WRC mainclass from 2027

[wyler]

i don't get why a tuner would develop a bodywork of his own instead of buying the complete car...
to sell their own car, is it so profitable to sell the bodywork, even under the cost cap?

[Eli]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...c-2027-so-far/

Some more information regarding the matter.

[RS]

i don't get why a tuner would develop a bodywork of his own instead of buying the complete car...
to sell their own car, is it so profitable to sell the bodywork, even under the cost cap?

I suppose the idea is to make it like F1 where a private team can buy the powertrain from a manufacturer but designs the chassis/aero themselves. It will be somewhat more limited in WRC though where the chassis is spec andbthe aero is limited.

[wyler]

I suppose the idea is to make it like F1 where a private team can buy the powertrain from a manufacturer but designs the chassis/aero themselves. It will be somewhat more limited in WRC though where the chassis is spec andbthe aero is limited.

chassis is "provided" by fia, aero is limited, it's really just about bodywork, but i hope will be enough to lure some people in...
(f1 has rewards in money that wrc has not...)

[WRCStan]

"A tuner will have to align with a single manufacturer running a currently homologated car – and don’t forget the manufacturers are obligated to sell their parts."

This should calm down the road connection is dead talks.

Probably not, a bespoke design WRC27 with a Rally2 engine has 1% in common with a production road car. You could have 20 Toyotas in a rally but with * different body shapes.

I'm grateful for the update and more info though, thank you to everybody involved.

[WRCStan]

chassis is "provided" by fia

The design will be, if they built it themselves every car would legally be manufactured by FIA. They might do this but highly unlikely. I'd guess the manufacturers will provide a rolling-chassis as in the drawing here (drawing without powertrain though).

i don't get why a tuner would develop a bodywork of his own instead of buying the complete car...
to sell their own car, is it so profitable to sell the bodywork, even under the cost cap?

I'd also guess a new teams championship goes next to a manufacturers championship like Formula E. Might not even have a complete car available from a manuf who's not entering anything.

[WRCStan]

That's a regularity rally championship that doesn't involve rally cars, different discipline.

Clownish statement. Didn't you want road relevance? That is 100% rally with 100% road relevance as they are driving 100% production road cars 100% within the confines of traffic law. (Supposedly).

As you can see, they're closed and have windscreens, but they're still called buggies by everyone.

Sure, I won't argue with you that because their origin is in the buggies I mentioned via SCORE where they still don't have windscreens and sides and put in the same class as the Audis and Raptors by FIA.

One could suggest that if you want to see buggies (or however you'd like to call them) in WRC, why not just create a new motorsport discipline? You can call it WBC, so one can go watch that and leave the RALLY championships alone, since I would imagine that to run a rally championship you'd need rally cars.

Why not just look to WR2C, rally-raids or Bajas where buggies go rallying? That makes them rally cars! Like a Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a rally car if it goes eco-Rallying!

For the last time, I don't want to see buggies or prototype rally raid cars in WRC. As we've had confirmation now that, according to your definitions, you're going to be seeing BUGGIES in WRC in 2027, and you're making clownish statements, lets move on.

[focus206]

Clownish statement. Didn't you want road relevance? That is 100% rally with 100% road relevance as they are driving 100% production road cars 100% within the confines of traffic law. (Supposedly).

Huh? It's literally a regularity rally with road cars, not a speed rally. Their special stages are about energy consuption and average speed, so it's not a 100% speed rally not matter how you try to spin it.

Why not just look to WR2C, rally-raids or Bajas where buggies go rallying? That makes them rally cars! Like a Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a rally car if it goes eco-Rallying!

For the last time, I don't want to see buggies or prototype rally raid cars in WRC. As we've had confirmation now that, according to your definitions, you're going to be seeing BUGGIES in WRC in 2027, and you're making clownish statements, lets move on.

Sure, as I said I watch buggies when I follow Dakar.
No, buggies in rally-raid are rally-raid vehicles, not rally cars. No, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 that goes eco-rallying is not a rally car.
Your last sentence makes zero sense, maybe you didn't use enough rhetorical questions that you like to use so much. Go tell rally fans that the stock road cars they use in the EcoRally Cup are actual rally cars. See them laughing in your face as if they just spoke with a clown.

[WRCStan]

No, buggies in rally-raid are rally-raid vehicles, not rally cars.

The Audi you said is a buggy is still a car. Check the regs it's built to.

No, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 that goes eco-rallying is not a rally car.

No simpler definition for 'rally car' then a car that goes rallying. This one is in one of the cups classes and published on the admitted list, and the WLTP surrounding the cup is also published. Check the regs.

Huh? It's literally a regularity rally with road cars, not a speed rally. Their special stages are about energy consuption and average speed, so it's not a 100% speed rally not matter how you try to spin it.

For sure I wasn't confused that ecoRally was a speed rally and never said that it was.

[focus206]

The Audi you said is a buggy is still a car. Check the regs it's built to.

It's not based on an available road car, it's not on sale as a road car and cannot be eligible for rally championships. You can call it a car as a broad term. Rest of the world doesn't seem to have a problem to call it a buggy. No, I won't check the regs.

No simpler definition for 'rally car' then a car that goes rallying. This one is in one of the cups classes and published on the admitted list, and the WLTP surrounding the cup is also published. Check the regs.

Absolutely not, it's a different discipline. The Eco Rally Cup was once called Cup for Alternative Energies Vehicles... so according to this logic they weren't rally cars back then, but now they are. Some of its events don't even include the word "Rally" in it. No amount of mental gymnastic you can do can make them rally cars. No, I won't check the regs.
Next you'll tell me that the car that brings a politician to a political rally is a rally car, because there's "rally" in the name.

For sure I wasn't confused that ecoRally was a speed rally and never said that it was.

Never said this, never said that, as usual. Yet you said it's a 100% a rally, as if a regularity rally and a speed rally are the same discipline.
It seems it hasn't dawned on you that this is an international forum. You speak vague and in roundabouts, you use slang, write rhetorical questions. More than once other users have written "I don't know what you mean". Disrespectful, but I'm not surprised about that.