a Fiesta S2000..
He did a lot of top ten times in WRC ( He droved national class)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gqvGssaYE&hd=1

-24? Bloody hell! I'd have retired and went to the pub.

[Co-driven]

-24? Bloody hell! I'd have retired and went to the pub.

Maybe he did the same! Hahahaha.

[Koceens]

Here is my video from Rally Sweden 2011:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPN0KCPj7U&hd=1

[6789]

^^ You made a fair few stages Great video, that camera man was very lucky when PG crashed

[ELPE]

Anyone who can tell why Henning was out? i know he did a spectacular sidewalk, but the main reason is for me unknown.

One more comment on RS is that I think Kimi did a well respected drive in the rally!

On Motors TV they said there was damage to the roll-cage after his "sidewalk"

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

Hello,
My first post!
Here you can find my photos from Rally Sweden. Enjoy.
http://www.katikisphotography.com/Galleries/2011/Rally-Sweden-2011/15924353_iDMfZ#1194326142_NdYuY
Good photos.
Especially I liked a point, where the left turn with jumping up...

[Salist]

Here are my photos from Rally Sweden:
http://wr-x.com/#/wrc-img/2011-7/rally-sweden-2011-15/

[katikisphotography]

Thanks a lot Andrey.
The point you liked is in stage Likenas II.
Have fun.

[katikisphotography]

Good photos.
Especially I liked a point, where the left turn with jumping up...

Thanks a lot Andrey!
The point that you liked is in stage Likenas II.
Have fun!